LOTR Survivor

[arcticstorm]

I thin, having the qwarves had made the show interesting, we need to keep them around until the end,
++Eowyn

[mormegil]

I agree we need to lose a dwarf but I would much rather we went for Gloin than Gimli. Gimli has done some really impressive ground-breaking work in the field of race relations,

Oh yes like that knife blade work he did among the orcs, I'm sure that improved Orc/Dwarves relations for years to come. What's worse not only did he slaughter so many innocent Orcs he gloated over it. Yes I did say innocent. They were a victim of circumstance, they were forced to do those deed whereas Gilmi did it out of choice and found enjoyment in the slaughter of species.

Vote Gimli

[Folwren]

Originally posted by arcticstorm:
I thin, having the qwarves had made the show interesting, we need to keep them around until the end,
++Eowyn

Uh...Hallo, chap! Welcome to the world of LotR Survivor! I don't know if you've been around much lately, but let me bring you into focus of the latest events...

Arctic, let's not pretend. Those Dwarves have not added the least amount of excitment or interesting to the show. If you wanted excitement and interest, you should've kept Eomer and Faramir around. That would have caused a lot of excitement and interest for a lot more time.

I can bet you that Eowyn will cause a lot more interest in this game than the Dwarves will.

You know...you people just don't make any sense to me at all.

-- Folwren

[Formendacil]

I have decided to go the easy way... I'm going to lambast Galadriel....

To start off with, Galadriel a known member of a most arrogant and high handed family. Included among her relatives are the isolationist Turgon and Orodreth, xenophobic King Thingol, and the totally arrogant Feanor (among others). An instant black mark against her name is the admiration that the utterly despicable Feanor had for her.

The next strike against Galadriel is rebellion against the established authority. Whatever version of her life you read, it's inescapeable that she rebelled against Manwe and fell under the Doom of the Noldor.

And speaking of versions...

There's clearly some funny business going on when it comes to her life's story. Two or three different accounts? The most recent looks like a coverup to explain how she fell under the Doom while still presenting her in an angelic light. Most dishonourable.

And then there is her flirtations... Some are just gross, like Feanor. Others are cruel, like playing Celeborn and Celebrimbor off each other, and then choosing the one more likely to bend to her will and play the obedient spouse. And, even after millennia of marriage, she goes and flirts with Gimli! It's no wonder Celeborn remained in Middle-Earth for a long time thereafter.

And then there is her well-known desire for power. As much as her detractors may say about her turning down the One Ring, the fact remains that she still WANTED it. The problem is that she wanted to have her cake and eat it too. She wanted to be both Galadriel AND the ruler of Middle-Earth.

And then there is her cavalier treatment of her family. Not a word of mention concerning Celebrian! Not one! We here about Elrond and the children's reactions. But Galadriel doesn't bat an eye. Then there's the three grandchildren. Galadriel not only doesn't care if they don't choose immortality, she actively encourages it! Considering that Men and Elves meeting in the Arda Remade is nothing more than an estel on the part of the Elves, this seems to be very cavalier of her.

One could go on and on about Galadriel's failings. After all, what kind of treatment was she giving Boromir, Merry, and Pippin? I mean, BELTS? Frodo got the light of a Silmaril, for heaven's sake! No wonder Boromir went nuts! And what WAS she thinking, stirring up his mental pot into going Ring-hungry? Seems to me that she projecting her own desires onto his weaker mind...

Surely it is clear to all by now that the vote soon should be...

++Galadriel

[Boromir88]

I'm pretty sure that Boromir is/was planning a followup game. Certainly, this has proven at least as addictive as Werewolf, and a lot zanier. I know that Survivor Silm was mentioned as a followup, and I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a Survivor Hobbit...~Formendacil

I just got in from finishing my paper route (stupid Northern Life!!! ) and as I was doing my paper route, I was thinking...what if we did a Silmarillion Survivor? I mean come on, we all had a few good laughs and lots of fun and one bacstabbing (coughmormcough ). What would be the harm in doing a Silm Survivor?~Glirdan
Anguirel's going to be heading that one. He was kind enough to propose the idea to me, so he will be doing Survivor Silm.

[Glirdan]

Anguirel's going to be heading that one. He was kind enough to propose the idea to me, so he will be doing Survivor Silm.

Okie dokie Boro!! I was wondering if anyone offered for to do the Survivor Hobbit? If not, I'll glady take on that responsability.

[Boromir88]

Sounds good to me. ;)

[mormegil]

Okie dokie Boro!! I was wondering if anyone offered for to do the Survivor Hobbit? If not, I'll glady take on that responsability.

So long as it's moderately unbiased ;) :p

I'm assuming that we are only running one at a time and Silm was first.

[Anguirel]

++GLOIN

Arguments for his uselessness and snobbery pointed countless times before...

Glirdan, please wait till the Silmarillion Survivor is over before you start your Hobbit Survivor. Two survivors running parallel would be confusing and would overlap into each other irritatingly.

Celeborn and Elrond, by the way, will certainly be taking part.

It'll work slightly differently from this one. I've noticed that when ratings start to flag, reality TV shows often introduce new contestants. This is how the younger generations will be handled in the Silmarillion Survivor.

I will also write challenges and the results of them.

Finally, certain events or times based on the book will sometimes trigger arbitrary killing or introduction of new tribes (eg Dwarves, Men)

[Lalaith]

Excellent, it now looks like I can go for the dwarf I want off,


++GLOIN

Oh and wilwarin, thank you. I knew I hadn't misjudged you. Eowyn didn't do what her brother told her to do, either. :)

[WaynetheGoblin]

I will get back at you all. Just dont try to cheer me up . Sorry gloin. :( :( :(

[Kath]

Hmm hmm, voting time.

++GLOIN

Now I'll admit to not having a great deal of reasoning, but he did make Frodo fall off his cushions. Poor little Frodo who has already been through quite enough without a Dwarf causing him upset! But my real reasoning I think is that he has obviously never come and visited Bilbo, in all the years between the quest where Bilbo likely saved his life he has never come and visited. So Frodo has never met him. Mean I say, mean.

[the guy who be short]

Farewell, Gloiny Woiny. :(

++Eowyn, though it wont do much.

[Glirdan]

Glirdan, please wait till the Silmarillion Survivor is over before you start your Hobbit Survivor. Two survivors running parallel would be confusing and would overlap into each other irritatingly.

Don't worry. I wasn't planning on starting it until yours was done anyway Anguriel. Love your ideas for how to run it BTW.

++Eowyn, though it wont do much.

So your just voting for her to be different then? if so, vote for Gimli, that way we know that one Dwarf WILL be getting kicked off.

[the guy who be short]

So your just voting for her to be different then? if so, vote for Gimli, that way we know that one Dwarf WILL be getting kicked off.I think you don't understand my motives here. The guy who be short = dwarf = Won't vote for Gimli.

Eowyn appears to be the best opposition to Gloin. With a little divine intervention, perhaps he can pull through for another day...

[Glirdan]

I get it TGWBS. I see your motif. But Gloin's going home, no matter what.

[mormegil]

I think you don't understand my motives here. The guy who be short = dwarf = Won't vote for Gimli.

Eowyn appears to be the best opposition to Gloin. With a little divine intervention, perhaps he can pull through for another day...

I hear you and answer your call for help

--Gilmi

++Eoywn

Dernhelm...what kind of a name is that!

[The Perky Ent]

++Eomer's Ghost


He came back as a wight, I tell you!

[Firefoot]

Dernhelm...what kind of a name is that! A meaningful and clever one - it means "helmet of secrecy." I'd say that fit Eowyn's situation pretty well!

Now those Dwarf names - what are they supposed to mean? Gloin, what's he trying to prove? That he glows in the dark? And Gimli, I think his name must mean "useless and meaningless."

And all you people trying to vote off Eowyn and Galadriel! This could get awfully boring if only men were left.

[Glirdan]

Completely agree with you Firefoot. Why on earth would we want to get rid of the only two women left on the island? The game would just become extremely dull.

[mormegil]

A meaningful and clever one - it means "helmet of secrecy." I'd say that fit Eowyn's situation pretty well!


Exactly, what is it with all the secrecy. I might add that this so called Dernhelm cannot be trusted with a simple command. "Eowyn you must stay here and rule the people while I am gone". Does she stay with the people? No, she abandons them for her own selfish pursuits. Her people needed her and the command was simple enough. She really should have been hung for disobeying a direct order from the King, yet she is praised. Who killed the Witch-King? She is a attention hog so she gets credit but she wouldn't have done anything without merry and where's his credit?

We need to get rid of this attention seeking, selfish, disobidient little deceiver.

[Glirdan]

Who ever said that Merry didn't get any praise? Of course he got praise!!! What did Sam say at the end of the RotK? He said that himself, Pip and Merry were getting all the praise and Frodo got no praise. So, why do you say he got no praise?

[Lalaith]

Ah yes. Eowyn the attention hog. What was about the first thing she said when she came out of her coma, after asking after Theoden?

And what of the king’s esquire, the Halfling? Eomer, you shall make him a knight of the Riddermark, for he is valiant!’

It was just me, me, me, with her, wasn't it?

As for the women being voted off the island, I'm not in the least surprised, because let me tell you, this kind of thing *always* happens on reality tv. We've still got a long way to go in the equality battle, ladies.

[Formendacil]

Okay, I've had my chance at raging, so I'll give you a hand, Dude Who Be Vertically Challenged.

-- Galadriel, ++Eowyn

[Firefoot]

Hm, with Gloin only leading by two votes now, it seems this Eowyn faction is getting to big to ignore.

--Gimli
++Gloin

Gloin - 9
Eowyn - 6
Galadriel - 1

[mormegil]

Who ever said that Merry didn't get any praise? Of course he got praise!!! What did Sam say at the end of the RotK? He said that himself, Pip and Merry were getting all the praise and Frodo got no praise. So, why do you say he got no praise?

Ah but you see that was merely in the shire and had nothing to do with his valiant slaying of the W-K.

Eowyn on the other hand when she found that she couldn't have Aragorn and the only way to have power for herself would be to marry her neighbor in the house of healing went after her with her barbed hooks for hands. Faramir was a poor pawn in her little charade to gain as much power as possible.

Oh and also Lalaith brings up a good point

As for the women being voted off the island, I'm not in the least surprised, because let me tell you, this kind of thing *always* happens on reality tv.

So in keeping with the way an actual reality TV show would go we must get rid of her. :p

[Boromir88]

++Gloin

The "G-group" is too strong and as I said before a dwarf needs to go today, though I'd prefer Gimli, Gloin will do.

[Firefoot]

Eomer declares he has no gift worthy enough for Merry's deeds upon the Mundburg. When he died, Merry was laid to rest beside the King Elessar himself. No, he didn't receive any honor at all.

:rolleyes: So in keeping with the way an actual reality TV show would go we must get rid of her. Morm, I think we can accuse you of conforming. :p

[mormegil]

Eomer declares he has no gift worthy enough for Merry's deeds upon the Mundburg. When he died, Merry was laid to rest beside the King Elessar himself. No, he didn't receive any honor at all.

What Eomer is basically saying is that he's too greedy to give anything decent away. So yes he doesn't get credit. And being laid next to some dead king! That's an honor? What about living honor.

Not conforming just being difficult.

[Boromir88]

After a tribal dispute between the elves and dwarves, Glorfindel and Galadriel took great joy in seeing Gloin go. Gimli was too busy trying to get closer to Galadriel, with Celeborn gone, to really care that his dad was the next to leave.

Elves/Dwarves
Galadriel
Glorfindel
Gimli

Hobbits
Merry
Pippin

Men/Rohan Lady
Eowyn
Hama

Oh my! 7 people remaining! We're getting to crunch time.

