WWLVIII: Escape From Angband (or Behavioral Modification)

[satansaloser2005]

Just saw this....

Well this wasn't as enlightening as I thought. At least I now know who I won't vote for. The game setup allows too many people to get away with little, which leaves us completely in the dark about them. Eventually we have to go start lynch them. Come on folks, I'm not exactly keeping up with mine, and I haven't been modfired yet. ;)

And yo' momma's a hamster.



Don't tempt me, dear one.:Merisu:

[Gwathagor]

*prepares a spear and waits for Sally to slip Gwath's vulnerable spot*

Didn't you know? They can only kill me with a golden bullet.

[Gwathagor]

Blankity-Blank List (I don't want to, but I'm going to try anyway)

More Susicious
Lariren - Her tone seems artificial to me. It would be better if I had some examples, but I remember thinking this when I read. If I come across an example of what I mean, I'll point it out.
Rikae - Her posts rub me the wrong way, but they always do. I wouldn't put much stock by the fact that I'm wary of her, but I reckon you all deserve to know anyway.
Mac - His line, "if only [Nogrod's] points against Durelin wouldn't make so much sense", seems somehow underhanded to me - as if he was trying to encourage suspicion against Durelin without drawing attention to himself.

Don't Know
Nilp
Mith
...and other people I've missed?

More Innocent
Brinniel - Short posts are awesome!
Nogrod - He seemed cobblerish to me yesterDay, but I didn't get that sense at all toDay.
Isabellkya - I tried to get a rise out of her by questioning her claim to have identified the seer. Her response was pretty low-key in a way that seems to have the ring of innocence.
Durelin - She seems genuine and honest to me toDay.
Fea - I sense no guile whatsoever in her posts.

[Isabellkya]

It seems that for all intents and purposes - Shasta was dead. Just taking quite a long time to reach that state. So really should we be looking too deeply into anything he monologued during that time? I think not.

X'd with Gwath

[satansaloser2005]

*snickers*

[Kath]

I'm a bit lost at the moment. There seem to be secret messages or if not secret then messages that I don't understand at any rate and a lot of randomness and our mods cluttering up the thread. :p So I'm going to run through the player list, see if I end up with anything. I think I'm just going to have a look at the second Day though, Day 1 was just ... too mad.

Fea - despite whatever these restrictions are I think she could post something of some use. As with Nilp, one more Day.

Brinn - after her complaints I voted for her because she only bantered at a time when she hadn't had a chance to get back online her first post toDay is annoying bantery.

Wilwa - poor thing got blasted by Mac! The 'maybe the wolves killed him/her because they thought they were the Seer' argument always comes up and although I think his argument was somewhat over the top I think wilwa has been evil enough times that she would know Seer comments on a Day when there had been no Night for a dream is pretty unlikely.

Durelin - not entirely seeing Mac and Nog's suspicion of her. Her first post of the Day seems pretty solid even though she was wrong about the Ranger thing. Interesting catch on Mira's lover comment.

Nogrod - good catch on the one kill and what it might mean. Odd argument back against Mac though. Haha I think anyone playing this game via banter alone will want to kill him for his comments toDay.

Izzy - I don't know whether it's because I saw sally's post explaining Shasta before I read through the thread but Izzy did seem to be very slow catching that he was Mira's grief-mad lover. Again though I'm not sure that speaks to guilt or innocence. Really odd post from her about who might be a duck, it just seems to have come out of nowhere and doesn't feel like her usual style.

Rikae - I forget how aggressive her playing style is sometimes. Of course she's the same way whether innocent or guilty but I have to remember to sort of mentally step backward at some of her comments. I'm only mentioning that because I think she has the same problem as Gwath sometimes in that her posting style gets her lynched.

Lari - her confusion over the lover role doesn't suggest anything one way or the other. Not convinced though about this confusion over the types of baddies: Well there goes my whole "maybe there isn't one because only, sort of, Mira died". After the previous part of the post it's a bit odd.

Mac - some interesting thoughts about why the ducks would kill Mira. Argumentative toDay! For all he knows we have a contingent of newbies as the ducks.

Gwath - looked helpful at the beginning of the Day but as we know the narration holds no clues not so much any more. That said he did pick up on the lover stuff. Back to his not so helpful style again now though.

Lommy - liking Lommy so far toDay, maybe just 'cause she's arguing back, but I think that's a good sign.

Nilp - not exactly helpful. I'd say one more Day's grace to see if he decides to play the game or carry on as he is.

So, what have I got?

No idea - as I was going through I just couldn't see anything that interesting from the first three, the others for reasons above:
Nienna
Mith
Nerwen
Nilp
Fea
Nog - just can't decide on him.

Possibly innocent:
Lommy
Mac - for all that I said I think he's an impassioned innocent.
Rikae
Durelin

Possibly not:
Gwath - having been given a Day's grace from sally, in fact having needed to have a Day's grace from sally he could try to help out more.
Lari
Izzy
wilwa
Brinn

That's about where I am right now.

EDIT: I put my list into paragraphs because it was very hard to read.

[Mithalwen]

Didn't you know? They can only kill me with a golden bullet.

not softly with their songs?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Would trust on ides of March with knife:

Fea
Brinn
LariLess:

Nienna
Macalaure
Durelin
Lommy
Mith
RikaeWould handcuff inside burning house with hack saw in reaching distance. Would wait outside, watching.

Nogrod
Kath
Gwath
Nilp
wilwa
Izzy
NerwenFor now.

Do any members of my generation remember that game that used to be packaged with... I think... Super Mario?

Features dog. Proves dog is helpful, as long as duck is visible. Good game. Liked that game. Like dogs. Faithful. Unlike people.

[Gwathagor]

Gwath - having been given a Day's grace from sally, in fact having needed to have a Day's grace from sally he could try to help out more.


Agreed.

[Brinniel]

Some thoughts:

While I do disagree with him on some things, Nogrod does look innocent for the most part.

I think Fea would have more interest and enthusiasm if she had a special role, in spite of any strict behavioural requirements she may have. So my guess is she's probably an ordo.

Rikae also looks innocentish to me. I actually do believe her on some things, even if she is a liar.

Izzy seems a bit lost. I'm not sure what that means. Maybe innocence?

As for my suspects:

Umm yeah...I'll get back to you on that one...

[wilwarin538]

Wilwa - poor thing got blasted by Mac! The 'maybe the wolves killed him/her because they thought they were the Seer' argument always comes up and although I think his argument was somewhat over the top I think wilwa has been evil enough times that she would know Seer comments on a Day when there had been no Night for a dream is pretty unlikely.

I don't completely understand what you're trying to say here. o.O Especially the "blasted by Mac" thing, did I miss something? I seem to remember Mac thinking me sane...

Anyway, I'm leaning more and more towards voting for Gwath, he's really starting to urk me. I hadn't gotten the chance before to go back and read all his posts (had to go pick up my brother unexpectidely), but I will do that right now.

X'posted with Brinn

[Isabellkya]

Care to elaborate on how I'm "lost"?

[Mithalwen]

[QUOTE=Brinniel;590173]

Rikae also looks innocentish to me. I actually do believe her on some things, even if she is a liar.

QUOTE]

Ummm sorry to go thought police-ish and I am sure no offence was intended but as a general rule I think it better to say
if she is lying rather than if she is a liar.

It depersonalises it and recognises that one's behaviour in WW is not indicative of character generally....

[Thinlómien]

If it's clear evidence, O flightless feathered fortune-teller, what does it clearly show?I don't know but it is evidence nevertheless! Maybe "concrete" would be a better word than "clear", anyway...

Good catch on Gwath, Wilwa. He may be worth suspicion...

Lynch:
Lommy.Why? (And I guess the same could be asked on behalf of Nienna.)

Could be, because there is no seer Gwath.
How can you know that?

I don't like Mith's eagerness to protect Nilp. I know she likes him, he hasn't played for a while and they have this mum-son joke but really, it could so easily be a cover for something more sinister...

Didn't you know? They can only kill me with a golden bullet.Werebear! :p

edit: xed with from Brinn onwards, added a smiley (criminal, I know)

[Mithalwen]

I don't like Mith's eagerness to protect Nilp. I know she likes him, he hasn't played for a while and they have this mum-son joke but really, it could so easily be a cover for something more sinister...

)


Trying to deflect attention from yourself Miss Duck? Hardly a major issue since there isn't a lot to look at from him and since I am as sure as duck eggs are duck eggs that you and Nienna are feathered I am more interested in attack than protection.. even of my boy.. If we could dispose of you both today and tonight then we will be well on our way...

[Thinlómien]

Inncentish
Wilwa - seems innocent and genuinely sensible; one of the few people who don't make me continuously think "what the heck"
Fea - still looks like an ordo with weird reqs
Izzy - pretty much the same as Wilwa, except for the mysterious seer comment
Nienna - would like more substance from her, but she does have an innocent air
Dury - the exact mixture of reasonability and craziness that could signify foolproof innocence... I just don't like her points against me

In between
Nerwen - honestly, no clue
Mith - either has some "wife of phantom, mum of Nilp" ordo role or is hiding a darker secret
Rikae - half of me says "cobbler!" and half says "innocent!"... go figure
Kath - seems like her normal self, ergo no clue

Not too good
Noggie - he just really seems a bit off, very cranky and jumpy. Nogood. ;)
Gwath - is making weird jokes about self, also, wilwa had a good point about him
Nilp - somehow... distracting, gives the impression of being up to no good
Brinn - my gut says I can't trust her
Lari - just feels... wrong
Mac - sending coded messages... some kind of mischevious person, I bet

edit: xed with Mith

[Thinlómien]

Trying to deflect attention from yourself Miss Duck? Hardly a major issue since there isn't a lot to look at from him and since I am as sure as duck eggs are duck eggs that you and Nienna are feathered I am more interested in attack than protection.. even of my boy.. If we could dispose of you both today and tonight then we will be well on our way...The attention was on me? I didn't notice. :p And even if it was, would I not be allowed to talk about anything else than myself? :rolleyes: Everybody always accuses me of that... *le sigh*

[Kath]

No wilwa, you said it was possible that the ducks killed Mira because of a Seer hint and Mac then went on a rant about how no sensible ducks would go for that idea because a good Seer would try to stay hidden until they had useful information. That's what I meant about Mac blasting you rather than 'blasted Mac'.

[Mithalwen]

OK no more time but with one of my most confident votes ever

++Thinlomien

Feel free to bandwaggon. :D

[Thinlómien]

No wilwa, you said it was possible that the ducks killed Mira because of a Seer hint and Mac then went on a rant about how no sensible ducks would go for that idea because a good Seer would try to stay hidden until they had useful information. That's what I meant about Mac blasting you rather than 'blasted Mac'.Actually Wilwa just agreed with me saying that. I think.

edit: xed with Mith... nice

[Mithalwen]

I think so.... far preferable to bandwaggonning ordos...

*goes for hoisin, spring onions, cucumber and pancakes*

Goodnight.

[Kath]

I need to vote very soon. I'm leaning towards Gwath and Lari I think. I feel a little bad for voting Gwath because yes he does go early but he hasn't helped himself toDay. Lari I think is showing far too much confusion for someone who played the last game so well.

[Nienna]

Ok my analysis as promised:

Fea - is being strangely silent. I expected better of you my dear. You have mad skilz and I’m sure you can figure out how to post lots even with a requirement. I’m thinking right now that she is an ordo. The one weird thing though, was her meta vote for Brinn.

Brinn – posts one-liners for the most part but that could be a requirement and she has said some good things so I’m leaning toward innocent.

Wilwa – seems reasonable.

Durelin – has a lot of suspicion surrounding her and I’m not really sure why… maybe the slip thing yesterDay started it and it’s snowballed. She could go either way.

Nogrod – has the most stuff under his name in my notebook… so that is interesting in and of itself… he gets kind of defensive and wonders why no one is duck-hunting… though after that he doesn’t really try to hunt any ducks himself… interesting.

Izzy – makes some good points but then votes Lari for no particular reason other than to not join a Legate bandwagon. I don’t know if she is a Duck but I’m getting evil vibes from her none the less

Nerwen – the cheerleader thing is a bit annoying but not really her fault. She hasn’t particularly said much so I would like to hear a bit more from her.

Rikae – I’m suspicious of if only because she is suspicious me (for no apparent reason).

Mith – Same except on a whole new level. She is pretty darn convinced that I’m a duck. I don’t even want to buy a duck. P.S. you should watch The Princess Bride (or even better read the book) it is fabulous.

Kath – Seems pretty logical. Her list was pretty epic.

Lari – I really have no idea about her. She could be anything on any side.

Mac – I’m leaning toward innocent. He’s made some good points but I don’t really know.

Nienna – Titanium White.

Gwath – hasn’t said much… and what he has said has been out of perceived necessity not because he wanted to actually contribute.

Lommy – I have no idea.

Nilp – hasn’t really posted enough of substance for me to even begin to try and analyze.

*Disclaimer* So I could totally be off base on like all of these and if so I apologize. *Disclaimer*

[Kath]

Kath – Seems pretty logical. Her list was pretty epic.
Haha! Oh Nienna if you think that was an epic list you need to talk to Aganzir. She'll tell you about my lists. :D

[Durelin]

Okay, I have returned in a slightly different mood - here's a more negative list...yesss...

Evilish

Lari - I really hope she's around more toDay. She has a ton of posts and seems to be around but really doesn't do much. YesterDay it was all banter, one list and a vote. ToDay it's just been asking questions and speculating on lovers and the werebear. What she posts 'on topic' you could say just seems rather fabricated, like she's trying to seem like she's a part of things and thinking about things by mostly just asking questions from the sidelines. The "are there clues in the narration" question bothered me.

Lommy - Part of me says she does not have her usual direction because she is a wolf trying hard to fabricate some things, part of me says she's not being careful enough to be a wolf. All I know is that ever since that game where she andphantom were wolves I suspect her a lot more. She's certainly not playing like she was then - she was extremely cool and smooth then along with frivolous. Here she seems more flustered and less on top of things. But that may be because she's come under a bit of pressure.

Mac and Nogrod for acting like they have some big argument against me when they don't.

Creepy

Brinniel - She seems more flippant/frivolous than usual, kinda similar to Lommy.
Gwath - I don't know what it is. I think it's that he actually made a list. :p
wilwa
Mith - For some reason her being so certain seems really weird to me. Maybe I'm just not used to a certain Mith. :D
Kath - I always find her creepy.
Nilp - Because.

No Idea
Fea
Nienna

Mayyybe Innocent
Rikae - Maybe not really...but I really don't think she's a duck.
Nerwen
Izzy

[Kath]

Right, I'm leaving so:

++LARI

I would almost rather vote Gwath for the attitude but I warned against that with Rikae earlier so I can't do that. I also think Lari knows much more than she is saying.

[wilwarin538]

K Kath, I gotcha now, and ya I believe I had just agreed with Lommy about that.

Anyway, re-reading Gwath's and Lari's posts again, I definitely will vote for one of them, leaning more towards Gwath for sure though. This is really just a quick peek in, I won't make it on again for a couple more hours and then will probably vote then.

x'posted with Kath

[Isabellkya]

Nog is darn feathery. I think he is a Duck for reasons stated previously. Whether or not he is a WereDuck - well I'm not omniscient.

Mac - is feathery as well, for reasons stated previously as well. I think he is more WereDuck than Nog is. Only because it seems more like Nog is under the restraint/pressure of his posting requirement/obligation.

Lari.
A couple of questions and comments.


As for how many different things we have I think we have at least more than one Hunter, Ranger, and Seer.
Why did you think that?


As for taking what people post...we were given instructions on how to post and how to act.
Who are/is the "we"?

Her thinking that a WereBear's kill was blocked - when there was no mention of such in the plot and the idea about a Good Cobbler.. are kind of confusing.
I'd say she is probably a Duck, leaning towards Were. She seems really confident in terms of the Banter-play. Yet when it comes down to actual theorizing, she downplays her ideas. Which is highly reminiscent of the last game - where she was evil.

I'll probably vote for either Nog, Mac or Lari. Though I'm going to go through Brin, Wilwa and Nienna as well.

X'd since Lommy's #516.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I’m sure you can figure out how to post lots even with a requirement.

...

The one weird thing though, was her meta vote for Brinn.

Won't happen again.

[Gwathagor]

Anyway, I'm leaning more and more towards voting for Gwath, he's really starting to urk me.

Irk!

[Nienna]

Won't happen again.

I'm not sure if that makes me feel any better about it...

