LOTR Survivor

[the guy who be short]

++GollumWhat is with people and destroying Elves?

[Koneko]

Elf envy. Personally, my favourite is Glorfindel. :)

++Thranduil ... I'm too fond of poor tortured Gollum.

[The Saucepan Man]

I'm glad to see that the Elven tribe has been thinned out in my absence. But there are still far too many of the self-centered, pointy-eared xenophobes running around on the island for my liking. So I will go with the popular choice today:

++ THRANDUIL

His exclusive parties are still causing a problem for morale. If you ask me, he is at the centre of this Elf-superiority thing which has been so divisive on the island. Without him, perhaps the remaining Elves will integrate better (and therefore give us less reason to be rid of them).

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

She goes off to battle disguised as a man and you call it a mood swing?
No i call that fraud ! ! !

We can not have Eowyn on this island when she comids Impersonation fraud and steal other peoples identitys. This will undermine the whole structure of our little society, not to mention the voting system ! ! !

How would you like it if you woke up one morning and your identity was stolen ?

[Mithalwen]

I'm glad to see that the Elven tribe has been thinned out in my absence. But there are still far too many of the self-centered, pointy-eared xenophobes running around on the island

Xenophobes? So the answer to alleged Xenophobia is Ethnic Cleansing?


++Gollum

[Celuien]

Finally, we can work on getting rid of

++ GOLLUM.

I only hope that enough of you will realize that Thranduil is more of an asset to our community than...

some new terror abroad, a ghost that drank blood. It climbed trees to find nests; it crept into holes to find the young; it slipped through windows to find cradles.

...as the Woodmen described old Stinker.

[Mithalwen]

No i call that fraud ! ! !

We can not have Eowyn on this island when she comids Impersonation fraud and steal other peoples identitys. This will undermine the whole structure of our little society, not to mention the voting system ! ! !

How would you like it if you woke up one morning and your identity was stolen ?


This only has a basis if there was a real Dernhelm. And as for your last comment - you can get very efficient shredders very cheaply these days....

[The Saucepan Man]

Xenophobes? So the answer to alleged Xenophobia is Ethnic Cleansing?Hey! It's only a game show. :rolleyes: ;)

Like Hairdressers in Big Brother, the Elves seem to think that they have an Eru-given right to be on the island, so they need a reality check every so often. I don't want to get rid of all the Elves. I just want to make sure that things are kept even. Unlike the self-styled "Elf Alliance", which wants to purify the island of all but Elves ...

Once the Elvish numbers are checked, I am quite happy to move on to the next strongest tribe. The arguments against Eowyn are persuasive, but I really dislike the "goody-two-shoes" types, so Faramir looks a safe bet for my next vote. :p

[Lalaith]

Yes, Faramir is also on my "to do" list.


However, be warned that any attempt to evict Eowyn from this island will bring upon you a fell wrath that will make Anguirel's fury over Celeborn look like a toddler's tiff.
Ditto Lobelia or Galadriel. I shall defend the triple aspect of femininity - Maiden, Mother and Crone - to the death.
But for now, I will happily see the amphibious back of
++GOLLUM

[Kath]

++THRANDUIL

Whoever said he was an asset, what planet are you living on? I know, I know, you said more of one than Gollum - sorry, more important than the creature that rid Middle Earth of the Ring? Sure! The guy did nothing more than spawn (love that phrase) Legolas! Please don't let him create the like again! And he doesn't seem like a great father for all that either, I mean think about it, the others get introduced like so:

Aragorn son of Arathorn
Gimli son of Gloin

Then Leggy - Legolas of the woodland realm - no mention of a father.

[Celuien]

++THRANDUIL

Whoever said he was an asset, what planet are you living on? I know, I know, you said more of one than Gollum - sorry, more important than the creature that rid Middle Earth of the Ring? Sure! The guy did nothing more than spawn (love that phrase) Legolas!

Uh-hum. So there was no leadership involved in keeping at least some part of Mirkwood clear of Sauron's creatures when he was in residence at Dol Guldur. :rolleyes:

And it's not as if Gollum meant to save Middle-earth by accidentally falling into Mount Doom with the Ring.

[mormegil]

Uh-hum. So there was no leadership involved in keeping at least some part of Mirkwood clear of Sauron's creatures when he was in residence at Dol Guldur. :rolleyes:

And it's not as if Gollum meant to save Middle-earth by accidentally falling into Mount Doom with the Ring.

All the elves did when he entered Mirkwood was retreat from that part that he occupied. So yes I guess it was because of his leadership that they they kept some part of Mirkwood. Sauron didn't intend to capture Mirkwood entirely at that time.

[Pallando]

Aragorn son of Arathorn
Gimli son of Gloin
Then Leggy - Legolas of the woodland realm - no mention of a father.

How many elves have "Name son/daughter of Name"? They go by "Name of Place or by attach a title to their name.
Men and Dwarves require this because they are mortal, they die eventually. Elves live forever, so there's not much of a chance that there will be fifty thousand other elves that share their name.

[Anguirel]

...disseminating a wee bit of propaganda. Those of you who plan to vote or have voted for Thranduil, take a minute to peruse this well-written and readable essay-

http://henneth-annun.net/stories/chapter_view.cfm?STID=3156&SPOrdinal=1

By voting for Thranduil, you are following a stereotype trod by thousands of Legolas fangirls, demonising the "evil father"; and neglecting the evidence in the Hobbit and the LOTR appendices, which definitely settles on Thranduil being a good, even great king. Remember also that he was the last Elvenking on Middle-earth; truly the last whose realm was free, if not "fair and free", of ancient Sindarin race and great practical abilities.

You are also rejecting the closest Tolkien's Elves come to a truly beautiful and chilling piece of our folklore; the fay wood-dwellers, the Hunters of the forests, in a word, the elfin-court, as celebrated in its marvellous, terrifying brilliance in ballads like Tam Lin:

"I used to go out hunting
But I fell from my horse one day.
The Queen of Fairies captured me
And in their land I must stay.


"The faerie land is a pleasant place
But there's a darker side as well.
At the end of every seven years
They make a sacrifice to hell.

Later on:

The faerie horses came riding by
In the middle of the night
And some were black and some were brown
But Tam Lin's was milk-white.


She pulled him down from off his horse
With her arms around his shape.
The faerie court gave an angry yell
"Tam Lin is trying to escape!"

And:

At last he was himself again
So she wrapped him in her cloak.
She was rejoicing in her victory
When the Queen of Faeries spoke.


"If I had know, Tam Lin," she says
"that you were up to no good
I'd have taken out your green eyes
and put in eyes of wood."


"If I had known, Tam Lin," she says
"you would have always been alone!
For I'd have taken out your mortal heart
And put in a heart of stone."

Incredible, heartrending, poetic tradition; represented by Thranduil the Elvenking. I entreat you all, if you are swayed, change your votes to Gollum.

[Formendacil]

By voting for Thranduil, you are following a stereotype trod by thousands of Legolas fangirls, demonising the "evil father"; and neglecting the evidence in the Hobbit and the LOTR appendices, which definitely settles on Thranduil being a good, even great king. Remember also that he was the last Elvenking on Middle-earth; truly the last whose realm was free, if not "fair and free", of ancient Sindarin race and great practical abilities.

Is that any less a reason to ly... er... ship him off the island? What need do they have of a loving father now that they have killed... er shipped off his progeny? For that matter, what need to they have of fair and free Elvenkings?

Furthermore, as the evidence of Tolkien's work will show, Thranduil has clearly been spreading anti-Dwarven xenophobia. The Elves and the Dwarves are both small, non-human tribes as of now, and really ought to be working together against that insidious menace which is everyone else... :p

You are also rejecting the closest Tolkien's Elves come to a truly beautiful and chilling piece of our folklore; the fay wood-dwellers, the Hunters of the forests, in a word, the elfin-court, as celebrated in its marvellous, terrifying brilliance in ballads like Tam Lin:

Beautiful and chilling? Fay wood-dwellers? Marvelous, terrifying brilliance?

Allow me to remind me you of the true meanings of "chilling", "fay", and "terrifying". Basically, you are saying that you want to save a cold, crazy, and scary Elflord? At least Gollum's down-to-earth...

[Anguirel]

If you insist on cheapening this, then I would argue that a "cold, scary, crazy Elf-Lord" "makes better TV" than some inarticulate product of the grimy Hobbit underclass.

Besides, with poor Celeborn gone, there's every chance of illicit romance with Galadriel...what gets better viewing than that?

[Glirdan]

WOW!!! People are really starting to get on each others last nerves!! I think we should have a BD Survivor!! Oh!! Right. We have that already..... I never knew that what me and Folwren started would bring this much fun and rivlary and so much competitiveness!!! Awsome!!!

What has Eowyn done? She never did any harm! She helped us be rid of that stupid evil Witch-King!! Now if that isn't an accomplishment in life, than I don't know what is.

[The Perky Ent]

...I just voted for him because he's hogging the wine...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

--Eowyn++Gollum

[Folwren]

I don't know where Boromir is, but you all may be interested in knowing that the voting is over for today, and the one who say goodbye is...Thranduil. Wow. Didn't expect that. It was a vote of seven to nine. Gollum was almost as bad as an orc...I would have been alright with that.

Farewell, Thranduil. :(

I'll leave the rest to Boromir to fix up.

-- Folwren

[Glirdan]

Ok, it's been 4 hours now and Boro still isn't back. I'm finding this rather disturbing. But I will not continue until he returns. Anybody else sharing my thoughts?

[Pallando]

Anybody else sharing my thoughts?

Aye, I do. Tis a shame that a good king of Elves is cast off of the island ere a murderer. Curse you, Bandwagon! CUUUUUUUUUURSSSSE YOOOOOOOOOOOU!

[Folwren]

Originally posted by Pallando:
Aye, I do. Tis a shame that a good king of Elves is cast off of the island ere a murderer. Curse you, Bandwagon! CUUUUUUUUUURSSSSE YOOOOOOOOOOOU!

Those weren't his thoughts at all, actually. Take my word for it.

-- Folwren

[Pallando]

Those weren't his thoughts at all, actually. Take my word for it.

... Great... I just completly embarrassed myself... *looks around then suddenly dashes off out of the topic for the time being*

[Boromir88]

I didn't say I was going to be out last night? Hmm, thought I did, but looking through now I guess I didn't. I seriously think I'm losing my mind.

What we'll do is at 5:30 today I'll start the next day of voting. Sorry, about that I could have sworn I asked for Glirdan or someone to cover because I was going to be out all night. Though it appears I am losing it.

So, votings closed (though I will take all votes up to this point) and at 5:30 (EST) we'll start the next day.

Looks like Thranduil will go bye-bye.

[Glirdan]

It's nice to see that you're back Boro. You had be worried, seriously. :( But now you're back and I'm happy again!!! :D

[Boromir88]

Ty, Glirdan.

Thranduil- 9
Gollum- 6
Elrond- 1

Thranduil is the next to go, he's forced to give up the lucious island life and return back to his dark spidery infested woods...



Hobbits
Gollum
Lobelia Sackville-Baggins
Merry
Pippin

Men and Rohan Lady
Boromir
Eomer
Eowyn
Faramir
Hama

Wizards
Alatar
Pallando

Dwarves
Gimli
Gloin

Elves
Cirdan
Elrond
Galadriel
Glorfindel

Others
Quickbeam
Treebeard

Badguys
Grishnakh
Ugluk

[The Perky Ent]

Huray! Thranduril is no longer around to hog the wine! We can all drink in peac- What's this?!? It's been drunk already! By Pippin!!! This cannot be ignored!