[Kath]

And still there is one too many in the Elf/Dwarf camp. Now looking at the people we have there is one Man and one Woman, Merry and Pippin who I think we can count as being practically a married couple so there again one man, one woman. Then we have Galadriel, Glorfindel and Gimli. One male too many. And since there is only one Dwarf left, by that reasoning

++GLORFINDEL

must go.

[mormegil]

Kath I see your agenda, all men must go. Well there are only 5 left so men it's time to stop women from taking over I say we go after Eowyn. I mean really who uses that odd combination of letters to spell your name. It's frightfully awkward to spell.

++EOWYN

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Eowyn

I have nothing new to say !

[the guy who be short]

++Eowyn, for her many lies.

[arcticstorm]

++Eowyn

[Kath]

Now morm that is not my agenda at all. I simply want a list where it's half and half. It's probably due to some weird obsessive compulsive thing, apparently that's why I like everything to be symmetrical :D

But anyway, in retaliation - you obviously just want all the men left on the island! Any self-respecting female must immediately vote against morm!

[arcticstorm]

In order to thin out the elf/dwarf tribe I will gladly changve my vote to Galadirel, but do not try to kick Glorfindel off the Island, he is probably the strongest person we have left here. I have never seen anyone else who is left destroy a balrog, and that is much harder to kill than the witch king.

[wilwarin538]

Eowyn must stay!!!

++Glorfindel

Come on girls! ;)

[mormegil]

If Glorfindel goes my wrath will be unleashed upon both Eowyn and Galadriel. Currently I am holding back on Galadriel and will help to get her into the finals.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

No.

Glorfindel stays ! ! ! :mad:

If you try to vote him of this island i shall destroy you all!
(or at least try in my own pathetic way)

[Firefoot]

If that's the choice...

++Glorfindel

You've got a pretty awesome horse, and you're one of my favorite Elves, but you're a casualty in the war to keep Eowyn around. Besides... once you've been killed, you couldn't stay that way, could you? No, you turn up again in the following ages.

All you sexists trying to get rid of Eowyn, as if she isn't cooler than Galadriel any day! You all don't mind Galadriel because she's more feminine, but Eowyn? Chuck her off the island, you say! ;)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Sexist you say !

No not at all, but Eowyn comids Impersonation fraud. She do not obey her king . She leave her people leader less. (weakens there defense) She is Selfish and she is envious because of the attencion Galadriel gets from Gimli

[mormegil]

Sexist you say !

No not at all, but Eowyn comids Impersonation fraud. She do not obey her king . She leave her people leader less. (weakens there defense) She is Selfish and she is envious because of the attencion Galadriel gets from Gimli

And don't forget how awful it is to spell her name.

[Lalaith]

I have no problems with Glorfindel in himself - a perfectly respectable and really quite dashing scion of the admittedly obscure House of the Golden Flower.

But since that cinematic replacement by a female at the Ford, he has become the poster-boy of a certain reactionary and unwholesome kinder-kirche-kuche element of the Tolkien fanbase.
I am frankly very surprised to find mormegil of all people as a cheerleader of this kind of misogynistic piffle. But while I salute the gallant Glorfindel, I must vote against him for what he has come, I am sure against his own wisely elven wishes, to represent.

++GLORFINDEL

[Gurthang]

Gurthang: Well, our two candidates are both collecting votes in no time flat! It looks like this campaign is pretty close, in fact, I'm not sure who's ahead at the moment. I think I'll call my color man and see how it's going out in the field: Gnahtrug, how's it look out there?


Gnahtrug: Well, Gurthang, it is a very close race. Both Glorfindel and Eowyn have gotten numerous votes. Let's see... Divine Bovine! It looks like it's a tie! At the moment the voting stands:

Glorfindel - 4
Eowyn - 4

Boy this is really a close one! I hope somebody breaks this tie really quickly!


Gurthang: Well, I'm not going to do that! But I will add another opponent to the stack:

++Galadriel

For being a prissy, stuck-up, pointy-eared, old elf-queen! (And to avoid being called a sexist or a womanizer. :p)

[Formendacil]

++Galadriel

Of the three "big names" today, she's my least favourite. Eowyn, I will agree with Firefoot, has her totally beat in the coolness factor, and Glorfindel is the most cool Elf in the 3rd Age. Period.

So, this being a "reality" show, one must vote off the least cool. Bye, 'Laddie!

[mormegil]

Gurthang and Formendacil we may need your vote to keep Glorfindel. If we loose him due to one or two votes I will hold you both responsible and take you to task for it ;)

[Firefoot]

What if we let up on Glorfindel if you all let up on Eowyn, letting both of them make it to, say, the final four? final three? Truth is, I'd much rather have Eowyn around than Galadriel. Galadriel gets too much credit for everything... I wouldn't mind going for her today.

[Lalaith]

I'm happy to do a deal and lay off Glorfindel, at least for a while. But given that there are only two females left, why must one of them be sacrificed today? I'm not saying they both have to reach the final, but surely there's no need to whittle it down to just one at this relatively early stage?

Can I suggest "unquenchably cheerful" Pippin as a good alternative eviction candidate?

[The Saucepan Man]

Male/female? Schmail/Schemail. It's not so much the gender of the contestants as their characters and the tribal mix that I am concerned with.

I'd be happy to vote for either Galadriel or Glorfindel today.

Only one Elf should make the final. Both of the remaining Elves are insufferably pompous and incredibly disdainful of the other contestants, although this Galadriel-Gimli thing is becoming interesting. To keep that interest alive, I'd be inclined to vote for Glorfindel. After all, he had two stints in Middle-earth. That's more than enough exposure. He doesn't need to win Survivor too.

[WaynetheGoblin]

++eowyn.

[mormegil]

--Eowyn
++Galadriel

I would love Pippin to be gone next.

[Kath]

Well Sauce has come up with a more general reason for voting off Glorfindel so come on people! We need an Elf gone. Let Gimli and Galadriel have a little more time together - vote Glorfindel. Galadriel voters change to Glorfindel and get rid of this bothersome know-it-all.

[the guy who be short]

Perhaps it would be easier to vote all three off at once and start anew? :D

[Celuien]

Ahhh, we must save Glorfindel and Galadriel!

++EOWYN

Galadriel has to stay at least as long as Gimli is here. It's not all that often that we get to hear a Dwarf flirting at all, but it's especially rare when an Elf is involved. And as for Glorfindel, I think he deserves time on the island to make up for Arwen's stealing his 15 minutes of movie fame.

Oh, and Sauce, the Elves are insufferably pompous? Let's not forget that Lizzie once made a similar mistake about Mr. Darcy. They really aren't that bad once you get to know them. :D

[Gil-Galad]

Gimli and Galadriel love triangle was broken when Celebron left...

EDIT:
--Eowyn

++Gimli

cause Wilwa put reason into my head...

[Boromir88]

++Eowyn

Cateladriel is much better looking then Mirwyn and how did Eowyn ever get the idea that Aragorn was into her?

I think that makes voting...

Eowyn- 7
Glorfindel- 4
Galadriel- 3

[Anguirel]

For goodness sake...Glorfindel it was who advocated hurling the ring into the sea. Talk about escapism.

But I would far rather pursue Hama or a Hobbit.

All the same, at this stage, let's take the fanatical, airy-fairy, stars-in-his-eyes molester of reputable Black Riders out of this show.

++GLORFINDEL

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

--Eowyn
++Galadriel

I would love Pippin to be gone next.

You turncoat !
:mad:

I hope you will be doomed to spell Eowyn in all eternity !

[Gil-Galad]

--Gimli


++Glorfindel


double lynching! i think...

Eowyn- 6
Glorfindel- 6
Galadriel- 3

[Formendacil]

Gurthang and Formendacil we may need your vote to keep Glorfindel. If we loose him due to one or two votes I will hold you both responsible and take you to task for it ;)

Heard, and agreed with.

No holding ME responsible...

--Galadriel

++Eowyn

[Folwren]

Hm. Hard choice, really. I like both Eowyn and Glorfindel...

But, due to the circumstances and evidence, I think that Glorfindel should be the one to go. Why? Because, out of the two of them, Eowyn is much more fit for the Island. Consider - Glorfindel...pushed off of his horse by Arwen (who, in herself, is a wimp) ... what's that say for the male elf? I mean, come on.

Eowyn, on the other hand, is very strong...she was somewhat rebellious, yes, but that's evidently what people want around here. *ahem* But towards the end of it, she really comes around. Decides that a woman's life is not meant to be a man's and marries for love and not for dreaming.

So...only to save Eowyn, though, mind, I do like them both - ++Glorfindel

-- Folwren

[mormegil]

Sorry but I must change my vote again. My Galadriel push didn't work out and Glorfindel is close to leaving so he needs my help

--Galadriel
++Eowyn

[Anguirel]

Ah. Mormegil. You're fond of Glorfindel.

Preference noted, vengeance drive ready to be begun...

[Lalaith]

Morm is just being perverse. He said he'd be happy to go for Pippin, you said you'd be happy to go for Pippin, I said I'd be happy to go for Pippin, so there we were, we could all have been happy, but what does he do...deliberately set out to annoy and upset everyone. :rolleyes:

[Anguirel]

After the demise of Celeborn, Eomer, and now Eowyn, I'm quite frankly eager to cause mormegil as much unhappiness as possible. This natural inclination is presently striving with my anti-Hobbit nature...

[mormegil]

Ah. Mormegil. You're fond of Glorfindel.

Preference noted, vengeance drive ready to be begun...

Yes, but there are others. However he whom I wished to win was taken out far too early, which resulted in the destruction of your elven lord clan. Samwise Gamgee should have won this game and it's a shame he didn't.


Morm is just being perverse. He said he'd be happy to go for Pippin, you said you'd be happy to go for Pippin, I said I'd be happy to go for Pippin, so there we were, we could all have been happy, but what does he do...deliberately set out to annoy and upset everyone.

Not so. I'm merely needing to save one of those I want in the final. However nobody went for Pippin today so it was fairly futile to go for him alone. If you would like I would go for him tomorrow.

[Alcarillo]

++Glorfindel

Between Eowyn and Glorfindel, I think Glorfindel sounds funnier. I mean, really, say it aloud. Glor...fin...del. It brings images of Santa's workshop to mind.

[Anguirel]

I'm submitting to cynicism and taking up the no-brain role of prosecutor.

Let's have a look at this *Glorfindel's* career.

Not a member of the golden house of Finrod and yet a blonde. This means that clearly, sometime in the First Age, he stole hair dye from-

A. Celegorm. This would mean that this so called hero had spent time hanging around with a traitor, murderer, abductor and Lord Fauntleroy-lookalike.

or

B. Oropher. This would mean that he falsified his claim to be of the Noldor, is some rustic Sinda, and blagged his way into Gondolin, where he killed the real Glorfindel and stole his identity during the chaos of the Siege. The prosecution thinks this the more likely.

Then who is he really? Or should I say she? For the smooth-talking Noldorin Lord is none other than...

Marysueowen, notorious feminist, inept singer, ninja assassin, illegal half-elf, and mother of Legolas!

This explains her constant resurrection and her effortless victories over Balrogs and Ringwraiths. Get rid of this abomination before it's too late!

[Dunwen]

Let's see....
Glorfindel: Pretty horse
Dresses well
Nice hair
Fights evil by playing with matches

Vs. Eowyn: Devoted to family
Has earned the trust of her nation
Superb rider (did Glorfindel fight on horseback while encumbered by
hobbit? I think not.)
Dresses well (see appearance in Houses of Healing)
Nice hair (see note re: Houses of Healing above)
Fights evil by standing her ground and taking on Fell Beast and Witch
King
Sense of humor ("I am no man!")
Totally rocks
Had to put up with being hit on by Grima Wormtongue (which explains
a lot about that whole crush-on-Aragorn thing)

For the last reason alone, she deserves to survive!

++Glorfindel

[Boromir88]

This makes it...