[Nogrod]

Nogrod – has the most stuff under his name in my notebook… so that is interesting in and of itself… he gets kind of defensive and wonders why no one is duck-hunting… though after that he doesn’t really try to hunt any ducks himself… interesting.No wonder you had most stuff under my name as I had time on my hands on Day1 and tried to do my best to throw some real suspicion left and right to see how people would react and to catch the ducks. And I really hoped some others would have tried that approach too. Sadly a very few tried and that is the reason why we are this clueless at this point of the game. ToDay I have been busy and have only been able to catch up with the thread a few times and post only short comments. And it's now 2.30AM here as I at last have spare time in my hands. But I'll will do my best before going to sleep.

To be sure, I think I have learned a thing or two from my inqueries yesterDay - and comments on them toDay. A person who is going for responses should also be able to consider when a trial proves negative (or if not "proved" negative, there could be reasons enough to make it look like a probable missfire). The ducks can stay consistent with their suspicions and look smooth but we innocents need to try and bounce the ball here and there, considering and reconsidering as we go, for we don't have the knowledge the ducks have.

It would be great if we had more of these reactions and possibilities of thinking / rethinking things but sadly there was little of that on offer on Day1 and most of toDay.

The latest posting looks a bit more promising though and I'm happy about it. Hoping to add to that in a moment...

[Gwathagor]

OK no more time but with one of my most confident votes ever

++Thinlomien

Feel free to bandwaggon. :D

I am beginning to consider it.

[Gwathagor]

I would almost rather vote Gwath for the attitude but I warned against that with Rikae earlier so I can't do that. I also think Lari knows much more than she is saying.

It's my manner, sir. It seems insubordinate but it isn't really.

[Nienna]

I am beginning to consider it.

O horrible, O horrible, most horrible that bandwagoning be.

[Gwathagor]

Anyway, re-reading Gwath's and Lari's posts again, I definitely will vote for one of them, leaning more towards Gwath for sure though. This is really just a quick peek in, I won't make it on again for a couple more hours and then will probably vote then.



It does not seem to me that you have made much of a case against me, beyond the fact that I listed Legate in the wrong category in that particular list. I'd like to hear your other points against me and see if I can answer them.

[Gwathagor]

I'll give Nogrod a break for once and suggest we let him live a while.


I agree with Mith here. I think Nogrod's last post had a lot of sense in it; in order to catch ducks, we have to be willing to shake things around somewhat and try to flush them out. They're all too happy at this point in the game to let the status quo conceal them.

[Gwathagor]

Good catch on Gwath, Wilwa. He may be worth suspicion...



I'm still trying to figure out how that was a "catch," and what it's supposed to prove. As far as I can tell, you're just trying to amplify an otherwise small point against me it into a big case, without really committing yourself. It's all in the phrasing: "catch" is a loaded term that implies a "slip" on my part, which means I must be evil.

[wilwarin538]

It does not seem to me that you have made much of a case against me, beyond the fact that I listed Legate in the wrong category in that particular list. I'd like to hear your other points against me and see if I can answer them.

Well basically just the frequent, short posts and your overall attitude, I just don't like it. Kinda like why I'm iffy about Lari, all the banter and such just doesn't sit well with me. I honestly wish I could give you more, but I don't have it. There's just a large amount of people that aren't striking me as being guilty, mostly just insane, probably cause of Sally's assignments. It's making the game very interesting in that there aren't many I find suspicious, I'm just really hoping to get lucky.

x'posted with 2 more from Gwath

[Thinlómien]

I'm still trying to figure out how that was a "catch," and what it's supposed to prove. As far as I can tell, you're just trying to amplify an otherwise small point against me it into a big case, without really committing yourself.That you voted Legate even though you suspected others more. I don't buy the "oops wrong category" explanation. You acted purposefully to get a dangerous innocent out of your way and to cast an easy vote and now you're coming up with excuses that cannot be proven right or wrong, quite clever. Therefore:

++Gwathagor

I still don't get why people suspect me, but I won't stay here to argue. I'm off to bed. Choose wisely, friends! :)


edit: xed with Wilwa

[Gwathagor]

That you voted Legate even though you suspected others more. I don't buy the "oops wrong category" explanation. You acted purposefully to get a dangerous innocent out of your way and to cast an easy vote and now you're coming up with excuses that cannot be proven right or wrong, quite clever.

Do you disagree that he was more suspicious than the others?

[Gwathagor]

Well basically just the frequent, short posts and your overall attitude, I just don't like it. Kinda like why I'm iffy about Lari, all the banter and such just doesn't sit well with me. I honestly wish I could give you more, but I don't have it.

I honestly wish you could too.

[Nogrod]

I am amidst of writing a longer post and let Lommy to take the computer for a moment making her vote and go to sleep. And what she said about Gwath actually makes me think again.
That you voted Legate even though you suspected others more. I don't buy the "oops wrong category" explanation. You acted purposefully to get a dangerous innocent out of your way and to cast an easy vote and now you're coming up with excuses that cannot be proven right or wrong, quite clever.I have not yet looked back to see whether Lommy twisted that situation (I will look back there the next), but if true, that is a fair point. Or what do you say Gwath?

EDIT: x'd with Gwath X2

[Gwathagor]

You acted purposefully to get a dangerous innocent out of your way and to cast an easy vote and now you're coming up with excuses that cannot be proven right or wrong, quite clever.

How would I have known he was dangerous? Why have you latched on to my vote, when there were other votes that were more decisive than mine in getting him lynched? It looks an awful like you're trying "to get a dangerous innocent out of your way."

[Brinniel]

Care to elaborate on how I'm "lost"?
Asking a lot of questions, seeming like you're a bit confused on some things. Maybe you're not; I just got that impression. Of course a lot of us are probably confused...

Ummm sorry to go thought police-ish and I am sure no offence was intended but as a general rule I think it better to say
if she is lying rather than if she is a liar.
No, no, that's not what I meant at all. I was trying to say it in a jesting manner after Rikae made some sort of comment about how Nogrod knows she lies. I should've added a smiley, I suppose. Sorry. :o

[Gwathagor]

I am amidst of writing a longer post and let Lommy to take the computer for a moment making her vote and go to sleep. And what she said about Gwath actually makes me think again.
I have not yet looked back to see whether Lommy twisted that situation (I will look back there the next), but if true, that is a fair point. Or what do you say Gwath?

I primarily object to Lommy's representation of my motives. She makes it seem as though putting Legate in my less suspicious category and then voting for him anyway was all part of a scheme on my part to get rid of an innocent whom I knew to be a particular threat. What could I, as a duck, have hoped to have gained from drawing attention to myself by voting for someone I had put in my less suspicious category? If it was a plot, then it was a poorly conceived one.

[Nogrod]

Okay Gwath. If you were a duck, you would be more than happy if Legate - who was not your mate but an enemy - was not around. And yes there were other votes that were more decisive, but mostly the wolves (wereducks) shy away from making the decisive votes anyway.

Do I have to remind you about your own post? (That is all from the same post.)

Suspicious
Rikae
Nogrod
Sally!
Sort of Suspicious
Legate
Durelin
...
Legate's vote for Durelin looks pretty bad to me, but I don't think that a clever wolf would do anything quite that obvious.
...
++LegateSo you had me and Rikae as your most suspicious candidates - and you made a reservation that a clever wereduck would not be "that obvious" as Legate was when voting Dury "for experiment" as it was... But you still managed to vote him out of me, Rikae or Dury.

I must say I don't like this picture I get from here.

And on a second note: I do not like the way people got carried away with this Legate-vote in the first place. Yes, he acted strangely, but would a wereduck act that strangely? Still so many of you were more than happy to grasp that possibility of making an "easy vote". If some of you are innocents you should be shamed of yourselves... :confused:

I need to look at that tally as well once again.

PS. I saw your answer Gwath and will consider it as well as I go back to the voting of yesterDay...

[Gwathagor]

More than anything, it just seems like she is trying to take something small, blow it out of proportion, and get me lynched.

EDIT: Shoot, crossed with Master Nogrod

[Macalaure]

I'm feeling better about Nogrod and I don't think a vote for Durelin will gather much support. Gwath and Lari seem to be in a bit of a danger of lynching, but I think both are innocent. I also feel better about Fea, Mith, and Nienna, leaving Brinn, Kath, Lommy, and Nilp as possibilities. I'm far too doubtful about all of these except Lommy, who I'm a bit more suspicious of now, and since she already has a vote, I will accept Mith's invitation and go

++Thinlómien

Because I agree with what Mith and Gwath said about her.

[wilwarin538]

Well, I'm afraid I can't stay up as late as I thought I'd be able to, so I will be voting now and then going off to bed:

++Gwathagor

Good luck everyone, and hopefully I get lucky again toNight and am still here next Day!

x'posted since Gwath's last

[Rikae]

I think I'll vote and sign off for the night. I have a date with a typewriter eating tinfoil being kicked down the stairs.

Mith is very nice and thoughtful :), but just too confident. Too much confidence = evil. At least, that's the theory I'm going to go with.

++Mith

[Brinniel]

I'm feeling rather uncomfortable with wilwa right now. While she's perfectly aware of behavioural assignments, she doesn't take into account that someone's attitude, use of banter, and post counts could be an assignment too. Which is why I find her reasons for suspicion to be very weak.

Lommy doesn't sit right with me either. It's not really how she says things, but what she says...if that makes any sense. I wonder if we're dealing with an evil Lommy this time...

EDIT: X-ed since Gwath (#546)

[Gwathagor]

Okay Gwath. If you were a duck, you would be more than happy if Legate - who was not your mate but an enemy - was not around.

That is true. However, if I was looking for an easy lynch, I surely wouldn't have risked starting an unnecessary bandwagon. I believe that there were several other people who had already received votes at that time, and I could have easily gone with one of them.

[Brinniel]

Hmm...does anyone know what the vote count is as of now?

[Gwathagor]

Thinlomien: 2
Gwath: 2
Mith: 1

I think that is it, at any rate.

[Nogrod]

Read yourselves... (So these are the Legate-voters after Gwath initiated it)

His vote as an experiment bothered me... experiments are controlled environments where only one variable has been changed... this is nowhere near being a controlled environment. Sorry i just went all psych major... Now as long as no one confuses correlation and causation we should be fine.

So, for the most part I'm not overly suspicious of any of them, most of them actually I don't really have a read on at all, but I need to vote so here it goes, hopefully it all works out: I'm being honest when I say that this vote is not as founded on any suspicion as I would like.

Of the three that are tied, I find him most suspicious. I'd rather see him go than Lari or Durelin.

Legate for the vengeful part of me.

I don't like any of them to be sure. Too easy, too "avoiding" all of them... and looking like there is a relief that one could take the route others had taken: just read them one after another and see the developement...

Gah. This is getting hard indeed.

[Lariren Shadow]

Fea: I have absolutely no idea about her. I’m leaning towards a more innocent vibe, but then again I think I’m always bad at reading her.

Brinn: I’m thinking slightly more innocent, but I’m not entirely sure either.

Wilwa: Everytime I read her posts they just, rub me the wrong way. I can’t really point out about it, but I just get a bad vibe.

Dury: I know she really wants me to answer questions and wonders why I keep disappearing and the answer is that I come back, read through, and then can post one line and then I have to go do something else. As for what I think of Dury I think she is sounding pretty innocent. YesterDay I thought her whole “we have to really start talking” just sounded guilty so that was the vote.

Nog: He is seemingly slightly more innocent to me. I really can’t say what it is, but earlier I suspected him and then I looked through his posts again and he seems more innocent again.

Izzy: I have absolutely no read on her.

Nerwen: I really wish I could say more about her too. I have nothing right now.

Rikae: Seems slightly guilty to me. She is just, rubbing me wrong in her posts is all.

Mith: I don’t like her posts either. They just seem not right. I’m more inclinded to think she is more guilty than not.

Kath: I have no idea.

Mac: Am sorry I call you Bubbles. However, I do think you are also slightly guilty in your posts. That whole rant, while I agree, looking back over it, could be a Duck/Wolf in hiding.

Nienna: Says a lot of Shakespeare stuff. Which makes methink she has something important about her, but I’m not sure if that is evil or not.

Gwath: He’s feeling innocent to me. His post don’t seem to scream anything horrible to me. I really can’t say more.

Lommy: Is looking slightly guilty.

Nilp: No clue what so ever.

So to sum things up:

Guilty/Feelings of Guilt:
Lommy
Bubbles
Mith
Rikae
Wilwa

Innocent/Feelings of Innocent:
Gwath
Nog
Dury
Brinn

No Clue:
Nilp
Nienna
Kath
Nerwen
Izzy
Fea

Lari.
A couple of questions and comments.


Why did you think that?


Just do. I think there is a Seer because that seems like an unfair advantage to the village. I also am more inclined to think that, at least in this, since Sally said everyone was going to have a role or be a tricked out ordo, I was thinking with the sheer number that there are all three: Seer, Ranger, and Hunter.


Who are/is the "we"?

The village. Everyone is we. I'm not using the royal we here.

That is all I really have to say right now. I shall check this after posting and think about my vote. As for right now I shall continue watching Mulan.

[Gwathagor]

The best of them won't come for money. They'll come for me.

[Isabellkya]

Brin. I think I'll move her into the ? pile. There is very little to go off of. Mostly it is banter and commentary. Though when she does make a "serious" post - it is sensible.
-----

Wilwa.

In your post #459 you say you are pretty sure about Lommy, Rikae, Brin and Nog. Sure in what way?

After re-reading her posts, I think I got her confused with Mira and thus lumped her in the chatty-Kathy group. There isn't a whole lot to go off of, however she seems quite sensible in her posts. Though, I'm still curious as to why Shasta chose her for his revenge kill. She goes into the allergic-to-Duck group for now.
-----

Nienna, Nienna, Nienna.
I've really no idea now. She has a number of posts, which say very little of nothing. She'll go into the ? group.


I now feel my time could have been better spent. Ah well.
Mac, Nog, Lari. One of you will get my vote.


X'd since Gwath's #536.

[Gwathagor]

So long as the village fights tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people -- greedy, barbarous, and cruel.

[Lariren Shadow]

Vote Count:
Mith→Lommy
Kath → Lari
Lommy→ Gwath
Bubbles→Lommy (2)
Wilwa→ Gwath (2)
Rikae → Mith

Lommy and Gwath 2, Mith and Lari 1

Left to vote: Lari, Fea, Nienna, Brinn, Nog, Izzy, Nerwen, Dury, Gwath, and Nilp

[Nogrod]

That is true. However, if I was looking for an easy lynch, I surely wouldn't have risked starting an unnecessary bandwagon. I believe that there were several other people who had already received votes at that time, and I could have easily gone with one of them.Do I have to get more worried about you now? Did you think back then that you were starting a bandwagon, or risking to start one you now afterwards call "unnecessary" or is this just trying to explain things afterwards?

Going with some of those who had already received votes might have been much more risky as then you might have been the one dealing the killing blow of an innocent or at least being an integral part of the lynch, right (if you're a duck that is and thence as you knew it)? Legate was an easy target because of the queer post he made talking about experimenting with his vote. A gift for a baddie...

But looking at the other Legate-voters and their reasons for it... well they don't look any more innocent - and it would be a spectacular situation if all of you five were baddies...

[Gwathagor]

Do I have to get more worried about you now? Did you think back then that you were starting a bandwagon, or risking to start one you now afterwards call "unnecessary" or is this just trying to explain things afterwards?


I was speaking hypothetically. If I was a duck, voting for Legate would have been risking an unnecessary bandwagon. So, no, you shouldn't be more worried about me now. I just want my common ration of humanity, and I was only talking that way because of the context of our discussion.

[Gwathagor]

Ok, I have to vote very soon. I will probably vote Lommy, unless something crazy happens to change my mind.

[Nerwen]

YAY!!!!1111!!!!

Another great dilemma!

Gwath...?
Lommy...?
Gwath...?
Lommy...?

Let's see:

Gwath did that strange thing (pointed out by wilwarin) of voting someone he didn't list in the "most suspicious" category. Then, toDay, his manner has been off...quite a lot like a Gwathwolf... but then Lommy is going after him heavily, and she doesn't feel right either.

(somebody else...?)

Mac is acting rather like he's trying to tell somebody something... bit like Mac Ferny a couple of games back...
Mith is too confident...
and Rikae is too confident in voting her...
Durelin has mostly seemed okay, but there is that Day One apparent slip– I don't think she's explained that properly...
And Nogrod has been kind of jumpy and weird, though not so much lately...

Decisions, decisions!:D:cool::smokin:

EDIT: x'd since Brinniel at #554. So much reading to catch up on! Cool!

