WWLVIII: Escape From Angband (or Behavioral Modification)

[Mithalwen]

I know how many beans make five....

AndI am not so green as cabbage looking.

[satansaloser2005]

Kath regrets to inform y'all (except she obviously didn't say y'all) that she will in face be absent for the rest of the Day, since the Downs crash hasn't quite unhappened for her. That is all.

In other news, Rikae, that video was amazing. Now off to dinner and church; back in plenty of time to kill one (or more) of you. Play nice, chillens! :)

~~Your Moddess~~


EDIT: x'd with Nog and Mith. The hatchling comment re:Nienna was only in reference to the fact that she's never played before.

[Mithalwen]

I am sorry I haven't posted before. This is because having not actually agreed definitively to participate in this game I have been being following Voltaire's advice in the pleasantly suprising springlike weather my part of the world has been experiencing and havent' been on line for three days.

However after the last game, it seems my will is irrelevant to my participation so in this- is this what they call a meta-existence? I may as well try and work out what on earth is going on.... *sighs*

Exixtence - without him, what is the point?

Phantom? Whyfor did you go and leave me?

[Mithalwen]

Well in maternal solidarity

++Durelin

[Nogrod]

Well in maternal solidarity

++DurelinWhy don't you help you son - and us - by voting Rikae?

[Mithalwen]

Because Rikae is just full of sound and fury.

[Mithalwen]

Goodnight.

[Rikae]

There are three cobblers and three ducks. Nyah.

[Rikae]

I don't know about the others, but Sally certainly gave me additional abilities. I can, in fact, stop someone's nightly activities from working. Honesty, joking aside. Whether you consider that a good thing or a bad thing depends on your role, I suppose.

[Isabellkya]

I doubt that.

[Gwathagor]

Wait, before you go, Mith...

If it makes any difference, I'm the seer. Brinniel and I were modified lovers. Our fates were only combined if one of us was lynched, not killed at Night.

Mac, Fea, Mithalwen, and Nogrod are innocent. Mithalwen is the Phantom's Apprentice.

[Rikae]

Moddess, he dreamed of Fea when I picked her. What gives?

[the phantom]

If it makes any difference, I'm the seer.
Your mom's the seer.

[Mithalwen]

I know you are Gwath, and that the jist of what you say is true.

[Isabellkya]

Ah, what silliness.

[Mithalwen]

I fear if I speak more tonight it will be my swansong.

[Nogrod]

I can, in fact, stop someone's nightly activities from working. Honesty, joking aside. Whether you consider that a good thing or a bad thing depends on your role, I suppose.Well Mith did that already once as you well know...

But if you guys are just free agents what then? I'm a bit sceptical of someone being just a free agent with no goal left or right. I'd bet you have other goals and or abilities as well - or is it that you Rikae are just trying to make us think the ability Mith has is the one you have as well - so as not to reveal your real cababilities?

Otherwise: whoa! Interesting things indeed!

And why do they always need to happen just as I'm planning to go to sleep? :(

[Gwathagor]

I know you are Gwath, and that the jist of what you say is true.

Just the gist? Did I get something wrong?

[Nogrod]

Moddess, he dreamed of Fea when I picked her. What gives?You picked her to what? To be the next duck?

[Rikae]

Nog, never mind, apparently I'm a false - whatever I am. Unless Gwath is lying.

[Mnemosyne]

I fear if I speak more tonight it will be my swansong.

Yes. Yes, it will be.

[Mithalwen]

Not wrong. No.

[Isabellkya]

Indeed you did, you aren't the seer.
I said so Days ago.

[Mithalwen]

Oops byeee.... Xposted with Mnemo of Doom

[Durelin]

In the middle of a stress attack was not a good time to check the thread... ><

[Durelin]

Why now, Gwath? If you are who you say you are... :confused:

This seems like a real mess now.

[Nerwen]

Wait, before you go, Mith...

If it makes any difference, I'm the seer. Brinniel and I were modified lovers. Our fates were only combined if one of us was lynched, not killed at Night.

Mac, Fea, Mithalwen, and Nogrod are innocent. Mithalwen is the Phantom's Apprentice.

YES! GO GWATH!

...Um... how did you get so many dreams, though?:confused:

Moddess, he dreamed of Fea when I picked her. What gives?

Is this your "blocking Fea's abilities" role or you now an assassin, too, Rikae?

Okay... I have to go... I can't sort the rest of this out, so

++Rikae

Self-confessed cobbler and maybe more...

Might be worth someone going back and checking what we were talking about just before she came out as a baddie, though.

GOOD LUCK!!!
GO VILLAGE TEAM!!!!

EDIT: bolding; X'd with heaps of people.
EDIT 2: deleted extra quote.

[Gwathagor]

...Um... how did you get so many dreams, though?:confused:


My dreams were:

Night 0 - Fea
Night 1 - Nogrod
Night 2 - Mac
Night 3 - Mith

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Mac, Fea, Mithalwen, and Nogrod are innocent. Mithalwen is the Phantom's Apprentice.

Four dreams. Doesn't line up. Spare dream?

*reads further*

Ah.

Why reveal now? Answers expected.

[Gwathagor]

Why reveal now? Answers expected.

Because I think having some firm knowledge will help us make better voting choices.

[Durelin]

Indeed you did, you aren't the seer.
I said so Days ago.

? Answers also expected of Izzy?

You picked her to what? To be the next duck?

I believe Rikae is suggesting that she is able to block the seer from dreaming of certain people.

If she is not bluffing, which is obviously so completely possible it's ridiculous, then perhaps the cobbler(s??) are good to get rid of in this game...

I'm still looking at Lari to go for a wolf, Rikae to at least get rid of a cobbler and maybe something more, and at Nilp and now Izzy for...I don't even know what...

Edit: Crossed with Gwath

[Nogrod]

Could you please explain Rikae what were you choosing / picking Fea for? And why are you irritated to the mods that you "picked" her at the same Night Gwath dreamed of her?

You said you had a capability of preventing someone's Nightly action but what was Fea doing that Night that you "hindered her actions" as you say? Why are you startled by the fact that nothing happened if it was just preventing her actions you were doing?

You didn't say you were preventing Gwath's actions that Night - and how could you as you were wrong about the Night (or purposefully just claimed a thing there) as it looks like you were thinking of Night2, right?

What I mean: Gwath said: Mac, Fea, Mithalwen, and Nogrod are innocent.Then Rikae immediately answered: Moddess, he dreamed of Fea when I picked her. What gives?How do you know you were picking her on the same Night Gwath dreamed of her? So you just thought it was the question of Night2 as Gwath put Fea as second in the list? But according to Gwath it was already on Night0 he checked her. So what gives, indeed?

I would understand you would be angry if she didn't turn into a duck even if you tried... maybe Brinn covered her that Night or something.


And anyway. Three wereducks voted for Gwath on the Day Lommy died, so I'm ready to lay quite a bet on him being the more trustworthy of you two.


PS. I believe Rikae is suggesting that she is able to block the seer from dreaming of certain people.But she said she had picked "her" eg. Fea - and not Gwath (him...). To prevent someone you surely prevent someone from doing something so Rikae would have had to prevent Gwath, not anyone that could be referred to as her.

[Nogrod]

Adding to the previous...
I believe Rikae is suggesting that she is able to block the seer from dreaming of certain people.And I think that kind of person is not someone we'd wish to have around now would we - even without a possibility of her being able to produce more ducks?

[Durelin]

I was thinking that maybe she gets to pick someone each night and if the seer tries to dream of them they aren't able to. Then it's a question of if the person she picks on a particular night is only immune to being dream that night, or if they are made immune indefinitely. The latter seems like a bit too much. And there's a pretty darn big chance she's just bluffing anyway, so not sure how much we want to dwell on it...

[Durelin]

No, no she's not, especially if she has such a power. But I'm not going to vote quite yet.

[Nogrod]

I have to vote now anyway (a bit less than five hours to sleep now).

Whatever she is, I'd bet a lot she's up to no good. Just look at her reactions and explanations - and that latest one of her being annoyed she didn't get to pick Fea in whatever way she wanted to, as Fea was shown as an innocent to the seer (even if Gwath is bluffing her reaction still stands).

A good guy wishing the seer not to dream of someone? You believe it if you will, but I won't.

++ Rikae

[Isabellkya]

To Dury. An explanation.

As I said on Day Two - there is no seer.
There are people who fancy themselves to be the seer, because they know more than the average villager. Some, are not at liberty to even infer that they know more. Just because you think you are a seer, because of your abilities - does not a seer make.


X'd with Nog.

[Nogrod]

No, no she's not, especially if she has such a power. What do you think Rikae was "picking" (Rikae's own term!!!) Fea for then? To join a tupperware-party? :rolleyes:

[Gwathagor]

Nilp ++ Mac (Mac 1)
Nilp – Mac ( )
Fea ++ Nilp (Nilp 1)
Fea – Nilp ( )
Rikae ++ Mac (Mac 1)
Nilp ++ Durelin (Dury 1, Mac 1)
Mac ++ Rikae (Rikae 1, Dury 1, Mac 1)
Mith ++ Durelin (Dury 2, Rikae 1, Mac 1)
Nerwen ++ Rikae (Rikae 2, Dury 2, Mac 1)
Nogrod ++ Rikae (Rikae 3, Dury 2, Mac 1)

[Isabellkya]

Oh.
Haha. Right in front of my face.
I think I completely understand Rikae's role now. I doubt she is as dangerous as the WereDucks.


X'd with Gwath.

[Gwathagor]

To Dury. An explanation.

As I said on Day Two - there is no seer.
There are people who fancy themselves to be the seer, because they know more than the average villager. Some, are not at liberty to even infer that they know more. Just because you think you are a seer, because of your abilities - does not a seer make.


X'd with Nog.

Actually, I'm the seer - according to sally, at any rate. And I get these crazy dreams at Night and stuff. It's wild.

[Nogrod]

Oh.
Haha. Right in front of my face.
I think I completely understand Rikae's role now. I doubt she is as dangerous as the WereDucks.Don't listen to that cobbler there... unless she really has a good explanation for her "complete understanding". Somehow she just decided to play confident but for some reason not to say out aloud what is her idea of Rikae's role (buying time to come up with one?).

But by saying "I doubt she is as dangerous as the WereDucks" she admits Rikae is up to no good, so she could as well tell us what is her theory (or clear and self-evident vision "in front of her face"). One doesn't need to shy away from revealing a baddie of any sort; one only needs to be careful not to reveal a special goodie.

And this also is the reason why we shouldn't try any double- or triple-lynches toDay. There are too many unknown factors around who could twist the vote at the last minutes - and fex. the cobblers would be happy to sacrifice themselves for the greater glory of the ducks (not to speak of possible other baddies who could get their evil extra-capabilities triggered by a lynch the next Day).

Now to sleep for good.

[Rikae]

Lest anybody have second thoughts (God forbid!):

--Macalaure

++Rikae

So long, duckies, sorry I couldn't be more helpful!

[Gwathagor]

That's interesting.



