Who Am I?

[Osse]

I am asuming that because Hurin was incorrect, Turin is too? The same justification goes behind it being him as for his father (Hurin).
The only line that does not fit is;
"From reminders of my great despair"
I can't think of anything that reminded him of his great despair, i might find something but i'd have to re-read the entire chapter; "Of Turin Turambur"

It isn't a good guess, but it fits roughly and i just wanted to make sure it wasn't him so i can cross another candidate of my list. (which is still too long!)

Osse

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Your assumption is correct.

If you've got a list, by the way, you may as well just say all the names on it as soon as you can so we can get moving on...

[Turambar]

Daeron?

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

No, but that's perhaps the closest yet in terms of a certain similarity. (Remember that you have to explain your answers....)

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Hmmm... I'm going to have to stop doing this smilies/smile.gif. Someone answer this and I'll promise the next one will be easy.

For the (hopefully) final clue, X-Man is a Noldo.

I travelled long, and never far
From reminders of my great despair.
I could not leave them, deeply scarred
Works I devised, and left them there.

[Luthien_ Tinuviel]

I think it's Maglor.

I travelled long, and never far
From reminders of my great despair.-reminders of the silmarils and the Oath of Feanor that he took.
I could not leave them, deeply scarred
Works I devised, and left them there.-He was deeply scarred, literally and figuratively, because he almost repented the Oath but didn't in the end, and when he recovered the Silmarils with Maedhros, they burned his hands. Not sure about the works, except that he had to leave his lands during the Dagor Bragollach, so that's something he left.

As for the similarities to Daeron, Maglor was also a musician and a wanderer.

[ August 13, 2003: Message edited by: Luthien_ Tinuviel ]

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

*exasperated laugh*.... you got it, but it wasn't a very good job was it? smilies/smile.gif Nothing more than a guess... Well, it was Maglor, but I'd better explain the riddle a little better.

I travelled long, and never far
From reminders of my great despair.-- The Sea, into which he had cast his Silmaril. He wandered along the coast for many years in lament for the loss of the Silmaril into it.
I could not leave them, deeply scarred
Works I devised, and left them there. -- The 'works' were the songs that he sang in lament for the Silmaril, and since no-one heard them but the sea and the wind they were 'left there' and were not known by anyone else. Deeply scarred, of course, because of the Oath; bound to the Sea because of his misery about the Silmaril affair.

So, that's it. Had to explain just about the whole riddle for that guess, but I'm glad it's finally over. Your turn, Luthien.

[Luthien_ Tinuviel]

Brave heart he said,
And none more than his own,
Who was rewarded in his crime,
And having risked all was given a new home.

It took me a while to come up with a good one. I don't know how hard that's going to be. And I know the meter's not perfect- I'm not that good at rhyming, but I think it's okay. smilies/smile.gif

[Turambar]

Beregond called Faramir "brave heart", and himself showed great bravery in leaving his post and defending his captain against Denethor's servants, though this was technically a "crime". I believe he ws later rewarded by Aragorn by being sent to Ithilien.

[ August 15, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ]

[Luthien_ Tinuviel]

Well that was quick... Yes, indeed it is Beregond. You may continue with a question of your own to stump and confuse us. smilies/smile.gif

[Turambar]

The last of the first (three),
I became the first of the last.

[ August 27, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ]

[Gil-Galad]

Gandalf? he recevied the elven ring last, then he was the first one to know where the one ring was

[Turambar]

No.

One word in the clue is an Elvish pun (i.e. an English translation of an Elvish word that will help you).

[Cathelm]

Could it be Elwe/Thingol?

He was the leader of the first three companies of Quendi that followed the Valar into the west, and then became the first of the last Eldar in Middle Earth.

[Turambar]

Elwë is correct -- last (named) of the elvish ambassadors, but "first" of the Teleri (elvish for last).

Your turn.

[Cathelm]

Thanks, Turambar! Hope this next one isn't all too difficult.

My new love lay on the grave of my old love
I cried out her name, not knowing what it was
A swinging pendulum could do no worse to my life.

Have at it!

[Arestevana]

Is it Turin Turambar?

[Cathelm]

Turin Turambar it is!

[Arestevana]

Sorry for the delay, I hope this isn't too easy or too terrible. Here you are:

Find me at the start
In excess of questioned time.
Or in the initial note
Of a current rhyme.

Many were the tears
Of grief that filled my eyes
Reminded by my aching heart
When love ended in lies
Everlasting as the rain that falls
Now from the clouded skies.

In the shadow of my loss
The echo of my cry
My shattered heart would stop.
Who am I?

[Evisse the Blue]

Miriel?

[Arestevana]

Nope. Good guess though.

[Arestevana]

No more takers?

A hint:
The first paragraph: Two lines form a cryptic clue toward the person's name, and two give instructions on solving the second paragraph.
Second Paragraph: A clue toward the person's name, revealed by directions in the first paragraph.
Third Paragraph: Clue toward the person themself. This paragraph should be taken quite literally.

[ September 11, 2003: Message edited by: Arestevana ]

[Evisse the Blue]

Aredhel?
I can't shake the conviction that it must be a woman.

