Who Am I?

[lathspell]

Yes, it's you again, Annunfuiniel smilies/biggrin.gif... though you're not right this time :P

Gil-galad has it (but what do you want: playing against an old wise Elven-king) smilies/wink.gif

greetings once again,
lathspell

[Gil-Galad]

My people lived in ours halls for many years
the nearby folk hunt us for game and we began to fall
3 remained till it was understood until the eldest betrayed and was killed by the reletive of the betrayed
who am I?


(thanks for the flattery Lathspell BUT IT SHALL GIVE YOU ONLY DEATH MORTAL FOOL! unless you give me some candy, we elves LOVE candy!, its our prescious)

[ March 17, 2003: Message edited by: Gil-Galad ]

[Lyra Greenleaf]

Was it the petty dwarves, or Mim?

[lathspell]

ahemm, ahemm... I would like to point out to the great Elven lord in our midst that I am not a mortal fool, maybe not that wise after all smilies/wink.gif smilies/tongue.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

[Gil-Galad]

yes lyra it was Mim teh Petty Dwarf who betrayed Turin to his death but Hurin slay Mim

[Lyra Greenleaf]

Befoer you read this I just want to say: I am NOT a poet! Also, it's very easy.

In splendour I lived, in glory I died,
Tilion-bright was once my guide.
In defiance I came, for honour and pride,
For mistrust I left, my victory denied.

[Horse-Maiden of the Shire]

Hm...is it Fingolfin?

[Gil-Galad]

Fingon? or Finrod?

[Horse-Maiden of the Shire]

or maybe its Finarfin?

[Lyra Greenleaf]

The Horse Maiden has it- Fingolfin it is. Guessed on the first go, I'm ashamed of myself!

[Horse-Maiden of the Shire]

Oh no! I'm horribly at these! Oh well, this is going to be terribly easy, I'm afraid. Or will it?...yeah, it probably will.

From scoundrel to soldier
From wild child to warrior
From vexing to valiant
Who am I?

[Eruanna]

Is it Merry?

[The Saucepan Man]

... or Pippin?

[Horse-Maiden of the Shire]

The Saucepan Man has it!

[The Saucepan Man]

Thanks, Horse-Maiden. smilies/smile.gif

The first Eldar
Lines up next to the King of Beasts
Carrying the head of Curufin

I am one of three
Two wait for the King
While I vanquish the Lord
But am myself vanquished.

Who am I?

[ March 25, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

[Horse-Maiden of the Shire]

Glaurung? smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Annunfuiniel]

It must be Ecthelion of the Fountain! smilies/smile.gif
"The first Eldar" part confuses me (does it mean I have to take the first letter 'E'?) but "King of beasts" >> -lion
and -C- is there as "the head of Curufin". So: 'E+C+ the lion'
Ecthelion of the Fountain was one of the three Ecthelions mentioned in Tolkien's writings, the other two were Ruling Stewards, fitting the line "Two wait for the King". And Ecthelion was the one who slew Gothmog, the Lord of balrogs but got mortally wounded and died too. smilies/frown.gif

[ March 26, 2003: Message edited by: Annunfuiniel ]

[The Saucepan Man]

Yet again, Annunfuiniel, you are correct. Well done. smilies/smile.gif

The answer is Ecthelion of the Fountain for the very reasons that you stated (yes, the first of Eldar was supposed to mean 'E').

Next time, I'll have to make it more devious ... smilies/evil.gif

In the meantime, you're up.

[Gil-Galad]

There was another way to get Ecthelion, becasue he killed Glaurnag and then he died right after so he was vanguished

[Annunfuiniel]

*bows* Thank you, Saucepan! smilies/smile.gif But please don't make them any more difficult or I'll loose my sleep pondering them!! smilies/wink.gif

I'm less than the first king
but you have to guess which one
if he loses the head of his land
I am all that is left

My inspiration came from heaven
of it two were born
and the other brought death to many
long after I was gone.

[Manardariel]

Are you Tuor?

[Annunfuiniel]

No, I'm not. smilies/smile.gif

[lathspell]

Earendil??

[The Saucepan Man]

That'll be Eol. smilies/smile.gif

Eorl was the first king of Rohan and, losing the first letter of Rohan, becomes Eol. Of the two great swords that he made, Anglachel certainly brought death to many, including two who wielded it, not to mention Glaurung.

[Annunfuiniel]

Bravo, Saucepan man, you are correct as usual. smilies/smile.gif Uh oh, now you have the chance to bring forth the MOST devious of all your riddles! smilies/eek.gif Well, I'm ready! smilies/biggrin.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, thank you. smilies/smile.gif Devious, eh. Well, I'll try. smilies/evil.gif

Many names was I called
This one by those
Under my command
Not one that I chose

But I'm too hasty
All in a muddle
This unlocks
To answer this puzzle

[Annunfuiniel]

Well isn't it the good o' Sharkey (aka Saruman which name he probably prefers)! smilies/biggrin.gif

"But I'm too hasty
All in a muddle" >> mix up Shar- and you get rash.
"This unlocks" >> -key! smilies/smile.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

Wow, that was quick, Annunfuiniel. So much for devious. smilies/rolleyes.gif

Your turn again ... smilies/smile.gif

[Annunfuiniel]

Oh thank you, Saucepan, I liked that one! smilies/smile.gif
But sorry to inform you that I can't spare any time for these forums at the moment smilies/frown.gif so anyone who's interested can take my turn.

[Gil-Galad]

i guess i will

I fought aganest the betraying one, you know the man of skill, but i was defeated so i headed back to my old kings fortress in the deep and where with help of men, elves and dwarf we suceeded in winning the battle for our allies needed our help since they gave us the land we now stand on

~~OR~~
I have to live with myself, and so
I want to be fit for myself to know
I want to be able as days go by
Always to look myself straight in the eye;
i don't want to stand, with the setting sun
And hate myself for things i have done.
I don't want to keep on a shelf
A lot of secrets about myself
And fool myself, as i come and go
into thinking nobody else will know
the kind of man i really am;
I don't want to dress myself up in sham.
i want to go out with my head erect
i want to deserve all man's respect
And here in the struggle for fame and wealth,
i want to be able to like myself
i don't want to look at myself and know,
that i am a bluffer, an empty show
i can never hide myself from me
i see what others may never see
i know what others may never know

who am I?