Nilp ++ Mac (Mac 1)
Nilp – Mac ( )
Fea ++ Nilp (Nilp 1)
Fea – Nilp ( )
Rikae ++ Mac (Mac 1)
Nilp ++ Durelin (Dury 1, Mac 1)
Mac ++ Rikae (Rikae 1, Dury 1, Mac 1)
Mith ++ Durelin (Dury 2, Rikae 1, Mac 1)
Nerwen ++ Rikae (Rikae 2, Dury 2, Mac 1)
Nogrod ++ Rikae (Rikae 3, Dury 2, Mac 1)
Rikae – Mac (Rikae 3, Dury 2)
Rikae ++ Rikae (Rikae 4, Dury 2)


I'm curious why we're lynching Rikae rather than trying to find a duck. Is it the attraction of lynching a practically known cobbler rather than a supposed duck? I am still all for making it a double lynch and getting rid of both Nilp and Rikae.

[Gwathagor]

Oh yeah, just throwing this out there - I'm pretty sure the reason Brinn was killed was that one of the wolves figured out that we were lovers and so were trying to kill two birds with one stone.

[Gwathagor]

Just in case anyone feels similarly:

++NILP

[Gwathagor]

were trying to kill two birds with one stone.

Ha ha. Oh that's an ironic figure of speech to use.

[Gwathagor]

Just in case anyone feels similarly:

++NILP

I'd MUCH prefer to vote Kath, but she's off-limits toDay. Darn internet.

[Durelin]

I'm borrowing internet because my school network went down AGAIN. So I'm just voting and running (not that there is much time left anyway).

++Rikae

[Isabellkya]

Nog.
I say she probably isn't as dangerous as the WereDucks - because I don't think she is able to actually kill anyone. Unless of course she is a WereDuck.. with extra special powers.

I'm 98% confident, that I know the someone whom she stated she was looking for. Like theorized - she could block someone from being dreamed of. Now, think about it. So, she has to pick someone to "block". Whomever she picks for the Night, has to be the same as the "seer's" choice - as inferred for the most part.

She blocks a dream... so? She blocks the ducks from being dreamed? She didn't use a plural form, but singular. Unless of course she wasn't telling the whole truth. So why would she just block a singular person from being dreamed? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense does it.

The only problem, is that there is no seer.

X'd with Durelin.

[Isabellkya]

I don't believe I can say it any plainer for you.

[Nerwen]

Hi, all! Just got an unexpected chance to post! Isn't that awesome?:)

EDIT: punctuation.

[Nerwen]

But Izzy... how can you know there's no Seer?:confused:

*is agog*

[Gwathagor]

The only problem, is that there is no seer.



What do you mean? Am I lying, then?

[Gwathagor]

What do you mean? Am I lying, then?

Or, more to the point, has sally been lying to me all along?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Or, more to the point, has sally been lying to me all along?

Indeed.

I find myself saying, "But--! Well, unless Sally was lying..."

[Gwathagor]

Or, more to the point, has sally been lying to me all along?

I find this highly unlikely, but I'd still like you to explain how you know what you claim to know, Isabellkya.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Nilp ++ Mac (Mac 1)
Nilp – Mac ( )
Fea ++ Nilp (Nilp 1)
Fea – Nilp ( )
Rikae ++ Mac (Mac 1)
Nilp ++ Durelin (Dury 1, Mac 1)
Mac ++ Rikae (Rikae 1, Dury 1, Mac 1)
Mith ++ Durelin (Dury 2, Rikae 1, Mac 1)
Nerwen ++ Rikae (Rikae 2, Dury 2, Mac 1)
Nogrod ++ Rikae (Rikae 3, Dury 2, Mac 1)
Rikae – Mac (Rikae 3, Dury 2)
Rikae ++ Rikae (Rikae 4, Dury 2)
Gwath ++ Nilp (Rikae 4, Dury 2, Nilp 1)
Dury ++ Rikae (Rikae 5, Dury 2, Nilp 1)

++RIKAE

Other issues can be attended to at another time.

I find the possibility of a multi-lynch rather unacceptable without knowing things as certain.

[Lariren Shadow]

++Dury

[Isabellkya]

*sigh*

Your welcome. plggh.

Because, I'm the Seer tracker. I've looked at everyone - and have found no one to be the seer. Meaning, there is no seer.

++Rikae

I guess.

X'd with Fea and Lari.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, I'm all confused and stuff.


First of all, I haven't been lying, so whatever that is pertaining to is a bunch of Bolshevik Revolution.


Someone give the moddess a vote count and I'll give you cookies.


ETA: I give you guys the chance to double lynch and you don't even take it. You suck. :(

[Gwathagor]

Hey everyone, just in case I die toNight: look very closely at Kath toMorrow. Very, VERY closely. Brinn and I talked a lot during her last hours, and we are pretty nearly sure she's a duck.

[Gwathagor]

*sigh*

Your welcome. plggh.

Because, I'm the Seer tracker. I've looked at everyone - and have found no one to be the seer. Meaning, there is no seer.



That is insanity.

Naturally.

[the phantom]

Bolshevik Revolution!!

[Isabellkya]

Why do you think I believe I know what Rikae's role to be?

[Nerwen]

Hey everyone, just in case I die toNight: look very closely at Kath toMorrow. Very, VERY closely. Brinn and I talked a lot during her last hours, and we are pretty nearly sure she's a duck.

Okay... though who knows how crazy things are going to be toMorrow?:eek:

[satansaloser2005]

Wow. Just....wow.


Rikae's dead. She was the cobbler, and had some special powers and stuff which I may or may not explain.


Rikae, I understand you had a question for me. I'll read through, find it, and PM you an answer. Well, not that it matters now, but it's nice to clear things up anyway.


Everyone shut up and go to Sleep while I read through the thread. Night!

[Gwathagor]

Your mom's part of the Bolshe -- never mind.

[Nerwen]

Why do you think I believe I know what Rikae's role to be?

Uh... because you said so?

EDIT: X'd with Gwath and the moddess.

[satansaloser2005]

Your mom's part of the Bolshe -- never mind.



HA~!

Gwath, you get cookies. For many reasons. :)


ETA: By the way, I have a huge test tomorrow that I need to study for, so please be patient with me if I don't get the narration up tonight. Also, Brinn's IS coming, I promise. It's just been a busy/stressful couple days. Thanks again for understanding!

[satansaloser2005]

All gifteds (dead and alive) please re-send your picks from the last *thinks* two Nights so I'll have them. My document with all my notes just got corrupted and I don't know if I'll be able to get it back. I sent an older version to a dead player and will be able to (hopefully) get it back, but it won't be updated, so if you can do that it would be fantastic. Thanks.

[satansaloser2005]

(insert Rikae's narration here)

Not quite Day yet. Don't post. :)

[satansaloser2005]

I had an English symposium type thing tonight and just returned. Rest assured, I'm not going to bed until I catch up on all narrations.

For now, though.


Kath is dead. She was a were-duck. (She was not modfired, by the way.)

Gwath is dead. He was the seer.

[the phantom]

Bolshevik Revolution!!

[Isabellkya]

I was so ready to vote for Kath in this very first post.

*sigh*

Two kills during the Night?
They seem to equal each other out, sort of.

Get right to it. Nilp is not a Were creature.

Remember what I said yesterDay.


Out of game stuffies. I'm on my way to bed here shortly. been up way too long today for driving. Getting used to this time change makes it harder. I shall be back tomorrow however. Don't be too hasty. :)


X'D with silly zombie.

[the phantom]

Don't be too hasty.
That's what she said.

[Nerwen]

Everybody cheer
For our greatest Seer!
Let's hear it for the mighty Gwath!
He wasn't even afraid of Kath!

YAAAAY!!!!

Stay tuned. Awesome post about Izzy coming up.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Remember what I said yesterDay.

Remember precisely. "No seer."

Gwath-seer dead.

Ploy?

Kath-duck dead.

Shrunken flock. How many left?

Vote today important. Known innocents dwindle quickly. Duck[s] only kill one per Night. Speed up death if village lynches wrong.

[Durelin]

Wow! I wonder if we're down to a lone-duck yet.

Get right to it. Nilp is not a Were creature.

Remember what I said yesterDay.

Definitely not seeing how these two are related.

A nasty cold and school + this game will be the death of me. My brain is calling it a night right now. Hopefully it will wake up at some point tomorrow.

[the phantom]

My brain is calling it a night right now.
Your mom is...

[satansaloser2005]

Phantom, how would you know that? :Merisu:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

One might presume he knows it because... that's what she said.

[the phantom]

Our phrases are stuck in their heads. The experiment is working.

[satansaloser2005]

Our phrases are stuck in their heads. The experiment is working.

Oi! The pull string in your scrawny back doesn't leave room for improv, child.

:p



P.S. And I know. Gorgeous, isn't it? :smokin:

[the phantom]

Oi! The pull string in your scrawny back doesn't leave room for improv, child.
Unless you specifically told me it did, of course.

[Durelin]

My brain is calling it a night right now.

Your mom is...

Your face is...thank God.

[satansaloser2005]

Unless you specifically told me it did, of course.


:rolleyes:



EDIT: x'd with Durie, who wins the game just because of that. ;)

[Durelin]

x'd with Durie, who wins the game just because of that.

Pwn'd!

You know, after this game no one is going to believe a word you say. If they ever did before. ;)

[Nerwen]

All about Izzy:

Get right to it. Nilp is not a Were creature.

Remember what I said yesterDay.

*scratches head* Hmmn... main thing I remember is you were a "Seer Tracker", had scried everyone (or something) and knew there was NO Seer.

And you mentioned saying this on Day 2, which is true:

#485.
*shrug*
Could be, because there is no seer Gwath.

Only, a page before that, you said:

#476.
I think I've spotted the Seer, but I'm not telling.

In other words–

LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!:D

EDIT: X'd with lots of banter.

[the phantom]

Well?

Where are all the posts?

While I'm waiting... YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DtsZkhRemM)!

YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EvIGFARhtA&feature=related).

And YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcV19rylSZc).

[Nerwen]

So quiet...

WHERE ARE YOU ALL???

*is lonely*

[Macalaure]

Ha! Kath was a duck! I knew it! Just.... who killed her? :confused:

According to Gwath, we should trust Fea, Mith, and Nogrod. Only problem is, there might be a cursed role of some sort (five baddies + cobbler from the start?), so we can't be entirely sure about them.

Mith is the phantom. Phantom's death desirable. Principle. Worth Mith's death, too? Not sure. Fea's style contagious.

I'm rather confused about Izzy's role in all this.

Who else is left?

Durelin. I think her innocent, but one evil person must be left, so I should be careful.
Nerwen. Same as above.
Lari. Same as aboves.
Nilp. I guess we'll have to lynch him eventually, though me might get a bit of a clue via Izzy now.

[Nogrod]

Well spotted Nerwen!

I'm very uncomfortable with Izzy - even if I don't think she's a duck. But a cobbler of some sort most probably. Then the question becomes how many ducks we still have and can we afford lynching her as "just a cobbler" - and what other cababilities she has than tracking the seer (I mean what is she going to do now?). Or could she be the long-ago-mentioned "good cobbler" (whatever that is)?

