T-I-G LV Sing when you're winning

[satansaloser2005]

I'm done with the gloom and bleak outlook...the news was a bad choice for me. I turn on the tube and they're testing what happens when you throw a large goose into a jet engine. Ugh...

On the news?!? I once saw that on an episode of Mythbusters.

Getting off work now. Heading back to campus, then doing vote tally. :)


ETA: Well, it wasn't a goose, it was a chicken I believe, but still. Good episode. Vote count coming shortly.

[Mithalwen]

I'm done with the gloom and bleak outlook...the news was a bad choice for me. I turn on the tube and they're testing what happens when you throw a large goose into a jet engine. Ugh...

Blimey - what is wrong with the media ... managing to turn a rare happy story of survival due to the great skill of pilot and crew into a gorefest...anyone would think they were sorry there were no casualties... Anyway...digression...

[Boromir88]

On the news?!? I once saw that on an episode of Mythbusters.~sally
I know that's why I came back here...

What do we have? I'm no longer assuming anything except my own innocence, Agan's, and that tp can't die again and it's pointless to go that route.

That leaves, in no specifice order...

sally
Lari
Gwath
Shasta
Kath

2 critics, 1 cobbler, 1 divo.

I'm none of the above. It still might be beneficial for the divo to stay hidden unless in danger of a lynch today, but I'll leave that up to the divo.

I'll go through to see who fits either as critic or cobbler. Our hands are tied, we virtually have to get critics now, Walter counts in our tally. It will be beneficial to try and oust walter if to do nothing else than give us someone we know is not a critic, and see if Walter knows a critic and attempts to save the known critic.

[Boromir88]

sally I guess is on the vote tally, I will let you know, I'm highly suspicious of you girl but it might be better to try and get everyone involved here. If there's any trickery we can notice.

Other points to look at...why the Mac choice last night? Why not take the known innocent Agan? Why not some one else? We can look through all the vote tally's to try and find Walter as well. I was hoping if we couldn't get Walter, than the wolves would accidentally kill him off. But in this sneak set up, votes could be a way to clue the critics into who Walter spied on the previous night. Maybe there is something a little more evil behind those who missed votes? Did Walter abstain from voting when xe spied and found a wolf? That is a signal, and how does each of the remaining people's votes coincide with the wolf choices?

[Lariren Shadow]

Mac's dead?!

Huh, well, that changes my plan for today of "get Mac". And I have to go through and see about the votes as well. And I really thought Gollum was a critic too.

To be honest, I don't think the divo/a should revel themselves today. Critics could then post that they are the real one. We won't know who is the real divo/a. It's a great ploy to do that too, considering that's the only innocent gifted left.

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry, I am indeed on the vote tally, but I had a thought, and I am admittedly too lazy (and a bit crunched for time presently) to read over the rules again.


Does the other soulmate necessarily HAVE to be an ordo?

[Lariren Shadow]

Sally: yes. A Day or so ago Boro thought the same thing and before that Mith posted very clearly that the Soulmates are only soulmates, nothing else.

[Boromir88]

Does the other soulmate necessarily HAVE to be an ordo?~sally
I don't know if you remember the "Shirriff" role, that goes a little while back and hasn't been used in a while. Anyway, in old WW villages, the shirriffs were just ordos but had the ability to PM eachother during the day....they would know eachother as two innocent (ordos), and could PM strategy...etc that type of thing.

The soulmates in this opera are essentially two Shirriffs, but with the ability that once one soulmate died the other had a chance to make a revenge kill. To avenge the loss of their other half, which Agan chose Cailin yesterday.

[Lariren Shadow]

Besides the vote counting, I think we should analyze the wolf kills. That could give us a clue as to who they are based on that.

I think I'll do that when I have more time later toDay.

[satansaloser2005]

I don't know if you remember the "Shirriff" role, that goes a little while back and hasn't been used in a while. Anyway, in old WW villages, the shirriffs were just ordos but had the ability to PM eachother during the day....they would know eachother as two innocent (ordos), and could PM strategy...etc that type of thing.

The soulmates in this opera are essentially two Shirriffs, but with the ability that once one soulmate died the other had a chance to make a revenge kill. To avenge the loss of their other half, which Agan chose Cailin yesterday.

Darn. Okay, well I figured I'd ask. Thanks.

Vote count done, just need to italicize/bold it all. Back in about five minutes.

[satansaloser2005]

Gwath-->Sally at 8:42am
Shasta-->Gollum at 10:56am
Cailin/Eomer-->Gwath at 11:28am
Boro-->Mac at 11:47am
Agan-->Mac at 11:49am
Mac-->Sally at 11:51am
Lari-->Mac at 12:00pm
Kath-->Cailin/Eomer at 12:06pm
Mac-->Gwath at 12:20pm
retraction of Mac-->Sally at 11:51am
Lari-->Gollum at 12:23pm
retraction of Lari-->Mac at 12:00pm
Sally-->Gollum at 12:24pm
---------------------------------
Gollum-->Mac at 12:31pm
Kath-->Mac at 12:33pm
retraction of Kath-->Cailin/Eomer at 12:06pm

Again, innocents are italicized (including Agan) and if we had any known critics I'd have underlined them. DL of 12:30 my time, all vote times listed accordingly. Enjoy.

[Boromir88]

Darn. Okay, well I figured I'd ask. Thanks.~sally
Was Nog onto something about you, on Day 1 sally?

[satansaloser2005]

Was Nog onto something about you, on Day 1 sally?

Not quite sure what you're asking, dear. Sorry.


I'm off to class. Watching the X-Files today (which should make our lovely Miss Kath happy) and will probably have a short break somewhere in the middle of our session. If not, I'll be back around supper time.

[Boromir88]

Not quite sure what you're asking, dear. Sorry.~sally
Just thought I'd do it, maybe give you an advanced warning. Everyone I don't know about will get a dose of the Boro treatment today, at this stage we can't footsie around anymore. But I wanted to let you know, that you happened to draw the short straw and will probably be first.

[satansaloser2005]

Just thought I'd do it, maybe give you an advanced warning. Everyone I don't know about will get a dose of the Boro treatment today, at this stage we can't footsie around anymore. But I wanted to let you know, that you happened to draw the short straw and will probably be first.

Fine with me. Just make sure everyone else gets the same treatment and we'll call it even. Like I said before, I deserve to die for my stupidity yesterDay, but killing me honestly won't help the village, so if/when I go down I plan on taking a critic with me.


And what did you mean about Nog, if you don't mind my asking?

Really off to class now. Bye~!

[Aganzir]

Note to self: stop obsessing.

And you know precisely where to find shoes, don't you?
Yes, I'd imagine he does.

Sally why do you think Boro is innocent?

The bad thing is, I'm still alive and I'm going to be busy tomorrow because of a stupid school thing. The good thing is, Mac is dead and I can finally concentrate on others properly.

Does the other soulmate necessarily HAVE to be an ordo?
Yup. Even if it wasn't stated in the rules, Mith said it later.

I don't think the diva/divo should believe people who tell xem not to reveal, but decide for xemself. Two known innocents today wouldn't be a bad thing, and even if someone else tried to pose as xem, we'd find them out soon enough.

I don't trust anyone of you and least of all phantom.

[Boromir88]

And what did you mean about Nog, if you don't mind my asking?~sally
Nog's not really important, just asking if on Day 1 when he voted for you if he was on the right trail.

Yes, I'd imagine he does.~Agan
Well I do have 4 pairs of black dress shoes, and 1 pair of brown ones, plus some sandals, a pair of boots, and a pair of walking shoes...so I guess for a gentleman that is an excessive amount of shoes, but I would feel safe in saying everyone here can find their shoes lying around somewhere. If you're trying to suggest what I think you're suggesting, it'd be best for you to stop.

