T-I-G LV Sing when you're winning

[Mithalwen]

It was that difficult time after the Yuletide celebrations when even the most amicable families, rendered irritable by a surfeit of food and too little exercise during the short , bitterly cold days, could fall into arguing. The royal house of Dol Amroth was no exception. Imrahil, delighted though he was that the peaceful days since the Return of the King permitted his large and expanding extended family to spend the feast time together at his palace but even a palace could feel small when filled with grandchildren and great warriors who had not quite found a way as satisfactory as hewing orc necks to vent their spleen.

Of course the argument was trivial they always are and Imrahil to his regret had started it claiming that the finest singers came from his own land. He had stated it as a matter of common knowledge and had expected not contradiction - at least not from his nephew, Faramir. They normally were in accord but now he was making the claim of the people of his own princedom, saying that renewed contact with the Elves of the Greenwood had enriched their Musicmaking. Then his son in law spoke of the great tradition of his own people and the minstrels of the Rohirrim. Imrahil had looked to his wife for support but she had made a hasty exit claiming an urgent need to check that Alphros was not teasing his younger cousins too much.

Then his sister, inevitably, had had her say. Even venerable lords of noble house have at times to defer to their elder siblings.

"The elves I am sure would claim that even in these latter days that they have singers finer than any among us mortals" said Ivriniel. "But there is one way to decide this. We will hold a contest and invite lands to send us their finest singers that the greatest of them all may be found"

"I think that is a bit extreme", said Imrahil,"and sounds expensive" he thought, besides where would we hold it? - too cold in the amphitheatre at this time of the year - and who would judge - he remembered with horror the controversy that had surrounded the "Gondor's got talent" contest last summer. It had been held in the lovely amphitheatre carved in to the cliff face below the walls of Dol Amroth but when it emerged that the popular vote vould not always change the opinion of the professional judges there had been and outcry and indeed scuffles, not to say near riots. All in all he was glad that no lives had actually been lost and there had been only superficial damage to the stone work.

Ivriniel replied "We can use the old assembly rooms in Rath Lindain. They were used for music plays in the past"

"They were till people started saying the building was haunted - I doubt you will get much of an audience"


"Nonsense Imrahil, fancy you listening to old wives' tales," (Imrahil felt it wise not to point out that his siaster could be so categorised herself). "And my friend, Mithalwen will adjudicate for she is in past of the Teleri who are great musicians and she has lived long in Middle Earth and dwellt amongst
Elves and Men and will see that all is done fairly. But the matter of the contest shall be decided amongst the singers for the judgement of their fellows is superior to any other and they shall vote among them each day til one only remains. They will be deemed the greatest singer in Middle Earth."

"But won't the Music critics mind that they are overlooked?", asked the Prince, grateful at least that his sister's hare-brained scheme should avoid a repeat of the fiasco of the previous contest .

"They may mind, but who cares? A critic is someone who thinks he knows the way but can't drive the cart. We don't need them".

There was no point in arguing with Ivriniel when she was in such a mood - Imrahil had learnt that in the nursery and reasoned with himself that if she were occupied with this project she would have less time for interfering in other things.

So it was arranged and 18 singers were sent to represent their lands - from the cities and regions of Gondor they came and from further afield - from the vales of Anduin and the Riddermark, and elf there came from Eriador and a MPD sufferer from icy Forodwaith. From the south there came a woman of Harad, and someone from the Morgul vale who looked as if he might have been a Nazgul. Strangest of all came a Wose of Druadan Forest. And they were ready to sing and decide who was the greatest of them all in the newly renames Opera House at Dol Amroth.

Last came the elf Mithalwen who was to adjudiacte. Her face was graver than ever as she sought the Lady Ivriniel.

"I am afraid my lady that your plans have gone awry - I have learnt that the Critics have decided to sabotage the competition in revenge for being excluded. By enchantment they have stolen the voices and identities of three of our contestants another they have corrupted to be their spy and abettor."

"What shall we do! We cannot cancel! Imrahil you must intervene!"

"No, sister dear this is of your making. You said that the singers must decide for themselves and that holds - they are best able to judge who are the imposters in their ranks - they merely have to identify the ones who ..err..'cannot drive the cart'. We shall close off the backstage area to all non participants save the lady Mithalwen. The singers will be comfortably accomodated in their dressing rooms. And we may listen and observe their discussions and hear them sing. But as to finding the critics they are on their own."

"Not quite alone" said Mithalwen, "two there are I deem who know each other so truly that no imposter may deceive them and they may seek to revenge an attack on the other, to another night will bring the truth of a stranger's identity. A fourth is so strong in self belief that no critic may harm them....and "..something made the elf pause.... "and I know no more" She looked around the strange old building.

"Very well.. if the show must go on ..let us be on with the show."

[Mithalwen]

Precis

You are the reps competing at the Dol Amroth Opera house to be Singer of Middle Earth.

I, Mithalwen am the contest adjudicator.

Due to recent voting scandals in the recent "Gondor's got Talent" contest. The contest will be decided by the participants - the judgement of one's peers being beyond reproach:Merisu:.

Each day the singers will debate and choose one of their number to leave the competition for good.

Unfortunately the music critics of Middle Earth, furious that thier opinions have been bypassed by the voting system have by enchantment stolen the identities and voices of three of the contestants.

The 3 Critics (wolves) - Critics do all the off stage slaughtering in the opera! - PM at night only Each night they will attack a singer who will be so traumatised that they will leave the contest (unless they are the Diva/Divo). They win when their number equal the number of non-wolves.

The critics will be helped by Walter Plinge (cobbler/spy) - a bitter and twisted singer who is spying for them. (Walter Plinge - the name is a theatre joke and should not be taken as gender identification - opera is a gender bending environment - if Walter gets referred to as he it is because it is a male name) Walter gets to spy on one other player each night and learns their role. This information is passed to the critic by a dead drop at the beiginning of the next night before Walter goes spying again. So the critics and Walter are ignorant of each other's identities. If Walter is "lynched" the wolves will obviously not receive the previous nights info.


On the other hand there are a, 2 singers (Soulmates) opera throws up some great partnerships and these two know each other so well that they cannot be decieved as to the other's identity. The may PM during day phases only.If one dies the other lives but may try to avenge them by taking out one other singer. . If they choose to strike at night they will conceal their identity. If during the day they will be revealed. Because this would be a crime passionnel not a reaction to direct attack on self their attack is effective against hapless ordo or gifted as well as Critic. NB As I said, opera is a mixed up world for gender and no restriction was placed on gender combination when drawing for these role.

b, one Singer-seer - a dreamer of dreamswho will learn the truth of a player's identity each night.
c, one Diva/divo ,A singer so great that they are impervious to the attacks of the critics (unless they become an overwhelming force at endgame) . May be "lynched" or killed in error by the avenging soulmate.


You get retractable votes and may double lynch though this isn't encourages. More than 2 and the moddess will flip coins or something.

Voting in bold on a new line preceded by ++

eg

++ Mithalwen

retractions

-- Mithalwen

++ Erenor


You may start talking and I extend the dead line to 6.30 pm tomorrow. Unless you are Nogrod who must vote at least half an hour earlier if he doesn't want to be modfired.

You think I am joking?



I will allow retractable votes but they should not be used frivolously - offenders will be modfired.

Contestants.

Sally, soprano
Lariren , soprano, Ithilien
Feanor of the Peredhil, Belfalas (mezzo-)soprano
Ilya, mezzo-soprano, vales of Anduin.
Brinniel, mezzo-soprano, Harad
Kath contralto
Aganzir, Minas Tirith contralto
Gwathagor (Gwathagorio), lyric tenor/spinto Sindar of Eriador
Shastanis Althreduin (tenor leggierio / lyric tenor)
Nogrod (typically indicisive - anywhere between lyric and buffo - or baritone )Old Forest
The Phantom (typically versatile and with great range)
Meneltarmacil - baritone err Nazgul from Minal Morgul
Strongbow, Bowissimo of Lossarnach
Macalaure (Barney Broadbottle), a Bree-lander from Staddle, Baritone
Gollum the Great - bass-baritone
TGWBS - bass, woodwose,
Boromir 88 basso profundo, Rohan
Cailineomer, trouser role, Forodwaith

The moddess reserves the right to a few suprises and resolve unanticipated situation as she sees fit. However they may affect the dynamics of the game but will not affect the mechanics of the game (unless something really odd happens and it usually does when I am around...in this case there will probably be a consultation process.

any questions PM or admin thread .

[Boromir88]

Ahoy Smithees! I was about to vote for Mac and then frivolously recant, but if I have read the modesses' wishes correctly that would get me mod-fireds.

I'm here at the moment, but my activity on this day will be light. I've got lots of unspecified chores to do.

P.S. this is the first time I've ever been able to sneak in the first post - I feel honored

[Mithalwen]

Indeed it would.....

Perhaps the Rohirric contestant would like to sing for us?

[Boromir88]

Ahh so it's going to be one of those operas, eh?

[Gwathagor]

Ahoy Smithees! I was about to vote for Mac and then frivolously recant, but if I have read the modesses' wishes correctly that would get me mod-fireds.


Wait, what? How would that get you mod-fired?

[Mithalwen]

Well I had so much fun last time...

Gwath .. flippant use of retractable votes annoys the moddess. It is in the admin thread and will shortly be pasted above.

[Boromir88]

Wait, what? How would that get you mod-fired?~Gwath
It's somewhere in the town charter that retractables are allowed, but if we do it frivolously, we are subject to mod-fire.

I like your sig by the way, it was rather ironic how things ended up playing out.

Well I had so much fun last time...~Mith
Yes those post-game (or I guess it would be vote) sessions were pleasant.

[Aganzir]

The first time I had the first post I got lynched immediately. Also, I voted Mac that time. So be careful Boro. :p

Mith you're making me laugh. :D Let's see if Nog shall obey you.

edit: xed with Boro. Ha I knew you'd like his sig!

[Boromir88]

Also, I voted Mac that time. So be careful Boro.~Agan
Oh the irony, check the sig too, there are puns everywhere. :D

Operas have puns, correct, or is that just plays? "The plays the thing," as some shakespearean character once said.

Agan, careful? Is that a German word? If it is I'm sorry, I don't know German. :p

[Gwathagor]

It's somewhere in the town charter that retractables are allowed, but if we do it frivolously, we are subject to mod-fire.


Oh.

[satansaloser2005]

Basically tick off the moddess and die.


*starts warming up*

[Boromir88]

Now, I must make my exit - stage right, but don't fear, I bet tp will be here - within 30 minutes of my departure to start where I've left off.

[satansaloser2005]

Now, I must make my exit - stage right, but don't fear, I bet tp will be here - within 30 minutes of my departure to start where I've left off.

You mean the Phantom of the opera will be here to drive us out of our minds?

[Mithalwen]

Sally, darling, youhave a wonderful understanding of the situation and a succinct mode of expression. :D

[Aganzir]

Yes I noticed your sig Boro. :D

German is a very beautiful language (I am one of the few people who think it's prettier than French. Kath likes it too if I remember correctly) and you should learn it.

Hi sally.

Have any of you seen the adaptation of The Phantom of the Opera in which he shows romantic interest in rats? :)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Hello, my darlings. I'm around.

Huggles to everybody.

[Nogrod]

Let's see if Nog shall obey you.
You have totally misunderstood that ruling dear contralto. It is of course that we divo's need to protect our voice a half an hour before going to bed and so she has made that ruling to protect my voice but at the same time letting me off the hook from indecent questionnaires as to why I'm voting that early throughout the game... :)

[Lariren Shadow]

Hello everyone, thought I'd comment as well.

[Aganzir]

Guilty
Boro & Mac. Boro's joke about voting Mac and retracting is clearly critic-on-critic. Then Boro is trying to take some distance by saying he doesn't know German.
Gwath. Last time he asked for an explanation concerning the rules, he was guilty himself.
Fea. Popping in without saying anything but that she's here.
Lariren. Popping in just to say she's here.

Innocent
Agan. Very sweet and sings well.
Nog is apparently the divo. ;)

Neither
sally who I just can't figure out.
and all the nobody people

[Nogrod]

Nice list Aganzir. I agree with it at this moment 100%. :p

Now this castle of Wartburg sure is worth seeing although I sense a gloomy fate for any heroic tenors singing in the praise of... well.. erm... Nessa? Oh my, how can Tolkien miss a goddess of love from his deities? Now this is outrageous! To whom do we sing then to brave our fortunes?

As a sidenote: funny you should start talking about the phantom even before he has entered the premises. :rolleyes:

*"critic-on-critic"... teehee*

[Brinniel]

This is just my brief check-in post. I don't have time to chat right now as there is somewhere I must be shortly. But I thought I should come in and sing a quick solo before taking off.

German is a very beautiful language (I am one of the few people who think it's prettier than French.
Indeed. People always told me it was a harsh and ugly language, but I feel quite differently. German's an awesome language and I fell in love with it after hearing it on a regular basis (along with Dutch). I sort of regret choosing French over German in high school...

I might end up voting early for a lot of this game, though that's not for sure. I just don't know how willing I am to get up before 11am (the deadline in my time zone) while on break. Except for toDay...I actually have an appointment at 11:30 tomorrow.

Okay, time to go...

[Kath]

*drumroll please*

I am here ... on time ... on Day 1! Clearly I run to Mith's schedule. :D I'll be around for a while, doesn't seem much to post about yet so I'll be lurking but there.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Nog is apparently the divo. ;)

Yes, I was going to accuse him of much the same.

I, of course, am guilty. Agan is never wrong about first day bored-posts.

I say we try to host a trip-lynch (against Moddess's wishes) for me, Lariren, Gwath, and Boro. Oh, and Mac, for guilt by association. Oh dear, that's not so triple, is it? Woe are my math skill[z]...

I say we kill the phantom early, to save all all the migraines we get from reading everything he's going to post in this game.

What would happen if we tried to implement a coup, and all voted for Mith?

[Mithalwen]

It would be a very short game, Fea.... now I must try and get this intro finished..

[Aganzir]

Oh my, how can Tolkien miss a goddess of love from his deities? Now this is outrageous! To whom do we sing then to brave our fortunes?
How about Nienna?

Indeed. People always told me it was a harsh and ugly language, but I feel quite differently. German's an awesome language and I fell in love with it after hearing it on a regular basis (along with Dutch). I sort of regret choosing French over German in high school...
That's what many people say. Clearly they haven't heard any songs by Orplid (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ME7XrPjQAP4&feature=related). German is definitely one of my favourite languages. I love its structure. The sentences are like works of art.

I, of course, am guilty. Agan is never wrong about first day bored-posts.
Ooh and we already got a confession! Fea you're giving up too easily.

