Survivor : All Star

[Boromir88]

Menel, I agree with you about too many dwarves. But I think you have the wrong one...it should be Durin to go. I mean think about what a great and fun-filled tribe that would be with Gloin and Smaug as the last two participants. That's bound to be filled with strife, animosity, and bickering...which means more money. :) I mean one of this is bound to kill the other.

++Durin

[mormegil]

++Goldberry

Her singing has begun to rack my nerves and it needs to be put to an end.

[Diamond18]

+ + Goldberry

Like I said yesterday, she was kidnapped and forced into servitude and she enjoyed it. We don't need a bad example like that around here.

[The 1,000 Reader]

(P.S. I predict that all the bad guys will be voted off, then any important good guys, and finally we'll have only minor characters, possibly one stronger but still minor character, and an Aniur.)

While a little bit off, I'm pretty much right. Anyway, the psychic says
++Celebrian. We don't really see her do anything except get captured and tortured while wandering the wilderness alone.

[littlemanpoet]

Seriously, there are too many Dwarves.On the contrary, too many 'survivors' from The Hobbit. I want to even things out a bit.

++ Glôin

[Estelyn Telcontar]

There's someone who wants to leave Middle-earth (island) of her own accord, so I think we should let her go:

++Celebrian

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil
Seriously, there are too many Dwarves.

lmp
On the contrary, too many 'survivors' from The Hobbit. I want to even things out a bit

They are the same thing! Two of the three Hobbit-survivors are dwarves...

Di and Morm! I'd love to join your Golberry campaign, but let's do it tomorrow. We should get rid of some dwarves first. :rolleyes:

[Macalaure]

I see a Celebrían campaign at last. Well, maybe tomorrow.

Let's throw a third Dwarf into the mix

++Gimli

[Thinlómien]

Do you want to get rid of dwarves?
Do you want to get rid of boring characters?
Do you want to get rid of characters from the Hobbit?

If you answered "yes" to even one of those questions, follow my (and Boro's) example and vote:

++Durin

[Bêthberry]

The last thing we need is someone who arouses and enflames and sparks terrible fan fiction, to say nothing of egregious verb pleonastic triplets. ;)

+ + Celebrian

[The Saucepan Man]

Why on earth Elrond ended up marrying someone with the name Kelly-Brian, I shall never know.

Im with Esty and Bb on this one.

+ + CELEBRIAN

[Diamond18]

Actually Bb you make a good point. Someone who begs to be badly fanfic'ed is dangerous to keep around.

Also, too many dwarves? Well, one elf is one elf too many.

- - Goldberry (I'll get you yet, my pretty, and your little dog, too!)

+ + Celebrian

[Macalaure]

Though I disagree with Di's last statement, I will gladly join the Celebrían waggon as nobody seems to be willing to join my Gimli one. How in heaven did Celebrían get to be the last elf on Survivor All Star?

--Gimli

++Celebrían

[Kuruharan]

Has anybody ever noticed how Elrond and Celebrian are never in the same place at the same time?

Poor Elrond! He somehow never noticed that all his children bore a strong resembelance to Haldir.

Celebrian really needs the chance to go and patch things up.

++ Celebrian

[Firefoot]

++Goldberry

...

This is what, the fourth time I've voted for her?

[Nogrod]

This is hopeless... :D

++ Durin

... for principle of ousting even one of the all too numerous dwarves. (Lommy had better arguments to make Durin number one instead of Gloin)

[Meneltarmacil]

I'd rather save the last Elf here and get rid of one of the all-too-many Dwarves, so...

--Gloin

++Durin

[Nogrod]

(Lommy had better arguments to make Durin number one instead of Gloin)Sorry. I just realised that her arguments were produced in the RL and not here... :( We'll come back to them if it is needed. Hopefully not. (I would say that some things said of Ingwë do attach to Durin as well - a character who has to be because of the story-history but has no real character of his own etc.)

[Gil-Galad]

--Elbereth


++Celebrian

i just had to...

[Glirdan]

++Durin

Save the Elf!!

[Nogrod]

i just had to...No you didn't! :D Who or what forced you in this hour? Is the conspiracy already threathening people in their RL? :p

EDIT: Thanks Glirdy for trying to even the tally... although it seems to be 8-5 still.

[Firefoot]

--Goldberry
++Durin

What does Durin really do, anyway? For one of the best known Dwarves, we really don't know much about him and what he did.

[Celuien]

++ DURIN

How important can he be if Durin's Day isn't even a national holiday in Eriador?

[mormegil]

--Goldberry

++Celebrian

Dwarves are far too cute and cuddly to let go this soon.

[littlemanpoet]

Ah heck. I like Elves better than Dwarves as an oft broken rule. So....

-- Gloin

++ Durin

Seeing as there's a bit of a bandwagon and it's a The Hobbit Dwarf into the bargain. I'll get you my ugly, and your little axe too! :p

[Boromir88]

lmp :)

I want Gloin gone as well, but from a financial and entertainment perspective, Durin is the better candidate to go...he just creates no drama nor action, nor a reason for viewers to watch.

Where Gloin and Smaug being the last two of their group will create for a much needed drama as the series winds down and a reason for people to continue watching.

[Macalaure]

--Celebrían

++Durin

Let's call it a sudden and unpredictable change of mind.

[Nogrod]

9 - 9 on overtime?

Couldn't get more tense? :p

[wilwarin538]

Day 20 is now over!

Durin - 9
Celebrian - 7

Durin has been cast off the island, that's it that's all. Sorry for the lack of an exciting exidus for Durin.

Remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Gimli
Hama

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Elbereth

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
Gloin

From the Second Age Survivor
Celebrian
Thorondor

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry

***************************************

Sorry it's so late, I was working.

You may now start voting!

[Macalaure]

Two dwarves and two dragons left. I'd say we go for the second dragon next and the second dwarf thereafter.

++Smaug

Though I will happily join a Chrysophylax waggon (or anything else that looks fun, to be honest) if this won't get working.


PS: Did I just screw up a double eviction? Nogrod had 9-9, Wilwa 9-7 and I had 9-8. I demand a recount! ;)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

ok then join. . .

++Chrysophylax Dives

[Gil-Galad]

++Elbereth

[Firefoot]

++Goldberry!

Come on, people, do you all want her to win or something? She's happy being kidnapped, she's everything in a female character that a lot of you are professing to hate. You got rid of Tar-Miriel, you want to get rid of Celebrian (at least there actually is some scope for fanfiction here - Goldberry's so dull that there really isn't any), but Goldberry hardly gets any attention at all. But you're all yammering about dragons now - aren't dragons much more interesting than Goldberry? Don't they do more? For all of you going on about show ratings, I would think that two fighting dragons would do more than quiet little Goldberry.

[Meneltarmacil]

++Gloin

Between him and Gimli, he's more useless. And the dragons are a lot more impressive.

[littlemanpoet]

++ Celebrian

So there. A whole lot of (1) votes. Lessee which one takes off today.....

[The 1,000 Reader]

++Celebrain.

Like I said, her only claim to fame was getting captured while foolishly wandering the wilderness of Middle-Earth.

[Diamond18]

+ + Goldberry

How many times do we have to say it? Goldberry is a bad example to all young girls and should be the most reviled character here. Tolkien didn't write enough about Celebrian to make her look as bad as Goldberry. Celebrian may need to go and I'll vote for her should her bandwagon look more likely to succeed, but it's more fair to get this simpering example of domestic brainlessness out of the way first.

Also, with all the complaining about interesting characters and bad guys going first, why leave Goldberry around? She's everything interesting is not. Plus, she's from the MW for all you haters out there. She's the perfect candidate.

[mormegil]

Wilwa, shouldn't Celebrian be off as the vote was tied and Celebrian was the first to reach it?

++Goldberry

Blueberry...maybe but not a gold one.

[Boromir88]

morm, the vote was 9-8 -Durin receiving the most - (if I haven't recounted wrong 3 times). It was 9-8 with Celebrian having the most, but Mac retracted his vote for Celebrian and voted for Durin, which flips the score. (Good job Mac :) )

[Gurthang]

Yes, I see you all have kept with my wishes and my two dragon friends are still sitting where I left them. Now, on to business.

++Celebrian

The only reason I'm picking her over Goldberry is that I know less about the Second Age than I do about Tolkien's Minor Works. I'm so logical, it's scary. :D

[Diamond18]

Due to Mac, Morm, and Boro's comments I checked over the thread.

Edit: Ignore what was posted here before. I recounted again and Morm actually was right.