Izzy's #1040 still makes me think her loyalties are leaning to the dark side: Haha. Right in front of my face.
I think I completely understand Rikae's role now. I doubt she is as dangerous as the WereDucks.At that moment Rikae was leading the votes with only one vote so it looks to me like an attempt to save Rikae who clearly was up to no good - and which was confirmed by her death.

Then there is this: Because, I'm the Seer tracker. I've looked at everyone - and have found no one to be the seer. Meaning, there is no seer.To begin with it's very hard for me to come up with a concept of a role which includes "seer-tracking" and being on the good side at the same time. But then again most everything seem to be possible in this game.

How about her claim that she has looked at everyone? Everyone? Like five checks per Night or something. Or PM:ing Sally like: "Are there any seers around?". And Sally answers: "Nope.". :rolleyes:

Now why she felt a need to say that aloud is a good question that needs to be thought carefully as it would look like an insane "confession" from a baddie. I'm not sure there is a rational answer we could infer from what she has said and what has happened as the roles might be anything - but we need to try anyway.

[Nerwen]

Ha! Kath was a duck! I knew it! Just.... who killed her? :confused:

Yes, I need to know. How can I cheer if I don't know who did it?:confused:

there might be a cursed role of some sort (five baddies + cobbler from the start?)

*Nerwen once more brings her STUPENDOUS PLANET-SIZED BRAIN into play*

Hmmn. Also, if there'd been five ducks on Day Two, you'd think they'd have got Gwath lynched instead of Lommy, wouldn't you?

I'm rather confused about Izzy's role in all this.

I think she's either another cobbler, a duck, or some sort of evil gifted (edit: or a gifted cobbler, like Rikae). It's odd her voting Nienna if she's a duck, though. Mith already had two votes. (edit: irrelevant if Mac's idea is right.)

But I don't think she's one of the good guys, somehow... Maybe she is the Seer-tracker, and her job is (or was) to find the Seer and let the wolves know (Edit for clarity: still lying about having checked everyone, obviously).

ZMOG!!111!!IM LIIEK TOTALLY A GENUIS!!!1111!1!!!!GO ME111!!!!

EDIT: X'd with Nogrod; clarification. EDIT2: left out a bit.

[Mithalwen]

:DI would guess that Issy (as other brave players have in the past) was making an attempt to save Gwath after his reveal. There was a dream catcher in a game I didn't play in so I have no idea how it works. Maybe effectivey a good cobbler... a cobbler will take a fall for the wolves after all... a "good cobbler" would stick their neck out for the gifteds..

Nogrod, I read the post that freaks you as "I know that Rikae is the cobbler. ergo she isn't as dangerous as a duck". I wouldn't over analyse this it... we need to focus on killing ducks. And I think that even a shrunken flock must mean ducks rather than one duck.

Mac dear...I don't think Phantom's death is desirable ....(I would say that wouldn't I...) Mine definitely isn't...

[Nogrod]

Nogrod, I read the post that freaks you as "I know that Rikae is the cobbler. ergo she isn't as dangerous as a duck". I wouldn't over analyse this it... we need to focus on killing ducks.It's not so much the "she isn't as dangerous as ducks" - part of it, but the preceding part that makes me nervous, the "I completely understand Rikae's role now" -thing. That just doesn't look genuine.

Were she an ordinary innocent who just realised that Rikae indeed is a cobbler she would have said something along the lines of "Yay, I see now why you think Rikae is a cobbler and it fits", or ""I think Rikae is a cobbler" - and then she could have inferred that she's probably less dangerous than the actual ducks. That could have been innocentish.

But she said she suddenly understood Rikae's role completely! Practically claiming she not only knew Rikae was a cobbler but also that she knew what other cababilities, tasks and goals Rikae had - and armed with that "complete understanding" of Rikae's role she saw she was less dangerous than the ducks.

So it's a much more forceful defence - and is clearly based on something that is not true (I'm hesitant to use the word lie anymore after what happened I used it the previous time :p). There is no way Izzy suddenly gained full knowledge of every facet that went into Rikae's role, but still she claimed to have it and leaning on it tried to prevent us from lynching her.

She didn't claim "complete understanding" of Rikae's role for nothing. Making that kind of untrue claims have a reason behind them.

[Nerwen]

:DI would guess that Issy (as other brave players have in the past) was making an attempt to save Gwath after his reveal.

My thoughts exactly! Oh, except I'd probably substitute "lynch" for "save" in that sentence.;)

...Although I agree with Nogrod that she was also trying to save Rikae.

Meanwhile I think Rikae was trying to save Nilp. She was trying to drag Mith to the block, then out of the blue she confessed. What was happening then? Only Nilp going "Mwa-ha-ha!" and people arguing over whether he was a cobbler playing duck or a duck playing cobbler. I guess Rikae picked the second one.

YES! N3RW3N HAZ TEH AWSUMST BRANE EVA!!!111!!!:D

[Nerwen]

Hey!

What if Nilp's "Fibonacci sequence" doesn't refer to the number of ducks, but the Nights on which new ducks are added? (assuming you ignore a "1"). So the flock started out with x ducks, and a duck was added on Nights 1, 2 and 3, and there'll be another toNight (Night 5).

*dies of own brilliance*



(Disclaimer: ...and it may also be a random comment thrown out by Nilp for the purpose of driving us further up the wall...)

EDIT: clarification
EDIT2: clarification

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Sorry, I'll be around only for an hour or so. This fool--I mean, my host, had--or though he had, the stupid turlingdrome--an exam today. So off he went to school, not realising that the bloody thing has been postponed and so he wandered around UP doing nothing the whole day. But yeah, it can happen to anyone, especially if they only have half their brain, and that half's already rotting due to the weather and enforced holidays.

And, anyway, we can't stay late cos early tomorrow morning there is something of consequence.

So, I bet Gwath dreamt of us last NIGHT before he got his eyes plucked out by ducky beaks, and I guess now in the afterlife he's scratching his head, wondering who we're supposed to be. Hahaha!

I've done my purpose to the dead, and now to the living:

Feanor of the Peredhil: Nice to see you using them pronouns again! Modfire.


Nogrod: Is too afraid to lynch Nilp, should we lynch you instead?


Isabellkya: Revealed her hand too soon. Cut her hands off.


Nerwen: Is cheering more. YAAAY!!! To the stake.


Mithalwen: Is this guy's mother. Should have done the proper thing a long time ago, and left him to the wolves. Lynch.

Adam!

Shush, he left me in charge.


Lariren Shadow: Is doing a somewhat good job. Too bad you're the only one left!!! Lynch.


Macalaure: Couldn't lynch this guy yesterday, even if he could have. Lynch.


Durelin: Errrrrm . . . Lynch?


Nilpaurion Felagund: Should die. Now, if possible. Lynch.

Anyway, a village who can't even do a proper mass-lynch should be lynched. So my vote's a rather easy one:

++EVERYONE (and your little mod, too.)

Good night.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Known not-ducks, says Gwath:

Fea
Nog
Mac
MithNot known by Gwath:

Durelin
Nerwen
Lari
Nilp
IzzyMakes Day easy: Kill Not Known.

Can Kath-duck slayer kill again? One Night thing? Gwath with retributional powers? Modified-seer acts as Hunter?

Questions to be answered.

Still, lynch Not Known. Not so hard.

Izzy looks like cobbler-type. Not duck.

Lynch one of others. Kill ducks, win game?

Lynch Sally later, for collective headache.

[Macalaure]

I agree with what people say about Izzy.

Any ideas, though, which one out of her, Nilp, Nerwen, Lari, and Durelin we should lynch? Unless we're dealing with a cursed role, one of the is a duck, but one looks cobbler-like, one gave his brain to a pawnbroker before the game started, and three look quite innocent to me.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Not Izzy.

[Mithalwen]

Nogrod.... this is not a game in which the concept of ordinary innocents has much currency. I think I can safely say that. You must have noticed and I think Sally pretty well said as much. Therefore Issy may be innocent but not ordinary.

[Nogrod]

Therefore Issy may be innocent but not ordinary.Sure. We don't know whether tracking seer(s?) is a goodie-, a cobbler- or a baddie role. It may be anything. Although it beats me how a seer-tracker could be a goodie.

But that's enough of the subject from me now.

We may do wise to concentrate toDay on those Gwath had no knowledge of (eg. the not-known innocents) as there are only five of them. But later on I wouldn't take Gwath's list as granted. If there are people actually changing sides then someone Gwath dreamed of earlier might have other allegiances now. That would be more probable with those who have been dreamt of very early on eg. you Fea. Were you a changed duck you would have reason to stress using that list... :)

And if we are going to duck-hunt, which I think the best route now, I'm ready to agree Izzy looks less a duck so I might be ready to concentrate the search to the four remaining people eg. Nerwen, Dury, Lari and Nilp.

[Nogrod]

I'm not sure how much help this will be, but as I gathered this informtion to myself let it be shared as well. So here's yesterDay's voting. Oh, the problem of making a good case... so easy to bandwagon it... (I've bolded those not known by Gwath)

Nilp ++ Mac (Mac 1)
Nilp – Mac ( )
Fea ++ Nilp (Nilp 1)
Fea – Nilp ( )
Rikae ++ Mac (Mac 1)
Nilp ++ Durelin (Dury 1, Mac 1)
Mac ++ Rikae (Rikae 1, Dury 1, Mac 1)
Mith ++ Durelin (Dury 2, Rikae 1, Mac 1)
Nerwen ++ Rikae (Rikae 2, Dury 2, Mac 1)
Nogrod ++ Rikae (Rikae 3, Dury 2, Mac 1)
Rikae – Mac (Rikae 3, Dury 2)
Rikae ++ Rikae (Rikae 4, Dury 2)
Gwath ++ Nilp (Rikae 4, Dury 2, Nilp 1)
Dury ++ Rikae (Rikae 5, Dury 2, Nilp 1)
Fea ++ Rikae (Rikae 6, Dury 2, Nilp 1)
Lari ++ Durelin (Rikae 6, Dury 3, Nilp 1)
Izzy ++ Rikae (Rikae 7, Dury 3, Nilp 1)

Lari's vote for Dury is interesting (and there was no reason stated in the vote post). I need to run so I have no time to check what she had said earlier. Dury's and Izzie's votes are rather insignificant as what comes to the outcome of the vote. It's hard to say how honest they were...

See you about five hours before the deadline.

[Durelin]

I read the post that freaks you as "I know that Rikae is the cobbler. ergo she isn't as dangerous as a duck".

The problem with this is that everyone had rather come to the consensus that Rikae was in fact the cobbler (and it was what Rikae was declaring most of the Day), so it wasn't as if it was a big revelation for her to realize that.

So I'm not putting Izzy aside. Revealing some kind of role in this game seems to be a smart way to remove yourself from the chopping-block. And, like others, I can't think of the purpose of a 'seer tracker'...unless they have other powers to perhaps protect the seer or can notify the baddies.

Lari still feels bad to me. She's been cautiously on the edge of things, acting the most like a straightforward wolf. She kinda follows the pattern of the rest of the flock, or at least the rest of the flock that is deceased so far. And yes, it's a bit annoying when she's twice voted for me for no reason.