[Aganzir]

What kind of boots are they? I like old military style boots (or fascist boots as some people I know call them).

it'd be best for you to stop.
Ah but why? I'm bored.

Although I probably shouldn't be, I should be doing something useful. Like going through posts. However it's rather late and I have to wake up early tomorrow.
I'll see if I can come up with something before going to sleep.

I would really like to hear more from Shasta today.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally why do you think Boro is innocent?

Just a feeling. You I know are innocent, he strikes me as innocent.

The bad thing is, I'm still alive and I'm going to be busy tomorrow because of a stupid school thing. The good thing is, Mac is dead and I can finally concentrate on others properly.


I don't think the diva/divo should believe people who tell xem not to reveal, but decide for xemself. Two known innocents today wouldn't be a bad thing, and even if someone else tried to pose as xem, we'd find them out soon enough.

Agreed. That's the only secret left to the critics, the identity of our diva/devo, so the longer we keep that hidden the better.

I don't trust anyone of you and least of all phantom.

I don't know why Phantom would betray us. How exactly would he benefit from that?

[satansaloser2005]

Nog's not really important, just asking if on Day 1 when he voted for you if he was on the right trail.


Ah, gotcha. And not that I expect you to take my word for it, but no, he wasn't.

[Mithalwen]

[B]
Well I do have 4 pairs of black dress shoes, and 1 pair of brown ones, plus some sandals, a pair of boots, and a pair of walking shoes...so I guess for a gentleman that is an excessive amount of shoes


Err what would you say was an excessive amount of shoes for a lady? :eek:
Otherwise could someone enlighten a poor befuddled Moddess (by PM if necessary what this is about?

[satansaloser2005]

Err what would you say was an excessive amount of shoes for a lady? :eek:
Otherwise could someone enlighten a poor befuddled Moddess (by PM if necessary what this is about?

Love, you can never have too many shoes. ;)


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[the phantom]

To be honest, I don't think the divo/a should revel themselves today. Critics could then post that they are the real one. We won't know who is the real divo/a.
Nah. The real Divo will have a way to prove his identity. It is doubtful the claim would be challenged.

Unless the Critic or Walter had planned, from the very beginning, on the possibility of a false reveal, in which case they would have a way to "prove" themselves as well. But there aren't many who would plan in detail that far ahead for things that are unlikely to ever happen.

But that isn't to say that there is no advantage to be gained from a hidden Divo. There is. But of course it's all useless if a baddie is not lynched today.

[satansaloser2005]

Nah. The real Divo will have a way to prove his identity. It is doubtful the claim would be challenged.

And you know this how, exactly?

Blah, I'm being a terrible person and popping out from class for a bit. Best get back soon. (We're not even watching the X-Files, much to my chagrin. :()

EDIT: Heading back to class now, back later. Make lots of shiny posts for Miss Sally whilst I'm gone, savvy?
EDIT #2: Just noticed Phantom's location. *smiles and toddles off*

[Aganzir]

JAgreed. That's the only secret left to the critics, the identity of our diva/devo, so the longer we keep that hidden the better.
Actually I'm rather for xer revealing, but that's just my opinion. I don't know how likely it is that the critics don't already know xer identity, and therefore there's a risk that xer abstaining from revealing benefits the critics more than us.

I don't know why Phantom would betray us. How exactly would he benefit from that?
I don't think he'd exactly betray us - it's more like that he posts without caring which side he's helping, and he could do it just for fun. How else could he amuse himself during these boring days of not being allowed to vote? He isn't on our side, either. That's why I'm not really trusting him.

edit: xed with phantom & sally

[the phantom]

On the subject of shoes....
-black formal
-brown formal
-4 casual everyday
-snow boots
-water shoes
-running
-tennis
-basketball
-hiking
-cleats
-slippers

Grand total: 14

Verdict: Not excessive. All serve a specific purpose.

[Gwathagor]

Love, you can never have too many shoes.

Oh really?

[the phantom]

I don't know why Phantom would betray us.
Or maybe I like to help whoever is the nicest to me.
And you know this how, exactly?
I'm assuming that the Divo has known since the beginning that he is the Divo, and has also realized that he should have a way to prove his claim should it be challenged.

[Gwathagor]

I don't know how likely it is that the critics don't already know xer identity, and therefore there's a risk that xer abstaining from revealing benefits the critics more than us.



And if the critics do know who the divo (or diva, as the case may be) is, then they aren't likely to be too concerned about keeping the cobbler around anymore.

[Aganzir]

And if the critics do know who the divo (or diva, as the case may be) is, then they aren't likely to be too concerned about keeping the cobbler around anymore.
The cobbler can always help them in the end. With a vote, for example. And if the critics know the diva/divo's identity, they just want xem to stay hidden so the village wouldn't get a known innocent.

After all the diva/divo can be lynched.

[Gwathagor]

The cobbler can always help them in the end. With a vote, for example. And if the critics know the diva/divo's identity, they just want xem to stay hidden so the village wouldn't get a known innocent.

After all the diva/divo can be lynched.

Oh. I thought the diva was just sort of invincible.

[the phantom]

Did you hear the news?

Concentric Circles Emanating From Glowing Red Dot!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wHMaJ6AtNs)

[Aganzir]

Oh. I thought the diva was just sort of invincible.
Nope, phantom is the only invincible player.

Also, if we try to lynch a critic or the cobbler, we are most likely going to get a fake diva/divo reveal. So if the diva/divo revealed now, we would at least have time to discuss it thoroughly if need be. A reveal a few minutes before deadline doesn't sound very tempting.

[Mithalwen]

Love, you can never have too many shoes. ;)


(13 more posts to my 1k!)

Well it does occur that I have many pairs of shoes few of which I ever wear.... :rolleyes:

And I have twigged about shoes..and googled cleats....

[Gwathagor]

Also, if we try to lynch a critic or the cobbler, we are most likely going to get a fake diva/divo reveal. So if the diva/divo revealed now, we would at least have time to discuss it thoroughly if need be. A reveal a few minutes before deadline doesn't sound very tempting.

I agree. If the diva/o is going to reveal, it ought to be done in advance. And I'm beginning to think that maybe it would be a good idea. After all, the only advantage we would have in the diva/o remaining hidden is that the Critics might waste a kill on her/him, but that won't be much help if we don't get a baddie toDay - and knowing who the diva/o is would make that a lot easier.

[Gwathagor]

I'm assuming that the Divo has known since the beginning that he is the Divo, and has also realized that he should have a way to prove his claim should it be challenged.

I wouldn't count on it...we don't all play as well or as thoughtfully as you.

[Aganzir]

Well it does occur that I have many pairs of shoes few of which I ever wear.... :rolleyes:
Indeed. High heels look darn hot but are uncomfortable to wear too often.
add: Also, I see I have fewer shoes than phantom. :p

After all, the only advantage we would have in the diva/o remaining hidden is that the Critics might waste a kill on her/him
Well unless the critics want to go tricksy again, I'm going to die next night. In any case I find it improbable that they should try to kill the diva/divo, so xe might as well reveal today and save us the trouble.

[Gwathagor]

Well unless the critics want to go tricksy again, I'm going to die next night.

You're right! I hadn't thought about that. There really isn't any reason for the diva/o to not reveal.

[Gwathagor]

Also, I see I have fewer shoes than phantom. :p



That is no doubt because fascist boots are suitable for just about any occasion.