Unless I'm really missing something, the score should be:

Celebrian: 8
Durin: 8

This is how it went (leader bolded)

Menel > Gloin (Gloin 1)
Gil > Elbereth (Gloin 1, Elbereth 1)
Boro > Durin (Gloin 1, Elbereth 1, Durin 1)
Morm > Goldberry (Gloin 1, Elbereth 1, Durin 1, Goldberry 1)
Diamond > Goldberry (Gloin 1, Elbereth 1, Durin 1, Goldberry 2)
Reader > Celebrian (Gloin 1, Elbereth 1, Durin 1, Goldberry 2, Celebrian 1)
LMP > Gloin (Gloin 2, Elbereth 1, Durin 1, Goldberry 2, Celebrian 1)
Esty > Celebrian (Gloin 2, Elbereth 1, Durin 1, Goldberry 2, Celebrian 2)
Mac > Gimli (Gloin 2, Elbereth 1, Durin 1, Goldberry 2, Celebrian 2, Gimli 1)
Bethberry > Celebrian (Gloin 2, Elbereth 1, Durin 1, Goldberry 2, Celebrian 3, Gimli 1)
SPM > Celebrian (Gloin 2, Elbereth 1, Durin 1, Goldberry 2, Celebrian 4, Gimli 1)
Diamond < Goldberry > Celebrian (Gloin 2, Elbereth 1, Durin 1, Goldberry 1, Celebrian 5, Gimli 1)
Mac < Gimli > Celebrian (Gloin 2, Elbereth 1, Durin 1, Goldberry 1, Celebrian 6)
Kuru > Celebrian (Gloin 2, Elbereth 1, Durin 1, Goldberry 1, Celebrian 7)
Firefoot > Goldberry (Gloin 2, Elbereth 1, Durin 1, Goldberry 2, Celebrian 7)
Nogrod > Durin (Gloin 2, Elbereth 1, Durin 2, Goldberry 2, Celebrian 7)
Menel < Gloin > Durin (Gloin 1, Elbereth 1, Durin 3, Goldberry 2, Celebrian 7)
Gil < Elbereth > Celebrian (Gloin 1, Durin 3, Goldberry 2, Celebrian 8)
Glirdan > Durin (Gloin 1, Durin 4, Goldberry 2, Celebrian 8)
Firefoot < Goldberry > Durin (Gloin 1, Durin 5, Goldberry 1, Celebrian 8)
Celuien > Durin (Gloin 1, Durin 6, Goldberry 1, Celebrian 8)
Morm < Goldberry > Celebrian (Gloin 1, Durin 6, Celebrian 9)
LMP < Gloin > Durin (Durin 7, Celebrian 9)
Mac < Celebrian > Durin (Durin 8, Celebrian 8)

Edit: changed to:

So either Celebrian should have gone instead of Durin or they both should have gone.

[Diamond18]

I would suggest that everyone voting for Celebrian consider voting Goldberry instead, as I think Celebrian is techincally already gone. Just in case Wilwa decides to evict her retroactively and your votes end up counting for nothing.

[The Saucepan Man]

No, I fear that the tally was correct, Diamond. You missed Thin's vote for Durin. :(

But let justice be done today!

+ + CELEBRIAN

[Kuruharan]

But let justice be done today!

Arrr-men!

++ Celebrian

I actually can't see the use in either remaining character in the Second Age.

[Boromir88]

The three way beauty contest between Elbereth, Goldberry, and Celebrian has to come to an end soon. Quite honestly Celebrian is the least beautiful of the three and as the mother of Arwen, just needs to go... :rolleyes:

++Celebrian

[mormegil]

Is there enough support for Goldberry tomorrow? If so I will change my vote to Celebrian today to help ensure victory but we need to go for Goldberry tomorrow.

[Volo]

I think everybody will want to get rid of Goldberry, or most at least. I'll wote for her...

[Boromir88]

I wouldn't mind losing Goldberry, Elbereth is far more eye-popping and attracting. So the role of the hot gal that just gets the tough guys to do everything for her is already filled.

[mormegil]

--Goldberry

++Celebrian

Such an awful name and she married Elrond!

[JennyHallu]

++Goldberry

Really, in the long run, she wed Tom and had no effect on any life other than his. True, the hobbits saw her and thought her pretty, but it didn't affect their experience in his home or the events of their quest.

And I happen to really like Celebrian.

[Lalaith]

The three way beauty contest between Elbereth, Goldberry, and Celebrian has to come to an end soon.

That's right. Because the only purpose of females on this island is decorative. :rolleyes:

[The Only Real Estel]

The three way beauty contest between Elbereth, Goldberry, and Celebrian has to come to an end soon. Quite honestly Celebrian is the least beautiful of the three and as the mother of Arwen, just needs to go... :rolleyes:

I cannot argue with this!

Is there enough support for Goldberry tomorrow? If so I will change my vote to Celebrian today to help ensure victory but we need to go for Goldberry tomorrow.

Sure, I'll vote for Goldberry tomorrow.

++ Celebrian

What can I say? I'm not a sucker for a pretty face I'm a sucker for the most pretty face... ;)

[Bêthberry]

Really, in the long run, she wed Tom and had no effect on any life other than his. True, the hobbits saw her and thought her pretty, but it didn't affect their experience in his home or the events of their quest.

And I happen to really like Celebrian.


Umm, Goldberry's washing day allowed the hobbits stay a day longer with Tom. Respite has a value of its own--solace--even if it doesn't create action drama and heart thumping excitement. ;)

Not that I'm commenting on today's vote. I'm still mulling over things. Are we going to end up with the Eagle being champion? *shakes head*

[mormegil]

Not that I'm commenting on today's vote. I'm still mulling over things. Are we going to end up with the Eagle being champion? *shakes head*

There may be some fans out there though probably not enough to have him win. I say he is next in my sights after Goldberry.

[Macalaure]

Though I wanted her out in the past, the size of the current Celebrian-waggon is downright frightening. I feel the need to add a true alternative, and I don't see Goldberry as one.

--Smaug

++Chrysophylax

What has happened to the wave that swept the minor works characters away? Get the dragon gone I say!

[The Only Real Estel]

Though I wanted her out in the past, the size of the current Celebrian-waggon is downright frightening. I feel the need to add a true alternative, and I don't see Goldberry as one.

What has happened to the wave that swept the minor works characters away...

Hmm..you have a minor works character in Goldberry who had three votes against her compared to Chrys' one. I guess I'm not sure what you mean by "true alternative," but if you really want to save Celebrian than Goldberry probably would've been your best bet.

Not that it really matters since Chrys will probably be the next or one of the next to go after Goldberry...

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I repeat my vote from yesterday:

++Celebrian

[Macalaure]

Hmm..you have a minor works character in Goldberry who had three votes against her compared to Chrys' one. I guess I'm not sure what you mean by "true alternative," but if you really want to save Celebrian than Goldberry probably would've been your best bet.
I don't regard Goldberry as a real alternative to Celebrian because the two are too similar to each other. Plus, Goldberry isn't a proper minor works character.
And I don't even want to save Celebrian - just thought a 15-or-so to 3 final result would be boring.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

+ + Goldberry

For not hiring a hitman to take out
TB after years (centuries?) of incessant
rhyming. (And she'd be sure to get off a
trial by either temporary insanity or
justified homicide). :D

[Volo]

Why to wote her if I can wote her today?

++Goldberry

[wilwarin538]

I recounted the votes from yesterday and I received the same numbers, so nothing is going to change. Besides I don't think it makes much of a diference since Celebrian is gone today anyway.

Chrysophylax Dives - 2
Elbereth - 1
Goldberry - 5
Gloin - 1
Celebrian - 9

The villagers have decided and Celebrian is the one to be lynched today!

The angry viallgers grabbed the she-elf and roughly dragged her towards the gallows. They tied the rope around her neck and pulled the lever. Suddenly confetti sprang up from all around.

"Oops, wrong lever." the villager said, then he pulled the right one.

Celebrian's neck snapped, and she didn't transform. They had lynched an ord.

I think I miss modding Werewolf to much. :rolleyes:

Remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Gimli
Hama

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Elbereth

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
Gloin

From the Second Age Survivor
Thorondor

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry

***************************************

You may now start voting.

NOTE:
Since the end is approaching, I've been thinking how I want the final 3 to work (or is it final 2?). I thought that instead of having you vote for who you want to have win in the thread, you could PM the name of who you want to win. Then I could post the results. This would give more surprise, and suspense, no one would know who the winner is. :eek: If you all think this is a terrible idea, and you want to do it the traditional way, just say so and it will be done. :D

[Glirdan]

Ooooo! I like!! I vote

++PM!!