[Cathelm]

I've got the same feeling as Evisse.
Best I can think of is Niniel, the Tear-Maiden

[Arestevana]

No and No.
The best hint I can give is what I said before: The person's name is actually in the question. And yes, it is a woman.

[Airerûthiel]

I would say Aragorn but as it's not a major character...I'm stumped.

I'll take a wild guess at Beren (although I have no idea where that came from).

[Evisse the Blue]

My last guess on this would be Arwen. (heart - when).

[The Saucepan Man]

It's staring you in the face, folks. smilies/tongue.gif

Great clue, by the way, Arestevana. You should join us more often in the Cryptic Clue thread. smilies/smile.gif

[Arestevana]

Airerûthiel: I think you're reading the first page. smilies/frown.gif
No, it is not Arwen.
Saucepan: Congratulations, would you like to go now? smilies/wink.gif
Somehow I think all the other cryptic people are already on Cryptic Clues, seeing as how no one's getting this one and I can never figure one out over there. smilies/biggrin.gif

[Evisse the Blue]

I'm officially the stupidest person on these boards because I still don't get it!
smilies/frown.gif Is it Nienna?
Mr Saucepan, sir, please don't leave us humble ones in the dark and tell us who the person is!

[Arestevana]

*sighs* Not Nienna.
Okay: The person's name is actually spelt out in the second paragraph. The last two lines of the first paragraph will show you where.

[ September 14, 2003: Message edited by: Arestevana ]

[Cathelm]

I see it! I see it! Cheese, you weren't lying when you said it was staring us in the face...
It's Morwen, folks!!!

[Evisse the Blue]

Ai! ::hits head on keyboard:: ::and again:: ::and again::
"in excess of questioned time" - more; + when
-->Morwen of course! - "absurdly simple like most riddles when you see the answer". smilies/tongue.gif
Who am I kidding, I never would have got it; congratulations, Catehelm!

[Cathelm]

Actually, I got it by looking at the first letters in the second paragraph thing. I wouldn't have been able to get it your way, Evisse, so good for you! I don't have anything ready, so I'll just think on it until Arestevana confirms my answer.

[Arestevana]

And confirm it I will. Please continue, Cathelm!

[Cathelm]

Thankee much, Arestevana! This is probably waaaay too easy for you folks, but we shall see.

A namesake of precious metals,
He lived in the city, among the petals.
But before long peace met its horror,
They packed their bags and went to war.
But victory they could not defend,
He met the stunted father's end.
A reincarnation of himself,
I ask of you: Who is this elf?

[Evisse the Blue]

Is it Glorfindel?

[Cathelm]

*sigh* I knew it was easy... I will think of a better one next time. Your turn Evisse.

[Evisse the Blue]

I am a firstborn flower in the sun,
I tend to ages past and look to ages come.
A guardian am I,
and a fair one too.
All that do see me, love me,
so would you. smilies/smile.gif

who am I? smilies/smile.gif

[Mithisilien]

Galadriel?

[Arestevana]

Elanor?

[maikafanawen]

Yavanna?

[Evisse the Blue]

Arestevana, the floor is yours again smilies/smile.gif

[Arestevana]

Thanks.
This is a little odd, but:

Missing just two of them, I am strong in health, but nameless.

[Arestevana]

smilies/eek.gif No guesses?

[Finwe]

Maglor?

[Gil-Galad]

Maedhros?

[Arestevana]

smilies/frown.gif Is it that bad? Sorry, not even close.

[Gil-Galad]

gandalf? i hosnesty don't knwo maybe yo ushoudl give more hints

[Arestevana]

smilies/rolleyes.gif Okay. It is entirely cryptic. There are no intentional clues toward the person themselves, only toward their name. You are only working with words and letters, not with LotR characters or anything. The biggest hint: Find a word that fits the definition. This is part of the name.

[Arestevana]

No one? HINT: Think of a word that means 'strong in Health'

[Turambar]

Haleth ?

[Arestevana]

Haleth it is! smilies/biggrin.gif

[Gil-Galad]

yay new quiz!

this'll be easy one

When the north failed, the victor was unguarded
When the south won, the victor was unguarded
When the king died, the victor was unguarded
When south came too north, the victor, which was unguarded, was slaguhtered and the south victor won teh crown, yet the true north, says the there linage is of kings and asks for the crown, they denied and the victor of south became king

Who is the Victor of South?

[Fyara]

the north?

[NightKnight]

Eärnil II.

[Gil-Galad]

Sure! why not! your right! i think! go anyway!

[NightKnight]

Sun-lover unsteady,
his steering was ready.

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Tilion, the moon-steersman?

[NightKnight]

Indeed it is! Continue...

[Gil-Galad]

*bump*

[Gil-Galad]

new question!


I held the banner that did not show
I died in lands i did not know
I passed through mountains, went very low

who am I?

[Arestevana]

Are you Halbarad?

[Gil-Galad]

sure why not!

[Arestevana]

I began in darkness, then lost laughter.
I lost sadness sometime after.
One to illness, one to cleft,
losing both what had I left?