Nerwen has been skating by without much notice, and her latest...theories are making me start to feel like she's another cobbler. We really aren't done with the fibonacci sequence yet? :rolleyes:

Nilp is an enigma, as usual. And, as usual, I can't tell if he really wants to be lynched or not. But I echo the statement I made about revealing some kind of role...or at least suggesting at one.

Yes, in fact, you are all evil. I'm feeling very negative today. I blame it on the fact that my sinuses are ready to explode.

Here's the votes from days 1, 2, and 3. If we indeed have a growing flock at any point, though, the past votes may not mean much.

Day 1

Rikae -> Nog (1)
Mac -> Gwath (1)
Mith -> Lari (1)
Kath -> Brinn (1)
Lari -> Durie (1)
Nog -> Durie (2)
Lommy -> Lari (2)
Legate ->Durie (3)
Gwath -> Legate (1)
Mira -> Lommy (1)
Izzy -> Lari (3)
Fea -> Brinn (2)
Nienna -> Legate (2)
wilwa -> Legate (3)
Brinn -> Legate (4)
Dury -> Legate (5)


Day 2

Mith→Lommy (1)
Kath → Lari (1)
Lommy→ Gwath (1)
Bubbles→Lommy (2)
Wilwa→ Gwath (2)
Rikae → Mith (1)
Nienna--> Gwath (3)
Brinniel -> Lommy (3)
Fea -> Lommy (4)
Gwath -> Lommy (5)
Durelin -> Lommy (6)
Lari -> Gwath (4)
Izzy -> Lari (2)
Nogrod -> Lommy (7)
Nerwen -> Lommy (8)


Day 3

Rikae -> Mith (1)
Nilp -> Kath (1)
Kath -> Lari (1)
Mith -> Kath (2)
Mac -> Nienna (1)
Nog -> Nilp (1)
Fea -> Nilp (2)
Nienna -> Mith (2)
Brinniel -> Kath (3)
Nerwen -> Nienna (2)
Izzy -> Nienna (3)
Durelin -> Nienna (4)
Lariren -> Mith (2)
Gwath -> Lari (2)

I'd say something useful about the voting records but I really need to get working on some nasssty Latin homework.

[Mithalwen]

How many Phantoms does it take to change a light bulb?

One: He holds the bulb, and the world spins around him.

[Mithalwen]

Q: How many philosophers does it take to change a lightbulb ?

A: Define "lightbulb".....

[Mithalwen]

Q: How many Lunatics does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Two, one to change the light bulb and the other to tell him to make sure he sticks his fingers in the socket first, to see if the electricity is switched on.


:(

[Mnemosyne]

How many Phantoms does it take to change a light bulb?

One: He holds the bulb, and the world spins around him.

But what if it spins the wrong way? :(

[Mithalwen]

Q: How many mathematicians does it take to screw in a light bulb?

A''': In an earlier article, X writes:


Q: How many mathematicians does it take to screw in a light bulb?

A: One. He gives it a philosopher, thereby reducing the problem to an earlier joke...

In earlier work, Wiener [1] has shown that one mathematician can change a light bulb.

If k mathematicians can change a light bulb, and if one more simply watches them do it, then k+1 mathematicians will have changed the light bulb.

Therefore, by induction, for all n in the positive integers, n mathematicians can change a light bulb.

Bibliography:

[1] Wiener, Matthew P., <11485@ucbvax>, Re: YALBJ, 1986

[Mithalwen]

But what if it spins the wrong way? :(

We'll go back in time and the old bulb would be ok....

Q How many Modesses does it take to take a lightbulb?

A That's for them to know and us to find out....

[Mithalwen]

Q How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb?

A Fish

[Mithalwen]

Don't suppose anyone plays the viola now? :D

[the phantom]

Dury's mom plays the viola.

[Mithalwen]

My lord and master! Any instructions for your minion? :D

[Mithalwen]

NOBODY expects the Modess Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Phantom*.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.

But someone to talk to would be nice...

*oops sorry that would be my weapon..:Merisu:

[Isabellkya]

Full and overly detailed explanation.

I am a Seer/Dream Tracker.
Each Night I would submit a name to whom I thought the Seer would dream that Night. If I got it right, then I got the result of the Seer's Dream. I also had limited guesses as to whom the Seer was. If I guessed correctly whom the Seer was; then I would recieve all past and future dreams they submitted/received. If the Seer was to dream of me; then we would be able to PM each other at Night. Which is why I said I thought I knew what Rikae's role was. I even hinted as such. She was meant to stop the Seer from dreaming me. So the Seer and I could not contact each other.

Which is why I said Rikae was not as dangerous as a Wereduck. Because I was sure she did not have Night killing powers.

First post of every Day - the first two "paragraphs". The first letter of each sentence spelled out "Find Me". In one instance, during Shasta's death day - it said "Seek Me". Fortunately, he never did dream of me. It narrows downt he list of aliveplayers even more.

YesterDay - the whole thing about there being No seer, was a quite pathetic attempt at saving Gwath's life. I knew he was going to reveal when he said there would be excitement after his dinner. However, there were hardly enough posts to enter a post from me saying NOT to reveal - with out it leading straight to Gwath. However, there was never even any certainty that he would get my hint. I tried.


I'll be back before deadline.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm away on a church retreat starting....erm, now-ish. The modduckess is in charge. Her word is law unless I come back and say she's a silly thing and overrule her.

Still send Night picks to me, but send them to the duck as well until my return. I'll be away toNight and part of toMorrow, but I'll be back in college after then.


Theoretically I'll still be able to call Day and Night, but in case I can't....well, that's what ducks are for. ;)


Have a great rest of the Day! Happy lynching! :D


~~Your Moddess, Sally~~

[Macalaure]

Let's assume we didn't get a new duck at some point, or that if we did, it doesn't matter. Otherwise, there are simply too many options to get anywhere.

I think I will decide between Lari and Nerwen, because I simply think that Durelin is innocent.

Nerwen
The votes: didn't vote on Day1, gave a late meaningless vote for Lommy, gave a crucial vote to Nienna, gave the second vote to Rikae.

Nerwen makes sense in her posts, when she isn't posting in character. Doesn't say anything that makes you wonder. Complains about being confused a bit too much, but also helps to bring light into the dark. Problem: she knows how give an innocent-looking impression.

She avoids clear statements of who she thinks is guilty. That's what I find suspicious.

Lari
The votes: gave an early vote for Durelin on Day1, which doesn't tell us anything, gave a late vote for Gwath on Day2, which could have been a desperate attempt to save Lommy, gave a late vote to Mith, which is hard to figure out, gave a late vote to Durelin, which again makes you wonder.

Doesn't explain her votes, which could be a requirement. Has been too silent lately in general. Hard to get any grasp on.


Kath has been after Lari a long time and tried to scapegoat her for Wilwa and Nienna's sake. It could have been a plan to sacrifice one duck to save two, though. However, Kath kept her three known fellows consistently safely in her innocent lists - why make an exception for Lari only?

Wilwa liked neither very much, while she talked positively about Kath and Nienna.

[Mithalwen]

Mac, Fea, Mithalwen, and Nogrod are innocent Gwath - Proved seer so no reaon to doubt.

Issy has cleared Nilp... on the whole convinced of her claim.

So that leaves Durelin, Lariren and Nerwen.

Hmm well I voted for Lari day one but that was a random vote based on the manic early pages.... given my posting today pot..kettle:o I do find the Macanalysis interesting.

Need ot just take a little look ..tbc

[Nogrod]

A few notes from the voting this far.

What Mac said about Kath's votes on Lari and keeping her known fellows safely on the "not suspecting" side.

The determined defence of Lommy by the whole bunch on Day2. Three ducks voted for Gwath (Lommy, wilwa and Nienna). Also Lari votes Gwath - although in a situation where it looked pretty much certain Lommy would go anyway (and Kath votes Lari early on to the Day).

On Day1 that tasteless Legatewagon should be revisited as well. It was - surprise, surprise - Nienna and wilwa who brought Legate even with... Dury and Lari and basically started the wagon. Brinn and Dury completed it then. Lari had voted earlier, giving Dury her first vote that Day.

It has been indeed the last three Days that Lari has voted quite late and against the majorwagons; on D2 against Lommywagon, on D3 against Niennawagon and on D4 against Rikaewagon. And all those we have lynched those Days have been baddies (well Rikae only a cobbler).

Uh-oh... this is comlicated and messy...

Back with some added thoughts in a minute.

[Mithalwen]

Voted late Nogrod? She must be a duck then ;) :p

[Mithalwen]

Nine people, four seer proved innocents, maybe 6.
But at least 2 ducks and not clear if Gwath saw exact role rather than non-duck. There is another killer out there who may be working on own account.

Also given that we had a guardian amd seer as well as misc. other roles, chances are there is also the other of the classic gifted trio - a hunter. Now if so and the hunter is non-logical or lynched... then we may not have so much scope for getting today wrong despite our success to date.

I am inclined to not vote Lari due to Mac's analysis ... so that leaves me more or less with a coin toss....

I will be consistent:

++Durelin

[Nogrod]

Durelin's vote-record (and a few comments on Lari as side offers as they kind of presented themselves here):

D1: Last vote to Legate two minutes before the DL, sealing the result which was basically clear already. She could have voted anyone there unless someone who did not vote would have turned in at the last minute - in that situation she could have gotten Lari (or herself :)) lynched as well.

D2: Gives Lommy her seventh vote. Mathematically it's a kind of crucial vote there even if it sure looked like Lommy was getting the axe there... But had the rest gone the other way she could have tried to save Lommy. After her vote there was no turning back.
Interesting thing here is that the next vote - Lari voting Gwath - is a crosspost (same minute) and it could be seen as trying to help Lommy there.

D3: Brings Nienna to the lead in the end of the Day and gives her the killing blow.
Again, Lari goes the opposite direction by voting Mith, bringing her one vote short.

D4: Basically secured Rikae's death. Not that the chances of anyone else to die would have been great at that point but still.
Lari by contrast gives her vote to Dury two minutes before the DL.


So Dury seems to be wherever the decisive votes are being given and her track record is pretty impressive: three baddies from four votes (and the one she was wrong with was Day1).

On the opposite there is Lari who has managed to vote against every succesful lynchwagon.

So very different candidates here.

I'll go and look at Nerwen's record as well...

[Nogrod]

Oh Mith. Had you seen what I found you might have rethought you vote in the light of what these two - Lari and Dury - have been doing and not just tossed a coin...

Although I must admit Dury's track record is almost frighteningly consistent! :eek:
(even if it's "going with the flow" most of the time)

[Durelin]

I am not sure what to think of Izzy's claim. The detail of her claim is convincing, but... How do you know what Nilp is...?

If we've apparently narrowed it down to myself, Nerwen, and Lari, I am inclined to go with Lari because I believe Nerwen's vote for Nienna on Day 3 speaks in her favour of her because Nienna was under quite a bit of suspicion (especially after wilwa being eliminated mid-day).

But then Kath's consistency Day 2 and 3 against Lari is a problem. Both times she voted early, giving Lari her first vote.

A question, though...if indeed everyone is specifically a "known" innocent except for myself, Lari, and Nerwen, and there are 9 of us left (?)...isn't this game over...unless there is in fact a growing flock?

[Durelin]

Although I must admit Dury's track record is almost frighteningly consistent!