(You think you miss Werewolf!? Try having to get a game started up again!! :eek: )

And my vote to cast out will be,

++Gloin

He's still in and he's still useless!!

[The Only Real Estel]

Sounds like a cool idea - I'll go with what the majority wants.

In the meantime I'm nothing if I don't keep my promises*:

++ Goldberry




*not that that usually stops me ;) :D

[Volo]

Sounds fine, at least better than
++Goldberry
A promise is a promise, even if it's a promise to morm.

[mormegil]

++Goldberry

Sounds too much like goldberg

[Firefoot]

++Goldberry!!

It seems that justice shall finally be done today! :D

[Boromir88]

++Goldberry

Blueberries are much more delicious.

[Macalaure]

What's the first which comes to mind when you read '5-1'?

Right...

boooring!

++Gloin

Those dwarves need to go anyway.

[Bêthberry]

yeah, let's get a little action going here.

++ GLOIN

[Boromir88]

P.S. I said this:
++Goldberry

Blueberries are much more delicious.

But what I mean to say was that Bethberries are the best. :D

[Bêthberry]

P.S. I said this:


But what I mean to say was that Bethberries are the best. :D

Flattery will not get me to do the wash day if you bounce Goldberry, Boro. ;)

[shieldmaiden4xsword]

++Gloin

those pesky dwarves need to go.

Please don't get rid of Goldberry. :) cuz if you do, you'll have ME to deal with. :mad:

[Firefoot]

At least Gloin actually does some interesting things. Goldberry keeps house. :rolleyes:

[Boromir88]

Flattery will not get me to do the wash day if you bounce Goldberry, Boro. ;)

Please don't get rid of Goldberry. :) cuz if you do, you'll have ME to deal with. :mad:


Well, if that's the case...

--Goldberry

++Gloin

[wilwarin538]

Votes so far:

Gloin - 5
Goldberry - 4


Posted by me earlier
NOTE:
Since the end is approaching, I've been thinking how I want the final 3 to work (or is it final 2?). I thought that instead of having you vote for who you want to have win in the thread, you could PM the name of who you want to win. Then I could post the results. This would give more surprise, and suspense, no one would know who the winner is. If you all think this is a terrible idea, and you want to do it the traditional way, just say so and it will be done.

Everyone else ok with this?

[shieldmaiden4xsword]

Thank you very much, Boromir!!! :D

Yes, I am fine with it. :)

[Kuruharan]

Please don't get rid of Goldberry. cuz if you do, you'll have ME to deal with.

Sounds like a good reason to do anything...

Besides, I suppose Firefoot has twisted in the wind long enough.

++ Goldberry

[The Saucepan Man]

I'm gonna wash that girl right outta my hair. :D

+ + GOLDBERRY

I mean, she got caught by a dodgy bloke with a blue shirt, yellow boots and a feather in his hat and spent the rest of her time doing his washing and listening to his excruciating verse. It doesn't speak well of her, I'm afraid.

Everyone else ok with this?Fine by me. :)

[Celuien]

++ Goldberry

Anyone who enjoys Tom Bombadil's singing, or at least doesn't try to stop it, has to go. :D

[Meneltarmacil]

++Gloin

He's useless! Useless I say! So he helped a little on the Quest, but so did most of the other random Dwarves. And he fathered Gimli, but that doesn't mean much either as we don't generally keep people like Arathorn or the Gaffer around much.

[littlemanpoet]

Gloin

Never minded Goldberry much. Nice, dutiful wife who knows her place and all..... :p

[The Only Real Estel]

Psst, nobody tell lmp his vote is missing the "++s" so his vote won't count! ;) :p

[The 1,000 Reader]

++Gloin.

As far as we know, Goldberry has some spiritual thing going on, and being the possible daughter of Ulmo, she may influence the waters of Middle-Earth. Also, she liked Tom, and wasn't beaten over the head with a club and dragged off. Therefore, we have no idea what powers she might have. Gloin on the other hand, didn't really do much that to stand out.

[Diamond18]

+ + Goldberry

No woman in her right mind would actually want to be married to Tom.

No, I fear that the tally was correct, Diamond. You missed Thin's vote for Durin.

Wha....? *digs handwritten vote tally out of garbage* Frick... I wrote her vote down there but somehow it didn't make it to the typed version. See, this is why I never do those fancy schmany vote tallies for WW games. ;)

[Nogrod]

Anyone who enjoys Tom Bombadil's singing, or at least doesn't try to stop it, has to go. :D

= lmp
Nice, dutiful wife who knows her place and all.....

Reason enough.

++ Goldberry

[Lalaith]

the rest of her time doing his washing and listening to his excruciating verse
It always baffled me too. An old geezer like Tom should have a stout, twinkly wife, with greying hair, sleeves rolled up and flour on her elbows. Not some ethereal blonde flitting around. It's undignfied for all concerned, like Donald Trump or Rod Stewart, ageing bores with trophy wives...bleugh. Off with her.

++GOLDBERRY

[Celuien]

Also, she liked Tom, and wasn't beaten over the head with a club and dragged off.
But one day Tom, he went and caught the River-
daughter,
in green gown, flowing hair, sitting in the rushes,
singing old water-songs to birds upon the bushes.

He caught her, held her fast! Water-rats went scuttering
reeds hissed, herons cried, and her heart was fluttering.
Said Tom Bombadil: 'Here's my pretty maiden!
You shall come home with me! The table is all laden:
yellow cream, honeycomb, white bread and butter;
roses at the window-sill and peeping round the shutter.
You shall come under Hill! Never mind your mother
in her deep weedy pool: there you'll find no lover!'
True, no beating with a club, but that looks like being dragged off to me...

And lmp: :p

[Lalaith]

Good heavens, Celuien, that is dreadful. He's no better than Ar-Pharazon himself.

Poor Goldberry, she needs to get off the island as soon as possible and into the hands of a good psychiatrist, to sort out her Stockholm Syndrome.

[Thinlómien]

It always baffled me too. An old geezer like Tom should have a stout, twinkly wife, with greying hair, sleeves rolled up and flour on her elbows. Not some ethereal blonde flitting around. It's undignfied for all concerned, like Donald Trump or Rod Stewart, ageing bores with trophy wives...bleugh. Off with her.
You've convinced me.

++Goldberry

[wilwarin538]

Votes so far:

Gloin - 7
Goldberry - 11

lmp, your vote doesn't count. :p

[Tuor in Gondolin]

+ + Gloin

For no particular reason.

[Macalaure]

For no particular reason.
That's the point! There's no reason to kick him out just like there's no reason to keep him in.
That's why we have to kick him out!

um... :rolleyes:
...well

[The Only Real Estel]

Tuor:

If you vote Goldberry this round I could look your way next round...

Just an offer. :cool:

[Estelyn Telcontar]

++Gloin

Just because...

[wilwarin538]

The votes ta the end of the day are:

Gloin - 9
Goldberry - 11

Goldberry is the character who has been voted out today!

After being voted for many times Goldberry expected this coming. So before the votes were tallied Goldberry ran away, before anything terrible could befall her. Though, she was never heard from again so something terrible probably befell her anyway.

Thus ends day 22!

Remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Gimli
Hama

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Elbereth

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
Gloin

From the Second Age Survivor
Thorondor

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives

***************************************

You may now start voting!

[Gil-Galad]

meh... might as well end the silmarillion's reign

++Elbereth

[Macalaure]

I don't think so.

Why don't we keep one out of each group for the final five?

I'm fine with the eviction of any out of Gimli, Hama, Smaug or Gloin.

[JennyHallu]

++Hama

If he hadn't been the doorguard, someone else would have. Why should he be treated specially by allowing his survival?

[Gil-Galad]

maybe maca...

and jenny, i'm insulted how you disrepect hama like that


alas, one dragon is far enough

++Smaug

[shieldmaiden4xsword]

Is it just me or did Gil vote twice?

As for me.....

++Smaug

i never liked dragons like Smaug for some reason. :p

[Gil-Galad]

Is it just me or did Gil vote twice?

As for me.....

++Smaug

i never liked dragons like Smaug for some reason. :p

way to ruin it Shieldmaiden...

--Elbereth

[The Only Real Estel]

Macalaure speaks some sense I think. Why not keep one person from each tribe until the end? That leaves me with a decision between Gloin & Smaug, both of which have already have at least one (more than that in Gloin’s case at least) run on their person already.