++Pippin

He drank our wine!

[Firefoot]

I would've thought you'd prefer Ent-draught, Perky. ;) Though maybe Pip's been drinking that, too?

For myself, I believe it is time for

++Treebeard

to go. His slow-ness is seriously starting to get on my nerves... how has he lasted so long, anyway?

[Gil-Galad]

++Pippin

[Boromir88]

I'm going to tag along with Firefoot here and say...

++Treebeard

He just sits there and meditates in the woods all day and seems strained from the rest of the tribe.

[The Saucepan Man]

I am sticking to my strategy of voting for the strongest tribe, in an effort to keep things even. So one from the Men tribe has to go.

Faramir seems to have taken it hard since Denethor was voted off. He just mopes around camp bewailing the fact that he was not able to save his father. Besides, if any of the tasks involve picking up hoops of gold from the road, he will be next to useless.

And he's a goody-two-shoes.

It's time for him to go.

++ FARAMIR

[arcticstorm]

I concur firefoot, ++Treebeard needs to pack his bags and leave, unfortunately he will still be packing and leaving after the game is over

[Glirdan]

I'm going to vote

++Merry

He keeps drinking the wine with Pip, not to mention the elf draughts!!!

[Anguirel]

The culling of Elves has gone on far too long. We need a Dwarf gone. Down with the ridiculous snobberies of the ludicrous and decrepit Gloin!

++GLOIN

[mormegil]

I think it's high time we get rid of Cirdan. I mean the old elf is truly useless. He never actually accomplished much during his thousands of years on Middle-earth. What? He built the Havens? No big deal I think pretty much anybody could have done that given the amount of time he had. Another thing about him, for his tribe he does little, just as in life. He sits around waiting for others to do things, only to give too little aid too late. He's always begging for help from men etc...

I say the old elf needs to retire

++Cirdan

[Anguirel]

I will defend Cirdan to the hilt. Besides, you are an oath-breaker now. Your faction declared Thranduil would be enough to sate their lust for blood.

As for your inane question, "what did Cirdan actually do?" it is akin to the question "what use are the Classics?"-spawn of a slacking intellect. I shall answer-

-Saved and fostered Gil-galad Ereinion, by whose hand Sauron eventually fell

-Acted as ruler of Harlindon under the High King and paticipated in the defence of Eriador against Sauron's armies

-Advised the destruction of the Ring

-Acted as bearer of the Elven ring Narya and-more vitally-guessed correctly which of the Istari would be best-suited to carry it in the struggle ahead

-Lent support to the beleaguered line of Arnor and the chieftains of Arthedain, assailed by Angmar

-Was on the White Council

-Harboured one of the Palantiri, and unlike all the other guardians never used it and got ensnared by it

-Probably helped overthrow the Necromancer

-Maintained the way to Valinor, ensuring peace and healing for many Elves and eventually for the Ringbearers

-Found time to grow a stylish beard

Lay off Cirdan, or your favourite characters will drop like flies again...

[Lalaith]

I said I would do it and I will.

++Faramir

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

HAHA an indirect attack ++Faramir

[WaynetheGoblin]

++clirden


Sorry for the long abense. Clirden should go period. :mad:

[Celuien]

Whatever could have possessed me to vote for Cirdan before? It must have been the influence of that troublesome duo of Sauron and Saruman. But now that they are gone, I see the error of my ways and will join Cirdan's defenders.

But who to vote for today, strategically speaking? I too would like to see the insufferable Gloin sent packing. However, there are now three votes for Treebeard and three for Faramir. A vote for one of them seems more likely to help Cirdan, so I don't think I can vote for Gloin...yet.

I rather like Faramir. Besides, we can't get rid of him while Eowyn is still around. There's too much of a romance subplot going on between those two. And I have to go on a trip today, so I won't be back in time to employ the retractable vote. So I will have to cast my ballot for

++TREEBEARD.

If we get him started on his preparations to return to Fangorn now, there's a chance that he'll be ready to go by the time the game is over.

[Folwren]

++Pippin!

The little mite keeps getting into people's way.

-- Folwren

[wilwarin538]

More randomness. :p

++Lobelia Sackville-Baggins

Because her name is waaaayyyy to long.

[Kath]

Today I think my vote will go to

++HAMA

His group is still pretty large and compared to the others he didn't exactly do much. Unlike today's seemingly preferred Treebeard, who destroyed Isengard and kept Saruman out of the final battle, as well as being a pretty likeable person in my books. So he's a bit slow, he gets there eventually.

And Pippin too. Leave the poor little thing alone! He found the palantir, and his looking in it helped the wise ones to make their decisions over what to do. Without him doing that Gandalf would have gone back to Edoras and might not have got to Minas Tirith in time. And he finds Merry and saves him.

[the guy who be short]

++A Ham (It's an anagram, figure it out.)

What she said. She = Kath.

[Pallando]

Now, how this little bugger made it this far is beyond me. He's a traitorous, mean thing. Not to mention he's (books) naked. COME ON! He's been around for 500 years or so, there's no way his clothes lasted that long, even as rags.
Aside from the nakedness, he annoys the heck out of all the other contestants. They have enough problems as it is, without him going on about "his precious" and fish. And the arguments he has with himself is just plain creepy...

I stand by my prior vote!
++Gollum
HE MUST DEPART!

[Boromir88]

So far the votes are...

Treebeard- 4
Faramir- 3
Pippin- 3
Cirdan- 2
Hama- 2
Gloin- 1
Gollum- 1
Lobelia- 1
Merry- 1

Wow, very tight race.

[the guy who be short]

--Hama, ++Faramir

Treebeard is far too cool to die.

[Glirdan]

--Merry ++Hama

Hama, what has Hama done that is any good? Wow! He gave Théoden his sword. Besides, I really don't see Merry going home anytime soon.

[wilwarin538]

ooh this is fun

--Lobelia++Faramir

[Folwren]

No, no! Don't killed Hama! And don't kill Faramir, either!! Treebeard is a far better candidate to go!

Why go for Hama? He's so loyal, in the books...and even when he's being loyal and his master is half mad, he uses his head. He didn't like Grima Wormtongue and always doubted him. It's not like he fell under the lies or anything. And then at the gate at Helm's Deep where they killed him...and honorable death. Will you give harrah to the nasty orcs who killed him and hued his body where it lay? Leave Hama alone!

And as for your defence of Peregrin. *chuckle* The Palantir is one of the craziest, dumbest things he could have gone. He got off scot free, too, which is possitively astonishing. Gandalf only grumps a little bit and everybody pounces on him for being mean to poor Pippin, where as that young fool of a Took gets everybody's pity when really he deserves loads more than Gandalf would ever give him. Pippin's stupidity is a poor substitue for Hama's bravery and loyalty.

-- Folwren

[Glirdan]

--Hama ++Cirdan

Let's get rid of the shipwright. All he does is sit there and build boats. The only thing that has been good for was to get himself and others off the island. I say "Down with the Shipwright!!! Up with Treebeard!!!"

[Anguirel]

Traitor. You call yourself a Doriath-lover, and reject a great lord of the Sindar...for the third time. Thingol will not forgive...

And Treebeard will be made into novelty pencils.

--GLOIN, ++TREEBEARD

[mormegil]

--Hama, ++Faramir

Treebeard is far too cool to die.

Agreed though I like Quickbeam much more. A hasty ent!

[Arry]

It was his mariners that failed to rescue Arvedui and the palantíri of Amon Sûl & Annúminas (and an Elf with a beard --- WRONG!):

++ Círdan

[Alcarillo]

Amen, Arry!

++Cirdan

[Kath]

Hmm well, it appears that there is little support for Hama in this neck of the woods so

- - HAMA ++Cirdan

[Folwren]

--Pippin ++Cirdan

Cirdan is old and wants to go home. Peregrin is still young and adventurous. It'd be a crime to send him back so soon. This sort of stuff fits him like a glove.

-- Folwren

[Boromir88]

Votings closed, I'll tally em up.

[Boromir88]

Cirdan- 7
Treebeard- 5
Faramir- 5
Pippin- 2
Gollum- 1

Cirdan says bye-bye, it's not too bad, he already have a boat ready for his departure...It's like he yearned to leave.


Hobbits
Gollum
Lobelia Sackville-Baggins
Merry
Pippin

Men and Rohan Lady
Boromir
Eomer
Eowyn
Faramir
Hama

Wizards
Alatar
Pallando

Dwarves
Gimli
Gloin

Elves
Elrond
Galadriel
Glorfindel

Others
Quickbeam
Treebeard

Badguys
Grishnakh
Ugluk

I like Sauce's strategy in weakening the strongest group. So, I'm going to go for

++Faramir

After all he was a friend of Gandalf's. I would have gone for Hama, but he had the guts to stand up against Aragorn and was able to think for himself. Faramir was just seeking his dad's approval the whole time, and sucked up to Gandalf.

[Gil-Galad]

++Faramir


he got shot by an arrow that creep

[Folwren]

Originally posted by Gil-galad:
he got shot by an arrow that creep

Oh-ho! And that's a good reason, is it? I'll say that our reasons for kicking of Cirdan were bad, but nothing even close to that! Faramir was all nobleness in the books. And he only got shot by an arrow because of his unswerving bravery and selflessness. I daresay he could have escaped it, had he not gone back to help his men.

I say we should rid this island of Gollum! The beastly, sniveling thing is low down and dirty. Slimy, and (as someone said) book naked. Not a good thing to be running around with some girls still around. Possitively disgusting. And he eats babies.

Therefore, my vote, with good reasons given: ++Gollum

If you would like to argue with me that he ISN'T a good target to get rid of, then go ahead! I could write on and on for pages about how bad he is and how dangerous he is to every other player here!

-- Folwren

[The Perky Ent]

++Hama

Because he's dead, and I have nothing good to say about him!

[Lalaith]

Oh ok, I was going to go for Faramir but I'll back you on this Folwren, I was hoping to get rid of Stinker/Slinker a while back anyway.
++GOLLUM
Perhaps the tv company can pay for him to have some treatment for that personality disorder.

(Meanwhile I'm going to be looking very hard at some of the ageist rabble who voted Cirdan off. Oldest of all the elves of Middle Earth, he alone had seen the stars flicker over the lost waters of Cuivienen. He was wise and generous enough to give his Ring of Power to another who needed it more. And what do you lot do - vote him off like an unwanted mathom. Words fail me.)

[Gil-Galad]

--Faramir


++Hama

cause he got killed by a warg that creep

[The Saucepan Man]

I like Sauce's strategy in weakening the strongest group.Come on folks, there's far to many in the Men tribe.

Faramir said that he would not pick up the Ring of he saw it lying in the road. Well, that's just great. He would just leave it for the next Orc or Ringwraith that happened to wander along. He is clearly not a strategic thinker. The island can do without his kind of "high and mighty" avoidance of responsibility.

++ FARAMIR

Hama's cool. He stood up to Aragorn (another goody-two-shoes).

Edit: Hama did not get killed by "that Warg creep". He died valiantly in the Battle of the Hornburg. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm basing my decisions on the book.

[Pallando]

Still voting for Gollum. ++Gollum

[Firefoot]

I'm telling you, Treebeard.

Check out this anagram: Bad, er... tree. Doesn't that say it all?

++Treebeard.