[Aganzir]

That is no doubt because fascist boots are suitable for just about any occasion.
I haven't found the perfect fascist boots yet but I'm on the look out for them. Unfortunately my foot is so small that it's impossible to get anything authentic that would fit me.

[the phantom]

There really isn't any reason for the diva/o to not reveal.
Except for the possibility that they are targeted the night after tonight.

But as I said before, that assumes we lynch a baddie today.

And I agree that a Critic or Walter on his way to lynching is likely to claim to be the Divo. But the Divo would do that too. I would advise against a late voting flurry. Voting ahead of time would solve the problem of lynching the Divo and him not having enough time to prove his identity.
I wouldn't count on it...we don't all play as well or as thoughtfully as you.
If that is the case, then I might agree that the Divo should come out early, for we would be unlikely to believe a late reveal without proof.

But if the Divo can swiftly prove himself, I don't see why he couldn't sit on his secret and only reveal if the vote swings his direction.

[Gwathagor]

Anyone have a vote summary from yesterday? It would be nice.

You're very particular for a ghost.

(Name that book!)

EDIT: (And don't google the quote!)

[Gwathagor]

But if the Divo can swiftly prove himself, I don't see why he couldn't sit on his secret and only reveal if the vote swings his direction.

I think because knowing who is innocent will make it easier for us to figure out who is not.

[the phantom]

Think holiday songs.

[Gwathagor]

I haven't found the perfect fascist boots yet but I'm on the look out for them. Unfortunately my foot is so small that it's impossible to get anything authentic that would fit me.

Ha. The first thing that popped into my head was an image of a particularly small fascist dictator.

[the phantom]

I think because knowing who is innocent will make it easier for us to figure out who is not.
Or you all could just vote a little earlier. That way if you have voted for the Divo he can let you know and there will still be plenty of time to think about what you will change your vote to. (And this way the Divo doesn't have to step out needlessly.)

[Gwathagor]

Think holiday songs.

:)

[Mithalwen]

You're very particular for a ghost.

(Name that book!)

EDIT: (And don't google the quote!)

Shall if I want to *pouts*..and you have no idea what weird stuff I got before I put the quotation marks in....

[Aganzir]

See, if we lynch an innocent today and an innocent dies in the night (which will happen because the wolves know they are able to kill at least me), we lose. It'd be 3-2 for the wolves as the cobbler can join them then.

And I don't want to see a critic about to be lynched today come out shouting, 'I'm the diva!' and have some poor wavering soul retract and vote someone else just because they don't want to risk killing xem. Also, it's usually difficult for an innocent to predict how the vote goes.

Gwath, I'm not planning to become a dictator... yet. ;) And though I wear a uniform I was not born to fight.

edit: xed with phantom. I will probably have to vote early (ie an hour or two before deadline) because I've promised to go to cinema with some friends and the movie they want to see begins at, erm, don't remember. Around deadline anyway.

[satansaloser2005]

*googled, but just to check her suspicions*

Ah, very nice, Gwath dear.

Back but soon going to supper. And thus I leave you with a quote (which I didn't even realize I knew....weird....)

"Permit me thus to be torn from thee." (Well, at least until my tummy's full.)

(As with Gwath's, no googling. Enjoy, darlings~!)

[Gwathagor]

*googled, but just to check her suspicions*

Ah, very nice, Gwath dear.

Back but soon going to supper. And thus I leave you with a quote (which I didn't even realize I knew....weird....)

"Permit me thus to be torn from thee." (Well, at least until my tummy's full.)

(As with Gwath's, no googling. Enjoy, darlings~!)

As long as you don't call me "Gwathie."

Well...it's not Shakespeare, but that's all I can say for sure. That, and I wish it were. Shakespeare, I mean.

[the phantom]

But of course there is this....

If I had been assigned the role of Walter, I would have, without a doubt, seen the benefits in impersonating the Divo. I mean, usually a suspected gifted would get killed in the Night, and thus when you keep living and keep living a gifted impersonator would be swiftly suspected.

But not if you're impersonating the Divo, for they cannot be killed at night, and so it would be no wonder that you continue living. It is protection from the village and the Critics to be the suspected Divo. And thus I would have, right from the start, set out some clues that, upon looking back, would "prove" my claim as the Divo.

So, if our resident Walter sings the same way I do, he will be as likely as the Divo to be believed. In that case an early reveal (as in now) would indeed be nice.

[Mithalwen]

Lot earlier than Uncle Bill, Gwathagor....

[Boromir88]

So, if our resident Walter sings the same way I do, he will be as likely as the Divo to be believed. In that case an early reveal (as in now) would indeed be nice.~tp
What if the current Divo is unable to around a lot, and the resident Walter takes your advice, makes the divo claims says..."Here's my proof?" We all soak it up than we have a mess on our hands. The divo is lucky I'm not a baddie this game, if I was I would have no problem with making a false divo reveal right now and get the real divo lynched, when xe would step out to refute the claim. I can be quite convincing when I'm evil, ask Shasta. :p Speaking of which, where'd he run off to?

[Gwathagor]

I can be quite convincing when I'm evil, ask Shasta. :p Speaking of which, where'd he run off to?

More like, where's he been?

[Boromir88]

In a round about way, what I'm trying to get to, is instead of debating the strategy of what the Divo and/or critics/Walter will do at this stage, how about we start stepping on some toes? Critics' toes preferable, but Walter's, divo's, ordo's whoever, at this point it's lets cut the crap and I don't care who it is.

Ah, gotcha. And not that I expect you to take my word for it, but no, he wasn't.~sally
Well, not necessarily. Sometimes when placed under the gun, the true innocent is revealed.

I'd imagine Mac was killed, because after his plea yesterday it would be difficult to make him a lynch target. And Agan was kept alive because she could be manipulated to make a poor vote, where Mac may have had the right scent. But, don't take that offensively Agan, I realize the only reason I'm still here to is because I know squat and when I know absolute jack, the wolves manipulate my vote easily too. I'm only good as a seer or a wolf, because I have more info. When I have no clue what is going on, the only people I seem to benefit are the wolves.

[Boromir88]

More like, where's he been?~Gwath
True. And when I return from some lovely spaghetti dinner that is being made for me, I will finish what I said I was going to do at the beginning of the day.

[satansaloser2005]

As long as you don't call me "Gwathie."

Well...it's not Shakespeare, but that's all I can say for sure. That, and I wish it were. Shakespeare, I mean.

I considered it but decided against, in favor of, ya know, not being killed. ;)


Indeed, not our dear Billy Bob. Think back a bit (read, while) farther.

[Aganzir]

What if the current Divo is unable to around a lot, and the resident Walter takes your advice, makes the divo claims says..."Here's my proof?"
It's a risk that can't be avoided.

I can be quite convincing when I'm evil, ask Shasta.
Bah you didn't convince me. :p Only I wasn't able to be online at that time which was a pity.

And Agan was kept alive because she could be manipulated to make a poor vote, where Mac may have had the right scent.
Yeah I kind of thought about that. ;) I'm way too obsessive about my suspicions.
Of course it's also possible they killed Mac to cause a distraction and get us speculate what it was that led to his death. There are several possibilities and frankly, I don't want to start speculating right now.

Anyway darlings I really need to go to sleep. Not perfectly sure when I'll be back - I'm busy tomorrow. I try to come up with something more productive then.

I have a gnawing bad feeling about Boro.

[Boromir88]

I have a gnawing bad feeling about Boro.~Agan
What's changed?

[the phantom]

What's changed?
Oh, why bother asking questions of her? You already know she has no evil motives behind her suspicions.

You just need to talk her out of it.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I can be quite convincing when I'm evil, ask Shasta. Speaking of which, where'd he run off to?