I’ll have to think this one over...

[Nogrod]

Time to get serious? :D

Really: two dwarves around still! And two dragons!

++ Chrysophylax

I might be persuaded with campaigns over Gloin and Gimli too... Now in haste, so nothing better this time.

[Meneltarmacil]

++Gloin

Get him out of here already! The random Dwarves have to go! One dwarf is enough! Smaug's better than Chrysophylax! I think I'm going to go insane if Gloin stays around any longer...wait, it's too late for that.

*Meneltarmacil gets dragged off by the men in white coats*

[Diamond18]

+ + Hama

I've never liked hammy extras.

[Celuien]

I've never liked hammy extras.
A most convincing argument.

++ Hama

[JennyHallu]

I don't disrespect Hama, I simply feel he would be more at home among less exalted company. The discerning individual might divine my intense respect for his modesty. But you tried to vote off a Valar...what presumption is this? And yes, Silly, he did vote twice.

EDIT: Whoops. I should pay attention to what is the current page. But my defense stands.

[Gil-Galad]

i'm just saying that hama deserves more then what we give him.


oh and i only tried to vote for Elbereth mainly to elimiante silmarillion, but i've decided to go with Maca and have one of each

[The Only Real Estel]

Hmmm. Well, JenHallu, Diamond, & Cel, I'm just going to bring something up here.

Of the seven remaining contestants we have two dwarves, two dragons, one man, one woman, & one eagle. Now I certainly agree with you that Hama is nothing special (sure he was good as far as doorwardens go) but why don't we vote out a dwarf or a dragon? Something there's two of...just to keep things a little more even.

I don't know that I'm championing reducing all the races down to one for the final five but...

Just something to think about. I don't much care I guess.

[Celuien]

Of the seven remaining contestants we have two dwarves, two dragons, one man, one woman, & one eagle. Now I certainly agree with you that Hama is nothing special (sure he was good as far as doorwardens go) but why don't we vote out a dwarf or a dragon? Something there's two of...just to keep things a little more even.
Because I like non-humans. ;) :smokin:

[The Only Real Estel]

Because I like non-humans. ;) :smokin:

That or you don't like men. ;)

[Celuien]

That or you don't like men.
Untrue! I have witnesses. :p :D

Let's just say that I have my agenda in place for this game. And Hama the Hammy doesn't fit in to it.

[The Saucepan Man]

+ + HAMA

How much intelligence does it take to work out that, to a Wizard, his staff is his weapon? Yet Hama managed to get himself outwitted by a serial uncloaker. The guy's a numbskull.

And, since film-based evidence appears to have been acceptable in the past, I feel it my duty to draw attention to his humiliating screen death. Scoffed by one of those mutant Hyena-Lemming hybrids. Truly, excrutiatingly, toe-curlingly, teeth-clenchingly embarassing.

Pah! He didn't deserve to make the final first time round. He certainly doesn't deserve to go any further in this competition.

[Bêthberry]

This vote thing is draggin' a bit.

+ +Chrysophylax Dives

His name violates Tolkien's number one rule about allegory. Reason enough!

His last name--Dives--is Latin for rich and to people in the Middle Ages--and we all know how much time Tolk spent there--Dives was the rich man in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. (Luke XVI 9 - 31). Apparently the House of Dives is still noted in Jerusalem. Unless it's been bombed recently of course.

So what has to go? This excrable academic scholarly parallel that ruins the story? Or the bad pun about a filthy rich dragon?

Will you not be persuaded by one of the Dead? ;) :D

[JennyHallu]

Actually I'm rather fond of puns, the worse the better. So UP WITH DIVES!

Down with dull old Hama. I'm not being racist...you're all the ones who voted off all the otehr humnas, not me.

[The 1,000 Reader]

This vote thing is draggin' a bit.

+ +Chrysophylax Dives

His name violates Tolkien's number one rule about allegory. Reason enough!

His last name--Dives--is Latin for rich and to people in the Middle Ages--and we all know how much time Tolk spent there--Dives was the rich man in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. (Luke XVI 9 - 31). Apparently the House of Dives is still noted in Jerusalem. Unless it's been bombed recently of course.

So what has to go? This excrable academic scholarly parallel that ruins the story? Or the bad pun about a filthy rich dragon?

Will you not be persuaded by one of the Dead? ;) :D


++Chrysophylax Dives. For the above, and for the following reasoning.

Dives means rich man and was key in the Middle Ages. Rich people in the Middle Ages were often slothful, betraying and unsupportive of the common man. Therefore,Chrysophylax is a snooty, slothful jerk. Being a jerk is bad enough, but he also fits into the Seven Deadly Sins. Therefore, send him away.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I'm not being racist...

Why do people feel the need to say this? If you are not being racist, then there is no reason to say so. Is there ? (not saying that you are racist Jenny, but this is something I have been thinking about in RL)

anyways to the voting. . .

++Chrysophylax Dives

[Lalaith]

Well I've already made a few attempts to get this man off the island. Yes, he's a decent enough sort, but really, does he deserve to be in this stellar company? Does he deserve to go all the way? I don't think so.

++HAMA

(And don't forget the beads...)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

++ Hama

Let's send him to a more merciful end than he received in the movie...

[JennyHallu]

Rune, I stressed the objectivity of my choice because it was suggested we keep Hama for racial reasons; i.e. because we had two dragons, two dwarves, but Hama was the only Man.

[wilwarin538]

Votes so far:

Hama - 6
Smaug - 2
Chrysophylax Dives - 4
Gloin - 1

[mormegil]

Anybody interested in a campaign against Thorondor? I promised to begin that today but there seems little support and I fear that he will win this contest if we do nothing about him now.

Currently though I think it is time to see a dragon go that would be so naive as to listen to a witless giant.

++Chrysophylax Dives

[Bêthberry]

A character whose name is a complete sentence obviously has a name too big for him, even if he is a dragon. Don't decline this chance to verbally correct the dragon who can't flight straight. Say, "Chrysophylax walks."

Morm, I'm thinking Thorondor has been too quiet too.

[Meneltarmacil]

All right, might as well get rid of one of the dragons.

--Gloin

++Chrysophylax Dives

[Boromir88]

How much intelligence does it take to work out that, to a Wizard, his staff is his weapon? Yet Hama managed to get himself outwitted by a serial uncloaker. The guy's a numbskull.~SpM
Out-smarted? I ask you to read the text again Mr. Pan Man. Hama trusted his own judgement because he wasn't a robot guard. For more information, I ask you to read this post about Hama. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=485819&postcount=488) Unbeknownst to Hama, he was the savior of Middle-earth, and he's always so humble.

If not that, just having the guts to stand up to the ruthless dictator Aragorn and dealing with an old crabby man all day should deserve some decency and not spreading about blasphemous dogma. :D

I really have no clue why Thorondor is here. It really makes no sense, let's just get rid of all the juicy spicy characters that creat controversy, and have the most boring uninterested final stretch ever by keeping in Thorondor.

++Thorondor

[mormegil]

--Chrysophylax Dives

++Thorondor

I would much rather have a dragon than an Eagle. Really what did this eagle do? He really has no personality whatsoever. He scratched a couple people's faces but how long can that carry him forward in life? Boy that sure is a resume builder there...I can only picture it, under the experience column


Flying for many years
Scratched a couple 'bad guys' faces
'Protected' the protected city which ended up falling anyway due to my inability to help
Lead a merry troupe of eagles who did little to shape the events of Middle-earth but I'm an eagle so hire me.

[shieldmaiden4xsword]

GOODNESS!!!!! Is that GLOIN still here??? Get rid of that pesky dwarf, willya?

++Gloin

[mormegil]

GOODNESS!!!!! Is that GLOIN still here??? Get rid of that pesky dwarf, willya?

++Gloin

I believe you have already voted today as well.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I will be happy to get rid of Gloin, but first we need to get rid of

Chrysophylax Dives

[Kuruharan]

In all seriousness (for a change) this is about as vacuous a character as could win this game and I don't particularly want that to happen.

++ Thorondor

[The Only Real Estel]

Rune: A vote for Thorondor this round would get you my vote for Gloin next...

Thorondor is quite possibly the most boring semifinalists (if you could call it that) yet. Not to mention his sad resume that morm brought up. :D

++ Thorondor

[Glirdan]

++Thorondor

He's getting annoying....and might as well finish off the Sil characters. :rolleyes:

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

--Chrysophylax Dives

++Thorondor

[Macalaure]

I wouldn't mind putting an end to Thorondor, however, I want to keep the last 'Second Age'r for a while.