How so? That I tended to stick with suspects? I usually do, I'm just usually wrong. I have done surprisingly well, yes (I have been quite surprised myself! normally I manage to vote for the seer at some point and never a wolf), but I think most of us have done well, haven't we, seeing how many ducks have been in some manner killed? :Merisu:

[Nogrod]

But then Kath's consistency Day 2 and 3 against Lari is a problem. Both times she voted early, giving Lari her first vote.
Making a duck-on-duck is safer if you make it early...

A question, though...if indeed everyone is specifically a "known" innocent except for myself, Lari, and Nerwen, and there are 9 of us left (?)...isn't this game over...unless there is in fact a growing flock?The game ends when the number of ducks is equal or surpasses thew number of innocents - not the orther way around, dearie. :D

But not necessarily in a more serious note either. To be honest, I don't believe it would be that simple: even if all you three were dead I'm afraid we'd not be ridden ourselvers of evil around. But using Gwath's dreams as aids to limit our choices toDay I think is a good idea. And the added limitation of taking Izzy's role for granted and thence her note on Nilp looks believable enough to guide me toDay. But that is toDay.

I am inclined to go with Lari because I believe Nerwen's vote for Nienna on Day 3 speaks in her favour of her because Nienna was under quite a bit of suspicion (especially after wilwa being eliminated mid-day).Interestingly enough the three of you - Nerwen, Izzy & Dury - were instrumental in getting Nienna lynched... You basically did that.

[Durelin]

The game ends when the number of ducks is equal or surpasses thew number of innocents - not the orther way around, dearie.

My point was that we have three days to lynch one or two remaining wolves if indeed everyone else except us three is a known innocent. But, they're not.

[Nogrod]

Okay.

Nerwen failed to vote on Day1.

On Day2 she missed the vote by a minute but the vote was counted - not that it had any bearing as Lommy was lynched with a great majority of votes.

On Day3 she really triggered the Niennawagon.

On Day4 she brought Rikae past Mac and level with Dury to two votes after which the ball started rolling (after my vote to Rikae, Rikae voted for herself and the rest is history).

Were she a duck, she would probably have been sharper in the first two Days - and less sharp in the two last ones.

And she has a planet-sized brain. :)

[Nogrod]

My point was that we have three days to lynch one or two remaining wolves if indeed everyone else except us three is a known innocent. But, they're not.
But not necessarily in a more serious note either. To be honest, I don't believe it would be that simple: even if all you three were dead I'm afraid we'd not be ridden ourselvers of evil around. But using Gwath's dreams as aids to limit our choices toDay I think is a good idea.See?

[Durelin]

So I should have done this earlier but needed the time to explain myself fully. I did not find out that Kath was dead and the alpha-duck until the beginning of toDay and I unfortunately have been crazy busy...and was completely unorganized so had to go back through my PMs.

Right. So now that my role no longer has a job...

I am the "Wolf Tracker". Yes, sounds familiar, eh?

No, I am not like a seer (not another one). All I can know is how many wolves there are at a given time. Why would that be useful? Because the numbers in the flock were indeed changing.

On Day 1, there were 4 wolves.

On Day 2, the flock had grown to 5.

On Day 3, the flock was back down to 4, as Lommy was lynched and apparently the alpha-duck was not able to add to the flock (I believe because they either chose Gwath, Mith, Brinn, or the possibly remaining Hunter).

On Day 4 (yesterDay), the flock was down to 3 - they lost 2 during the Day but were back up the three by the end of the Night.

Last Night Kath was killed, and I was notified that the alpha-duck was dead, but apparently she still got her pick through because they are again at 3 toDay.

Yeah, I'm afraid we're not in *quite* as good a boat as we thought we were. But we do know who Gwath dreamt of each Night.

Night 0 - No duck added. Fea dreamt.
Night 1 - A duck added. Nogrod dreamt. Nog was not turned this Night as, since the Night events all happen simultaneously essentially because they all go through unless they cancel each other out, he would have shown up as a wolf if indeed he was turned this Night.
Night 2 - No duck was added. Mac was dreamt.
Night 3 - A duck added. Mith dreamt.
Night 4 - A duck added. Izzy seemed to suggest Nilp was dreamt? If so, then Nilp is the only guaranteed non-wolf, other than Izzy if she's telling the truth, and any remaining gifted(s).

*breathes* Sorry that took me too long!

[Macalaure]

That would mean the two ducks we're hunting are the two that were created in Night 3 and 4, which would make all prior dreams useless.

Looks like Fea and Nog are back on the menu, boys. ;)

We can also start thinking about who would have made sense to be turned. Lari, for example, being under much scrutiny and having the role of Kath's scapegoat, looks pretty innocent now.

[Macalaure]

If we believe the claims of Izzy and Durelin, then our ducks are Fea, Nogrod, or Nerwen. Mith is a dreamt gifted. Izzy cleared Nilp. Lari is very unlikely.

My feeling says that Fea is the innocent one.

[Durelin]

Lari, for example, being under much scrutiny and having the role of Kath's scapegoat, looks pretty innocent now

Except she would make a good candidate last Night, if she was consistently suspected by Kath and Lommy, both wolves. Though that almost suggests Kath was aware she would be killed. Bah, I don't know.

[Durelin]

Looks like Fea and Nog are back on the menu, boys.

As are you... :Merisu:

[Durelin]

That would mean the two ducks we're hunting are the two that were created in Night 3 and 4

And we're talking about 3 wolves, I'm afraid. :(

[Durelin]

Though that almost suggests Kath was aware she would be killed.

Oh yeah. Gwath yesterDay was convinced she was a wolf, and others seemed to be disappointed they could not vote for her as well. So likely she did expect to be killed...at least toDay, not necessarily last Night.

Sorry, I'll stop spamming the thread now. :o

[Nogrod]

Oh my...

This is getting much too interesting at exactly the moment I thought I was ready for bed as I need to wake up early...

Darn timezones and Saturday exams! :mad:

So I'm not even starting the "why should we believe you as there seem to be a host of special goodies revealing in increasing intervals" -thing. Too late and too little time for it toDay. So looking at the details you Dury give, I'm going to buy it. It looks very believable indeed - like Izzy's case looked like.

Looks like a horrible scenario, four initial ducks and their numbers growing all the time if not hindered...

Looks like Fea and Nog are back on the menu, boys.And you Mac... and Mith as well.

So we went on with the hypothesis of trying to narrow things down toDay and ignore the "added ducks"-theory for a moment. Now who backed that plan or acted on it? Mac, you did. Fea did. Mith did. I did. No surprise there as we were the ones the count would leave out.

But three of them still around? From us nine?

Fea has had three Nights to be added to the ducklist, Mac and I have had two Nights, Mith has had one.

If Izzy (and therefore Nilp) are true, as well as Dury, it would lead to the three ducks being among us four added with Nerwen and Lari. So three out of six. 50-50 chance then...

Needs to think a bit.

EDIT: X'd with a host of posts.

[Nerwen]

*reads thread*

!!!:eek:

[Durelin]

Sorry Nog, I really didn't mean to keep you up... :(

[Macalaure]

The way Nogrod concludes that Nerwen's votes look innocent makes me think that they might be two of our wolves. Can't come up with much more now, but that's the way my gut tends. Therefore:

++Nogrod

[Nogrod]

Okay. The question now becomes was the "duck-breeder" able to turn anyone to her cause - or if it is as Dury said that she was not able to turn someone with a gift but only ordos or "neutrals" (whether there are such people around)?

That would look very bad on you Mac. Real bad. And if you're innocent, then Mith might be the one. Mith is a dreamt gifted.Your slip here as you wish to get rid of me, Fea and Nerwen? But Mith is no dreamt gifted. She's a dreamt "no-duck". And looking at Rikae who told she could twist someone's Nightly deeds, isn't that exactly what Mith did that Night when she halted the ducks?


Gah! Just saw your vote Mac... Do I have to believe what I just speculated?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Nilp's role was decided? Since when?

Somebody help. Please.

[Nerwen]

So I'm not even starting the "why should we believe you as there seem to be a host of special goodies revealing in increasing intervals" -thing. Too late and too little time for it toDay. So looking at the details you Dury give, I'm going to buy it.

I also think she's telling the truth, because it makes sense, according to some things I know.

*is mysterious*

Looks like a horrible scenario, four initial ducks and their numbers growing all the time if not hindered...

Kath's dead, though. Dury, will the flock get a new alpha duck toNight?

EDIT: X'd since last post.

[Durelin]

The question now becomes was the "duck-breeder" able to turn anyone to her cause - or if it is as Dury said that she was not able to turn someone with a gift but only ordos or "neutrals" (whether there are such people around)?

Yes, unfortunately I was only told how many wolves there were at the start of each Day, and at the start of toDay I only had the added knowledge that the alpha-wolf was now dead, suggesting that the number is now fixed.

Somehow Kath was not able to turn/create a new wolf on Night 2. Oh. Wow. The wolves also didn't manage to get a kill that night...perhaps that is connected? (Edit: Or whatever Mith's powers are, they are connected?)

Kath's dead, though. Dury, will the flock get a new alpha duck toNight?

I don't think so, simply because the fact that I was informed of the alpha-wolf's death would suggest that the numbers aren't going to change anymore. I'm not sure why else I would be told that. That also seems rather like a hopeless cause if they do...

Nilp's role was decided? Since when?

Izzy claims to be the seer tracker, and that she was able to try and guess who the seer was. She seems to suggest she guessed Gwath correctly and thus learned of all his "past and future dreams", she said. And she claimed at the start of toDay that Nilp is not a were-creature...I guess she claims to know that because of the whole knowing Gwath's dreams thing.

Wow that's convoluted. Course that rather describes this whole game...

(Edit #2: Wow, I can't type...)

[Nerwen]

Oh dear. Now Mac's a baddie? Or just misled (Mac, you are wrong about Nogrod... or at least, wrong about him and me)

...oh, wait... think happy thoughts....

I mean... uh... YAY!!! YAY!!!! YAY FOR EVERYONE TURNING EVILLLLLL! IT'S SO EXCITING!!!!


Nilp's role was decided? Since when?

Somebody help. Please.

Izzy says this–


I am a Seer/Dream Tracker.
Each Night I would submit a name to whom I thought the Seer would dream that Night. If I got it right, then I got the result of the Seer's Dream. I also had limited guesses as to whom the Seer was. If I guessed correctly whom the Seer was; then I would recieve all past and future dreams they submitted/received. If the Seer was to dream of me; then we would be able to PM each other at Night. Which is why I said I thought I knew what Rikae's role was. I even hinted as such. She was meant to stop the Seer from dreaming me. So the Seer and I could not contact each other.

So she implies she knows Nilp was dreamed as innocent (or non-duck, rather).

EDIT: X'd with Dury; chopped out rest of Izzy's post.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

all his "past and future dreams", she said. And she claimed at the start of toDay that Nilp is not a were-creature...I guess she claims to know that because of the whole knowing Gwath's dreams thing.

Until he dies, one assumes. Suggests that Nilp was dreamed last Night. Suggests role was revealed even with Gwath's death.

Could be. I suppose.