Who am I?

[Morgoth Bauglir]

turin turambar?oh boy...been a while since ive read this. isnt hurin shackeled (sp) onto a cleft on morgoths mountain, and he lost his sister lalaith (translates to laughed i think) to the dark plague or something?

[Arestevana]

Turin is the answer I was looking for. Just to clarify: Lalaith, meaning laughter, was the sister whom he lost to illness, and Nienor, 'mourning' was his other sister, who cast herself into the Teiglin. So he lost both laughter and sadness.

[Gil-Galad]

Great friend of man i was
i gave them land, for allegiance
i charged towards the end
all my bones broken
i was lifted to the sky

who am I?

[Salix]

Fingolfin?

[Samwise]

Gil-Galad?

[Gil-Galad]

Salix is correct!!1

[Gil-Galad]

*bump*

[Gil-Galad]

lord of golden leaves i was
had a half a city named after me
fought aganest the bearers
yet stilled i failed and passed to the lady

[Samwise]

As usual, no clue. Celeborn? smilies/confused.gif

[Tárafëaien]

I'm thinking Samwise's guess is good, but maybe its from the Silmarillion, Unfortunately I don't have that book right now. so for anyone else, if its not celeborn, think about the trees.
Unless I'm totally off
Sry, if I'm wrong, have fun
BYE!!! Merry Christmas!

[Finwe]

Amroth?

[Gil-Galad]

You know me finwe, explanation...

[Melimo]

Perhaps the answer is Lorien the Maia. He had part of Lothlorien named after him; the 'dream' part at least. And his spouse was Este, who is perhaps the lady mentioned in the last stanza. I admit that Lorien doesn't really fit the rest of the verse, but I thought perhaps...

[Melimo]

and when I say Lorien the Maia, of course I mean Lorien the Vala (I really kicked myself over this one)

[Gil-Galad]

you could've said Irmo, since Lorien was a place in Valinor, and LothLorien wasn't really a city, more a forest, but finwe is correct and i like a explanation of how you got it...

[Gil-Galad]

*bump* finwe

[Gil-Galad]

I am the heir
I come in time of need
My father and mother both killed
in the forests green
I come to reclaim the throne
From which the stunted took
I killed the 3 C's in the 2nd of the 3rd

who am i?

[Tárafëaien]

Okay I'm guessing Aragorn. My reasons are:

I am the heir - he's the heir of Gondor and the race of Numenor(sp).

I come in time of need - came to Gondor during the battle of Pellenor fields, and saved both Gondor and all Middle earth from Mordor.

My father and mother both killed
in the forests green - His parents died when they were in the north (not in Gondor)

I come to reclaim the throne
From which the stunted took -I'm thinking these are the orcs of Mordor.

I killed the 3 C's in the 2nd of the 3rd - This one I'm not sure about. But maybe its the 2nd battle of the 3rd age or something.
smilies/tongue.gif

[Thorongil]

My guess is Dior, son of Beren and Luthien, because he killed Celegorm, Curufin and Caranthir( 3 C's).

[Elrond of Rivendell]

My guess would be Dior, Thingol's heir.
My reasons are as follows:
- Dior IS (Thingol's) heir.
- He comes after Thingol's death, so somehow the realm of Doriath needed a new ruler.
- Dior's father Beren was mortally wounded by Carcharoth in the green forest of Doriath, his wife Lúthien chose to became mortal and griefed to death, so maybe one can consider her as being "dead" in Middle-Earth, killed also by Carcharoth. (okay I admit this is the weak point.)
- Dior comes to Doriath in order to reclaim his grandfather's throne taken by the Dwarves (stunted people).
- Dior killed the Three C's (Celegorm, Caranthir and Curufin) in the second of the three great downfalls (Nargothrond, Doriath, Gondolin) of the First Age.
Greetings,
EfR

[Gil-Galad]

Thorongil got it first, but elrond explained it almost, the 2nd of the 3rd meant the 2nd kin slaying of the 3 kinslayings (teleri of avallone, doriath, sirion)and beren and luthien were both killed in ossriand by Sons or orcs, don't remeber. well thorongil or elrodn may anwser, whoever gets here first

[symestreem]

I beg to differ, Gil-galad. Beren and Luthien were not killed (unless it is stated otherwise in something more canonical than the Sil). They simply... died.

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Well here I am. smilies/biggrin.gif

Powerful I am,
Though I am no Lord.
My realm is the water,
but it is not flowing,
still it reaches everywhere.

Greetings,
EfR

Edit: I see now that there were some unclear points about the deaths of Beren and Lúthien. I would agree with the fact that Lúthien died of herself. I hope my riddle will be accepted, otherwise I will delete it.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 9:35 PM January 10, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

[Cathelm]

I don't know if your answer is acceptable, but I'll have a go at your riddle. I guess Ulmo, though I have a feeling it's more complex than that.