Therefore:

++Hama

[mormegil]

Bethberry we need your support to help secure victory.

[The Only Real Estel]

Hmm, Macalaure: I'll throw my vote Hama's way two days from now (already commited to Gloin tomorrow) in exchange for a Thorondor vote...if you're interested.

[shieldmaiden4xsword]

whoops sorry... I thought it was over :rolleyes: in any case.....

--Smaug

++Gloin

[Bêthberry]

Bethberry we need your support to help secure victory.


What? And waste all my best lines about Chrys?

Oh, okay. It's not like they were really about Survivor anyway. ;)

+ + Hama

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

What? And waste all my best lines about Chrys?

Oh, okay. It's not like they were really about Survivor anyway. ;)

+ + Hama

hmm sarcasm. . . .

[mormegil]

What? And waste all my best lines about Chrys?

Oh, okay. It's not like they were really about Survivor anyway. ;)

+ + Hama

Not Hama dear Bêthberry. I meant Thorondor.

[mormegil]

Hama is great and should advance. He's a definite underdog and you want to cut him down. He's that little kid that should have won but went against the odds and overcame them. He should be allowed to win. Thorondor on the other hand is a Lord and King, or so I am told, and he did nothing to earn it and did little with it. Give Hama a break.

[Bêthberry]

Not Hama dear Bêthberry. I meant Thorondor.

Well why didn't you say so the first time, luv? I thought we were saving Thorondor for tomorrow.

[Volo]

Hama is more interesting than ++Thorondor...

[wilwarin538]

Day 23 is now over!

Thorondor - 7
Hama - 8
Smaug - 1
Chrysophylax Dives - 4
Gloin - 1

Hama will be the one to leave the island today!

Hama left the tribal council very nervously today, when suddenly a giant hand picked him up, and slapped him on a large slice of bread, after adding some mayonaise and cheese, the giant hand had created a Hama Sandwich, which he fed to his pet Hyena-Lemming-I'm-supposed-to-be-a-Warg-thingy.

Thus ends Day 23!

Remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Gimli

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Elbereth

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
Gloin

From the Second Age Survivor
Thorondor

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives

***************************************

You may now start voting!

[mormegil]

You monsters!!!

How could you evict Hama? He's the greatest thing that was left on this pitiful island. You just can't see the joy in voting for an underdog can you? Hama was wronged in the first survivor and that injustice should have been rectified during 'All Star' instead the injustice was only furtherd...for shame!

[The Only Real Estel]

Poor Hama.

Oh well, I don't care that much - certainly not as much as morm did. :p

I suppose I should probably honor my commitments. :rolleyes:

++ Gloin

I refuse to echo all the reasons that have been given for him over the course of this Survivor...but most all of them are true & valid. Not to mention somehow we're still stuck with two dwarves...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I enjoy supporting an underdog, but not as a rule. . . If we did so they wouldn't be underdogs now would they.

++Gloin

[mormegil]

++Thorondor

Foes of Hama shall be decimated!

[The Only Real Estel]

Either Bethberry made an innocent slip (& couldn't correct it...?), or she's chuckling evily at morm right about now.

My guess is that she's chuckling evily at morm right about now... :D

[Kuruharan]

I'm inclined to stick with my vote of yesterday. Thorondor is really the least compelling character remaining in terms of fan interest. If he gets into the final he'll make it a two horse race by default, which would make it less interesting.

++ Thorondor

[Estelyn Telcontar]

The Eagles are never around until the very end - I say we break with that bad habit of theirs and boot

++ Thorondor

[Bêthberry]

++Thorondor

Foes of Hama shall be decimated!

Well, if you had been precise, I would have understood where your allegiance lay yesterday and Hama would still be here. Chrys could have been gone and Thorondor would be earning his wings today. But nooo, for some unaccountable reason .... *shakes head in confusion*



hmm sarcasm. . . .


Aw, no, not at all. Just pokin' a lil fun at discussion elsewhere. :D


Something tells me that Bethberry is chuckling evily at morm right about now...



What? Moi? :eek: ;)

[Meneltarmacil]

++Gloin

This is sure getting annoying. Get him out of here already!

[shieldmaiden4xsword]

those stupid dwarves are still around? Get him outta here!!!

++Gloin

[Gil-Galad]

Thanks alot people... now since Hama is gone i'm going to have to cry myself to sleep... :(

++Gloin

[Firefoot]

++Gloin

Well, there's two left from the Hobbit, two left of the Dwarves (and two dragons, actually - that ought to be rectified as well). I'd probably prefer Gimli being voted out, but if Gloin's the way the cookie crumbles, I shan't protest. And the Eagles are cool. Thorondor provides some contrast to our other winged contestants...

[Macalaure]

++Gloin

Seriously, I think that more or less all reasons for his eviction have been given already. Let's get rid of him at last.

[Nogrod]

Agreeing with Morm about the shame of yesterday and Firefoot with Gimli being the one I would like to vote out... Against the tide, anyway.

But following one tide, just to get rid of these hordes of dwarves:

++ Gloin

[Celuien]

++Gloin

Evening up the number of contestants from each Survivor game...

[Boromir88]

If Thorondor's not gone by today, I will lose my motivation and my reason for participating in All-stars

(no knock to Wilwarin who's done a fine job, just the lack of juicy characters is a reason for no more further motivation...unless someone is able to do a convincing job that explains why I should be excited about the remaining contestants).

++Thorondor

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I feel the same way, but for some reason I cannot stay away more than 2 days. . .

[Meneltarmacil]

Boromir, I'd say Smaug is a character worth getting excited about. He's not only big, dangerous, fiery, and powerful but also quite cunning and manipulative. One of the best of Tolkien's villains, if I do say so myself. Personally, I hope he wins.

[shieldmaiden4xsword]

I love Smaug...... :rolleyes: :p

See? See???!!!! I am sooo unpredictable. I wanted him to lose last round..... ;)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I knew you were going to say that ! ;)

[shieldmaiden4xsword]

LOL!!!!! I made myself crack up :D

Seriously, I like Smaug....now... he IS kinda cute, is he? ok, I'm just kidding. :rolleyes:


has anyone noticed The Only Real Estel has quoted me in his/her signature?

please don't get rid of Goldberry. cuz if you do you'll have me to deal with.

or something like that......we got rid of Goldberry anyway. :rolleyes:

[The Only Real Estel]

has anyone noticed The Only Real Estel has quoted me in his/her signature?

*ahem* His.


Boro88: Lets get one of these dwarves out of here first...I don't mind at all voting Thorondor next round - I'd be voting for him this one if I hadn't already commited myself otherwise...

[The Saucepan Man]

Nothing against Eagles per se. Gwaihir's one cool bird with a groovy name and a funky title. But Thorondor is just plain dull.

We got rid of Manwe yonks ago. I see no good reason to allow his flunky to stay.

+ + THORONDOR

[Diamond18]

+ + Thorondor

Most. Boring. Contestant. Ever.

The only cool thing about him is that he can fly, and the dragons do that in much cooler fashion, so he's unnecessary.

[Diamond18]

...unless someone is able to do a convincing job that explains why I should be excited about the remaining contestants).

Dragons are cool. They fly and they breath fire, plus they have pretty scales. If I could be anything, I'd be a dragon.

Your mileage of course may vary. :)

[wilwarin538]

Votes so far:

Gloin - 9
Thorondor - 6

no knock to Wilwarin who's done a fine job

Thank you Boro! :)

[littlemanpoet]

++ Gloin

[The 1,000 Reader]

++Thorondor.

He's a bird. Birds crap on homes and public buildings. Dwarves are far more polite.

[The Only Real Estel]

++Thorondor.

He's a bird. Birds crap on homes and public buildings. Dwarves are far more polite.

Really? I don't know...seems to me dwarves do just as much of that as birds. ;)

[Gurthang]

The Eagles are never around until the very end - I say we break with that bad habit of theirs and boot

++ Thorondor

Now let's just examine that statement for a moment. If the eagles are never around until the end, then, in this case, they are always kicked off before the end. So, rather than breaking that habit, we would actually be upholding it if we ousted Thorondor. Well, I say we seriously get rid of that stereotype and have an eagle that does stay around until the very end. ( :p )

Let's get rid of Gloin instead. :D

++Gloin

I'm hoping to save all of our winged friends until there is no one else left. (That means Elbereth and Gimli are next... hey, how'd Gimli make it this far anyway!)