Glorfindel- 8
Eowyn- 8

Au revoir to two amigos. Glorfindel couldn't go home, for some reason he couldn't find his horse, so the tribe had to resort to cannibalism with food running short. Eowyn made a gallant run, but Galadriel is the better looking when the survivors haven't had a bath in weeks.

Dwarf/Elf:
Galadriel
Gimli

Hobbits:
Merry
Pippin

Man:
Hama

5 left!!!

[Gil-Galad]

Merry and Pip cause nothing but trouble on the island, thye took my other pie!


++Pippin

[Lalaith]

*sigh*

I'm kind of losing heart here, after that double eviction. I hope Morm is pleased with himself, that's all. *glower*

Anyway, yeah, Fool of a Took, whatever.

++PIPPIN

[Kath]

I hope Morm is pleased with himself, that's all.
Oh I'm sure he is.

++PIPPIN

Might as well let him go.

[mormegil]

++Pippin

If anything good came out of Glorfindel's depature it would have to be that Anguriel wasn't instrumental in his leaving :p

[WaynetheGoblin]

++pipin.

[Firefoot]

++Gimli

I've already told you the good reasons... and right now I just feel obstinate and don't really care to vote for Pippin.

[arcticstorm]

++Pippin

[The 1,000 Reader]

The hobbits are just plain cool.

++Hama.

He stands out too much. He also has been distraught and unhelpful since Eowyn left.

[Lalaith]

He also has been distraught and unhelpful since Eowyn left

I know how he feels.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Never have I been struck by a greef like this.

Why Glorfindel !
:mad:
Some one must die.

++Pippin

He is small and easy to kick around.

[Gurthang]

Down with the females! They must GO!

++Galadriel

Oh, did I just say that out loud. :o *ehem* Just kidding.

--Galadriel

I don't like this Pippin bandwagon, it speaks of corruption. I'm not voting for him. There's only one man left, so he should stay. Same with the dwarf and elf, even if they are on the same team. So that leaves...

++Merry

[Glirdan]

++Glorfindel

Bandwagoning here people.

[Alcarillo]

Glirdan, Glorfindel's already gone.

++Merry

Just so we can have one dwarf, one elf, a hobbit, and a man left. And between the two remaining hobbits, I like Merry less.

[mormegil]

++Glorfindel

Bandwagoning here people.

Ummmm...he's already gone

[Glirdan]

OOPS!!! Then I'll go with

++Hama

Sorry, I was gone all day today and yesterday, soooo... and I just got a chance to come one. And I need to go have a little word with Perky...

[Anguirel]

I say we forget the Hobbit race was ever created-awful mistake, far worse than the creation of Orcs. These small, parochial blackmailing thugs have sequestered all the wealth of Arnor and used it to build anachronistic pocket watches and express trains. Stop the industrial revolution!

++PEREGRIN "FINGERS" TOOK

[The 1,000 Reader]

Despite the fact it was in jest, your post came very close to crossing the line. Be more careful in the future.

[Anguirel]

Am I being addressed? I don't like that tone, matey. My favourites are scattered on the wind, I'm disappointed, bitter and vengeful and I have the right to blimming well cross all the lines in ninety-eight pads of A4. So there.

Incidentally, let's drive for a Hobbit double lynching, my merry men...

--PIPPIN, ++MERRY

[The Saucepan Man]

Darn! I meant to turn up yesterday and vote for Glorfindel in order to try to save Eowyn, who is a far better representative, in my opinion, of the Man tribe than Hama. Oh well. :rolleyes:

So now, to business.

Those of you who have voted for young Peregrine should be ashamed of yourselves. Picking on an innocent youngster like that.

It seems that his fate is sealed, but I feel duty bound to put up a defence for him, seeing as no one else appears to be bothering.

His cheerfulness, sense of humour and penchant for getting himself into trouble have kept both Islanders and viewers amused throughout the show. He has provided hours of entertainment and kept the Survivors' spirits up. How could you be so cruel as to evict him at this final stage?

After all, he is the true hero of Middle-earth.

Together with Merry, he roused the Ents, thus helping to save the Rohirrim from annihilation at Helm's Deep and curtailing Saruman's plans for world domination. He and Merry both also provided the means by which Boromir was able to achieve redemption. And, of course, he was a key leader in the rebellion which led to the freeing of the idyllic Shire from Saruman's evil grasp.

But it was in his sole endeavours that he really came into his own. It was Pippin who alerted Gandalf to Denethor's attempt to take his own son's life. Had Denethor succeeded in doing so, the impact on the morale of Minas Tirith would have led to its fall. Make no mistake.

It was Pippin's quick wits which enabled the Three Hunters to pick up their trail after they had been captured by Orcs (thus leading them to rendezvous with Gandalf the White and, thereafter, assist in the defence of Rohan) and which enabled he and Merry to escape into Fangorn, thus precipitating said Entish arousal.

Despite not being physically suited for battle, he stood with the Captains of the West at the Morannon and succeeded in killing a Troll, thereby saving his comrade, Gimli, almost at the cost of his own life.

And then there is his much-maligned curiosity which, in fact, provided the medium through which a number of fortuitous events occurred.

Had he not dropped a stone down the well in Moria, thus rousing Durin's Bane, Gandalf would not have fallen at the Bridge and would not therefore become the White. The consequences for Middle-earth would have been dreadful.

And, had he not looked into the Palantir, the chain of events which led Aragorn to challenge Sauron, thus forcing him to move earlier than intended on Minas Tirith, thus bringing about the death of the Witch-King and the defeat of Sauron's forces at the Pelennor, thus enabling the Captains of the West to lead their host to the Black Gate, thus causing A Diversion!, thus allowing Frodo and Sam to make it to Mount Doom, Middle-earth would have fallen to Sauron's domination.

It was through Pippin's innocent curiosity that Eru was able to work much of his will on Middle-earth throughout the War of the Ring.

Oh, and he sang the bath song. Come on, you gotta love the bath song!

And you choose to reward him with this? Tsk! Shame on you all!

Although I would prefer to vote for Galadriel, since she thinks that she's got it in the bag and I would love to see her face if she were voted off before the final, I am, albeit with a heavy heart, prepared to sacrifice one Hobbit. But please, for the love of all that is good in Middle-earth, take Merry, not Pippin.

[Anguirel]

Excellent. Saucie has fallen into an elephant trap.

Look at him. The cold-blooded satirist, the one who goes on about Survivor having to be good telly, and all that jazz, the one who, when necessary, claims that LOTR itself is a pack of lies.

In his hour of ascendancy, my friendies, Saucie toppled Samwise and Frodo, (with my help, I don't deny) calling Sam corrupt and Frodo a wimp. He it was who led the culling of Elves in the post-Celeborn rush, such as the fey but immensely watchable Thranduil, and the venerable Cirdan.

He it was who tore down Faramir, sensitive poet and pacifist, calling him a bloodstained brigand and extortioner on the scale of King John. He it was who tried to defend Grishnakh over Eomer. He it was who used risible and contradictory arguments to discredit Eomer and Eowyn, gabbling every needle-point he could; one moment saying they didn't make good footage, another that they were goodie-goodies, another that they were "jocks".

Now this steely politician shows his heart-and, citizens of the Downs, I entreat to stab into it. Strike the blow against Pippin, whether you wish to avenge Sam, Frodo, Celeborn, Aragorn, Faramir, Eomer, or Eowyn. It all amounts to the same thing.

This Machiavellian cynic had no mercy for your favourite characters, Downers. Let him receive none!

--MERRY, ++PIPPIN

PS Saucie, don't try and defend Pippin with quotations from the books. We know it's all made up; Pippin spent the War of the Ring at home regularly attempting to murder his father...

[The Saucepan Man]

Excellent. Saucie has fallen into an elephant trap. :rolleyes: If a trap it be, it is one that I have gladly walked into with my eyes fully open. It's the least that I can do to defend the gallant little Hobbit. I can hardly stand by and let him go undefended while the baying mob calls for his blood.

The cold-blooded satirist ...You are too kind. But you honour me with far too much credit here. I have merely played my part, as have all others who have voted.

... the one who goes on about Survivor having to be good telly ...Guilty as charged. Pippin makes good telly.

... the one who, when necessary, claims that LOTR itself is a pack of lies ...It is a curious fact that, as regards the adventures of Merry and Pippin, the Red Book is suprisingly accurate. ;)

Really, Anguirel, I never realised that I had so much influence. As you offer it to me, and since it seems to have irked you so, I will gladly take the credit for bringing down all those frauds. The sad truth, however, is that I have little influence here. Those who wield the influence in this thread do so in much more devious and murky ways than I, using devices that I would not stoop so low as to use. :p

But hear this. All that I have ever done has been in the interests of keeping the show interesting and the tribes equally distributed. See, I am even prepared to sacrifice a Hobbit to further this aim.

Pippin is clearly going to-Day, whatever happens. But the symbolic nature of your re-vote for him is noted, Ang. It does you no credit.

Pippin spent the War of the Ring at home regularly attempting to murder his father...*Turns other cheek*

[Lalaith]

*claps excitedly*

Ang vs Saucie! Give them their own programme! Much better even than Survivor...

[the guy who be short]

++Galadriel

Come on people. She's evil. And ruined the last round. And occasionally green. And rebellious. And evil. Gee, I could go on for years... :p

[Formendacil]

++Galadriel

Come on people. She's evil. And ruined the last round. And occasionally green. And rebellious. And evil. Gee, I could go on for years... :p

I already did. :D

++Galadriel

[Boromir88]

You know what...tgwbs is right! Galadriel is evil. If it wasn't for her telling Boromir she wanted the Ring, he wouldn't have gone after Frodo. She killed me, that temptress!

++Galadriel

[Celuien]

Galadriel is most certainly not evil! Let's review the evidence against her...

Boromir88 states that she was responsible for his counterpart's demise. Entirely untrue. Galadriel only showed what the members of the Fellowship already had in their minds, although they might not have consciously been aware of it yet. Any insight she gave Boromir into his hidden desires saved the Quest. What if his desire for the Ring had come to the surface in Mordor? Disaster. It was only because the confrontation took place early that Frodo was able to escape with the Ring and fulfill his mission.

Yes, Galadriel has her faults. But she was able to conquer her faults through wisdom - wisdom earned through hardship and the pain of knowing that all of her works would come to nothing in the end. Yet she did not despair or yield to her temptation to take the Ring. Rather, she chose to reject the Shadow though she doomed her own realm along with it.

Have pity on Galadriel, last of the Elves on the island! The future of Middle-earth has been given to mortals. To the Elves is granted only memory of the past and a longing for the greatness that might have been had Arda not been marred by Morgoth. Even if the Hobbits/Man lose on Survivor, they have still won a victory that the Elves cannot: they will ultimately control the future of Middle-earth. Give Galadriel one triumph before she must diminish and sail into the West by allowing her to become the Survivor victor.

++PIPPIN

[Anguirel]

I was about to defend Galadriel.

Then I remembered that in this perverse game, if you defend someone they get evicted within a couple of days.

Sooo...

We return to the elementary question; what makes the best Reality Telly?

((This post-modern approach is so ironic. Half us probably haven't seen a single episode of Big Brother, Survivor, or that ilk...I must confess to having watched the former once. I was disgusted to see them picking on an unfortunate, ah, lass called Kitten))

First, we have Merry and Pippin. Their chirpy humour went down well at first, but really it's running thin now, especially as the tabloids have exposed Pippin's faked university CV and Merry's past as a pot-dealer. Pippin is a whining child of privilege and Merry is just so flipping responsible, while being self-effacing and lost-looking. Depressing showing. Voters' favourites to go.

Then we have Hama. Unpopular beaverish beard hides chummy, matey behaviour and dogged loyalty, but not much else. Aragorn's gone so he can't deyfy anyone, and Eomer's gone so he can't obey anyone. He's a rebel/doorkeeper without a cause.