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Well it is NOT Ulmo. But on the other hand, my riddle is not THAT complicated. I would also like to see your reasons for choosing this or that person, otherwise I can't be sure if my riddle was understood. smilies/biggrin.gif
Greetings,
EfR

[Gil-Galad]

Cirdan

Powerful I am-had many ships in his order
Though I am no Lord-wasn't really a king, only a leader
My realm is the water-made boats and sailed them
but it is not flowingbuilt boats on land
still it reaches everywhere-land/water reaches everywhere

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Nice work Gil-galad, but I am afraid this is not the answer. The clue "I am not a Lord" doesn't apply to Cirdan, as he was "The Lord of the Havens".
Extra hint: Think about what you can be if you aren't a Lord!
Greetings,
EfR

[symestreem]

Sounds like some sort of Lady of Rain, but I can't find anyone answering that description.

[Lalaith]

Uinen, spouse of Osse?

[Elrond of Rivendell]

And Uinen it is.
She was of course no Lord but very powerful as a Maia. Her realm was the water of all the seas (which are not flowing, in opposition to rivers and streams), and her hair was said to lie spread through all waters under sky.
Please proceed Lalaith.
Greetings,
EfR

[Lalaith]

Ok, I'm new to this, here goes:

My nephew's scorn was quite unearned,
my heart was true, my hall was burned.

[Elrond of Rivendell]

I am guessing wildly:
Turgon's "hall" Gondolin was burned (<>destroyed) because of the unjustified scorn of his nephew, Maeglin.

[Lalaith]

No, that's not it.

[Samwise]

LOL....no clue as usual, as you're about to be able to tell:

Mandos?

[Lalaith]

Sorry!

[Tárafëaien]

I'm going to guess Balin, but don't ask why, cause I'm none to sure.

[Lalaith]

Ok, I think a clue is in order...Unfinished Tales.

[Gil-Galad]

Aldarion? or Pharazon?

[Lalaith]

Another clue:

An angry dog did once me fright,
but I helped a kinswoman in her plight.

[Gil-Galad]

Beren? or Finrod?

[Celegorm]

Me? Celegorm?

-lost own hall, that's why living in Nargothrond
-honestly only wanted to help Luthien
-Huan -> bad dog
-Celebrimbor didn't come by leaving Nargothrond -> bad nephew

[Lalaith]

*tsk* Huan was a lovely dog.

No, I'm afraid none of those are right.

[Gil-Galad]

Maedhros?

[Lalaith]

No, sorry. Would you like another clue?

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Of course I would! smilies/wink.gif

[Lalaith]

A small part I played in a tale of woe,
my kin was cursed, I wed my foe.

[Elrond of Rivendell]

I'm guessing Aerin.
She was an kinswoman of Hurin, whose family was cursed. She aided Morwen, another kinswoman. She was taken as wife by Brodda the Easterling. Her hall was burned down by Turin Turambar.

[Lalaith]

Quite correct!
It was actually she, not Turin, who set fire to her hall after Turin killed Brodda.
"Faint heart is yours...as it was when I called you aunt, and a rough dog frightened you," Turin told her, but afterwards he was rebuked by one of the other men, "she did much good among us at much cost."

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Thank you Lalaith.


Challenging I had been,
doomed I became,
buried I was,
till the Heir found me.

Greetings,
EfR

[Galadel Vinorel]

Did the Dead under the mountain say that? You know, where Aragorn calls them to rise up and fight for him to fufill their oath. Am I right? smilies/frown.gif

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Oh you are so close. What I need is the name of one man in particular who lies under the mountain. But this won't be so difficult, as there are not many choices. smilies/biggrin.gif
Good work so far, keep on. smilies/wink.gif
Greetings,
EfR

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 11:00 AM January 14, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

[Kath]

King of the Dead

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Actually I wouldn't say that any of the host of the Dead was really "buried" under the Mountains; somehow they were still living when Aragorn meets them.
So you have to think of another character - The King of the Dead is wrong. smilies/wink.gif

Greetings,
EfR

[Kath]

Ok well in the book there is a bit where they find a dead man lying by a door that he could not get through.
I can't remember exactly but was it maybe Beren?

[Elrond of Rivendell]

It is now the dead man by the door. This one is really "under the Mountain". As for the name of the doorkeeper, I don't know it either. smilies/smile.gif

Greetings,
EfR

[Gil-Galad]

I was gonna say Durin's Bane

[Elrond of Rivendell]

No, the Paths of the Dead are quite the right track, but I still need a precise name. smilies/smile.gif

[Arvedui III]

Wasn't Baldor of Rohan the man who entered the paths of dead and never came back, thereby making him the dead man at the door under the mountain?

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Baldor was not the dead man at the door, since his body was found only after 'time unreckoned had passed' since the Grey Company passed the door, but he is exactly what I have been looking for. smilies/smile.gif
Good work, Arvedui. Your turn.
Greetings,
EfR

EDIT: addition

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 7:12 PM January 14, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

[Arvedui III]

Ah, I have to ask something now?!? Right, herm...

Alone I wandered under night,
My life was filled with dreadful plight,
I came into a blessed land,
And found a jewel,
a madien's hand.

[Gil-Galad]

Eol?

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Beren gaining a Silmaril and receiving Luthien's hand?