Besides, Faramir's a good guy to have around - he boosts everyone's morals. And Gollum catches more fish to eat than everyone else combined (you just have to ask nicely, or, barring that, beg). And Hama's just a generally helpful guy! But Treebeard doesn't do any of those things... by the time he finally decides to do something to help, someone else has already done it.

[Glirdan]

I'm done with the elimination of the Elves, for now. I will go and jump on the bandwagon.

++Gollum

He's talking to himself again. It's really creepy. Not to mention he's pretty much in the nude!!! :eek: That's almost as bad as Gandalf uncloaked!!!

[Alcarillo]

++Gollum

Sure he catches fish very well, but he eats them raw! And all he wears is a loincloth! And he talks to himself, which I hear gets very annoying when the rest of his tribe is trying to sleep. Plus, his name is simply an anagram of mug lol. Only a crazy person would laugh at a perfectly ordinary coffee mug.

[mormegil]

++Treebeard.

I would rather have a hasty ent around

[Anguirel]

I'm really, really, bitter about Cirdan.

But I like the Faramir/Eowyn romance too much to lose it...and I want to make good my promise about Treebeard and novelty pencils.

++TREEBEARD

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

But I do not like the Faramir/Eowyn romance

++Faramir

[Celuien]

Sticking with yesterday's vote:

++TREEBEARD

[The Saucepan Man]

I really don't understand why you are all so willing to vote off one of only two surviving members in the "Others" tribe. And one of the most useful of the Survivors too. Think about it. They are on a tropical island. Lots of trees. Those who can communicate with the trees, and quite possibly persuade them to make themselves useful, are valuable members of the community.

But really, we should be aiming to keep things even between the tribes, since it will make for a much more exciting climax to the show. So a vote for a member of the "Men" tribe should be the only option.

By all means, choose whichever member you like the least. My choice is Faramir, although I would be happy to see the back of Eomer (no, not that Eomer ;) ), because I find "perfect" contestants dull to watch in these kinds of shows. Boromir and Eowyn have "character" and I like Hama for standing up to the "high and mighty" (and incredibly presumptuous) Aragorn. But, whoever we vote off, it should be one of that tribe.

Then we can look at the Hobbits tomorrow. Gollum makes great viewing but, given the options, I would probably have to vote for him.

Edit: The Faramir/Eowyn romance thing is a red herring. Much more interesting to vote off Faramir and see what else may develop ... :D

[the guy who be short]

++Hama for being a liar.

[Formendacil]

Clearly, Faramir has to go.

There are reasons other than the fact that the Man-Tribe needs culling, reasons that direct us to him, rather than, say, Hama.

Think about it. This Faramir is obviously a bad apple. Look at what his father says about him:

"He's no son of mine! Just a wizard's pupil!"

Or his mother:

"Bearing him was the death of me. I just couldn't take it."

Or his brother:

"I didn't dare let him go to Rivendell, even if he got the message more than me. He simply didn't have what it takes."

Or Aragorn:

"Nice guy, but too quick at moving in on one's ladies..."

Or Beregond:

"I got banished from Minas Tirith because of him."

Or Frodo:

"I was blindfolded and kept in a cave."

Or Sam:

"He blindfolded Mr. Frodo, and kept him in a cave!"

Or Sauron:

"Nasty bugger."

Clearly, the overwhelming evidence is that this Faramir is not the nicest of guys. What's more, evidence from those in his tribe is that he doesn't do his share of the work:

Boromir: "Doesn't help with the major tasks, like bringing in the Immunity Ring."

Eomer: "He follows my sister around all the time."

Eowyn: "He follows me around all the time."

Hama: "He keeps longing for 'Minas Tirith in all it's glory'. Doesn't do much work. Claims he was sick, something about the Black Breath. All it took to wake him up though, was the scent of supper."

Clearly, Faramir is a worthy target, deserving of his lynch... er, removal.

++Faramir

[Anguirel]

Clearly, Faramir has to go.

There are reasons other than the fact that the Man-Tribe needs culling, reasons that direct us to him, rather than, say, Hama.

Think about it. This Faramir is obviously a bad apple. Look at what his father says about him:

"He's no son of mine! Just a wizard's pupil!"

Or his mother:

"Bearing him was the death of me. I just couldn't take it."

Or his brother:

"I didn't dare let him go to Rivendell, even if he got the message more than me. He simply didn't have what it takes."

Or Aragorn:

"Nice guy, but too quick at moving in on one's ladies..."

Or Beregond:

"I got banished from Minas Tirith because of him."

Or Frodo:

"I was blindfolded and kept in a cave."

Or Sam:

"He blindfolded Mr. Frodo, and kept him in a cave!"

Or Sauron:

"Nasty bugger."

Clearly, the overwhelming evidence is that this Faramir is not the nicest of guys. What's more, evidence from those in his tribe is that he doesn't do his share of the work:

Boromir: "Doesn't help with the major tasks, like bringing in the Immunity Ring."

Eomer: "He follows my sister around all the time."

Eowyn: "He follows me around all the time."

Hama: "He keeps longing for 'Minas Tirith in all it's glory'. Doesn't do much work. Claims he was sick, something about the Black Breath. All it took to wake him up though, was the scent of supper."

Clearly, Faramir is a worthy target, deserving of his lynch... er, removal.

++Faramir

From Mutton, Pervis and Grunte, lawyers in chief to the Prince of Ithilien.

Our client denies all charges. He dismisses his father's testimony on grounds of mental instability.

His mother's as libel originating from a slanderous mistranslation of the Sindarin sentence "I want a divorce."

His brother's on grounds of jealousy at his superior degree from Dol Amroth University.

He suggests that Aragorn should not have more than one lady anyway, and that perhaps the Queen of Gonder should be notified.

He points out that Beregond has been alloted a cushy ceremonial job, a generous pension, and a deer-park as compensation.

He explains that he was playing a lively game of Murder in the Dark with the Hobbits. (Sam did it, naturally.)

He is prepared to sue Sauron's legatees over the charge of homosexuality.

He asserts that Eomer is envious and Eowyn appreciative of his advances.

And he reminds Mr Formendacil that at the time he is claimed to have made his testimony, Hama was probably dead and certainly nowhere near Gondor.

[The Saucepan Man]

Pay heed to Formendacil. He talks much sense.

Another opinion of Faramir:

Random dead Haradrim: Join the army, the poster said. See the world. Get your Mumakil Handling Licence and learn how to avoid being stomped on when it runs amok. Seemed like a good idea at the time. But what happens? They force us to march all the way from sunny Harad to gloomy Gondor under threat of death or worse, only for me to get shot by some green-clad geezer in tights under Faramir's command as soon as I get there. What thought did he give to my name or where I came from? When did he ever consider what lies or threats led me there on my long march from home? No, it took a lowly Hobbit to consider such weighty issues. This man cares not who he kills.

So there we have it. Solid evidence against the soppy Daddy's boy, if ever I heard it. :p ;)

[Anguirel]

Faramir takes full credit for any and all pacifist subtexts within the Lord of the Rings. He refers his accusers to Mr Peter Jackson's portrayal, of which he knows at least one is a renowned supporter...

He reminds you that he does not love the sharp sword for its brightness, but does love the acute pen for its capacity to force you to pay massive libel damages...

[The Saucepan Man]

Another reason to vote for Faramir. He clearly is incapable of speaking for himself, but has to hire second rate lawyers (lawyers - ugh! ;) ) to speak for him. Which is a breach of his Survivor contract, in any event ... :p

[Anguirel]

Steady on, sir. Second-rate? I think this may be grounds for a duel!

*Thump goes the gauntlet*

[Boromir88]

Votings closed, I'll tally em up.

[Boromir88]

Gollum- 5
Treebeard- 4
Faramir- 4
Hama- 3

Au Revoir to our buddy Gollum. Every episode the person who does all the work, catches all the food, for the whole tribe always ends up getting voted off, because he's too strong a competitor.



Hobbits
Lobelia Sackville-Baggins
Merry
Pippin

Men and Rohan Lady
Boromir
Eomer
Eowyn
Faramir
Hama

Wizards
Alatar
Pallando

Dwarves
Gimli
Gloin

Elves
Elrond
Galadriel
Glorfindel

Others
Quickbeam
Treebeard

Badguys
Grishnakh
Ugluk

++Faramir

What I said yesterday and what's been added by Formendacil and Sauce.

[arcticstorm]

++Faramir

[malkatoj]

(Sorry about joining this thread so late in it, I just discovered it. Hope I don't mess anything up too horribly.)

I think that Galadriel clearly needs to die, simply because of her movie portrayal. Sure, she's an elf and has magical...talents, I guess. But nobody should be able to speak without moving her mouth. Because of this habit, she always looks like she's about to eat the other characters, and for some reason I wouldn't be particularly surprised if that happened. Adding to this that she gave Frodo the light...which allowed Sam to make a fool of himself while trying to get rid of Shelob...it was a generally bad idea and they would have gotten more use out of something like 'more food'. For these reasons, I cast my vote for

++Galadriel

[mormegil]

I will be voting for Elrond now because of his retreat, the man, elf that is, left poor Gil-galad to die. He let his wife leave to Valinor and didn't go with her, essentially abandoning her and he's raised some no-good kids. Plus and most importantly he's lazy and always has everybody else do the work for him. Frodo for example. "Hey Frodo since I failed to get Isildur to cast the ring into Mt. Doom, do you think you could do it for me? You could? Great! I will sit here doing nothing and await your return. What's that Gondor is going to be crushed?....Meh"

Thoughtless and careless. A true drain on the tribe

++Elrond

[Gil-Galad]

++Elrond


now i'm dead because of him, good point Morm

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Faramir

I cannot make a better argument than those of Formendacil.

But i am going to ad this : I belive Faramir is picking up some of those Identety Stealing habbits of Eowyn.

Ergo Faramir must go ! ! !

[Lalaith]

There I was, all set to vote for Faramir, Formendacil really said it all - but then mormegil really has made an excellent case against Elrond.
I shall wait and vote tactically.

[Celuien]

++FARAMIR

His name is an anagram of air farm. Anyone who runs a farm to grow air has to be cracked and in need of a nice long rest back in Minas Tirith.

[The Saucepan Man]

Faramir should clearly have been disqualified yesterday.

While all of the other contestants were busying themselves about camp with their daily tasks and allowing viewers to form their own opinions, Faramir was more concerned with hiring a (second-rate :p ) lawyer in an effort to persuade, cajole and bully viewers into not voting for him.

That's cheating in my book. He must go today.

++ FARAMIR

By the way, Boro, when there are only three Survivors left, do we get to vote for the one that we think should win?

[Formendacil]

Once again, I must vote:

++Faramir

For all the reasons above, and adding to them the reasons below. Here we now have the testimony of members of the OTHER tribes:

Pippin (on behalf of the Hobbits): "Faramir's a pretty hesitant guy. He promised to help out the Hobbit tribe one time, but he pulled back. Said that he didn't dare go across the road. Sent Frodo and Sam alone with nothing but walking sticks and grape nuts. Cheap walking sticks too. They didn't even make it to Mordor before the lousy things broke. Secretly, I think Faramir was trying too hard to impress all the wrong people."

Pallando (For the Istari Tribe): "I've spent quite a few years in the East and South, working undercover against Sauron, and I've heard nothing but bad things about this Faramir. He's a butcher of the first order, killing off innocent victims of Sauron's cruelty. Furthermore, he's wanted by SPCA for his criminal actions against Oliphaunts. And I've heard reports that he wanted to be Gandalf's pupil. That's really a major strike against him. Gandalf's a terribly useless old geezer, and all that uncloaking... I won't say why I think Faramir was attracted to him.