[Thinlómien]

I'm hoping to save all of our winged friends until there is no one else left. (That means Elbereth and Gimli are next... hey, how'd Gimli make it this far anyway!)A very good idea! :D

++Gloin

[Glirdan]

YAY!!! Gloin is finally going home!! :D

++Gloin

Out with the useless!!

[wilwarin538]

Votes thus far:

Gloin - 13
Thorondor - 7

[The Saucepan Man]

I would freely admit that Gloin would not be a worthy winner of this competition.

But his continuous presence does have wonderful "irritation value" in some quarters. Reason enough, surely, to keep him for now ... ;) :D

[Tuor in Gondolin]

+ + Thorondor

Must save Gloin so his son can beat the
(blonde?brunette?) pretty boy at the
killing orcs game at Helm's Deep.

[Meneltarmacil]

But his continuous presence does have wonderful "irritation value" in some quarters. Reason enough, surely, to keep him for now ...
I can't possibly imagine what you're referring to. :rolleyes:

[The Saucepan Man]

I can't possibly imagine what you're referring to. :D

Alas, his nuisance value looks to have come to an end. But it was good while it lasted ... :p ;)

[Nogrod]

I agree with Boro that (too) many of the "juicy characters" have been ousted already because of fun and the remaining bunch isn't the most interesting one. :( (Di: I don't feel sorry for Gandalf, he's too much of a goody to be interesting in the end)

But how about looking at the entertainment value and something of any substance anyone can come up with these last ones?

Surely it won't be Gloin.
Surely it won't be Chrysophylax Dives.

Tolkien's Gimli is a reasonably interesting character (opposed to PJ's slapstick one)but Smaug probably has the most character of these remaining ones. Varda made the stars and they are a source of everlasting astonishment. Thorondor is a hero, but a bit thin one?

So let's just continue with the good idea of getting rid of Gloin first...

Sorry to be this open. But we're reaching the final stages here, so who cares?

[Volo]

Hmm... It seems Gloin is the one going away... Thorondor is, if not really interesting, more original than Gloin...

The only cool thing about him is that he can fly, and the dragons do that in much cooler fashion, so he's unnecessary.
I really don't agree. It's hard to believe that dragons could fly by looking at all those pictures/films/whatever... They might be of a nice colour, but I prefer birds over dragons. (The reason might be that I got a really good look on a sparrow today, even such a tiny and "boring" bird looks wonderfull) AND (not so Tolkien text warning) there are far more great songs about eagles than about dragons!

For the sake of not agreeing ++Chrysophylax Dives!

[wilwarin538]

The day is now over!

Gloin - 13
Thorondor - 8
Chrysophylax Dives - 1

Gloin stood quickly at the sound of his mothers voice calling him upstairs. He rushed to get there before she became to angry. He then had to wash dishes for an hour, so couldn't come up with a good way for him to leave the island.
:rolleyes:

Remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Gimli

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Elbereth

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug

From the Second Age Survivor
Thorondor

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives

***************************************

You may now start voting and I may now start cleaning!

[JennyHallu]

La de da...Oh the joys of favorites not threatened and votes not needed.

But just for the heck of it,

++Gimli, or the dragons might eat him.

EDIT: As it wasn't 2 yet, that vote was intended to count Yesterday and is thus being retracted:

--Gimli

[wilwarin538]

Jenny, I will consider that the first vote of the day. :p

[Gil-Galad]

well i did eeny meeny miny mo, and it came up...

















++Gimli

[Volo]

Dragons don't fly! (Eagles do)

++Chrysophylax Dives

[Nogrod]

Two dragons are too much in the end.

One will have to do after this day.

Smaug is more of a personality.

++Chrysophylax Dives

[Boromir88]

I try the pity card and it doesn't work...phooey. What unpitiable downers we have here. :rolleyes:

[Meneltarmacil]

Two dragons, and one is from the Minor Works as well.

++Chrysophylax Dives

[mormegil]

++Thorondor

He's ugly!

[Macalaure]

Exactly what Menel said.

++Chrysophylax Dives

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Finaly I can steal that identety !

++Chrysophylax Dives

[mormegil]

So sad that you would rather keep Smaug, a rather bland dragon character, too sterotypical, instead of keeping a rather fascinating dragon with an unusual personality.

[Nogrod]

So sad that you would rather keep Smaug, a rather bland dragon character, too sterotypical, instead of keeping a rather fascinating dragon with an unusual personality.C'mon Morm! Give us some details about Chrysophylax's personality and place in Tolkien all-star survivor -list! It's too easy to say that Smaug is stereotypical character if Smaug is one of the monuments who has created that stereotype! It's like you would say that the Fellowship of the LotR is too stereotypical within the fantasy-genre... :rolleyes:

[mormegil]

Okay

Instead of merely tending his horde he goes out on an adventure
He is clever and cunning but in a way that to me was different than most dragons
He's not such a massive and formidable foe that he is seen as insurmountable yet in the end he lives
He negotiated with Farmer Giles and manuevered his way out instead of simply killing him


All in all he is unlike any dragon I have ever known and much more interesting than anyone left...*lousy Hama evicters*

[Nogrod]

Talking about dragon-personalities, how could you have played an ancient game where you voted Glaurung out! Glaurung would have wiped these two out with just it's tail.

Okay

Instead of merely tending his horde he goes out on an adventure
He is clever and cunning but in a way that to me was different than most dragons
He's not such a massive and formidable foe that he is seen as insurmountable yet in the end he lives
He negotiated with Farmer Giles and manuevered his way out instead of simply killing him


All in all he is unlike any dragon I have ever known and much more interesting than anyone left...*lousy Hama evicters*

'kay then.
1. Instead of merely tending his horde he goes out on an adventureThe merit of which is...? How being a fool makes you worthy of recognition? Do what you're good at, I say. Be what you are.
2. He is clever and cunning but in a way that to me was different than most dragonsThat's a subjective emotion, not an argument to be shared with others. And with the same logic, would you be supporting a Sauron who would have "felt different than the other servants of Morgoth" who would have spread beads and flowers around him? :)
3. He's not such a massive and formidable foe that he is seen as insurmountable yet in the end he livesNice little fairy-dragon, now aren't we? So cute indeed? What's the point of a consiliatory dragon? Being nice enough to serve the morning TV-cartoons that are there only for the adds? And living in the end? What measure of character is that? The dead (or irretrievably gone) will bring forwards our emotions, not the ordinary "survivors" of the everyday... This is all stars!
4. He negotiated with Farmer Giles and manuevered his way out instead of simply killing himOr having not character enough it had to yield to some petty farmer? One dragon we have here! A disgrace to it's kin!

he is unlike any dragon I have ever known and much more interesting than anyone leftYou're serious? :D How come people are not taken by stories of you and me living our daily conciliatory lives? Because we're not interesting!

Chrysophylax is as interesting as the Teletubbies!

*lousy Hama evicters*Don't count me in here though. I agree with you in this. Hama had more emotional believability and stamina than a thousand Chrysophylaxes...

[Firefoot]

++Chrysophylax

Okay, I'm happy to see him having gotten this far. But the truth is, I don't really know who he is, and as such I can hardly say that I want him to win. However interesting minor works characters may be, I'm just not convinced they have what it takes to win at All-Star. When you think "All-Star" (in any sense, not just this), you think of big names, the greatest ones. That doesn't describe Minor Works.

And there's two dragons. We got rid of a second Dwarf; dragons should not be shown the preference.

[Lalaith]

I think the big eagle guy has given us all he's got to give now, it's time for him to go.
I'm sure he'll fare well wherever he fares, and that his eyrie will receive him at his journey's end.

++THORONDOR

[Celuien]

Well, I would rather see Gimli go today, but if I have to choose between the winged beasties, I'd rather evict Thorondor. We shall see...


Dragons absolutely deserve preference! Majestic, noble, terrifying creatures with a terrific sense of humor.

[Kuruharan]

++ Thorondor

I find it curious that people are saying that they don't know anything about Chrysophylax and defending characters like Smaug and Thorondor about which we really know rather less. Smaug's claim to fame seems to rest entirely on the fact that he was in The Hobbit, specifically two chapters. He only had a few aspects of his personality developed.

We know nothing about what Thorondor was like. I'm still puzzled about why he was included in the first place.

Chrysophylax was basically the subject of an entire story and had multiple facets of his personality developed.