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[lathspell]

hmmm... I think Eomer
or Eowyn
dunno which one for sure :s

[Gil-Galad]

nope but your close

[Firondoiel]

Hmmm...is it King Theoden?

[ April 03, 2003: Message edited by: Firondoiel ]

[the real findorfin]

Gamling maybe, or possibly Grima (because of the secrets bit), but he didn't fight in the Battle of the Hornburg.

[Gil-Galad]

i put two tehre so you can choose which either put plz tell me and all you are so close


Hint: in the two poems/proses, they are in the same age! and they fought together!

[ April 04, 2003: Message edited by: Gil-Galad ]

[Gil-Galad]

need another hint?

[Manardariel]

The first one could be Theoden or Eomer, or maybe Hama.
The second one is surely Eowyn, isn´t it? But Faramir also comes to my mind...

[Gil-Galad]

nope, your close on yoru first guess but second one your kinda off

Hint: there both male
Hint: Erect!!!

[ April 05, 2003: Message edited by: Gil-Galad ]

[aragornreborn]

Theoden and Grima?

[Gil-Galad]

some body already sadi Theoden and Grima and i said close but no cigar!

[elven maiden Earwen]

Aragorn for the 2nd?????? smilies/frown.gif

[Beren87]

Theoden or Eomer, or maybe Hama.

Who else was even important in the battle of Helm's Deep (or of Pellanor Fields) that is close to those three?? Those are pretty much the only important Rohirrim I would think. You've really stumped us!

[Tar-Palantir]

Erkenbrand. Don't know about a second one though, maybe Theodred?

[Gil-Galad]

sorry Tar, Earwen got it first so she can go

but you were right Tar with first Erkenbrand, but Earwen did anwser first

[ April 06, 2003: Message edited by: Gil-Galad ]

[elven maiden Earwen]

ok
maiden i am
name means of the sea
had many children but one was female
who is mentioned a lot in frodo's tale
who am I?

[Rochelle]

Hmmm possibly Earwen?

[elven maiden Earwen]

of course i had to do it. your up

[Rochelle]

alrighty here goes...

I have a thirst that will remain unquenched
and although years pass I am still reminded
Only nine remain
yet I am alone

[Beren87]

The Witch-King of Angmar?

[Rochelle]

nope it's not him

[elven maiden Earwen]

sauron, or the one ring

[Rochelle]

Nope, not those either.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Shelob perhaps? Thirsty and lives near the city of the Nine...

[Rochelle]

that's a nice reasoning...but for a hint:

the nine does not refer to what you suspect, and thirst is a metaphor smilies/biggrin.gif

[Gil-Galad]

i am gonna take a super wild guess Melkor?

[Rochelle]

No it isn't Melkor either.

::HINT: This characters appearance is made in the Lord of the Rings as part of the present, not past.::

[aragornreborn]

Frodo?

[Rochelle]

Yes! Frodo it was smilies/biggrin.gif

I have a thirst that will remain unquenched
He will always long for the ring
and although years pass I am still reminded
His wound flares up on it's "birthday"
Only nine remain
Nine fingers
yet I am alone
Sam had Rosie, Merry & Pippin, Aragorn & Arwen, Legolas & Gimli...

[aragornreborn]

All right! I win! Sorry, lol, it's my first time. Well, I'll get right on my question.

[ April 08, 2003: Message edited by: aragornreborn ]

[aragornreborn]

I hope for hope.
I die to live.
Am I young or am I old?
It matters not, for I have found
treasure beyond bound

Well, there you go. Sorry if it's vague. But, as my luck would have it, someone will get it right off.

[alquadae]

quendi?

[aragornreborn]

No.

I have no idea who that even is, and after
looking it over I realize my question is incredibly vague. So, as a hint, the character is from Lord of the Rings. Well, the person could be mentioned in the other tales as well (I'm no expert on them), but the person IS in LOTR.

Oh, and all of those lines should not be taken literally. They may be symbolic or hinting at the truth, of course - poetic license.

My goodness! I just looked over it again. And it is impossible to figure out unless you happen to stumble upon my exact thought process. OK, the character is NOT a minor character in LOTR. That should help narrow the field.

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[elven maiden Earwen]

frodo, Bilbo, or Aragorn???

[Manardariel]

Arwen?

I hope for hope. Hope= Aragorn, aka Estel (elvish for Hope)
I die to live. gave up immortal life, to live a life worth living at Aragorn´s side
Am I young or am I old? you can´t tell because she´s elven
It matters not, for I have found
treasure beyond bound the treasure is love

Or maybe Gandalf???

[aragornreborn]

Oh sure. My first riddle lasted a day. Maybe I shouldn't have given so many hints. Maybe it wasn't as vague as I thought. In any case, Manardariel has it. It was Arwen. And that was a wonderful explanation, too - nearly exactly how I thought of it. Good job.

[lathspell]

Well, I liked that riddle... especially the 'I hope for hope'-part smilies/smile.gif

lathspell

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Yeah, I didn't think it was too vague smilies/smile.gif I rather liked it...

[aragornreborn]

Well, thanks. smilies/smile.gif

[elven maiden Earwen]

Galadriel

[elven maiden Earwen]

or Earendil

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

I don't think the next riddle's been asked yet Earwen...? has it?

[aragornreborn]

Not yet. But those COULD be the right answers... maybe you're clairvoyant? smilies/wink.gif

[elven maiden Earwen]

lathspell knew it wasnt it her turn but she still put a riddle up just to see if we knew it and those were my guesses.

[Manardariel]

Hang on.... is it my turn?? I´m confuddled...
because aragornreborn said In any case, Manardariel has it. It was Arwen. and now you guys are still guessing around... anyways. I´ll post a riddle´, ok?

The made me popular
and pretty
but did they catch my self?
Watcher am I
born with a keen eye
and water is my doom

It´s pretty complex, but I suppose solvable...

[Annunfuiniel]

It´s pretty complex,
Hmm, then I guess the answer won't be what first came in my mind,
that is Legolas! smilies/biggrin.gif Oh well...