I have my reasons. Most of them are RL. I have been trying to pay attention, though.

Which is why I'd like to state the following;

I'm seeing a Boro/Sally connection today (sorry, dear). Even though I've been horribly wrong all game, I'm willing to bet at least one, if not both, is/are critical. I'll post what I've seen momentarily. Mind you, this is today's interactions only, I haven't had time to read the entire thread.

[Kath]

Don't know:
sally
Lari
Boro
Gwath
Shasta

Innocent:
Kath
Agan
phantom

So there are two Critics left, a Cobbler and two innocents. Which means that even if we threw caution to the wind and double lynched we wouldn't be certain of getting a single baddie.

What's worse from my point of view is that I can't be here at the deadline. In fact I'm going to be gone from 1pm my time and won't be back due to RL. For that reason I'm going to reveal, so that you know my 'innocent' list is actually entirely correct. I am the Diva! Contrary to phantom's assured beliefs that we are all as clever and forward planning as he is I have pretty much failed to leave proof of who I am. I started to try in my first post, began the first sentence with a D, the second with an I, and then realised I'd have to start a sentence with a V and couldn't think of how to do that without looking weird and gaining suspicion that way. If it helps with believing me I can tell you the reason for the role, however, which came out of a discussion between Mith and myself over how irritated I got when about Night 5 is reached and I'm generally killed. My role was actually decided months ago, which is why I have always believed that Mith's Critic roles were hand-picked and not left to the randomiser.

Therefore for entirely game involvement reasons I would be inclined to think that Boro and sally would be our Critics. Making Lari a wolf in her first ever game, in this game with people like phantom and Fea around, would be tough on her. Given what we've seen of her I've no doubt she could do it, I'm just not sure Mith would have dropped her in at the deep end. Gwath and Shasta have been too disappear'y recently.

My actual game suspicions do somewhat match up. I mean what was going on yesterDay around voting time. I can about see where all the votes for Mac came from in the first place, he was jumpy, insistent, abrasive - but then why did everyone suddenly seem to change their minds?

Gwath: sally
Shasta: Gollum
Cailín: Gwath
Boro: Mac
Agan: Mac
Mac: sally
Lari: Mac
Kath: Cailin

At this point things were pretty normal, then Agan chooses to kill Cailin, we discover that she's innocent and all hell breaks loose.

Firstly Lari suddenly announces that she wants to retract Mac and vote Gollum because Gollum looks more suspicious.

Mac obviously goes for this idea as he knows he is innocent but doesn't know about Gollum.

All perfectly normal.

Then sally appears asking someone to retract Mac or she isn't going to vote. This looks very odd to me. 'I may think Mac is potentially guilty but I don't want to lynch him. ToDay anyway.' Why? We are now not lynching the guilty people? I suppose if she thought he was the Cobbler rather than a Critic that makes a little more sense but even so. Then votes Gollum - why? Was it just to avoid the double lynch or did she actually think he was suspicious?

And that's where I'm up to right now and my battery is about to die. I'll be back in about 10/15 mins with battery and thoughts!

[Aganzir]

Thanks Kath. I can see no reason not to believe your claim.

Boro, what has changed is that I read about half your posts yesterday and, you know, since I'm always paranoid and obsessive at least at this point of the game, I couldn't help noticing some suspicious things.
But you can actually blame phantom - it was he who first pointed out the cobbler things in your first post (which I wouldn't have caught myself). As the cobbler's information is passed on to the critics, xe can use that to make xer identity known to them. Therefore what's the reason for an innocent to pretend to be the cobbler - the critics would catch a bluffing innocent soon enough for accusing the wrong people and such?

This is also why I don't trust phantom. He can help us, sure, but he also does whatever pleases him.

[Kath]

Sorry, had more to do than I thought.

I'm going to vote now and I'm going to stick with:

++SALLY

I don't like voting for her when she hasn't had a chance to reply to what I said about her earlier but I really have very little choice. Right now she looks the most suspicious to me.

See you toMorrow ... assuming we get this right!

[Boromir88]

Oh, why bother asking questions of her? You already know she has no evil motives behind her suspicions.~tp
The only thing I can think of doing then is...

++Boro

Best of luck critics. I doubt I can be of any more service.

[Boromir88]

Before anyone says anything else, I'd also just like to point out I'm a secret-holder of information. Have fun.

But I will say, Kath, darling, they've known about you for a couple days now. ;)

[Lariren Shadow]

So while doing this I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s possibly hard to figure out wolves from their kills because of counting in Fea.

The phantom: Obvious kill. And by that I mean if the wolves were playing smart than they would have taken him out of the first day. From what I’ve heard you never know his role or who's side he’s on anyway. Plus, well this one I don’t know if we could find any other wolf who would want the phantom dead more than Fea.

TGWBS: Pretty much obviously Fea. Now she wasn’t/isn’t working alone, but this one has her all over it. He kept suspecting her and if she had any inkling that he was the Seer then she probably would have gone ahead and killed him even if the other wolves didn’t agree. So his death, while really bad for us, is almost only hers.

Brinn: Interesting choice. I’m not at all sure why she was killed. Did the cobbler tell the wolves she was innocent and they just went for her? She thought Kath’s Ilya vote was a little suspicious, which might have been the truth, but other than that nothing. But her death made Mac look bad. Were the wolves setting up Mac? Which leads to who thought Mac was guilty and to…

Mac: Who was clearly not who anyone thought would be killed(myself included). Sorry Agan, but, well, I thought you were a goner. Agan was against him, but so was Boro. We know Agan is innocent(or else her revenge kill wouldn’t have worked yesterday) but we don’t know about Boro. I changed my mind on the vote because, well, if he was guilty then there would have been a good chance we would have lynched him today. And I really did think that Gollum was guilty. I thought Mac might have wanted to vote with me to save himself, sacrifice one to save themselves and all. But now that he’s dead, not so sure. His death makes Boro look suspicious though. Would the wolves have known if he was innocent though? Did the cobbler spy on him? Not sure, but then again, not sure who the cobbler spied on at all.

Now I should go back through all the suspicions and see who's left. Sorry about this being late, RL popped up so much to the point of I thought of dropping out.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, just (sort of) woke up. Couple quick reactions as I hit the snooze button. ;)



Kath: You're getting it wrong.


Boro: What the heck?


Lari: Hmmmm, you bring up an interesting point about the night kills. I'll have to consider it real quick.


In any case, I need to wake up a bit. I'll probably post some at work (depending on which management people are there today) but otherwise I'll have to just pop in and vote.


And I'm wondering quite a bit if Boro's self vote is a trick. *rolls eyes and yawns*

I'll be back in a bit when I can speak in semi-complete sentences.

[Aganzir]

Okay I just read through the thread which was a terrible job.

Operas have puns, correct, or is that just plays? "The plays the thing," as some shakespearean character once said.
The play's the thing
Wherein I'll catch the conscience of the King.
So, Hamlet wanted a proof that his uncle had murdered his father. Boro needs proof about murderers too... and knows how to get it?

Also, that time I was the seer, this time I'm not, and thus I deduce you made a fake confession.
The innocent Boro I'm used to tries to protect the seer.

On day 1 Boro suspected sally because Nog said she was trying to be forgotten. I still think the reasons were bad. The following day he preferred Ilya, Gollum or Cailín over Bowie, sally and Shasta to be lynched when it came to submarines.

Boro is persuasive about tgwbs not dreaming of a critic on night 1. I'm not so sure. I think it seems the most likely he dreamed of Fea and Mac before his death. However, although Boro was clearly on top of his innocent list, he didn't suggest once that tgwbs could have dreamed of him but insisted a phantom dream was more likely. So no one would be surprised when he kept surviving?