It seems to me that the people who are saying that we don't "know" anything about Chrysophylax are either A) betraying their woeful ignorance of Farmer Giles of Ham (and, in fact, might have never read it) or B) are being thoroughly dishonest and hypocritical.

[Firefoot]

I have never denied never having read most of the minor works. When I say "I don't really know anything about him" I mean just that: I personally don't, even if the information is out there.

[Kuruharan]

Then your reasoning is vacuous because you are relying on your own ignorance and apathy to guide your vote. You have no conviction or knowledge about the subject toward which you are purporting to contribute.

[The Only Real Estel]

++ Thorondor

Strange that many of us were saying he was the most boring Survivor character to ever get this far - what? Two rounds (days, whatever) ago?

I'm all for evening things up, but even an admittedly-not-as-vicious-as-most-dragon is more exciting than a boring air ride without the peanuts and Dr. Pepper. :rolleyes:

[Meneltarmacil]

Meh. The more dragons, the merrier.

--Chrysophylax Dives

++Thorondor

[Gil-Galad]

aye menel, aye

--Gimli

++Thorondor

[The Only Real Estel]

Meh. The more dragons, the merrier.

Well I suppose.

I'm not starting a "Save-Chrysophylax-Dives!" campaign (though he happens to be the main vote-getter right now).

I will fully admit, however, to trying to restart a "Get-Thorondor-the-Hell-Out-of-Here!" campaign. :p

[Celuien]

Very well then.

++ THORONDOR

[Diamond18]

Dragons don't fly!

Have you read Tolkien?

Because his dragons fly.


It's too easy to say that Smaug is stereotypical character if Smaug is one of the monuments who has created that stereotype!

Smaug did not create the stereotype. Really, Nogrod, this is quite the ignorant statement.


The merit of which is...? How being a fool makes you worthy of recognition? Do what you're good at, I say. Be what you are.

So in that case, everyone who has gone on an adventure in Tolkien's works is a fool. Bilbo, Frodo, Sam... well let's just say the whole Fellowship were a a bunch of idiots.


Nice little fairy-dragon, now aren't we? So cute indeed? What's the point of a consiliatory dragon? Being nice enough to serve the morning TV-cartoons that are there only for the adds?

This doesn't describe Chrysophlyax any more than saying dragons don't fly does. He was smart and canny, that's not the same as cute, nice, or consiliatory. Just because someone brought up Puff earlier doesn't mean it's an accurate comparison.


And living in the end? What measure of character is that? The dead (or irretrievably gone) will bring forwards our emotions, not the ordinary "survivors" of the everyday... This is all stars!

That's a matter of opinion. Personally I find the ability to stay alive is a better measure of a true survivor than someone who gets killed because he just had to go out and flame the town.

However, whether you think Smaug is better than Chrysi or not is kind of beside the point, since

+ + THORONDOR

is still around.

[Celuien]

As the author of that comparison to Puff, I would like to point out that it was pure silliness in the spirit of Mirth, and meant to point out that not all dragons are evil. Not to say that Chrysi was Puff, which is, of course, absurd. ;) :D

[Firefoot]

Then your reasoning is vacuous because you are relying on your own ignorance and apathy to guide your vote. You have no conviction or knowledge about the subject toward which you are purporting to contribute. So what's the alternative - to rely on others' opinions? That would totally defeat the purpose of playing in the first place if I didn't go by my own opinions. Ignorance? Maybe. Apathy? No. I do care. And I don't want a character that I'd never heard of prior to this game to win - that is my conviction. Sorry. Maybe it is "my fault" that I've never heard of them, if fault it can be called. But it is what it is.

Yes, some of us might be voting off MW characters just because that's what they are. But saying we can't or shouldn't is pretty much saying we shouldn't be voting at all unless we've read the Minor Works. And I don't think that's right. There was a reason I didn't participate in the Minor Works Suvivor. Maybe I'm just tired and reading too much into it, and maybe it's all just part of the game, but that's not really the impression that I'm getting right now (and it's not just you, Kuru).

And I fail to see how "I've never heard of them" is a worse argument than "his name sounds funny," "just to save a different character," or the like. Fine. If those are better, I'm voting Chysophylax because I have to think to hard to spell his name and because the Eagles are cool so I'd like Thorondor to stick around.

[littlemanpoet]

++ Gimli

He is quite simply outclassed by the others.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

I repeat my previous vote today:

++ Thorondor

It takes more than being just a deus ex machina to be an interesting character.

[The 1,000 Reader]

++Chrysophylax Dives.

As mentioned before, he is a rich snob who, compared to Smaug, is Puff the Magic Dragon. Now, seeing Smaug as coolness, and Chrys as the opposite, take these two scenarios.

1. Smaug flies over a town, letting out an enormous blast of fire, setting ablaze a large portion of the place. The fire shines light on his jeweled belly, and an awesome opera theme plays. Bad***.

2. Chrys...well, he doesn't really have anything for an intro. Lame. That, and this being the internet, he has a make-shift Kevin Bacon factor to Puff the Magic Dragon. It's like a fight between the Terminator and Pee-Wee Herman. Chrys is going down.

[The Saucepan Man]

+ + THORONDOR

As the least interesting of the remaining contestants.

Some of these misconceptions about Chrysophylax Dives are really rather startling on what is supposed to be a Tolkien forum.

Let's face it, Dragons are cool in any circumstances and Tolkien's Dragons are particularly cool. We really get to know the likes of Smaug, Glaurung and Chrysophylax. Their great scaly frames are fleshed out, so to speak. They are given personality. OK, so that doesn't apply so much to Scatha and Ancalagon, but they're not the issue here. The other three have character in spades.

What sets Chys out from other Dragons, though, is that his immediate reaction to a problem is not to blunder about spouting fire everywhere and causing mass slaughter. He is no Puff the Magic Dragon, and gobbles up his fair share of Knights when the occasion demands it. But he is also able to think his way out of adversity where necessary. He is cunning and calculating. He has style. He does not fly into a rage at every opportunity and end up getting himself killed. As such, he is a true Survivor. At the very least, he deserves to be in the final.

I can understand why those who know nothing of him might wish to vote him off, but I would suggest that the proper reaction is instead to listen to those who actually know something about this character and/or go off and read about him yourself. I would venture to suggest that few who have actually read about Chrys would label him a dull or inconsequential character. On the contrary, he is complex and fascinating - perhaps one of the most interesting Dragons ever to have graced the pages of a novel.

Don't show your ignorance. Either listen to those who know or read about him yourself and make up your own mind.

[Diamond18]

1. Smaug flies over a town, letting out an enormous blast of fire, setting ablaze a large portion of the place. The fire shines light on his jeweled belly, and an awesome opera theme plays. Bad***.

Until he gets skewered by an arrow and flops to the ground like a bowl of petunias.


2. Chrys...well, he doesn't really have anything for an intro. Lame. That, and this being the internet, he has a make-shift Kevin Bacon factor to Puff the Magic Dragon. It's like a fight between the Terminator and Pee-Wee Herman. Chrys is going down.

Ironic, considering in reality it was Smaug who went down and Chrys who stayed up.

The fight today isn't between Chrys and Smaug, however. It's between Chrys and Thorondor. Which is a shame, because the issue of either dragon vs. Thorondor is frankly a non-competition. Either one would just fry him mid air and be done with him. So why should he survive longer than either?


So what's the alternative - to rely on others' opinions? That would totally defeat the purpose of playing in the first place if I didn't go by my own opinions. Ignorance? Maybe. Apathy? No. I do care. And I don't want a character that I'd never heard of prior to this game to win - that is my conviction. Sorry. Maybe it is "my fault" that I've never heard of them, if fault it can be called. But it is what it is.

Well, you could try reading Farmer Giles of Ham. I mean, it's not unheard of for Tolkien fans to read Tolkien's minor works. I understand you feel a bit persecuted for your stance, but honestly, this is a Tolkien forum and when you loudly and proudly voice your ignorance of a Tolkien work, you're going to catch some flak for it from those who actually have read it.

[Thinlómien]

++Gimli

You're arguing whether to lynch a dragon or a great eagle when you still have a dwarf in the game? This is unheard of!

So in that case, everyone who has gone on an adventure in Tolkien's works is a fool. Bilbo, Frodo, Sam... well let's just say the whole Fellowship were a a bunch of idiots.Of course they were. :D And that's why we love them.

[wilwarin538]

I'm leaving right now, and I won't be back until 6 hours after the deadline. So if anyone can cover for me today, it would be greatly appreciated!

[mormegil]

I believe I could help out again. It will be about 2PM Eastern Time.