Then Gimli. Actually makes pretty funny jokes, and is a most efficient worker, but is getting disillusioned, crabby, violent and whenever possible drunk. Still definitely worth keeping around.

And Galadriel. A gift to the screen. A gift to the viewers. Makes interaction electric. All the boys are dying to serve her. Throw her off and they'll be listless and purposeless. Keep her on...and the duels and excitement will continue.

Remember people said evicting Grishnakh would stop arguments and take down ratings? Well, Galadriel is a much more powerful version of this situation. Come on, people. Killing Orcs is one thing, straightforward military bragging, like some interminable game of rugby in the Welsh drizzle. But really captivating arguments are the ones that rend the side of good, whether it be the Elves over the Silmarils, the Free Peoples over the rings, or the Elves, Lakemen and Dwarves over Smaug's hoard. This gets even better when Romance is involved. Love triangles. Daeron-Luthien-Beren. Arwen-Aragorn-Eowyn. Aragorn-Eowyn-Faramir.

And Galadriel has had many lovers, all in vain. Feanor, Celebrimbor, Gimli.

Gimli who is still here.

Give that up, and you're really not a judge of good television.

[arcticstorm]

--Pippin
++Merry

[The Saucepan Man]

Depends what you want out of your television shows.

Personally, I prefer simple, harmless fun to watching some old Elvish bint well past her sell-by date trying desperately to flaunt her stuff for the cameras. She's so transparent. It's clear that she's just in the show to try and get a modelling contract. Whereas Merry and, especially Pippin, have a great future in light entertainment. All hail the next (little) Ant and Dec. :D

++ GALADRIEL

[Celuien]

I was about to defend Galadriel.

Then I remembered that in this perverse game, if you defend someone they get evicted within a couple of days.



That's part of the reason (in addition to my stupid 80 hour a week work schedule) that I've been keeping a low profile. But I couldn't stand back and watch the Lady being maligned so cruelly. I only hope that she'll make it to the final round. One more day after this, if I'm not mistaken?

[mormegil]

Yes but also good television would dictate that the victor should be a surprise. If Galadriel makes it to the final it's almost certain that she will win. How wonderful would it be if instead of Galadriel or a member of the fellowship we had Hama as our champion. I didn't think that Galadriel would get any support for eviction today but she is behind on her rent payments

--Pippin
++Galadriel

[arcticstorm]

--Merry++Galadriel

[Folwren]

I feel suddenly sick.

Eowyn...gone?

I feel very sick indeed.

-- Folwren

[Anguirel]

Oh God. All these blasted television watchers making obscure jokes about celebrities I don't understand. I want the feudal system back, quickly.

There's becoming a real risk that the coward, deserter and arsonist Took might yet escape the net.

Need I dwell on his dallyings with floosies that drove Diamond to drink and drugs despair?

His fast-track finance fraud fiddling as Thain that flooded the Farthing?

His military mousishness, measliness, mercernary maunderings?

No, Downers, I leave it entirely to your good taste. Ensure that the hairy-footed halitosic half-hearted hooligan is shown, ah, what I believe is known as the Red Card...

[Lalaith]

Well well well my fine fellows.

So its going to be Eowyn yesterday, Galadriel today?
What was that you said yesterday Saucie
Schmail/Schemail. It's not so much the gender of the contestants as their characters and the tribal mix that I am concerned with.

This is a family site so I'll say it in a nice Victorian way: pull the other one, it's got bells on.

You bright, happy, brave and optimistic young girls of the Downs, I hope you're all watching this and seeing what life on this Hither Shore has in store for you....

*shakes head in sorrow, diminishes, departs to West*

[Anguirel]

Wait, Lalaith! Someone slip me a harp...I want to join you as Elrond...

Or should I stay behind and fight the good fight as Celeborn?

Should I stay or should I go? (Not so pop culture unaware after all, eh, eh, you may say...)

You, voters, decide. Strive on beside me and expel Pippin. He's nothing better than a Gollum from a better background...

[WaynetheGoblin]

--pipin
++galadriel.

[Anguirel]

Flippin' glory supporter...

[the guy who be short]

Ah, for an evil smiley. :D

A toast to conformity.

[Boromir88]

Galadriel- 7
Pippin- 6
Hama- 2
Merry- 1
Gimli- 1

[Anguirel]

Et tu, Folwrene?

[Nonnacedak]

++Galadriel

I hope that does it.

[Glirdan]

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! GET RID OF HAMA!!!! WE CAN'T LOSE GALADRIEL!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :( :eek:

[Boromir88]

That does do it Nonna.

Caiao Madame Galadriel. I guess everyone decided Galadriel needed to go when she delivered her "I will be a QUEEN! Dark Yet beautiful as the Dawn, when I Win!!! Muahahaha!" speech.

Dwarf
Gimli

Hobbits
Merry
Pippin

Man
Hama

Last day until the finale, I shall with-hold my vote incase if we happen to have a double-castaway. So, don't force me make a decision. :p

[Lalaith]

This is going to be about as interesting as the Big Brother when that deadly-dull Orkney fisherman won.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I have lost all. There is nothing left for me here, nobody worthy of winning !
:(
I do not think i will be posting again any time soon.

:(


My only comfort is that Eowyn got the kick.

[Formendacil]

This is going to be about as interesting as the Big Brother when that deadly-dull Orkney fisherman won.

Come now! A rascally mushroom-thieving Fool of a Took with no sense of risk? A weed-smoking, intelligent, letting-others-take the risks, Hobbit in tweeds? A distraught lover with only three strands of hair as a memory, coupled with an incredibly violent axe? An arrogant Rider, the stickler for the rules, and intent on removing the axe from the Dwarf?

Interesting is the right word to use, and not in a sarcastic sense.

[The Saucepan Man]

This is a family site so I'll say it in a nice Victorian way: pull the other one, it's got bells on.Actually, Lal, I spoke the truth. I liked Eowyn and would have voted to save her had I been here. But Galadriel? She thought that it was a done deal. She thought that she had seen what would yet come to pass. Happily, her Mirror showed her things that were, and things that are, and things that ain't never gonna happen. That's what you get for relying on Magic Mirrors. :rolleyes:

Now that there is one in each tribe save the Hobbit Tribe, I shall hold true to my stated aim of maintaining equilibrium. Reluctantly, but dutifully, I shall oblige in the eviction of Merry - but I beseech ye all, every one, please leave Master Peregrine alone. After all that he has been through, the plucky little fella deserves to be in the final.

[mormegil]

Sorry SpM we diverge here.

I prefer Merry to Pippin

++Pippin

[The Saucepan Man]

I warn you. If Pippin looks to be in danger, I shall have no alternative but to renounce my oath of equilibrium.

Hmm, two Hobbits in the final. Now, there's an idea ... :p

[The Saucepan Man]

Talking of which, what's Hama doing still here? All he ever did was tell Aragorn to put his sword down. Surely, he's dined out on that story for long enough?

Can we really have Hama in a LotR Survivor final? It hardly presents the right image now does it?

Whereas Pippin sums up the very essence of one of Tolkien's key themes: The ennoblement of the humble.

[Firefoot]

I don't want to vote for either hobbit. I would prefer to vote for Gimli, but I'm open to voting out Hama.

Not only is Gimli useless, but he also gives up part of his heritage in order to become an Elf-friend. What kind of Dwarf values hair over gems and riches? And he doesn't stay loyal to his father at all, instead getting all chummy with Elf-boy. Blood is thicker than water and all that, but Gimli doesn't seem to think so. He ought to be proud to be a Dwarf!

[mormegil]

Talking of which, what's Hama doing still here? All he ever did was tell Aragorn to put his sword down. Surely, he's dined out on that story for long enough?



Hama is the underdog and good TV drama always has an underdog for all to cheer for. Now we have the odds you gave here though you were a bit pessimistic about Pippin I think so that is skewed otherwise I like it.

Dwarves/Elves
Galadriel: 2-1 joint favourite
Glorfindel: 2-1 joint favourite
Gimli: 20-1
Gloin: 50 - 1

Hobbits/Ent
Quickbeam: 200 - 1
Merry: 16 - 1
Pippin: 24 - 1

Men/rohan lady
Eomer: 8 - 1
Eowyn: 3-1
Hama: 25 - 1

Now you will notice that by your own admission Hama is the greatest underdog. And know you are saying you will break an oath to save Pippin? Surely we expect more from somebody with such lofty ideals.

Hama should be our champion of the first LotR survivor. Though I think I've developed enough Anti-Mormegil sentiment that saying that probably doomed him today. I just hope that sentiment doesn't carry forward to Silm Survivor.

[Gurthang]

Hmm, two Hobbits in the final. Now, there's an idea ... :p

Aha! A fight to the DEATH. Then we shall see the bonds of frienship break and find the true drive of their hearts. Do they so long for the prize that they will renounce their strongest relationship? Or will they relinquish victory for the less sweet, longer lasting taste of companionship? Is friendship greater than treasure? Is Pippin greater than Merry? I've got to find out!

++Gimli & Hama :p :D

[The Saucepan Man]

Ah but morm, those odds would have been updated with each day's voting. Still, I am glad that no one took me up on them at the time. A Hama win would have taken me to the cleaners. :rolleyes:

I am actually sympathetic to the portrayal of Hama as the underdog. But not at the expense of young Master Peregrine.

[WaynetheGoblin]

++pipin.

[Celuien]

Hama should be our champion of the first LotR survivor. Though I think I've developed enough Anti-Mormegil sentiment that saying that probably doomed him today. I just hope that sentiment doesn't carry forward to Silm Survivor.

With Galadriel gone, I would have supported Hama as the unlikely "who in Middle-earth is that" victor, but I can't do it now. :p

++HAMA THE HAMMY

Purely out of spite.

[Glirdan]

++Hama

I lost all faith now that Galadriel and Eowyn are gone. I will get RETRIBUTION!!!!

[Gurthang]

++Gimli & Hama :p :D

Yeah, that's probably not gonna count. (not that I ever thought it would) So:

--Gimli & Hama

It's still between those two though, cuz I want to see this Merry and Pippin brawl. I've got nothing against Gimli, but Hama already has a couple votes, so I'll even it out a little.

++Gimli

[Boromir88]

Hmm, two Hobbits in the final. Now, there's an idea ...
Two hobbits in the final could be good for the ratings, especially such good long time friends of Merry and Pippin, they're bound to betray one another for supreme survivor, much more so then if only one of them were in.

[arcticstorm]

There is only one person I would like to see win more than Gimli, and that is Hama, so as it seems like he is the only other alternative to be kicked off, ++Gimli

[Folwren]

Glirdan...understand...you must understand...I...

I go for Pippin because I think that the more races at the end would be great. But I don't want to hurt you, so I do not go for Merry. And mind this -

Originally posted by Boromir 88:
Two hobbits in the final could be good for the ratings, especially such good long time friends of Merry and Pippin, they're bound to betray one another for supreme survivor, much more so then if only one of them were in.

We don't want that to happen. Glirdan, please understand.

++Pippin

I'm really sorry. I really, really am. I did all I could to save Eowyn. I was not aware that Galadriel was in danger until too late.

Don't hate me.

-- Folwren

[Firefoot]

++Gimli

Useless character.

Folwren, anyone who hates you because of a mistake in this ultimately irrelevant Mirth thread is absurd, and you shouldn't care about them anyway. :cool: :D

[Glirdan]

Glirdan...understand...you must understand...I...

I go for Pippin because I think that the more races at the end would be great. But I don't want to hurt you, so I do not go for Merry. And mind this -



We don't want that to happen. Glirdan, please understand.

++Pippin

I'm really sorry. I really, really am. I did all I could to save Eowyn. I was not aware that Galadriel was in danger until too late.

Don't hate me.