[Arvedui III]

Eol was a good guess, but Elrond has it. It was indeed Beren. Good job.

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Thank you Arvedui III. So here we go:


He who by my work can be heard,
fills hearts with joy - but mind!
never stays a longing despair behind.



Greetings,
EfR

[Celegorm]

Any hints?

(I can't remember someone creating a telephone. smilies/wink.gif )

[Gil-Galad]

Illuvatar? or Tom Bombadil?

[Samwise]

Gandalf? (As usual, the simple-minded Hobbit has no clue...)

[Elrond of Rivendell]

It is none of your guesses.
Try to figure out what quite a lot of people (speaking of races, that is) are longing for.

[Samwise]

I still have no clue.

Cidran? (sp?)

[Elrond of Rivendell]

No, although Cirdan lived where the longing could be more easily satisfied than for example in Lothlorien. smilies/wink.gif

EfR

[Celegorm]

Ulmo? The longing for the see?

[Elrond of Rivendell]

You come very close. But Ulmo = he in my riddle. You have to find out who I am.

EfR

[Gil-Galad]

Maglor? his singing brings delight but with despair of the silmarils is always with him

[symestreem]

Salmar made the horns of Ulmo, so I'm going to say it's him.

Upon further study I can also tell you that they are called the Ulumuri.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 7:05 PM January 19, 2004: Message edited by: symestreem ]

[Tárafëaien]

Is it the sea-gulls? Like when Legolas hears the sound of the gulls he is drawn to the sea.

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Yes, you are also close.
Now you have to combine the idea of "Ulmo" with your idea of "music/sound". Good luck! smilies/smile.gif

EfR

[Samwise]

No clue no clue no clue....

Bilbo singing his last song when he sailed to the west??

[Elrond of Rivendell]

No.
Hint: Don't come up with new persons.
All you need has already been said.

Ulmo by my work can be heard,
fills hearts with joy - but mind!
never stays a longing despair behind.

Extra hint: What did I do for Ulmo? ... Well ... something out of white shell smilies/smile.gif

EfR

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 6:42 PM January 19, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

[Gil-Galad]

i'ma guess Elwing

[Elrond of Rivendell]

No, not Elwing.

[Samwise]

someone like a special bard of Ulmo's or something? That used a white shell as an instrument? smilies/confused.gif

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Yes, you come very very close Samwise. smilies/smile.gif
It was an instrument made out of white shell for Ulmo. I would like to have the name of its maker. smilies/smile.gif

Additional hint: The name is mentioned in The Silmarillion, but not in the Valaquenta.

EfR

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 7:34 PM January 20, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

[Celegorm]

The Ulumúri have been made by Salmar, but symestreem allready answered that two days ago:
Salmar made the horns of Ulmo, so I'm going to say it's him.

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Mmhmm ... what can I do now ... leave the board and never come back ? ... I am so sorry symestreem, but I must have overlooked your post. smilies/frown.gif

The thread is yours, of course.

Greetings,
EfR

Many thanks to Celegorm for insisting. smilies/smile.gif
And apologies to all those who kept on guessing when the answer was already given.

[symestreem]

That's quite alright, Master Elrond. Please don't leave the board! Your puzzles would be missed.

Here we are:

Steward's friend, friend of kings,
Mixed up in all the rings and things.
I was a prince of old
swift and bold.

I know the last line sounds stupid (if the whole thing sounds stupid, please don't enlighten me), but it makes a sort of sense. If this seems too much like a cryptic clue, I'm sorry. Also, name the steward if you can.

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Well, I suppose I couldn't have left, even had I wanted to. smilies/biggrin.gif

So here is my first guess:

The Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth?
He was a friend of Faramir and of Elessar Telcontar.

EfR

[Finwe]

Boromir? Denethor?

[Gil-Galad]

Aragorn was friend of Echthelion II of Gondor and of Thengel of Rohan, of course he got mixed up in the rings, he was still a prince at the age of 87 or something, and was swift and bold

[Samwise]

Hm. Don't know why, the first part reminds me of Gandalf...and the second...Isildur?

[Gil-Galad]

I don't think that Gandalf was really friend of stewards, after seeing Denethors reaction to him

[symestreem]

It is none of these. The steward in question is not Denethor, and it is not the person per se who is swift. It is something relating to him.

[Estanesse]

Elrond descended from the high king of the Noldor. Friend of Gandalf who is a steward and Isildur a king.
The swift part doesn’t fit very well, but you never know. smilies/biggrin.gif

[symestreem]

You're getting closer. The steward is not your typical steward, nor is the prince your typical prince (he is not the heir to any throne). However, the kings are your typical kings.

[Finwe]

Could it be Pippin?

Gandalf was described as a steward, and Pippin is definitely his friend.
Pippin was indeed an extraordinary man (another definition of "prince") and was called Ernil i Pheriannath ("Prince of the Halflings") in Gondor, effectively making him a "Prince."
He was definitely mixed up in the War of the Rings.
He was also swift and bold in rescuing Faramir and realizing that he would have to defy the orders of Denethor to do so.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 12:52 PM January 23, 2004: Message edited by: Finwe ]

[Celegorm]

Since Finwe said, Gandalf was described as a steward, I got a new idea:

Shadowfax!?
He is a friend of Gandalf and "belongs" to Theoden. He is a heir of the great Horses of old.