I say we kill the phantom early, to save all all the migraines we get from reading everything he's going to post in this game.
Or to have something other than him to talk about. Besides he likes rats.

Mith would you really end the game if we all decided to vote for you? :Merisu:

[the phantom]

You mean the Phantom of the opera will be here to drive us out of our minds?
Only the ones that deserve it.
Besides he likes rats.
That's why I like you. ;)

[Mithalwen]

Nienna is a very operatic vala.

Agan.. don't tempt me .. I stil have the last bit of the intro to do and I am so cold - I do think it would be a shame. I suppose it could continue with another moderator. Does the song die with the singer? The game with the moddess? To philosophical for me...easier to say I might truly show you the meaning of being a prima donna and delete the thread in a fit of pique.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Ooh and we already got a confession! Fea you're giving up too easily.

Giving up? Of course not. It was a mere ploy.

You see, if I, as a wolf, confess my wolvery on the very first day, people will think, "She must not be a wolf. She wouldn't do that [again]."

I add 'again' because I've, of course, done the exact thing in the past.

Which would then prompt people to counter with, "Of course if Fea was a wolf she'd tell us. She knows we're just going to lynch her anyway. Why should she hide it when she's insane, and nobody listens to what she's saying anyway?"

And then people would pause, and they would say, "So obviously Fea both would and would not reveal her role as a wolf, if indeed she is a wolf, which she both is and, obviously, isn't, because she wouldn't want people to point out that she's done both - and neither - in the past (and future) so we should all just assume that it's the first day and she really doesn't care what anybody says, because none of it matters before the wolves get a kill in (apart from Seer dreams, which aren't going to be revealed yet for obvious reasons)."

And I shall be ignored.

[the guy who be short]

Wild man here.

Wild man say: Drive Fea, drive phantom out with sharp iron! Tricksy folk cause headache, even if innocent.

Wild man language connoisseur. Wild man like French.

[the phantom]

Here's what we know.

Gwath- He we be unjustly lynched Day 3.
Nogrod- He will help me catch the Critics.
Cailineomer- She/he will be killed without leaving a trace Night 4.
Fea- She's up to something. Just don't know what. Yet.
Lariren- Under my protection until Day 3.
Boro88- I'm not allowed to talk about him after last game.
Agan- A critic. But will flatter me to avoid my wrath.
Sally- Innocent, but will consistently lynch the wrong people.

[Meneltarmacil]

I'm here, though I don't have a whole lot to say. I wouldn't vote out the tricksy ones, devious though they may be. And our good phantom hasn't really said much yet, so there's nothing to go on for him either.

Edit: x'ed with the phantom

[the phantom]

Opera: Mithalwen's Village
Night 1, scene 1

*cue music*

Seer sings:
And do I dream again, for now I find
the phantom of the Barrow-Downs is there
And he is an Ordo!

Yeah. We all know that's what happened last night. And I know people will be mad that I'm assuming that. But really. Come on. You know it's true.

[Gwathagor]

And I know people will be mad that I'm assuming that. But really. Come on. You know it's true.

I wouldn't assume anything...

[Gwathagor]

Giving up? Of course not. It was a mere ploy.

You see, if I, as a wolf, confess my wolvery on the very first day, people will think, "She must not be a wolf. She wouldn't do that [again]."

I add 'again' because I've, of course, done the exact thing in the past.

Which would then prompt people to counter with, "Of course if Fea was a wolf she'd tell us. She knows we're just going to lynch her anyway. Why should she hide it when she's insane, and nobody listens to what she's saying anyway?"

And then people would pause, and they would say, "So obviously Fea both would and would not reveal her role as a wolf, if indeed she is a wolf, which she both is and, obviously, isn't, because she wouldn't want people to point out that she's done both - and neither - in the past (and future) so we should all just assume that it's the first day and she really doesn't care what anybody says, because none of it matters before the wolves get a kill in (apart from Seer dreams, which aren't going to be revealed yet for obvious reasons)."

And I shall be ignored.

Honestly, I think ignoring you is the best thing we can do, at least until you stop trying to confuse us and start actually playing.

[Aganzir]

That's why I like you. ;)
I could see that coming. I'm going to quote Ratigan from The Great Mouse Detective now: 'I am NOT A RAT!' and you're supposed to say, 'Of course you're not! You're a mouse! Yeah, a big mouse!'

The guy who be wild is rather amusing me.

And sorry phantom, I ain't flattering you in this game yet.

Hi Menel. What about voting you out so I can get all the baddie roles? :Merisu:

Don't worry Gwath, thus far phantom is the only one who assumes he was dreamt of. No one is going to take his innocence for granted even if the seer comes and tells he's innocent.

[the guy who be short]

Menel - Why not drive out tricksy headache-maker? Someone must die. We know not who is critic. Ergo, it best to kill tricksy folk. They as likely as anyone to be critic, but if not, at least townsfolk remove headache. Townsfolk then can think clear.

[Boromir88]

I add 'again' because I've, of course, done the exact thing in the past.~Fea
Well, I must admit the only reason I was so certain was not the confession, but because I seen your trickery on Night 1. That was Mith's last game, and lookie we have a confession in Mith's next game!

There are two drastic differences however. Last confession in Mith's game you incriminated Kuru with an "I love you." Here you have simultaneously incriminated everyone with a "hugs all around." Also, that time I was the seer, this time I'm not, and thus I deduce you made a fake confession.

What dazzling intellect, eh?

I say we try to host a trip-lynch (against Moddess's wishes) for me, Lariren, Gwath, and Boro. Oh, and Mac, for guilt by association. Oh dear, that's not so triple, is it? Woe are my math skill[z]...~Another one from Fea
Thinking about a triple-quaduplet lynch may get you mod-fired, and if I were in such a lynch you'd definitely be mod-fired. :p

Hmm - there's a plan, everyone tries really hard to get mod-fired

[Boromir88]

I'm going to quote Ratigan from The Great Mouse Detective now:~Agan
I wish Tim Curry voiced Professor Ratigan - he's my idol.

[Meneltarmacil]

Oh, hello Aganzir.

Come now, who between us would be the best baddie anyhow, a human from the White City or someone who can drive people to mass panic by screeching?

And as for the guy who be tarzan, I suggest he take a bath. But to be honest, yes, some of the crazies could stand to be more helpful. Talk of triple-lynching can be risky, even as a joke. Thankfully, we wraiths lack a sense of humor.

[Nogrod]

Nienna is a very operatic vala.I think so as well, but she isn't exactly the Venus-type... :confused:


Oh, sorry. I feel an aria coming...

Nun will ich aber heben an,
Vom Tannhäuser wollen wir singen,
Und was er Wunders hat getan,
Mit Frau Venussinnen.

Der Tannhäuser war ein Ritter gut,
Er wollt' gross Wunder schauen;
Da zog er in Frau Venus Berg,
Zu andern schönen Frauen.



Honestly, I think ignoring you is the best thing we can do, at least until you stop trying to confuse us and start actually playing.Says who? I mean the "actually playing" part... Are we now a bit too eager to show up our qualities as a decent player who has as his goal the elimination of the critics so that everyone could sing as bad as they wished? Have you Gwath started actually playing and what is your game?

Nice manouvres Fea! I did enjoy them. But then again that's the very same with everyone and everytime. The trick is to know when it's option b) rather than option a). And yes, one can get mad trying to come to a fair consideration about these...

Boro and Agan: hush you mediocrities! Talking about insignificant cartoons in the temple of real art!

[Mithalwen]

Since I have done my intro please read and remember you are contestants not townsfolk darlings.... and you may wish to bear in mind that I share Rossini's opinion of Wagner.. ;) (whoever he will be in several ages of ME) Hojotoho! However Nienna is a kind of Valkyrie - I guess...

[satansaloser2005]

Three people that I currently refuse to lynch no matter the circumstances:

Agan: for even mentioning Great Mouse Detective
Boro: for knowing the movie AND for mentioning Tim Curry (he SHOULD have done the voice, by the way, he's amazing!!)
Phantom: for getting Phantom (of the Opera) stuck in my head


In other news, I'm now off to work. When I get back I'm going to have to put in Phantom of the Opera (followed by various other musicals) and read posts.


And so....

"One day more til revolution, we will nip it in the bud. We'll be ready for these critics, they shall wet themselves with blood."

[the phantom]

Why not drive out tricksy headache-maker? Someone must die. We know not who is critic. Ergo, it best to kill tricksy folk. They as likely as anyone to be critic, but if not, at least townsfolk remove headache. Townsfolk then can think clear.
You think removing one of the clearest thinkers is the best way to foster clear thinking? You've been gone far too long, bud, your Werewolf logic is rusty. ;)
And sorry phantom, I ain't flattering you in this game yet.
Too bad. I was looking forward to it.

And good, I see Nog has arrived. He'll show the lot of you how to sing.

[Ilya]

Hi all. Sorry to come in so late.

Read through the posts thusfar and I have nothing substantive to add other than the fact that I am sufficiently scared of every single one of you.

So if anyone needs me I'll be playing medieval total war inside the prompt box, because, frankly, isn't anyone's time well spent reconquista-ing the reconquista? I'll be back once the Iberian peninsula is mine. :)

[Mithalwen]

Three people that I currently refuse to lynch no matter the circumstances:

Agan: for even mentioning Great Mouse Detective


Mouse detective? What about the Marvellous Mechanical Mouse Organ?

I need to leave you for a while, for a while... sing nicely while I am gone :D

[the phantom]

Is there anyone here named "Christine"?

Just... erm... wondering.

[the phantom]

Is that an exact quote in the siggy, Sally?

I think it is!

I'd better watch what I say when I IM in the future. Sally can't keep things to herself. :D

[satansaloser2005]

Is there anyone here named "Christine"?

Just... erm... wondering.



I can if you want me to be. :Merisu:


(Sorry, it just....I couldn't resist....I'm going back to my rabbit hole now, k?)


EDIT: X'd with Phantom. Heh, I told you to go look at my sig. It was just too funny to resist. :D

[Gwathagor]

T

And so....

"One day more til revolution, we will nip it in the bud. We'll be ready for these critics, they shall wet themselves with blood."

:)



So if anyone needs me I'll be playing medieval total war inside the prompt box, because, frankly, isn't anyone's time well spent reconquista-ing the reconquista? I'll be back once the Iberian peninsula is mine.

Remember: the reconquista is important because your troops will later apply the strategies, skills, and crusading mindset acquired during that campaign to the conquest of Latin America. Oh, I forgot you were in the Middle Ages, never mind.


Says who?


Why, Napoleon, of course, in his Art of Werewolf (Maxim 13, if you're curious). :rolleyes:

I said it. If the purpose of a particular post is to perplex upon inspection, I don't see the point in trying to analyze it. Why give the poster that satisfaction? This is my opinion.


Are we now a bit too eager to show up our qualities as a decent player who has as his goal the elimination of the critics so that everyone could sing as bad as they wished?


An ironic question, and one which does not follow very closely from the post in view. Nogrod attempts to make himself look good by accusing me of trying to make myself look good. Nice try.


Have you Gwath started actually playing and what is your game?


If I had a "game" (I suppose you mean "strategy"), I certainly wouldn't tell you about it.

[Nogrod]

I'll be back once the Iberian peninsula is mine. Those cavalry units on the northern mountains may prove to be a hindrance though... :)


Talk of triple-lynching can be risky, even as a joke. Thankfully, we wraiths lack a sense of humor.Making the point that a triple lynch (anyway we only can make a double-lynch) might be risky... hmmm... to whom at this point? For the critics themselves I think... one lynch and we probably end up with a fine and innocent singer toDay; a double lynch... the odds to bring down a critic get better... or at least the critics should have more to fear at this early hour if that option is open.

Anyway: confessedly lacking a sense of humour? A well known trait of music-critics over the whole wide world. Artists have fun, critics are grumpy, everyone knows that. :D



Are we now a bit too eager to show up our qualities as a decent player who has as his goal the elimination of the critics so that everyone could sing as bad as they wished?
An ironic question, and one which does not follow very closely from the post in view. Nogrod attempts to make himself look good by accusing me of trying to make myself look good. Nice try.Accusing? Aren't we a wee bit touchy now?
*not an accusation, a question...* :p

[Nogrod]

Going to sleep now... you know the voice needs some rest.

But I can't resist the fitting ending for my part at this time, noticing Mith's comments on backing Rossini.

So let me end up with a part from "Guillaume Tell".

Sois immobile, et vers la terre
Incline un genou suppliant.
Invoque Dieu: c'est lui seul, mon enfant,
Qui dans le fils peut épargner le père.

Demeure ainsi, mais regarde les cieux.
En menaçant une tête si chère,
Cette pointe d'acier peut effrayer tes yeux.
Le moindre mouvement... Jemmy, songe à ta mère!
Elle nous attend tous les deux!


So let's be careful out there that we don't get a twisted wagon rolling with innocent eyes looking at the arrow of death to the eye.

[the guy who be short]

And as for the guy who be tarzan, I suggest he take a bath. Wild Man may smell, but Wild Man free. Wild Man not child. Wild Man not take bath.

You think removing one of the clearest thinkers is the best way to foster clear thinking? You've been gone far too long, bud, your Werewolf logic is rusty.When one man too wise, he no use. Nobody understand too wise man...

Ilya - Total War good practice. Hunt the gorgûn!

[satansaloser2005]

Wild Man may smell, but Wild Man free. Wild Man not child. Wild Man not take bath.

When one man too wise, he no use. Nobody understand too wise man...

Ilya - Total War good practice. Hunt the gorgûn!


The English major in me wants to kill you. *resists the urge*


Heh, I still haven't gone to work. Go me. :smokin:

[Gwathagor]

Accusing? Aren't we a wee bit touchy now?
*not an accusation, a question...* :p

The two are by no means mutually exclusive. A question can be used to state one's opinion quite as easily as any other form of sentence, and your question had distinct accusatory overtones. Whether or not I was being touchy is a matter of perspective, however, and you can't please everyone.

[the guy who be short]

The English major in me wants to kill you. *resists the urge*Syntax not prerequisite for semantics!

Wild Man feel verbiose.

[the phantom]

I can if you want me to be.
Ah, good. Then the Angel of Music shall take you under his wing, and your voice will soon be the best at this contest. :)

And TGWBS needs to stay alive. :D Don't kill him early, Wolves! For even you must appreciate a laugh now and again.

Hmm... This is the first game where I've actually been scared of the Cobbler.

He'll dream of the gifteds and tell the Werewolves. He has true power. He's not just a suicidal distraction.

I'm currently thinking through things he could do. There are some interesting possibilities. I've thought of one devious ploy he could run, but I'd rather wait and look for it as opposed to announce it ahead of time. Anyway... just thinking out loud here.