[Nienna]

I still don't really know who to vote for... I'm leaning toward either Gwath or Mith ...

Gwath is posting a lot but he it doesn't seem like he is contributing much and what he is saying seems to be trying to hint in his posts as they don't make a lot of sense but I won't hold random posts against him as it may be a posting requirement but i still think he is secretly communicating and that makes me slightly nervous.

Mith is like gunning against Lommy and I and yet she gives like no reasoning which makes me nervous. She also said that I'm irritating... I don't think I'm being irritating but if I am... I'm sorry... :(

X-ed with Gwath and Nerwen

[Isabellkya]

Lari.
I had read it meaning, you thought there were more than one of each. Which is what I was asking. Must've read it wrong then.

[Gwathagor]

Then, toDay, his manner has been off...quite a lot like a Gwathwolf... but then Lommy is going after him heavily, and she doesn't feel right either.


I've explained this already! My manner - it seems insubordinate, but it isn't really.

[Nogrod]

Just sending you what I had made of my "lengthier post" before things started to happen (editing out those parts that have now changed because of the latest discussions and which I have already commented on).

I haven’t gotten myself rid of my bad vibes with Dury but I’m the first to admit she does more than a host of other players around – and as the situation will start to clear a bit she could be caught if she’s a baddie. So on the point of a principle and a long term good I’m very much unwilling to check her loyalties by lynching her toDay, mainly due to her efforts today. She plays unlike many others do.

Also her points on Lommy (as well as those made by Mith) look sensible. It’s probably the first time I’m really uneasy with Lommy due to her posting. There is something overtly careful in her posts and in her avoidance of debate – unless it is defending her case which she does a bit over the top this time.

Mith’s point about that vote being one of her “most confident votes ever” looks interesting but innocent enough to me at this time. I mean she rarely lies even if she is a baddie... and that is a comment she would just not make if she would have to vote against her conscience.

The grumpy Mac looks to me more innocent than guilty. I think I do see where he is coming from and it makes me feel better about him.

Kath has just shown her qualities and I will not be voting her toDay. I trusted she could pull it off and well she did it eventually.

I’m inclined to trust Fea too – as well as Brinn. But I’m not sure why Fea lists Lari as a trusted one as well as there I do disagree. Just out-of-the-game friendship or something other?

With Nienna I would agree on Izzy feeling foul even if she looks good – and disagree with her on Rikae and say she looks foul but feels good.

[Brinniel]

I could vote for Lommy or wilwa.

I'm uncomfortable with wilwa and the fact that Shasta chose to pursue out of anyone else just makes me suspect her more.

I also find Lommy suspicious and would definitely rather see her die than Gwath. Gwath just looks like the easy lynch of the Day (as always) and people are too eager to jump on him simply because of his posting style. After all, it's his attitude that always seems to make him so lynchable in every game. So I think going after him for that reason alone is very poor indeed.

[Durelin]

Agh, almost lost track of the time...but here I am. I can't believe there are so many left to vote still, but it does always seem to end up this way.

I will probably either vote for Lari or Lommy but I'm going to look over the latest stuff real quick...

[Nogrod]

I'm uncomfortable with wilwa and the fact that Shasta chose to pursue out of anyone else just makes me suspect her more.
Now Shasta was an ordo-lover with only Day1 hunches with him... How come it is making you think he was somehow right just because he was proven innocent as you yourself - if you're an innocent - were wrong with your Day1 hunch? :rolleyes:

[Nienna]

So if we continue to not lynch Gwath because of his posting style even when it sounds really guilty then he could slip by as a wolf. I, personally, am not comfortable with this. Maybe if I knew his playing better I would make a different decision... but maybe not.

++ Gwath

[Brinniel]

Now Shasta was an ordo-lover with only Day1 hunches with him... How come it is making you think he was somehow right because he was innocent as you yourself - if you're an innocent - were wrong with your Day1 hunch?
Because he's psychic. ;)

But seriously, Shasta has often been right about early suspicions which is why I feel inclined to trust him. But don't think that's why I suspect her alone; I'm just saying it supports my own suspicions of her.

[Lariren Shadow]

Vote Count:
Mith→Lommy
Kath → Lari
Lommy→ Gwath
Bubbles→Lommy (2)
Wilwa→ Gwath (2)
Rikae → Mith
Nienna--> Gwath (3)

Gwath 3, Lommy 2, Mith and Lari 1

Left to vote: Lari, Fea, Brinn, Nog, Izzy, Nerwen, Dury, Gwath, and Nilp

[Durelin]

Now Shasta was an ordo-lover with only Day1 hunches with him... How come it is making you think he was somehow right just because he was proven innocent as you yourself - if you're an innocent - were wrong with your Day1 hunch?

I thought that was rather odd, too.

Right now I feel worse about Lari. I always feel worse about those who seem careful, cautious, and like they're trying to be 'helpful' or engaged but still stay on the edges. Lommy's behavior I think just seems too uncautious to be wolf behavior. I know she can be completely cool as a wolf, and her oddness (at least as I perceived it) did not start toDay when she has really come under pressure.

Grah, I don't know...

[Brinniel]

++Lommy

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++Lommy

[Nerwen]

I've explained this already! My manner - it seems insubordinate, but it isn't really.

He wasn't Gwath of Arabia yesterDay, was he? So all this quoting can't be his posting requirement– unless Sally changed it, of course. She might have.

EDIT: x'd since Lari

[Gwathagor]

You don't think I'm just anybody? Do you?

++Thinlomien

Remember: only a golden bullet...

[Durelin]

++Lommy

She certainly has more support and I still find her guilty.

(Crossed with a few)

[Lariren Shadow]

++Gwath

[Isabellkya]

Huh.
Such changes of mind in the last few minutes.

[Nogrod]

Okay. I'm a bit worried about Gwath's explanations even if I know they can be lynch-magnets.

I'm also worried about Lommy. She seems to be a bit too defensive and vague. She just doesn't feel like honest. The problem being she has been able to pull off a "honest-look" as a baddie as well.

Fea and Brinn pose a problem for me. I thought they were good but now I'm not so sure anymore after I read Brinn's last one.

Because of yesterDay's voting I'd be ready to check also any of Nienna, Wilva or Dury... although with Dury I'm sticking to my earlier conviction that she has been one to come up with discussion and thence I would not like to lose her from this game...

EDIT: x'd with a host...

[Isabellkya]

++Lari

Because I actually find her in the realms of WereDuckie behavior.
Rather than..... baaaahndwagons.

[Nerwen]

Gwath. Lommy.

One of them is half-mad, the other wholly unscrupulous.

Which?

[Nogrod]

Huh.
Such changes of mind in the last few minutes.Exactly my words.

Now a lot depends on what Lommy is/was.

I do not seem to have a lot of choice anymore... so let's check Lommy to see about some others...

++ Lommy

[Brinniel]

Nerwen, did you miss deadline again?

[Nerwen]

Okay... there's really not much point voting for anyone except Gwath or Lommy...

++Lommy feels a bit worse, somehow.

What a fun Day it's been!:D

EDIT: xid since last post.

[Isabellkya]

We should not be voting for experimentation.
But because we find our votee guilty of WereDuckness.

[Nogrod]

Nerwen, did you miss deadline again?It seems she did... :confused:

[Nerwen]

Nerwen, did you miss deadline again?

Damn!

[satansaloser2005]

Lommie is dead. She was a wolf. Narration to follow.



EDIT: Nerwen, yesterDay you had unexpected obligations so I'll give you some grace, but don't forget to vote again, okay? Thanks! :)

EDIT #2: Gifteds and assorted others, please wait a few minutes to send picks. I need to clean out my inbox. Thanks again!

[Nerwen]

Hey, you won't mod-fire, will you, Sally? I could have sworn I had a couple of minutes left.

Besides, I did vote yesterDay (YouTube, remember?)

EDIT:X'd with Sally and role-revelation. YAAAAY!

[Nerwen]

EDIT: Nerwen, yesterDay you had unexpected obligations so I'll give you some grace, but don't forget to vote again, okay? Thanks! :)

I didn't forget, my vote didn't register till after the deadline.

[satansaloser2005]

I didn't forget, my vote didn't register till after the deadline.

You know what I mean. Basically don't not vote again and all will be shiny.


Hush now children, Sally's got a narration to do. Have a nice Night!

[satansaloser2005]

Yeah, yeah, I know. I suck at life. Just read the dang thing.




Day Two

“Gwath, tell everyone that you're my voice. Catch the nasty were-creatures that did this to Mira and I,” Shasta said as he died, shoving all his stuff at Durie as his eyes slid closed.

Gwath and Durie blinked, staring at Shasta's dead body then at each other.

“So what does that mean?” Durie asked. “You're his friend and I'm a piece of aluminum wrapping?”

Gwath shrugged, secretly empowered with not only his voting power but Shasta's as well.*

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Once the Shasta Shakespeare Show was over it was much easier for the villagers to concentrate on the task at hand: expelling a were-duck from their numbers.

Everyone was chattering, trying to decide who the villains could be, when suddenly Mith broke through the crowd and burst into loud (but very short) song.

“Everything is Lommie's fault toDay, Queen Mithalwen has decided that way. Everything that happens is Lommie's fault. Queen Mithalwen is also in Phantom's harem....erm, cult.”

Not long after she voted for young Lommie and walked away to think about who else to blame.

“I think it's Lari,” Kath said, and before long she was gone too.

Wilwa stood up to make her case against Gwath, citing that he 'urked her'.

“How right can she be,” Gwath countered, “if she doesn't even spell it right?”

Lommie, however, seemed to have enough evidence to make a confident vote for the lad, and as followed by Wilwa (her entire post spelled correctly, for the record) and Nienna. Nerwen was in the corner, picking petals off a daisy and saying, “Kill Gwath, kill Lommie. Kill Gwath, kill....”

“HOLD IT!”

Everyone stopped and saw Lommie standing in the middle of the group with an ax in her hand.

“Calm down now,” Wilwa said, taking a step toward her.

“No!” Lommie shouted. “Now step away or the penguin lover gets it!”

Everyone by now had grown used to the ghostly refrain of 'that's what she said' and hardly noticed.

“Well, if she's going to kill herself anyway,” Mac put in, and Brinn and he had voted before Lommie could protest. Fea shrugged and voted for her as well, as did Durie.

Lari and Izzy popped in to vote for others but it was too late. Gwath had already voted, sealing Lommie's fate.

“But....but....” Lommie protested. “But I wanted to Nilp myself!”

“Typical,” Nilp muttered. “Always want to be like me. Don't blame them really.”

The village advanced on Lommie but before they could stab, shoot, choke, hang, disembowel, or tickle her she jumped to the top of an old wagon, cackling.

“Screw you too, village!” she shouted, and lopped off her own head.

Everyone stared in bewilderment as her corpse fell to the earth, her head coming to rest by Sally's, Shasta's, and Legate's. (Mira was still trapped in the well, Timmy.) Unlike the others, however, her skull now had several feathers intermingled with her dark hair and as they looked back at her decapitated body they saw webbing where earlier her toes had been.

Nerwen smiled placidly and stayed silent during the entire scene, deciding that now of all times wasn't a time to cheer, “2-4-6-8, what animal do I most hate? Penguins! Penguins! Boo, penguins!”


The Dead
Sally (stabbed in a case of mistaken identity by a non-six-fingered Phantom on Night 0)
Phantom (made into a very unhealthy breakfast on Night 0)
Legate (ordo, pickled on Day 1)
Mira (Ophelia, ordo, drowned on Night 1)
Shasta (Hamlet, ordo, semi-accidentally poisoned on Night 1)
Lommie (were-duck, axed on Day 2)

The Living
Feanor of the Peredhil
Brinniel
wilwarin538
Durelin
Nogrod
Isabellkya
Nerwen
Rikae
Mith
Kath
Lari
Mac
Nienna
Gwathagor
Nilpaurion Felagund




*the double vote power for Gwath was only for Day 2, for the record

[satansaloser2005]

"Shocked and slightly embarrassed at the sight of *censored* in a towel, the were-ducks regain their composure and flee the scene"
--or--
"What I wouldn't give for Gandalf's Cloak."
"There we cannot help you."
"Will this do?"
"Where did you get that?"
"At Phantom's. It fit so nice, he said I could keep it."
--or--
(Fea's bugging me for the narration so I'll think of another clever title in a tick)


Night Two

The were-ducks snuck out in the middle of the Night and gathered around a small fire to mourn the loss of their half were-duck, half were-penguin mate Lommie.

One of the flock sighed and threw a bit of pickled Legate onto the grill, while her fellows chopped up bits of Mira (who they had finally dragged out of the well for a midNight snack).

“You know, killing off the rest of the group won't be as much fun without her around,” one of the little band remarked, and her friends chorused their agreement.

“She was always so....what's the word I'm looking for?” She scratched her feathered neck in thought. “Lommie was always so....”

“Fun?” offered one of her mates.

“Full of good ideas?” suggested another.

Another of the group smirked, her beak-like nose and sharp white teeth barely visible in the near darkness. “Plucky?” she said, before bursting into laughter. “Seriously, we're the bad guys. Why are we sitting around moping when there's killing to be done?”

The rest of the group nodded and they began to discuss plans, deciding which of the villagers looked tastiest. No more mention of Lommie was made until a voice in the shadows said, “Penguins suck.”

All the were-ducks turned to see a cloaked figure watching their discussion with intense interest. Needless to say they were shocked; the rest of the village was still sound asleep, and they had been quite careful when they snuck out.

“Well, well, well,” one remarked, “it looks like we have a winner after all.”

“Indeed,” the eldest agreed, “let's get her. And after that, perhaps an early breakfast.”

They all advanced on the hooded refugee, but as they approached the robe fell from the villager's body and they were blinded as light burst from the area where they had been standing.

“YOU SHALL NOT PASS!” the figure shouted, and, permanently scarred at the sight of the person in their pajamas, they scampered away and went hungry for the Night.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The next morning when the group awoke there was a small sign attached to the door of their sleeping quarters saying, “Phantom's apprentice has uncloaked. You have been warned.”



Everyone's still alive. Get you a list in a sec. Gosh, Fea, patience.


ETA: list of peopleses, precious

The Dead
Sally (stabbed in a case of mistaken identity by a non-six-fingered Phantom on Night 0)
Phantom (made into a very unhealthy breakfast on Night 0)
Legate (ordo, pickled on Day 1)
Mira (Ophelia, ordo, drowned on Night 1)
Shasta (Hamlet, ordo, semi-accidentally poisoned on Night 1)
Lommie (were-duck, axed on Day 2)

The Living
Feanor of the Peredhil
Brinniel
wilwarin538
Durelin
Nogrod
Isabellkya
Nerwen
Rikae
Mith
Kath
Lari
Mac
Nienna
Gwathagor
Nilpaurion Felagund

[wilwarin538]

Wow, so I guess the Ranger must have protected who ever the ducks chose, unless there's something else going on here. Either way it's quite good! And we got a duck yesterDay, I'd say we're doing pretty good.

But, by the looks of this narration there are atleast 3 ducks left, since Sally is using words like "group", "band", and "they all". If there were only 2 left it'd probably just be "pair" or something.

So some good, and some bad....but atleast there's some good!

It's crazy late where I am, so I'm off to bed, just wanted to check in quick. I should be around in the morning, but there is also a chance that I won't be around until the last 6 hours of the day. Hopefully not, but just in case I'm just warning you all.

Everyone try and play nicely now.....

[Nienna]

Yay!

Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon 'em.

[Brinniel]

*scratches head* I'm confused. Was that a ranger save? It sounded more like something else altogether happened..

But, by the looks of this narration there are atleast 3 ducks left, since Sally is using words like "group", "band", and "they all". If there were only 2 left it'd probably just be "pair" or something.
The narration indicates there could be up to four more ducks left. Good grief.

[Lariren Shadow]

So the wereducks picked a kill, the kill was not ranger protected, but is a new role the Phantom's apprentice?

Is that a one time deal or not?

*is confused and tired*

[Nerwen]

YAAAAAY!!!:):)

....um.... whatever happened...:confused:

...might really have been the Ranger self-protecting, and all that "Phantom's Apprentice" stuff is just to confuse us?

[Rikae]

Sounds to me like the ducks tried to kill the ranger, who was protecting xemself.

And it also appears that, even if this is not the case, all they have to do to find this person is to determine who is missing xyr hairbrush.

I hate it when I lose my hairbrush. Believe it or not, I once demanded that it be mailed back to me - a distance of 4000 miles - at a cost probably double its actual worth. A good hairbrush is hard to find.