[aragornreborn]

I don't have a guess for your riddle, but yes it is your turn, Manardariel. Although I am confused... Lathspell posted a riddle? Sorry, I'll just keep quiet in my corner and see if I can figure this one out... smilies/wink.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

I'd second Annunfuiniel's guess... smilies/wink.gif

[Manardariel]

Oh dear. Oh dear. IT WAS THAT EASY?! smilies/eek.gif
in other words, go ahead Annunfuiniel! smilies/wink.gif

[Annunfuiniel]

Hannon le, Manardariel! smilies/smile.gif

Behold! the man who brought
the legends back to life
but of his deeds
only few Tales tell
'cause the Creator
disowned him
and 'twas his destiny
to be buried in dust.

[lathspell]

Saruman or Sauron??

[elven maiden Earwen]

Feanor?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

The first thing I thought of, and I'm pretty sure I'm on a major sidetrack smilies/wink.gif , was Aelfwine, Tolkien's hero of the Lost Road. the story was never finished and didn't figure significantly into Tolkien's other writings (hence buried in dust), and he was one of the 'heroic' men who could still find the straight path to the West (bringing Legends to life)...

Sophia

[aragornreborn]

Well, if Sophia is right and the creator refers to Tolkien rather than Eru, than perhaps could it be dear, old, mysterious Tom Bombadil? Of course, it wouldn't surprise me if Annunfuiniel picked someone way out of my league like whoever that person was Sophia guessed.

[Annunfuiniel]

Of course, it wouldn't surprise me if Annunfuiniel picked someone way out of my league like whoever that person was Sophia guessed.
smilies/biggrin.gif Guilty as charged!
Yes, it indeed is Aelfwine aka Eriol, "the mariner" or "wayfarer" from the Lost Tales. Sorry it was from such a source only few have read... Well, I haven't finished the books either yet!
So, Sophia... What can I say? *bows in awe* You rule!! smilies/biggrin.gif
Please proceed! smilies/smile.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

*quite surprised, returns Annunfuiniel's bow* Thank you! I thought I was on a bunny trail smilies/biggrin.gif I'll edit in the next question when I think it up smilies/wink.gif

OK... here goes:

A craftsman of renown
I shaped in white
That which calls the dreamers to the deep
I work for one who speaks through sleep
My creation brings despair, delight
it's songs were heard of old

Sophia

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[Tar-Palantir]

Ecthelion?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

no... my that's really cryptic isn't it? I'll try to expand if nobody gets it.

Sophia

[Annunfuiniel]

Celebrimbor? It sort of fits if you choose to believe that he was the one who made the Elendilmir...

[ April 14, 2003: Message edited by: Annunfuiniel ]

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

still no

Sophia smilies/smile.gif

[Manardariel]

I´d go for Feanor

A craftsman of renown- well duh
I shaped in white- Tirion is WHITE
That which calls the dreamers to the deep
I work for one who speaks through sleep- Eru(?)/Manwe speak through dreams
My creation brings despair, delight- The Silmarils brought both
it's songs were heard of old- the Quenta Silmarillion

[lathspell]

My guess will be Salmar, who made the Ulumiri, the Horns of Ulmo.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Nice job Lathspell smilies/biggrin.gif, Salmar it is... although Manardariel makes Feanor work nicely... smilies/wink.gif

Craftsman of renown- remembered for his handiwork
Shaped in white- the Ulumuri were white
That which calls the dreamers to the deep - The horns of Ulmo, the Lord of the Sea
I work for one who speaks through sleep- Ulmo spoke to Turgon and Finrod through dreams
My creation brings despair, delight- those who heard the Ulumuri desired the sea and were haunted by it
Their songs were heard of old- self explanatory.

Your go lathspell!

Sophia

[ April 14, 2003: Message edited by: Sophia the Thunder Mistress ]

[lathspell]

Man of great reknown,
and eldest of them all.
I lived long, but 'unlived' longer,
I nearly became a doll!

Good luck, I hope this will be a better one than I've done yet.

[The Saucepan Man]

The "man of great renown" and "unlived" make me think of the Witch King of Angmar. But he did become a doll, or an action figure at least, didn't he? smilies/wink.gif

[lathspell]

Yeah, he did became like a doll!
Sorry, not the one I was looking for.

[elven maiden Earwen]

Gandalf??

[aragornreborn]

Well, I'm going to guess good old Tom Bombadil again. He's always my standby when I'm not sure. Or, could it be Earendil?

[lathspell]

Sorry to let you waiting. My internet is down so I can only do this when I'm at a friends home.

The right answer is not yet given.
Hint: don't think of unlived as undead.

[Gil-Galad]

Mandos or Glorfindel?

[Lyra Greenleaf]

Treebeard? He's the only 'oldest' I can think of if it's not Tom B. Or what about Durin, or one of the other dwarf fathers?

[Eruanna]

How about Beor? He was supposed to be the oldest man. He was also known as "The Old" and old nearly becomes doll.
smilies/smile.gif smilies/smile.gif

[lathspell]

No, still not heard the right answer. Beor was a good thing though, continue like that and the answer may soon come.
A doll is not meant as doll.

greetings,
lathspell

[Eruanna]

My next guess was going to be Beorn, who was *great* and had the ability to change himself into a bear (Teddy-bear/doll/toy smilies/biggrin.gif ??)

[lathspell]

Sorry, not the one I heard... don't think of the words as that. Try to relate 'un-living' and 'a doll', though not as being undead.

[Annunfuiniel]

Well, the longest-lived of all the Men was Elros Tar-Minyatur, surely a man of great renown...

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Isildur or Anarion? They're certainly renowned, oldest of the Kings of Gondor/Arnor, and as for un-living dolls I'm thinking of the enduring pillars of Argonath, that certainly outlived them.

Sophia

[lathspell]

No, not yet.
Hint: think of old times, very old times.

[aragornreborn]

I don't know... Melkor? Gee, this one's a toughie.

[lathspell]

No, sorry, also not the answer!

[Eruanna]

Manwë?

[Tinuviel87]

This is driving me up a tree... smilies/tongue.gif I don't even want to make a guess cos I'll be completely wrong...every guess i would have made has been used...good job in stumping...EVERYONE lathspell smilies/biggrin.gif (now someone smarter than me PLEASE figure this out for the sake of all humanity!)