Somehow the way Boro reacted to me on day 3 looks cobblerish.
I do hope after this day is over, you take the night, to not only consider who you choose for a kill (it would be a wasted choice on me, just giving you a heads up ;)), but look over this Fea-Boro talk and come to a different conclusion. Because before you consider using this little interaction between Fea and myself, be prepared to have it thrown back at you, and I guarantee you will be lynched before me. Not saying don't try it, just saying before you do, make sure you want to and definitely...Be Prepared.
So... I was simply the most suspicious character back then as tgwbs's evidence pretty much pointed against me. What does Boro do (and I suspected him based on he and Fea's interaction)? Be Prepared. "Hey Agan you're clearly a wolf, don't bother going after me!"
I noted he was singing my favourite song, and after that I think he seemed to, well, not exactly defend me, but not be certain of my guilt either.
Plus he considered defending me on the following day. Not that I have anything against it but still it just doesn't feel innocent.

**

I don't like sally's day 2 vote for Gollum. I think he was too easy a target, plus as Brinn said, sally sounded like she was just echoing her reasons. Also, she's been laying back a bit, at least it feels she has.

I'm still somewhat suspicious of Gwath but his reactions in our talk about whether the diva should reveal or not seemed innocent. I'm rather sure sally and Gwath aren't wolves together though.

Of the others I have nothing special to say yet. Might want to analyze Lari if I have time though, she's been flying under my radar.

edit: xed with two Boros, Lari & sally. Grr do you have any idea how much time I would have spared if you had said that earlier? :p

[Boromir88]

Grr do you have any idea how much time I would have spared if you had said that earlier? :p
I think you misunderstand, what I'm trying to show you. Give me just a little more time.

[Aganzir]

And I'm wondering quite a bit if Boro's self vote is a trick. *rolls eyes and yawns*
What do you mean by trick?

Anyway it's rather clear that he doesn't have the singers' best interests in mind. I think we should lynch him today. There's after all a risk he's a bluffing critic (although given what I've been able to make of his posts thus far I'm not inclined to believe so). However, lynching him would mean there's certainly one baddie down. If we lynch an innocent today we lose tomorrow.

Also, as there are only four innocents, one of whom has voted already, it's very important we all vote for the same person.

How does this situation look so familiar...? Oh now I remember it was my second game and I wanted to get The Saucepan Cobbler lynched instead of taking a risk and we lost the following day.
Which means Shasta is a wolf! :p

edit: xed with Boro

[satansaloser2005]

What do you mean by trick?

Anyway it's rather clear that he doesn't have the singers' best interests in mind. I think we should lynch him today. There's after all a risk he's a bluffing critic (although given what I've been able to make of his posts thus far I'm not inclined to believe so). However, lynching him would mean there's certainly one baddie down. If we lynch an innocent today we lose tomorrow.

Also, as there are only four innocents, one of whom has voted already, it's very important we all vote for the same person.

How does this situation look so familiar...? Oh now I remember it was my second game and I wanted to get The Saucepan Cobbler lynched instead of taking a risk and we lost the following day.
Which means Shasta is a wolf! :p



That' exactly what I meant by trick. Either self-voting to get us to kill him (if he's Walter) or self-voting to get us to think he's Walter and not kill him (if he's a critic). Remember that we have to get a CRITIC today, not necessarily just a baddie, if that makes sense.


I know you were kidding, but I really did go through Shasta's posts last night and found....erm, nothing. Is it just me or is there pretty much no substance? (I know he's been very busy, but he's left not a whole lot of a trace all game and I'm wondering if that part is deliberate)

[Boromir88]

Ugh, you can never do any tricks around here anymore that will work. People blow it up before it ever has a chance of working. :rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

Ugh, you can never do any tricks around here anymore that will work. People blow it up before it ever has a chance of working. :rolleyes:


;)



See, I'm entirely backwards this game, obviously, so if I trust someone they have to be a critic or Walter. I trust Boro, so he's gotta be evil. ;)

I'm wondering, however, why he didn't try to hop on to Kath's vote for me. Well, too obvious I suppose, and there's always a retraction. Of course at the same time if he wants to make me look guilty (be he Walter or an actual critic) all he needs to do is support me and I'll get the lynch. (And they'll get the game.)

[Boromir88]

Here's the deal...

There is one crucial mistake you are wrong about Agan...this
Anyway it's rather clear that he doesn't have the singers' best interests in mind.

I don't have time to sit here and defend myself, or go through posts to try and defend myself. And besides even if I did that rarely ever works. With Kath's reveal, that left...

sally
Gwath
Shasta
Lari

Who I was unsure about. My Walter reveal was fake, now why would an ordo do a fake cobbler reveal? I did it a long time ago when Fordim was a cobbler, I faked a cobbler reveal to not only prove my innocence but force the real cobbler to come out, that was our only shot of winning.

I thought I'd attempt it again, I could get the real cobbler out, plus prove my innocence leaving 3 unknowns 2 of them critics. Those are hell-a-good chances. But now that's been entirely blown up. And now all I can tell you is lynch me and it's over.

[satansaloser2005]

Votes are

Kath-->Sally
Boro-->Boro


Obviously I'm not going to advocate lynching myself, because for one I know I'm innocent, for two I'm not a masochist (at least not today ;)) and for three of the two candidates Boro is the ONLY choice of not losing the game toDay. So if I have to, yes, I will vote for Boro, because I'd rather take a chance on killing Walter and letting the critics win than I would see a known innocent (in this case me) die and have us lose the game for sure.

Headed off to work in a bit. My participation my really go down the tubes for the rest of the Day. My apologies.

EDIT: X'd with Fea....erm, I mean Boro. ;)

[Aganzir]

Honestly, not quite sure I believe you Boro. You could be the cobbler just revealing, you could be a faking ordo, you could be the cobbler pretending to be a faking ordo. We others have no way to know it.

[satansaloser2005]

Honestly, not quite sure I believe you Boro. You could be the cobbler just revealing, you could be a faking ordo, you could be the cobbler pretending to be a faking ordo. We others have no way to know it.

I hate to say this, but perhaps it's best to ignore him. Well, not ignore, but concentrate on perhaps lynching someone else.

Kath=diva
Agan=soulmate
Sally=innocent
Boro=a headache ;)

which leaves Lari, Shasta, and Gwath. Which of those is the best choice?

(And remember, Agan, I'm pretty sure Mith picked the roles, Phantom notwithstanding, at random, so it's very possible that Lari IS a critic. I'm not saying that she is, but don't discount it as a possibility.)

I need to get ready to leave for work. Sorry.

[Aganzir]

I remember that. I don't think I've ever suggested she hand picked them. :p

And I would be suspicious enough of Boro even without his cobbler reveal now. Come on, why would an innocent want to give cobbler hints? It seems rather impossible he could convince the critics without the necessary information at hand.

And all innocents should vote together. Kath and I won't be around at deadline which is enough for the wolves & cobbler to mess things up if possible.

[Boromir88]

We others have no way to know it.~Agan
You won't until I'm dead, that's correct. But very well. I had to make it look convincing.

Maybe I can stop with the silly ploys and be of a little more use.

[Lariren Shadow]

But do we really believe Kath and Boro? If Kath's only proof is her word and Boro saying he's the cobbler and spied on her then who do we believe? Yes, Kath could have known her role the whole time. Yes, Boro could be the cobbler. But what if the cobbler didn't spy on Kath? It seems more obvious that the cobbler would spy on Mac, the phantom, Fea, and Agan. From what I've seen of the game those seemed to be the most obvious choices. I'm not saying I'm the cobbler but to me that would be who I would spy on(well, and from what I've heard of previous games from Fea).