[Lariren Shadow]

Except she would make a good candidate last Night, if she was consistently suspected by Kath and Lommy, both wolves. Though that almost suggests Kath was aware she would be killed. Bah, I don't know.

That would be great, if I could be made a wolf/duck, which I don't think I can. Because I'm the Hunter.

I haven't been around a lot because, well, I've been busy or just haven't had time or been utterly confused by this whole thing. I can't really say who I think looks innocent or guilty.

As for those who I seem to think of as slightly more guilty I'm going with Nerwen because, well, she is hiding something and I can't tell if its a good something or a bad something.

Mac is seeming slightly more innocent as well as Nog.

[Durelin]

Agh, sorry Lari... :( But that makes us better informed toDay...

Until he dies, one assumes.

That's what I would assume, too, but...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Knowing player is Not Duck only goes so far. Rikae was Not Duck.

Izzy should share all she Knows. Reveal your role, expect questions.

Details. All.

Too late to worry for safety of others.

[Durelin]

Mac actually bothers me slightly because of how quickly he jumped on my info to go straight after Nogrod. It seems he had to make a quick decision before leaving, though, so...

Those who Gwath dreamt of and revealed as innocent yesterDay are the most likely picks for the wolf that was turned last Night, but that leaves two other wolves that were either turned Night 1 and Night 3 or were wolves from the beginning, as the only deceased wolf whom we *know* was a wolf from the beginning was Kath.

I wonder if Nilp is coming back toDay? And I hope Izzy is so she can explain herself a bit better.

Edit: Wow, not that she will have much time to...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Waiting for last five minutes helps only Ducks.

++NERWEN

[Nerwen]

Until he dies, one assumes. Suggests that Nilp was dreamed last Night. Suggests role was revealed even with Gwath's death.

Could be. I suppose.

Izzy did something last Night. I can tell you that much. I don't know what she is, though.

EDIT: X'd with Durelin and Fea.

[Mnemosyne]

Noggie, make your vote post within the next 10 minutes or so and go to bed. If you post on the thread after X:42 (whatever hour it is for you) you're automatically modfired (unless you X with me). Then GO TO BED.

[Durelin]

Waiting for last five minutes helps only Ducks.

Unless only the ducks wait till the last five minutes. ;)

Edit: Oh dear, poor Nog! Yes, go to bed! :(

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Unless only the ducks wait till the last five minutes.

I have retraction left. Can be used. Trust my retraction, trust Izzy's. Trust Lari, though less. Everybody votes, we loiter.

[Nerwen]

*sigh*

I'd really prefer not to have to reveal now.

EDIT: X'd since last post.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'd really prefer not to have to reveal now.

Funny. I prefer you do.

[Nogrod]

Oh my... I was just making my post...

So let it go then.

++ Mac

I'm afraid he was a goodie to begin with but is no more.

Some explanations to follow (with the post I was writing - unless that gets me modfired as well)

[Durelin]

Well, I guess I couldn't go a game without suspecting a gifted...Lari being the hunter has kinda thrown me off. I actually thought Mac might be the hunter...there was something about his behavior and there was a comment he made when Rikae-cobbler voted for him, suggesting that she "had to vote for who she thought was the seer", so I thought perhaps he was sticking his neck out to bait the wolves a bit.

Hrmmm.

++Macalaure

Edit: Crossed with Nog

Also...Nerwen has to "reveal" something, too? :rolleyes:

[Durelin]

Some explanations to follow (with the post I was writing - unless that gets me modfired as well)

Apparently it will:

If you post on the thread after X:42 (whatever hour it is for you) you're automatically modfired

!!!

[Nerwen]

Nerwen has to "reveal" something, too? :rolleyes:

I really don't want to yet... because pretty much everything I've learned is useless now... whereas I might actually do some good in the present circumstances.

X'd with Dury.

[Lariren Shadow]

Well might as well vote now:

++Nog

[Durelin]

I really don't want to yet... because pretty much everything I've learned is useless now... whereas I might actually do some good in the present circumstances.

Some good for whom? :Merisu:

This is getting rather silly. (Understatement of the year...)

[Nerwen]

I think Mnemo was joking about the modfire.

And don't roll your eyes at me, Durelin. I'm pretty sure now that there are no common-or-garden ordos in this game.

EDIT: X'd with Dury and Lari

[Nerwen]

Some good for whom? :Merisu:

For the village:rolleyes:

Oh and,

++Mac.

[Macalaure]

I'm pretty sure now that there are no common-or-garden ordos in this game.

Yes, there are. :rolleyes:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I die toNight? Place Not Duck trust in Izzy. Only one I still have faith in.

[Durelin]

Nilp -> Everyone
Mith -> Durelin (2)
Mac -> Nog (2)
Fea -> Nerwen (2)
Nog -> Mac (2)
Durelin -> Mac (3)
Lari -> Nog (3)
Nerwen -> Mac (4)

;)

[Macalaure]

Unless somebody is willing to retract from me to Nogrod, we're pretty much doomed.

[Nogrod]

Braving the modfire then...

Of the four Gwath's dreams Mac is the most probable - and at least one of us has to be a turned baddie.

Fea might be one as well but I have no time to speculate on her now.

Funny you voted early but are still around Mac... you duck!

[Macalaure]

My feelings were right about Lommy, Nienna, and Kath. You should have trusted me this time, too. :p

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Want to, Mac. Can't. Sorry. Still hope.

[Mnemosyne]

You think I was joking, Nog???

Okay, so it's dl according to my watch. I'll be back after a quick votecount, then let y'all know who's dead and what s/he was.

Then there'll be a brief save from Sally's account for future narrations.

Do not post.

Children of the Night (of whatever affiliation), please send your PMs to me; Sally has no internet.

[Mnemosyne]

Mac is dead. He was, at time of death, the closest thing we have to an Ordo in this village.

Noggie has survived by the skin of his biting tissue but is still being punished for Disobeying the Duck in some unrevealed manner (be it game-related or being forced to watch Caramelldansen over and over and over and over again).

[satansaloser2005]

Save

[Mnemosyne]

Utulie'n aure!

Nerwen, a dear sweet Duckie, has perished in the night.

So has Isabellkya, the Seer's Apprentice.

Discuss.

[satansaloser2005]

Save

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Serves her right for blurting out what I am not.

Adam!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Oh, by the way, someone should check the osmium content of this village's water.

Adam!

What? It's as if they'd get it.

Adam Barnaby Smith, if you do not stop--

Barnaby?! *snickers*

Oi, get out!

--insulting this village I will consequence you!

:(

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Q: How many Lunatics does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Two, one to change the light bulb and the other to tell him to make sure he sticks his fingers in the socket first, to see if the electricity is switched on.


:(Despite being this bloke's mother, you're quite all right. :D

So I guess you're one of those I don't want lynched toDAY.

Q: How many arms does Nilp need to change a light bulb?

A: Three, one to change the light bulb, one to try to stab him while he does this, and one to stop the other arm from stabbing him.

[Mnemosyne]

Ai, Nilp, how can you bear this solitude?

*hunkers down next to the campfire and amuses self by attempting to count and psychoanalyze all of his personalities*

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

By posting every thirty minutes, of course. :D

Out! out! I thought you put me in charge?

If you wish to count us there is this (http://elenrod.livejournal.com/20690.html), but if you wish to psychoanalyse us I'm afraid I can't help (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/Elenrod/rotkla03.jpg) you.

[Mnemosyne]

I'm almost considering modfiring everyone but Nilp for not being online to entertain me, but considering that I'd modfire Nog if he were online and losing sleep that'd be rather rude.

Plus Sally would probably kill me. You know how it goes, the master of the house leaves for the weekend and the butler breaks out the best of the house's wine and sells it to the nearest drunks...

I suppose with so many of you around it's hard to get lonely, Nilp. :D

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

We can play a WW game all by ourselves! :D

With Adam as a bad guy? Won't it be obvious?

I'm not telling you again! Get out!

[Durelin]

Well, once again, whatever happened...that was nice. We're in a lot better position than I thought we would be. As in, we're not all but doomed.

Apologies to Mac... ><

So for some reason I got a PM at the start of toDay telling me that there are 2 wolves toDay. Which I thought would have been pretty obvious. I'm wondering if this suggests that the numbers can still change? Or our lovely mods are just being consistent. ;)

So one of the many things I am confused about at this point - why did Izzy call herself the "seer tracker" but she turns up as the "seer's apprentice"? I know I'm being a bit nit-picky (maybe more than a bit, whatevs), but "tracker" is hardly a synonym for "apprentice" or something. Perhaps she just didn't want to reveal all about her role?

Her being the "seer's apprentice" suggests to me that she was indeed on our side. It seems more specific than "seer tracker", and the possibility of her being able to communicate with the seer makes sense then. So likely she was telling the truth about Nilp. Though he could certainly be another cobbler.

Why was Izzy killed (I assume by the wolves)? Yadda yadda. I'd guess because the wolves wanted to take out someone who was generally considered innocent but who they were sure to be able to kill without consequences.

Probably not wolves, in order of surety:
Lari if her hunter claim is to be believed. I rather thought the wolves would go after her tonight as with 3 left and a good day yesterDay they'd be in pretty good shape to risk it. But...
Nilp per Izzy...maybe a cobbler

Possibly wolves:
Nogrod
Fea
Mith...she is/was the "phantom's apprentice". We don't know if gifteds can be turned...with the number of gifteds in this game maybe, but *shrug*. I am wondering why she's still alive. Are the wolves afraid they will fail to kill her again? We still know nothing about her role except the name of it and the vague things she has claimed to have done, such as "delivering ducks". I can't help but be bothered by that.

4 against 2...with possibly a cobbler around...this is going to be a long Day.

To bed...

[Durelin]

So, Nilp...could one of you be a wolf? ;)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

So, Nilp...could one of you be a wolf? ;)I don't know dear, I haven't asked them all. (I haven't even taken a full census since last year. :D )

So, anyw--mmph!

*stuffs Nilp in a chest*

Adam! You didn't have to do that!

[Nogrod]

Okey-dokey.

4 against 2 means that we have to get it right toDay, otherwise it's game-over and we lose.

Unless our assassin manages once more to take one duck down on the next Night (theoretically that would make 2/5 chance) leaving the situation toMorrow at 2 against 1.

If we get it right toDay, it will be 3 against 1 toMorrow - or we might even win it straight.

But the problem here is that if we have a cobbler around s/he could aid the ducks in the voting - which could have catastrophic results. So it's even more important now that we innocents stick together with our votes - and heaven forbid there being also something like "true neutrals" here who could vote with a whim... or lovers who protect each other no matter what.

So it will be not only a question of getting it right ToDay but also about voting power and the alignements and loyalties of those special-roles we don't know about.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

They tried to make me go to rehab, but I said "no, no, no."

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

We're just ordinary people,
We don't know which way to go.
Cos we're ordinary people.
Maybe we should take it slow.
Take it slow, slow, slooow . . .

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

But I wish you the best, I guess.
Cos everybody knows that nobody really knows
How to make it work, or how to ease the hurt.
We've heard it all before, that everybody knows
How to make it right, I wish we gave it one more try.

++EVERYONE

One more try . . .

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I be going, fool's exam be tomorrow, so yeah.