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Aldor? nearly becomes a doll(just one letter off...) he lived long (101 years) but there was a longer time after that that he wasn't alive and his descendants ruled Rohan?

Sheesh... I don't think I'm right, but I'm out of ideas smilies/smile.gif Great riddle lathspell, if a little hard smilies/wink.gif

Sophia

[lathspell]

Hehe, thank you for those nice compliments smilies/wink.gif

Sorry, Sophia, Aldor is not the answer I'm hoping to get.
I think it is time to add some lines, here is the whole riddle with the lines.

Man of great reknown,
and eldest of them all.
I lived long, but 'unlived' longer,
I nearly became a doll!
I left a fortune to my heir.
I make things reflect things not quite there!

Hope that helps!
Greetings,
lathspell

[aragornreborn]

Is it Bilbo?

[Annunfuiniel]

Durin the Deathless?

[Eruanna]

Is it Beren?
He was certainly a man of great reknown.
He was of Beor's House (my earlier answer).
He lived for a long time after he returned from the dead and availed himself of magic several times in order to be disguised.
He also left heirlooms to his heirs. smilies/smile.gif

The doll part I can only fit with Dol Baran....which is
nearly Beren smilies/smile.gif

[ April 28, 2003: Message edited by: Eruanna ]

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

I think it's Durin, though that's been guessed already (before this time with Annun). But the description of reflecting things that aren't uite there sounds a whole lot like Mirrormere and its crown of stars.

Sophia

[lathspell]

I'm feeling rather stupid now, for it is indeed Durin the Deathless. I've read over the answer of Lyra Greenleaf the whole time. smilies/eek.gif

My deepest regrets smilies/frown.gif
lathspell

P.S.: Lyra Greenleaf should get the answer after all, i guess.

[Annunfuiniel]

P.S.: Lyra Greenleaf should get the answer after all, i guess.
She most certainly should. smilies/smile.gif I thought that someone had guessed Durin already but with a hasty read-through I didn't notice Lyra's answer either... smilies/rolleyes.gif Sorry about that.

[aragornreborn]

Ummmm. Is there some 10 day thing where if nobody has posted for 10 days anyone can just post a riddle? I don't have one, but I've been missing this thread and was just wondering...

[Beren87]

Yes, there is. smilies/smile.gif

Anyone can now go!

[Gil-Galad]

i'll go


Though deceived i was with the oen who arises in might dominince, i was allowed to re-plead my allegiance and protect the wave of freedom. Who am i?

[The Saucepan Man]

For some reason , the word "wave" makes me think of Boromir. smilies/wink.gif

And it could fit - he was deceived by Sauron's spirit within the One Ring, but redeemed himself in his last stand trying to protect Merry and Pippin.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Osse... it says somewhere (though I can't remember where) that Osse was tempted by Melkor, but returned to Ulmo and afterward was restrained by the influence of his wife, Uinen. He would protect lots of waves methinks. smilies/wink.gif

Sophia

[lathspell]

Sauron? He was corrupted by Melkor and afterwards he had to leave his body for the wave that came to Numenor.

Hmm... I think you are correct, Sophia smilies/wink.gif

[Gil-Galad]

Sophia is correct good job

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Though I was not old I seemed so from my beginning.
I walked beneath the world, forging a path for grey shadowed followers.
But in the end it was the match of either that finished me.

[The Saucepan Man]

Is it Baldor, who ventured down the Paths of the Dead never to return, and whose path was followed many many years later by the Grey Company?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

So it is... *sighs heavily* Cryptic is not my gift.

Sophia

[The Saucepan Man]

Hehe ... another cryptic offering, but quite an easy one, I hope ...

I am a Watcher.
A Prince.
Followed by Billy,
Accompanied by a Page.

Who am I?

[aragornreborn]

OK, I am really bad at interpreting (correctly) cryptic things. But we'll venture a guess. Sam?

[Gil-Galad]

merry becasue he is the heir to Buckland and Pippin was a page to Theoden and Billy there horse followed hi on his journey

[ May 15, 2003: Message edited by: Gil-Galad ]

[The Saucepan Man]

Nope and nope. smilies/evil.gif

[aragornreborn]

Legolas? (That devil smilie is very unnerving!) smilies/tongue.gif

[Manardariel]

Ok, I´d say PIPPIN

I am a Watcher.- He was a guard in Minas Tirith, and they WATCH
A Prince.- not really, but hobbit nobility
Followed by Billy,- either Bill the Pony, or Billy Boyd!
Accompanied by a Page.- Merry, Page to Theoden

Sheesh, it´s been a long time!

EDIT: Ok, aragornerebor, I´m almost sure you´re right! smilies/rolleyes.gif

[ May 15, 2003: Message edited by: Manardariel ]

[The Saucepan Man]

Yes, aragrornreborn is correct - the devil smile is very unnerving.

But the answer is neither Legolas nor Pippin. smilies/evil.gif smilies/evil.gif

[Tinuviel Took]

If we're thinking a member of the fellowship because of the Billy part, then why didn't the rest of you think of Aragorn too? Watcher automaticly make ME think Dunadain.

So you all have very strange minds /jk. Although in truth they are probably not as strange as mine. At least people keep telling me it's strange and I think they are probably right, but who can judge their own thoughts well, and if you can't judge your own thoughts who can?

[The Saucepan Man]

No, not Aragorn. Nor, indeed, any member of the Fellowship.

[lathspell]

Saruman of many colours!

[The Saucepan Man]

No, not Saruman.

The first line is a clue to the character. The next three comprise a pretty straightforward cryptic clue.

[aragornreborn]

Bard? (that is his name right? The person I'm thinking of. Sorry, it's late) Perhaps? Maybe?

a pretty straightforward cryptic clue.

Say that with a straight face.

[Tar-Palantir]

What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket anyway?

Are you a stoned troll? smilies/biggrin.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

No, neither Bard nor a Troll (intoxicated or otherwise) am I. smilies/wink.gif

Think of an alternative to Prince Billypage ...