EDIT: X'd with Nerwie

[Gwathagor]

That looked like a ranger save to me.

[the phantom]

It seems that somebody forgot the two primary rules of WereWolf.
1) Don't mess with Phantom.
2) Don't mess with Phantom's apprentice.

[the phantom]

Is that a one time deal or not?
That's what she said.

[satansaloser2005]

Ranger save? Ah, there was a ranger save? Glad someone told me because I didn't see it mentioned in the narration. I guess I'll have to read more carefully next time, yeah?

(In other words, if there was a ranger save I would have said so.)

[Rikae]

That looked like a ranger save to me.

How so, since it didn't actually say anything about the ranger saving anyone (or Larry the Cucumber saving anyone but xemself?)

The way you talk, one might think you were the ranger.

Just like the way Mith went after Lommy yesterDay, one would certainly think she was the seer...

but, of course, we know the seer wasn't protected, because the ranger protected xemself, as the narration clearly indicates. Which means the seer was not attacked, which can only mean Mith is a bluffing duck who threw Lommy to the... wolves... to make herself look good. Therefore:

++Mith

EDIT: X'd with the modgoddess, who confirmed what I'm saying. Go me.

[Isabellkya]

Finding a note about an uncloaked apprentice to phantom? Interesting if not kind of creepy. Nevertheless, it was to the entire group. Doesn't look like it was just to someone(s) in particular.

Maybe it was a ranger save, maybe not. Especially since there was no mention of another person.




I think it an obvious statement - that at least one of the Lommy voters yesterDay was/is a wereDuckie.


X'd with Miss Duckess and Rikae.

[Isabellkya]

From the plot, it looked like the Cloaked figure went to the Ducks. Rather than the other way around. If it was a ranger save - regardless of whom was being saved. Wouldn't it of been mentioned?

[satansaloser2005]

Erm, hun, I said there WASN'T a ranger save. It's not that the ranger saved him/herself, it's that the ranger had nothing to do with the Night's events.



Carry on now. :)

[Isabellkya]

My guess at the moment is that the cloaked figure "unlocked" their role in some fashion. Probably by completing a task, or some condition being met.

Meh, who knows - save for Sally and the cloaked figure.

[Brinniel]

My guess at the moment is that the cloaked figure "unlocked" their role in some fashion. Probably by completing a task, or some condition being met.
Perhaps this person was able to unlock their role when the wolves chose to attack them. Though the fact that this mysterious figure was already waiting for them is rather odd.

I'm just wondering what sort of powers phantom's apprentice could have. And are they on our side or their own side? Perhaps we should keep an eye out for anyone who starts to impersonate the phantom toDay. ;)

[Gwathagor]

What follows is a collection of all the meaningful remarks about and stances on Thinlomien that I could find. Note: this post contains no original analysis. It is merely a catalog.



Well, it looks to me as if Fea and Phantom (in spite of his pining for the fjords) have posting requirements; Durelin was ordered to spam us with statistics, Lommy was told to act like Nogrod, Nerwen to revisit her fangirl role, and Mac to act like me.


Lommy is the second person to try and make sense – some suspicion of Mira and Nerwen. Thinks Durelin and Izzy seem innocent. And then there was a crosspost –was it Mira she was saying was a Cobbler?





Innocent and Trying So Hard:

Lommy
Legate
Kath





Thinlómien - Serious side of the fence. Otherwise, no read.



I am agreeing a lot with Shasta and Lommy.





I won't be voting for Dury, Lommie, or Mac because they are not making referencees to things I don't understand. I have never seen the Princess Bride. or whatever ...



Guilty:
Shasta
Wilwa
Dury
Izzy
Nerwen
Rikae
Lommy
Kath
Nienna


I don't like either Lommy or Legate's votes. Why vote for someone if you don't think they're the were-duck?




Lommie - Seems very very confused and frustrated...but is that because she actually is or because she's been told to act that way. Also voted Lari for banter. Suspicious.



Lommy just seems really off. Her vote was an easy one, and her comment about not really thinking Lari is a wolf anyway but "oh, it's just Day 1"...



Suspects:

[...]

Lommy: On one hand, she agreed with me when I said we should vote based only on behaviour. Yet she then votes Lari for banter posts. Very contradicting.



Good work Lommy for spotting the "dream-thing" from Mira's posting. It looks like something worth trying for the ducks - not the least because even if they failed she would be a nice kill anyway leaving little tracks for anyone to follow. But if that is the truth, then we are sadly out of clues as to solving the problem Mac brought forwards as to whether the ducks feel confident or are under pressure.



Lommy's "seer hint" spot makes a lot of sense, seers always seem to be the main target for wolves so it wouldn't surprise me for a second that they'd go after anyone who could fill that role.







Of course I'm one to talk right now after my vote yesterDay... I do wish I had gone with Lommy or Mac just to stick to some standards, but...wasn't sure when I posted where Brinn was going and if Gwath's vote counted (until he came back and re-posted it).

Lommie is ringing my alarm bells a bit... I don't know if it is just her playing conditions or the fact she is more interested in external things but she really seems different. Somewhat frivolous for someone who normally plays seriously. I don't really like her vote for Lari ... she doesn't seem to give reasons why suspicious but seems to use saying she might vote for her as justification for actually voting for her.




The list of people I'm pretty sure about:
Lommy
Rikae
Brinn
Nogrod



Unknown:
[...]
Lommy - I can usually figure her out fairly well, but not this time. That could mean she's evil, or that it's just her role/requirement.



Rikae, Lommy and Mith - there is something funny. Not humor funny. But weird funny.

Lynch:

Lommy.
[and a few others]





This is what's bothering me about Lommy, too. But I'm not sure if she'd try to be less frivolous and careless seeming if she was a wolf. She seems a bit more herself toDay than yesterDay, maybe because she was getting a little bit of attention... Last time I thought because she was easy-going she must be innocent I was dead wrong. But frivolous better describes her right now.

I

Lommy - liking Lommy so far toDay, maybe just 'cause she's arguing back, but I think that's a good sign.

[...]

Possibly innocent:
Lommy
Mac - for all that I said I think he's an impassioned innocent.
Rikae
Durelin



[would trust] Less:
Nienna
Macalaure
Durelin
Lommy
Mith
RikaeTrying to deflect attention from yourself Miss Duck? Hardly a major issue since there isn't a lot to look at from him and since I am as sure as duck eggs are duck eggs that you and Nienna are feathered I am more interested in attack than protection.. even of my boy.. If we could dispose of you both today and tonight then we will be well on our way...

OK no more time but with one of my most confident votes ever



Lommy – I have no idea.



Okay, I have returned in a slightly different mood - here's a more negative list...yesss...

Evilish

[...]

Lommy - Part of me says she does not have her usual direction because she is a wolf trying hard to fabricate some things, part of me says she's not being careful enough to be a wolf. All I know is that ever since that game where she andphantom were wolves I suspect her a lot more. She's certainly not playing like she was then - she was extremely cool and smooth then along with frivolous. Here she seems more flustered and less on top of things. But that may be because she's come under a bit of pressure.

[...]

Creepy

Brinniel - She seems more flippant/frivolous than usual, kinda similar to Lommy.
Gwath - I don't know what it is. I think it's that he actually made a list. :p
[and others]


I primarily object to Lommy's representation of my motives. She makes it seem as though putting Legate in my less suspicious category and then voting for him anyway was all part of a scheme on my part to get rid of an innocent whom I knew to be a particular threat. What could I, as a duck, have hoped to have gained from drawing attention to myself by voting for someone I had put in my less suspicious category? If it was a plot, then it was a poorly conceived one.

More than anything, it just seems like she is trying to take something small, blow it out of proportion, and get me lynched.



Lommy doesn't sit right with me either. It's not really how she says things, but what she says...if that makes any sense. I wonder if we're dealing with an evil Lommy this time...



Lommy: Is looking slightly guilty.

[...]

So to sum things up:

Guilty/Feelings of Guilt:
Lommy
Bubbles
Mith
Rikae
Wilwa



YAY!!!!1111!!!!

Another great dilemma!

Gwath...?
Lommy...?
Gwath...?
Lommy...?

Let's see:

Gwath did that strange thing (pointed out by wilwarin) of voting someone he didn't list in the "most suspicious" category. Then, toDay, his manner has been off...quite a lot like a Gwathwolf... but then Lommy is going after him heavily, and she doesn't feel right either.





Also her [Durelin's] points on Lommy (as well as those made by Mith) look sensible. It’s probably the first time I’m really uneasy with Lommy due to her posting. There is something overtly careful in her posts and in her avoidance of debate – unless it is defending her case which she does a bit over the top this time.



Lommy's behavior I think just seems too uncautious to be wolf behavior. I know she can be completely cool as a wolf, and her oddness (at least as I perceived it) did not start toDay when she has really come under pressure.




I'm also worried about Lommy. She seems to be a bit too defensive and vague. She just doesn't feel like honest. The problem being she has been able to pull off a "honest-look" as a baddie as well.

Okay... there's really not much point voting for anyone except Gwath or Lommy...

++Lommy feels a bit worse, somehow.

[Durelin]

“Phantom's apprentice has uncloaked. You have been warned.”

I'm wondering who is being warned here.

If Sally insists the ranger was not involved, there may be another protector/person with protection abilities (edit: or they gained protection abilities)...but there's no reason to really discuss it unless, as someone suggested, it ever becomes apparent that whoever the wolves went after here is not really on our side either.

I think it an obvious statement - that at least one of the Lommy voters yesterDay was/is a wereDuckie.

With that many votes...yeah, I agree.

Hmm...what you up to, Rikae?

Thanks for the quotes, Gwath. As much as I'd like to be as helpful, it's a bit too late for that. Night night.

[satansaloser2005]

Hmph. There's been none to amuse me in an hour. I'm going to bed.


(For the record, if anyone needs me most of toDay I'll be busy helping with a wedding shower -shut up, Mith- so if it's super important get the attention of Mnemo or Shasta, as they know how to get in touch with me)

[Brinniel]

Who worries me most:
wilwa
Durelin
Kath
Nienna

I could also add Rikae to that list for her weird vote for Mith. I don't understand. Was she actually being serious?

[Nerwen]

YIPPEEEE! IT'S THEORY TIME!!!!!!!!!!:):smokin:

Perhaps this person was able to unlock their role when the wolves chose to attack them. Though the fact that this mysterious figure was already waiting for them is rather odd.

I'm just wondering what sort of powers phantom's apprentice could have. And are they on our side or their own side? Perhaps we should keep an eye out for anyone who starts to impersonate the phantom toDay.

*Nerwen brings her ENORMOUS BRAIN to bear*

Theory1. the phantom's apprentice is a good version of the Cursed Villager, one who becomes gifted when attacked. Power... well, we've already had a double-voter... maybe an Assassin? Or maybe someone who can change the wolves' target at Night, or protect innocents from lynching.

Theory2. As above, but tpa becomes a werebear when attacked.

Theory3. the phantom's apprentice's role is to drive everyone crazy.:D

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

the phantom is someone who is not part of the village, and yet is in it.

the phantom's apprentice, therefore, would be someone 'dead' to the village, but still talking.

[Nerwen]

the phantom is someone who is not part of the village, and yet is in it.

the phantom's apprentice, therefore, would be someone 'dead' to the village, but still talking.

Ohhhhh! Now that's a fantastic theory, Nilp! Except– Sally said everyone was still alive.

Maybe it's someone who can't vote but can't be killed either, like the phantom's "Opera Ghost" role a few games back?

I just love puzzles, don't you, Nilp?

YAY FOR CONFUSION!!!!!:D:D:D

*jumps up and down in excitement*

EDIT: fixed quotes.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I meant that the phantom's apprentice is 'alive' in the sense of being able to talk to us, but 'dead' in the sense of no longer contributing to the village.

[Nerwen]

I meant that the phantom's apprentice is 'alive' in the sense of being able to talk to us, but 'dead' in the sense of no longer contributing to the village.

Do you mean he or she no longer counts in the tally?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Perhaps. Who would really know? (Except the demented deity of this discussion.)

[Nerwen]

Perhaps. Who would really know? (Except the demented deity of this discussion.)

But that would be a blow for the village, and the narration implied our feathered friends had a bad Night.

I don't think Sally would be that mean, do you?:)

[Nerwen]

Also–

The narration indicates there could be up to four more ducks left. Good grief.

So there ought to be extra gifteds to balance all those ducks. (Imagine, if you will, a set of scales, one side containing a heap of gifteds; the other, ducks. See?)

[Nerwen]

*looks at own post*
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
*dies and iz ded*

[Lariren Shadow]

From the plot, it looked like the Cloaked figure went to the Ducks. Rather than the other way around. If it was a ranger save - regardless of whom was being saved. Wouldn't it of been mentioned?

Maybe but to me it seemed that the cloaked villager was walking and then the Ducks/Wolves tried to get them. Then they were unmasked. So the Ducks/Wolves probably know who this person is but the rest of the village doesn't.

Perhaps this person was able to unlock their role when the wolves chose to attack them. Though the fact that this mysterious figure was already waiting for them is rather odd.

I'm just wondering what sort of powers phantom's apprentice could have. And are they on our side or their own side? Perhaps we should keep an eye out for anyone who starts to impersonate the phantom toDay. ;)

Depending on what the powers are the phantom's apprentice might have tried to get Night killed. If it would unlock their special powers then they might have tried to be all "look at me look at me! You know you want to kill me!"

...and I just went back to the 10 Things I Hate About You references....

I meant that the phantom's apprentice is 'alive' in the sense of being able to talk to us, but 'dead' in the sense of no longer contributing to the village.

That would make sense, but the number of people alive toDay is the same as the number alive last Night:


The Living
Feanor of the Peredhil
Brinniel
wilwarin538
Durelin
Nogrod
Isabellkya
Nerwen
Rikae
Mith
Kath
Lari
Mac
Nienna
Gwathagor
Nilpaurion Felagund[/I]


The Living
Feanor of the Peredhil
Brinniel
wilwarin538
Durelin
Nogrod
Isabellkya
Nerwen
Rikae
Mith
Kath
Lari
Mac
Nienna
Gwathagor
Nilpaurion Felagund[/I]

So there are the same people alive as there are dead right now. Unless one of those marked under Alive is actually Dead. Which makes no sense because even when Shasta was "dead" and still playing he wasn't actually counted with those who are Alive.

[Gwathagor]

Mith is very nice and thoughtful :), but just too confident. Too much confidence = evil. At least, that's the theory I'm going to go with.

++Mith

Just like the way Mith went after Lommy yesterDay, one would certainly think she was the seer...

but, of course, we know the seer wasn't protected, because the ranger protected xemself, as the narration clearly indicates. Which means the seer was not attacked, which can only mean Mith is a bluffing duck who threw Lommy to the... wolves... to make herself look good. Therefore:

++Mith


Such confidence, Rikae.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

*sigh*

Hamsters and elderberries.

I can't make this any clearer without making an analogy to the Oracles of Rokugan--which, no doubt, most, if not all, of you will understand, you bunch of gaijin.

Might as well get this over with.

I am he.

( :p )

[Gwathagor]

And what does that mean? What does it entail?

[Lariren Shadow]

I second Gwath's question.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

*sigh*Was me being out of character. Usually I say '*sigh*', but perhaps I was so flustered by this goose-forsaken village that I forgot myself.

Hamsters and elderberries.You probably know this more than I do. Yeah, I'm sure of that.

I can't make this any clearer without making an analogy to the Oracles of Rokugan--which, no doubt, most, if not all, of you will understand, you bunch of gaijin.

Historically, the Oracles have been humans who have given up their humanity to house the power of a Dragon and become its agent in Ningen-do. The Oracles thus became not entirely human, creatures of great power. The Oracles also would retain no knowledge whatsoever of their mortal lives and break all contact with humanity, apart from their duties as Oracles. Many instances have been documented where a person recognizes an Oracle, but the Oracle has no recollection of the person, often despite the pair having spent years as close friends or family.

(From the L5R Wikia article on Oracles (http://l5r.wikia.com/wiki/Oracle#Life_as_an_Oracle)--emphasis mine)

Oh, and gaijin = foreigner, outsider, barbarian if you wish.

Might as well get this over with.The whole thing.

Yes, the whole thing.

I am he.Referring to myself both in the first- and the third-person, which is rather fun.

( :p )In case anyone is offended by anything. A sentiment I wish to repeat in this post.

( :p )

[Nienna]

I'm just epically confused.