-- Folwren

But....but...but......... Oh my!! I think I'm going to faint!!! *Thud* *Splash* What!?!? Oh right!!! I don't hate you friend, but I can't believe you'd turn your back on him....... I'm in shock..... Major shock....................... :(

[Anguirel]

Oh, come on. Downers, this really is your last chance to escape the chain of Saucie.

Vote ++PIPPIN.

And I'm supporting Gimli for the final, to avenge the Lady of the Golden Wood...

[Lalaith]

Actually Merry was right from the start one of my final hopefuls so I suppose I should be backing him.

But right now I'm so bored with this lacklustre quartet I'm expected to get excited about (Merry - short; Pippin - short; Hama - ugly; Gimili - short and ugly) and so hacked off with their ghastly crew of blokey supporters that if I participate at all I fear it will be on Anguirel's "causing as much unhappiness as possible" principle.

[Celuien]

You know, there's something to be said for the causing as much unhappiness as possible principle. I'm certainly unhappy right now.

--HAMA
++PIPPIN

I will keep my favored contestant a closely guarded secret for now.

[The Saucepan Man]

So let me get this straight. Those contestants who have aroused particular passion (strong likes/dislikes) among the viewers have either been evicted straight off or targetted in revenge for someone having voted for a favourite. People get really involved and therefore really upset when one of their favourites is voted off (I should imagine that this includes most if not all of us by now). The only contestants who are left (once Pip goes today :( ) will be those that no one has really cared about strongly enough either to support or target for eviction with any degree of conviction. So the winner ends up being a rather bland "compromise" candidate - someone who has been neither the favourite nor the least favourite of those who have participated in the voting.

Boro, may I congratulate you on managing to capture the essence of "real" Reality TV in this thread with such incredible accuracy. :D

Sad to say, but I rather like Reality TV (although the endless "variations" on the original theme are becoming somewhat repetitive) and so I tend to watch it quite a bit. And this thread has gone almost exactly the same way that most of them go. :rolleyes:

[Folwren]

But....but...but......... Oh my!! I think I'm going to faint!!! *Thud* *Splash* What!?!? Oh right!!! I don't hate you friend, but I can't believe you'd turn your back on him....... I'm in shock..... Major shock....................... :(

Glirdan, look...I can't go any other way. It would be unfair to Faramir and Eomer and Eowyn and all the men if we took off the last man in this game. Yes, I understand that it's a major shock. And it's not like I like Hama any more than Pippin, but Hama's a man, and he was faithful. I didn't turn my back on him. I kept him here until the very end. He won't have to wait for Merry long.

Also, Glirdan, consider. SpM was one of the only people we had left to get back at for kicking Sam off. Don't you see how much he wants Pippin to stay? In voting off Pippin, we may hurt ourselves a little, but we're getting our retribution for SpM throwing Sam, and all the others off earlier. Do you see?

Come on, ol' chap. Don't take it so hard.

-- Folwren

[The Saucepan Man]

Boy, you really bear a grudge, Folwren, don't you?

Only when it's necessary, actually. I'll be quite willing to forgive you all when either your cause or mine is quite without hope.

Also, Glirdan, consider. SpM was one of the only people we had left to get back at for kicking Sam off. Don't you see how much he wants Pippin to stay? In voting off Pippin, we may hurt ourselves a little, but we're getting our retribution for SpM throwing Sam, and all the others off earlier. Do you see? :rolleyes:

[Folwren]

Hey, it wasn't my idea to keep with the retribution so long.

Also, voting for Pippin was done for more than just getting you back, SpM. I may say that that reason was the last. It's mostly making up to someone. So don't flatter yourself.

--Folwren

[the guy who be short]

Now, now. I like Gimli. Others like Pippin. Nobody cares about Hama.

The best thing to do would be to all agree to kick of Hama, leaving us with three interesting candidates in the final round. Can anybody think of a good reason he should stay over one of the other three?

Thought so.

++Hama

[Folwren]

.........................


Whereas Pippin sums up the very essence of one of Tolkien's key themes: The ennoblement of the humble.

.........................

I don't know what to say. Words choke me...

Ennoblement of the humble?

WHAT ON EARTH DO YOU THINK SAM WAS THERE FOR?!

Yes! Okay, so I do bear a grudge! Pippin's going down, if only for your sake! How could you - you of all people - say such a thing?

Augh!

-- Folwren

(Jack would much better be able to handle this situation......)

[Folwren]

I should really just leave this thread and come back later when I'm not riled up.


The best thing to do would be to all agree to kick of Hama, leaving us with three interesting candidates in the final round. Can anybody think of a good reason he should stay over one of the other three?


Yes, actually. So that as many races as possible last to the end. So that someone, if only Hama, can be here to represent all the awesome characters that were kicked off from that group. You know, if...never mind.

-- Folwren

[the guy who be short]

Yes, actually. So that as many races as possible last to the end. So that someone, if only Hama, can be here to represent all the awesome characters that were kicked off from that group. You know, if...never mind.I meant a non politically correct reason. :p

[Lalaith]

a good reason he should stay over one of the other three?

Oh yes. I'm just chilling it in the fridge as I write. You know, the dish best eaten cold and all that.

[Anguirel]

You have the right of it, m'lady.

Saucie, if this is an anticlimactic finish, know that you, weeding out anyone interesting but your candidate, have caused it.

But I would contend that Gimli, Lord of Aglarond, deserves victory now; and that the comeuppance of the Pan Man is long, long overdue.

[The Saucepan Man]

Goodness me! Calm down everyone! It's only a game (show). :D

So don't flatter yourself.Er, I was rather under the impression that it was you who was attributing your vote to your (seemingly endless) quest to avenge yourself on me.

Ennoblement of the humble?

WHAT ON EARTH DO YOU THINK SAM WAS THERE FOR?!Yeah, but Sam got kicked off early in the show. :p (He got voted off by a majority, might I add, not just one (my) vote. Sheesh! I am really being given far to much credit for the way the voting has gone than I deserve here.) That being the case, of the remaining contestants, Pippin best represents the theme in my opinion.

Yes! Okay, so I do bear a grudge! Pippin's going down, if only for your sake!Am I to feel flattered? Or am I flattering myself again? ;)

You know, the dish best eaten cold and all that.I am sorry that you still hold Galadriel's eviction against me, Lal (even though mine was, again, only one vote amongst many). But I don't go in for positive discrimination. All these arguments about keeping so-and-so because they are the only female left leave me cold. If I don't like a contestant, I'll vote for them whatever their gender.

But I would contend that Gimli, Lord of Aglarond, deserves victory now; and that the comeuppance of the Pan Man is long, long overdue.I might point out that (unlike some that I could mention) I have never voted for a contestant purely to spite a fellow viewer. I have voted for those who I felt deserved to go and to try to protect my favoured contestant. If I have upset people by doing so (and clearly I have), well tough. That's the way these things go.

Assuming that Pip goes today (which looks likely), I really have no preference for who wins the thing. Whoever wins out of the three, I would not feel unduly upset, but neither would I feel overly enthusiastic. As I said, just as in "real" Reality Shows, we end up with a compromise candidate. And that, my dear Ang, is most certainly not solely down to me, but to everyone who has participated in the voting.

[Anguirel]

I'm not voting Pippin purely to spite you, Saucie...alright, maybe largely, but not purely.

There is the fact that he's an irritating hairy little waistcoated pocket-watch wearing credit-stealing whining scion of the decadent and debauched Thaindom. Down with him and his ilk!

[Lalaith]

mine was, again, only one vote amongst many

Of course, Saucie my dear. And you are by no means the only victim on my list.

[The Saucepan Man]

There is the fact that he's an irritating hairy little waistcoated pocket-watch wearing credit-stealing whining scion of the decadent and debauched Thaindom. Down with him and his ilk!Scandalous! I would never stoop so low as to misrepresent the facts like that. ;) :D

[The Saucepan Man]

Of course, Saucie my dear. And you are by no means the only victim on my list.Well, once Pip's gone, I am not sure that there is much material left with which to wreak your vengeance. I don't think that anyone is particularly enthusiastic, one way or the other, about the remaining candidates.

[Alcarillo]

++Pippin

Muahaha! For vengeance!

[Lalaith]

I don't think that anyone is particularly enthusiastic, one way or the other, about the remaining candidates

Oh I don't know. I believe that TGWBS is quite fond of a certain dwarf...and there might be other preferences emerging that will be monitored with interest...

(Sorry Ang, you've been a brick throughout, as the Famous Five would say, and I'd like to support your candidate. But right now, I'd rather just be mindlessly spiteful. "Cold are the counsels of women".)

[The Saucepan Man]

Oh I don't know. I believe that TGWBS is quite fond of a certain dwarf...and there might be other preferences emerging that will be monitored with interest...Really? Then we must stomp on them without further delay! It is absolutely essential that no one but no one comes out of this competition satisfied with the result. :rolleyes:

Muahaha! For vengeance!Good grief! Now I am having vengeance visited upon me by those who I didn't even know that I had upset ... :eek:

Let's end this now.

++ PIPPIN

With feelings running so high and baying of the mob ringing in his ears, I am concerned that it is no longer in the poor chap's interests to remain on the Island. I would not wish to see his innocence tainted by the lies and falsehoods being peddled here.

And he is far too worthy to win a crude game-show like this. :p

[Formendacil]

Well, once Pip's gone, I am not sure that there is much material left with which to wreak your vengeance. I don't think that anyone is particularly enthusiastic, one way or the other, about the remaining candidates.

You underestimate the power of the Mirth Forum...

Some of us, not caught up entirely in the vengeance element of repaying the evictions of our favourite characters (heck, I EVICTED my favourite characters), are busy fulfilling the mandate of the forum, and working at killing off characters with as much Mirth as may be...

And to Folwren & Co.:

'Tis most shameful of you to direct all your anger at Master Saucepan Man, but the fact of the matter is that he is only ONE of those who have been consistently voting off your favourites. He only has ONE vote after all. And while I might have been a willing member of the Anti-Celeborn League, the fact is that I have been eagerly voting off ANY member of the island who is the current favourite (Faramir, Eowyn, Glorfindel, Galadriel...)

And since, in the last week or so, that has been most of the candidates that the Anti-Saucie League has been pushing to keep, that's where I have been voting...

However, since Master Saucepan Man seems to be the only one left with a favourite, it's time for me to turn my bandwaggon around, and point it at Pippin.

Peregrin Took, as we all know, is among the most flippant of hobbits. The case against his lack of seriousness is so concisely put by Gandalf that all I can do is restate it: "Pippin is an incredible Fool of a Took".

In additional to his Foolishness of being a Took, Pippin is also well-known for his weed habit as well as his fungus habit. Merry, the other remaining hobbit, has it as well, but not so bad. One will note that Merry is able to part with his remaining stash of weed when he sees an old man in need of comforting, even though it is rudely received, and he won't see any more until Bree.

So off with the Habit! I mean the Hobbit!!

++Pippin

[the guy who be short]

Come now! Pippin is tiny. Pick on somebody your own size!

[The Saucepan Man]

However, since Master Saucepan Man seems to be the only one left with a favourite, it's time for me to turn my bandwaggon around, and point it at Pippin.No problem, Form. He needs to go for his own good. The (pipe)weed was feeding his paranoia and had him convinced that the other Islanders were plotting to do away with him and his hallucinations have been getting out of control. Goodness only knows what he might do were he aware of the level of feeling against him out in the real world.

As soon as he leaves the Island, he will be whisked away by those that care for him and checked into a rehabilitation clinic. Poor little soul. Much like a child prodigy grown old before his time, the glare of the media spotlight really was all too much for him. :(

[Formendacil]

Come now! Pippin is tiny. Pick on somebody your own size!

How do you know what size I am, Guy Who is Short?

Besides, that reminds me of ANOTHER addiction he had going: Entdraughts. What's the breath of life to an Ent is a heady brew for a small (or not so small anymore) Hobbit. He's "high" off it...