[ May 20, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

[Leona]

Wild guess, that is probably wrong, but what about Glorfindel? After all he was at least an elvish lord, and he often watched the roads leading to Rivendale. I don't know about a Billy, but I do know he often traveled with a page to send his messages quickly. smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Harry Goatleaf! smilies/biggrin.gif

He was the gatekeeper in Bree, hence WATCHER.

A famous PRINCE is Harry, although William gets more pics in swoon magazines *gag*.

Goat is the only thing that is regularly paired with BILLY that I can think of,

and a leaf in a book is a synonym for PAGE.

That was a pretty straightforward cryptic clue, Saucy, once I thought of it right smilies/wink.gif.

Sophia

[The Saucepan Man]

You are correct in every detail, Sophia. smilies/smile.gif Please proceed.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Alright, here goes:

I chose my own destruction. Alas, my namesake would have served me better.

Sophia

[The Saucepan Man]

Are you Denethor, Steward of Gondor, who chose self-immolation, whereas his namesake, Denethor of Ossiriand, met a far more valiant end?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Nope smilies/smile.gif.

[Leona]

Total guess:

Sauronman

I don't know about the namesake though, so I'm pretty sure I'm wrong, but I just had to try. smilies/smile.gif

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

Er, just wondering: is "Sauronman" supposed to be Sauron or Saruman? smilies/wink.gif

~Menelien

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

LOL! Well, since I'm neither Sauron nor Saruman, I suppose it doesn't matter.

Sophia

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

*bump* Takers? smilies/frown.gif

[lathspell]

Is it Melkor?

He chose his own destruction already during the Music of the Ainur.
His name means 'He Who Arises In Might', so that would serve him better.

[Arestevana]

I'm going to say Gelmir of Angrod.
He went to Nargothrond with Arminas to warn Orodreth of "a great mustering of orcs and evil creatures". Turin spoke against him and Nargothrond was taken. The other Gelmir lived IN Nargothrond and was killed to provoke the defenders of Eithel Sirion. The stunt was very effective. Much more so than the warnings of the first Gelmir. thus... Alas, my namesake would have served me better though that's not really a namesake. smilies/frown.gif I tried.

[Finwe]

Turin Turambar chose his own destruction by not going after Finduilas, and Turin I of Gondor's reign was very peaceful, which would have served Turambar much better.

[Arestevana]

smilies/rolleyes.gif Ah, Finwe, you beat me to it. I just pulled out my copy of the Silm and was going to edit that in. Though mine was more along the lines of Turin under the name Mormegil, falling on his sword.....I imagine that you are correct, which is for the best as I could never have thought up another Who Am I? to post. smilies/biggrin.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Nobody's gotten it right yet. Tell me when a clue is necessary.

Sophia

[Finwe]

I think we need a clue right now! At least tell us in what age he/she lived. That would probably help a great deal.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

No, I have a rather different clue in mind. The namesake referred to is an object.

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

Is this person in LotR? Could it be Lotho? Unsure of how that would work, but hey, I'm trying smilies/wink.gif

~Menelien

[Finwe]

All right, so this person chose his/her own destruction (not death) and his/her namesake was an object that could have helped them.

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

Arwen? For the Evenstar?

Hopefully,
~Menelien

[Ultimatejoe]

Helped who? Is it Beleg Strongbow?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

It is indeed Ultimate Joe.

I chose my own destruction- Melian offered Beleg his choice of weapons when he left to seek for Turin. Beleg chose Anglachel, which eventually was the sword that slew him.

My namesake would have served me better.- His surname is Cuthalion, the Strong Bow... perhaps a better choice of weapon.

Sophia

[lathspell]

Nice riddle that was! smilies/smile.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

*bump* Ultimate Joe?!

[The Barrow-Wight]

This thread has grown to long. Start a new one if the game is to continue.

Thanks.

[Manardariel]

It´s been 10 days...here´s a new riddle:

Loved by The Master
killed by The Father
buried in The Hill
daughter of The Second
who am I?

[Manardariel]

No one??? I´m offended! smilies/frown.gif smilies/tongue.gif

[Orofaniel]

No one?? I'm offended!

Don't be.... smilies/frown.gif

I need a clue!!! smilies/biggrin.gif

Orofâniel

[Manardariel]

Awww, and it was such a nice riddle... smilies/frown.gif

I am female. smilies/evil.gif

EDIT: no, moron. That was in the riddle. Ok...I have a namesake

[ June 11, 2003: Message edited by: Manardariel ]

[Orofaniel]

Éowyn??

[Finwe]

Finduilas?

[Horse-Maiden of the Shire]

Haleth?

[Manardariel]

*bows* All yours, Finwe! Good one! smilies/smile.gif

[Arestevana]

I'm confused! smilies/frown.gif Would one of you explain your reasoning?

[Manardariel]

Sure!

Loved by The Master- Master of Doom, that´s Turin
killed by The Father- of Dragons, that´s Glaurung, he destroyed Nargothrond and killed Finduilas
buried in The Hill- Haudh-en-Arwen, a hill, that´s her grave
daughter of The Second- her fathr is Orodeth, second in the line of Finarfin

I liked it! smilies/evil.gif

[Arestevana]

Ah-hah. I was thinking only that she had been killed by the orcs who captured her. I'll try to remember to look at other connections next time. Btw, wasn't she buried in the haudh-en Elleth? The Haudh-en-Arwen was the burial place of Haleth, I believe. It was an excellent riddle, though.
smilies/biggrin.gif

[ June 15, 2003: Message edited by: Arestevana ]

[Manardariel]

Hey Finwe, wassup? You still there?!

[Manardariel]

Ok, it´s been 10 days- new riddle.

Survived a strife
I am a wife
a star is in my hand
Who am I?

[Arwen Imladris]

Survived a strife: The kin-strife?

Elestirnë? That sounds the best, it means 'star-brow'.

[Gil-Galad]

Maybe Galadriel? she had the phial of it and is married to celeborn and survived the strife of the Noldor

[Manardariel]

Gil- Galad, you are CORRECT! Though I neant Nenya, not the phial..... smilies/tongue.gif

[Gil-Galad]

well thanks

Of North i came, friend of south i am, enemy of stunted i also became for i slew the terror and claimed an unrightful treasure

who am i?

i have a feelign its too easy...

[Manardariel]

Beren? If you say Lúthien is the treasure....