Gimli (speaking on behalf of the Dwarves): "Faramir seems like a very sickly fellow. The first time I ever saw him was in the Houses of Healing. He seemed well enough, if a bit pale. Looked like a man who'd never done much outside, the kind that likes to avoid work. What's more, the timing of his illness is remarkably suspect. Furthermore, someone as devoted as he was to the "Old Days" of Minas Tirith would be bad news for the Dwarves. Until King Elessar, Dwarves were hardly ever welcomed in the Seven-Circled City.

Galadriel (speaking for the Elves): "He's a very uninformed man. He believes the legends about the Golden Wood being a place of peril, but tries to have the best of both worlds while claiming to envy those who have spoken with Elves. He is clearly a xenophobe, however, because if he really wanted to meet Elves, all he would have to do is go up Anduin. It's not a long journey. Furthermore, notice which son of Denethor actually ends up going to Rivendell? Not Faramir. Personally, I believe that Faramir has an Anti-Elven complex.

Treebeard (speaking for the "Others): "He is a very hasty creature, this Faramir-ling. Always rushing about and working himself up into a very sweaty mess. All this flitting about Ithilien, Cair Andros, Minas Tirith, Osgiliath, and other such Gondorian places is not good for little one. He does not think things through, but makes decisions like sending away Rings of Power or to insanely hold the line in Osgiliath without barely the hesitation that a second's worth of time would bring. A most hasty little human."

Ugluk (for the Bad Guys): "Manflesh! He is weak, and deserves only to be crushed under the heel of Saruman's might!"

[Alcarillo]

++Elrond

All he does is mope about Arwen and Aragorn. And his wife. And he stole Vilya from Gil-Galad when he wasn't looking.

[The Perky Ent]

++Eomer

Because I don't like band-wagoing (in this case, for Faramir) . He doubts Merry and Eowyn. Sure he helps out in the tribe, but let us not forget that i was a seer once, and I forsaw that Eomer was the werewolf of the island!

[Firefoot]

But I could go for ++Elrond. I'd rather get rid of Treebeard, but that seems to be a lost cause.

Elrond just knows too much - it gives him an unfair edge over the other players.

[Anguirel]

Sigh. Faramir against Elrond. So difficult. Elrond was Maglor's forster-son and is one of three Elves left...

But Faramir is me!

We need a third candidate. I'm amazed Ugluk is still here, personally. Please, Elf and Faramir supporters alike, change your votes to Ugluk.

He won't be commanding much longer.

++UGLUK

[The Perky Ent]

--Eomer++Ugluk

I am Ugluk. I command

I mean, seriously! Who does this guy think he is? He can't just push us around! He keeps picking up the hobbits, and it's starting to creep me out. Cast him into the abyss!

[Boromir88]

By the way, Boro, when there are only three Survivors left, do we get to vote for the one that we think should win?~Saucepan Man
I hadn't planned it, but that sounds like a good idea to me.

Votes...

Faramir- 6
Elrond- 4
Ugluk- 2
Galadriel- 1

[Lalaith]

I didn't follow your vote as promised in werewolf, Anguirel, so as a small recompense I will follow you now.

++Ugluk

[arcticstorm]

finally someone is beginning to take my day 1 observations seriously about those two orcs, yes I voted for the other one on day 1, but we just need to get rid of both of them, they are causing too much dissention in the camp. therfore I will change my vote --Faramir ++Ugluk

[malkatoj]

Well, looking back, mormegil's reasoning for voting for Elrond is much more...reasonable...than my reasons for voting for Galadriel, after all, a little personal annoyance shouldn't stop her from surviving.

I change my vote: --Galadriel , ++Elrond

[The Saucepan Man]

There are five remaining in the Man tribe. Five! Count 'em. That's two more than any other tribe. They cannot be allowed to dominate the show.

Vote the soppy cheat off today, and I will be willing to consider any reasonable requests for assistance in future days.

And surely you cannot be so blind as to vote off one of the few people on the island who actually gets things done. He is Ugluk. He commands. His methods may be rather unorthodox, but his results are impressive. If it wasn't for his disciplined regime and strict rota, the remaining Survivors would be lounging about all day achieving precisely nothing.

Besides, we can't have no bad guys in the final. How dull would that be? I want to see a re-match between him and Eomer and see how the Strawhead matches up withut his Rohan buddies to back him up.

[arcticstorm]

OK Saucepan, I will change my vote back to --Ugluk++Faramir if only to, in the very least, save the Lord Elrond.

[The Saucepan Man]

Good man, and a noble cause.

If you want to get rid of one of the Orcs, I am quite happy to vote for the sly, devious one with the bad breath. But not the proud, self-confident one with the can-do attitude.

[Anguirel]

To me the Orc killed is entirely immaterial. We have a deal.

--UGLUK, ++GRISHNAKH

[The Saucepan Man]

Er - the deal only comes into effect once Faramir is gone. :p

Hey, just imagine he's film Faramir. ;)

[Anguirel]

Blast you, Saucie. Now I'll have to find the character you identify with most, and lead a campaign against them. Perhaps they've already gone...

Oh and

--GRISHNAKH, ++UGLUK

I liked even film Faramir, after the Extended Editions...

[Thinlómien]

++Elrond
He's quite boring.

[mormegil]

++Elrond
He's quite boring.

That just about sums him up doesn't it. Ratings go down everytime an Elrond segment is aired. Let's get rid of him. I urge all fence sitters to go after him.

[Anguirel]

mormegil, Elves obviously make you feel insecure...

[mormegil]

mormegil, Elves obviously make you feel insecure...

Nay, rather the mormegil sees elves as instruments that I can use to accomplish my objectives. :smokin:

[the guy who be short]

Dear Spaghetti Monster, what are you people doing?! Faramir? Faramir? Mr Let-the-Hobbits-go? Mister I-don't-want-the-Ring? Mister Lord-of-Men's-Hearts?

Stop the madness. ++Ugluk.

[Kath]

++ELROND

The man leads a double life for goodness sake! And we know he's baddy in one of them, why not the other?

[WaynetheGoblin]

++elrond Im at school right now and it sucks. :D

[Anguirel]

Interesting products of research. It seems that those with little to say for themselves tend to conform to the elf-bashing standard, while giving insufficient reasons for so doing...

[Nonnacedak]

++Elrond :-)

[Glirdan]

Just to hop on the bandwagon and because I don't have time to look throught the votes..

++Elrond

If you're wondering at my disspaperence, it's because my computer was on the fritz all day yesterday and I had school this morning and I didn't get home until about twenty minutes ago, so.....

[Folwren]

I don't think I need to vote this round.

-- Folwren

[Boromir88]

I'm going to close voting, but I'm running late enough as it is. Glirdan, Folwren...someone mind tallying the votes and starting the next day. Thanks. ;)

I'm late, I'm late!!! :p

[Glirdan]

Sounds good Boro. Everyone just give me a sec, but I'm pretty sure we know who's going...

[Glirdan]

Votes are:

Faramir- 6
Elrond- 10
Ugluk- 4

Well, it looks like the Elven race is being eliminated. What have we started!?!?
Remaining contestants are:

Hobbits
Lobelia Sackville-Baggins
Merry
Pippin

Men and Rohan Lady
Boromir
Eomer
Eowyn
Faramir
Hama

Wizards
Alatar
Pallando

Dwarves
Gimli
Gloin

Elves
Galadriel
Glorfindel

Others
Quickbeam
Treebeard

Badguys
Grishnakh
Ugluk

Vote away!!!

[The Perky Ent]

++Faramir


Because this whole 'Lynch Faramir' is just getting on my nerves. Let's just throw him off the island and be done with it!

[Formendacil]

Alright, people.

We have a problem. The Elves are being voted off the island, and the Men are sitting there laughing.

Enough of this Faramir-fighting! I propose a direct attack at the secretive tribe at the centre of the island, by removing the heart of their resistance:

++Eowyn

"So what's it going to be, Faramir?" I ask rhetorically. "Will you die in her place?"

[Gil-Galad]

++Boromir


just cause i said so

[Celuien]

++Eowyn

I don't think Faramir would be willing to go in her place. And I have other hidden reasons for my vote... :smokin:

[mormegil]

Having so many elves eliminated

Celeborn
Cirdan
Thanduril
Elrond

makes me feel that Samwise has now been somewhat vindicated. My purpose was to get revenge upon those who took out my Samwise. Now I hope to be much more agreeable. :D

But I will thin out men a bit with my vote too and go

++FARAMIR

[The Saucepan Man]

++ FARAMIR of course!

Now he's being divisive amongst his own tribe and getting people to vote for the other members, just to save his own skin. His wife and brother no less! The man has no shame! :eek:

Oh and, Formendacil. What's going on? Has he got to you too? Come on, get (back) with the programme ... ;)

[The Perky Ent]

Long years now choose how farmers arose right among mingled inhanced rings!


Please don't stop to think about the words, just repeat them in your head, and then lynch the person who comes to mind!


10 points to the person who gets the message! It's really not that hard

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

My reasons are not at all hidden, but i will not repeat them!

++Eowyn

[Celuien]

Long years now choose how farmers arose right among mingled inhanced rings!


The message is "Lynch Faramir," of course, discovered by taking the first letter of each word.

But I can't do it today (I'd be happy to do so tomorrow), unless there is another vote change. As I said, there are other considerations which I'm not sure I should discuss yet...

[The Perky Ent]

And ten points for Celuien! Only 5,472,997,634,815,162,342 more points, and you can be my partner in crime for my take over of Middle Earth!
Lynch Faramir! Because you know you want too!


Oh, and no subliminal messages in those numbers either ;)

[Formendacil]

++ FARAMIR of course!

Now he's being divisive amongst his own tribe and getting people to vote for the other members, just to save his own skin. His wife and brother no less! The man has no shame! :eek:

Oh and, Formendacil. What's going on? Has he got to you too? Come on, get (back) with the programme ... ;)

Well, my idea was that if people are protecting Faramir, they'd be even more protective about Eowyn (who despite her soppy qualities is far better than he), but that appears not to be the case.

Which, I guess makes Faramir all more the worth the elimination, if he can subvert the minds of those around us, even as his worst qualities are presented (except maybe for that waves fetish of his...).

So, I guess:

-- Eowyn

++Faramir

[Folwren]

Oh, come on! Why vote for Faramir? He is completely pure! He didn't even ask to see the Ring when he found out what Frodo bore. He was kind enough to Gollum...and he was awesomely stern. He played a great part in the books. He reminds me of my older brother somewhat. Therefore, if ye kill him, I might get rather mad.

Why are you so set and determined to get Faramir off anyway, Saucey? Do you have a particular problem with him being here?

There is NO reason to rid this island of Faramir! Up till now, the elvse have been the ones being removed. People's main argument for doing that is because they're worthless...or stupid...or lazy...but you can not possibly apply any of those things to Faramir!

I've seen that there has been some 'lawyer work' here, but, being directly connected to a lawyer, and I'm not kidding (dad a lawyer, brother studying to be one...secretary of one), I'm quite willing to take the defending attorney's job. If I fail, I will go home complaining 'of the jurry being bribed', thing commonly seen now adays.

Bring up your prosucutions, Mr. Prosecutor! I'm ready.

-- Folwren

[Glirdan]

I'm going to vote for

++Ugluk

The fighting with Grishnakh is getting on my nerves.