[Boromir88]

I see tgwbs, and it just strikes up images of our double suicidal lynching...that was good - I can't believe that worked. :rolleyes: Well, I guess all is fair in love and opera.

Edit: x'ed with tp.

[Boromir88]

He'll dream of the gifteds and tell the Werewolves. He has true power. He's not just a suicidal distraction.~tp
I always say get rid of the cobbler as soon as we can, and everyone always disagrees. Even just as a distraction, the cobbler serves no good use, period.

[the phantom]

I always say get rid of the cobbler as soon as we can, and everyone always disagrees. Even just as a distraction, the cobbler serves no good use, period.
I would usually disagree. In most games I urge that we ignore the Cobbler early, as he stands a good chance of dying anyway (via lynch or WW kill). I always concern myself with the Wolves.

But in this game, I would totally be willing to gun for the Cobbler. He's dangerous.

So remember that, Seer! It may not be a great idea to try and look like a Cobbler to survive at night. I know other Seers have tried that before, but in this game it'll get you lynched.

*clears throat*

Dear Mithy just a brief reminder
My salary has not been paid
;)

[Boromir88]

I know other Seers have tried that before, but in this game it'll get you lynched.~tp
Retractables add a different dimension and serve as an extra-protection from making boneheaded lynches such as the seer. If the seer likes to be in the danger zone of suspicion he/she has more time before deciding whether there is too much suspicion and when's a good time to reveal. Of course, the seer will be gone the next night, but retractables should serve as extra protection.

[Aganzir]

I wish Tim Curry voiced Professor Ratigan - he's my idol.
He actually even looks a bit like Ratigan. ;)
I love Jeremy Irons. I'm so happy he voiced Scar.

Come now, who between us would be the best baddie anyhow, a human from the White City or someone who can drive people to mass panic by screeching?
See my avatar. He's my pet and he sings better than you. ;)

Boro and Agan: hush you mediocrities! Talking about insignificant cartoons in the temple of real art!
Insignificant cartoons?? I'll tell you who's insignificant here! Disney movies are great works of art!

Okay this is where I got before I was interrupted.

Too bad. I was looking forward to it.
You should play more often. One of these games I'll actually be a wolf and you're sorry because you aren't playing.

I'd better watch what I say when I IM in the future. Sally can't keep things to herself.
Heh you are not the only one. ;)

Anyway I had some actual things to say but now I'm too tired to think and guess I'll just go to sleep. You'll hear more from me tomorrow.

edit: xed with Boro

[Boromir88]

Another thought, it might be a good idea for the diva/o to just reveal now? I mean he/she can't be killed by the critics - right? We don't want to lynch this person, and this would give us one person we won't have to worry about.

I love Jeremy Irons. I'm so happy he voiced Scar.~Agan
I don't think anyone can replace Jeremy Irons as the supreme overlord of villain voices. :D

[Meneltarmacil]

I agree with the phantom about the cobbler being dangerous. We really need to get him early before he dreams of one of us. Of course, it is also possible that the phantom himself is the cobbler trying to divert attention off of himself by his aggressive stance, so I don't think we can rule anyone out there.

[Boromir88]

Oh wait, scratch that diva/o idea, they could serve as protection during the night phase.

[Aganzir]

Boro I'm not sure if that's a good idea. Yes we'd have a known innocent and the seer wouldn't waste their dream, but there's also a chance the cobbler wastes a dream on the diva/divo, or that the wolves attack them. Though I think it's pretty much up to the diva/o to decide which option is more useful for them.

edit: xed with Boro

[Boromir88]

edit: xed with Boro
Now would that make your last post "virtually useless?" :p

At this stage, I'm pretty much just posting my running thoughts, just as another way to talk to myself.

[Strongbow]

I agree with the phantom about the cobbler being dangerous. We really need to get him early before he dreams of one of us. Of course, it is also possible that the phantom himself is the cobbler trying to divert attention off of himself by his aggressive stance, so I don't think we can rule anyone out there.

This early? I'm not so certain. I don't think that the phantom would play that...strangely right out of the gate.

Cobbler-sneak is a problem, but I don't think that the cobbler-sneak is a Day 1 problem. I think it's a Day 2 problem. And then we kill them.

[Aganzir]

Now would that make your last post "virtually useless?" :p
Nope, I can appear clever by thinking the same way with you.

Bowie when phantom is in question nothing should be ruled out. He can do anything, however little sense it seems to make at first.

Now I'm really going to sleep.

[the phantom]

Ganzy, speaking of IM... have I never added you to my list?! I will do so straight away when I get home tonight.

Boro- I know you liked that game yesterday! :D

And yes, Scar was super awesome cool.

[Boromir88]

Cobbler-sneak is a problem, but I don't think that the cobbler-sneak is a Day 1 problem. I think it's a Day 2 problem. And then we kill them.~Strongbow
I'm not quite sure the logic in that. What makes the cobbler a bigger problem on Day 2 than Day 1?

I guess, it would be good to stay wolf-focused, because by the Cobbler's very nature he/she will reveal in one way or another - either by the posts or directly. But, I think this is a different threat, it's like a seer for the wolf team now.

[Boromir88]

Boro- I know you liked that game yesterday! :D~tp
Oh definitely, but overall I'm an embarassed Big 10 fan; 1 - 6 in the bowls! Agh, what national embarassment. Hey, I'm not too down, my teams recruited a top QB that supposedly fits into Rich's system.

I told myself I would not engage in football gossip this time, but it's so hard! I don't know if some understand how hard that can be, I know Mith certainly doesn't. :p

[the guy who be short]

Wild Man agree - divo be hidden!

Re: Cobbler. He great danger indeed. Quicker xe (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Xe-%28pronoun%29) die, better. If we kill critic, still two more critic. If we kill cobbler, no more cobbler.

Yet, cobbler perhaps more hard to find. While cobbler hard to find, perhaps critic kill xim in night. Ergo, Wild Man agree with Strongbow - try for critic today, cobbler tomorrow.

Wild Man feel phantom speaks logic. But phantom indeed tricksy. Menel correct, perhaps phantom cobbler. But Wild Man believe not.

[the phantom]

Of course, it is also possible that the phantom himself is the cobbler trying to divert attention off of himself by his aggressive stance
Of course I'm the Cobbler. Mwu ha ha!

Oops. I was supposed to keep that a secret. Sorry Wolves. I blew it for you. I told Mith she shouldn't give me an important role. I'm not very good at this game.

As far as Divo/Diva behavior, I won't comment for now. I suspect there are a couple tactics that are certain to be used. We'll see if they work.

[Gwathagor]

I love Jeremy Irons. I'm so happy he voiced Scar.



Jeremy Irons is really really awesome.

[Gwathagor]

I don't think anyone can replace Jeremy Irons as the supreme overlord of villain voices. :D

Alan Rickman can.

[Gwathagor]

Leaving Mr. Irons for the present...

I'm not so certain. I don't think that the phantom would play that...strangely right out of the gate.


Have you played with the phantom much?

[the phantom]

Yes, the Big Ten did not fare well, did they? It's okay. There are ups and downs. And things don't always go as they should. I mean honestly- the Big XII North went undefeated, while not a single team from the South has played up to potential thus far. :rolleyes:

Due to the extreme power of the Cobbler, and the fact that there is a villager who is immune to the Wolf-kill, I would say that the Wolves will not be free to follow a strict kill-the-Seer policy. There will be conversations like this-

Wolf 1: I think person A is the most likely Seer.
Wolf 2: I agree, but I also suspect they could be the Cobbler.
Wolf 3: Yeah, we can't risk that. How about going with our second Seer suspect?
Wolf 1: But we said that they could very well be the Divo/Diva daring us to kill them.
Wolf 2: So what, go with option 3?

Keep this in mind as you attempt to set yourself up to be killed at Night.

(I'm assuming all of you Ordos are trying to die at Night to protect the gifteds.)

[Gwathagor]

What have we warned you about assuming?

[the phantom]

Alan Rickman can.
Alan Rickman.... We mere mortals don't deserve to watch his films.

*chuckles to self, thinking about Galaxy Quest*

[Strongbow]

Leaving Mr. Irons for the present...



Have you played with the phantom much?

Never, but I've read his games. Bunches of them. I could count, but it's in the neighborhood of ten.

I am a sad, sad little fish. (Fish?)

But maybe I've a glimmer of potential.

I'm thorough sometimes.

[the phantom]

What have we warned you about assuming?
Time and time again the majority of my assumptions prove to be accurate.

When that stops happening, I'll stop assuming.

[the phantom]

Where is she?
You mean Carlotta?
I mean Miss Fea- where is she?
Well how should we know?
I want an answer!

[the phantom]

Never, but I've read his games. Bunches of them. I could count, but it's in the neighborhood of ten.
Wow. I'm impressed. You've done homework.

Excellent. That's one more person that will understand references to old villages.

So yeah... I'm definitely not voting for Strongbow today. I'm pleased with him right now.

[Ilya]

Load Screen Wisdom:
No enterprise is more likely to succeed than one concealed from the enemy until it is ripe for execution. And many strokes, though with a little axe, hew down and fell the hardest-timbered oak.

Now, I will make a flippant list of people who've posted recently, because I am master of France and Spain, and it pleases me to do so.

Agan: Let the world tremble as it senses all you are about to accomplish.
Boro: There's daggers in men's smiles.
Phantom: He doth nothing but talk of his horse.
Menel: One should never risk one's whole fortune unless supported by one's entire forces.
Wild Man: ...the King of Rome, and above grammar.
Bowie: He who knows not how to dissimulate, can not reign.
Gwath: Alan Rickman + Jeremy Irons = Die Hard.

I'm glad TP is casting his own opera as the game goes, and the wolf-exchange he posted was indeed interesting, but the Divo/a doesn't get any special privileges other than immunity to night kills, right? It's the Soulmates who I kinda think would have more visible behavior on the thread, and the wolves wouldn't necessarily want to kill one of them because then the other could take revenge. So the only gifted it makes any sense to go after is the seer, and as cobbler is so powerful it feels like the safe bet would be to avoid people with gifted vibes and go after the most ordinary of ordos. So, rooting out the other gifted and talking about them feels like it's kinida off-target right now. I'm thinking out loud here and I don't know where to go with any of it, and what I'm saying doesn't make sense so...yeah.

Can somebody please tell me where I'm off and plot a firm course for the intersection of logic and sanity while I take over the British Isles?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Alan Rickman can.

Christopher Lee is possibly my all time favorite villain.


Where is she?
You mean Carlotta?
I mean Miss Fea- where is she?
Well how should we know?
I want an answer!

(The Internet hands the note to PHANTOM, who reads it)

Do not fear for Miss Fea.
The Professor of Biology
had her under his wing.
And now she's back again.

Of course whether I'm back or not, it remains a Day One, which means there's absolutely no factual evidence for the village to go on. There may be hypotheses, but there can be no legitimate testing right now, only planning and identification of variables, and so answers, while they may be fair assumptions, cannot be seen as legitimate theories, and certainly not as laws.

/Scientific Method

[the phantom]

It's the Soulmates who I kinda think would have more visible behavior on the thread, and the wolves wouldn't necessarily want to kill one of them because then the other could take revenge.
Nah.

If I was a Critic and had an inkling who the Lovers were, they'd be dead. Immediately. At this point in the game odds are if they take revenge they will slay an Innocent. Leave them alive, however, and the Critics are in a heap of trouble. Say there are seven singers left in the competition- two critics, the lovers, and three Ordos.

The Lovers reveal. Suddenly the three Ordos each have a 50% shot at voting for a Werewolf. And if the Wolves kill one of the Lovers at Night, odds are that the revenge slaying will be accurate.

So yeah- the Critics want the Lovers gone right away. They are dangerous to them late in the game.

[Lariren Shadow]

So, after reading all of these posts and after having way to much of a silent laugh to myself today in History of England when my professor mentioned the Barrow-Downs, I have come to the conclusion that this a seriously more active game than the one that I played before.

So half of what I was going to say is stupid. Pretty much saying that the diva/o should keep quiet and they are in the worst place playerwise if they wolves try to kill them and they live. Then the wolves know who they are and so on.

I do agree with the phantom about the cobbler being dangerous. It does seem like they have a lot of power. Though I'm not sure if I trust that much of what he says because of all of the things I've heard about him, even from just this game. But if I'm going by that logic, I should trust none of you.

On the plus side TGWBS is very entertaining and should really not be lynched.

[Strongbow]

I propose that the role of "divo" be called Devo instead.

[Brinniel]

I have come to the conclusion that this a seriously more active game than the one that I played before.
Yes, we are a noisy bunch. Just check out Fea's last game and see how loud we got. But that's what makes it so much fun. :D

Speaking of noise, I'm being way too quiet. I've actually been around for awhile but was distracted. Then I got a headache and didn't feel like posting. At the moment there's really not much I have to say...except that you all continue to amuse me. :p

It doesn't seem any serious suspecting has gone on yet...then again it's still fairly early for Day One. But I probably should get down to business. While I won't have to vote until shortly before deadline, I won't exactly have a lot of time to analyse my choices. So I'll be sure to take a closer look at everyone at some point tonight. But not now. It's too early. Because I'm a night owl...which means I'll be more focused in a few hours.

So before I go, let me part with a random song.

<Insert opera music>

Belle nuit, ô nuit d'amour,
Souris à nos ivresses,
Nuit plus douce que le jour,
Ô belle nuit d'amour!
Ah! Souris à nos ivresses!
Nuit d'amour, ô nuit d'amour!

<End opera music>

[Macalaure]

Oh, the game has started already... for some reason I thought it would start tomorrow. :o

Ahoy Smithees! I was about to vote for Mac and then frivolously recant, but if I have read the modesses' wishes correctly that would get me mod-fireds.
I cannot see any reason why you would want to do that. :p

Agan, careful? Is that a German word? If it is I'm sorry, I don't know German.

Definitely not German. Never heard it before. ;)


I'm tempted to write a whole paragraph about our roles-setup, and what individuals are most dangerous to us / the critics - especially since I disagree with half of what has been said about it so far - but I decided to let the critics figure it out themselves.

So, yeah... all I can add is that I have reason to believe that the phantom is not evil. I also think I can trust Ilya.

I don't trust Menel and Rikae told me to that Aganzir is maybe not trustworthy.

[Meneltarmacil]

So you don't trust me, Mac? Understandable, considering it's Day One and the bad guys are tough to find, but is there anything in particular that you found odd?

Oh, and don't suspect me based on the fact that I'm a Nazgul. I just happened to find this ring in a Cracker Jack box. How was I supposed to know it was one of the Nine?