[Kath]

Poor old Pip, looks like he's off today no matter what!

++HAMA

Is my vote though. To try and get people into doing this tomorrow. I'm not sure how the guy made it this far, especially with some of the competition he had! I mean, what did he really do? So he made Aragorn put down his sword - oh, wait no that was actually Gandalf. Well that's his claim to fame gone - imposter! Throw him off the island in disgrace!

[Anguirel]

I'm not sure how the guy made it this far, especially with some of the competition he had! I mean, what did he really do?

Question.

I mean, what did he really do?

Answer!

Really, I've come round to Saucie's view on this. (Shock horror!) Sardonic but true...

[WaynetheGoblin]

--pipin
++hama :smokin:

[Boromir88]

Pippin- 7
Hama- 4
Gimli- 3

I think it's safe to say that Merry has secured a spot in the final, with very little time left in voting, I'd say Gimli's a lock too.

[Kath]

Anguirel I'm sorry but I truly don't understand your last post. I've been puzzling over it and just can't work out what it is you are saying! Help?

[Boromir88]

With that, Pippin takes a most graceful exit (after a few pints) and went straight to the inn on the boat.

With that, we have reached the finale! What we all (or atleast I have) been waiting for what started out with this long list:

Hobbits:
Frodo
Sam
Merry
Pippin
Bilbo
Lobelia Sackville-Baggins
Lotho Sackville-Baggins
Gollum

Men and Rohan Lady:
Aragorn
Boromir
Denethor
Faramir
Theoden
Eomer
Eowyn
Grima
Hama

Wizards:
Gandalf
Saruman
Radagast
Alatar
Pallando

Elves:
Elrond
Arwen
Glorfindel
Galadriel
Celeborn
Legolas
Haldir
Thranduil
Cirdan

Dwarves:
Gimli
Gloin

Others:
Treebeard
Quickbeam
Tom Bombadil
Goldberry

Badguys:
Sauron
Witch-King
Gothmog
Ugluk
Grishnakh

Has now turned into:

Dwarf- Gimli
Hobbit- Merry
Man- Hama

Here is a reminder on how this will go...

1) You vote for the person you WANT to win.

2) Votes will be irretractable. By this time you should know who you want to win. If you decide to take back your vote, NEITHER of your votes will count.

3) I will not vote unless we have a tie. This I think benefits in a few ways. First, take my word for it (I'm asking you to trust Boromir of all people ) that if there is a tie, and I have to decide it will be unbiased.

In the event of a tie, is the only time that I CAN vote. The way I'll judge is creativity and it's got to be atleast related to LOTR in some way of the arguments you give for your person and against the others (I'll give some examples). So, my decision will be based on how convincing you make your arguments for why the person you voted for should win, and why the other two should lose.

This also, I think makes sure I just don't get a bunch of votes in here, and that we get the true thread quality at the end. This way, JUST in case if there is a tie, the decision will be up to me, on how well you have argued for your person.

For kind of what I'm looking for in the arguments at the end, here's the way to do it, and the way not to do it. As I said, I'll be looking for creativity and whether it's related to LOTR in any way.

For example, I'll use Gil, I fail to see how stealing his pies is LOTR related. Though it may be creative, unless he can convince me what stealing his pies has anything to do with LOTR, I'll have to say that this would not be a good argument.

For a good example...funny I'll use Gil again. When voting for Elrond he said..."Yeah, I'm dead because of him, that jerk." I found this extremely funny, and it does relate to LOTR...Gil-galad...dead because of Elrond.

Also, I found Formendacil's Eomer the Uruk, Galadriel the Balrog, Quickbeam the troll, quite hilarious as they're basically polar opposites. Though Formendacil, I'll say I think Glorfindel would be a better balrog candidate then Galadriel.

So, remember, be convincing, choose wisely, and DONT take back your vote. Good luck to the best-of-the-best at LOTR Survivor.

[Glirdan]

Wow!!!! This is going to be tough. At least one of my favorites is in there, but hey all deserve to win in some way. I'm going to have to think about this and get back to you on my vote......

[Lalaith]

Anguirel I'm sorry but I truly don't understand your last post

The poor man is crazed by grief and disappointment. I hope you're all proud of yourselves.

[arcticstorm]

When all others fled the battlefield and withdrew into the caves this guy stood firm at the hornburg. HE contfronted the Uruk-hai at the gate almost single-handedly. He was the best warrior in the entire land of Rohan, and gave his life for his country, yet not even Mandos could keep him, and he is back. Therfore he deserves the title of the ulitmate Lord of the Rings survivor.
++HAma

[mormegil]

The poor man is crazed by grief and disappointment. I hope you're all proud of yourselves.

How frightfully splendid. :D ;)

Hama is the underdog and nobody saw him making it this far, but WE DID IT BABY!!! The underdog winning the competition makes everybody feel good, except for the loosers but this is about the audience. Plus Hama has a wife and family that could live a long time on the weath acquired from winning this money. Whereas Gimli is a dwarf and has no such need for money and Merry lives in the shire where bringing in such money from foreign parts will be looked down upon with contempt and suspicion. Plus after such a ravaging war on Rohan their economy could use the little boost.

++HAMA

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

aye support the door-ward of Medusel.

As said he was fighting most heroic at Hornburg, to be buried in a separate mound was too little a praise. Give him this one too.

Plus he has the same name as the younger son of Helm Hammerhand ! (that is reason enough to vote for him)

++Háma

[Glirdan]

++Merry

My favorite little Hobbit mad it this far, let's see if his friendship and trusting personality can see him through to the end. He's such a brave little Hobbit, and now that I think about it, he did get very little praise for wounding the Witch-King. He deserves this great honour to show his valour.

[Gil-Galad]

lets see....Hama is dead so hes a creep, Gimli is hitting on elf-women, so that leaves Merriadoc Brandybuck, even though he stole my MUSHROOM Pie, i can forgive him that little rascal, after all he did do alot and went bravely into battle at Pelenoor fields...hes a fiesty one

[Formendacil]

I should like to submit that Hama is one of the true heroes of Middle-Earth.

There has been great discussion among those learned scholars who frequent the CbC discussions (no relation of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) that the experience given Aragorn upon the doorstep of Meduseld was instrumental in teaching him the proper humility when dealing with rules and regulations. I should like to submit that it was Hama, whose impeccable loyalty to Theoden is beyond doubt, who is responsible for that incident. Would Gandalf have had his companions disarm had Hama not required it? Of course not...

Further examination of this incident will show that Hama DEFEATED Aragorn. That's right, folks, our humble doorwarden prevailed over the Heir of Isildur. Doesn't that tell you things about him?

The only remaining event chronicled in the Lord of the Rings concerning Hama is that he fell at Helm's Deep. "He fell before the Gate" says the book. Many take that as a sign that Hama's contribution was insignificant, not worth recording in the Red Book. But I submit to you that the Red Book was written by the Hobbits, none of whom were present at Helm's Deep, and had never met him or had any reason to care for him (they were, after all, buddies of the defeated Aragorn).

Although no evidence from the Lord of the Rings can be shown to directly prove Hama's very important contribution to the battle, I believe that the honour of his resting place ought to show something to this effect:

In a grave alone under the shadow of the Hornburg lay Hama, captain of the King's Guard.

Why did Hama alone have a private grave? Surely other captains of Rohan fell in the battle. I submit to you my thesis that it was extremely great valour in the battle, which must have played an important part in the survival of king and country.

And so, I present my vote:

++Hama

[wilwarin538]

I will vote for:

++Merry

Cause he's so cute. :D

[Anguirel]

Cute he may be, but has he been supplying the tribes with firewood?

Has he been cunningly preventing fratricidal Elf/Dwarf war?

Is he a noted diamond smuggler?

I think not. Ladies and gentlemen, take this chance to show your taste and quality. Vote for the only candidate remaining with a cogent personality. He may be short, but he's hardy and loyal; he keeps a mind to practicalities like food, shelter, and rest; truly

++GIMLI SON OF GLOIN, LORD OF AGLAROND

has shown himself worthy to be...the Survivor!

(All Elf-lovers should support Gimli too-he's the closest thing to an Elf left, which is quite sad really...)

[Celuien]

Hama is pointless. He couldn't even do his job when he was doorwarden - Gandalf got his staff inside, didn't he?

I like Merry, but I won't vote for a cute character. Cuteness is highly overrated.

So that leaves

++GIMLI, SON OF GLOIN.

As Anguirel has said, he is loyal, practical and the hardest working contestant remaining. And, he is a brilliant diplomat and visionary who forged friendship between Elves and Dwarves after millenia long conflict. As such, he deserves to win.

[Boromir88]

Votes so far are...

Hama- 4
Gimli- 2
Merry- 2

[Firefoot]

++Merry

This is one character who deserves some recognition. He's one of those people without whom nothing would go right, yet people seem intent on forgetting him anyway!

He is the one who organized the conspiracy to make sure Frodo didn't do something stupid. He's the one who knew about the Old Forest and the path inside. If not for him, the hobbits and Strider would not have been alerted to the presence of the Black Riders in Bree.

Then for a while he is just sort of in the background, but that isn't his fault that he's overshadowed by all these other high and mighty sorts! He can't help it that he's neither big nor particularly strong, but he does his best and does his part. He's one of those people who join the Fellowship purely because of his friendship with and loyalty to Frodo.

At the Breaking of the Fellowship, he proves he can keep his head - he attempts to cut off as many arms and hands of the Orcs as he can before receiving his head wound. Of course he must recover from this before he can help very much, but he quickly catches on to Pippin's game and once they have escaped, once more proves his worth. Though overloooked in Rivendell, clearly he had not wasted his time. He had looked at maps and knew rather where they were. It was he and Pippin who met Treebeard - Treebeard who, due to their oft-overlookedness, didn't even know what a Hobbit was! Gandalf seems to be the only one who ever acknowledges his part in the breaking of Isengard.

Then, Theoden doesn't even see how Merry can be of use in battle and so orders him to stay behind. Merry continues on, though, not in disloyalty but because of loyalty. He wanted to do his part to help, and he does, playing an all-important part in slaying the Witch-king, who had noticed him as little more than a worm in the mud. Even after that, no one notices him! He has to drag himself up into the city, despite being injured and sick.

Afterwards, Frodo and Sam get all this praise - "Praise them with great praise!" But once more, Merry is horribly overlooked. All he ever receives in reward is a little horn.

For once, Merry deserves some recognition. He should be the sole survivor.

Besides... he's the character who's most like me! ;) (Well... half the time. The other half it's Frodo, but that's irrelevant. :D )

[WaynetheGoblin]

++gimly.

[Lalaith]

The question to ask yourself here is, are you a Cavalier or a Roundhead?
Do you lean towards lace, fine wine, polished banter and skilled swordplay, or starched linen, stern looks and dismal meals taken in joyless silence?

Speaking as an unabashed, unashamed Cavalier, this is not the finale I'd hoped for. The New Model Army of Roundheads among the voters have wreaked their dour puritan vengeance on most of our dashing and glamorous contestants.

Who remains who can bring a little colourful splash of gallantry to the winner's podium?

Not Hama. Like that dreary Orkney fisherman I mentioned earlier (dullest ever winner of Big Brother) he is the very model of a Roundhead - worthy, earnest and oh so NOT who you'd like to be sat next to at a dinner party.

Gimli - well, a possible. He is a worshipper at the golden shrine of the glamorous Galadriel, he loved bright shiny things, such as the Glittering Caves. And my Survivior ally Anguirel wants him to win.


But then there is Merry. Lordly, folk called him, meaning nothing but good. He has panache, he has courage, he was not too proud to sit behind a woman and he was by far the coolest hobbit in the Scouring of the Shire chapter. A man of principle but also of decisive and practical action:

"it will certainly mean fighting. You won’t rescue Lotho, or the Shire, just by being shocked and sad, my dear Frodo."