What I've learned so far:

There wasn't a ranger save
For all intents and purposes there wasn't a kill last night
We have this interesting new apprentice
How to make bullets


About The Apprentice:

An apprentice is someone who learns and takes after their master
This new person is Phantom's Apprentice


Logic would then dictate that maybe this new person can talk to Phantom? and learn from him?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Well, it's being late. Must go and vote.

Good
the phantom
satansaloser2005
Nerwen
Mithalwen
Rikae
Durelin


Goo
Mnemosyne
Lariren Shadow
Gwathagor
Feanor of the Peredhil
Brinniel


Go
Nienna
Macalaure
wilwarin538


G
Nogrod
Isabellkya
Kath


' (being four letters short of a word)
the phantom's apprentice
Nilpaurion Felagund


With this I have concluded that she must leave the village.

++Kath

Good night!

[Lariren Shadow]

I'm just epically confused.
What I've learned so far:

How to make bullets



You learned how to make bullets? I'm slightly jealous.


' (being four letters short of a word)
the phantom's apprentice
Nilpaurion Felagund


...So you are the apprentice but not? I am way to confused...boo not enough caffeine and sleep in my system yet.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Someone went out at three in the morning. Did something stupid. I approve.

Gone for much of Day.

+
Feanor of the Peredhil
Brinniel
Nogrod
Lariren Shadow
Nienna

+-
Rikae
Durelin
Macalaure
wilwarin538

-
Isabellkya
Kath
Nilpaurion Felagund
Nerwen
Mithalwen
Gwathagor

Don't trust Nilp. Never have. Don't trust Nerwen. Too easy to hide beak behind pom pom. Don't trust Mith. Can't put finger on it. Others, equally unsure.

Never turn to evil for the sake of 'good.' Only protect the innocent. Look around despairingly. World lost innocence long ago.

Clay awaits. Sunday. Always clay on Sunday.

[Macalaure]

Isn't it funny how so many people defended Gwath on Day1, because he always gets lynched early on, and then so many people wanted him dead just one day later? Even funnier, much of the suspicion stemmed from his Day1 vote. The rest came from his reaction to being poked. As one of the pokers, I have to say that I found his reaction and later behaviour rather innocent. I'm quite puzzled by this and can't help but suspect Gwath's suspecters. Since Gwath was the runner-up to Quacklómien, I could very easily see a conspiracy, maybe only a spontaneous one, of the two other ducks against Gwath. The question is, did they try to get him lynched openly, or more behind the scenes. Keep your eyes open, fellow innocents. They are out there, ever looking for their next victim. Be watchful, for they watch you, too. Just like they wathed Gwatch.


A look at the votes (1-innocent to 5-guilty):

Mith -> Lommy (1)
Her certainty is astounding and it makes you wonder why she is still alive today - without a ranger save. Could be duck-on-duck, but somewhere something is going on behind the scenes that I don't get. I mean, more than we know of. [2]

Kath -> Lari (1)
Lari had also been suspected by Durelin, Lommy, and Gwath. This could be seen as an attempt to put another widely mistrusted person to compete with a possible Lommy-waggon. Her other suspect is Gwath, who would also have served the same purpose nicely. Her choice of top-suspects is somewhat suspicious. The fact that Lommy didn't go with Lari exonerates her. [3]

Lommy -> Gwath (1) [6]
Mac -> Lommy (2) [0]

Wilwa -> Gwath (2)
She goes along the same lines as Kath (same top suspects), which I think makes it unlikely that they both are ducks. Chooses Gwath over Lari, possibly because his waggon had more momentum (and possibly to follow her fellow's vote?). [4]

Rikae -> Mith (1)
Could be seen as an attempt to her vote out of the expectable race between Lommy, Gwath, and Lari. Only, evil-Rikae would never have done that. [2]

Nienna -> Gwath (3)
Also considers Mith, in a way that could be called a slight defense of Lommy. Chooses Gwath, who out of the given options was her top suspect. [4]

Brinn -> Lommy (4)
Putting the Lommy-waggon back on its rails. I think a duck would have refrained from making this vote. [1]

Fea -> Lommy (5)
Same as above, since they cross-voted. [1]

Gwath -> Lommy (6)
The logical choice. [2]

Durelin -> Lommy (7)
Has been after Lommy and Lari and chooses Lommy for obvious reasons. Unsuspicious. [1]

Lari -> Gwath (4)
The last two posts before her vote were counts. Before that, she listed Lommy as guilty and Gwath as unsure. Very suspicious. [5]

Izzy -> Lari (2)
Very consequent. No reason to suspect. [1]

Nogrod -> Lommy (8)
A model of indecisiveness, completely on the fence between Lommy and Gwath. Waits with his vote til it already had been decided. This is typical for him, but that does not mean that he couldn't be a duck trying to get away with it. [3]

Nerwen -> Lommy (9)
Pulls a Nog, but messes up the timing. It takes years of experience to do his trick. ;) The thing in her favour is that an evil Nerwen would probably have acted more determinedly. [3]


PS:
*ignores the entire tp's apprentice thing*
*enjoys absence of headache*

PPS:
Nilp is cracked. Cracked rhymes with quacked. He must be evil, logically.

[Rikae]

Bubbles = Conspiracy Theorist

Nilp = Ursine fabulist

Gwath = forgot the most important thing said about Loms

Fea = Terse

[Rikae]

A zatetic querimony:

The fact that Lommy didn't go with Lari exonerates her.

What is this idiolalla? What ""her", O Mac the Macropterous?

[Rikae]

Feanor of the Peredhil - Lurky McLurker
Brinniel - Opaque as always.
wilwarin538 - I saw something a while back that raised my eyebrow, but promptly forgot what it was. Good work, most likely kill her in the morning.
Durelin - Wolfie McWolfpants
Nogrod - Rather latrant. Diabolical.
Isabellkya - as xyloid as Al Gore.
Nerwen - irritating jennet.
Rikae - a little bit of kieselguhr makes the medicine go down.
Mith - Weighs exactly the same as a duck.
Kath - I'm going to avoid mentioning her to try to draw everyone's attention away from her for now. ;)
Lari - Seems innocent enough, but I'm not sure why Mac thinks she's a known innocent or something.
Mac - Macropterous
Nienna - I dunno. What are you, Nienna?
Gwathagor - Forgetful. Doesn't like lists, therefore deserves death. Can we give it to him?
Nilpaurion Felagund - I don't trust him farther than I can throw him.

*whew*
:D

[Kath]

I'm around so I'm going to ramble for a bit.

Right ...

So, now that we're confident that there was no Ranger save doesn't that seem to negate Rikae's theory about Mith?

but, of course, we know the seer wasn't protected, because the ranger protected xemself, as the narration clearly indicates. Which means the seer was not attacked, which can only mean Mith is a bluffing duck who threw Lommy to the... wolves... to make herself look good. Therefore:
Is what Rikae said but we know that the Ranger had nothing to do with anything last Night. Maybe Mith wasn't hinting at being the Seer by being so sure of Lommy but actually knew something about Lommy due to being this phantom's apprentice. Perhaps she and the phantom are able to communicate Nightly. What we don't know though is whether a phantom and phantom's apprentice win is a win for the village or whether they are similar to the Lovers in that they only win for themselves.

Rikae has returned since but doesn't seem to have rethought her plan since learning that the Ranger wasn't involved as Mith still equals duck in her latest list. Just wondering how her reasoning can be so certain given the new information.

[Kath]

Bah, double post but I just saw something Brinn said which adds to what I was talking about.

Perhaps this person was able to unlock their role when the wolves chose to attack them.
This is a very interesting idea. Given how right Mith was about Lommy yesterDay it would seem pretty likely that the wolves would think she was the Seer as how else would she have been that certain about the information and so they decided to go after her, but because of that her secret apprentice role was unlocked. That actually sounds pretty likely.

[Kath]

Added on to all the phantom's apprentice stuff is Nilp's behaviour. First he says that the apprentice is someone who is dead to the village but still talking, however that isn't the case for anybody as everyone is on the alive list. Then clarifies by saying that while they can talk they don't count in the village tally - but again I think anyone like that wouldn't be in the alive list. And then, after all that, reveals, except with a :p which sort of suggests that he's not actually serious. Finally he votes for me but we have no reasoning.

All in all, I'm a little confused by this and I don't think he is what he is potentially trying to claim he is.

[Rikae]

Mith is still suspect - she was running around screaming "I am the seer" yesterDay, and toDay she's still alive (and, presumably,, wasn't attacked).

[Rikae]

Besides - she doesn't know something that I happen to know the real seer would know. No, I'm not the real seer, don't waste your protection on me, ranger; but I do know something about the real seer's role. And that's all I really can say.

[Rikae]

Remember, the gifteds in this game are "modified".

[Mithalwen]

I am not a duck for the record (I woiuld say that wouldn't I ?) but like a duck I am working hard beneath the surface.

Of course I look strange but this game is a ..well I can't use the word I would in RL.... all I can say is you have plenty of time to lynch me when I stop being useful.

Oh and there is a fairly high probability that Rikae is a cobbler.

[Mithalwen]

Indeed Mac, I could quote Francis Urquhart...

[Rikae]

Maybe I'm a good cobbler. :p

But ok, Mith, why are you still alive, if you aren't evil?

[Rikae]

Indeed Mac, I could quote Francis Urquhart...

No, I don't trust you, you're not on my side - but thanks for making it obvious Mackie isn't either. :Merisu:

[Brinniel]

Mith is still suspect - she was running around screaming "I am the seer" yesterDay, and toDay she's still alive (and, presumably,, wasn't attacked).
Well someone was attacked last Night. Why are you so sure it wasn't her?

Oh and there is a fairly high probability that Rikae is a cobbler.
I agree.

[Mithalwen]

If you were good you wouldn't be attacking me Rikae.

Why not read the narration? It is quite clear that the person attacked could not be killed.


Oh and you are not the good Cobbler for the same reason you are not the toothfairy, the Easter bunny or Father Christmas.

[Rikae]

Oh and you are not the good Cobbler for the same reason you are not the toothfairy, the Easter bunny or Father Christmas.

But I'm all of the above, so there (don't tell my kids ;)).

Nilp, what do you say about Mith having been attacked last night and being impossible to kill? It sounds like we have a couple of conflicting stories on our hands, don't we?

[Kath]

Mac's list - parts of it are very interesting.

Since Gwath was the runner-up to Quacklómien, I could very easily see a conspiracy, maybe only a spontaneous one, of the two other ducks against Gwath.
Very good point. However, even if we're assuming from the narration that there aren't just three wolves I doubt that any more than one wolf other than Lommy would have voted in that bandwagon, especially given that Lommy was in big trouble and the safer plan would have been to join that bandwagon.

The voters:
Lommy, wilwa, Nienna and Lari.

Obviously we know now that Lommy was evil. I'm going to take a look at the reasoning behind the votes of the other three.

wilwa:
Start off with Gwath, Lari and Durelin as her top suspects. Can only list bad feelings as reasoning for Lari and Durelin but finds a suspicious looking quote by Gwath and ends up with him as her top suspect. Continues with this. Mentions her top suspects as being Gwath and Lari, most likely to vote Gwath. Then votes Gwath.

Nienna:
First suspicion post has Gwath and Mith as likely votes. Mith for being too certain, Gwath for not contributing and having hidden messages. Votes Gwath for his playing style.

Lari:
List post that Lommy, Mac, Rikae, Mith and wilwa on her suspect list with Gwath on the leaning innocent list - right at the top of it in fact. Then votes Gwath ... with nothing in between.

I need to go and have dinner. I will be back afterwards as I haven't quite finished with what I wanted to look at here but from what I have looked at it looks to me like Lari might be the wolf in that little group. The sudden change on Gwath might well be the reaction of a wolf fellow of Lommy's suddenly thinking she might be able to save her. wilwa I would say looks particularly good out of the analysis. Her suspicions were stated early, well supported and consistent through the Day. Nienna ... her reasons aren't great but I think she looks less suspicious than Lari.

[Nienna]

*is utterly and completely confused*

I've decided to let all of this information process in my brain for a while and come up with a color analysis of everyone. :D

[Mithalwen]

But I'm all of the above, so there (don't tell my kids ;)).



You lie to your children? Shame on you! In the increasingly unlikely event of me having children I will tell them it is all a big lie... will save me a fortune.... I am prepared to swear allegiance to Bilious, the Oh God of Hangovers though....

[Durelin]

I think Mac has the right idea in ignoring the "phantom's apprentice" thing. The simple matter is that someone the wolves wanted to kill did not die, so all's good.

Evilish:

Lari - She still bothers me, as does her vote yesterDay. Maybe it's a bit too obvious, but both Nerwen and Nogrod who had yet to vote claimed at least to have some suspicion of Gwath. My only problem is that Lommy voted for her on Day 1.

Nienna - Her vote for Gwath certainly looks bad, too. She has generally been quiet and on the edge of things, so she's worrisome.

Nogrod and Nerwen - Just piled on the Lommy vote, so very hard to tell.

Rikae - Whatever she's up to it doesn't seem good. Cobbler? Wolf who thinks Mith is the seer and dreamt of her?

Creepy:

Nilp - Uh, yeah. It's Nilp. And I don't know what he's up to, either. Rikae seems cobbler-ish but so does Nilp...and if one is a wolf I'd say Rikae but I have no idea.

wilwa - Also a not good looking vote for Gwath but doesn't feel as foul.

Innocent-ish:

(Unless Lommy was a sacrifice)
Fea
Brinn
Mac
Mith

These two just feel innocent to me:
Kath
Izzy

The Lari voters could also be part of an attempt to save Lommy, but I am naturally less suspicious of them because I find Lari rather suspicious.

If, as some have mentioned, there are at least 3 or even 4 more wolves out there, then I think it's plenty likely to have had wolf-on-wolf voting both these past two Days.

[Nienna]

Color analysis as promised :D

Feanor of the Peredhil – ish-brown – in a boring sort of way

Brinniel – Phthalo Blue – she is being very reasonable right now

wilwarin538 – Cobalt Blue – I’m seeing no real reason to suspect her right now but I would like to hear more from her

Durelin – Phthalo Green – fine for the moment. She has been making some sense.

Nogrod – Burnt Siena

Isabellkya – Payne’s Grey – She seems as confused as I am… unsuspicious

Nerwen – Florescent Orange tempera – I’m slightly concerned about her at the moment… that may be just the cheerleader thing though. She is on my suspicious list for the moment

Rikae – Cadmium Yellow – acting very suspicious… and hairbrush??

Mith - Quinacridone Red – not sure really what to think of her. She makes sense and then she doesn’t make sense… but that could be just a posting requirement thing?...

Kath - Chromium Oxide Green – She is not acting overly suspicious. She is fine for me so far

Lari – Reitz Green – Her vote yesterday was a bit suspicious so she is feeling vaguely cobblerish for me right now

Mac – Viridian – speaks in codes a bit but other than that he seems innocent enough for the moment

Nienna – Titanium White – of course :cool:

Gwathagor – Naples Yellow – he still looks suspicious to me but not nearly as suspicious as others… I’m still watching him.

Nilpaurion Felagund – Ivory black – he is confusing me

[Kath]

I've forgotten what I wanted to add on to that earlier post but I just wanted to mention something from Durelin before I go and read through the posts again to find out what it was!

If, as some have mentioned, there are at least 3 or even 4 more wolves out there, then I think it's plenty likely to have had wolf-on-wolf voting both these past two Days.
If you believe that might be the case then why do you think that Lommy's vote for Lari on Day 1 makes her slightly less suspicious?

[Mithalwen]

Creepy? I am surrounded by ducks I think...for the last hour..that is creepy.

[Rikae]

Haha, well, if you all think I'm so suspicious, lynch me, then! Put your money where your mouth is! :p

EDIT: X'd with creeped-out Mith.

[Durelin]

Haha, I forgot Gwath. He definitely goes in the innocent-ish category.

Heading back to school toDay (was on break) so from now on you'll probably be hearing less from me I'm afraid.

Really Nienna? I don't even remember most of those colours being in a 100 pack crayon box, and have little idea what they mean.

(Edit: Crossed with some people.)

[Mithalwen]

Haha, well, if you all think I'm so suspicious, lynch me, then! Put your money where your mouth is! :p

EDIT: X'd with creeped-out Mith.

Yes sweetie we could but I am fairly confident that you are only a cobbler and the priority is to get rid of the duckies .... and sorry Nienna but at the moment you are still top of the hit list. Nothing personal...just business...

[Durelin]

If you believe that might be the case then why do you think that Lommy's vote for Lari on Day 1 makes her slightly less suspicious?