G'night.

[Nogrod]

After a process of elimination of kinds - which I may be forced to explain a little later - I have come to two main candidates for being ducks.

I find Dury the most suspicious right now. Her self-proclaimed status as a duck-tracker sounds the most dubious at the moment. My other top suspect is Lari. Let me tell you why.

Dury announced yesterDay that: I am the "Wolf Tracker". Yes, sounds familiar, eh?Making a bit too much noise about her having a role comparable to Izzy's "Seer Tracker"? So a nice "symmetrical" role or at least pointing out there being different "trackers" around lending credibility to her revealment? Interestingly enough Izzy was then told being the "Seer's Apprentice"... Which, as Dury rightly remarks, is quite a different thing.

I do not think this is making a mountain out of a molehill. For just why did she pick the term "tracker" to her role? It is possible Sally had given her that term but what a coincidence it then was that Izzy used the same term even if she was "an apprentice" in the first place... but understandable if Dury is faking.

But what initially made me suspect her role was the fact that a duck might pretty easily claim to be a "duck-tracker" as she would have the knowledge of how the numbers went being one of the bunch herself. And there would be some reasons to stick with the truth there as not to make any mistakes - but if she is indeed a duck then we should take those numbers with a pinch of salt.
(She isn't giving us less ducks than there are because there would be at least three of them then and they would have won already - so the question becomes: would she benefit of trying to make us believe there are more ducks there actually are?)

What about her very succesful voting record then? I think the ducks could afford that with their numbers steadily rising - and let's remember: on Day2 it was basically clear Lommy was going to get lynched so she had no good choices; and on Day3 Nienna and Kath were leading the votes together so she had only bad choices there and decided to defend the mother Goose... which would be an obvious choice.


Lari might be the hunter and might be not. The thing that talks on behalf of her being true is the fact that no one else has yet claimed to be a hunter and no hunter has been killed so far. But looking at Sally's list of the roles in this game there is only a "possible hunter" - as there is a "possible werebear", which we didn't have either.

Lari's problem with me sure is her voting record of going against our successful lynches quite consistently and avoiding discussion somewhat as to not show her cards (I need to check if my feeling of the last point about avoiding discussion indeed holds, when I have time).


Uh-oh. Just saw Nilp's vote... He is no duck as we know but let's hope now he is indeed the cobbler (if there is one left). *crosses fingers*

[Nogrod]

Possibly a minor detail to add... but something worth noticing.
All I can know is how many wolves there are at a given time. Why would that be useful? Because the numbers in the flock were indeed changing.Now why would you need to defend the possibility or believability of your role? Why did you feel the need to make us think your role is useful - or give us reasons why Sally would have come up with such a role?

If one is a duck-tracker then one is a duck-tracker and the raison d'être for that role is that Sally had made it such. But if one is coming up with a role oneself one might feel the need to explain why that kind of role is possible or believable.

[Durelin]

Making a bit too much noise about her having a role comparable to Izzy's "Seer Tracker"?

Oh yes, a comment because Izzy had just revealed earlier that Day and claimed a similar name is a lot of noise. :rolleyes: I was wondering if she knew about my role or if the mods simply gave similar names...but apparently 'tis not the case.

But what initially made me suspect her role was the fact that a duck might pretty easily claim to be a "duck-tracker" as she would have the knowledge of how the numbers went being one of the bunch herself.

Ah yes, of course. I guess I can't argue with that. But, I'm not a duck. And if I was a duck with knowledge of how my flock changed in size, I wouldn't share it when everyone else was ready to assume there were fewer wolves and they couldn't be among the seer dreams and such...especially since I think that there probably is now at least one wolf among those dreamed.

Now why would you need to defend the possibility or believability of your role?

I was explaining my role, Noggie, dear. And yes, I was playing Captain Obvious - it was what went through my head when I first received the role. Why would just knowing how many wolves there are be useful? Well, if that number actually changes of course. Then I was like, uh oh. :eek: Okay, I'll stop now.

Also, in this game (and right now is proof), if you're nothing straightforward you do rather have to defend your role unfortunately.

After a process of elimination of kinds - which I may be forced to explain a little later

Yes. Hows about you reveal what's special about you and we see if we believe you? :Merisu:

What I wonder is why you were so ready to believe me yesterDay and retaliate against Mac. I suppose it's about the vague "process of elimination" you suggest. This game isn't that straightforward and you know it.

I don't want to waste too much time defending myself toDay (hah, yes, I know...after that post?). And it is a waste.

[Durelin]

++EVERYONE

I do wonder if that counts. Not that it really does anything.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Mac is dead. He was, at time of death, the closest thing we have to an Ordo in this village.

Alignment knowledge not same as role knowledge.

Wish we knew what Mac did.

[Mithalwen]

Mith...she is/was the "phantom's apprentice". We don't know if gifteds can be turned...with the number of gifteds in this game maybe, but *shrug*. I am wondering why she's still alive. Are the wolves afraid they will fail to kill her again? We still know nothing about her role except the name of it and the vague things she has claimed to have done, such as "delivering ducks". I can't help but be bothered by that.



Depends what you mean by turned. I have worked my bits off for the innocents and after seeing what went on after I left yesterday I am beginning to think the ducks deserve the win if ordos seek to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and wilfully risk modfire. I am ceratinly not inclined to waste much time here today...I nearly didn't bother to come in at all. Currently I am somewhat ambivalent... :cool:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

So his exam's tomorrow, it's 1am here, and I got to steal time to go online! :D

And what do I find? Disappointing stuff. My vote is so justified (under the mandate given me). If it does count, I'm not telling. ;)

Y'know, if we were right and proper citizens we'd compare voting pattern/behaviour from when DAY 1 to now.

But that wouldn't be fun, would it?

Nor proper, yeah. So I guess we're not doing it.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Due to life, I won't be around much today.

I'll be around, however, the two hours before deadline.

Try not to do anything too wretched while I'm gone?

With Izzy gone and revealed, I'm inclined to 'trust' Nilp. Insomuch as that I doubt he's a Duck.

I am also inclined to trust Lari. Nobody else has jumped forth to claim huntership, and that's not all that difficult of a role to reveal: the likelihood of Ducks attacking is tempered by the likelihood of them getting taken down.

If Durelin is lying, I'm inclined to trust Nog still, as well as Mith.

My recommendation for the Day, therefore, is to kill Durelin, see if she was lying about her role, and if she was, hope like The Void that our mysterious Night time assassin works some magic again to keep us alive.

[Durelin]

My recommendation for the Day, therefore, is to kill Durelin, see if she was lying about her role, and if she was, hope like The Void that our mysterious Night time assassin works some magic again to keep us alive.

And if I'm not lying?

If you kill me, we've lost (unless another wolf mysteriously dies tonight...I guess if you want to rely on that go ahead...and then it'll be down to the wire once again), and Mith then can be as self-righteous as she wants.

If you're really convinced I'm lying, it might make sense, but you know we can't afford to just flippantly 'test' if I am.

[Mithalwen]

Not self righteous just teed off and impressed by a bravura performance. :cool:

[satansaloser2005]

Did you miss me? :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Well, just bothered to bother you some more, really must sleep now.

Ah, well, might as well be a tad helpful: Miss Huntress, be these nocturnally dying Ducks your doing? If not, guess you have an extra gifted. Unless this mysterious hunter (not Hunter) in the NIGHT be confident of xyr target toNIGHT, reveal timing should be considered.

Of course, revelation means little in this village. Here there be suspicion in copious amounts. Share the shiftiness!

Must be going now, colds + lack of sleep does not good grades guarantee.

Can't read my, can't read my, no he can't read my poker face.

[Nogrod]

Right then. How depressive this is. Every other saying they will have this or that to do bor not being to much interested - and we still need to lynch right toDay.

What is it with you people?

[Mithalwen]

Did you miss me? :)

Course we did..... though Mnemo was delightful company. :D

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Hey Sally, if I do this:

++Nilpaurion Felagund

Will my vote for everyone count, or is it this one?

[Mithalwen]

Oh Nilp..... :(

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Don't worry mum, I haven't hurt myself. ;)

[Mithalwen]

Good... :D otherwise I still ain't bovvered... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=541tEBFK0v4)

[Nogrod]

If you're really convinced I'm lying, it might make sense, but you know we can't afford to just flippantly 'test' if I am.I don't think it would be a flippant test but something based on quite a believable scenario - as I explained earlier. Believable scenarios have been wrong in the past - but they have been right as well. And if I have to choose between random and argued lynch I'd sure choose the latter. The question is just whether we can argue for a better case as there are two ducks still remaining?

So if you Dury are a goodie I'd suggest you rolled up your sleeves and took into it.

But if Nilp and Mith are going to vote on just whatever whim that pleases them, we might as well quit the game right now. Why bother trying to find out the last ducks if only two of us will try to catch the duck and two will vote against any duck-vote... and two will vote whatever they please? Meaning the outcome of the vote - and the game - will depend on any whim the "neutrals" happen to have... :(

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Don't worry Noggie, I'm not skewing the game with my votes. ;)

[Mithalwen]

I don't think it would be a flippant test but something based on quite a believable scenario - as I explained earlier. Believable scenarios have been wrong in the past - but they have been right as well. And if I have to choose between random and argued lynch I'd sure choose the latter. The question is just whether we can argue for a better case as there are two ducks still remaining?

So if you Dury are a goodie I'd suggest you rolled up your sleeves and took into it.

But if Nilp and Mith are going to vote on just whatever whim that pleases them, we might as well quit the game right now. Why bother trying to find out the last ducks if only two of us will try to catch the duck and two will vote against any duck-vote... and two will vote whatever they please? Meaning the outcome of the vote - and the game - will depend on any whim the "neutrals" happen to have... :(

Don't be so sanctimonious. It isn't my fault. I have done everything I could for the village til now to no avail. You have no idea.

So I have gone back to my role and decided "It is no longer about good and evil; it is about who's nice to me".

[Nogrod]

It isn't my fault. I have done everything I could for the village til now to no avail.To no avail? Looking at the number of ducks dead in this village we have actually fared quite well this far. You can't blame us if our situation is basically impossible looking at the numbers of ducks bred throughout the game - and especially because they are turned during the game making old knowledge obsolete by the Day.

Think of a village that had initially 7 ducks and at least one cobbler with special cababilites. This one was harder than that even if the numbers are correct.

So I'm not so sure you can diss our efforts (and yours?) like that. Yes yesterDay was bad, and we didn't pay heed to your call of lynching Dury (Which I now see you have been proposing two Days in a row already), but as you see I'm quite willing to try it toDay unless better ideas present themselves.

You have no idea.I do have some ideas of what you have done as you must have seen if you have read the thread - and I think most of us believe something that is not totally incorrect about you. But surely we don't know all there is to you here.

So I have gone back to my role and decided "It is no longer about good and evil; it is about who's nice to me"On no... :confused:

It's probably the last Day - or the second last if we manage it toDay. Not the Day when one should give up.

[Mithalwen]

Well I'm not going to sit here all night again knowing everything will happen after I go. There are more constructive things I could be doing...