[symestreem]

Finwe is correct. It is Pippin; the "swift" part was actually a play on the word Peregrin, since the peregrine falcon is swift indeed.

[Finwe]

Ha, ok.



Old am I,
An enigma am I,
Oldest,
Without a parent,
Yet light-hearted am I,
and singer am I.

[Samwise]

Tom Bombadil?

[Eorl of Rohan]

Yeah, either Tom Bombadil or Treebeard, though since he sings it's Bombadil by my opinion

[Finwe]

Samwise got it. Tom Bombadil it is.

[Samwise]

Really?? Okay, a new riddle....hm...

One of thirteen,
surprising, the locks
one of a key to a future
that many may believe has ceased.

Eeep...hope this is right....

[Eorl of Rohan]

I was too late on the last easy puzzle, but I'll get this one, by Illuvatar!

[Eorl of Rohan]

thirteen, thirteen, what does that remind me of? The number of dwarves who went with Bilbo, if I recall Hobbit? And there was this map and key of Thorin.

I don't have much hope on this one, but is it Thorin?

One of thirteen,
surprising, the locks
one of a key to a future
that many may believe has ceased.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 12:18 AM January 28, 2004: Message edited by: Eorl of Rohan ]

[Samwise]

Nope....

[Eorl of Rohan]

I knew it. Can you at least tell us where it is from? What book? Becuase I'm going to have no idea if it's from lays of Bereliland

[Samwise]

Well, this should make it easy, but I can never think of hard things...it's from Return of the King.

[Eorl of Rohan]

locks - that brings only two things to my mind. Galadriel's locks of hair - and the paths of the dead, where there is a locked door that someone could not unlock.


Am I just stupid or am I ignorant? smilies/frown.gif Probably both.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 12:35 AM January 28, 2004: Message edited by: Eorl of Rohan ]

[Samwise]

Mmm...no, but the person is female.

I have to get off, but I'll be back on tomorrow. smilies/wink.gif

[Eorl of Rohan]

That settles it. There are only very few female characters of note -

Eowyn, Arwen Evenstar, Ioreth the healer...

It must be Eowyn. It must be. But why?

[Telperion]

Must Be Eowyn? Why? Is there anything in her with "13" on it?

[Eorl of Rohan]

The problem is the the first two lines I cannot understand, and last two lines cane be either eowyn and Ioreth.

Eowyn, becuase it is foltold that no man would kill the witch king and she did. And also.

Ioreth, who said that The hand of a king is a hand of a healer and so the rightful heir will be known.

What beats me is the word thirteen.

[Evisse the Blue]

My guess would be Goldilocks, Sam and Rosie's daughter.

One of thirteen, - Sam and Rosie had 13 children
surprising, the locks - the fact that she had golden locks was a surprise to hobbits
one of a key to a future
that many may believe has ceased - hint to the fact that hobbits still exist, but are very good at hiding from the Big Folk? smilies/wink.gif

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 8:38 AM January 28, 2004: Message edited by: Evisse the Blue ]

[Gil-Galad]

Too me its Beren, Warden of the keys

One of thirteen,-the first Beren, which was where he took hsi name from was with his father and other men as "outlaws" or dorthonion
surprising, the locks-warden of the keys
one of a key to a future-gaves keys to saruman
that many may believe has ceased.-saruman was no longed ally?

i have a strange feeling that this Beren was a female

[Samwise]

Bravo, Evisse the Blue !! Correct on all counts! smilies/smile.gif Pray proceed! smilies/smile.gif

[Evisse the Blue]

whoa, uncanny. I'm usually so bad at guessing these riddles. smilies/biggrin.gif

I'll have to ask you to bear with me for a couple of days, till I think of the next one: it's exam period for me; but I won't let that get in the way of coming up with a new riddle asap! smilies/smile.gif

[Evisse the Blue]

He sought to wrench away my precious treasure
I sent him to his doom: measure for measure.
he lost yet won,
I gained naught, yet gave in
Pride and anger brought about my end
The ones most dear to me I lost
But this time to a friend.

[Eorl of Rohan]

Deagol first came to my mind, who found the ring and lost it to a friend, but then pride and anger does not fit.

Maybe precious treasure is a silmaril or Naugrafarig, not the one ring? I'd have to think about this one.

Precious ONES... MAybe it signifies Feanor? But then, Morgoth Bauglir was his greatest enemy, so the last line doesn't fit.

[Thorongil]

Maybe it was Thingol.

Beren wanted Luthien, his precious treasure.
He sent Beren to Angband
Beren lost his arm, but won Luthien
And his pride and anger made the Dwarves kill him.

I can't get the rest to fit in.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 6:26 AM January 31, 2004: Message edited by: Thorongil ]

[Gil-Galad]

Denethor II, steward of gondor? maybe?