[Volo]

Now Diamond, did you even read the post I explained why dragons don't fly? Just think of it, have you ever seen a single picture of a dragon that could really fly? Unless it looks like some real animal, a bird or a bat... But that's not how dragons are described. Is it? And in the end, it was meant as joke...

Actually, of the contestants left, I think Gimli should win.

[The Saucepan Man]

Actually, of the contestants left, I think Gimli should win.Nah. He burps too much ... ;)

[Glirdan]

++Smaug

He already won...

[littlemanpoet]

I want dragons around more than I want eagles around, and both more than dwarves. Be that as it may....

-- Gimli

++ Thorondor

[Bêthberry]

I can understand why those who know nothing of him might wish to vote him off, but I would suggest that the proper reaction is instead to listen to those who actually know something about this character and/or go off and read about him yourself. I would venture to suggest that few who have actually read about Chrys would label him a dull or inconsequential character. On the contrary, he is complex and fascinating - perhaps one of the most interesting Dragons ever to have graced the pages of a novel.

Don't show your ignorance. Either listen to those who know or read about him yourself and make up your own mind.

Well, some of us have read about Chrys. Both Tolkien's version and the REB version. It is charicatures who can best be parodied, as Kuru so ably demonstrated, so enough of this noble character stuff, complex and fascinating.

Besides, I cannot decide who is more boring--Elbereth or Thorondor. ;)

+ + Chrysophylax Dives

[Nogrod]

Funny that one will have to purposefully "flame" a discussion here... But yes, it's looking much better now. For days and days we have just voted with all kinds of reasons and basically nonsensical-reasons. Firefoot made the case perfectly in saying:
And I fail to see how "I've never heard of them" is a worse argument than "his name sounds funny," "just to save a different character," or the like. Some people have tried to ignite the discussion to no avail. We have just sported a sentence in passing and voted, mainly on the same character daily (just a couple of interesting ties or "near cases").

So yes, let's keep up with this intensity, and make it better! Reasoning, argumenting, overdoing things and seeing if the others will note... That's more a game. :rolleyes:

PS. It's been years since I've read the Farmer Giles of Ham. But already now, with the help of some of the arguments made here, I've noticed myself thinking whether I should read it again. If that is not the noble "sub-raison d'etrê" for this kind of a game, then what is? :)

[Tuor in Gondolin]

+ + Thorondor

It's time for the big guy to fly away.

[mormegil]

Voting is over.

Thorondor - 12
Chrysophylax Dives - 7
Gimli - 1
Smaug - 1

As the end of the day approached Gimli and the two dragons began to get rather hungry and proposed and idea to their companions. Elbereth was revolted and Thorondor petrified but before Throndor could escape and Elbereth complain the had captured Throrondor and defeathered the fine eagle. The last thing he ever heard was Gimli saying "I hope he tastes like chicken"


Remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Gimli

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Elbereth

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug

From the Second Age Survivor


From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives



*************************************************

New day begin voting. This is the final four!

[Meneltarmacil]

I'm willing to vote for either Gimli or Elbereth today. I'd like to see a Dragon win this game.

Just waiting for a good bandwagon to join...

[JennyHallu]

++Gimli

Short people got
No reason.

Short people got NO, NO reason to live.

[mormegil]

++Elbereth

She has had absolutely no trouble up to this point. Plus since there aren't any elves or even Thorondor to adore her she has become bitter and nasty.

[Meneltarmacil]

Yeah, I think Elbereth should go. I mean, look at it.

Smaug: Evil.

Gimli: Much more into Aulë.

Chrysophylax: Probably not even from the same universe.

++Elbereth

[Gil-Galad]

now you vote her...

++Elbereth

[Kuruharan]

PS. It's been years since I've read the Farmer Giles of Ham. But already now, with the help of some of the arguments made here, I've noticed myself thinking whether I should read it again. If that is not the noble "sub-raison d'etrê" for this kind of a game, then what is?

Glad I could help.

++ Elbereth

Does she ever really do...anything? I think she may hold the record for being the most inactive of the Valar. Manwe at least tried to do things every so often. Tulkas liked laying the smack down on things. Aule did stuff. Orome did stuff. Namo scared everybody silly. Elbereth is just sort of...there.

[littlemanpoet]

++ Gimli

Same reason.

[Macalaure]

Now, slowly there!

Most inactive of the Valar? Why then did the Elves, and every Man who had some sense, adore her and, more importantly, call upon her name when in peril - and, if I may add, successfully so?
Things don't always come with a bang...

Varda made Sam able to wipe the floor with Shelob. She could make Gimli wipe the floor with both Chrysophylax and Smaug. (After which Gimli will leave the victory to her for three locks of her hair)

She had no troubles so far, and I thought this was a very wise decision by everybody. However, you all seem to suddenly have fallen to the folly of wanting a dragon to win.

[Firefoot]

++Chrysophylax

Two dragons in the final three? Nah...

[Bêthberry]

It might be fun to see who goes down in a dragon showdown.



Why then did the Elves, and every Man who had some sense, adore her and, more importantly, call upon her name when in peril - and, if I may add, successfully so?
Things don't always come with a bang...


I bet they call upon Mommy too and with as much if not more success. C'mon. What would be more cruel than to leave her the survivor but with no one around to worship her?

+ + Elbereth

I won't be around this weekend, so I'll miss the big finale. Have fun! It's been a blast. Thanks, Wilwa for moderating the game and morm for helping out.

[Kuruharan]

Why then did the Elves, and every Man who had some sense, adore her and, more importantly, call upon her name when in peril

Perhaps they are not so sensible after all...

[The 1,000 Reader]

Until he gets skewered by an arrow and flops to the ground like a bowl of petunias.

I was talking in general, not about Lake Town. Also, Smaug's death was HIGHLY situational. He still destroyed Lake Town in his death and doomed any poor people still in the city regardless.


Ironic, considering in reality it was Smaug who went down and Chrys who stayed up.

It's better to go down like a man instead of winning like a wuss.


++Chrysophylax Dives. As stated, he is a smug Dark Age guy who won't share with the common folk, he has a Kevin Bacon factor to Puff the Magic Dragon, and finally, he really doesn't count as a dragon. Sure, dragons have been stereotyped, but the stereotype is basically the guidelines for dragons. Be Menacing, destroy towns, have pride in your race. Smaug fits those, while Chrys isn't menacing, doesn't destroy towns, and lacks the determined pride in his race. He's like a Sith Lord who doesn't act like a sith lord. That's messed up, and is negative to the balance of the world. (He also doesn't have any chance of a cool intro.)

Eagles are the good flying folk; dragons are the opposite. Such treason to one's race is unworthy of a championship.

(Hey guys, it would be pretty lame to have two dragons in the finale. Smaug is the better of the two, and it would make a good Dwarf/Dragon showdown if Elberth went off soon after.)

[Celuien]

++ Gimli

How can you vote for Elbereth, Varda, Tintalle? Most beloved of the Elves, who kindled the stars in the sky? For shame!

[The Saucepan Man]

+ + GIMLI

As I said, he burps too much ... :rolleyes: :D

[The Only Real Estel]

++Chrysophylax Dives

I actually don't much care this round...I could go for Gimli or Elbereth. If it ends up close between those two & Chrys isn't going to be voted out then I'll probably switch my vote to one of them...

[Diamond18]

+ + GIMLI

Compared to two dragons and a goddess, well... he just doesn't compare.

[Volo]

++Smaug

He made a fool of himself in the most unbelievable way. Lives for ages and then gets shot because a hobbit stole one of his golden mugs... Now that isn't something dragons do. Smaug is an example what dragons shouldn't be.

[Nogrod]

Sadly I'm in a hurry, so only a vote at this point...

++ Chrysophylax Dives

(I've have'nt had time to reread Farmer Giles and consider other contestants more worthy of the All Star title... ;) )

[Lalaith]

An sí Tintallë Varda Oiolossëo ve fanyar máryat Elentári ortanë

C'mon, she's so cool, she's got to stay.

Gimli, worshipper of Galadriel, quite understands.

++GIMLI

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Get out of this game already

++Chrysophylax Dives

sorry I am just not motivatet to make a case today. . .it shouldn't be needed either!

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Eeny, meeny, miney, mo... (Well, that's as good a method as looking for threadbare reasons!)

++Gimli

I like him as a book character, but would he really want to stay on an island without Legolas?

[Glirdan]

My mother told me to pick the very best one and it is not you!

++Gimli