[Firefoot]

++Faramir

Just because it's preferable to Éowyn - I mean, there's only three women left, we've got to give them a shot... and I don't like movie Faramir.

Tomorrow, I'm going back to Treebeard.

[Formendacil]

There is NO reason to rid this island of Faramir! Up till now, the elvse have been the ones being removed. People's main argument for doing that is because they're worthless...or stupid...or lazy...but you can not possibly apply any of those things to Faramir!

I've seen that there has been some 'lawyer work' here, but, being directly connected to a lawyer, and I'm not kidding (dad a lawyer, brother studying to be one...secretary of one), I'm quite willing to take the defending attorney's job. If I fail, I will go home complaining 'of the jurry being bribed', thing commonly seen now adays.

Bring up your prosucutions, Mr. Prosecutor! I'm ready.

-- Folwren

I'll fill in as Assistant Prosecutor here...

As regards your charges that Faramir is neither "worthless, stupid, or lazy", I again draw your attention to the evidence of his father, whose word as Steward of Gondor is nearly unimpeachable, that is, in fact, all three.

However, since you seem to choose to disregard the evidence of His Excellency, the Steward of Gondor, I would like to point out that the actions of Faramir in dealing with the One Ring does, in fact, smack of stupidity. As you note, he doesn't even ask to see the Ring, but sends it off with Frodo. Those of us with 20/20 hindsight can see that this was ultimately the wise thing to do, but even Gandalf admits that the course of Denethor- the course that Faramir was bound to follow as an officer of the Gondorian army- was the prudent course. Faramir was stupidly disobeying his orders, and doing so for stupid reasons: "The Hobbits said that Gandalf said it was better."

That's the charge of not being stupid. Next, the charge of not being lazy.

Faramir was most definitely lazy. As his actions during the War of the Ring will show, he allowed his brother, the much needed Captain-General of Gondor, to make the 100-day journey to Rivendell while he remained in a three day radius of the White City. Next, we present as evidence his reluctance at taking command of the men in Osgiliath, when he was, as Denethor noted, the most logical choice for command. Finally, although we have no EVIDENCE of a dereliction of duty, one will note that he was conspicuous among the prominent commanders of the Western alliance in his absence at both the Field of Pelennor and the Black Gate.

And then for worthless...

Worthless is a subjective term, and isn't one that can be made based so much on one person's decisions, but on the decisions of others concerning him. But take note of those who knew him well:

Boromir, although Faramir claims he was close to him, makes not a mention of him from Rivendell to his death, although he mentions his father several times. Denethor, as already noted, DOES indeed think him worthless. His wife-to-be, Eowyn, only accepts him as a second-best choice. Aragorn is so unconcerned with him, that he does not dispense with his chief rival, but goes so far as to make him prince, and his steward to boot. If he were concerned at all about him, he'd have the sense to make a less well-connected man, like Hurin of the Keys, his steward.

Clearly, his IS lazy, stupid, and worthless. He ought to be removed.

[Alcarillo]

*sigh*

I know it's useless against these anti-Faramir-people, but I'll vote out

++Ugluk

And how can you people be voting for Faramir when there are orcs still running amok?

[Formendacil]

And how can you people be voting for Faramir when there are orcs still running amok?

Hey, at least Ugluk is neither stupid nor lazy. He shows, indeed, a remarkable work ethic and a certain practical intelligence. As to whether he is worthless... well, that is a subjective comment. And look at those around him: Saruman thought him MOST full of worth.

[Koneko]

*scowls* Two elves? Not good. Not good at all. ++ Faramir. Galadriel and Glorfindel must be protected!

[The Saucepan Man]

Why are you so set and determined to get Faramir off anyway, Saucey? Do you have a particular problem with him being here?Yes.

Formendacil has stated the book case, which is a powerful one.

But let's face it, we are voting for contestants in a tropical island based reality show here. We should be judging them on their deeds on the island, how suited they are to their environment and how entertaining they are to us the viewers, not their past deeds (glorious, indifferent or otherwise).

Faramir makes dull viewing. Plain and simple. And he's not as pure as you would wish him to be. He has now hired two lawyers in a blatant attempt to influence the voting. A clear breach of the rules of the game. He is most undeserving of the prize. That would send out all the wrong kinds of messages.

Assuming that Faramir goes (and it really is about time that he did), anyone else who shares my interest in keeping this show exciting should be looking to keep the tribes fairly evenly matched. Then it will come down to a straight fight between them in the final days. So that means voting off another "Man" tomorrow, and then a Hobbit the following day.

Oh, and if your going to vote for an Orc, at least have the good sense to vote for the dishonourable one. :rolleyes: As Orcs go, Ugluk is a diamond geezer. :D

[Lalaith]

Well I'll go for
++Ugluk
for now, but I thought the deal was that we'd do Grishnakh today? I'd prefer to lose him first, I must say *whispers* you know, halitosis and armpit issues.

[Boromir88]

++Faramir

Plus he stalks Eowyn.

Votes-

Faramir- 7
Ugluk- 3
Eowyn- 2
Boromir- 1

[Folwren]

Your honor, if I may...thank you.

However, since you seem to choose to disregard the evidence of His Excellency, the Steward of Gondor, I would like to point out that the actions of Faramir in dealing with the One Ring does, in fact, smack of stupidity. As you note, he doesn't even ask to see the Ring, but sends it off with Frodo. Those of us with 20/20 hindsight can see that this was ultimately the wise thing to do, but even Gandalf admits that the course of Denethor- the course that Faramir was bound to follow as an officer of the Gondorian army- was the prudent course. Faramir was stupidly disobeying his orders, and doing so for stupid reasons: "The Hobbits said that Gandalf said it was better."

Faramir was wise beyond your comprehension, evidently.

When he first met Frodo, he took him captive because he didn't have time to decide then and there. They talked about it some after the battle before going to his cave. During that short talk, he realized that Frodo's quest was something more than a hobbit's walking party and this was serious. He made a promise to Frodo somehwere in that time period (I can't remember if it was during the questioning or their walk) that he would not pick up the thing even if lay by the road side.
Later, when Sam let it slip that it was the Ring, Faramir realized just how powerful this thing that Frodo bore was. He'd heard the old tales and understood. What is more, Sam had pretty much told him what happened to Boromir. Knowing Boromir, Faramir knew immediately what he had fallen into with all the envy and lust for the thing. He had no desire to see it because he knew it wouldn't do any good for him, and it would only cause a lot of harm.

And he did not take the Hobbits back to Gondor because if he did, his father would get his nasty hands on the Ring and then everybody would fall. He knew his father, and he knew his pride. If he had taken the hobbits back to Minas Tirith, Middle-Earth would have been doomed. You know that as a fact! Faramir had no other choice than to do what he did! It was a difficult decision to make, and he made the best that he possibly could.

Faramir was most definitely lazy. As his actions during the War of the Ring will show, he allowed his brother, the much needed Captain-General of Gondor, to make the 100-day journey to Rivendell while he remained in a three day radius of the White City. Next, we present as evidence his reluctance at taking command of the men in Osgiliath, when he was, as Denethor noted, the most logical choice for command. Finally, although we have no EVIDENCE of a dereliction of duty, one will note that he was conspicuous among the prominent commanders of the Western alliance in his absence at both the Field of Pelennor and the Black Gate.

Oh, look it up! That's worse than your first accusation against him! He DID offer to go to Rivendel...he wanted to! But Boromir said he wanted to, and we all know which of the sons Denethor liked better! Faramir offered himself...he understood the dreams best, he should have gone! And then the Fellowship might not have split!

Also, he was quite unable to go onto the Field of Pelennor or to the Black Gate considering that he was on death's doorstep. He got wounded at the very beginning of battle, if you'll recall.

Worthless is a subjective term, and isn't one that can be made based so much on one person's decisions, but on the decisions of others concerning him. But take note of those who knew him well:

Boromir, although Faramir claims he was close to him, makes not a mention of him from Rivendell to his death, although he mentions his father several times. Denethor, as already noted, DOES indeed think him worthless. His wife-to-be, Eowyn, only accepts him as a second-best choice. Aragorn is so unconcerned with him, that he does not dispense with his chief rival, but goes so far as to make him prince, and his steward to boot. If he were concerned at all about him, he'd have the sense to make a less well-connected man, like Hurin of the Keys, his steward.

How many warriors of that time do you know that mentioned their brothers and/or sisters on journeys like that? Sam only mentioned one of his sisters, and he had several. Aragorn didn't talk about his people very much. He mentioned his Father because his Father just happened to be the head person in Minas Tirith at the time. I'll warrant you that if his father was just some random Captain of the Guard, then he wouldn't have been mentioned too many times.

Eowyn accepts him because she realizes that she was loving a shadow and a dream. She didn't really love Aragorn...she loved the Kingship and the Glory. Faramir was an awesome man...strong, smart, calm, patient, gentle, though also a warrior. How could any woman not fall in love with him?

Aragorn chose him as his Steward because that was his rightful place, having been the son of the former Steward. (Therefore showing that he isn't worthless.)

Clearly, his is anything but lazy, stupid, and worthless. Faramir had better stay.

Faramir makes dull viewing. Plain and simple. And he's not as pure as you would wish him to be. He has now hired two lawyers in a blatant attempt to influence the voting. A clear breach of the rules of the game. He is most undeserving of the prize. That would send out all the wrong kinds of messages.

I can't help but laugh at you, Saucey. Don't you know? Only the best people have two lawyers!! :D

-- Folwren

[The Saucepan Man]

As I said, Faramir's past history counts for nought in this game. I'm judging him on his contribution to the show. And he's boring me rigid.

Only the best people have two lawyers!!Since when have reality show contestants been allowed to employ lawyers to plead their case and enhance their prospects in the game? It's like allowing someone to take a panel of experts onto Who Wants To Be A Millionaire to answer the questions for them. :rolleyes:

I am yet to hear any defence to the charge that he is guilty of first degree cheating.

[mormegil]

--Faramir

++Ugluk

[Kath]

Since when have reality show contestants been allowed to employ lawyers to plead their case and enhance their prospects in the game?
But Sauce, what evidence do we have that Faramir actually hired these laywers? They may have just wanted glory for themselves, or an anti-Faramir person might have hired them in order to create the illusion that Faramir was cheating?

Until this reasonable doubt has been cleared from my mind my vote will go to

++UGLUK

[The Saucepan Man]

But Sauce, what evidence do we have that Faramir actually hired these laywers? They may have just wanted glory for themselves, or an anti-Faramir person might have hired them in order to create the illusion that Faramir was cheating?They have held themselves out as representing him and he has issued no denial. That's good enough for me.

All these sudden votes for Ugluk are mighty suspicious. I suspect dark, manipulative forces moving in the background. And I suspect Faramir to be at the centre of it. This man is more devious than even I had taken him for. Can you not see that he is taking you all for fools?

If Faramir doesn't go today, I'm switching off and not watching any more. :mad:

(Hehe. I occasionally look over the UK Big Brother forums when the show is on and people are always saying things like this. Yet they keep watching and wasting their money voting ... :rolleyes: :D )

[Kath]

How can he issue a denial when to appear here would be another example of breaking the rules? He would accused of trying to influence people!

[The Saucepan Man]

How can he issue a denial when to appear here would be another example of breaking the rules? He would accused of trying to influence people!Well, clearly it would be were such a denial issued on his behalf now, after the issue has been raised. :p

A fog has cleared from my eyes and matters have become clearer to me. It is apparent that the Faramir Supporters (no doubt under Faramir's malign influence) have thrown their lot in with the Anti-Elvish Alliance. No doubt, the condition required by the Alliance for their support is a concerted move against the Elves on the morrow.