[Nogrod]

Well I'm not going to sit here all night again knowing everything will happen after I go.Let's do something then before getting into the more constructive things. :)

So what is your suggestion for toDay? Dury?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I still haven't made it out of this apartment yet. People keep needing things from me.

++DURELIN

Onen i-Estel, ú-chebin estel anim.

[Nogrod]

And btw. do you have a reason you can state for your votes on Dury, or does your role deny talking about reasons?

[Mithalwen]

Fea darling, this vote is for you, the one thing that stopped me yielding in admiration of a bravura performance from Duckelin (which caused me to suffer from a dose of Tourettes yesterday), was your skill and faith.

You don't deserve to lose and I think my master will understand. So I remain on the side of the angels.

Third time pays for all.

++Durelin

[Nogrod]

Good to see you back Fea & Mith in action.

In case the timing of the votes will prove to be crucial I will give my vote now as well (subject to retraction if something persuasive enough comes to the fore later - but looking at Mith's vote I do doubt it).

++ Durelin

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

And btw. do you have a reason you can state for your votes on Dury, or does your role deny talking about reasons?

To be concise: without knowing Durelin's role, nothing can go right, except by accident.

[Nogrod]

To be concise: without knowing Durelin's role, nothing can go right, except by accident.:) I think you're right here. :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

but looking at Mith's vote I do doubt itMeaning: looking at the things she said there...

[Durelin]

So I have gone back to my role and decided "It is no longer about good and evil; it is about who's nice to me"

*hugs* That any better? :Merisu:

So if you Dury are a goodie I'd suggest you rolled up your sleeves and took into it.

I know, I'm going to try (and have been trying - I've been very good for me this game, you must admit ;)), but unfortunately there's only so much I can do as my time is limited. I know this upsets you but I think you have been a bit busy yourself this game so try to understand. Yes, we're down to the wire, but that doesn't change people's lives.

we didn't pay heed to your call of lynching Dury

She has voted for me, yes, but she hasn't given any reasons (except following her dear son and being 'consistent'). I wouldn't call that calling for my lynching. More like mildly suggesting.

Erm, yeah... *more hugs for Mith*

So, here's looking at you, Nog...

Day 1, voted for me because of a supposed 'slip'. Went a little crazy about the roles/assignments. Went after Rikae for that, now known a cobbler - obviously why she was playing so boldly from Day 1.
Day 2, late vote for Lommy. Go with the flow. He could have been made a wolf on Night 1 and onward.
Day 3, voted for Nilp.
On Day 4 he turned around and argued why we shouldn't lynch Nilp. Fea switches from her vote for Nilp after one post from Nog about not lynching him. Was gung-ho against cobbler-Rikae.
Day 5...was convinced Mac was a wolf. Now he thinks I am.

I think you've accused me of "going with the flow" and taking opportunities. I believe I could accuse you of the same thing. I find you and Fea a possible wolf-pair as I do not believe you have suspected each other, and there was that interesting communication on Day 4. Also, with Nerwen dead and proven a wolf, Mac's point about you yesterDay looks pretty good.

Fea...

Has been on the edge of things this entire game, partly because of her posting restrictions it seems.

Day 1, she did her random meta-vote for Brinniel, giving her two votes.
She voted for Lommy on Day 2 helping seal her fate. If she was made a wolf on Night 1, Lommy had a lot of suspicion and I don't find this at all a completely unlikely vote.
She voted for Nilp on Day 3, as well, and switched her vote from him at a word from Nog.
Voted for Rikae near the end on Day 4, as did I, so *shrug*.
Voted for Nerwen yesterDay. Now, she did vote early for her. Her convictions were fairly strong. This could have been for survival, or because the wolves might have expected Nerwen to be assassinated.

Mith

Claimed to "deliver" wolves Days 2 and 3. But since then, she's just been skating by, even though we don't know what the "phantom's apprentice" is. Maybe the wolves do and that's why she's still here.

Lari

Claims to be the hunter. Easy role to claim if she's lying, but she'd have to know there wasn't one.

Nilp

Cobbler? Or just Nilp? But I guess not a wolf.

[Mithalwen]

Don't start getting persuaded again Nogrod :rolleyes:

[Durelin]

To be concise: without knowing Durelin's role, nothing can go right, except by accident.

Yes, I can't supply you with seer-like knowledge, and certainly can't "deliver" ducks. But finding out my role also means we've lost. Not that I know what I'm talking to.

[Mithalwen]

Oh bother .... hugs might have swung it a few minutes ago.... :p

[Durelin]

or does your role deny talking about reasons?

I'd say it's a bit late to be keeping secrets, really. This game is over unless we get it right. Unless I'm failing at subtraction again.

Kill me, the wolves kill another innocent tonight, and it's just 2 against 2, right?

Perhaps you can at least tell me, Nog, why you are inclined to follow Mith's vote toDay? I think you owe me that, at least.

[Durelin]

Oh bother .... hugs might have swung it a few minutes ago....

Chocolate? Or how would you like your very own acolyte/apprentice? :Merisu:

[Nogrod]

Good to se you around Dury!

Don't start getting persuaded again Nogrod :rolleyes:I'm trying not to. :)

Btw. Dury, might Lari be your mate then? Claims to be the hunter. Easy role to claim if she's lying, but she'd have to know there wasn't one.I think she could do it quite boldly without a knowledge of other hunters around. Looking at the different roles in this game she could quite nicely say there must be two different hunters etc. if someone challenged her claim.

[Lariren Shadow]

Did you miss me? :)

Yes, tears were shed.

Ah, well, might as well be a tad helpful: Miss Huntress, be these nocturnally dying Ducks your doing? If not, guess you have an extra gifted. Unless this mysterious hunter (not Hunter) in the NIGHT be confident of xyr target toNIGHT, reveal timing should be considered.

I can tell you for certain those kills are not mine. I am only a Hunter and nothing else.

Onen i-Estel, ú-chebin estel anim.


It took me longer to remember that quote than it should have.

I keep thinking Durelin is innocent, but it is a neat role to have come up with. And not hard to fake if one is a Duck/Wolf. Just list how many of your own minions there are left.

I might know my vote, but I think I might want to wait for other things toDay to see about the vote.

[Durelin]

Btw. Dury, might Lari be your mate then?

I'm starting to wonder if she's the only one on the village's side, yes. :rolleyes: I guess I'll see if she shows up toDay.

What's funny, Nog is this - if you really don't believe me, why do you believe my information? And why did you actually use it in your earlier posts toDay as fact, in order to show how I might be a wolf?

Unfortunately I have to run here in a few minutes. Oh dear, just as things are getting so fun...

(Crossed with Lari, obviously.)

[Nogrod]

Perhaps you can at least tell me, Nog, why you are inclined to follow Mith's vote toDay? I think you owe me that, at least.I'm not so much following her vote (I hadn't actually paid heed to her voting before making my "case" against you toDay) but feeling some relief seeing her going the same way.

What I mean by her post convincing me more about it is what she says about the virtuoso performance of a duckling - which is you and your "wolf-tracker" -thing.

Okay. Maybe Mith is bluffing and only pretends to be a neutral who can choose her side as she feels. Maybe. But at least now it looks more far-fetched than your ducklery.

Edit: x'd with Lari & Dury

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

You don't deserve to lose and I think my master will understand.

I shan't bow with a flourish until the curtain falls. We've not slain all Ducks yet.

There is still time to lose.

Still, just for prudence's sake: Mith, my favorite, have I told you lately that you are spectacular?

[Nogrod]

What's funny, Nog is this - if you really don't believe me, why do you believe my information? And why did you actually use it in your earlier posts toDay as fact, in order to show how I might be a wolf?What information might you mean; the number of ducks? I think I already speculated on that in my post #1196: And there would be some reasons to stick with the truth there as not to make any mistakes - but if she is indeed a duck then we should take those numbers with a pinch of salt.
(She isn't giving us less ducks than there are because there would be at least three of them then and they would have won already - so the question becomes: would she benefit of trying to make us believe there are more ducks there actually are?)Or did you have something else in mind?

[Durelin]

Maybe Mith is bluffing and only pretends to be a neutral who can choose her side as she feels. Maybe. But at least now it looks more far-fetched than your ducklery.

Really? Even if she's not bluffing, as you've said yourself and as she's suggested, she gets to choose sides. Why are you so sure she's choosing your side?

Oh, wait, duh...you're another penguin. :p

[Mithalwen]

Oh Fea, lols

What can you offer in the chocolate line?

[Durelin]

Yes...the number of ducks and that the number has been changing...and that Kath was the alpha-duck who was able to create new ducks. All of it.

It just bothers me that you'd believe I am lying about my role but still believe all the information I've given you. Seems a bit silly.

Have to go now. Sorry, loves. But don't worry, I'll be back. Haven't given up on you yet.

*more hugs to Mith*

[Mithalwen]

Most of yesterday I wanted to try and get Nogrod lynched* for the sheer therepeutic value....

* more accurately hack to death with blunt nail scissors... :cool:

[Nogrod]

Most of yesterday I wanted to try and get Nogrod lynched* for the sheer therepeutic value....

* more accurately hack to death with blunt nail scissors... :cool:I know you love me. :)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

What can you offer in the chocolate line?

What would you like?

[Mithalwen]

I know you love me. :)

Now that really is deluded.:rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

Yes...the number of ducks and that the number has been changing...and that Kath was the alpha-duck who was able to create new ducks. All of it.The number of ducks you couldn't claim are less as otherwise the game would be over. You might have said the number of ducks is greater than it is but it wouldn't matter as we need to get at least one and hopefully toDay. And you would be smart to tell us the correct number as to avoid any possible mistakes.

The fact that the numbers had been changing was nothing new. So one can't say we took your word for it - I think we had inferred that already.

Was the information that Kath was the alpha-duck given by you? I need to check that. But anyway, speaking the truth is oftentimes the best thing a duck can do, so I don't see that as a duck you would have compromised anything by giving us that information: on the contrary it would have given you the opportunity to say just what you are saying right here. Did we not "know" Kath was the alpha-duck wouldn't have made a difference.

And in the end we don't know that is the case indeed, but that doesn't matter. We need to lynch and kill the ducks as long as there are those left.

[Nogrod]

Now that really is deluded.:rolleyes:Everyone of us has their own delusions... :D

I hope you forgive mine. ;)

[Lariren Shadow]

So we haven't had a discussion about the assassin yet. Anyone else a little bit weirded out by this? I mean, sure we can just accept that the assassin is taking out Ducks/wolves at Night. But is this "an assassin" or is this a werebear taking out the ever multiplying Ducks for their own good? And then innocents(or what's left of us) will start to die?

I am utterly confused by some things at the moment but that thought just struck me.

[Nogrod]

So we haven't had a discussion about the assassin yet. Anyone else a little bit weirded out by this?The ducks would be... annoyed even. :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

Most of yesterday I wanted to try and get Nogrod lynched* for the sheer therepeutic value....I can see it now... or think I can. So it was about that I wasn't ready to buy Izzie's role from the face-value of it. And looking at it now afterwards the two others who kept questioning it were Nerwen (known duck) and Dury (possibly a duck known to you)...

Sorry. But I hope you bear with me as it's not easy to be right in this game with no added knowledge to the point, and the sheer number of roles around.