[Strongbow]

So yeah... I'm definitely not voting for Strongbow today. I'm pleased with him right now.

I'm a bit torn...should I be flattered or squeamish?

[Macalaure]

Due to the earliness of the Day, I have nothing useful to say, and due to the lateness of the day, I have nothing funny to say...

...and now, just the minute I wrote that, Rikae asked me in all earnesty whether I think the phantom is drunk. :D

Anyway, a quick list of all the people who have posted so far, and then off to bed:

Boro - probably innocent.
Gwath - can't tell, slightly leaning innocent.
Aganzir - I'm not alarmed by her, but Rikae is, so I'm wary.
Sally - hasn't warmed up yet, leaning innocent.
Fea - another one that feels innocent-ish.
Nogrod - feels innocent, which is alarming. :p
Lari - newbie, therefore auto-assumed-innocent for first few days.
Brinniel - can't tell, but Rikae told me to be careful about her.
Kath - is here... and gone again.
phantom - very probably innocent.
tgwbw - amusing, but maybe more critical about our performances than about his syntax.
Menel - too careful and thus suspicious.
Ilya - probably innocent.
Strongbow - haven't played with him yet and I don't yet know what to make of him.

[Boromir88]

I cannot see any reason why you would want to do that. :p~Mac
I wouldn't - not until at least you play the vital part in lynching two critics, yet continue to survive day after day, whilst we can't ever find the 3rd. :p

Though I'm not sure if I trust that much of what he says because of all of the things I've heard about him, even from just this game. But if I'm going by that logic, I should trust none of you.~Lariren
Resist the urge all you want, you'll only be delaying the inevitable end. That end being, when Day 3 comes and we're dragging our feet for ideas, because we've been spending all our energy in trying to ignore tp, we will start begging him to give us a plan. Luckily, tp doesn't hold grudges and he will certainly rub it in our faces that we caved in, but probably will ablige.

It's a physical and mental impossibility to ignore tp, he makes it this way. We can accept that early on, and work together for ideas, or we could waste our enery trying to block out his tune, when deep down you know you're listening to every note he sings and break down by Day 3? Which would you have?

[Boromir88]

This post is solely because I would like to go to bed with the pleasant knowledge that at this point in the opera, I am one audition ahead of tp - and this will most probably be the last point in which I have a lead.

[the phantom]

I'm a bit torn...should I be flattered or squeamish?
Flattered for now.
Though I'm not sure if I trust that much of what he says because of all of the things I've heard about him
What, have you heard something other than, "Phantom is a jolly nice chap who is always honest, though painfully simple and slow-witted"?

You haven't been listening to Fea, have you? She tends to stretch the truth a bit.
Rikae asked me in all earnesty whether I think the phantom is drunk.
Ha ha! :D

What gave her that impression?

*puts down wine bottle*

But about your guesses, Mac- nice to see them. I'd say they are as good as we can make at present time. But allow me to say, there is one thing that you appear to be right about, but the reasoning that I believe led you to your conclusion wasn't quite right. In other words, if I see a Cobbler, and think he's a Werewolf, and then call him "evil", I'm right, aren't I? But not quite right. If you get my drift.

*hic*

Nope. Not drunk at all.

And Boro- what are you hoping to see Thursday? What sort of opera will OU and FU perform? A thrilling tale with a surprise ending? Will it feature huge stars singing brilliant arias? Or will it be a dud, and leave the audience booing half the cast?

EDIT: x-post Boro

[the phantom]

It's a physical and mental impossibility to ignore tp, he makes it this way. We can accept that early on, and work together for ideas, or we could waste our enery trying to block out his tune, when deep down you know you're listening to every note he sings and break down by Day 3?
Sing once again with me, our strange duet
My power over you, grows stronger yet

;)

[Lariren Shadow]

Boro~We can accept that early on, and work together for ideas, or we could waste our enery trying to block out his tune, when deep down you know you're listening to every note he sings and break down by Day 3? Which would you have?

Probably that option. It seems like a good plan. Because he would probably have a good plan and, as I said, there is a possibility that I will lay awake tonight in fear of him.

[Gollum the Great]

3 pages already? I haven't even read one!

Well, this is my daily post. Enjoy, everyone.

Evil:

Maybe Bowie... I just have this horrible suspicion of him. Nothing definite, though.

Innocent:

I'm pretty sure Gollum is. A wonderful atmosphere of peace and friendliness surrounds him!

[the phantom]

there is a possibility that I will lay awake tonight in fear of him
Don't worry. I won't kill you tonight. I'd like to see how you sing first. Have fun for a couple days. Then I might come after you. ;)

No, no, I'm not saying I'm a Werewolf. But that doesn't mean I won't choose the kills. Through the careful planting of ideas and the use of clever manipulation, I shall determine who the Critics select at Night.

*whispers to Werewolves* You want to kill Nog, you want to kill Nog....

[Lariren Shadow]

What, have you heard something other than, "Phantom is a jolly nice chap who is always honest, though painfully simple and slow-witted"?

More like "witty". That would be a better assessment.

[the phantom]

All right, just to make sure I have my time correct, the deadline is in slightly less than 12 hours?
More like "witty".
Fea told you I was witty?

Aw. You're the best, Fea. Praise from the praiseworthy and all that. ;)
3 pages already?
Oh, I've seen much worse.

Anyway, I'm going to bed. I want to be able to get up early enough to read all the new posts, comment on the posts, make a couple remarks I've been sitting on, and cast a vote that is not rushed.

[satansaloser2005]

All right, just to make sure I have my time correct, the deadline is in slightly less than 12 hours?

Anyway, I'm going to bed. I want to be able to get up early enough to read all the new posts, comment on the posts, make a couple remarks I've been sitting on, and cast a vote that is not rushed.

Yup. It's at noon for us, unless I'm mistaken.


Oh, and my work schedule changed as of today (well, yesterday now, but whatever) so after the deadline toDay I'll either have to vote before I go to bed or right before I go to work, because I'm not a morning person. Hopefully the latter will be the case, although if it is it'll probably just be a quick vote post.

For now, though, I'm out. Have some writing to do before I head to bed. Or, if you prefer....

Nighttime sharpens, heightens each sensation
Darkness wakes and stirs imagination
Silently the senses abandon their defenses
Helpless to resist the notes I write
For I compose the music of the night

Slowly, gently, night unfurls its splendour
Grasp it, sense it, tremulous and tender
Turn your face away from the garish light of day
Turn your thoughts away from cold, unfeeling light
And listen to the music of the night

Good night, dearies! :)


EDIT: Oh, and Phantom, I hope you're happy. I have that musical stuck in my head SO bad right now. *is loving it though*

[Brinniel]

Why would tp be happy, Sally? You just stole his big solo. :p

[satansaloser2005]

Why would tp be happy, Sally? You just stole his big solo. :p

Heh and that's why I'm happy. :p

[Brinniel]

Some thoughts...

Sally: Has said nothing but banter so far.
Lariren : Intrigues me. I always love new additions to WW and wouldn't dare lynch her for the first few Days.
Fea: Only four posts and her What Would Fea Do paragraph has given me a headache. But no need to dwell on that...I already know she's unpredictable and would expect anything from her.
Ilya: Not a whole lot from her yet, but she amuses me.
Kath: Only one post so far, but I'll be watching her. I know how sneaky she can be.
Aganzir: I really have no reason to suspect her....but then again, I wouldn't want to lose my status as her arch-enemy, so maybe I'll vote for her just because..
Gwathagor : Short one-liner posts, a tad abrasive. But I suppose that's no reason to suspect him since it seems to be his style.
Shasta: Has yet to show up.
Nogrod : Already starting to go at it with Gwath. Typical. :p About the whole double lynch thing...I think at this point it's more likely we would end up lynching two innocents than any critics.
The Phantom : Could be just about anything, as always. I wouldn't mind seeing him go early in the game simply because he can prove as a distraction. But I'd like to keep him around for at least another Day....just for entertainment value.
Menel: I feel pretty good about what he's said so far.
Strongbow: Not much to say about him, though I disagree with his first post.
Mac: Not sure yet. Might be innocent, but I'm pretty sure Rikae is a wolf. ;)
Gollum: Only one post so far. I'd like to see some further explanation behind his suspicion of Bowie though.
tgwbs: Is an entertaining addition to our cast. It's been a long time since I've WWed with him and I have no desire to lynch him anytime soon.
Boromir: Doesn't seem suspicious so far. But I'm keeping an eye on him. Because I just can't let him fool me again.. :rolleyes:
Cailineomer: Neither have shown up yet.

Hmm...no one jumps out as suspicious yet. I hope to have a better idea of who to vote for tomorrow...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Welcome, dear friends, to our contest
The first that this kingdom has ever seen
We gather today, for a vocal display....

Listen to me, don't I sound rich?
Loud, am I not, plus I've got perfect pitch!
Wouldn't you think I'm the girl, the girl who has everything?

Listen to this, clear as can be,
You'll know I'm it when I hit my high C!
.....

I'm a world-famous coloratura!
My vibrato is second to none!
I'm a walking display of bravura!
It's so clear, can't you hear, I'm the one!

And I suggest everyone who hasn't already go and read the Movies in Fifteen Minutes version of Phantom of the Opera. Do it.

In less banter-iffic news, I cannot believe this game started so soon! I'm quite impressed. I'm back in my dorm room now, having moved back in (the break's over) and back with internet, so expect to be seeing a lot more of me.

Especially you, Phantom and Boro.

[Cailín]

Well, I have little time today to even read the thread properly, but there is no direct need for that, since I already know exactly where this game is going just by glancing at the player list:

Cailín’s frustration will slowly rise as the phantom and Feanor of the Peredhil talk in riddles and special sign language that no one else really understands, but at least Sally and Boromir88 will pretend they do. This will lead to much dramatic arias on her part, but somehow she cannot help listening to their advice until Day 4, when - in a rebellious fit - she will turn on these self-proclaimed leaders of the theatre and try to get the phantomlynched, who will still be alive by some cruel twist of fate. This will be successful (naturally), but the phantom turns out to be just another ordinary Singer and TGWBS, whom she claimed she’d trust till the end of times, will proceed to kill everyone with merciless reviews in cave-man grammar.

It is also clear that I shall win this competition. Great range is all well and good, but being two-gendered is well… operatic! Still, best eliminate:

++NOGROD

Because the extent of his indecisiveness could lead to problems later on.

I suggest you keep me alive, because I predict my mental breakdown is truly going to be something tragic. Good to be with you all. :D

[Mithalwen]

Though I have a few notes for you....

Football is not amusing to the moddess unless it is Rugby which few of you will really understand or appreciate. Even my favourite court jesters should bear this in mind. :rolleyes:

I adore Alan Rickman (not as much as I adore the Phantom of course) so talking about him is more acceptable though not terribly constructive.

Otherwise lots of giggles :D

And the Offenbach barcarolle is a great favourite of mine... well sung!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Fea told you I was witty?

Aw. You're the best, Fea. Praise from the praiseworthy and all that.

Yessir.

By the by, you still have a story for me. I shall be lurking presently...

[Macalaure]

*stretches and tries to look straight*

The next days I should be around at the deadline, but today my schedule won't allow it, so I have to vote pretty soon.

I have to say I'm a tad disappointed at the meager number of auditions that took place while I was asleep, and more than a tad disappointed at their meager content. I was hoping to see a little bit clearer this morning, but that is not the case. With nothing better to go after, I will probably vote Menel.

Would anyone please act very, very suspicious within the next half hour? ;)

[the guy who be short]

Much interesting thing happen. Wild Man analyse each person. Wild Man not have too much free time - Wild Man prioritize poorly.

phantom - talk much. phantom talk wise, but phantom always talk wise! Ergo Wild Man not know what think. Wisdom not sign of innocence, but Wild Man think - and hope - he innocent.

Boro - talk much, say little. But what he say wise - kill Cobbler, diva/o not reveal. Wild Man inclined to think he innocent.

Gwath - talk much, say very little. Wild Man not know what think. Wild Man not play Gwath before. On one hand, wise: ignore Fea, rebuff Nogrod. On other, not say much, seem present but not commit own viewpoint.

Nogrod - Accuse Gwath on poor grounds. But Wild Man feel this just to make discussion. Wild Man inclide to think Nogrod innocent.

Aganzir - Not German. Seem reasonable. No link between two preceding sentence, of course, Mac! ;)

Mac - Say Menel too careful. Wild Man agree. But he himself seem too careful! Not explain thought process. Therefore Wild Man wary of him.

Menel - Too careful. Wild Man wary of him. Cast Cobbler suspicion on phantom, perhaps he want deflect attention?

Sally - Like syntax. Wild Man not know what think yet. Seem not say much although talk much.

Brinniel - Very careful - not suspect anyone! This bad.

Lariren - Say little but seem reasonable in what she say.

Strongbow - Alcoholic beverage. Seem ok.

Feanor Peredhillion - Make Wild Man head hurt. Say nothing of use. Wild Man want lynch.

Ilya - Wild Man not know why people trust. He wary. She talk in riddle, she say soulmate be loud. But she new. So Wild Man give doubt-benefit. Also, Medieval Total War make Wild Man think of own youth in day of yore.

Shasta / Kath / Gollum - Use few word. Wild Man like word. Please use more word.

Cailineomer - Seem to engage little. Vote Nogrod for same meta-reason Wild Man want lynch Fea (and former time phantom). Please use more word. But Wild Man trust more than Shasta-Kath-Gollum.

Wild Man suspect many. But this better than suspect none. Wild Man raise in forest, in mountain! Wild Man know world harsh.

[Macalaure]

Not explain thought process.
What thought process? ;)

[Boromir88]

And Boro- what are you hoping to see Thursday? What sort of opera will OU and FU perform? A thrilling tale with a surprise ending? Will it feature huge stars singing brilliant arias? Or will it be a dud, and leave the audience booing half the cast?~tp
I despise both of them, but that Sooner should have shut his mouth against UF, Tebow will show him a running QB I fear. I hope OU gets destroyed and Bradford has a horrible game, just so the Lions hopefully won't take him with the 1st pick.

But, hey now I let you do your thing, now let me get discussion way off track and way out of use to look like the cobbler. That's my protection at night! You know what this does, now that I have bluntly stated what I'm doing, right? Now, let's see if the critics have the nerve to do what they couldn't last time.

Cailin gets a pass today, I want to nominate that for my "Best post of the day" contest. A little rusty as WW is a tune she has not practiced for a while? Nope, not Cailin, always prepared. And I want to see how her scenario plays out. :D

tgwbs gets a pass too, not for the Wild Man speech, but very similar to Cailin. Away for a while? No problem, the show starts and he's already in full stride.

That's all, everyone else - watch out.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I shall give meta-reasons for my suspicions and lack thereof.