That being said, what if Boro is an ordo? I've heard of(again Fea) being an ordo and playing to the wolves. I mean, I seem to remember her saying something like that once. Would Boro do the same thing?

It seems the people are really quick to believe Kath as the diva and really quick to believe Boro as the cobbler. To me, that just doesn't seem like anything else that's happened in the game, with the exception of Fea's obvious guilt.

And wow, I mentioned her a lot in this post. Didn't really mean to do that.

[Aganzir]

Why do you think those are the cobbler's choices?

It's possible Boro is innocent, I just find it unlikely. It's also possible he's a critic (hmm I forgot that from my previous post where I listed what he could be). He could very well try to kill the real cobbler and make himself look good.

I believe Kath is the diva because she looked innocent even before her reveal & she revealed in a convincing way. I don't believe Boro is a baddie just because of his reveal - as a matter of fact I xed with it when writing a post why I thought he could be the cobbler.

[satansaloser2005]

Just a warning that I won't be posting much/often for the rest of the day. Not doing something that's conducive to sneaking. :(

[Boromir88]

--Boro

All I can say is today I would like not to be lynched. If I say I'm a critic, everyone (critics included) would want me lynched immediately, and then I'm really dead. If I said I was Walter I was thinking well maybe not everyone, because at this stage Walter counts in our vote tally and now we don't want Walter dead. Walter serves no more purpose to the critics, he only counts in our favour. So, I thought if I faked Walter, there would be a less likely push for my immediate lynching. Plus, I would hope to prove my own innocence, drag out the real Walter, and get us down to 3 unknowns.

I guess I've said all that, and repeating won't help. But what about the effort to save Mac yesterday? And then above everyone else Mac is killed at night? The critics saved him and then killed him, to either silence him, or make themselves look better.

Mac votes for sally, retracts and votes Gwath.
Lari votes Mac, retracts and votes Gollum
sally votes Gollum at the end.

[Boromir88]

It's possible Boro is innocent, I just find it unlikely. It's also possible he's a critic (hmm I forgot that from my previous post where I listed what he could be).~Agan
I'm not a critic. I will say I'm not walter either, but that will be harder to prove considering what I've posted and said.

But, I can prove I'm not a critic. Whether you believe it or not...well that will be up to you.

[Aganzir]

Hmm I think Mac voted for Gollum. He considered voting Gwath, though.

Go ahead and try, Boro.

[Lariren Shadow]

Why do you think those are the cobbler's choices?


To me, they seem the most likely to have been dreamed of. From seeing the whole Mac suspicions on the first day, knowing about the phantom previously as well as Fea, then those seemed like the best. Plus, not going to lie, if I were the cobbler, saw you listed with Fea at the bottom I would spy on you with the possibility that you were another wolf.

But I'm not the cobbler, those are only how I would see a cobbler voting.

[Aganzir]

Also, even though Walter counts as an innocent, he works for the critics. And the thing is, it doesn't actually matter if we get him or a critic today - the situation will be the same tomorrow. Therefore it might be better not to take unnecessary risks and kill whichever we can find instead of accidentally lynching an innocent.

[Gwathagor]

There seem to be a lot of claims to innocence floating about right now. The only one I'm really prepared to believe absolutely is Kath, and only because of her story of how she was chosen for the role. If I was revealing, I would do it like that.

Crossed with Aganzir, Lariren, Aganzir

[Aganzir]

Lari I would imagine the cobbler tries to spy on those who xe thinks are gifteds. It would be practically a wasted night if xe spied on a critic... at least for the critics. It could help the cobbler though.

Why does it looked like Mac was spied on on night 1? Back then it was a thing only the cobbler knew and if there was suspicion against him, the critics couldn't (possibly) know he had been (possibly) spied on.

edit: xed with Gwath

[Gwathagor]

Also, even though Walter counts as an innocent, he works for the critics. And the thing is, it doesn't actually matter if we get him or a critic today - the situation will be the same tomorrow.

Are you sure? I've been under the impression that if we didn't get a Critic toDay, it would all be over.

[Boromir88]

Hmm I think Mac voted for Gollum. He considered voting Gwath, though.~Agan
I don't know, I was going off sally's vote tally...
Mac-->Gwath at 12:20pm
retraction of Mac-->Sally at 11:51am

The day Fea was lynched, people were talking about our interactions and everything...ok, and I told you to go take a deeper look. And by the way when you quoted my "Be Prepared" thing, I was responding to Lari. I just wanted to reference my favorite song sung by an amazing villain (By the way, did you know there's a youtube video out there of Irons singing an Eric Clapton song? He's pretty good).

Ok, now back to the day Fea was lynched...I came out and Mac raised his arms up in the air and said it looked evil because it appeared I was trying to argue that Fea was never dreamed of thus Fea was innocent. Which I wasn't trying to do, no one gave me the chance to get to Day 2. Anyway, say I am a critic with Fea, and either we devised a plan to defend her or sacrifice her, (if I was a critic, I would throw her under the bus no problem...but that's besides the point).

Now, don't you think we would have had a clearly communicated plan to either defend or sacrifice? Look at the posts, I did some severe back-pedalling and echoed tp and Mac. Fea and I were not on the same page that day, thus I never had any communication with her, either directly or by a dead drop.

Edit: crossed with everyone since Agan's post I was responding to.

[Gwathagor]

No, yeah, you're right. I just counted, and we'd be in bad shape toMorrow, but not completely finished.

Oh, crossed with Boro

[Gwathagor]

(By the way, did you know there's a youtube video out there of Irons singing an Eric Clapton song? He's pretty good).



I am going to look that up right now.

[Boromir88]

I am going to look that up right now.~Gwath
I think it's Wonderful Tonight. I would link it, but from this computer youtube doesn't work well. It would take about 15 minutes to load.

[Aganzir]

And by the way when you quoted my "Be Prepared" thing, I was responding to Lari. I just wanted to reference my favorite song sung by an amazing villain (By the way, did you know there's a youtube video out there of Irons singing an Eric Clapton song? He's pretty good).
I know you were responding to her, but Be Prepared is so my thing that it certainly occurs to me that it was directed at me when I see it somewhere.
And ooh I didn't know. *goes to look it up* :p (<-- drooling smiley)

Now, don't you think we would have had a clearly communicated plan to either defend or sacrifice?
Yes, one could think so. However (call me stubborn) it doesn't prove anything, and it certainly doesn't mean you couldn't be the cobbler.

edit: xed with Gwath & Boro

[the phantom]

I started to try in my first post, began the first sentence with a D, the second with an I, and then realised I'd have to start a sentence with a V and couldn't think of how to do that without looking weird and gaining suspicion that way.
Heh heh... I noticed the "D" and "I" after my Day 1 read-through, and was quite disappointed not to find a "V". I remember thinking, "Ah, so it looks like Kath is the- no... wait... I guess she's not."

Well, that's nice to know.

[satansaloser2005]

Also, even though Walter counts as an innocent, he works for the critics. And the thing is, it doesn't actually matter if we get him or a critic today - the situation will be the same tomorrow. Therefore it might be better not to take unnecessary risks and kill whichever we can find instead of accidentally lynching an innocent.

Fair point. Still five players, but two critics and three ordos instead of two critics, two ordos, and Walter.

[Boromir88]

Yes, one could think so. However (call me stubborn) it doesn't prove anything, and it certainly doesn't mean you couldn't be the cobbler.~Agan
Wrong. If I was the cobbler and knew about Fea I'd throw her under the bus too. As a wolf she can't hope to survive to the bitter end, we all know this.