I call on all Elf supporters wherever you may be to vote for Faramir now. If you do this thing, I pledge myself to oppose the push to wipe out the Elves that will inevitably come tomorrow.

Note the public declaration. In contrast to the sinister Faramir Posse, I am not one for sly, secretive deals. :p ;)

[Anguirel]

The Elf Conservation Trust loves Machiavellian politics...

++UGLUK

[The Saucepan Man]

Well you can kiss goodbye to your precious Elves then ...

You don't know what your getting yourself into, throwing your lot in with the Dark Prince of Ithilien. :eek:

[Thinlómien]

I had really problems with making the desicion between Faramir (boring too perfect superhero) and Uglúk(an idiot orc), but I ended up with ++Ugluk, when I read that Saucie will join the anti-elvish camp, if Faramir is voted for the next to go... :p

[Formendacil]

Your honor, if I may...thank you.

Faramir was wise beyond your comprehension, evidently.

When he first met Frodo, he took him captive because he didn't have time to decide then and there. They talked about it some after the battle before going to his cave. During that short talk, he realized that Frodo's quest was something more than a hobbit's walking party and this was serious. He made a promise to Frodo somehwere in that time period (I can't remember if it was during the questioning or their walk) that he would not pick up the thing even if lay by the road side.
Later, when Sam let it slip that it was the Ring, Faramir realized just how powerful this thing that Frodo bore was. He'd heard the old tales and understood. What is more, Sam had pretty much told him what happened to Boromir. Knowing Boromir, Faramir knew immediately what he had fallen into with all the envy and lust for the thing. He had no desire to see it because he knew it wouldn't do any good for him, and it would only cause a lot of harm.

And he did not take the Hobbits back to Gondor because if he did, his father would get his nasty hands on the Ring and then everybody would fall. He knew his father, and he knew his pride. If he had taken the hobbits back to Minas Tirith, Middle-Earth would have been doomed. You know that as a fact! Faramir had no other choice than to do what he did! It was a difficult decision to make, and he made the best that he possibly could.


Conjecture! Your Honour, we are dealing with FACTS, not with random conjecture. The fact is that Faramir DID in fact let the One Ring slip by, in direct contravention of his Lord's will, as well as being the most reckless move one could make in a war that his people were already losing terribly. It's all very well to say that in the end it was better, the fact is that at the time of occurrence, this action was reckless and disobedient.

Oh, look it up! That's worse than your first accusation against him! He DID offer to go to Rivendel...he wanted to! But Boromir said he wanted to, and we all know which of the sons Denethor liked better! Faramir offered himself...he understood the dreams best, he should have gone! And then the Fellowship might not have split!

Also, he was quite unable to go onto the Field of Pelennor or to the Black Gate considering that he was on death's doorstep. He got wounded at the very beginning of battle, if you'll recall.

Might I remind you that we only have Faramir's word for this- and of his brother Boromir in Rivendell. Boromir is well known for his affection for his brother, and would very likely have tried to present him in a better light. Again, I ask you to look at the FACTS. And the fact is that Faramir remained in Gondor while Boromir went to Rivendell.

How many warriors of that time do you know that mentioned their brothers and/or sisters on journeys like that? Sam only mentioned one of his sisters, and he had several. Aragorn didn't talk about his people very much. He mentioned his Father because his Father just happened to be the head person in Minas Tirith at the time. I'll warrant you that if his father was just some random Captain of the Guard, then he wouldn't have been mentioned too many times.

I am not saying that the others are any better! Note that Sam and Aragorn have already been removed. And furthermore, although Boromir does not mention Faramir- despite being as reputedly close to him as Sam to his Gaffer- he makes no mention of him, perhaps having nothing good to say, although he mentions his much-maligned father several times.

Eowyn accepts him because she realizes that she was loving a shadow and a dream. She didn't really love Aragorn...she loved the Kingship and the Glory. Faramir was an awesome man...strong, smart, calm, patient, gentle, though also a warrior. How could any woman not fall in love with him?

Not being a woman, I cannot answer that. However, history shows many records of men seducing or forcing women into their arms. As well as many records of women chosing to marry with no love on their part.

Would I be too brash, perhaps, to liken Faramir to Ar-Pharazon? I think not.

Aragorn chose him as his Steward because that was his rightful place, having been the son of the former Steward. (Therefore showing that he isn't worthless.)

Rightful place? The "right" to the title of steward was one granted by the King, and could be revoked by the King. If Aragorn had felt any political pressure from the son of the old ruling house, he would have revoked their title at any moment. Remember at the his coronation, Faramir handed over his staff- symbolic of his title- because he knew that the new king could take it any time he wished.

[quote=FolwrenClearly, he is anything but lazy, stupid, and worthless. Faramir had better stay.[/quote]

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury! You have seen the evidence from both sides of the floor, and it is unlikely that you will find this courtroom of one mind. But I should like to remind you of the consequences of keeping Faramir in this game!

This is the Middle-Earth Forum, and we are to abide by its rules. The Prime Directive of these rules is "humour". We are lawfully bound to amuse and entertain- and even to be random.

By keeping Faramir in this game, you are deliberately aiding and abetting this rule-breaking felon in his attempt to bring this game to a competition between men only. You will be upsetting the balance of the tribes no matter which way you choose otherwise. Unless you vote off another Man, the unpredictability and randomness, indeed the very humour, of this game will be broken.

The bloc defending Faramir right now is as unjust and selfish as the bloc that defended Celeborn. It is a self-righteous bloc determined to see their man win at all costs, regardless of whether the humour of this game suffers.

I beseech you all, therefore, to remove this unsightly blight on our game, and all vote for the removal of Faramir.

[The Saucepan Man]

but I ended up with ++Ugluk, when I read that Saucie will join the anti-elvish camp, if Faramir is voted for the next to go...See how he moves in malicious ways? The Sinister Steward has cast a web of deceit over your eyes. I actually pledged myself to support the Elves if Faramir goes today. :rolleyes:

(You know, with all this malign activity of his, I'm actually beginning to like Faramir. :eek: Perhaps I should appoint him an honorary Orc. ;) )

[Folwren]

I can swear to everyone right now this instant to help relieve fears - those who have attacked elves in the past will no longer do so. If an elf is taken off this island henceforth, it will not be due to those who took off Cirdan, Thranduil, or Celeborn. Mark my words.

-- Folwren

(The Defending Attorney will answer in a little while...)

[the guy who be short]

++Ugluk.

And you're all nutters for wanting to kill Faramir, by the way. ;)

[Folwren]

Conjecture! Your Honour, we are dealing with FACTS, not with random conjecture. The fact is that Faramir DID in fact let the One Ring slip by, in direct contravention of his Lord's will, as well as being the most reckless move one could make in a war that his people were already losing terribly. It's all very well to say that in the end it was better, the fact is that at the time of occurrence, this action was reckless and disobedient.

Disobedient to what? To a man who was half mad with the want of power! Faramir knew that his father was insane in his lust! Besides that, in law there is no such thing as 'at the time of occurance'. All that matters is the final outcome.
Besides that, if you want to press your case if disobedience, the take into mind that during War, different choices have to be made. A law has to have an exception, right? In order to be an actual law? That was an acception. This was a special case. Faramir didn't have time to run back home and ask the steward if he could let thse Hobbits go. He knew there wasn't any time to take them to Denethor, either. Time was running short. It was a War. It happens like that sometimes.

Might I remind you that we only have Faramir's word for this- and of his brother Boromir in Rivendell. Boromir is well known for his affection for his brother, and would very likely have tried to present him in a better light. Again, I ask you to look at the FACTS. And the fact is that Faramir remained in Gondor while Boromir went to Rivendell.

You disgust me.

'It was the Lord of the City that gave the errand to him.' -Faramir

'Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed for myself.' -Denethor

Denethor, who did not look kindly upon Faramir, nor wish to make him look good, said that it was he who had sent Boromir off on the errand. Faramir would have gone. He offered himself to go, but his father refused. These are facts.

I am not saying that the others are any better! Note that Sam and Aragorn have already been removed. And furthermore, although Boromir does not mention Faramir- despite being as reputedly close to him as Sam to his Gaffer- he makes no mention of him, perhaps having nothing good to say, although he mentions his much-maligned father several times.

Sam and Aragorn are gone due not to these things, but for certain persons likes or dislikes.
There was no occasion to mention Faramir, that is why. Simple reasoning. You keep stabbing me for not using Facts, but this is certainly something that is completely assumed. Anyone can see right through this argument.

Not being a woman, I cannot answer that. However, history shows many records of men seducing or forcing women into their arms. As well as many records of women chosing to marry with no love on their part.

Not in the history of the Shieldmaiden. I will remind you, Eowyn was no weakling and not one likely to be seduced or forced to do anything she didn't want to do in respect of that.
I know from personal experience (not my own experience...) that women who are about to marry someone they don't love don't act like Eowyn did. :p

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury! You have seen the evidence from both sides of the floor, and it is unlikely that you will find this courtroom of one mind. But I should like to remind you of the consequences of keeping Faramir in this game!

This is the Middle-Earth Forum, and we are to abide by its rules. The Prime Directive of these rules is "humour". We are lawfully bound to amuse and entertain- and even to be random.

By keeping Faramir in this game, you are deliberately aiding and abetting this rule-breaking felon in his attempt to bring this game to a competition between men only. You will be upsetting the balance of the tribes no matter which way you choose otherwise. Unless you vote off another Man, the unpredictability and randomness, indeed the very humour, of this game will be broken.

Ha! Deliberately aiding!

I'll remind you that anything I join in, it often because a debate. Take the Werewolf Game I played, Favorite Hobbits, and now this. Humour? I enjoy debating...it amuses me.

The bloc defending Faramir right now is as unjust and selfish as the bloc that defended Celeborn. It is a self-righteous bloc determined to see their man win at all costs, regardless of whether the humour of this game suffers.

You're not supposed to insult the opposing attorney! That goes totally against the laws of this court room.

I beseech you all, therefore, to remove this unsightly blight on our game, and all vote for the removal of Faramir.

I seriously don't mind another man being taken out, but why Faramir? Get Hama....he's more deserving of your dislikes.

The Jury will decide. Neither of us have the final say.

Faramir should stay, and by the looks of things, the people are agreeing with me.

-- Folwren

[arcticstorm]

++FAramir

[Celuien]

See how he moves in malicious ways? The Sinister Steward has cast a web of deceit over your eyes. I actually pledged myself to support the Elves if Faramir goes today. :rolleyes:

In that case...
--Eowyn
++Faramir

Eowyn will go another day.

[Folwren]

++Ugluk

He's hideously ugly, for one thing, and for another - he's an orc! What excuse could you possibly have to want to keep an orc around?

(Plus, I want to be sure Faramir's safe. :D)

-- Folwren

[Boromir88]

Oi I've gotten so busy lately. I won't be here Friday either, I'll be gone for most of the day, and Saturday into the afternoon. So, here's the votes, hope you don't mind starting late...

Ugluk just edges Faramir out 9-8...

Say bye-bye to another orc. People got fed up with him trying to control and run everything acting like he was the bigboss and he commanded. Faramir will go down, mark my words.