[Arestevana]

My guess is from The Hobbit:
Perhaps Bard? Stunted meaning Dwarves, of course, as they felt the dragon's treasure to be entirely theirs, thus making any other claim false. Then of course there was the Arkenstone, which was, in a sense, stolen.

[The Saucepan Man]

I would say Fram, who slew the dragon Scatha, inherited his treasure which was largely Dwarvish in origin, and was promptly killed by the Dwarves for his trouble.

[Gil-Galad]

The Saucepan man is correct as usual please do continue...

[The Saucepan Man]

Thank you, Gil-Galad. smilies/smile.gif

I ruled for a time
In the place of a king
And made up lost time
By his reckoning

[Nuranar]

Mardil?

By the way, my dear fellow, is that a portrait of the famed Johnny Appleseed I see as your avatar?

[The Saucepan Man]

You are correct, Nuranar. smilies/smile.gif It is indeed Mardil Voronwe, who ruled Gondor as Steward in the King's stead. He "made up lost time" by adjusting the King's Reckoning, the calendar of Numenor.

... is that a portrait of the famed Johnny Appleseed I see as your avatar?

Actually, it's a self-portrait. smilies/wink.gif

[Gil-Galad]

lol didn't see mine i thought it didn't work, well too explain my Avatar, its Bush saying that Bin Laden has won soem money and he is tryign too lure him out, i'll fidn a better one

[ June 24, 2003: Message edited by: Gil-Galad ]

[Nuranar]

Aha, I haven't totally lost my touch. Although your riddles have me pulling out my hair.

Flee from the foreshortened warrior
And his dim companion!
Misleading in name,
But unerring in path.

So, is this obscure enough? smilies/evil.gif

[ June 26, 2003: Message edited by: Nuranar ]

[aragornreborn]

I'm going to guess Sam.

[Manardariel]

Misleading in name.....Turin?

[Nuranar]

No, both wrong.

Misleading in name...think full name/title/anything known by.

And the first two lines are a cryptic clue.

[Lily Bombadil]

Nuranar, is it Pippin?

Forshortened- He's a hobbit.

Dim Companion- Merry was a little woozy during his Uruk-hai captivity period.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Flee from the foreshortened warrior
And his dim companion!
Misleading in name,
But unerring in path.

Yeesh. I was really thinking that it was Sam. You know, as Samwise the Strong being the 'warrior' and the name being misleading, for both 'strong' and 'wise', and his dim companion being Frodo while he was fading... but you said it wasn't...

Is it Legolas as the foreshortened warrior giving the illusion of depth? And Gimli being his dim companion?

I'm lost. I'll keep thinking on this

Fea

[Nuranar]

Good guess, Lily, but not what I was thinking.

I should clarify that the first two lines provide a cryptic clue to something very closely concerned with the person in question. They are not a clue to the person him/her/itself.

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

May I guess Frodo? Misleading in name, as he was a Baggins, and unerring in his successful path to Mount Doom. Perhaps the dim companion was... er actually I don't have much idea what it could be but the last two lines might point to him.

[Nuranar]

Good guess, but not right either.

Hint: This Who Am I is not by any means a major character!

[ July 08, 2003: Message edited by: Nuranar ]

[Gil-Galad]

i have a feelign its Mim the petty dwarf becasue Turin thought he was "petty" but was betrayed by Mim

[Nuranar]

Sounds good, Gil-galad, excellent reasoning. But it's not what I had in mind.

The first 2 lines are a cryptic clue to a thing, not to a person.

The last 2 lines are the Who Am I itself.

[Orofaniel]

OKey, this may sound stupid, but I'm going to try anyway... smilies/frown.gif

Gollum?

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

If you hadn't said that it wasn't a major character, I'd guess at Sauron. Misleading in name, as Annatar, the Ring as the 'dim companion' -- but of course if it isn't major, then it couldn't be him.

I'll carry on thinking.

[ July 09, 2003: Message edited by: Gwaihir the Windlord ]

[Gil-Galad]

I GOT IT

is it Gandalf becasue his elven ring he never showed and he was the one that brought together all of man aganest Sauron

foreshortened warrior- gandalf was thought as a old man or begger by the Rohirrim
dim companion- his elven ring was never revealed entirely
misleading in name- Gandalf the Grey, old man
unearring in path- did many things too change the fate of Middle Earth, liek kill Balrog and then he returned

[Nuranar]

No, no, and no. Excellent, excellent work, Gil-galad. But, like I have already said,

It is NOT a major character in any sense of the word.

The first 2 lines are a CRYPTIC clue to a THING, NOT to the person.

Only the last 2 lines correspond to the person.

Flee from the foreshortened warrior
And his dim companion!
Misleading in name,
But unerring in path.

[elven maiden Earwen]

Is it Bilbo?

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Surely Bilbo is a main character in some sense of the word or other.

My latest guess is Halbarad.
Flee from the foreshortened warrior -- the banner, that struck fear ino the hearts of the host of Sauron on the Pellenor
Dim companion -- the banner he hid and did not unfurl
Misleading in name -- Aragorn and Theoden's company expecting enemies, but surprised at 'Halbarad of the Dunedain'
Unnerring in path -- obviously, on the Paths of the Dead he was stouthearted.

[Nuranar]

Gwaihir, your persistence surprises even me! smilies/biggrin.gif Seriously, you are an excellent guesser, except you haven't hit the right one yet. I knew this one was too vague!

Your interpretation of the first two lines is on the right track, as far as not assuming they mean the actual person.

But by CRYPTIC I mean another NAME is hidden in those two lines. You need to put together some words that come from those two lines. And by the way, "foreshortened" (at least for the purposes of this question) means effectively "cut off at the front end."

Savvy?

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

*grumble* I had a lot of hope for that guess, it was a good one.

Hmm... cryptic... I don't do crosswords, so I was evidently under a false impression that 'cryptic' meant that you were saying something in a riddle-like fashion. So its words you want me to figure with.... God this is a tough one.

I'm not going to hazard another guess today (although I'll try again tomorrow), but if I could have a couple of small clues: is the word 'flee' of any significance, for a start? Secondly, is there any connection here at all with the Battle of the Pellenor?

You don't have to answer both if you choose not to, of course.