[Evisse the Blue]

Thingol it was. I can't get the rest to fit in. . try it! not that hard at all - you got most of it already! smilies/smile.gif

[Thorongil]

I still can't get it to fit, but here is the next one:

I have a bad reputation
And a hurting nose,
I'm not very friendly,
especially not with the husband of Rose.

Who am I?

Shouldn't be too difficult.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

It is Bill Ferny.
Sam hit him on the nose with an apple when the hobbits left Bree with Strider. Bill was a mean hombre

[Thorongil]

Yes, you couldn't exactly call him Mr. Nice guy...

YOur turn Luthien.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

This is probably pretty easy...but I'm still rubbing the sleep out of my eyes smilies/wink.gif
Taking leave of elves
Four instead of two
Heavily burdened
Yet, I'm not depressed
Who Am I?

[Elentarimir]

Is it Frodo?

Taking leave of elves - Leaving Rivendell

Four instead of two - Merry and Pippin coming too, instead of just him and Sam?

Heavily burdened - He carries the weight of the ring.

Yet, I'm not depressed - He's happy to have his friends with him?

[Arestevana]

I will guess Bill the pony:

Taking leave of elves- he left Rivendell with the fellowship
Four instead of two- He has four legs instead of two
Heavily burdened
Yet, I'm not depressed- So Bill was going as the beast of burden, yet he was the only member of the Company who did not seem depressed.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

You are correct, Arestevana smilies/tongue.gif smilies/tongue.gif
Your turn.

[Eorl of Rohan]

Why is no one posting for the last few days?

[Arestevana]

Why is no one posting for the last few days?

That would be because I forgot, entirely, that I had posted on this thread. I am very sorry, everyone. Here is a new riddle.

I am the Silverlode, yet lack speech in wrath.
A chief of the East walks the edge in my path.
A craftsman am I, whose craft, in the West,
Was seen by one carrying a craft of my best,
This craft I had given, (this craft, one of three)
To a lord of the coast, who then gave it to he.
At the hand of a craftsman like myself I would die-
Yet his craft mocked my own, you must note. Who am I?

[Estanesse]

Are you Celebrimbor,

Celeb the Sindarin word for silver. The chief of the east is Sauron who later killed Celebrimbor, and mocked him by making the one ring.
Gandalf has seen his craft in the west ( ;) ) and is in posession of one of the three (Narya) given by Cirdan a lord of the coast.

[Arestevana]

Yes, I am! Correct on almost every point, Estanesse: Please continue. :)


For those who like to know these things, The first two lines were merely meant to be a cryptic clue to the name: Silverlode = Celebrant - (speech in wrath = rant) = celeb + (edge = rim) + (Cheif of the east = Bor) = Celebrimbor.

[Estanesse]

Thanks Arestevana :smokin: ,


Seven hundred and twenty legs against many,
Fearless we fight against Darkness
one of many in the days too come,
Six hundred and forty-two legs left the battleground victories,
I was left behind Afraid in darkness
with only the comfort of my legacy,
Bringer of speed for he who is in need
the lost who knows the way.

[Gil-Galad]

I haev big feeling its Gandalf, but i'm probaly wrong as usual...

[NightKnight]

Something with eored...not sure what though.

[Estanesse]

No sorry it isn’t Gandalf .
Hint: There are two straight clues, :smokin:

NightKnight aims his arrows in the right direction.

[Finwe]

Is it Theoden?

[Arvedui III]

Herm...Eomer, maybe?

[Gil-Galad]

Theodred? we could use a hint

[Sleepy Ranger]

Helm Hammerhand

[Estanesse]

No right answer yet but Arvedui is warm,
Hint: Look at the numbers

BTW: I would like the reason, it makes it easier to give a hint.

[Sleepy Ranger]

The numbers? Lets see. 720. Hmm. Has to do with Rohirrim. So there'd be horses. Now lets see. A horse has 4 legs a man has 2. Now lets see, A horse for every man. A total of 6 legs. 120. So that would be 60 men 60 horses. Then 642 left the battleground. So that gives 107. 53.5 Men and horses so making it even I'd say 54 men 53 horses. Then 78 legs died. 13 died. so 6 men and 7 horses. Now what do I do? Am I on the right track? Do any of these numbers actually mean something? :(

[Arvedui III]

Ack! Too many big numbers! The legacy bit makes me think of Eomund, though.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

I am stuck...here is what I have so far.

Eomer said he lost 15 men and 12 horses in the battle with the orcs beside Fangorn forest. This loss totals 78 legs. Seven hundred and twenty minus 78 equals the 642 legs that Estanesse said left the battleground victorious.
I can't figure out the 720 exactly though...Legalas sees 105 riders of Rohan coming in the distance and it is mentioned that there are 3 horseless riders (which matches perfectly with the fact of 15 men and 12 horses lost in battle). But 105 riders and 3 riderless horses equals 702 legs instead of 720. Possible typo, Estanesse??? I am at a loss to account for the extra 18 legs.

I have spun the rest of the riddle in so many ways trying to figure it out...I am dizzy. Another hint, please!;)

I am also thinking that one of the songs about the Rangers said something about 'The lost who knows the way'. But, I can't find it. Does this sound familiar to anyone???