What is more, the beloved memory of Eomer and Eowyn would be honoured by his win. Merry is the only remaining Cavalier, and so he gets my vote.
++MERRY

PS There was a part of me that just wanted to wait to see what Mormegil would do and then do the precise opposite. But I am bigger than that.

[Anguirel]

Lalaith, I too am a firm Cavalier. I believe Gimli qualifies as one, in the end.

Looks aren't everything. Charles II himself admitted "God's fish, I am an ugly fellow!" What matters is culture, chivalry, courtesy, wit. Gimli possesses these in unusual abundance.

He sings the song of Durin. He gallantly requests three of Galadriel's hairs; in the game of wooing he is strides ahead of the cold, formal Aragorn, and only slightly behind Faramir.

He knows the chivalrous choice is to rescue Merry and Pippin. He declines to sing of the East, showing great tact. Once in Rohan, he behaves with proper hauteur but is not too strict about grudges. He saves Eomer's life despite their quarrel. He takes part in a "joust" with Master Elf.

He conquers his fears and passes the Paths of the Dead with supreme knightly courage. And then there is his final, glorious, romantic altercation with Eomer-

(paraphrasing) "You have chosen the evening. But I prefer the morning, and I fear it may soon pass."

Well, it did, in the person of Lady Galadriel, but Gimli's still here, and I exhort that you vote for him. Sir Gimli-knight, gallant, cavalier, paragon of chivalry and oldie courtesie!

[mormegil]

I wouldn't say Gimli conquered the paths of the dead. More accurate would be to say that he was so shamed that he was more or less forced to do it. And all this talk of Gimli forging Elf/Dwarf relationships is a misrepresentation of the actual facts. The truth is, it was Galadriel that began the reforging and Gimli was simply the witless dwarf who was caught under her enchantment

[Anguirel]

I didn't say he conquered the Paths of the Dead either. I said he conquered his fears, a far more important achievement. Who showed the greater courage-Aragorn, who knew he could not be touched, or Gimli, who had no such assurance?

And your comment about Galadriel is rather rich in light of your vote for her, driving her off the island. Besides, it was clearly Gimli who took the initiative in requesting the hairs and in becoming a battle brother of Legolas. Since Legolas stayed into the Fourth Age and Galadriel didn't, this friendship did far more for Elf-Dwarf harmony than any manipulation you can attribute to Galadriel.

[Lalaith]

I will not dispute you, Anguirel, over Gimli's virtues - they make him a very worthy runner-up.

But surely Merry, whose very name is the personification of this contest's arena of Mirth, is a more deserving overall champion.

Vote for the Laughing Cavalier!

[Anguirel]

The problem with Merry as Cavalier is he lacks the crucial element of Royalist romanticism. Namely, his ending is prosaic but happy.

Gimli, on the other hand, ends up following a strange people in resignation and defeat in pursuit of a final sight of an unattainable love. Sigh.

Hence, Gimli is the Cavalier, Merry the burlesque Restoration hero. And I know which one I inevitably prefer.

If you profess Romanticism, if you are caught into Tolkien because of the loss, the Long Defeat, the gallant but helpless defiance and delaying of the inevitable with unimpeachable bravery...if you surge with excitement at "he died with the Dawn in his eyes..."

Then Gimli is your man, or rather Dwarf. Vote accordingly!

EDIT: Note for reader's interest-the man portrayed in the painting "The Laughing Cavalier" is neither laughing nor a Cavalier!

It's rather like the Holy Roman Empire...

[Alcarillo]

++Gimli

For being a Cavalier! And Anguirel has convinced me.

[Lalaith]

Ok, I'm talking mostly to the girls now.

What does Gimli actually *do* for his beloved lady? How exactly does he serve her, in any practical sense? He's all talk and no trousers. We all know the type.
Compare this to Merry:

He clenched his hand. She should not die, so fair, so desperate. At least she should not die alone, unaided.

I'm sorry, no contest.

[Anguirel]

Hama-4
Merry-4
Gimli-4

Hmmm. It's, er, quite close...

EDIT: Lalaith, you skirted the Romanticism point! Anyway, because Gimli carries Galadriel's favour, all his subsequent valiant deeds count as in her service-and are in her service, as they are in the service of all the Free Peoples.

Galadriel's message sent after Gimli, calling him Lockbearer, shows she is aware and appreciative of his valour. Note his joyous reaction to this.

In more practical tems, Gimli twice challenges the far larger and probably more powerful Eomer over Galadriel's beauty and virtue, defending her from any insult. Let me sum up this dutiful service-

Then I must go for my axe.

The clincher-Merry commits a crime which no true Romantic or hopelessly valiant Cavalier would stoop to. He marries and settles down!

[mormegil]

Ok, I'm talking mostly to the girls now.

What does Gimli actually *do* for his beloved lady? How exactly does he serve her, in any practical sense? He's all talk and no trousers. We all know the type.
Compare this to Merry:



I'm sorry, no contest.

Now Hama if you look at him, it's safe to assume he was a family man and one can properly infer from his character type the he was as fiercely loyal to his family as he was to his country. Hama, is a man, albeit no the most attractive, but loyal to family, friends and country. He loved those whom he served and on top of that he had a well respected job that probably paid fairly well and didn't require much travel. On the other hand, again this is to the ladies, Gimli and Merry would rather have adventures than to stay at home with the wife and kids. Which type of man would you truly prefer?

[Anguirel]

Gimli and Merry would rather have adventures than to stay at home with the wife and kids. Which type of man would you truly prefer?

You're otherlooking one possibly small and academic subtlety, old boy. Neither Merry nor Gimli at the time of the War of the Ring had "wife and kids". Their first loyalty was to their friends in carrying out the Quest of the Ring.

We know nothing *from the book* of Hama's family. As one of the King's closest guards and retainers, he was probably a huscarl of the royal household, forbidden to marry until estates were bestowed upon him. Therefore his loyalty was foremost to his King; and he carried this out pretty ineptly, allowing Wormtongue to gain ascendancy over Theoden through his lack of gumption, and when rescuers arrived trying to bar them from entry and remove their means of defence! Lucky he got the chop; Roundhead Hama is certainly a liability, and probably a dastardly Cromwellian Republican as well!

[Gurthang]

It is true a family man is good in some respects, but here in Survivor, it's dog-eat-dog. You can't be burdened by wife and children*! And in this competition, the hardiest will endure, so:

++Gimli

Get it won!


*Disclaimer: This statement serves only for this competition. I do not bear any ill will towards wives, kids, families, husbands, parents, or any such familial term. Nor do I think such ties are burdening, but rather enjoyable. Any offense to the above statement will be hereby disregarded, due to the fact that said statement was in jest and this disclaimer says that I can disregard any complaints. :p

[Anguirel]

Gurthang, my fellow extra-terrestial blade, you've made the right decision!

Vote for the Romantic Dwarf! The Axing Cavalier! The Lord of the Glittering Caves! The Champion of the Lady of the Golden Wood! The unbidden guest who proved most welcome!

Vote Gimli!

[Firefoot]

What does Gimli actually *do* for his beloved lady? What does Gimli do at all? Seriously, he's involved throughout the vast majority of the book, and what does he really do that couldn't have been easily done by someone else? Nothing! He's useless! He is completely unoutstanding, both as a character and as a player of Survivor! He pulls his weight, but he hasn't ever done anything of real benefit. The only real reason for his existence is so that there might be a representitive of his kindred. That's all he's good for, and he doesn't even do that well. He ends up almost more like an Elf than a Dwarf. Really.

[The Saucepan Man]

For my money, it should be personality and character that win this game. Unfortunately, as is often the way in Reality shows, most of the really great personalities have already been voted off. :(

But there is one ...

Let's look at the remaining trio:

First, Hama:

We know nothing *from the book* of Hama's family.I would go further and say that we know next to nothing of Hama himself from the book. What was he? A bouncer and a warrior. That's it. the sum total of his character as we know it. And he has shown little more in the show. OK, so he made Aragorn leave Anduril at the Door of Edoras, and I respect him for that. But really, he was only doing his duty. As he was when he fell at Helm's Deep. The man, from what we know and have seen of him, has no personality. No colour whatsoever.

What about Gimli? Yes, he was brave and loyal to the Quest. He has a certain sense of humour. And he struck up an unlikely friendship with Legolas. But only after the two had been together for a long time. His natural instinct, and the one which I feel that we must judge him on, is to tow the line and bear the traditional and irrational grudge which Dwarves hold againt Elves. Yes, it's reciprocated, but "an eye for an eye" is hardly an excuse (*glares at most fellow voters* ;) ). And while the oft repeated complaint that Gimli and Legolas have no character is generally over-stated, there is, sad to say, some truth to it. Of all the principal characters, we learn the least of these two. And then there are Gimli's less attractive qualities. He is grim, dour, often irritable and rather "scratchy". I am afraid that he is hardly Mister Personality.

And, finally, I come to Merry. Like others of his race, a purveyor of fine food, fine wine and fine pipeweed, Merry is someone who dispays a great love for life and all it has for offer. Undoubtedly as brave and loyal as Gimli, if not more so (given that the Dwarf has the advantage of physical stature and training over him), but with an infinately greater personality. A loyal friend, particularly to Frodo and Pippin, he set out on the Quest for the Ring out of friendship without knowing what lay ahead of him, but knowing that, whatever it was, it was grim and fearful. He masterminded the "conspiracy" which was unmasked at Crickhollow and went on to display great intelligence and practicality throughout the Quest (skills which he has put to great use on the Island, I might add - it was he who first mapped the Island and charted its flora and fauna so that the contestants might supplement their meagre rations from its natural bounty). And, of course, he participated in the greatest battle of the War of the Ring and played a central role in bringing down the Enemy's most powerful and dreaded Captain, almost at the cost of his life. Merry also showed that he could learn from his experiences, putting that which he had learned on the Quest to good use in organising the rebellion against Sharkey's men in the Scouring of the Shire. Is it any wonder that, after all this, he settled down with his wife and children? Yet he did not rest. He served his people dutifully as Master of Buckland and then again showed his adventurous spirit by particpating in this show.

Need I go on?

The only really deserving winner out of the three that are left. I give you ...

++MERIADOC BRANDYBUCK

[Anguirel]

What does Gimli do at all? Seriously, he's involved throughout the vast majority of the book, and what does he really do that couldn't have been easily done by someone else? Nothing! He's useless! He is completely unoutstanding, both as a character and as a player of Survivor! He pulls his weight, but he hasn't ever done anything of real benefit. The only real reason for his existence is so that there might be a representitive of his kindred. That's all he's good for, and he doesn't even do that well. He ends up almost more like an Elf than a Dwarf. Really.

Ooo, bitter.

He-

-provides someone readers can identify with when in the company of the perfect Aragorn and Legolas
-has pithy and intelligent wit, of the Tolkien, not PJ, sort
-plays at courtly love a damn sight better than the rest of the Fellowship put together
-saves Eomer twice and Aragorn once at Helm's Deep
-beats Legolas by an Orc
-is, on the contrary, a sardonic character, one of the few who consistently has the spirit to see the dark humour in impossible situations
-sings and dances
-says

Barak Khazad, Khazad Aimenu!

on numerous occasions, thereby displaying the essential, compelling quality of Dwarvendom-axing
-unlike cissy little hero-Hobbits and would-be-King Men, doesn't sully himself by effecting a plot unduly. Basically-along with Legolas-he has the dignity to stay peripheral.

Let me put it, Firefoot, in an analogy you'll sympathise with. If LOTR is an RP, Gimli's player shows an excellent style, lightens tension, engrosses the reader, while at the same time not domineering the storyline.

Rather like your Orc pair in Red Flows The Sirannon.

This is Gimli's purpose. He may not defeat Sauron or kill the Witch King, but he is a gripping and vital adornment to the books, and I would regret his omission from them far more than I would regret the passing of Meriadoc-AKA Yet Another Perfect Hobbit Hero...