[Nuranar]

I'm sorry about that guess, too - I agree, it was a good one.

As for your questions, (1) "flee" is not part of the crypticness, but the person does it from the name that is hidden; and (2) it has nothing to do with Pellenor Fields.

BONUS CLUE: This person is found in (and only in, I believe) the Silmarilion.

Here it is again, in case you haven't memorized it:

Flee from the foreshortened warrior
And his dim companion!
Misleading in name,
But unerring in path.

[The Saucepan Man]

Flee from the foreshortened warrior
And his dim companion!

All I can think of is Nightshade - "night" being a foreshortened "knight" and "shade" being something tht is dim.

But I can't think of any Nightshades in the Silmarillion, let alone anyone who fled from them. Is there perhaps an Elvish name meaning "Nightshade"? smilies/confused.gif

[Nuranar]

Since my brother has lately loaned his copy of the Silmarillion (the only one in the household) to a friend at work, I cannot now look up the precise phrasing.

But "Nightshade" is certainly correct! WHOOP!

I can only say, Read very carefully. And don't try translating anything. My riddle may be vague, but it's not going to pull a stunt like that on you. smilies/wink.gif

Bon chance!

[piosenniel]

Does 'nightshade' refer to Taur-nu-Fuin (Forest under Nightshade) in Dorthonion?

Is this Beleg, by any chance?

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Yes, Taur-nu-Fuin is it I think. Well done Saucepans. Now for the character themselves.

Beren and Beleg both present themselves in the path unneringness department, but they are both major characters and at any rate are not 'misleading'. I'm going to guess at Emeldir, the Manhearted, wife of Barahir. She is only mentioned in the Sil, and she fled from Dorthonion (one of your clues, if you'll remember). She was not a major character, she did not err in her path to Brethil. How she was misleading I do not know. Damn that... perhaps as she was called Man-hearted, but in fact, her heart was female-sized and contained X chromosomatic genes as in reality as she was female?? Or that she led females? She was certainly brave and stouthearted, so it couldn't be that...

[Nuranar]

Aha, Gwaihir, but Emeldir it is indeed! Correct on all counts...

I admit that the "misleading in name" line wasn't the best...I don't do well under pressure, and I composed that one in an Internet cafe with my time quickly running out.

And thank you for guessing! Now, let's see what you can do...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Pha! (My new not-quite obscenity of the day.)

I was just getting ready to guess Maedhros when I kept reading... you know, the clues do add up for him a little too:

foreshortened: missing hand

misleading in name: considered the leader of the brothers

unerring in path: he did recover a silmaril... sort of...

But I guess not. Bring on the new riddle for me to dwell on and get moody because of!

Fea

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

How immensely satisfying. I must admit, I do feel I rather deserved that one smilies/tongue.gif.

EDIT: Of course, I couldn't have managed it without the assistance of Saucepan. smilies/smile.gif

Ok, for the next.

I travelled long, and never far
From reminders of my great despair.
I could not leave them, deeply scarred
Works I devised, and left them there.

Actually, this one probably isn't too bad. See how you go.

[ July 16, 2003: Message edited by: Gwaihir the Windlord ]

[Meneltarmacil]

OK, I'm terrible at this... but here goes!

Eru/Iluvatar?

He created the world, but Morgoth caused it to be "scarred" and he left it that way?

[ July 17, 2003: Message edited by: Meneltarmacil ]

[Gil-Galad]

could it be Aule with the dwarves becaseu he buried them under neath moutnains and left them there?

[Gil-Galad]

could it be Aule with the dwarves becaseu he buried them under neath moutnains and left them there? and they were his childeren but Illuvatar wanted the elves too be the first born

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

The answer is neither Illuvitar nor Aule. Nice try.

[Gil-Galad]

Eol the dark elf for some reason i think it is him, or MAeglin

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Gil-galad, you need to state your reasons along with your guesses.

[Gil-Galad]

well Eol created many items with the skills of the dwarves but when Maeglin and his wife left and he left them there and was despaired. he did a long journey but was never far from his kindred the elves?

[Lyta_Underhill]

Hi, all! This is my first post in this forum, so go easy on me!

Is it Morgoth? He was always in despair because of his jealousy of the Elves and Iluvator's powers of creation, etc. so he created deeply scarred works, i.e. orcs, and other fell creatures, and he left them in the deep and wild places of ME when he was taken.

Cheers,
Lyta

[Luthien_ Tinuviel]

I'm thinking Feanor, because:

I travelled long, and never far
From reminders of my great despair.- Feanor travelled from Middle-Earth to Valinor, but the Doom of the Noldor and the Fate of the Silmarils followed him everywhere.

I could not leave them, deeply scarred
Works I devised, and left them there.-Feanor could not leave his Silmarils in the hands of Morgoth, and he was deeply scarred by the death of his father and his Oath. He devised many cunning things, but left them all in Valinor in order to pursue his masterwork: The Silmarils.

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Aaahh... I almost gave this one to you, Luthien, simply because your answer fits so well with the riddle... but no -- that's not what I'm looking for, sorry. Eol is not the answer either, nice try Gil-Galad. At this rate though, I'm sure someone will guess correctly before long. The answer is fairly straightforward.

[Osse]

I travelled long, and never far
From reminders of my great despair.
I could not leave them, deeply scarred
Works I devised, and left them there.

Is it Yavanna? Her greatest works were Telperion and Laurelin. Ungoliant poisoned them, but she left their dead masses upon the mound in reverence. She could never escape the memory of her greatest works destroyed no matter how far she travelled or how long she wept.

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Afraid not. 'Travelling' is used in the straighforward sense. It's a fairly straightforward riddle actually (not especially cryptic).

[Osse]

Clues gwaihir clues!

[Lyta_Underhill]

Point of clarification: is it
I could not leave them,
Deeply scarred works I devised,
And left them there.

or
I could not leave them, deeply scarred;
Works I devised, and left them there

difference in grouping makes me think of different things.
Thanks!
Lyta

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Clarifications and clues, right. Haven't dropped by here for a couple of days, my apologies (I posted in the Books on Friday, but you know how it is, I didn't have time for in here as well...)

'deeply scarred' refers to the subject of the riddle, Lyta. 'I could not leave them' refers to the 'reminders of my great despair', to take the clarifiaction a step further.