Sally - Typically seems more innocent than she seems now. So while I don't suggest that she's evil, I do suggest that she might be hiding something.

Lariren - Newbie. She can live a good long while unless she does something that is so obviously wolf-like that it would be foolish not to lynch her.

Ilya - No idea.

Brinniel - My arch-nemesis in the last game I played. My utter downfall. And the sole wolf winner after a lupine massacre at the hands of Boroseer88 and the Opera Ghost. I'll never trust her again. That said, she seems genuinely innocent. However... she seemed innocent all the times she's not been too. Brinn meta-terrifies me.

Kath - I've seen her be a very sneaky wolf. In fact, I've been on her team when she was being a very sneaky wolf. But I don't think she's being particularly sneaky at the moment.

Aganzir - The first time I played with her, I thought she was a boy. My bad. I apologize.

Gwath - Was strangely knee-jerk about me not getting down to the point of the game. What he forgot was obviously that the point of the game isn't for villagers to kill wolves, or wolves to kill villagers, it's to entertain Mith. Which I was obviously concentrating on. Which means I should be applauded, and he should be lynched.

Shasta - Has meta-awesome intuition. He also bickers with the phantom. You just can't kill somebody who bickers with the phantom.

Nogrod - Whether evil or not, he tends to provide a voice of reason (except when he's a desperate wolf and his voice of reason starts to seriously lack any semblance of said reason).

The Phantom - is probably the seer.

Meneltarmacil - I don't know.

Strongbow - His nickname of Bowie makes me want to sing Space Oddity. Other than that, I've got nothin'.

Macalaure - A lover of epic proportion, he is willing to travel to the ends of the earth for his True Love. In game, though, he's probably not quite so cool. :p

Gollum the Great - Goll, correct me if I'm wrong, weren't you in the first ever game, back in the day? Gollum should talk more. I don't have enough meta-knowledge of him to pretend anything about him on Day One.

TGWBS - Fea think wild man talk good. Fea think wild man not wolf. Fea like whims. Fea also like xe. Wild man teach xe. Fea like wild man, subsequently.

Boromir 88 - is the divo, of course.

Cailineomer - has it lucky to be attached at the name to the man who first taught me that the magnetic status of the little fingers of Brits is different from that of Americans.

[Macalaure]

No wiser, but in more of a hurry:

++Meneltarmacil

[Boromir88]

I refuse to make any statements regarding Gwath. At the risk of unintentionally naming his exact role, and providing a perfect scenario that would lead to my instantaneous death. I will not give Gwath the benefits of another sig!

Fea is good in my books, for that list. I don't know how to say it, but tgwbs and Fea's lists make me feel differently than Brinn's list. Wolves have to be careful when making lists, and Brinn's looks like she doesn't want to step on anyone's toes yet.

This might sound hypocritical, but whatever, as far as Menel's carefulness - that doesn't make him look suspicious. Every single time I get a funny feeling early on about Menel, precisely because he is careful. But the one time Menel was a wolf, he was a bit more defensive. His two statements about having no humor because he's a Nazgul and:
Oh, and don't suspect me based on the fact that I'm a Nazgul. I just happened to find this ring in a Cracker Jack box. How was I supposed to know it was one of the Nine?
This just doesn't look like a Menel of any evil kind (critic or cobbler). He's cleared for today.

Edit: crossed with Mac

[Nogrod]

Less than three pages! Are you all having sore throats or something? :)

So it seems that Boro and tp are at it again. Or at least they're giving out the impression they are at it again. Jolly good. I'd leave them to try and survive a few Nights first eg. I'm not willing to lynch either of them at least without some very serious arguments.

As well I'd be keen to see all those returning to the game for some time in at least a few Days with the same reservations: a believable case makes me chnge my mind.

Blah, I need to vote in about an hour so I'll jump back and see if there's anything that could help.

[Boromir88]

Boromir 88 - is the divo, of course.~Fea
It's great to see you think that, quite an honor, seriously. However, I must say I'm not divo material, what is it that you, Mith, and Rikae likened to me as...oh that's right a whipping boy who had to cater to the Mods every whim. A divo would imply greatness, a certain air of quality - that's an aura I don't have. Or an aroma of arrogance, something else that I don't posess.

So, I would say either you or tp fit the diva/o description best. And if tp's the seer - well then, what are you?

[Nogrod]

Okay. First a look at the one-posters...

Kath came early to say: "doesn't seem much to post about yet so I'll be lurking". I think I have said this about thousand times but I do still dislike the tactics of posting once (or not at all) on Day1 and getting through with it leaving the dirty work and especially the risk of a lynch to be carried by others. I could vote her on principle.

Gollum complained about there being three pages (sic!). Said he had a "horrible suspicion" on Bowie. Said: "Well, this is my daily post. Enjoy, everyone." Well, I didn't enjoy it and if he intends to post only once per Day with that quality I might be ready to make one shot in the dark into that direction.

Shasta lightly / half-banterishly threathened tp and Boro and promised to be more verbal later. I'm willing to give him a chance to prove his word.

Cailineomer. It's nice to see that double-person back in the games and they should stay. Although it must be said that even if their post was amusing it was totally devoid of any content, and the vote was if not pure evil then at least serving evil interests.

So from these four I could vote for Kath or Gollum. But I still hope to be able to find a bit more probable wolves...

[Nogrod]

Interestingly both Gwath and Sally who are pretty high on the post count have been careful enough not to voice a single suspicion against anyone. Their posting has been mainly banter or then in Sally's case saying why (pretty random reasons) she wants some to live and in Gwath's case defending himself from basically non-existent accusations.

References

"WW-manual", rule no.7 - the one I always manage not to obey - "be nice to many enough people or at least don't suspect too many at the same time if you wish to live long as people will feel bad when suspected and are thus more prone to vote for you".

"Ways to catch a werewolf", hint no.5: "a werewolf feels s/he is suspected and accused all the time - which is just natural as they live in a hostile environment anyway - so they tend to overreact to even small suspicions feeling the need to defend themselves - also they tend to be a wee bit grumpy when discussed".

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

"a werewolf feels s/he is suspected and accused all the time - which is just natural as they live in a hostile environment anyway - so they tend to overreact to even small suspicions feeling the need to defend themselves - also they tend to be a wee bit grumpy when discussed".

The only problem with this, Nog, is that innocents are typically - in my experience - more irritated when they're unjustly suspected, because wolves know what they're in for, but ordos usually feel like it should be obvious that they're ordos.

So I would adjust that to say that werewolves become hostile over little suspicions, but it's usually ordos who overreact to major ones.

[Nogrod]

From Menel I get quite innocent vibes. Or at least he plays like he plays and that has sent him to the gallows so many times ealy on just showing him innocent. So I wouldn't like to continue that tradition.

Ilya is hard one to interpret. I'm not sure it merits lynching yet but constant watch to be sure.

Bowie has played quite a hunker-down game as well so far but his remarks on not caring about the cobbler on Day1 (and especially that which followed: "I think it's a Day 2 problem. And then we kill them") do seem a bit fishy. Now that I think of it the "cobbler is not Day1 problem" -thing could be counted as just being unthoughtful but the quote in brackets indeed started to bother me a lot more...

Brinn has been veery-very careful. Like she always is. The problem is that she can pull that most innocent-looking air also when a wolf. But she shouldn't be lynched at least toDay I say.

Auch... have to vote in a minute... (I'm going to choir rehersals which I somehow find a most fitting thing indeed)

[Nogrod]

Okay. Gwath has also been lynched on Day1 a few times for playing the way he does so I'm a bit reluctant to help bringing that decision on once again so I will go for

++ Sally

She can be amusing throughout the game but she can also kill people at Night under that playful appearance.

I might have gone for Bowie as well but this is his second game (if I'm right) so let's see how he will fare later in the game, well at least toMorrow.


Fea: adjustement accepted. :)

[Boromir88]

Interestingly both Gwath and Sally who are pretty high on the post count have been careful enough not to voice a single suspicion against anyone.~Nog
Yee-gads I said I wasn't going to do this. Good point about sally, but I'm not sure why you would use this accusation against Gwath. He hasn't made a post in a while, his last post was still relatively early (some 6 hours in) - look at the chatter - what are you expecting?

sally I can see, she's been hanging around but hasn't quite made a mark yet. Even with providing amusement, that typically is stuff that gets forgotten. I present to you exit polls of favorite LOTR characters immediately after watching FOTR and from an on-line survey 6 months later

Cinema

Aragorn 20%
Legolas 17%
Sam 15%
Gandalf 12%
Gollum 11%
Gimli 9%
Frodo 6%
Arwen 2%

Online

Aragorn 29%
Sam 23%
Gandalf 15%
Legolas 11%
Frodo 7%
Gollum 7%

From Chapter 7 of Watching the Lord of the Rings -Tolkien's World Audiences

There is a growth in Aragorn, Sam, Gandalf, these characters have staying power, they are the strong characters. While the hot (Legolas) and funny (Gimli) drop significantly - amusement provides no significant staying power. These are the ones who go forgotten after a period of time. And someone wanting to be forgotten worries me.

sally, wishing to amuse us, make us feel good with you, while we spin around in circles, eh?

Edit: fixing the tables and crossing with Nogrod

[the guy who be short]

Feanor list no make Wild Man feel any better. Feanor suspect nobody. Feanor give no real information. Frivolous.

Menel. Post 32 - Say no lynch the tricksies. No why.

Post 40 - Aganzir banter. No want triple lynch. This can be critic-thought, but can be innocent-thought.

Post 64 - Agree cobbler great danger. Say perhaps phantom cobbler.

Post 92 - Ask Mac why Mac find Menel suspicious. Nazgul banter.

Wild Man still not comfortable. Seem present, but careful, accuse nobody. But Nogrod say this normal.

Nogrod vote Sally. Wild Man say: fair. But Wild Man think Kath-Gollum better choice.

Therefore Wild Man have many choice for vote. Fea-Kath-Gollum, all no vote. Menel, one vote, but Wild Man less willing to vote.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Who's in my time zone...

Mac- deadline's noon, right?

Day one votes are always a pot shot anyway.

I know I'll not be voting;

Lariren (newbie)
Kath (no red flags raised at the mo')
Shasta or Nog (I need boys around who think in a more streamlined manner than me)
the phantom (because come day three, I'm going to want a plan from him. ;))
Bowie or Mac (no warning bells a'ringin')
TGWBWild (he's funny)
B88 (because he tried so hard to give me a filibuster...)
Cailineomer (because it would amuse me if xe was singularly both lovers at once)

Which leaves me with

Sally
Ilya
Brinniel
Gwath
Meneltarmacil
Gollum the Great

I'm tempted to vote Brinn for the whole evil seer/good seer thing in Di's game. But as that doesn't really pertain to this game...

I don't really know.

I'll ponder (and by ponder I mean try to find a pair of great boots online) and come back in a bit.

[the guy who be short]

Deadline in two man-hour.

Boro make valid point about Sally.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Deadline in two man-hour.

Got it. Thanks.

[Mithalwen]

Nogrod voted? Nogrod voted first? Nogrod voted hours before the deadline.... :eek:

If he were a horse there would be a stewards enquiry.

[Boromir88]

Lariren gets the complimentary pass for today, we also serve a complimentary continental breakfast too. There's even waffles!

Every one not named

Mith
Lariren
tgwbs
the phantom
Fea
Menel
Nogrod
Cailin

is eligible for a vote from me. I'm out for lunch and will return before the dead line.

Edit: By eligible I obviously mean "legible," wow that was worse than balogna. And I'm not even sure if that word can be used in the way I'm trying to use it.

Edit 2: Wait scratch that, I do mean "eligible" that is a word, it's one of those that just don't look right.

[Aganzir]

Garr sorry I'm here only now, my schoolday was insane. I want back on holidays!

And yes, Scar was super awesome cool.
You're trying to make me not vote you eh?

Also, as for the cobbler, their last night information will be passed to the critics regardless of whether they die today.

the Divo/a doesn't get any special privileges other than immunity to night kills, right?
Nope.

It's the Soulmates who I kinda think would have more visible behavior on the thread, and the wolves wouldn't necessarily want to kill one of them because then the other could take revenge.
True but if left alive for too long they might also be dangerous for the wolves. After all they have one fellow innocent to talk to in private, and if they both survive long and come out the village gets two known innocents for one.
However the soulmate role also means that a seeming connection between (living) people doesn't automatically mean they're wolves.

Mith can the cobbler dream of themself?

Christopher Lee is possibly my all time favorite villain.
I'm rather excited about the Alice in Wonderland film Tim Burton is making with Christoper Lee and Alan Rickman in it.

Rikae told me to that Aganzir is maybe not trustworthy.
Bah she always suspects me.

Mac: Not sure yet. Might be innocent, but I'm pretty sure Rikae is a wolf.
Exactly my thoughts. :P

Would anyone please act very, very suspicious within the next half hour? ;)
Huh that comment just sent chills down my spine.

What thought process? ;)
And this. I'm getting rather scared of Mac.

Blah, I need to vote in about an hour
Oh Mith is making your deadline earlier and earlier?

So

Guilty
Mac. It's just that those two comments make me feel uneasy.
Nog. I don't know - there's just something I don't like. His question/accusation against Gwath was rather bad. Besides I think it was phrased rather like an accusation, and later he accused Gwath of taking it too seriously. Also I don't like his 'double lynch on day 1 would be riskier for the critics than innocents' logic.

Innocent
tgwbs is listed as innocent because he's too funny to be lynched today.
Boro. He's here for now although my opinion is subject to change if need be.
Gwath. After last game I didn't imagine I'd be doing this, but he looks quite innocent. Besides Nog's question/accusation wasn't the best one I've seen.
Ilya. Doesn't give off any suspicious vibes yet.
Brinn. I'm still somewhat uncertain if I like her but she's on my innocent list for now. At least there hasn't really been anything that I would have disagreed with her on yet.

Neither
phantom. I won't concentrate on him for now.
Gollum
Menel. I'm not that worried but I'm not sure enough to label him as innocent either.
Fea. She hasn't got a role on day one.
Cailíneomer. Amusing for sure though.
sally
Lari
Kath
Shasta
Bowie. I've been humming Life on Mars? in my head the whole day but I guess it's rather my own fault for coming up with that nickname.

Okay I've read through the thread and am on page four now so let's see.

I think sally is being her normal self (which of course indicates nothing). Usually she doesn't have any real accusations on day one yet.

What about me Fea? :confused:

[Kath]

Haha whatever Nogbod, you just want to vote for me because I finally got to kill you early last game. :D

Ahem, and back to this one. I've been keeping up with events during the day but haven't really thought about anything properly yet. I'll go read through the thread with a more analytical mind and see if anything pops up.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

What about me Fea? :confused:

I knew I missed somebody when I counted!