Hobbits
Lobelia Sackville-Baggins
Merry
Pippin

Men and Rohan Lady
Boromir
Eomer
Eowyn
Faramir
Hama

Wizards
Alatar
Pallando

Dwarves
Gimli
Gloin

Elves
Galadriel
Glorfindel

Others
Quickbeam
Treebeard

Badguys
Grishnakh

[mormegil]

I'm all for thinning out the man tribe but I think that we might want to go for Eomer.

[The Saucepan Man]

Bah! I just do not understand how you people could vote off such a proud, noble, fine figure of an Orc. Given the choice between two evils, you went for (by retaining) the greater! I shall be revenged!!!

(Is it just me, or does this game bring out the worst in people? ;) )

In view of his disreputable past and dishonourable behaviour on the island, I move that Faramir be transferred to the badguys tribe.

But until he is ...

++ FARAMIR

Bah!

[WaynetheGoblin]

I think we should get rid of ++eamor.

[malkatoj]

Saucepan Man , are you sure you want to vote Faramir? I think that Boromir's past is much more disreputable, what with trying to steal the Ring from Frodo.

I vote
++Boromir

[Gil-Galad]

++Boromir must go, him and faramir have an alliance that must be broken, plus Boromir got shot with hundreds of orc arrows that creep

[Folwren]

I'll have to agree with mormegil. I do not deny that the men need thinning out, but I will not give in and let them take Faramir away without some sort of fight.

Understand, Eomer is a great man, too, but Faramir, in my opinion, is more worthy of staying. Eomer, at least, was not wronged in the movie, whereas Faramir had his character stollen from him.

++Eomer :(

Please - please, everyone - give Faramir a chance!

-- Folwren

[Glirdan]

While I think that Boromir's death was very brave and valiant, there is no room on the insland for dead people. So I say

++Boromir

has to go.

[The Saucepan Man]

Saucepan Man , are you sure you want to vote Faramir?Um, let me think ...

Duh!

Tsk! These Faramir Groupies have no shame. Now they are prepared to fall upon a noble and honourable King of Rohan in order to achieve their twisted ends. They must be resisted! Supporters of Rohan! Your Eored needs you. Give the horseboy a break and vote Faramir.

Please - please, everyone - give Faramir a chance!A chance? A chance? How many chances does the Gondorian Goon get?

[Alcarillo]

++Boromir

Worse than his brother at least. Boromir can barely do any more island-work; his mind is always on that ring. And since his father's been given the boot he never seems to be motivated to do anything, not even to boil the water.

[Folwren]

Originally posted by the notorious You-know-what:
Tsk! These Faramir Groupies have no shame. Now they are prepared to fall upon a noble and honourable King of Rohan in order to achieve their twisted ends. They must be resisted! Supporters of Rohan! Your Eored needs you. Give the horseboy a break and vote Faramir.

Ha! Eomer must be a pretty big wimp if he needs a break already!! For all that I'm aware of, this is the first time he's been voted for, and you're already whining for him to be givin' it easy!

A chance? A chance? How many chances does the Gondorian Goon get?

:p

-- Folwren

[The Perky Ent]

++Gloin


Because his name is an anagram for Nilog!

[Lhunardawen]

Why would anyone want to vote for someone who knows how to stay afloat down waterfalls? :eek:

I say we vote for ++GRISHNAKH. Just this one last bad guy out, and it's free-for-all.

[Anguirel]

What??

Don't you touch Eomer. Faramir may be me, but Eomer is much, much better than me...he's Gawain, he's young Beowulf, he's a berserker! Nobody is going to throw him out on my watch. "Ride to ruin and the world's ending!" Besides, with Celeborn gone Galadriel has shown her true feelings towards him, and the duels between him and Gimli are hilarious to watch...

I will throw myself behind the Boromir campaign. Face it, chaps, Boromir is basically a big, bluff, sporty lout. The only thing that makes him interesting is his exposure to the Ring, causing lots of cool moral ambiguity, and his above average Orc-hacking skills; but the Ringbearers are all gone and there's only one Orc left on the island. Now he'll just stand around kicking a football or repeating hackneyed repuplican cant copied from his father. No, better to let him go home.

++BOROMIR

Folwren says "Eomer was not wronged in the movie; Faramir had his character stolen from him."

Faramir was a bit odd in one scene, and his motives were explained in the Extended Edition. Eomer was practically cut from the films, and lost all his best lines and moments in the awful rejigging of the Pelennor Fields...

[Lalaith]

Eomer is absolutely my favourite boy and I will ally myself with you once again, Anguirel, to defend him.
I would personally have prefered to lose Faramir or Hama (who while a decent sort, I don't think has really made his mark on the island). Boromir has a certain cute, misguided, hero-with-a-fatal-flaw charm.

But what the hell, to save lovely Eomer I will sacrifice anyone (oh, except the girls, of course).

++BOROMIR

[Kath]

Sorry Sauce but Faramir has always been a favourite and nothing you or Formendacil say is going to change that. Also, your promise to become pro-Elf is redundant as Folwren has already said that none of the people who voted off the Elves in previous rounds will do so again.

++BOROMIR

He needs to be kicked off.

[bucktardo]

The key word here is survivor, nothing complicated about that...
OR IS THERE? :mad: :confused:

[The Saucepan Man]

Sorry Sauce but Faramir has always been a favourite and nothing you or Formendacil say is going to change that.That's as maybe, but this is a LotR Reality Show in the Mirth forum, not a "Who's your favourite ..." thread in N&N. That concept appears to have been lost on one or two here.

Interesting how Faramir appears to have become the stumbling block in my efforts to remove the dull but worthy Survivors from the Island. Sam, Aragorn and Frodo were push-overs, yet the Duplicitous Defender of Osgiliath seems to have well and truly entrenched himself.

Oh well. No matter. There are worse choices than Boromir. I would be happy to see him go to save Eomer.

... as Folwren has already said that none of the people who voted off the Elves in previous rounds will do so again.And you believe them ...!!?? :rolleyes:

Edit: Please ignore the Troll.

[the guy who be short]

++Boromir for falling. And not dying when he gets shot. And introducing, Spaghetti Monster forbid, magic to LotR... staying afloat down waterfalls? Bah! Reeks of dark magic. And also for the continuous, unrelenting horn jokes.

[Boromir88]

Ahhh, Boromir bandwagon!!! Is it because he's a wolf?

Although, the main reason for keeping Boromir around was because he created a lot of tension. But with Aragorn, Frodo, Gandalf, and Elrond gone, he has no one left to fight and argue with. Plus his constant winning of the Challenges got real old, and as soon as he lost the Limbo to Gloin it was all over.

++Boromir

[Firefoot]

++TREEBEARD

No bandwagoning for me today. Come on, people, vote out Treebeard. I'm getting tired of seeing him around.

[arcticstorm]

as soon as he lost the Limbo to Gloin it was all over.
++Boromir
Now that was actually a rather interesting contest, because it came down to a fight between Gloin and Lobelia, and I do not think they could have even lowered the bar any more, unfortunately, when the handle of Lobelia' s umbrella got caught on the bar, the game was over.

But having said that, I agree with firefoot, we have had that old slow ent slowing us down for quite some time, and he was the worst one in the Limbo contest

++treebeard

[Thinlómien]

Oh no, you're voting Boromir off! That's unfair! Since of my faves Gandalf has been voted off, Galadriel is in danger that's pretty unfair! :mad:... ;)
I'll continue my campaign against ++Pallando. He's really a nobody and he didn't even do his work properly and he has a stupid bailando-name... :D

[Folwren]

Originally posted by SpM
And you believe them ...!!?? :rolleyes:

You know, Saucepan Man, I've put up with a lot in this game from you, but I don't appreciate having my sworn honor thus attacked. I don't lie very often, and certainly not when I promise people something.

-- Folwren

[The Saucepan Man]

... I don't appreciate having my sworn honor thus attacked.The hazards of supporting a proven cheat and generally disreputable sort. :p ;)

How amusing that Boro voted for himself. :D

I wonder, have people started giving thought to the end-game yet? Boro has confirmed that, when we get to the final three, we will be voting for a winner. The sensible course will be to work towards eliminating any serious competition for your preferred winner (ie the popular ones).

[Anguirel]

I say we vote out Merry and Pippin soon, to ensure the winner is someone filmgoers have never heard of...

[Lalaith]

The sensible course will be to work towards eliminating any serious competition for your preferred winner (ie the popular ones

There is such a thing as being too Machiavellian, Saucie. I'm planning on campaigning for my three favourites so that whichever way it goes, I'll still be happy. :)

[mormegil]

++FARAMIR

It's time for him to go, if for no other reason then to end this debate and move on to the next one.

[The Saucepan Man]

I say we vote out Merry and Pippin soon, to ensure the winner is someone filmgoers have never heard of...Of course, that reasoning applies equally to Faramir ... :p

There is such a thing as being too Machiavellian, Saucie.I'm beginning to doubt that, Lal. :rolleyes:

But, to be fair, it's standard practice for most regular viewers of "audience vote" Reality Shows these days.

I'm planning on campaigning for my three favourites so that whichever way it goes, I'll still be happy.You're confident that your favourites will make it through then?

I wish I could say the same, but I always tend to support the underdogs in these kinds of affairs. :(

[Anguirel]

Of course, that reasoning applies equally to Faramir ... :p


Does not. Filmgoers know Faramir, if they're intelligent, as "that chap in green, y'know, Sean Bean's brother..."

[Lalaith]

You're confident that your favourites will make it through then?

Well I wouldn't go that far. I'm spreading my bets: I've got around five that I'm prepared to fight for. I hope at least one of them, if not two, will make the final.

I say we vote out Merry and Pippin soon, to ensure the winner is someone filmgoers have never heard of...

The pipsqueak you can have - I care little about his fate. But the day you move against Meriadoc, our allegiance is at an end.

[The Saucepan Man]

Does not. Filmgoers know Faramir, if they're intelligent, as "that chap in green, y'know, Sean Bean's brother..."And they know Merry and Pippin as the two short wise-cracking comedy side-kicks. And Treebeard as the tree-dude who had to be tricked into fighting. And Hama as the guy who got eaten by a Hyena - er - Wolf-thing. And Eomer as "Who's Eomer?" ...

Need I go on?

[Folwren]

Originally posted by SpM:
And they know Merry and Pippin as the two short wise-cracking comedy side-kicks. And Treebeard as the tree-dude who had to be tricked into fighting. And Hama as the guy who got eaten by a Hyena - er - Wolf-thing. And Eomer as "Who's Eomer?" ...

Ah, but Eomer was at least in the show. Why not support Quickbeam and press for his winning? He wasn't even mentioned. You'll really boggle the movie-goers then, if thats your pursuit.

-- Folwren

[Formendacil]

Er... did I say 'dead'? I meant 'gone'. Yeah...

Once again, get with the program people:

++ Faramir

[Anguirel]

Boromir-9
Faramir-3
Eomer-2
Treebeard-2
Gloin-1
Grishnakh-1
Pallando-1

[The Saucepan Man]

Michel Delving becomes Nottingham, all proceeds go to the corrupt Prince Faramir, and the hobbitry stand in need of a benevolent hero in green tights.You see. His supporters know his true nature. :eek: :p

[Anguirel]

And love it. Naughty but nice! Makes good viewing.

Besides, the twist in that particular tale is that Faramir, so rich that indolence is becoming boring, dons his old Ranger kit and secretly becomes an outlaw thwarting his own financiers and redistributing the gold among grateful hobbits, who know him as "Robyn Good".