I didn't say it made her less suspicious, but it is an issue to address. Part of addressing it is realizing that with a larger than usual number of wolves we may well have more wolf-on-wolf voting than usual. Not that I have any clue what is usual in these games really, or that usual would begin to describe it.

Rikae and Mith you are both driving me crazy. I don't think the latter is trying to but you're doing it all the same. Either say things or don't say them, I don't like it in between.

Edit: Crossed with Mith again.

[Macalaure]

*looks around confused and whimpers*

Mith, Rikae, and Nilp have conspired to give me a headache. May swift death catch each. :(

I agree with Kath on Wilwa and Lari. Lari's the most suspicious looking of the bunch, and I would really like to hear what she has to say about her vote. We all have sudden changes of mind, but the fact that she posted 2 vote counts shows she knew exactly what she was doing, but chose not to tell us.

I do think you discard Nienna too quickly, though.

Wait, wait... Lari already did post toDay? I thought she hadn't. And she didn't explain her vote? *sharpens knife*

The lack of analysis toDay is a bit worrisome. I see role speculation, lists with some (or without) comments, and a long summary, but only Kath and me actually analysed votes, deaths etc. Come on, it's Day3 already! :)

[Rikae]

You know there are no "only a" anythings in this game.

Leaving me alive is great - for my side - as you shall see toNight. :D

[Rikae]

Who needs analysis? No analysis, no analysis, la la lalala!

[Mithalwen]

You know there are no "only a" anythings in this game.

Leaving me alive is great - for my side - as you shall see toNight. :D

Well we could kill you ..I am not certain you aren't a duck ...cobbler seems far too likely but it is quite certain that you are on the feathered side.... but I know the odds and I would sooner vote for a absolute certainty than a racing one...

[Gwathagor]

Really Nienna? I don't even remember most of those colours being in a 100 pack crayon box, and have little idea what they mean.



They're oil paints.

[Mithalwen]

Mith - Quinacridone Red – not sure really what to think of her. She makes sense and then she doesn’t make sense… but that could be just a posting requirement thing?...



Synthetic pigment? Synthetic pigment? And really a bit harsh with my colouring ..much more a Rose Madder kind of girl...

[Isabellkya]

Oi. As much as some of you are thinking and stating - I'm not confused. Well, I'm only confused at the how and why you think I'm confused. ;)

I have to agree with Rikae on this one part.
After Lommy was lynched Duck, Mith looked mighty seerish.
So her not being attacked and protected by the Ranger - speaks some flavor of volumes. The Ranger didn't think her very seerish. The ducks didn't think her very seerish. Unless of course she is this newly uncloaked figure or what have you - and did the entire stunt-like vote yesterDay to get the Ducks to attack her.

Would of been quite funny that were true, and the bandwagon invite was not taken as much as it was.



X'd with Mith x2 and Gwath.

[Isabellkya]

Or acrylics.

[Gwathagor]

Suspicious
Rikae - most obviously suspicious player in the game. The fact that she seems to be trying to suspicion concerns me.
Lariren
Wilwarin
Neither One Nor The Other
Nilpaurion - I can't make heads or tails of his vague remarks earlier about being somebody or other, and so I think I'd better not try.
Nienna
Mithalwen - I could really go either way right now with Mith. Rikae has suggested that Mith's campaign against Lommy was wolf-on-wolf, and now the two of them are going at it. I need more time to make a decision - I want to see how their contest plays out.
Innocent
Isabellkya
Mac
Nogrod
Fea
Brinniel
Durelin
Kath

[Gwathagor]

They're oil paints.

Or, um, some of the names are the same, anyway. Some of the others I haven't heard of or used.

[Nogrod]

Goodness Gracious me, you guys have posted toDay! :)

I've had a terrible day WW-wise but will soon be able to start reading this. Sadly I have an early call tomorrow so I'm not able to hang around to the deadline like yesterDay (Mith will be happy though... :rolleyes:).

[Kath]

Ah I remember - I was going to look at the Lommy voters having said that I think it likely that a wolf would end up voting in that bandwagon.

So the voters were:
Mith, Mac, Brinn, Fea, Gwath, Durelin, Nog, Nerwen.

Assuming three wolves, and that one wolf voted Gwath and the other was Lommy, there is probably one wolf in here. Assuming more than three wolves there may be two in here.

Mith - starts off with Lommy ringing her alarm bells a bit. Then some suspicion of Rikae, thinking she might be a Cobbler. Then says Lommy and Nienna are suspicious. Votes Lommy. Now, yes, it seems a very definite vote but for some reasoning her surety in the vote became stronger all Day despite the addition of another suspect and no extra reasoning. If she is a wolf as Rikae thinks this is a Mith I've never seen before.

Mac - starts with suspicion against Durelin and Nog, though the two seem to cancel out somewhat. Lommy originally in his unknown list not in his suspicious list which held Durelin and Nog. Feels better about Nog (why?), will get no support from Durelin and so chooses Lommy out of a pretty random list of four because he agrees with what Mith said about her which wasn't a great deal really and with what Gwath said. It feels like too little reasoning from a player like Mac.

Brinn - uncomfortable with wilwa and Lommy. Reiterates that. Votes Lommy. Well it's consistent but there isn't a huge amount behind it. Brinn this game seems to be holding back a lot, I don't know whether she's playing very carefully or is time limited or what but she doesn't feel like her usual innocent self.

Fea - I can't work out whether her 'less' list means she would trust those people less or more so, erm, could do with clarification there as Lommy was in that list. Votes Lommy, but I can't work out whether that's a continuation of a suspicion or a reversal of one. Either way some reasoning would have been really nice. If she is a wolf she could coast the whole game like this.

Gwath - his vote was clearly self preservation.

Durelin - mentions suspicion of Lommy and Mac from yesterDay and I think continued that early toDay. I think then continues that and adds suspicion of Nog, wilwa, Gwath and Nienna. Retains the same suspicions but Lari moves into the suspicious list as well. Reasoning for all. Says will vote for Lari or Lommy. Feels worse about Lari than Lommy. Votes Lommy because she already has votes. Pretty consistent, especially having come from the Day before as well.

Nog - seemed to lack suspicion of Lommy at the beginning. Didn't like Nienna, wilwa, Durelin or Brinn's votes from yesterDay. Clears Durelin and retains suspicion of Lommy, doesn't talk about the others. Some suspicion of Brinn. Whole list of people he wouldn't mind lynching; Gwath, Lommy, Fea, Brinn, wilwa, Nienna. Votes Lommy because he is out of options for actually getting people lynched.

Nerwen - suspicion of Gwath, Lommy, Mac, Mith, Rikae, Durelin, Nog. Deciding between Gwath and Lommy. Chooses Lommy because she feels worse. Apparently cross posted with a Lommy vote but it would still have been clear that Lommy was dead without her I think.

Going to post this and then have a think.

[Mithalwen]

Suspicious
Rikae - most obviously suspicious player in the game. The fact that she seems to be trying to suspicion concerns me.
Lariren
Wilwarin
Neither One Nor The Other
Nilpaurion - I can't make heads or tails of his vague remarks earlier about being somebody or other, and so I think I'd better not try.
Nienna
Mithalwen - I could really go either way right now with Mith. Rikae has suggested that Mith's campaign against Lommy was wolf-on-wolf, and now the two of them are going at it. I need more time to make a decision - I want to see how their contest plays out.
Innocent
Isabellkya
Mac
Nogrod
Fea
Brinniel
Durelin
Kath


Gwath, I know there is little point in saying "wolf on wolf" isn't my style because of this games parameters but the fact is that it would be rather bold and unwise so early in the game knowing that my continual survival would look rather odd.

Rikae has pretty well admitted that she isn't for the village and that we aren't on the same side.

All I ask is that I am not lynched while I am still delivering ducks for the village. I can't prove I am not bluffing but even if it were a bluff why not profit from it while you can? I hope you see the sense in that.

[Mithalwen]

(Mith will be happy though... :rolleyes:).

Happy? You expect me to be happy? Pfft... but given how ungrateful people are ... I may go treebeardish.

[Gwathagor]

Gwath, I know there is little point in saying "wolf on wolf" isn't my style because of this games parameters but the fact is that it would be rather bold and unwise so early in the game knowing that my continual survival would look rather odd.

Rikae has pretty well admitted that she isn't for the village and that we aren't on the same side.

All I ask is that I am not lynched while I am still delivering ducks for the village. I can't prove I am not bluffing but even if it were a bluff why not profit from it while you can? I hope you see the sense in that.

I am inclined to trust you, but I am also going to reserve my judgment as long as I can do so safely.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

They're oil paints.

Some are pottery glazes.

Ishbrown for me.

Suggests I am bland. Camouflage. Analysis good.

Disagree about Durelin. Think burnt umber. Barely agree on Brinn as phthalo. Suggest Titanium instead. Naples yellow light for Nog. Yellow ochre for Gwath. Lari as shinoku. On a good firing.

Color = fascinating.

But confusing.

Ergo, burnt umber = chocolatey brown. = neutral tone, used as darkening agent. Also used in underpainting: most effective under the surface. Durelin as burnt umber = she is too subtle, and feels too dark, yet is still neutral. Cool tone.

Phthalo is cool, soft. Titanium = white. Overwhelming. Brinn feels titanium, always.

Naples yellow = bright; naples light = common skin tone. Suggest, Nog is what on the surface he appears to be.

Yellow ochre = sometimes overwhelming sunflower color. Too bright. Too abrupt. Dislike stylistically, but find useful and interesting.

Shinoku. Glaze. If surrounded by too much heat, comes off as bad. Lari = metaphorical pot: shinoku is good, just sometimes seems not.

No codes from me. Just colors, with explanations.

[Gwathagor]

Yellow ochre = sometimes overwhelming sunflower color. Too bright. Too abrupt. Dislike stylistically, but find useful and interesting.


:p

[Nienna]

Some are pottery glazes.

Yes. Some are oil paints and some pottery glazes. They are mostly just colors as I was using them. Google should give you a good impression of the color if you check.

And brownie points to Gwath for guessing oil paints as they are mostly that. :smokin:

[Gwathagor]

Yes. Some are oil paints and some pottery glazes. They are mostly just colors as I was using them. Google should give you a good impression of the color if you check.

And brownie points to Gwath for guessing oil paints as they are mostly that. :smokin:

Well, I recognized a lot of them from painting class.

[Kath]

Just trying to get my thoughts together after that look at the votes.

The Lommy voters:
Mith is a difficult one. I don't think she is the Seer. Given how sure she was of Lommy yesterDay and the fact that she was proved right the wolves surely went after her. I think she is the phantom's apprentice and I still don't know whether that role is for the village or for it's own good. I don't think she's a wolf either though so I won't vote her.

Mac - the way that he reached his vote for Lommy seems odd to me because he discounted Durelin because he was unlikely to get a vote for her, then listed a bunch of people who with the exception of Lommy had no votes but then said he was voting for her not because she'd got votes but because he agreed with what others said. I would like to hear him answer this though.

Brinn - not actually liking her playing style this game. Or, not the playing style exactly but the fact that she seems to be really holding back. It feels like she doesn't trust herself to post substance.

Fea - who knows?

Durelin I'm happy with.

Nog I'm alright with.

Nerwen - well the vote feels a bit safe as I think she'd have been aware that there was no point in voting Gwath or in not voting Lommy when she voted. I'd like to see what she does toDay.

So those I won't vote toDay from this list:
Nerwen
Nog
Durelin
Fea
Mith
Mac (at least not until I hear a response from him)

Those I might:
Brinn

From the Gwath voters I might vote Lari.

So ... overall it's Brinn or Lari I think.

[Gwathagor]

I should point out that in this particular game, posting style is not a good basis for suspicion because of possible behavior modifications that the player may be operating within.

[Lariren Shadow]

Wait, wait... Lari already did post toDay? I thought she hadn't. And she didn't explain her vote? *sharpens knife*


Yes I did not explain my vote nor do I really intend to because I'm having a hard time figuring out how to explain it and go with my crack role. Clearly I'm trying to figure out how to do that, but I have the problem of writing a horribly long paper that I've been sort of putting off and will not be able to devote an adiquit amount of time to WW toDay. Yes earlier I did but I was also trying to wake up and then I started on my paper.

Sorry for the nonexplination.

[Rikae]

Lari's role = no analysis?

Mith, I said I'm not on *your* side, and if Mac's on your side, I'm not on his side either. Or so it seems. If I'm wrong, then I'm headed for a bad mistake toNight. (But I'm never wrong, and you're headed directly into the fire swamp!)

[Mithalwen]

Fighting talk but the village won't thank you for getting rid of me... even if you have the power....

[Macalaure]

Mac - the way that he reached his vote for Lommy seems odd to me because he discounted Durelin because he was unlikely to get a vote for her, then listed a bunch of people who with the exception of Lommy had no votes but then said he was voting for her not because she'd got votes but because he agreed with what others said. I would like to hear him answer this though.

Well, why vote for somebody if you know nobody else will probably join you. Also, I was somewhat less sure of her. The random people were the people I labeled suspicious or unsure some time before. I voted Lommy because of both, the vote for her and my agreement with others.

[Kath]

Alright Mac, but at that point Lommy had one single vote. There were a lot of people left to vote, many of whom had previously mentioned suspicion of Durelin. It just didn't quite seem to follow on neatly.

[Isabellkya]

All of these Lommy voters are quite capable of voting for one of their feathered friends. Even starting the vote for one.

All of the following posts are from yesterDay, and are only here because they had DuckLommy in them.


Mith.
#457 - Says Lommy is ringing her alarm bells, is "frivolous".
#487 - Says to Rikae that Lommy and Nienna are much better lynches via her own deductions. As opposed to Rikae wanting to lynch Mith and M's son.
#515 - Calls Lommy "Miss Duck". She is quite certain that Lommy and Nienna are ducks.
#519 - Votes Lommy. She is very confident and invites everyone to bandwagon.

She was quite certain about Lommy her whole Day, and didn't seem to falter from the path. It almost looks like she tried to test the waters out a bit, then decided to just steam ahead. I think the sheer confidence in her statements-as-facts made her look a bit seerish; enabling others to take her up on her invitation more easily. However, she is not the Seer.
---

Mac.
#472 - Can usually figure Lommy out. In this case she is unknown - whether to her being evil or her requirement, not sure.
#549 - Votes Lommy. Is more suspicious of her than other choices (Brin, Kath, Nilp). Takes Mith's invite. Agrees with Mith and Gwath.

He is quite capable of starting, being in the early votes - of another Were. I seem to remember something involving Sally a number of games ago. The placement and timing of the vote alone - makes him look innocent. The almost sparsity of his thoughts on Lommy and the almost jump from unknown to voting - is a bit questionable. I believe this to be a both negative and positive. So he is still a half WereDuck.
---

Brin.
#552 - Lommy doesn't sit right with her. Because of what she says, not how. She wonders if this time, it is dealing with an evil Lommy.
#570 - Says she could vote for either Lommy or Wilwa, L is suspicious, and would rather have L die than Gwath.
#577 - Votes for L.

Again. There is sparsity in her thoughts on Lommy. The timing and placement of such thoughts, and vote. There is seeming jumping - from "not sitting right" to "suspicious". A mighty leap in the matter of 18 posts on the board.
That she brought L to be tied with Gwath speaks in her favor. However, I could see her jumping on the wagon early for her feather mate; to look less suspicious.
---

Fea.
#508 - Sort of trusts L on "ideas of March with knife".
#578 - Votes for L

I believe her posting requirement is restraining her beyond belief. However, I think I could see her faking such a requirement for the craziness of it. The timing and placement speaks in her favor; but with not much else to go on - *shrug*
---

Gwath.
#533 - He is beginning to consider Mith's invite for a wagon on L.
#546 - He objects to L's representation of his motives.
#548 - Says L is taking something small and blowing it up, to lynch him
#564 - Will probably vote L. Unless something crazy happens.
#580 - Votes for L.

He seemed quite genuine in his rebuttal to L and subsequent vote. I'm leaning more towards innocent - though I wouldn't rule out it being a Duck vs. Duck situation.
---

Dury.
#443 - She says she should've stuck with L or Mac on Day one.
#486 - Agrees with Mith about L.
#525 - Half of her thinks L is a Duck, the other half thinks L is being too careless to be a Duck.
#571 - Will vote for L or Lari.
#576 - Fells worse about Lari. L's behavior is too uncautious for a Duck.
#581 - Votes for L. L has more support, and she finds L guilty.