Also, if I was the lead evil-singer here, don't you think I could drum up some quacko suspicion case against anyone, and get them lynched. Don't believe I couldn't. If I really wanted to lynch someone I'd be after Walter now.

Look at the posts though, I have absolutely no idea who's what and where beyond I know you're the soulmate and I believe Kath (speaking of which I could probably refute and turn the vote against her if I was a critic, or walter). I don't know who's who here, and I thought if we could get our number down to 3, 2 being critics, that was our best shot we had at winning.

[the phantom]

Boro, old pal. Problem is, today is "lynch-a-baddie-or-die", and not "lynch-a-critic-or-die". Bumping off Walter is an extremely attractive prospect. So you must understand the danger you have put yourself in.

Not that you need to stay in danger. You've been handed a get-out-of-jail-free card. I'm surprised you aren't using it.

And don't expect me to help and hand it to you. No, no, I'm in Box 5 now. Watching the show.

[Gwathagor]

Also, if I was the lead evil-singer here, don't you think I could drum up some quacko suspicion case against anyone, and get them lynched. Don't believe I couldn't. If I really wanted to lynch someone I'd be after Walter now.


If you're trying to be intimidating, it's working.

[Boromir88]

tp it'll all make sense.

[Lariren Shadow]

Why does it looked like Mac was spied on on night 1? Back then it was a thing only the cobbler knew and if there was suspicion against him, the critics couldn't (possibly) know he had been (possibly) spied on.

Did I say he was spied on Night 1? If I did I didn't mean to. But spying on Mac after Day 1 would have been a good move for the cobbler because of all the Mac suspicion. Either xe gets an innocent or a wolf or a gifted. I mean, with all the suspicion going around on Day 1 it seemed like both the cobbler and the seer would have probably spied on Mac.

[Gwathagor]

I'm going to go read shasta's posts.

[the phantom]

tp it'll all make sense.
I know what you're up to, lad. I expect if you dodge the noose you'll make yet another move right at the deadline, yes?

It is merely that I'm thinking you might not be given the chance.

I do enjoy your singing.

[Aganzir]

The thing with werewolf is, you can never know when someone takes the one step further and says, "I can't be a baddie because baddies don't do this." And I'm too stubborn to be convinced even if all the evidence is against my opinion (what it isn't, at least in this case).

I have to vote in half an hour because my friends want to go watch Australia.

Lari you said his name first which made me think it was the order you thought they had been spied on. Maybe because I had this little thought that Mac could have been spied on first, too.

I agree it looks like tgwbs dreamt of him, though.

edit: xed with Gwath & phantom

[Boromir88]

I know what you're up to, lad. I expect if you dodge the noose you'll make yet another move right at the deadline, yes?
The only move I'm going to make is self-preservation.

Agan and look where stubbornness gets us? :p

[Aganzir]

I certainly hope Shasta is back for deadline & has time to read through these posts. Assuming he's innocent of course. If he's a baddie it doesn't matter.

Wow I just accidentally realised I can bold, italize & underline text with Ctrl+B/I/U, respectively, on the Downs too. :D

edit: xed with Boro. Yeah, I know. ;)

[Lariren Shadow]

I have to vote in half an hour because my friends want to go watch Australia.

Lari you said his name first which made me think it was the order you thought they had been spied on. Maybe because I had this little thought that Mac could have been spied on first, too.


Oh it was just a random order that I thought of.

Australia was...ok. It wasn't horrible and if you like Hugh Jackman and Hugh Jackman shirtless and dirty its good. There are about as many endings as ROTK though. So much better than Seven Pounds though.

Anyway, yeah, I should go back through the posts but I think I'm going to have to vote early too.

[Boromir88]

The only shot for preservation of myself...

++sally

If you really are innocent sally, my apologies. Critics have fallen before by simple preservation votes, lets hope.

[satansaloser2005]

The only shot for preservation of myself...

++sally

If you really are innocent sally, my apologies. Critics have fallen before by simple preservation votes, lets hope.

Well, I don't expect Boro to retract, but I'll implore Kath to do so. Lynching me ends the game. And by ends the game I mean we (the ordos) lose.

[Aganzir]

Anyway, yeah, I should go back through the posts but I think I'm going to have to vote early too.
How early?

Kath and I will be certainly away at deadline so there will be five of you around, three of whom baddies.

Ouch.

Heck.

If I (or another innocent) vote for someone else than sally, the baddies can lynch whoever they want or make a double lynch. At least I think so.

[satansaloser2005]

How early?

Kath and I will be certainly away at deadline so there will be five of you around, three of whom baddies.

Ouch.

Heck.

If I (or another innocent) vote for someone else than sally, the baddies can lynch whoever they want or make a double lynch. At least I think so.


I don't want to complicate things but I know that my lynching ends the game so....

++Boro

Unless Kath or Agan would prefer someone else.

[Boromir88]

I don't want to complicate things but I know that my lynching ends the game so....~sally
Ya well so does mine

[Aganzir]

I would prefer Boro! But if I vote him now, it's 2-2, with three votes to come, at least one of which (probably more) is that of a baddie, not to mention the possibility to retract.

And unless you both are baddies, we'd be doomed.

[the phantom]

Don't you love Weird Al?

White and Nerdy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw)

The Saga Begins (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-gi4Nt_xxg)

Polkarama! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCAt9WcCFbM)

[Boromir88]

I would prefer Boro!~Agan
And I would like it not to be me.

If there is a crapshoot you want to take on someone else, I will retract my sally vote.

[Aganzir]

But do we really believe Kath and Boro? If Kath's only proof is her word and Boro saying he's the cobbler and spied on her then who do we believe? Yes, Kath could have known her role the whole time. Yes, Boro could be the cobbler. But what if the cobbler didn't spy on Kath? It seems more obvious that the cobbler would spy on Mac, the phantom, Fea, and Agan. From what I've seen of the game those seemed to be the most obvious choices. I'm not saying I'm the cobbler but to me that would be who I would spy on(well, and from what I've heard of previous games from Fea).
I still think this is somewhat creepy.

edit: xed with phantom & Boro

[Lariren Shadow]

It would have been earlier but I found a computer.

Well, everyone sounds creepy at times.

So what's the vote count right now?

[Aganzir]

Sorry I simply have to go.

++Boro

For previous suspicions and general lack of trust, and the thought that I'm going to be angry if he's a baddie and manages to talk himself out of the situation.

I guess it's goodbye then unless the baddies come up with something weird again - or unless the game ends today.

Good luck bunnies.

I so hate being a known innocent.

[Gwathagor]

Ok. All eight of Shasta's posts.

Welcome, dear friends, to our contest
The first that this kingdom has ever seen
We gather today, for a vocal display....

Listen to me, don't I sound rich?
Loud, am I not, plus I've got perfect pitch!
Wouldn't you think I'm the girl, the girl who has everything?

Listen to this, clear as can be,
You'll know I'm it when I hit my high C!
.....

I'm a world-famous coloratura!
My vibrato is second to none!
I'm a walking display of bravura!
It's so clear, can't you hear, I'm the one!

And I suggest everyone who hasn't already go and read the Movies in Fifteen Minutes version of Phantom of the Opera. Do it.

In less banter-iffic news, I cannot believe this game started so soon! I'm quite impressed. I'm back in my dorm room now, having moved back in (the break's over) and back with internet, so expect to be seeing a lot more of me.

Especially you, Phantom and Boro.

Day 1 banter.