Lord; I have an urge to write this...

[Boromir88]

How amusing that Boro voted for himself. :D ~SpM
Who would have thunk...but I'm strategically planning who I want to win this thing. Surprisingly it isn't Boromir.

I'm going to trust Anguirel's vote. I was about to count, but I'll put my faith he did a thorough and precise count.

[Boromir88]

I'm going to have to close up shop early. I don't think we'll see a drastic swing in voting to change the outcome of this one.

Also, Friday I'll be away, if Glirdan is unable to fill in somebody mind stepping up for that day?

So, the tribe hath spoken...with Gimli's final words at Boromir's departure "Disco is Dead." He went into a maddening rage. He tried to jump over the fire pit, but his cloak caught on fire, not knowing what to do he ran straight until he fell off the cliff.

Hobbits
Lobelia Sackville-Baggins
Merry
Pippin

Men and Rohan Lady
Eomer
Eowyn
Faramir
Hama

Wizards
Alatar
Pallando

Dwarves
Gimli
Gloin

Elves
Galadriel
Glorfindel

Others
Quickbeam
Treebeard

Badguys
Grishnakh

[mormegil]

Well what's the interest out there in getting rid of Lobelia out if not her I say Faramir. With Lobelia, seriously she's an onery old hag that only complains. I'm getting rather annoyed at her constant complaints and ratings are lowering due to this fact.

[the guy who be short]

++Pallando

I've had it with useless baggage, I tell you!

[The Perky Ent]

++Quickbeam

Because he's not as fast as me. He tells lies and slander!

[gralin musicteeth]

I'm not entirely sure how this works but...

++Quickbeam

because he's the only one I can remember on the list.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I'm not entirely sure how this works but...

++Quickbeam

because he's the only one I can remember on the list.

That's totaly wrong, you are supose to vote like this:

++Faramir

[Lalaith]

++Pallando

He's just flying under the radar and I don't trust him. ;)

[WaynetheGoblin]

I would like to be back up for glirden.

[WaynetheGoblin]

I vote for ++pallando gone with him at once.

[Gil-Galad]

++Pallando

Alatar was more of a fave too me for some odd reason....

[Glirdan]

Hmmm, I say get rid of the Badies. After all, there is only one left. Besides, he keeps stealing the food.

++Grishnahk

[The Saucepan Man]

Hmmm, I say get rid of the Badies.Me too.

++ FARAMIR

(*snore*)

:D

[Firefoot]

++Treebeard

He'll get voted out... eventually...

[mormegil]

Firefoot if you help me in getting Faramir off I will help you in getting Treebeard. I can't speak for SpM, Formendacil, or the others who want Faramir gone but there may be some willing to help out your cause

++Faramir

[Alcarillo]

++Pallando

Too much wandering around the island aimlessly.

[The Saucepan Man]

Firefoot if you help me in getting Faramir off I will help you in getting Treebeard. I can't speak for SpM, Formendacil, or the others who want Faramir gone but there may be some willing to help out your causeAye. I'll go along with that.

[The Perky Ent]

--EntIvotedfor++Faramir


Quick men! Circle the bandwagon!

[Gil-Galad]

--EntIvotedfor++Faramir


Quick men! Circle the bandwagon!


Gonna paint that wagon! gonna paint it good! gonna use a oil=base paint cause the wood is pine!


--Pallando

++Faramir

[Celuien]

++FARAMIR

...again :D

[Formendacil]

Firefoot if you help me in getting Faramir off I will help you in getting Treebeard. I can't speak for SpM, Formendacil, or the others who want Faramir gone but there may be some willing to help out your cause

Aye. I'll go along with that.

Aye!

Same here.

++Faramir

[mormegil]

So Firefoot it appears as though you have at least 3 now committed to helping you if you help us :)

[Glirdan]

I don't know why you want to get rid of someone so valiant!!! You are all insane!! He got hit with a Southron poison arrow and lived which not a whole lot of men could probably accomplish, even if they had help from a King of Numenorean descent!! You're all crazy!!!! I say be rid of Grishnahk. Not only is he getting into the food, but he's also now starting fights in the camp with others!!! He HAS to go!!!!

[Formendacil]

I don't know why you want to get rid of someone so valiant!!! You are all insane!! He got hit with a Southron poison arrow and lived which not a whole lot of men could probably accomplish, even if they had help from a King of Numenorean descent!! You're all crazy!!!! I say be rid of Grishnahk. Not only is he getting into the food, but he's also now starting fights in the camp with others!!! He HAS to go!!!!

Getting hit with an arrow is not a sign of valour! It's a sign of good marksmanship on the part of the archer! How on earth is this an indication of Faramir possessing a sterling quality? Aragorn cured a great number of people that night, so your argument about not anyone recovering is null and void!

And if you're voting off people getting into the food, then I highly recommend Merry and Pippin. Those two can out-eat Grishnakh anyday.

[mormegil]

He got hit with a Southron poison arrow and lived which not a whole lot of men could probably accomplish, even if they had help from a King of Numenorean descent!!

Ah but what about Frodo and the Morgul blade...yet we got rid of him. Now Faramir was decent in M-E but this isn't M-E per se but rather survivor and he really doesn't do much other than try and look pretty...Legolas wanna-be if you ask me.

[Anguirel]

Sigh...this hurts...sorry, Senor Blue-Cloak, but I can't let Robin Hood bite it.

Everyone wishing to save Faramir should vote for ++PALLANDO.

[Thinlómien]

I vote for ++Pallando, because I'm really bored with him. Not to save Faramir, really, but to get rid of the stupid wizard when there are lots of people against him.

[Firefoot]

Okay, sounds good.

--Treebeard
++Faramir

Nice knowing you, Faramir, but no one likes someone who is too good at everything, not in a game like this.

[arcticstorm]

++Faramir

[mormegil]

If my count is correct there are 9 votes for Faramir and 6 votes for Pallando, though I expect some last minute votes to try and save Faramir as well as people chaning votes at the last minute. So I urge all who will to please vote for Faramir, let's be done with this finally. Then I will move to Treebeard.

[Nonnacedak]

++Faramir

Yes lets be done with this!

[Folwren]

++Pallando!

All those who stand with me - if you have previously voted, change your vote to him! We can not let Faramir go! Not after such a long and hard struggle.

-- Folwren

[the guy who be short]

How comical to see myself allied to Folwren!

I too would like to remind people that Pallando is a useless nutter who likes painting himself blue and wandering off. No help whatsoever. Most anti-social, and all that. He's also old - we should be voting off the elderly first! They're frail and can't handle gameshow life.

[mormegil]

Well who is taking over for Boromir today? I think he asked if Glirdan or somebody else could? If my count is correct I believe we are shipping the goody-goody Faramir off. :D

[Kath]

If I'm not too late

++PALLANDO

[Folwren]

I'm afraid you are too late, Kath, and even if you weren't, it doesn't appear as it matters too much. If Mormegil's counting was correctly, with your vote (which doesn't count because it's twenty minutes too late) it was only eight to ten. :(

Mormegil...I'm sorry that you had to go off and do that. It's really sad.

Originally posted by TGWBS:
How comical to see myself allied to Folwren!

Comical indeed, considering the circumstances. I did my best to save Faramir, and I didn't really care who I was voting with. :)

-- Folwren

[Glirdan]

--Grishnahk ++Pallando.

Must save Faramir!!!!

[The Saucepan Man]

Morm's count was correct. I checked.

Finally, after going to great lengths to stay on the Island, through means both foul and fair, Faramir is the latest to become the viewer's choice for eviction. Noble, kind and valiant he may have been in the War of the Ring but, when all was said and done, he was pretty useless on the Island.

"Bah!" he said as he boarded the boat. "Not if I found it lying on the road would I want the prize money, anyway."

Hobbits
Lobelia Sackville-Baggins
Merry
Pippin

Men and Rohan Lady
Eomer
Eowyn
Hama

Wizards
Alatar
Pallando

Dwarves
Gimli
Gloin

Elves
Galadriel
Glorfindel

Others
Quickbeam
Treebeard

Badguys
Grishnakh

Still too many in the "Men" tribe for my liking, but a promise is a promise.

++ TREEBEARD

Edit: Neither Kath's nor Glirdan's votes count. But even if they did, it would still have been 9 votes for Pallando to 10 for Faramir. :D

[mormegil]

++Treebeard

thanks Firefoot

[Firefoot]

++Treebeard

[Alcarillo]

++Pallando

He's an escapee from those Blue Men (http://whatisee.org/mt/archives/images/blueman-1.jpg)!

[Folwren]

Originally posted by SpM:
Finally, after going to great lengths to stay on the Island, through means both foul and fair, Faramir is the latest to become the viewer's choice for eviction. Noble, kind and valiant he may have been in the War of the Ring but, when all was said and done, he was pretty useless on the Island.

"Bah!" he said as he boarded the boat. "Not if I found it lying on the road would I want the prize money, anyway."

I don't think that the announcer (or whatever you call him) is supposed to make bias remarks, Saucepan.

[Glirdan]

I'm also going for Pallando

++Pallando

He needs to stop wandering off. Seriously.

[the guy who be short]

++Pallando. Wanders off, and in some twisted way that makes no sense, will avenge the death of Faramir.

[Celuien]

Do anything that you want to do, but uh-uh,
You old wizard, lay off of my shoes
Don’t you step on my blue suede shoes.
You can do anything but lay off of my blue suede shoes.

You can burn my house,
Steal my pony,
Drink my miruvor
Or eat my bologna.

Do anything that you want to do, but uh-uh,
You old wizard, lay off of my shoes
Don’t you step on my blue suede shoes.
You can do anything but lay off of my blue suede shoes.

++PALLANDO the Blue, Middle-earth's Infamous Shoe-Thief.

I don't care if my shoes match his robes, they're mine and I like them. :p

[WaynetheGoblin]

++palladano I want my revenge.

[arcticstorm]

Save the Blue Wizard, this may be too little too late, but
++Treebeard

[The Perky Ent]

++Pallando

Because he's blue! Da ba dee da ba die...

[Boromir88]

Thank you Sauce for doing it whilst I was gone. After today I think with the dwindling tribes it should be about time to combine them, I'll have to see what I can do.

As for my vote

++Treebeard

I don't want to see Pallando go yet. Though he does seem to do nothing but kind of loaf around with Alatar.

Votes

Pallando- 6
Treebeard- 5

[Lalaith]

++Pallando

[malkatoj]

Save the Trees! ...and ents...but Treebeard, especially.

++Pallando

[Boromir88]

Voting's over. Pallando is the next one to leave.

Everyone realized Pallando really did nothing and were no help to anyone. In fact on the day of voting no one could find him, he mysteriously disappeared, some have said they heard he went into the East and was never heard from again.

With that, and the dwindling of people in the tribes, there will be a combination of the tribes.

The dwarves and Elves, naturally being able to get along and being such good friends should make a fine group.

The lone Orc (Grisnakh) will combine with the the two ents and join in the Hobbits. What a fun-loving, gentle, and tree-loving group.

The final tribe will be Men and the Remaining Wizard Alatar. Alatar is no Gandalf, but Men don't care, they just like magic tricks.

So, the contestants are...

Dwarves/Elves: (AKA- The "G"-eeebees)
Galadriel
Glorfindel
Gimli
Gloin

Orc/Ents/Hobbits:
Grishnakh
Quickbeam
Treebeard
Lobelia
Merry
Pippin

Men/Wizard:
Eomer
Eowyn
Hama
Alatar