The placement of her vote, is quite 'hop on the wagon'. However she was one of the more vocal about her doubts with L. Though it could've been a ruse, to distance herself from L since Mith was so certain. I still think her innocent.
---

Nog.
#569 - Dury's points on L look sensible. Same with Mith's. It is the first time he is uneasy with L's posts. They are overtly careful, and she avoids debating.
#584 - L is worrying him. She is too defensive and vague. She doesn't feel honest.
#587 Votes L. Says that a lot depends on L's role; will enable to see about others' roles.

Would he vote for a feather mate? Yes. His suspicions of L were quite late in the day - I assume because of time and business. His vote of her, after she'd pretty much already been sentenced, is quite 'hop on the wagon'. He is still quarter WereDuck, three quarters Duck.
---

Nerwen.
#586 - Goes back and forth between L and Gwath. One is half mad, the other is wholly unscrupulous.
#589 - Votes L. Says there is no point in voting outside L and Gwath. L feels a bit worse.

I don't think her vote counted. I think she definitely jumped on the wagon. Whether because of a whim or to try and make herself look better for voting for a Duck... *shrug*
---

Most suspicious out of the Lommy voters:
Brin, Nerwen

Halfsies:
Mac, Mith, Nog, Fea

Quartersies:
Dury, Gwath


X'd since Nog's #676.

[Isabellkya]

Mith is kind of sounding like an OMT, whom is trying to reason with the village to keep her alive while she "helps".

[Nienna]

Mith is kind of sounding like an OMT, whom is trying to reason with the village to keep her alive while she "helps".

OMT? I'm sorry? *tries to keep up with the acronyms*

[Mithalwen]

OMT? What is that? I like to know what I am being accused of.

And what exactly is unhelpful about identifying ducks? I'd really love to know. As I say when I stop doing so you are quite free to lynch me.

[Isabellkya]

Oh sorry.
OMT = One Man Team.

[Gwathagor]

Here's me taking a Yellow Ochre look at Wilwarin.

Most of her early posts aren't worth trying to analyze, so I've left them out. It will suffice to say that she voted for Legate because she didn't want to introduce another voting candidate into the mix.

:eek: Wow, my life on a coin flip, that's pretty scary...

Anyway, I have been given a second chance at life so I will definitely try and be useful.

[quotes someone]

It must simply mean that we are only dealing with wolves and not a bear or anything. Unless the bear gave up his chance for a kill so that we wouldn't know of his existence right away, but I doubt that.

Lommy's "seer hint" spot makes a lot of sense, seers always seem to be the main target for wolves so it wouldn't surprise me for a second that they'd go after anyone who could fill that role.

[quotes someone]

I'm thinking no for 2 and 3. They had 24 hours to decide on something and most likely plenty of people to choose from, so I doubt they were under that much pressure. 3 isn't really a smart tactic for them, people who don't talk much can aquire a lot of suspicion so to kill them off wouldn't be overly intelligent. 1 is possible, but it's a scary notion that everything is going exactly as they planned. :eek:

Well, it's really quite impossible to know what their thinking, so I think we should maybe just keep Mira in the back of our minds then toMorrow when their is another kill we can compare the two, see if there is some pattern or something, perhaps I'll re-read her's later, though what Lommy found seems to make quite a lot of sense...

For now I need to go run some erands, I'll be back fairly shortly. Perhaps I'll make a list of some sort...

x'posted since my last

Ok, in this first post she is addressing Mira's death on Night 1. She doesn't really say anything new and original, though that in itself isn't necessarily suspicious. Some of her reactions in this post appear feigned to me: basically, wherever smileys show up. I should also point out that she supports Lommy twice; maybe a wolf would be less likely to associate with a fellow, maybe not.

Uhm, ok....I'll return shortly with some quotes and such to back this all up, but for now this is my starting list, subject to change:

The list of people who confuse the heck out of me:
Fea
Nerwen
Nilp
The list of people who I have absolutely no clue about:
Izzy
Mith
Kath
Mac
Nienna
The list of people I'm pretty sure about:
Lommy
Rikae
Brinn
Nogrod
The list ofpeople I suspect most at this time:
Gwath
Lari
Dury


Okee, down to business. My 3 suspects as I listed above: Durelin, Lari and Gwath. I went back and skimmed through some stuff and I found the most against Gwath (see below). Dury is purely an eerie creepy bad feeling, I don't think I'll be voting her toDay, but I wouldn't be against the idea either, we'll see how it all goes.

Lari, well, she posts alot, like a lot....and I couldn't find much that was really interesting. She just makes me uneasy and I'm very tempted to vote for her toDay.

Now Gwath, I saw this and went "oh!", let me know if it's already been mentioned and I just didn't see it:

k, so he puts Legate on his "sort of" suspicious list, says he's too obvious to be a wolf but then votes for him anyway?? I mean I know I voted for him without any hard core suspicion, but I admitted that. Here he basically says that there are 2 other people he is more suspicious of, that Legate's unlikely to be a wolf, and then votes him anyways. o.O So yeah, I don't like that....so I stopped reading when I saw this, wanted to comment first, will now be going back and reading all of his posts once more. Unless someone else does something crazy I think I'll be voting for Gwath.



Her suspicions of Durelin and Lariren at this point seem to be based mostly on bad feelings; she also seems pretty confident already that she will end up voting for me. I find her case against me to be pretty weak; others may disagree. I have tried to explain that stupid Legate thing as well as I can, so I won't do it again unless someone asks.

It looks to me like Wilwarin was fishing for a voting target and had already picked me, but threw Durelin and Lariren in there just to make it look more like the due process of law.




Anyway, I'm leaning more and more towards voting for Gwath, he's really starting to urk me. I hadn't gotten the chance before to go back and read all his posts (had to go pick up my brother unexpectidely), but I will do that right now.



She reiterates her suspicion of me and spells two words wrong. :)

K Kath, I gotcha now, and ya I believe I had just agreed with Lommy about that.

Anyway, re-reading Gwath's and Lari's posts again, I definitely will vote for one of them, leaning more towards Gwath for sure though. This is really just a quick peek in, I won't make it on again for a couple more hours and then will probably vote then.



Why does she keep Lariren in here? She already specified two posts ago that unless something crazy happened, she was probably going to vote for me. And she doesn't ever really even elaborate on why she is so suspicious of Lariren, even though she allegedly found by far the most evidence against me?

Well basically just the frequent, short posts and your overall attitude, I just don't like it. Kinda like why I'm iffy about Lari, all the banter and such just doesn't sit well with me. I honestly wish I could give you more, but I don't have it. There's just a large amount of people that aren't striking me as being guilty, mostly just insane, probably cause of Sally's assignments. It's making the game very interesting in that there aren't many I find suspicious, I'm just really hoping to get lucky.


Hmmm. She's just really hoping to get lucky. Whereas I was by far the more suspicious three posts ago, notice that she now compares her case against me to her case against Lariren, which consisted of, approximately: "she just makes me uneasy."


Conclusion: Reasonably Suspicious
Wilwarin, to me, seems to be either an ordo who is very busy and doesn't have the time to put extensive thought into this game, or a wereduck who is trying to avoid suspicion by being non-comittal and low-key. Her cases against myself, Lariren, and Durelin are very, very flimsy and seem artificial, as if she was making them up and hadn't done a very thorough job. There is some inconsistency, too, which is by no means an indicator of evil-intentions, though it is easier to fall into contradiction when you aren't telling the truth.

[Nienna]

On Mith

I'm beginning to agree with Izzy about Mith being on her own team... I remember in Shasta's game Fea was the Black Queen and on her own team and she couldn't be killed by the wolves on the first try. Maybe something like this is happening. It could be that Mith was chosen for the kill last night, as some have suggested, and being on her own team wasn't able to be killed. Since she may be 'tricked out' then maybe she had the ability to find out someone's role (Lommy) and is trying to now help the village kill off ducks (definitely still a good idea) but so that she can pick off the villagers as well. She has never said that she was an innocent or that she was on the village's team just that as long as she was helping the village they should keep her alive.

*sigh... still confused but maybe slightly less so?*

[wilwarin538]

here....reading...

[Gwathagor]

Conclusion: Reasonably Suspicious

I actually need to change this to "Somewhat Suspicious." I think that's more accurate.

[Rikae]

Just so everything is perfectly clear:

I was only throwing that out there. I can't eliminate Mith; you have to.

I can neutralize the efforts of our worst enemy, in a way, if I'm lucky - whoever it may be.

That's all.

[Kath]

I'm going to look at the posts of my two potential votees and see if I can decide between them.

Lari first:

Day 1:
Huge amounts of pointless banter.

Some good ideas about possible role requirements and possible actual roles as well. The good cobbler idea is an interesting one and she does come up with the idea of someone having extra voting power.

Makes a list with not one single bit of reasoning and votes Durelin, who isn't even at the top of her guilty list, again with any reasoning.

Day 2:
Seemed to have an awful lot of confusion over the Lover role yet at the same time knew a lot about past roles. Which is what makes me a little suspicious of her when she acts the newbie.

Really keen on promoting the trailless kill idea, perhaps to try and keep people thinking there is nothing to see in the kill. Again that odd comment I noticed yesterDay.

List post - comes up with Lommy, Rikae, Mith, Mac and wilwa as suspects. Most of the reasoning is based on bad feelings with only her Mac suspicion having any real strength to it.

Votes Gwath - no reasoning in the post, having had no mention of him all Day.

Day 3:
Some good thoughts on what happened at Night.

Alright so most of my suspicion is based around the odd comment from yesterDay, the lack of reasoning behind any of her suspects and the complete randomness of her vote for Gwath with it's lack of explanation toDay.

Brinn next.

[Brinniel]

Brinn - not actually liking her playing style this game. Or, not the playing style exactly but the fact that she seems to be really holding back. It feels like she doesn't trust herself to post substance.
Do you think I'm holding back because I'm not making long thought-out posts containing lists for a change? You do know this is a behaviour modification game, right?

[Kath]

Now Brinn.

I was doing this at the same time as I was doing Lari which is why it follows on.

Day 1:
Huge amounts of pointless banter.

At the point where she becomes 'serious' she only really says who she won't vote for. Does make a good point about watching out for voting based on playing style.

Says she doesn't like Legate or Lommy's votes. Well she was right about Lommy but that could be due to being a fellow wolf or an innocent so that's not much help.

To answer a point of hers, I said to focus on the chatterers because while I think it possible that one person might have a requirement of not posting any substance I don't believe that any more than one person would have that requirement so I don't think it was a silly idea to look at them at all - especially now that my suspicions lie with two of those people.

Votes Legate and does have reasoning from earlier.

Day 2:
Nothing of substance, and I mean nothing, until we get to about post 498 and even then it's only asking Gwath to talk more. She complained the Day before about me singling her out when she wasn't around but she didn't really redeem herself here.

Talks about some players, only really has reasoning behind her conclusions for one person.

Pops up with suspicion of wilwa and Lommy. I wouldn't put it past her to be a wolf and have joined the Lommy bandwagon as I said earlier.

Defends Gwath which is interesting. Most people yesterDay seemed to think that both Gwath and Lommy were suspicious but to varying degrees with Lommy coming out top whereas Brinn argued Gwath's innocence and went for Lommy. Depending on what Gwath turns out to be (if he's anything) that could be a very good choice for a wolf willing to sacrifice a packmate.

Votes Lommy - no reasoning in the post.

Day 3:
Good thoughts on what happened at Night.

Lists wilwa, Nienna, me and Durelin as worrying but with no reasoning. Wonders about Rikae and does have a reason for that.

Goes with the Rikae thing.

My problem here is that so much of my suspicion is based on feelings, which is what I just suspected Lari for. But I'm wary that every reason I'm thinking of for suspecting Brinn could be due to that bad feeling I have about her. That said she hasn't had a huge amount of reasoning behind her suspicions. I think though that I find Lari more suspicious in general, especially because I can find more concrete reasons.

[Macalaure]

Guilty
n.a. - dammit.

Guilty enough
Lari - everything says stone her, but my feeling says it'd be unwise.
Nienna - too uncommitted, and even when she gives reasons, they seem fishy. Not much real evidence, but a rather bad feeling. It's Day3, so her newbie protection has expired. ;)

unsure
Nerwen
Nilp
Nogrod
Rikae - there's more to her than she shows, therefore I think I'll be careful about voting her.
Wilwa

Innocent enough
Brinn - as others said, she seems to be holding something back. Otherwise, not worried.
Durelin
Gwath
Kath - has been reasonable enough toDay.
Mith - question mark about her actual role, but that will resolve itself eventually.

Innocent
Fea
Isabellkya

For me, it will come down to Lari or Nienna and whoever out of the unsure group decides to act suspiciously between now and soon.

[Kath]

Do you think I'm holding back because I'm not making long thought-out posts containing lists for a change? You do know this is a behaviour modification game, right?
No to the first question, yes to the second. My behaviour has been horribly modified toDay but I'm getting my points across and I've got reasoning in there. I don't believe that your modification would stop you doing that effectively. I'm not suspecting you because of your playing style, I'm suspecting you because you complain about me being suspicious of you when you've not been around but when you are around you're just posting nonsense half the time. I'm suspecting you because I don't believe that three people's role requirements would be to post nonsense which seemed to be your argument.

[wilwarin538]

seems to be either an ordo who is very busy and doesn't have the time to put extensive thought into this game

Yes...which I'm sorry for, when I signed up I thought I'd have more time then I actually do, but I'm trying my hardest.

Ok, so I read through today, I'm gonna do a list thing, and yes lots has changed for me since yesterDay, I'll admit my past list was put together quite quickly and with quite a small degree of though. But right now I'm in no rush so quite a bit more thought has gone into this:


Fea: I'm thinking she's got a pretty crazy "assignment" for how she has to post, it would actually surprise me if she's a duck, I'm thinking she's either an ord or has a made up role or something.

Brinn: hmmm, I actually don't have to much of a read on her, though I'm leaning morish towards innocent, nothing really pops out to much for me

Durelin: I said yesterDay there was bad feelings and such, still kinda there, and no I don't have anything to back them up, but I don't think I'll vote for her

Nogrod: Starting to not feel as good about him, what Izzy said in her post at 692 kinda struck something with me, I'll be coming back with more of my own oppinion after, don't want to base it just on what someone else said

Izzy: feel pretty good about her too, not actually much to say

Nerwen: uh, her last minute votes, or lack thereof, really bug me, and I know she has this "assignment" to be all peppy and stuff, but that's all I'm seeing from her, I'm not seeing really any effort despite the large amount of posts, the voting thing though mostly I don't like

Rikae: yeah, I had put her in the "sure about" column yesterDay, honestly that had been somewhat of a random placement, all the cobbler suspicions are making quite a bit of sense, though I'm greatly curious to see what she thinks will happen toNight, for all we know it's something good, so I'm inclined to keep her around toDay, though next Day I wouldn't hesitate to vote for her

Mith: I trust her, I'm thinking the wolves thought her a Seer and chose her as their kill, and she wasn't the Seer but something else, seemingly the phantom's apprentice. This could be good for us, so I'm not gonna vote for her, and think about it, the wolves probably tried to kill her and it didn't work, so if we tried it may not work either anyway. But I think we should keep her around.

Kath: liking what I see, she's making sense and seems to be thinking very logically, if she has an "assignment" I can't figure out what it may be.

Lari: uhm, yeah, still not liking, her banter from Day 1 won't leave my head and since then she just seems so.....so.....I don't even know, this is a gut feeling, though I'm seeing that some attention was brought to her because of her vote yesterDay, I'll need to go check out what happened there more closely.

Mac: not really standing out either way for me, though he seems to be useful, I'm inclined to think well of him

Nienna: she's here and there for me, at times I find her pretty clean at others there's things I don't like, won't be voting for her but will be keeping a close eye on her

Gwath: haha, my personal spell checker I suppose ;)....I was quite suspicious of him yesterDay, and I still stand by my reasoning, I don't think I'll be voting for him again however, but I still don't trust him...though I like that he puts a capital W on my name

Nilp: wow, so mixed up, I honestly find him amusing, and very odd, but not suspicious, he was added to the game last minute and I honestly believe his role is to mess with our heads

Don't believe I missed anyone.....so that's it for now, I'll be gone for about the next 2.5 hours, ish. Then I should probably be back pretty consistently til the end of the Day.

x'posted since Gwath

[Kath]

Time to vote so:

++LARI

Between Brinn and Lari I feel more sure of her. When I looked through the Gwath voters she seemed pretty suspicious and then that 'I can't explain because of my role but also because I'm busy' post didn't really help things. In addition my reasoning for Brinn seems to be based mostly on feelings and I'm not confident about voting on those.