I just couldn't figure it out without checking, and I was being a little bit lazy, and (I'm also at work) patrons came in and needed me so I got distracted.

Agan gets a free pass for making me want to sing 'Be Prepared' really loudly.

[Lariren Shadow]

As for who I suspect, I’m going to try to do it sort of in song:

I have confidence in TGWBS
I have confidence in Sally
I have confidence the phantom is entertaining!
As you can see I have no confidence in my parody!

So that being said/sang. I’ll go through the rest:

Ilya – For some reason her post that was slightly confusing about the lovers made me a little suspicious. Of her being what, I’m not sure, but that she does have a more active roll.

Brinniel –Seems innocent to me.

Fea- Admitted to being a wolf, but then said that that would make her not a wolf. Pretty much keeping my eye on her. Could secretly be the diva.

Kath - Have no comment on therefore think is innocent.

Aganzir – No idea there.

Gwath – Is very vocal and slightly defensive about it. Leads me to be slightly suspicious of his intents.

Shasta – I will keep alive because he mentioned Movies in Fifteen Minutes. Therefore is awesome.

Nogrod – Seems to be very observant, gives me the idea that he could possibly be the seer.

Meneltarmacil – I’m suspicious about. For no other real reason than am.

Strongbow - Nothing.

Macalaure – No idea. But I have a feeling I should be suspicious(if only based on the conversations/sigs that I've seen).

Gollum the Great – I wish I could say something but got nothing.

Boro – In another canidate for the seer. But entertaining as well.

Cailineomer – Again no idea.

That’s what I have to say. I leaning towards voting for Ilya for just my suspicions.

[the guy who be short]

Wild Man make boo-boo. Great Mother-Goddess extent deadline. Ergo, real deadline now little under two man-hour away.

Wild Man make following thought process:

Not vote gollum, for not know him. Not know if quiet is normal. Kill him may waste ordinary life.

Not vote Fea. Appetite for lynch Fea small. Therefore vote waste.

Therefore Wild Man say to self: vote Kath!

Now Kath come. Kath say she post again perhaps. Therefore cannot yet vote Kath.

[the guy who be short]

Aganzir also make good point about Mac.

Wild Man feel head explode. :(

[Aganzir]

Agan gets a free pass for making me want to sing 'Be Prepared' really loudly.
Now you know how I feel half my life.

Lari a hint - if you think someone is a gifted it's usually good not to say it aloud for the sake of their safety.

[Lariren Shadow]

Lariren gets the complimentary pass for today, we also serve a complimentary continental breakfast too. There's even waffles!

I like waffles.


Nog. I don't know - there's just something I don't like. His question/accusation against Gwath was rather bad. Besides I think it was phrased rather like an accusation, and later he accused Gwath of taking it too seriously. Also I don't like his 'double lynch on day 1 would be riskier for the critics than innocents' logic.

That's actually a very good point. It would be like the guilty party to want to try to kill more than one innocent on the first day. Now I shall have to rethink my voting(though I haven't actually voted yet).

[Lariren Shadow]

Lari a hint - if you think someone is a gifted it's usually good not to say it aloud for the sake of their safety.

Thanks I shall remember that!

[Mithalwen]

The cobbler does not dream he spies. And no he can't spy on himself - he may find out through his spying who the wolves are but the wolves will have to guess. And if he goes the information he holds will not be transmitted becasue he won't be able to make the drop.

[the phantom]

Okay...

Fea, Nogrod, Mac, and Boro are all up to something. Of course that doesn't mean we should lynch them. They might even be Ordos purposefully looking like they're up to something in order to draw a Night-kill. But then again, perhaps one of them is the deadly Cobbler. And one is a Critic.

But really, I'm not ready to try lynching one of them on Day 1. I want to see more of them, and I want to see who the Critics attempt to kill.

Right now I'm tempted to do a Nogrod and consider voting on principle. I won't be following his vote for Sally though. I very much want to see her live at least two more days. Let her make some accusations and such.

[Aganzir]

In a way I don't know about Mac... Because the scary comments are things I could very well say (and probably have) as an innocent. But they're still so suspicious-looking.

Okay thanks Mith. It would just have been a nice cobbler tactics to spy on her/himself in the beginning and pass the information to the wolves.

edit: xed with phantom

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I despise both of them, but that Sooner should have shut his mouth against UF, Tebow will show him a running QB I fear. I hope OU gets destroyed and Bradford has a horrible game, just so the Lions hopefully won't take him with the 1st pick.

I almost have to vote you for this, Boro. State pride and all that. :p

*still reading, but thinking of voting for Nogrod based on what he's read so far*

[the phantom]

Just thoughts here...

I was thinking that maybe the Cobbler might want to look like the Divo/Diva in a small way, but obvious enough for a team of Wolves and a couple villagers to spot. Then the Wolves would think, "That's probably the Divo, we don't want to waste a kill there", and the Seer thinks, "That's probably the Divo, I don't want to waste a dream there", and the villagers think, "That's probably the Divo, I definitely don't want to risk lynching him."

Where as the real Divo might think, "They look like they might be hinting they're the Divo. Should I step out? But maybe it's one of the Wolves trying to draw me out. And maybe it's the Seer cleverly looking like the Divo. I'm not sure if I should challenge."

And in the meantime, the Cobbler skates by free through all phases.

And at least one of the Wolves could put on a Divo show as well, in order to avoid lynching. And it wouldn't be the least bit suspicious when they're still alive the next day, because the Wolves can't kill the Divo. And possibly the Seer wouldn't want to spend a dream on them either because why waste a dream on someone who's probably known already?

Yeah... Lots of interesting things could happen here.

[the phantom]

By the way, I can remember someone talking about the Divo earlier. Why did we decide he should stay hidden?

I mean, it's not like the Wolves can kill him. And if revealed that would keep the baddies from running the little Divo ploys I noted above.

Bleh... I can't think the best now. It's morning. My mind doesn't hit full operation until at least six in the evening.

[Gwathagor]

Currently suspicious of:

Nogrod, for his really contrived case against me. I'm not going to vote him just yet because of what happened last time we tangled.

Lariren, who says a great deal of nothing (mostly summaries and paraphrases). She is a new player, and so I'm going to need more time to decide whether it's just a natural lack of confidence or something more sinister.

Heck, I've changed my mind.

++Nogrod

[Boromir88]

I almost have to vote you for this, Boro. State pride and all that. :p~Shasta
Oh just my luck, but my pride's been shattered this year, that should be punishment enough for me. :rolleyes:

Fea, Nogrod, Mac, and Boro are all up to something.~tp
Of course, if we weren't up to something we'd be doing nothing - correct?

I'm considering giving tgwbs another pass for tomorrow, just for this:
Wild Man feel head explode.
This made me choke from laughter on my sub, but that's beside the point. I have always been curious in what a Wild Man's exploding head would look like.

Edit: crossed with tp and gwath

[Aganzir]

By the way, I can remember someone talking about the Divo earlier. Why did we decide he should stay hidden?
I don't think there was any decision. But if they stay hidden there's a chance the wolves waste their kill or the cobbler their dream.

I have no idea yet who I'm going to vote.

edit: xed with Boro

[Boromir88]

By the way, I can remember someone talking about the Divo earlier. Why did we decide he should stay hidden?~tp
I don't think there was any decision - I brought up just an idea of the divo revealing to give us one person we won't have to worry about. And in a cross post Agan and I than both thought the Divo could provide good night protection.

Edit: crossed with Agan, but this time she beat me to the punch - drats!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Try not to take this the wrong way, village. I want to test a theory.

Hey phantom, did you spot that thing in that post of Nog's that I spotted?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

My world is dust now
And all I loved is dead.
Oh, let me trust now
In what my master said;
"There is a sweetness in every woe."
It must be so. It must be so.
The dawn will find me
Alone in some strange land
But men are kindly; they'll give a helping hand.
So said my master, and he must know;
It must be so, it must be so!

++TGWBS

Will explain on the morrow. Ciao!

[the guy who be short]

Sigh.

++FEANOR

Even if she not wolf, she deserve!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Even if she not wolf, she deserve!

For the code talk? Or just on principle?

About the obscure question- the phantom said something (not actually about Nogrod), and I'm curious to see if I was catching something or if I was making it all up.

So phantom - that thing you said. Did you mean it? Do you know what I'm talking about? Should I just shut up and hibernate and pretend it's not sleeting?

[the phantom]

Fea- yes I did.

And as far as that thing I said, I can't recall it. I shall look back and see if I can figure what you mean.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Okay. Not to rush you, but can you hurry? I trust your judgment on this one, even if you can't figure out what I'm talking about, and I'd like to hear what you have to say before it's time to vote.

[the phantom]

All right. When you say "that thing you said"... I'm wondering which thing you caught. I've said several things. Was my comment latching onto something someone else said, or was it a stand alone comment, or was it latched onto by someone else later, or was it spoken directly to someone? Which of those four?

[the guy who be short]

For the code talk? Or just on principle?Both, plus logic.

Lynch not-Fea (possible Kath)
Best case scenario: not-Fea critic. Worst case scenario: not-Fea innocent. Remove potential helpful input.

Lynch Fea
Best case scenario: Fea critic. Worst case scenario: Fea innocent. Remove headache.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

All right. When you say "that thing you said"... I'm wondering which thing you caught. I've said several things. Was my comment latching onto something someone else said, or was it a stand alone comment, or was it latched onto by someone else later, or was it spoken directly to someone? Which of those four?

Once was a stand alone comment. With what I'm thinking was a play on words. The second time was... spoken directly. The two comments were *eyebrow raised* about the same. And I'm just wondering if there's good reason for me to act on what I thought I saw in them-

But I want to make sure there was actually something I was seeing, and that I wasn't imagining it based on who I think is what. You know?

[Boromir88]

Once was a stand alone comment. With what I'm thinking was a play on words.~Fea
Would that happen to be tp's comment about doing a Nogrod?

[the phantom]

Once was a stand alone comment. With what I'm thinking was a play on words. The second time was... spoken directly.
Thanks. That narrows it down. Now, were the comments in question on the same page, or seperate?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Would that happen to be tp's comment about doing a Nogrod?

I must have missed that one. :rolleyes:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Thanks. That narrows it down. Now, were the comments in question on the same page, or seperate?

Separate.

[Aganzir]

Votes
Caileom: Nog
Mac: Menel
Nog: sally
Gwath: Nog
Shasta: tgwbs
tgwbs: Fea
Nog-2, Menel-1, sally-1, tgwbs-1, Fea-1

Of these I'd probably vote Nog. I don't have that many options anyway, I've been too lazy/tired to do anything productive today.

[the phantom]

Seperate? One and two?

[Brinniel]

Apparently, Fea is scared of me. Oh, I'm so proud of myself. :D

In other news....

Aganzir thinks me innocent at the moment. Wait...what?! :eek: Just for that, I ought to give her a pass for toDay. :cool:

Who I won't vote for:

Lariren: newbie
the phantom : I'll give him at least another Day
Bowie: newbie
tgwbs: too darned entertaining to vote for
Cailineomer : would like to see more of them
Ilya: still pretty new to WW...and I like her
Aganzir: not sure, but I'll give her the pass for toDay at least
Meneltarmacil: would rather not see him Day One lynched...he gets lynched early too often
Boro: I feel good about him for now so I'll leave him alone toDay

Possibilities:

Kath
Shasta
Nog
Mac
Sally
Fea
Gwath
Gollum

Hmm....

Btw, is the deadline in twenty minutes, or if I recall correctly...has it been put off another half hour?

[satansaloser2005]

By the way, I can remember someone talking about the Divo earlier. Why did we decide he should stay hidden?

I mean, it's not like the Wolves can kill him. And if revealed that would keep the baddies from running the little Divo ploys I noted above.

Bleh... I can't think the best now. It's morning. My mind doesn't hit full operation until at least six in the evening.

Well, I've just woken up *contented sigh* so my logic's probably fuzzy, but....

If the diva/devo comes out then we have a known innocent and everyone automatically trusts them. Beautiful. However, if they stay hidden for perhaps a few Days then everyone will give more honest reactions to that person (for instance if I am the diva and Phantom is constantly trying to have me killed perhaps we should look more closely at our Man in Black....and yes, that WAS a gratuituous Princess Bride reference. Deal with it.) thus allowing us to learn more about the others in the game. As for me, I'm fine with the diva staying in the shadows or coming into the spotlight. Either one is acceptable, as it's ultimately their choice anyway.

Erm, gone through up to about the start of the vote rush, so I'll finish catching up and put in my two cents. :)

[satansaloser2005]

Yup, Brinn, 15 now but you're correct.

[Meneltarmacil]

To be completely honest, I have no idea who to vote for. Phantom seems innocent enough, though I wouldn't automatically trust him just because he's the phantom.

Boro hasn't shown any warning signs either.

Macalaure has some kind of odd suspicion of me. Could be innocent Day One behavior, but I still don't like it.

The wild man who be short is being helpful enough, and I like his caveman-speak enough that I'll let him go for now.

He has a good point about Fea, who seems to be going off-topic a lot, speaking in code, and being tricksy as he calls it.

I'm leaning a little towards either Fea or Mac, but not that strongly.

[Aganzir]

Why so surprised Brinn? :p Isn't it just good that I'm able to find you innocent-looking despite how much I usually suspect you?

edit: xed with Menel

[Boromir88]

I must have missed that one. ~Fea
How about the statement that Nog will show us all how to sing?

Btw, is the deadline in twenty minutes, or if I recall correctly...has it been put off another half hour?
It's extended by 30 minutes.

Edit: lots of cross posting

[the phantom]

Ah, Fea! I think I know what you mean now. Because you mentioned Nog before, I was assuming what I was looking for had something to do with Nog. It's something different, yes? If so then I certainly know what you mean.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh do tell! Okay, well in that case I'm going to look over a couple things again. Sorry about that, I completely forgot it had been extended. Whoops.

[Boromir88]

Phantom seems innocent enough, though I wouldn't automatically trust him just because he's the phantom.~Menel
Don't let emotions cloud common reasonable judgement.

Right now the top two that are most suspicious to me, sally and Mac. Sally, I've stated, she's back, I'll wait on her. Mac doesn't appear like he will be back, I don't like his vote for Menel. Looks like an easy way out to slide by the day.

[the phantom]

I'm pleased to see that Boro has been noticing quite a bit. But not so pleased he's actually throwing the direct quotes up. Careful lad. Perhaps I don't want attention called to some things. Now, anyway.