Vote for the adornment of the books, the cynosure of earthy wit! Vote Gimli!

[Anguirel]

And while the oft repeated complaint that Gimli and Legolas have no character is generally over-stated, there is, sad to say, some truth to it. Of all the principal characters, we learn the least of these two. And then there are Gimli's less attractive qualities. He is grim, dour, often irritable and rather "scratchy". I am afraid that he is hardly Mister Personality.


You claim he has no personality and go on to list his personal attributes! In the words of the great Boris Johnson, the true sign of a "muddleheaded mugwump".

It's his scratchiness that makes him endearing, old chap! You have this vitally important world-saving quest. On it is a po-faced Wizard, a pompous man, an angsty man, two Hobbits who start vaguely amusing but sober up, two Hobbits who start depressed and get more so, and an Elf without flaws.

And you have Gimli. Gimli has the courage to stand up to the consensus. To poke fun at dire misfortune. And yet also to behave with gravitas when demanded. Whenever Aragorn or Gimli get too irritating, earthy Gimli takes them down a peg, whether by teasing the stiff necks of the Elves, or by insisting on a decent rest. He insists on following Merry and Pippin, and when he is reunited with them, he is gruff and mock-outraged.

Gimli is a typical, British, stiff-upper lip, keep on going, pessimistic Dwarf. For fans of Narnia, he serves the Puddleglum role. For fans of Bored of the Rings, I give you this splendid line-

If he says Lo one more time I'll chop his head off.

Vote for Gimli, voice of reason!

[The Saucepan Man]

You claim he has no personality and go on to list his personal attributes!I didn't say that he had no personality, Ang. Admittedly he has more character than Hama, but he hardly compares with Merry.

But I'm not going to fight with you, Ang. Not any more. I have stated my view and I stand by it. And really, that's what this is (and always should have been) all about. People's own views ...

[The Saucepan Man]

Actually, I will add one more thing and leave it at that. Merry is the only one of the remaining contestants who wrote a book! :D

[Anguirel]

Really, Saucie, where's your spirit? I was ready for a good old punch-up!

My views are that Gimli's personality, whether crotchety or courteous, outclasses Merry's responsible niceness. He's the epitome, Saucie, of the "nice but dull" characters you have crusaded against. But you're not going to do the same to him, because he's a blimming chirpy Hobbit gentleman, and you bear him sentimental attachment. That be the truth o' it!

That's my view. Let's see if the voters of the Downs agree, and turn out to support the beleaguered Dwarf stalwart, and (say it with me, Lalaith...) Cavalier!

EDIT: Gimli Gloinsson's On the Sparkliness of Diamonds won the Erebor Booker Prize. Its Khuzdul language and ill-received Sindarin translation by L. Thranduillion, however, limited its audience and it never made it into the record of the Red Book...

Votes:

Hama 4
Merry 5
Gimli 5

Vote for Gimli, literary genius!

[Kath]

++MERRY!

He made it through almost undetected I can't believe it! I think Firefoot and Saucie have put it beautifully - here be my winner.

[Anguirel]

Where art thou, Folwren?

Dwarf-lovers, come hither,
Come hither m' dears
For Aglarond's Lord we must not shed sad tears
Defend him, vote for him, rally to him hither...

Elf-lovers, ye may as well do just the same
For an Elf-friend is something, yea, e'en a Dwarf
And your support Gimli the Gloinsson is worth
Defend him vote for him, rally to him hither...

For the threatening shadow of Hobbitry comes
Those devilish train-builders, schemers and fiends
They win votes by slander and wickedest means
So thwart them, vote Gimli, come hither!

Do ye want a warrior or a midget?
A peddler of pipes and embezzler of aught?
Or a valiant axeman who nails fell Orcs
Of Sauron? Then rally, come hither!

[mormegil]

But I'm not going to fight with you, Ang. Not any more.


Really, Saucie, where's your spirit? I was ready for a good old punch-up!

Contentious little rascal this one is. After Saucepan told him he didn't want to argue he still delivered his pre-prepared arguement for Gimli. By supporting Gimli all you are supporting is contention and discord. Hama is a clear underdog and needs your support. What a triumph it would be to declare him our Lord of the Rings Survivor Champion. It would show that we appreciate the unsung hero. That just because they aren't mentioned many times in the books that we don't lessen their contribution, we value him and what he did. Plus we have moved into the age of men and it should by right be his prize to claim

On a humorous side note: Anguriel over 20% of your total posts come from this thread alone :eek:

[Anguirel]

Yes. And yet it's quite remarkable how little I've achieved...

Votes

Hama-4
Merry-6
Gimli-5

[the guy who be short]

++Gimli the Majik

Do I really need to explain it?

[Folwren]

++Gimli!

Because he's a Dwarf and Dwarves are cool! I've really gotten to like them these past few months....

-- Folwren

(Man, Ang, did you really think I'd be late? Go-olly! What little faith!)

[The 1,000 Reader]

++Merry.

He helped slay the Witch-King. That's good enough for me.

[Anguirel]

You made it, Folwren! Excellent...

Not that I doubted you for a moment, hem hem

Pah. Eowyn could have done it alone. Everyone knows the mystic Pankhurst-forged blades of the Suffragettes of the North are banes to the Nazgul...

[Folwren]

Originally posted by Anguirel:
Not that I doubted you for a moment, hem hem

:rolleyes:

My absense only failed to help...one or two people. It's not like I missed every voting time.

Herm...as for all these blamed votes for Merry...we're going to have some trouble if we don't get some Dwarven recruits in here.

-- Folwren

[mormegil]

I'm really struggling with the thought that Gimli might be our champion...I mean really Gimli.

[Formendacil]

I'm really struggling with the thought that Gimli might be our champion...I mean really Gimli.

I like it no more than you, but what can we do? It's all Boromir's fault for making votes non-retractable. :p

[Anguirel]

Hama-4
Merry-7
Gimli-7

[The Perky Ent]

++ Hama


He won't die!!!

[Nonnacedak]

++Hama

[mormegil]

Good, we only need one more vote for Hama to have him in the running....please somebody vote for him it's not too late.

[Boromir88]

Votings closed, and what do we have a tie between Merry and Gimli? Well I shall announce the winner shortly.

[Boromir88]

Well, it's been a very fun, eventful, joyous time here during these passed weeks.

It's been a very tough, tough decision for me. On one hand you have a Dwarf, who I think are the hardiest of races, able to stand up to Sauron's threat and say no, and on the other you have a hobbit who epitimizes (sp?) Tolkien's theme of Friendship.

At first, Firefoot's and Lalaith's comments got Merry out to a quick lead.

But, Anguirel's fiery words in Gimli's defense swayed it back towards Gimli.

Then we have Sauce's post of Merry's friendship. And as we see friendship is a key theme in Tolkien, it was the whole reason the Hobbits were in the Fellowship and not someone like Glorfindel. The Fellowship didn't need powerful elf-lords, they needed a group of friends that could get through the good, the bad, the ugly, the rough, and the trying.

But one comment really sticks out which was...
For once, Merry deserves some recognition. He should be the sole survivor.
Gimli is Lord of Aglarond, and he's going to The Undying Lands after this contest anyway. It's about time Merry gets the spotlight...

++Merry

And it's done, it's been fun y'all. :p

[mormegil]

I've had great fun, even though Sam didn't win and the person who won did so based on friendship (come on who's the best friend in the whole Middle-earth) and thank all who participated but especially Boromir for thinking up such a wonderful game. I look forward to voting off Feanor rather quickly on Silm

[wilwarin538]

And it's done, it's been fun y'all.

Wow, that is so depressing I feel some tears coming on. :(


I look forward to voting off Feanor rather quickly on Silm

I look forward to that. :D

[Kath]

Merry won! I can't quite believe it. Thanks Boromir, and thanks for a wonderfully entertaining and intense game, though I fear some of the members who have played here will remain enemies for life now!

[The Saucepan Man]

Hurrah! A Hobbit won! And a most deserving Hobbit at that. For once, a worthy winner of a Reality show. Now I can sleep easy.

My work here is done ...

[Glirdan]

YAY!!!!! I DID IT!!!! ONE OF MY FAVS MADE IT AND WON!!!!! YES!!!! All that hard work paid off!!!!! :D Now to go and get rid of Feanor.... *Mutters* Evil git!!!!

[Boromir88]

Morm, personally after Grishnakh, I was pulling for Hama the underdog, but I needed to come up with some way in case if we had a tie.

[The 1,000 Reader]

I am happy that Merry has won.

I'll be voting against Sauron in the Sil survivor. The Sil survivor sounds better the Slim survivor. That sounds like a weight-loss competition.

[Firefoot]

Oh yeah! Go Merry!

;) :D

[Folwren]

I don't know what to say. It's not...terrible that Merry won...but I would have liked to see Gimli take it home.

Boromir...are you quite certain that that vote was quite unbias? You could've flipped a coin. And ye know, if it had been based on arguments, I might have said more.

But *sigh* ... I won't complain.

Good game, everybody.

SpM and mormegil...I hope all hard words and feelings are forgiven. I guess I attacked SpM the most.

By the by, Morm - what exactly had you against Gimli?

-- Folwren

[arcticstorm]

I found it as fun, and for Silm Survivor, I am looking forward to that as well-- Arcticstorm, Founder of STFF (Save the Feanor Foundation)

[Folwren]

Originally posted by arcticstorm:
I found it as fun, and for Silm Survivor, I am looking forward to that as well-- Arcticstorm, Founder of STFF (Save the Feanor Foundation)

HA! Good luck! I have no preference of whether or no he stays in that Survivor, but it appears as though others want him gone already.

-- Folwren

[mormegil]

SpM and mormegil...I hope all hard words and feelings are forgiven. I guess I attacked SpM the most.

By the by, Morm - what exactly had you against Gimli?

-- Folwren

No hard feeling whatsover even though I was more or less called a chauvinistic pig I realize that this is mirth and all is in good fun :D

Folwren actually Gimli is one of my favorite book characters I just thought it would be great to have Hama or some other underdog win. Also I truly love Faramir but he doesn't make good reality TV. That being said there are those who might make decent TV but I dislike enough as to do all in my power to remove them ie Feanor.

[The Saucepan Man]

I don't know what to say. It's not...terrible that Merry won...but I would have liked to see Gimli take it home.In this sort of a game, one has to accpet that one's highest expectations will not necessarily be met.

My order of preference, at the outset, was:

1. Ugluk
2. Bilbo
3. Pippin
4. Merry
5. Boromir
6. Eowyn

Why Ugluk? Well, I still think that, as Orcs go, he is an exceptional example of his race and, as I said, I always tend to root for the underdog.

Bilbo was an early casualty and I had little hope that Ugluk would make it through. So, overall, I am fine with the outcome.

SpM and mormegil...I hope all hard words and feelings are forgiven. I guess I attacked SpM the most.Of course. For my part, all that was said and done was in jest. :)

[Lalaith]

Attacking people is fun.
So is kissing and making up afterwards. :)

[arcticstorm]

At th outset of the game my preferences were either Hama, Merry, a dwarf, or a blue wizard. and three of those six made it into the finals, so I was altogether pleased with the outcome.

[mormegil]

I wanted Sam to win obviously but an orc or Glorfindel would have been great also. So I was not exactly pleased with the outcome. Of course I thought Hama would have been fun. Somebody who you wouldn't think the winner would be and all that. Anyway I think I'll get my come-uppance in Silm.

[Boromir88]

Boromir...are you quite certain that that vote was quite unbias? You could've flipped a coin. And ye know, if it had been based on arguments, I might have said more.~Folwren
As unbiased as it could be. I did explain prior (twice actually) that if we had there was a tie, I would make my decision based on the arguments that were made. Anguirel did a great job at this, but I pointed specifically to why I chose Merry.