And that's it from me.

[Gwathagor]

Yes...which I'm sorry for, when I signed up I thought I'd have more time then I actually do, but I'm trying my hardest.


Perhaps, and perhaps you're just taking advantage of the potential excuse I suggested in my post, i.e. busyness. Hmmm.

[Nogrod]

Okay.

I think it as obvious as any thing in this odd game can be, that Mith is the phantom's apprentice. Remember how much she talked about tp in the first Days and compare it to her now. So that was a posting requirement: before you get your "mission" done (or whatever it is) you'll have to idolise tp but then you are released from it.

Now what follows from that? We surely don't know. Maybe she has a power to distract the ducks once in the game? Maybe she gets new powers after being attacked at Night? Maybe she became immortal as the narration suggests?

But whatever the answer is, I would strongly advice against lynching her. At least for the time being. We owe her a deathless Night anyway and she might still help us.

There's a possibility she was turned into a duck when being attacked, but I do doubt that one. It was said in the narration that the ducks were permanently scarred from the blinding light PA flashed. It doesn't feel like joining them but defeating them to me.

X'd since wilwa...

[Brinniel]

when you are around you're just posting nonsense half the time. I'm suspecting you because I don't believe that three people's role requirements would be to post nonsense which seemed to be your argument.
No, that was not my argument. And while I have made a few nonsense posts, saying that half of my posts have no substance is a bit of an exaggeration. While you say you aren't suspecting based on style, you still seem to be suspecting based on behaviour.

[Brinniel]

Nogrod, I agree with you. Not only because of her earlier talk of phantom, but also because she seemed to be one of the more obvious targets for last Night. It makes sense.

I don't think she's on the ducks' side, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's on our side either. But either way, I say it's smartest to leave her alone for now at least.

[Mithalwen]

[QUOTE=Nogrod;590476]Okay.

I think it as obvious as any thing in this odd game can be, that Mith is the phantom's apprentice. Remember how much she talked about tp in

Now what follows from that? We surely don't know. Maybe she has a power to distract the ducks once in the game? Maybe she gets new powers after being attacked at Night? Maybe she became immortal as the narration suggests?

But whatever the answer is, I would strongly advice against lynching her. At least for the time being. We owe her a deathless Night anyway and she might still help us.

QUOTE]

Nogrod maybe you looked at my first post ;) ..... I long ago said that TP and I had a Pythia /Deity relationship but I will not hobble like a hag after his bright feet.... :(

[Isabellkya]

Hmm.

Could see myself voting for toDay:

Lari - Because she is looking to be guilty of having feathers. Though, I'm slightly disinclined to actually vote for her, since toDay seems like it would be a cop-out for me.

Mac - For the most part, he looks really innocent. The last time I remember him looking this innocent - he was super furry.

Nienna - She is starting to creep me out. I have the feeling she is following people too much.


Maaaybe:

Nerwen - She is probably just an Ordo with a heinous posting requirement of cheerleader. Though her voting of Lommy yesterDay is suspicious.

Brin - She is probably restrained by her posting requirement as well. However, I'm not entirely comfortable in her jump of suspicions against Lommy.


Not so much toDay:

Mith - Eh. She knows things. What and how she knows what she knows, I've no idea. Definitely something funny going on.

Rikae - She knows things. I suspect how and what are different compared to Mith. Again, I've no idea. Another one who is inflicted with funniness.

Nog - He is definitely a Duck. I just don't know if full were or not.


Nah, looking a bit sparkly:

Gwath - Meh. Nothing looks overtly suspicious.

Dury - Same as Gwath.

Kath - Same as Dury.


Nah, no idea:

Fea - She definitely seems to be heavily restrained by her posting requirement. So, she is probably an ordo.

Nilp - He is crazy. Why he would claim to be the Apprentice, then disregard it - not sure.

Wilwa - She is more innocent, but I've still no idea.


X'd since Kath's #708.

[Mithalwen]

Ok need to go but while I don't retract a thing I have said...

++Kath

Sometimes revenge is a dish best served very cold.

[Nogrod]

Bah, I fought with my Firefox for a while and then it went down, but there's always the bad old Explorer...


I do agree with the comments that Rikae looks cobblerish. Looking at the way her posting develops toDay is interesting indeed...

First she tried the card of knowing things others don't - especially knowing something about the "real seer" (what would be more easy to say in a game of frustratingly odd roles left and right?). Then she started calling us to lynch her if we dare to suspect her. And there was no heavy suspecting towards her in between these two first ones.

Then came this which really freaks me out: Leaving me alive is great - for my side - as you shall see toNight.Promising to do something so that we should not lynch her toDay - but at the same time remaining incomprehensive, almost threathening.

Later she came back and got more specific by saying she is able to neutralize the efforts of "our worst enemy, in a way, if lucky".

So first it would be great and we could see it toNight - and then it was only possible, in a way, if she got lucky... :rolleyes:


So what is she? Not a gifted on our side. No and no. I had this same feeling already on Day1 as you can see if you go back there. But neither do I think she is a member of the duck-trio - or is she just aiming at this kind of reaction? Maybe she is the bad counterpart of Mith who gets her speciality after accomplishing something?

Or maybe she is the cobbler as she feels like being? Confusion, missed energies, possibly wishing to die instead of letting us to get a duck? The cobbler-role(s) sure must be modified as well, so maybe she actually knows something - and is a cobbler at the same time?

Anyway, if she is a cobbler we should probably try to lynch a duck first.

[Macalaure]

Voting time for me.

I still don't have a good feeling about voting Lari, and I don't like it how often she is mentioned. I have some vague picture of Nog, Rikae, and Wilwa, but I don't have any clue about the other two in my unsure group - Nerwen and Nilp. I'd like to lynch them just to find out, but that's not a good idea in general. I'm not entirely sure I'm doing the right thing with this vote either, but it's my best guess:

++Nienna

[Nogrod]

When has Mith changed her sig into this? ... unforseen by even the Valar, good and evil united, and the forces of greyness swept over the lands unchecked, doing deeds of compassion and cruelty far and wide.
And Mithalwen beheld all that was done, and saw that it was good - and evil:eek:
Just a freaking idea. Mith - and possibly Rikae as well - are kind of "real neutrals". Not on our side and not on the side of the ducks.

That would make things quite problematic.

And which would be their victory-conditions? "To survive" comes to mind... but I don't think so as they would have played differently then... *confused*

[Isabellkya]

If Mith were neutral - why would she tell us that we could get rid of her after she finds the Ducks? Doesn't seem too neutral to me.

Rikae was talking about a hairbrush earlier in the Day. And her phrasing on "sides" is a bit on the ambiguous ....side.

[Durelin]

I'm inclined to ignore Rikae right now because I know she wants to be lynched. Besides, she's fun to have around when she's like this. ;) Her vague suggestions of extra knowledge and dangerous powers seem very much like she's just having fun...but as she's said herself, she's not on our side... Really considering this game in general I wonder if we should worry about her a bit more than we'd usually be inclined to...

I agree that Mith should not be lynched toDay. I am not sure why she's still being vague, but obviously she does not have a straightforward role. Pretty typical, eh?

All I ask is that I am not lynched while I am still delivering ducks for the village. I can't prove I am not bluffing but even if it were a bluff why not profit from it while you can?

I suppose you can't tell us how you are able to 'deliver' ducks to us, either? I don't know how many people voted for Lommy following your lead yesterDay and I don't know how many will follow your lead toDay. I voted for Lommy because I actually found her guilty. Granted, I find Nienna rather suspicious, too, and you mentioned her earlier as your target. So we'll see, eh?

Mac - For the most part, he looks really innocent. The last time I remember him looking this innocent - he was super furry.

Hehe, oh I remember that. His Day 1 behavior was a little inconsistent, but I can see what you mean.

Wilwarin, to me, seems to be either an ordo who is very busy and doesn't have the time to put extensive thought into this game, or a wereduck who is trying to avoid suspicion by being non-comittal and low-key.

Indeed. Nienna seems the same way to me. I find Nienna more suspicious only because I recall wilwa came across this way to me last game, as well.

Lari has been quite similarly non-comittal and on the edge of things, and her vote looks really bad. Maybe too bad, considering.

(Edit: crossed with everyone since Mith's vote...and oookay, I guess she changed targets.)

[Durelin]

Just a freaking idea. Mith - and possibly Rikae as well - are kind of "real neutrals". Not on our side and not on the side of the ducks.

If Mith were neutral - why would she tell us that we could get rid of her after she finds the Ducks? Doesn't seem too neutral to me.

Maybe Mith is the postulated good cobbler and Rikae the bad cobbler.

[Isabellkya]

Ahahaha.
I wonder if Rikae searches for the Hunter ... and "neutralizes" them - taking away their ability to hunt.


*off to pontificate more to self*


X'd with Dury.

[Nienna]

Yes sweetie we could but I am fairly confident that you are only a cobbler and the priority is to get rid of the duckies .... and sorry Nienna but at the moment you are still top of the hit list. Nothing personal...just business...

Ok so Mith you claim that I am on the top of your hitlist (for no apparent reason) and yet you vote for Kath. I don't understand what your reasoning is for your suspicions of anyone or even your vote. I'm not complaining that you switched your vote to hopefully catch a feathered-one but that is really suspicious.

[Nogrod]

Maybe Mith is the postulated good cobbler and Rikae the bad cobbler.But if Mith had such a power she possibly had last Night, then God forbid what powers the bad cobbler might have! And Rikae told us there would be some fireworks the next Night if she was left alive toDay and that it would be good for her side... :eek:

Looking back how insistent Rikae has been on lynching Mith from Day1 I'm now getting more confident those two might be a pair of some kind with weird cababilities.

This is getting both interesting and complicated... and I need some sleep shortly.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

To Nog, about Mith's sig:

Been that way for a while. Quote snatched directly from Shasta's game, where we declared her the sole victor.

Keep calm. Carry on.

[Nogrod]

Keep calm. Carry on.Thanks for the info. I only paid attention to it just a moment ago and kind of freaked out... :rolleyes:

[Isabellkya]

I remember it being shorter.

[Nogrod]

So I seem to have dwelled too long with Mith and Rikae as my time runs out.

Time wasted? Only time will tell.

So what then?

I'd strongly advice against lynching Brinn or Fea.

Or Kath to that matter; she has shown her qualities today (unlike poor Shasta who never rose to the occasion but went on from half-wittedness to babbling nonsense of strange cultures - blessed be his soul now that he is gone).


With Durelin I'm not too confident but as long as she continues to post that much of substance I'd like to have her around. She might make a difference were she a goodie or then got stumbled with her opinions vs. voting record & stuff like that were she a baddie.

The same goes for Mac. Every other time I get really bad vibes from him and on every other he feels sincere...

Isabellkya could go to the same category. I feel a bit more confident of her than with Dury or Mac, but sometimes she strikes me as a cunning duck balancing between being nice and trying to roll the ball towards those I think innocent (myself included - and that's one of the reasons I'm unhappy with my suspicions on her, that they might be based more on my feelings of her thoughts on me than to any actual things).

Of the rest I have little to say on my own as I haven't had time to go and look for them in more detail (the same goes for Izzy in part though).

There seem to be some things that rise an eyebrow to be sure - and I might pick my choice from that last-mentioned crowd as well. I need to think a minute before I vote.

[satansaloser2005]

Noggie, go to bed dang it!

*is now wishing she had gone with the idea of putting Noggie on a curfew, just to be evil*


In other news, I have an announcement to make soon. I'll keep ya posted.

[Nerwen]

YIPPEEEEE! There ARE posts!

This weird thing happened– I brought up the "Mirth page" and it was like, "Last post: Nerwen".

And I'm like, NOOOOO! Nobody's playing anymore!!!

But now it's okay!!!! I'm so happyyyyyy!:D:D:D

*off to read*

[Nogrod]

Noggie, go to bed dang it!
...
In other news, I have an announcement to make soon. I'll keep ya posted.You really think that makes me think "oh, there's nothing of importance coming in, so I should just go to sleep"? :)

But really, I have to.

So I have to make a choice. I was looking at things said about Lari and Nienna. First I thought I should vote Nienna but then I looked at her last post and realised it looks more sincere than faulty - and it made me wonder again my own convictions about Mith and Kath.

I also see the case against Lari, but now as it comes to it I'm not so sure anymore. It looks like a too easy a choice to be true - and it's not so clear she's a baddie if you look at her lists etc.

But then I came to think about this.

Nilp has not offered too much anything in a way of actually saying something and could be hiding behind that clownery - and I oppose his lists almost totally (eg. he must have evil intentions as I couldn't be that wrong :rolleyes:) + he voted on Day3 like out of thin air! One should have something to go on on Day3, please!

So it looks more like deliberate "avoiding controversies and staying behind a mask" -tactics than just toying around as an ordo with nothing to do (there are no such persons in this game - and to require Nilp to play a jester is like asking water to be moist and call it psychological pressuring of water...).

++ Nilp

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I'm the man who can't be moooved . . .

[satansaloser2005]

Middle of Day Three

The Night's events, or rather lack thereof, had finally gotten too much for the little band of refugees. They'd been driven to drink. Literally, Rikae had herded them toward the old bar, talking about her suspicions of Mith the whole way there.

By the middle of the afternoon the village was spackled, nay, plastered.

Of course they weren't quite out of it enough to not notice Wilwa rush in.

“I'm blind!” she screamed. “I'm blind!”

“Well duh,” Nilp put in, rolling his eyes and pouring himself another drink. “You'd have to be blind, deaf, or dumb to stick around here and....well, crap.”

Wilwa closed her eyes and the villagers who were watching closely were able to see blood running down her cheeks where there should have been tears as she started shouting again.

“I have seen [censored] uncloaked!”

“The next person to say 'that's what she said' dies,” remarked Nilp, but his comment was drowned out by Wilwa's shrieks of pain and they all watched as her eyes melted from her head, the flow of the white -now molten- liquid barely stopping before she collapsed to the floor.

“What....the....”

They all watched carefully, expecting the rest of her body to burst into fire, but instead of flames erupting from her skin feathers sprouted from her fingers, toes, and....well, everything else.

The rest of the were-ducks shifted uncomfortably in their chairs and, sufficiently sobered up now, the group stepped around Wilwa's corpse and left the bar to attend to business.



The Dead
Sally (stabbed in a case of mistaken identity by a non-six-fingered Phantom on Night 0)
Phantom (made into a very unhealthy breakfast on Night 0)
Legate (ordo, pickled on Day 1)
Mira (Ophelia, ordo, drowned on Night 1)
Shasta (Hamlet, ordo, semi-accidentally poisoned on Night 1)
Lommie (were-duck, axed on Day 2)
Wilwa (were-duck, blinded by the light (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcWVL4B-4pI&feature=PlayList&p=0CED252FDFEFE16B&index=17) in the middle of Day 3)


A note: Wilwa was not modfired, she was killed mid-Day by....erm, can't say now, can I? ;)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

That's what she said.

[satansaloser2005]

That's what she said.


++NILP



:Merisu:

[Mnemosyne]

Oi!

[satansaloser2005]

Oi!

Watch it, Duck Girl!

[Nienna]

*now is officially more confused than ever*

[Mnemosyne]

Watch it, Duck Girl!

Watch it, Mod Wench!

*backhands*

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I'm not moving . . .

I'm not moooviiiiing!!!

[Mnemosyne]

*now is officially more confused than ever*

OMG YAYZ0RZ!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Um.

?

[satansaloser2005]

Oh shut up, people! :p


Going to a late supper. Back before deadline, and if you need me before then Lari's got my number and she can let me know. Back soon, dear minions!

[Nerwen]

Um.

?

Seconded:????????:confused::confused::confused:

[Brinniel]

:eek:

And apparently I was right about wilwa too....

[Rikae]

So are all the ducks going to die one by one now, having seen Mith the Gray (or whoever) uncloaked?

In that case, the only sensible thing to do is to lynch someone we don't suspect of being a duck, since there must be other baddies about, or the game would be over.

[satansaloser2005]

Note: there are clues in this narration, not about people but about how Wilwa ended up dead. Suffice to say that it was a mid-Day kill by someone who completed a task and had a kill as a result.


EDIT: x'd with Brinn and Rikae. And to answer Rikae's question, no.

[Nerwen]

I think... whatever the phantom's apprentice does, he or she just did it.

EDIT: x'd since Brinniel.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Fear me.

[Durelin]

Note: there are clues in this narration, not about people but about how Wilwa ended up dead. Suffice to say that it was a mid-Day kill by someone who completed a task and had a kill as a result.

Rikae got us all drunk?