And yes, I realize that perhaps you're doing just the opposite. In which case, thanks. :D

[Meneltarmacil]

So just what is this thing with Nogrod, anyhow? I don't think everyone but Fea and the phantom should be kept out of the loop on this.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Boro - good to see you're catching things. Don't drop the ball.

If so then I certainly know what you mean.

Yes. So... would you rather I let it rest for now?

[the phantom]

Oh yes, I agree that Sally and Mac are probably up to something. But both of them have pleased me with their reactions. In addition, Mac possibly spotted something and had a positive reaction to it. He could just be playing well as a Critic/Cobbler, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

And Sally, well, I could never bring myself to kill a fellow Nebraskan. If you go after her this early I won't be happy with you.

[Lariren Shadow]

So just in case I have it wrong about the voting time, I'm going to vote right now for

++Ilya

Solely based on my own hunch.

Though from the looks of it I should be considering Nog.

[Boromir88]

Boro - good to see you're catching things. Don't drop the ball.

I have safe hands.

[Brinniel]

If the diva/devo comes out then we have a known innocent and everyone automatically trusts them.
If the diva comes out, they should not be automatically trusted. Because how do we know it's not a false reveal? Which is why the diva should remain hidden...it'd be better off if they became a target for the wolves.

Isn't it just good that I'm able to find you innocent-looking despite how much I usually suspect you?
Indeed it is....especially since very few seem to find me innocent-looking anymore. :rolleyes: How I miss the Days of being an assumed innocent...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

especially since very few seem to find me innocent-looking anymore. :rolleyes: How I miss the Days of being an assumed innocent...

Oh contrare, darling, the problem is that everybody thinks you look innocent.

Phantom?

?

[the phantom]

Yes. So... would you rather I let it rest for now?
Nothing wrong with calling a bit of attention to it (like we just did). I'm actually hoping it will be spotted by the Critics and Cobbler. The question is, what will they do about it?

And if you're wondering if it's true, I would answer- at least half. Only time will tell you if all of it is true.

Sorry for not saying more, but you must understand that I can't entirely trust you. ;)

[the phantom]

Does anyone have a vote count, or do I need to go back and do it?

[Aganzir]

Votes
Caileom: Nog
Mac: Menel
Nog: sally
Gwath: Nog
Shasta: tgwbs
tgwbs: Fea
Lari: Ilya
Nog-2, Menel-1, sally-1, tgwbs-1, Fea-1, Ilya-1

I think it looks like that now.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, phantom and Fea's secrecy is disturbing, but I think I'll let it go for now and see what comes of it later.

++Macalaure

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Sorry for not saying more, but you must understand that I can't entirely trust you. ;)

Obviously.

I shall back away then. I was merely curious. Now I'm (vaguely) satisfied, and I'll behave myself.

In the mean time,

++MENEL

Because there's nobody else I'd rather lynch, so process of elimination dictates...

[Boromir88]

Oh yes, I agree that Sally and Mac are probably up to something. But both of them have pleased me with their reactions. In addition, Mac possibly spotted something and had a positive reaction to it.~tp
Possibly, give some better options and I'll take it under advisement

[Brinniel]

I have to leave in twenty minutes and haven't gotten ready yet, so I must vote shortly.

I don't feel like spreading out the votes anymore...among those already on the tally, I'd consider Nog, Sally, or Mac.

[Aganzir]

Votes
Caileom: Nog
Mac: Menel
Nog: sally
Gwath: Nog
Shasta: tgwbs
tgwbs: Fea
Lari: Ilya
Menel: Mac
Fea: Menel
Nog-2, Menel-2, sally-1, tgwbs-1, Fea-1, Ilya-1, Mac-1

I rather didn't lynch Menel today because I don't find him very suspicious. I think I'm just going to vote Nog. Or Mac.

edit: xed with Brinn

[satansaloser2005]

If the diva comes out, they should not be automatically trusted. Because how do we know it's not a false reveal? Which is why the diva should remain hidden...it'd be better off if they became a target for the wolves.

Very true. I'm just saying that assuming it IS the real diva, they'd be a known innocent. The possibility of someone lying is a given, but I rather skirted around it. My apologies.


Hmmmm....Nog seems to be a bit off to me. But I've never been terribly good at reading the fellow, and I'm afraid that if I voted him it would be just because he voted for me. At the same time, he was rubbing me as a bit off before he voted me, so I may fall either way.

Mac's vote looks a bit off. Mostly because I can't see too much suspicious about Menel, and it seems a bit....random. I'll go over the little green fellow's posts, though, and see what I can see.

What happened to Phantom and Boro only talking to each other? And why does Fea insist on speaking in code? I'm sure there's a reason for it, but if you have a theory please bring it forward so the village can all benefit from it. Unless you and your beloved Phantom wish to be alone, that is. :Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

To be completely honest, I have no idea who to vote for. Phantom seems innocent enough, though I wouldn't automatically trust him just because he's the phantom.

Boro hasn't shown any warning signs either.

Macalaure has some kind of odd suspicion of me. Could be innocent Day One behavior, but I still don't like it.

The wild man who be short is being helpful enough, and I like his caveman-speak enough that I'll let him go for now.

He has a good point about Fea, who seems to be going off-topic a lot, speaking in code, and being tricksy as he calls it.

I'm leaning a little towards either Fea or Mac, but not that strongly.

So of all his 'suspects' (or lack thereof), he votes Mac because Mac suspects him? I lied. Menel does look a bit fishy now. I mean, I may not be happy that people suspect me, but them suspecting me doesn't necessarily make them guilty. Seems much more like a self-preservation tactic than anything else.

I suppose my first three choices are Menel, Nog, and Mac, semi in that order.

[Boromir88]

There's a lot of people left, I'll get out of the way and take a gander at what some others are doing...

I wish not to cause Lariren to fear someone else at night, but I can't resist this reference. In fact, this scared the crap out of me - and if anyone catches what I'm referencing, well I'll consider giving you a pass for tomorrow. Because knowing this would moderately be impressive:

Are you ready for tak?
Tak-a-lah, tak-a-wah
tak-tak, tak-a-Mac

I guess to make it more formal

++Macalaure

[Ilya]

I'm here, I'm here! I totally forgot the deadline was 6:30 GMT.

And...I don't get where the Nogrod thing came up because I haven't had time to read page 4. So, I'm gonna try and do that. But...I might just vote for Gollum, because his supicion of Bowie was presented in a kinda weird, off-the-cuff way, and he hasn't amused me as much as all of the heavy hitters running circles around the rest of us.

[the phantom]

Nog-2, Menel-1, sally-1, tgwbs-1, Fea-1, Ilya-1, Mac- 1

It appears that Fea and Mac have both spotted something and acted well on it. Leave them alive.

TGWBS hasn't played in forever, and he certainly is willing to speak his mind and is entertaining to boot. No reason for him to die today.

I think Nog needs to be given the chance to help us. He will read carefully and analyze and accuse and by the time Day 3 comes I imagine he'll have a good idea about what's going on. Don't kill him.

Sally is great for her Phantom and Princess Bride references. And she's nice to me, and has me quoted in her sig. She must live. She'll be Wolf-killed soon enough, so don't worry about her.

[Kath]

Boro - ah turns out Boro agrees with me about the Cobbler Day 1/2 thing. His 'deal with phantom' plan excludes one wonderful possibility, his early death. Opposite opinions to me on Fea's list, doesn't mean his aren't right. Also disagrees with Mac about Menel.

Gwath - rule confusion as they hadn't gone up at that point. Gets cross with Fea for messing about, I love it. :D Says Nog is trying to make himself look better by accusing him, not sure of the logic there. Suspicious of Nog, I'd say that's sort of fair, Mac picked up on it being a bit strange as well. Also Lariren for not having original ideas, though I'd say she's doing pretty well with that. Votes Nog.

Agan - jokes about not voting Mac, if they turn out to be wolf buddies I will be very impressed by this early protection system. :D Oh and yes I do prefer German to French. Good point about the diva/divo in answer to Boro. Suspicious of Mac and Nog - I'd say good reasoning. Retains suspicion of Mac.

Fea - does not actually say that she is a wolf, simply says that Agan's list is right. As it's not an outright 'confession' I'd say that makes her look more suspicious! Pretty much as few conclusions as Brinn came up with, dressed in more language.

Nog - not sure if he was actually suspicious of Gwath when he mentioned him but whatever the case it came across as quite pointed. Alright I do understand why he gets annoyed with people who aren't around much during the Day and I am a terrible offender for that, so for a Day 1 lynch vote I understand where he's coming from. However, given that Mith is our mod I don't believe she'd make a non-participant a wolf. Then mentions that even those with high post counts can actually be saying nothing. Thinks Bowie quite suspicious for the Cobbler remark. Votes sally - so switched quite dramatically from his original 'will vote for a quiet person' idea. Not keen on the inconsistency but he did produce good reasoning for his suspicions.

Lariren - newbie (albeit Fea's friend and therefore probably very well versed in 'Downs culture!) so I'm not going to consider her for voting toDay. Says the diva/divo is in the worst position because if gone after the wolves will know who they are, but what does it matter when they can't be killed. Suspicious of Ilya (fair), Gwath (I disagree). I might just say though to Lariren that mentioning possible Seers out loud is something we don't usually do ... just in case we're right! Ah, which Agan just said, oh well. I like her thinking though.

phantom - kill him, kill him now. I only wish he'd been around last game so I could have had that pleasure! But actually so far he looks alright to me - I like his 'what we know will happen list', it's sadly all so true. Good point about the Cobbler being a real threat for once. Keen on Strongbow.

tgwbs - Wild Man language heretic. :p But the amusement value makes me want to leave him be for a Day or so. Says kill the confusing ones, this early in the game I'm not sure that's wise, Day 1's are there for those who are good at playing around to do so and thus confuse. Let the wolves try to deal with the Cobbler toNight, focus on the Cobbler during Day 2. That doesn't quite work to me - why offer the wolves even one Cobbler dream. Suspicious of Mac for accusing of being careful whilst being careful, Menel for being careful and trying to deflect attention, Brinn for being careful (see what I mean about half the village being careful?), Ilya for talking in riddles. His suspicions have a good basis to them. Suspicious of Fea for no substance, some suspicion of Menel because he's being careful, wants to vote me! Outrageous! First time I get to play with him in ages and all he wants to do is kill me - oh well. He wants to vote Gollum too though which I do agree with. Votes Fea - apparently because I foiled his 'vote Kath' plot by appearing.

Brinn - list post but not a conclusion in sight, except that she'll be watching me and Boro for past-based reasons.

Ilya - nothing to say she says. I'm sure she's usually more verbose than that even in as busy as village as our 48 Day/night one - fishy I say. Good points about the Soulmates, no one else has even mentioned them so far. Lover roles are always dangerous ones.

Strongbow - says the Cobbler can be left til Day 2 but I don't entirely see the logic. If we're agreed that the Cobbler is pretty much as dangerous as the wolves then we should try to get any/either even Day 1.

Mac - says phantom and Ilya are trustworthy, Menel and Agan are not, but no reasoning. Ah Menel is because he is too careful. How so? It's Day 1 and I don't see a difference between his behaviour and that of most of the village ... oops sorry Mith, I mean contestants. Votes Menel - has been consistently suspicious of him all Day, for perhaps not brilliant reasons but it is Day 1 and Menel has been a Fenris before as I recall so maybe Mac has seen something there.

Gollum - says he will be making daily posts, I'm waiting for the deluge of posts from Nog/tgwbs/Boro going 'kill the quiet ones' and see how he reacts. Says Strongbow is suspicious but no reasoning.

Shasta - pops up, no content, votes tgwbs with no reasoning. Really had better hear more from him toMorrow if he doesn't end up dead as a no trail kill.

Cailin/Eomer - votes Nogrod because of his indecisiveness. Well, it has led to his downfall in the past so I won't argue, and it was a very early Day 1 post.

And I have nothing on sally or Menel - they were in the list when I was noting down things but I just had nothing to say. Therefore they're either great under the radar wolves or innocent.

So, for me:

Suspicious:
Gwath - now usually I'm the only one supporting him because I'm used to that slightly abrasive style, but this time there's some off logic as well.
Ilya - for saying she was overwhelmed despite having been in Fea's village.
Strongbow - odd Cobbler reasoning.
Fea - for not managing to reach any conclusions.

Innocent:
Agan
Lariren
phantom

No idea:
sally
Menel
Shasta
Cailin/Eomer
Boro
Mac
Nog
Brinn
tgwbs
Gollum - but if he doesn't give us anything useful toMorrow he goes on my 'lynch on principle' list, otherwise it's just like having Gil again.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Votes
Caileom: Nog
Mac: Menel
Nog: sally
Gwath: Nog
Shasta: tgwbs
tgwbs: Fea
Lari: Ilya
Menel: Mac
Fea: Menel

Nog-2, Menel-2, sally-1, tgwbs-1, Fea-1, Ilya-1, Mac-1

Unless you and your beloved Phantom wish to be alone, that is

I've always had a bit of an exhibitionist streak...

No, that was a very staged discussion, as I'm sure he knows, hence the caution on both of our parts.

If we were Lovers, I'd just PM him. If we were critics, I'd just wait twenty minutes and PM him.

That? That was a public experiment.

[Aganzir]

So of all his 'suspects' (or lack thereof), he votes Mac because Mac suspects him? I lied. Menel does look a bit fishy now.
If you're innocent, you know that everyone suspecting you is not suspecting a wolf but can't know if it happens by accident or intentionally, so I don't think retaliating is usually suspicious.

edit: xed with about five people since Boro. Nice that you're all posting now. :p

[Kath]

Ooh should mention, that's only based on up to the end of page 4 as I've crossposted with everyone since then.

[Brinniel]

I want to hear more from Mac before voting him.

Sally has said little of substance. Noggie gives more substance, but I find of what he does say, I tend to disagree with more. Of all the candidates so far, he's the one who gives me the biggest wolfish vibe. A feeling is not much, but it's all I can really offer. I don't have time to give it more thought, and I wouldn't mind at all seeing him lynched.

++Nogrod

Oh boy, I'm gonna be late to my appointment...

[Gollum the Great]

Gollum complained about there being three pages (sic!). Said he had a "horrible suspicion" on Bowie. Said: "Well, this is my daily post. Enjoy, everyone." Well, I didn't enjoy it and if he intends to post only once per Day with that quality I might be ready to make one shot in the dark into that direction.

I do not intend to post only once a day this game. I mentioned in the admin thread that my first day or two would be full, and werewolf (as much as I would like it to be so) is not at the top of my priority list. My thought on Strongbow is nothing more than a nebulous idea. (I still haven't read the whole game)

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, I really didn't have much to go on about who to vote for, but it was mainly the fact that he didn't expalin much about why he suspected me when I asked him about it that troubled me.