[Estanesse]

There is no typo error :D.
120* 4= 480
120*2 = 240

equals 720 :cool:

But I'm impressed good work. To find out who I'm isn’t so hard now :smokin:

[Finwe]

Theoden?

[Arvedui III]

Gah! I can't find this number nonsense anywhere. Time to guess.

Umm...Erkenbrand? Or Hama, maybe?

[Nirvana II]

im gonna say Theodred

cause no one has said that yet



Nirvana II:smokin:

[Gil-Galad]

<--------------*bing bing bing* i said Theodred, if you scroll up...

[Nirvana II]

i feel kinda dumb when i do that....and is it...Eomund?

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Ack...I also am reduced to merely guessing...Merry or Pippen. I am too embarrassed to explain my line of thinking to bring me to these guesses...it is probably way stupid!:eek:

[Evisse the Blue]

Bringer of speed for he who is in need
the lost who knows the way.
Is it by any chance Hirgon?

[Gil-Galad]

Aragorn? because the lost who knows the way part was kidna like the Dead army of Dunharrow

[Arvedui III]

i feel kinda dumb when i do that....and is it...Eomund?

Sorry, but I said Eomund as well, if you'll scroll up...

Herm...I don't know. Eowyn? The left behind bit struck me as being her, but the rest of it doesn't make sense.

[Estanesse]

Aragorn? because the lost who knows the way part was kidna like the Dead army of Dunharrow

No it has nothing to do with the Dead army of Dunharrow :smokin:


Hint: I'm( ;) )not a member of the royal family

[Gil-Galad]

but which royal family are you refering to?

[NightKnight]

The rohirric royal family probably...I think I know the answer, and I have known it all the time. I just don't wanna ask a new question here. ;)

[Estanesse]

Originally posted by NightKnight
The rohirric royal family probably...I think I know the answer, and I have known it all the time. I just don't wanna ask a new question here. ;)

Yes rohirric is the correct answer, almost ;) . But your right I'm referring to the rohirric royal family.

[Gil-Galad]

Something makes me think Grimbold

[Estanesse]

That makes sense but I have someone else in mind.

Hint: Number 105, 120, 15, 12

[Finwe]

Elfhelm, was it?

[Estanesse]

Nope

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Garulf?

[symestreem]

Is it Gimli? The left behind in darkness part reminds me of Gimli's "an elf will go underground where a dwarf will not?"

[Estanesse]

Garulf is my name. :)

[NightKnight]

It took you people very long...I took it when I first saw it. :p

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Wow, that was a tough one! Garulf was one of the 12 men who died and therefore was 'left behind in darkness' his horse was given to Aragorn (who was in need of speed).

My turn:
An answer for Yavanna,
For a short, no glossal gift.
Blossoms and bluegrass became my forte
Perchance, I'm shopping for a lotion to assuage my arid periderm?

[Gil-Galad]

I'm out... too many big words.... hard to understand... head hurts... wrestling is painful... who knew snow was cold?:eek:

[Finwe]

Ents? Treebeard? Entwives?

[rutslegolas]

celeborn

its just a guess and maybe far off target
:smokin:

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Finwe, you are correct with the Entwives.

My husband thinks that when I go to the mall, that I may never come home, cuz I take so long (just his ridiculous little opinion:rolleyes:). Therefore, I always wonder if the missing entwives just got lost at the mall shopping for lotion (since their skin/bark was so rough).

Oh well... anyway.... your turn..

[Finwe]

Ahhhh... riiiiight...



Swift are we,
Silent are we,
Scary are we,
Faithless are we.

[Gil-Galad]

The Dead men of Dunharrow? that would seem the obvious anwser no?

[The Perky Ent]

Um...i don't know. How about...um....how about the undead from the paths of the dead that aragorn summoned?

[Gil-Galad]

sorry perky ent, i got to the same anwser first

[Sleepy Ranger]

Thats waht Gil-galad said.
Anyway is it The Nazgul?

[Gil-Galad]

You would think the NAzgul would be faithful to Sauron?

[Sleepy Ranger]

Please people no mor off-topic posts. And wouldn't it be wise to delete our posts ere some big evil cruel overload comes and crushes us?

[The Perky Ent]

There! I deleted all my bickering posts! Happy?

[The Saucepan Man]

And I have deleted the rest.

Please folks, this is a Quiz Room not a Chat Room, so please stick to the game.

[Finwe]

Gil-galad got it. It was the Dead Men of Dunharrow.

[Arvedui III]

*Bump*

Gil-Galad?

[Gil-Galad]

woah my bad forgot about this thread...


Went to the mountains
Fought with the horn in his ears
Rode to the fields
His name is a trait of his
leading the one of the third


Who am I?

[Finwe]

Boromir?

[Gil-Galad]

nope! and please give explanations!

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Helm Hammerhand.
The Rohirrim went to the mountains for safety when their land was invaded by Dunlendings. Helm had a great horn and sounded it going to battle. Well...the men of Rohan rode to battle because they were Horse-lords. Hammerhand was the name given him because on his ability to kill with one blow of his fist.