Hmmm, a clue now... ok since I thought this riddle would be easy and it obviously isn't (perhaps I should look at my questions from the answerer's point of view, I seem to make a habit of thinking this smilies/smile.gif), I will give you a fairly-helpful clue that still doesn't give it away: the 'great despair' that the subject is reminded of is something that was lost to the subject. I may as well also tell you that he was male. (This should be a significant assistance. smilies/wink.gif)

I travelled long, and never far
From reminders of my great despair.
I could not leave them, deeply scarred
Works I devised, and left them there.

[Osse]

This would probably give it away, but can you tell us if it's someone from the Silmarillion?

[Osse]

Is it Beren? He lost his hand...that would make him deeply scarred, you can't walk away from not having a hand, and no matter where you go you are always reminded of it.

Just a rough guess but it fits and i am trying not to "think too cryptically."
( i know my reasoning isn't very comprehensive, but i am half asleep!)
Osse

[ July 27, 2003: Message edited by: Osse ]

[Osse]

NO it's not beren... is it Maedhros?

He also lost a hand... so he's deeply scarred, his great despair was that he
almost recovered a Silmaril... he left most of the works he devised... it all fits, is it Maedhros?

Osse

[ July 27, 2003: Message edited by: Osse ]

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I travelled long, and never far
From reminders of my great despair.
I could not leave them, deeply scarred
Works I devised, and left them there.

Oookay... This one is on the edge of my mind, just out of my reach. So I'm going to try to break it down, just so you wonderful people can tell me if I'm going about it the right way.

If we follow the punctuation, it reads like this:

I traveled long
And never far from reminders of my great despair
I could not leave them
Deeply scarred works I devised
And left them there.

I traveled long

Our (and we've been told male) subject is a traveler.

And never far from reminders of my great despair
I could not leave them

So he was incapable of leaving behind the things (or people, or whatever, but we know it's plural) that reminded him of his 'great despair'.

Deeply scarred works I devised

So we know that whatever his creations are, they were somehow screwed up.

And left them there

This part I don't get. Is it that he left them there (as in he went somewhere else without them), or did he leave them there (as in he died and left them)? Sheesh. Now I've just confused myself. Tell me if my thoughts are working the right way!

Fea

[ July 28, 2003: Message edited by: Feanor of the Peredhil ]

[Gil-Galad]

well i doubt i am right but Ungoliant? she left many spiders behind and she died in the dessert because she kept travlling for food, and her spiders were dimishing and not liek normal spiders

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I traveled long, and never far
From reminders of my great dispair
I could not leave them, deeply scarred
Works I devised, and left them there.

Is it perchance Gandalf?

I traveled long

rather self explanitory

never far
From reminders of my great dispair

His great dispair being Sauron and reminders being everywhere, not in the least the Elven ring that he carried.

I could not leave them

He was obligated to stay and help the free peoples of Middle Earth.

deeply scarred

Duh.

Works I devised

Once again, self explanitory.

and left them there

When he finished his 'job', Gandalf left M.E.

Fea

[Orofaniel]

It must be Gandalf, finally something I (think) I know and I'm to late!!!!!! smilies/frown.gif

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

It gives me immense satisfaction to say that all these answers are incorrect. :P Actually, you seem to have mentioned everyone that it isn't; I can't give it to anyone though, as I didn't in the first place.

Yes, Osse, it's from the Silmarillion.

Hmmm, people don't seem to be interpreting the thing properly... try and sort of chant the song, perhaps. What I mean by 'deeply scarred' is that the subject of the riddle is scarred, not the 'works' that he left behind.

As to the Gandalf guesses -- the 'great despair' doesn't fit this. The 'despair' of the subject of this riddle was a particularly damaging thing to him personally, although it was also to everyone.

Ok, keep on at it, I'm sure we're close. Sorry if it's rather a nasty one. smilies/smile.gif

I travelled long, and never far
From reminders of my great despair.
I could not leave them, deeply scarred
Works I devised, and left them there.

[Osse]

Nah i like em this way!
You can really sink your teeth into em, it just goes to prove that no-one thinks exactly alike!

[ July 29, 2003: Message edited by: Osse ]

[Orofaniel]

It wans't Gandalf??? I'm shocked!!

smilies/eek.gif smilies/eek.gif smilies/eek.gif smilies/eek.gif
*reads trough the Silm, cannot come up with the person*

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Yeesh. I guess that counts me out of the running for this riddle, since I haven't finished the Silm (I keep having to return it before I can finish. I just finished reading Of Maeglin and I had to return it again!) I really thought I had it too... I even created another riddle. I guess it must wait... *sigh*. Cheers

Fea

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Is it Ulmo? He traveled far, but water always was in some way connected to the work of the enemy. He also helped by giving certain heros quests to perform, and was a big fan of elf/human sympathizing.

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

smilies/smile.gif

Nope, not Ulmo either. (In fact, water was of all things the least touched by Melkor, if I recall it correctly.)

Even if it wasn't, and water had been rather influenced by Melkor's power, still it would not have been Ulmo's 'despair'. Neither was Sauron in any way Gandalf's despair. The 'despair' of the man we are after actually caused him to despair, as it broke him.

[Lyta_Underhill]

Is is Hurin?

I travelled long, and never far
From reminders of my great despair.

He was allowed to go free and wander Beleriand at will, but all shunned him because of his manner of leaving from Thangorodrim and the thoughts that he had succumbed to Morgoth, thus he despaired.

I could not leave them (he returned to find Turgon in Gondolin)
deeply scarred
(in despair after his long captivity)
Works I devised, and left them there.
(He raised a gravestone for Morwen his wife outside Gondolin and left for Nargothrond to confront Mim the Petty Dwarf.)

Cheers,
Lyta

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

That is the right way to think. However, no, Hurin isn't what I am looking for (pretty good answer though).

Some advice: for the 'never far from reminders of my great despair one, try to think of someone who wondered accross scenes that all contained one common thing (these are the 'reminders')

I travelled long, and never far
From reminders of my great despair.
I could not leave them, deeply scarred
Works I devised, and left them there.


[ August 01, 2003: Message edited by: Gwaihir the Windlord ]