I almost have to vote you for this, Boro. State pride and all that. :p

*still reading, but thinking of voting for Nogrod based on what he's read so far*

He does not give any kind of reason for his suspicion of Nogrod, and doesn't even end up voting for him.

My world is dust now
And all I loved is dead.
Oh, let me trust now
In what my master said;
"There is a sweetness in every woe."
It must be so. It must be so.
The dawn will find me
Alone in some strange land
But men are kindly; they'll give a helping hand.
So said my master, and he must know;
It must be so, it must be so!

++TGWBS

Will explain on the morrow. Ciao!

Instead of Nogrod. No explanation.

I apologize for my inactivity toDay. It was the first day of classes of the new semester, and quite stressful. It is now four in the morning. I will post more when I wake up.

I would like to say, however, that apart from one thing that he said that made me raise an eyebrow, my vote for TGWBS was mostly a gut feeling.

And here's all the explanation we ever got for his tgwbs vote. I accept his RL-busy-ness excuse as legitimate, though. I've been in the same position myself.

Legate is never this under-the-radar unless he's hiding something.

++Legate

...

I don't know what to think at this point. Fea could be bluffing to save Aganzir tomorrow.

++Fea

This is unsurprising, given that Fea was the vote du jour. Pretty conventional. Also, this post, like most of his others, is incredibly brief - due to RL again?

So.

Based on what I've read so far, I think Gollum is the most suspicious. I'm probably losing my touch, though, based on my vote for our Seer earlier in this game.

Man, this DL sucks for me. I'm having to send this in the middle of class!

++Gollum

This reasoning sounds identical to the reasoning behind his early suspicion of Nogrod, and is similarly undescriptive. It would appear that Shasta is following the established voting trend, like he did with Fea.

I have my reasons. Most of them are RL. I have been trying to pay attention, though.

Which is why I'd like to state the following;

I'm seeing a Boro/Sally connection today (sorry, dear). Even though I've been horribly wrong all game, I'm willing to bet at least one, if not both, is/are critical. I'll post what I've seen momentarily. Mind you, this is today's interactions only, I haven't had time to read the entire thread.

Hopefully he will return before DL to explain what he means in the final paragraph. I'd also be interested to know to what extent he's been paying attention - is it enough that he would still be able to pull off a critic or cobbler role?

Overall:
As a rule, Shasta's posts have been very short and very thin on content. Ultimately, I don't think Shasta will ever get lynched because he's so unobtrusive (8 posts!) and Nogrod is not here. Silence-due-to-RL is really an ideal place for a wolf or critic to hide; has anybody suspected Shasta at all this game? I really think that he is as busy as he says, so I guess all we can do is hope he is innocent. I'm not prepared at this point to vote someone for being quiet.

[Boromir88]

and the thought that I'm going to be angry if he's a baddie and manages to talk himself out of the situation.~Agan
And when it's proven that I'm not, you'll be the one eating my shoes.

[Boromir88]

Gwath, I think the options are down to either sally or me. I hope you choose correctly (or that is if you choose me, I know it would be incorrect). But make a decision and stand by it.

[Lariren Shadow]

Kath--> Sally
Boro--> Boro
Boro--> -- Boro
Boro--> Sally
Sally--> Boro
Agan--> Boro

Boro 3, Sally 2

[Lariren Shadow]

I'm going to go with the Sally suspicions and vote

++Sally

Which makes it 3 Sally and 3 Boro

Is that right?

[Gwathagor]

Kath--> Sally
Boro--> Boro
Boro--> -- Boro
Boro--> Sally
Sally--> Boro
Agan--> Boro

Boro 3, Sally 2

Try again, Lariren.

[Gwathagor]

I don't want to complicate things but I know that my lynching ends the game so....


Are you sure? There are 7 of us. 2 are critics. 5 are non-critics. Say (for the sake of argument) that you die and you're innocent. The critics kill Aganzir, and we then have 2 critics and 3 non-critics. I realize that the cobbler might still be alive (unless you're the cobbler), but he/she doesn't necessarily know who the critics are. The odds wouldn't be good, but the game could still go the either way.

Don't you love Weird Al?


Doesn't everybody?

[Lariren Shadow]

Try again, Lariren.

Where am I missing it?

[Gwathagor]

Boro's retraction.

[Boromir88]

Aye it's now

3 sally
2 me

[Lariren Shadow]

Oh wow, I even made sure to not count that.:rolleyes:

So that makes it actually

Sally 3, Boro 2

[the phantom]

You brought this on yourself, Sally. You should have shown mercy to Gollum. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.

[satansaloser2005]

Bad Choice, bad choice please save me~!!!!!!!!

[Gwathagor]

++Boro

[the phantom]

Ha ha. Double.

[Lariren Shadow]

Vote is now tied at 3 Sally 3 Boro.

[Mithalwen]

Curtain falls.

[Boromir88]

Glad you did that I was about to retract.

[the phantom]

Time is ticking.

[satansaloser2005]

Good enough for me. *sigh* I just hope it turns out all right.

[Mithalwen]

hmm I suppose youwant to know what has happened..but sinceI told you I hated double lynched I might make you sweat til I have done ALL the o/s death arias becasue If I tell you you will never read them :(

[Mithalwen]

"Well" said Imrahil as he led his family down a secret passage from the chaos of the theatre to the safety of his palace.... shaking the plaster dust from his already greying hair. "we aren't going to do that again - I hope you are satisfied Ivriniel" he added as Swan Knights passed them going the other way to restore order to the Opera House Riot.

Ivriniel held her tongue but she knew the idea had been good.. just needed some tweaking ...

The Critics won!

Cast list:

Triumphant

Lariren , soprano, Ithilien CRITIC
Gwathagor (Gwathagorio), lyric tenor/spinto Sindar of Eriador CRITIC

Phyrric victors
Boromir 88 basso profundo, Rohan WALTER PLINGE
Feanor of the Peredhil CRITIC

You're not singing anymore:

Meneltarmacil - baritone err Nazgul from Minal Morgul ORDO
Nogrod - lyric tenor in the end, Old Forest ORDO
Ilya, mezzo-soprano, vales of Anduin. ORDO
TGWBS - bass, woodwose, SEER
Strongbow, Bowissimo of Lossarnach SOULMATE
Brinniel, mezzo-soprano, Harad ORDO
Cailineomer, trouser role, Forodwaith ORDO
Gollum the Great - bass-baritone ORDO
Macalaure (Barney Broadbottle), a Bree-lander from Staddle, Baritone ORDO
Sally, soprano ORDO
Kath contralto DIVA
Aganzir, Minas Tirith contralto SOULMATE
Shastanis Althreduin (tenor leggierio / lyric tenor) ORDO
You're not voting anymore.


Has his home to himself again
The Phantom (Opera Ghost)

I really didn't expect this to end today - you sneaky lot. I promise death scenes and awards - it may take a little while - sorry. In the meantime well done Critics and especially Walter. Please discuss on the admin thread.

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry, manic last few minutes as I wasn't on the computer. (A friend of mine was kind enough to submit a "PLEASE DON'T KILL ME" post, but I wasn't capable of making any arguments myself)


I'll make real game comments later but for now....


Poor fool he makes me laugh.


*dies, is dead, and regenerates after she is off of work to participate in post-game discussion* See you all then!

~~Sally~~

[Macalaure]

*headdesks*

[Mithalwen]

My major head desk moment was with Cailin... everyone saying"ooh well she was right about Gollum, but what she was REALLY right about was Gwath...:Merisu:

[Gollum the Great]

That was a great game, Mith. Only sorry I didn't participate as much I had wished. The baddies really played well, especially with that double-lynch on the last day. *Thumbs up*

phantom and TGWBS were awesome.