And I'm still waiting to hear what you found regarding Nogrod, Fea, as are all of us. If you found something suspicious, I think everyone deserves to hear it.

[Kath]

So, of those who have votes I might go with Fea or Ilya. I might be more likely to go for Ilya because I know how good Fea can be in these games if given a chance - however, I'm not sure I can handle another Fea/phantom extravaganza. :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

Unless you and your beloved Phantom wish to be alone, that is.
Sally, careful with those comments. You'll confuse poor Fea. ;)
If we were Lovers, I'd just PM him.
Crap. I forgot we could do that. :rolleyes:

[Boromir88]

If you found something suspicious, I think everyone deserves to hear it.~Menel
Who said what was surmised about Nogrod, between them, was something suspicious?

[the guy who be short]

Wild Man glad he no vote Kath. That good post.

[Mithalwen]

15 minutes my darlings :D

[Gollum the Great]

Crap. I forgot we could do that. :rolleyes:

Are you admitting that you're one of them? :D

[the phantom]

Are you admitting that you're one of them? :D
Oops. There I go again. Letting things slip that should stay hidden.

But it's your fault. All of you! You're all terrible singers. How can I shine surrounded by you? And the conductor takes everthing too fast!

Gah! I'll be in my room!

*storms off stage*

[Aganzir]

Votes
Caileom: Nog
Mac: Menel
Nog: sally
Gwath: Nog
Shasta: tgwbs
tgwbs: Fea
Lari: Ilya
Menel: Mac
Fea: Menel
Brinn: Nog

Nog-3, Menel-2, sally-1, tgwbs-1, Fea-1, Ilya-1, Mac-1

Eight votes still to come.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Boromir, you're being one of my favorite people right now.

One of these days somebody should host a game that consists solely of me, the phantom, and Boro. That would be great...

[the phantom]

Boro- what do you think about all these Nog votes? I'm extremely surprised.

Do you think that tomorrow we should probably vote for someone who voted for him? Especially if he ends up lynched?

[Kath]

Hmm voting time I think:

++ILYA

[Boromir88]

*storms off stage*~tp
You better, because if this goes down in the way that I'm thinking it will go down, I will make greek fire rain down upon you.

Oh that won't work, you've already tried that one.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Kath, was that a vote, or was that commentary on somebody else?

Phantom: I know, right? Suspicious lot, they are.

[Gollum the Great]

Eight votes still to come.

I'm not sure that I will vote. I got here so late and I still haven't read a great deal of the game...

[satansaloser2005]

If you're innocent, you know that everyone suspecting you is not suspecting a wolf but can't know if it happens by accident or intentionally, so I don't think retaliating is usually suspicious.

edit: xed with about five people since Boro. Nice that you're all posting now. :p

Given. But retaliating with that as the only reason is suspicious. At least to me.


However, I do hate a double lynch. Lesser (or greater, in this case, I hope) of two evils must prevail, because if we're wrong about one person we can handle that but if we're wrong about two people that could be....erm, well, bad, obviously.

Thus....

++Noggie


x'd since Phantom's 'meltdown'. :p

[the guy who be short]

Wild Man not like Noggie-votes. Nogrod always like this, no? As Nogrod useful, Wild Man exhort you: vote Fea-Menel-Mac. (Wild Man also see no reason vote Sally / Ilya).

[Boromir88]

Do you think that tomorrow we should probably vote for someone who voted for him? Especially if he ends up lynched?~tp
Depends upon if this turns out how I think it will, I will say I don't want Nog lynched today. Don't forget about retractables. ;)

[Aganzir]

On the one hand I wouldn't want to vote Mac because it's so long since he last played, but on the other hand he's a bit more suspicious than Nog... Garr I can't decide. I don't want to vote either of them.

edit: xed with tgwbs & Boro

[Lariren Shadow]

I wish not to cause Lariren to fear someone else at night, but I can't resist this reference. In fact, this scared the crap out of me - and if anyone catches what I'm referencing, well I'll consider giving you a pass for tomorrow.

I have a feeling I now know what that is. It has to do with the interesting post?

[Ilya]

Herm. Herm. Ok.

++Strongbow

I have no good reasoning for this. Maybe it's just his style, but his posts strike me as kinda...off? contrived? abrasive? I dunno. I can't shake the feeling, though, and it's not fair to Gollum, who did post more than once a day, or Nog or Menel who're on my radar because other people put them there.

[the phantom]

Oh that won't work, you've already tried that one.
Ha ha ha! :D

Are we seriously lynching Nog on Day 1?

++Menel

[satansaloser2005]

Forgot to say that Menel's last post makes me feel a tad better about him, which is why I tipped the scale toward Noggie. Besides, I'd like to see more from Menel before I/we kill him.

Nog: 4
Menel: 2
Ilya: 2


(And I suppose that should have been stated as an attempt to prevent a triple or more lynch, not a double, they way things may be going. Bah. Nothing more I can do now, except head off to lunch and hope I did the right thing.)

x'd since my last

[the phantom]

And Boro- it's possible that when I tried that one, I wasn't completely just trying. ;)

[Boromir88]

--Mac

++Menel

This is no flippant move so if Mith thinks about a mod-fire I would like her to wait for my explanation tomorrow.

[Aganzir]

Heck

++Nog

edit: xed with phantom & Boro

[the phantom]

Vote people! One minute!

[the guy who be short]

--Fea

++Menel

[the phantom]

Scar!! :mad:

[the phantom]

Okay, yes, Nog might be the Cobbler. But so might I. And on Day 1? Lynch? What a risk.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm fine with either one, frankly, and there's no way I want a double.


Ack! Rush!


--Noggie

++Menel


Did I make it???


EDIT: don't think so. But TGWBS did. That makes count at....oh, dear, Agan threw in a wrench....

[Gollum the Great]

Vote people! One minute!

Don't tempt me! I want to vote like you wouldn't believe, but my weak knowledge of this game's history detains me...

[Aganzir]

Eek is it a double lynch?

edit: I guess no, so many retractions

[Mithalwen]

I will need to check numbers but it is Nogrod isn't it? Tell me on ADMIN thread .... :D

Ooh Sally I hope you havent made my life difficult..

[the phantom]

Does every vote before Mith's official "stop" post count?

EDIT: x-post, I knew it was coming

[satansaloser2005]

Mith: Heck. If. I. Know.



So I feel stupid now. I vote Nog to prevent a double lynch, then Menel catches back up so I switch to prevent it STILL, and my vote doesn't even get in on time.


Forget this. I'm going for food. I'll find out who died later.

EDIT: x'd with the moddess. Oooo, so I did make it in on time? Or no?

[Mithalwen]

This isn't easy but I am going to make the deadline stand regardless that I was a couple of minutes off. The fairest way is to go by the downs clock.

I like retractable votes since situations can change however I also believe that people should vote in good time and have the courage of their convictions. I don't particulary like double lynches but each player received a substantial number of votes. Therefore both Nogrod and Meneltamarcil will sadly leave us today.

[Mithalwen]

There had been much talk and even some singing during the first day of the contest and by the end of the day there were two main candidates for expulsion from the competition. Mithalwen was suprised - nos so much by one - inhabitants of Minas Morgul would have to work hard to make friends and some of the wraith's repertoire had been a little avante garde. The singer from the Old Forest had demonstrated skill in various genres and tongues. Perhaps he had represented too much of a threat.

The two singers moved to the front of the stage to give their farewell duet inspired by their shared devotion and love for the Vala Nienna, patron of those who grieve and swore friendship in place of their rivalry since they shared the same fate. Both had been genuine contestants.

Apologies to Bizet (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4tLrPVkfCIQ)

MENELTARMACIL
C'était le soir!
Dans l'air par la brise attiédi,
Les chanteurs au front inondé de lumière,
Appelaient lentement les autres à choisir
NOGROD
Au fond du opéra
Paré de fleurs et d'or,
Une femme apparaît!
MENELTARMACIL
Une femme apparaît!
NOGROD
Je crois la voir encore!
MENELTARMACIL
Je crois la voir encore!

NOGROD
La foule prosternée
La regarde, etonnée,
Et murmure tous bas:
Voyez, c'est la déesse!
Qui dans l'ombre se dresse
Et vers nous tend les bras!

MENELTARMACIL
Son voile se soulève!
Ô vision! ô rêve!
La foule est à genoux!

MENELTARMACIL & NOGROD
Oui, c'est elle!
C'est la déesse
plus charmante et plus belle!
Oui, c'est elle!
C'est la déesse
qui descend parmi nous!
Son voile se soulève et la foule est à genoux!

NOGROD
Mais à travers la foule
Elle s'ouvre un passage!

MENELTARMACIL
Son long voile déjà
Nous cache son visage!

NOGROD
Mon regard, hélas!
La cherche en vain!

MENELTARMACIL
Elle fuit!

NOGROD
Elle fuit!
Mais dans mon âme soudain
Quelle étrange ardeur s'allume!

MENELTARMACIL
Quel feu nouveau me consume!

NOGROD
Ta main repousse ma main!

MENELTARMACIL
Ta main repousse ma main!

NOGROD
De nos cœurs l'amour s'empare
Et nous change en ennemis!

MENELTARMACIL
Non, que rien ne nous sépare!

NOGROD
Non, rien!

MENELTARMACIL
Que rien ne nous sépare!

NOGROD
Non, rien!

MENELTARMACIL
Jurons de rester amis!
NOGROD
Jurons de rester amis!
MENELTARMACIL
Jurons de rester amis!

MENELTARMACIL & NOGROD
Oh oui, jurons de rester amis!
Oui, c'est elle! C'est la déesse!
En ce jour qui vient nous unir,
Et fidèle à ma promesse,
Comme un frère je veux te chérir!
C'est elle, c'est la déesse
Qui vient en ce jour nous unir!
Oui, partageons le même sort,
Soyons unis jusqu'à la mort!

[Mithalwen]

Remaining
Sally, soprano
Lariren , soprano, Ithilien
Feanor of the Peredhil, Belfalas (mezzo-)soprano
Ilya, mezzo-soprano, vales of Anduin.
Brinniel, mezzo-soprano, Harad
Kath contralto
Aganzir, Minas Tirith contralto
Gwathagor (Gwathagorio), lyric tenor/spinto Sindar of Eriador
Shastanis Althreduin (tenor leggierio / lyric tenor)
The Phantom (typically versatile and with great range)
Strongbow, Bowissimo of Lossarnach
Macalaure (Barney Broadbottle), a Bree-lander from Staddle, Baritone
Gollum the Great - bass-baritone
TGWBS - bass, woodwose,
Boromir 88 basso profundo, Rohan
Cailineomer, trouser role, Forodwaith

You're not singing anymore:

Meneltarmacil - baritone err Nazgul from Minal Morgul ORDO
Nogrod - lyric tenor in the end, Old Forest ORDO

Critics will now receive Walter's intelligence and can start plotting.

Soulmates stop talking.

Singer-seer, Critics and Plinge picks ASAP - I would like to get this back on track if poss for a 6pm start tomorrow.

[Mithalwen]

After the solemn departure of Menel and Nogrod the other singers retired to their dressing rooms, most to sleep -(one perchance to dream!), one went aspying and three went a plotting. The cloaked and masked Critics at last decided who their victim should be this night and went to their victim's dressing room.

It's occupant was not sleeping but sang a plangent and appropriate aria:

Pastorello (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zK2pIbthlRM) d'un povero armento,
pur dorme contento,
sotto l'ombra d'un faggio o d'alloro.
Io, d'un teatro monarca fastoso,
non trovo riposo,
sotto l'ombra di porpora e d'oro.


The beauty of his voice did not stop the critics from making their barbed attacks but to their suprise their jibes did not have the desired effect. The door opened to reveal the Phantom.

"Fools, do you think you can hurt me? Do you think you can make me leave here?"

"What do you mean" demanded the Critics as they pursued him down the stairs and passages of the opera house while making futile and snide comments about his tessitura. He did not respond until he reached the banks of the underground river - a grotto really created by the sea in a chasm of the rock on which Dol Amroth was built. He stepped in to a small boat and cast off.

"Do you mean you are the divo?" , cried the critics.

"You need to ask? You knew I was the Phantom of the Opera! Yes I was a divo but I am not THE Divo. I am the Opera Ghost ."

"Err what does that mean exactly" asked one of the confused critics.

"It means you can't get rid of me, only disenfranchise me" he replied " I won't be able to vote but I am not going anywhere".

[the phantom]

Awwww.... did someone want to get rid of me?

Heh heh heh.

[Mithalwen]

Remaining
Sally, soprano
Lariren , soprano, Ithilien
Feanor of the Peredhil, Belfalas (mezzo-)soprano
Ilya, mezzo-soprano, vales of Anduin.
Brinniel, mezzo-soprano, Harad
Kath contralto
Aganzir, Minas Tirith contralto
Gwathagor (Gwathagorio), lyric tenor/spinto Sindar of Eriador
Shastanis Althreduin (tenor leggierio / lyric tenor)
Strongbow, Bowissimo of Lossarnach
Macalaure (Barney Broadbottle), a Bree-lander from Staddle, Baritone
Gollum the Great - bass-baritone
TGWBS - bass, woodwose,
Boromir 88 basso profundo, Rohan
Cailineomer, trouser role, Forodwaith

You're not singing anymore:

Meneltarmacil - baritone err Nazgul from Minal Morgul ORDO
Nogrod - lyric tenor in the end, Old Forest ORDO

You're not voting anymore.

The Phantom (Opera Ghost) Err that was the suprise I mentioned. Oh come on you knew I wouldn't want to be parted...

Soulmates may now PM
Critics stop talking.


Deadline ....well I am late again so I will give you till 6.15 by Downs time tomorrow.

Note Phantom may not vote and does not count in the ordo v critic tally. We just have the pleasure of his company.

[Boromir88]

That's got to be the best thing I've seen happen ever haha

[the phantom]

That's got to be the best thing I've seen happen ever haha
Expect the best when Mith is the Queen.

[the guy who be short]

Ho-Ho-Ho! Wild Man have Deep Laugh!

Although one less innocent, still we can hear theory from phantom! This good, for phantom wise. Like have extra diva/o, singer for all to rally around!

This good new make up for last night double-lynch, think Wild Man.

[Lariren Shadow]

Does that usually happen? Not that I'm complaining because the phantom is fun to play with(so I've heard and enjoyed for one day) but has this happened before? Its awesome though. Extra help and such.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

So is the phantom now permanently alive?

Oh, I had another question...

Bah, I have to go to class. And I'm teaching it, so I legit have to go.

I'll be back ish5.

[Ilya]

Brilliant. :D :D :D

And it only works because it's true.