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wilwarin538

05-24-2009, 08:18 AM

Yet again the villagers gathered in the town square as the sun began to set. It was an interesting day, votes were fairly spread out. It seemed Izzy would be the one to go today. However suddenly, right before the last glimpse of the sun, she cried out "I am the Fairy Godmother."

Everyone scrambled, changing votes and trying to figure out whether she was being truthful. When it was over Shasta had received the most votes.

"You're making another mistake." he said with a sigh as they led him towards the gallows. He eyed the contraption and sighed again "Oh please, not like that. I'm a fletcher, if I have to die I'd like it to be by one of my arrows."

"Oh...but we don't really know how to shoot arrows." Gwath pointed out as everyone nodded.

"My shop is rigt there, everyone grab a bow and an arrow and I'm sure atleast one will hit." he sighed again, trying to figure out how he stayed in business when there were no archers in town.

They all agreed and found themselves some bows with arrows. They put Shasta against a far wall and all lined up.

"3......2......1" Kath counted down as they got their arrows set, then they all shot at once.

Most of them missed, quite terribly actually, but four managed to hit their target, right in the middle of Shasta's chest. No one could tell who's arrows had hit, they barely even knew where their own had gone, but the deed had been done either way. They all watched Shasta's body, but nothing happened. No clues.

The villagers dropped the bows and started walking to their proper homes, the four baddies taking their usual routes towards the Old Witch's home. They all smiled to themselves. What bad guy doesn't know how to shoot an arrow?

The dead:
Nienna - bookkeeper - hung Day 1 - ordinary villager
Lommy – minstrel – mauled Night 2 – ordinary villager
Mith - herbalist - lynched Day 2 - Fair Maiden
Boro88 - the shruber – yum, frog legs Night 3 – Frog-Prince
Sally – poor serving girl – died of shear sorrow Night 3 - Princess
Shasta - fletcher - shot by arrows Day 3 - ordinary villager

The living:
Nerwen - bookmaker
Eomer - gravedigger
Aganzir - jailor, arena and lions included
McCaber - humble shopkeeper
Izzy - baker
Mira - apothocary
Gaurcrist - blacksmith
Gwath - drunk vagrant
Kath - restaurant owner
Inziladun - shruberrer's apprentice
Fea - Storyteller
Greenie - school teacher
Lari - fortune teller
the phantom - the crazy book liberator

Now Night 4. Names please. No posting here.

wilwarin538

05-25-2009, 08:02 AM

One by one the villagers woke up and began to gather in the town square, all of them extremely glum about the last 3 Days. It was another nice day, which many of them found odd; during such a terrible time surely it should be rainy, or at least a little cloudy. But no, the sun shone and the birds sang as if all was well with the world.

As they arrived it took them a few moments to notice who it was that was missing. It was Gwathagor. They stood around quite confused, they didn’t even know where Gwath lived. So they wandered, trying to find a house fit for a drunken vagrant. No luck.

“Well, I don’t see where he could have lived. Which way did he go at the end of the Day?” Fea asked.

“Well, I think maybe that direction.” Eomer suggested, pointing south-east. The villagers followed his finger and saw in the distance a great castle atop a hill.

“Maybe he lived near that castle?” Nerwen suggested.

“Isn’t that just a model?” Greenie questioned.

“Well, maybe it isn’t. Let’s go see.” Lari said. So the villagers began to walk towards the castle. It wasn't a great distance away, so soon they arrived.

“Hmm, so it isn’t a model then…interesting.” McCaber said, quite impressed.

As they got closer they could see something hanging mid-way up one of the large stone walls. When they stopped a few feet away they realised it was Gwath. He was hanging by his wrists, which were attached by strong ropes. Their eyes drifted down until they landed on his feet. Or lack thereof; they had been chopped off somehow. As they looked over him again they noticed he was also holding a beautiful glass slipper.

“Look at the sign by the door!” Izzy exclaimed, pointing near the large wooden door. There was a small sign, and written on it in a beautiful script was: This be the castle of Prince Gwathagor the Charming.

“Oh my, we had a secret Prince living among us.” Inziladun proclaimed as they all stared back at the body of Gwath in awe.

“I’ll be sure to give him a very nice burial then.” Eomer said, taking the shovel down from his shoulder yet again.

The villagers let him be as they began walking back down to the village. Cinderella, who was still hidden among them, shed a silent tear. She had known the identity of her prince, but he had not been able to find her. Her first instinct was to leave and live her lonely life far away from this place, but she decided against it. She would stay in this village and she would help them be rid of the evil that had taken her destined love away from her.

Discussions began.

The dead:
Nienna - bookkeeper - hung Day 1 - ordinary villager
Lommy – minstrel – mauled Night 2 – ordinary villager
Mith - herbalist - lynched Day 2 - Fair Maiden
Boro88 - the shruber – yum, frog legs Night 3 – Frog-Prince
Sally – poor serving girl – died of shear sorrow Night 3 - Princess
Shasta - fletcher - shot by arrows Day 3 - ordinary villager
Gwath – drunk vagrant – defeated Night 4 – Prince Charming

The living:
Nerwen - bookmaker
Eomer - gravedigger
Aganzir - jailor, arena and lions included
McCaber - humble shopkeeper
Izzy - baker
Mira - apothocary
Gaurcrist - blacksmith
Kath - restaurant owner
Inziladun - shruberrer's apprentice
Fea - Storyteller
Greenie - school teacher
Lari - fortune teller
the phantom - the crazy book liberator

It is now Day 4. You may discuss. Names names names.

Sidenote: Cinderella is still in danger from the Robber Bridegroom. Otherwise there’s nothing special about her.

Eomer of the Rohirrim

05-25-2009, 08:18 AM

I had been wondering if Izzy had just messed up (along with the Seer), but I see she was not the target of the wolves.

At least the Seer's still around, hopefully with a lot of information.

Gaurcrist

05-25-2009, 08:42 AM

Lynch tp! I say we should lynch tp. Well, as I explained before, he is probably bad, and if he is lynched and wasn't bad, at least we'll be rid of a malicious player. Who is with me!?

Gaurcrist

05-25-2009, 08:44 AM

Now, I will vote phantom for reasons I explained before.

++Phantom

Inziladun

05-25-2009, 08:44 AM

So they left Izzy alone, even after her last minute revelation. Why? Even if she was lying and just trying to save herself, that seems an awful risk for the baddies to take. After all, the seer and the ranger are in communication. And phantom- taking her word for it so quickly? How could he be so sure?
Izzy needs to do some fast talking and come up with something good. I echo Eomer in thinking the seer would be most helpful today as well.

edit- x'd with Gaur-no one can question his consistency.

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 08:50 AM

I had been wondering if Izzy had just messed up (along with the Seer), but I see she was not the target of the wolves.
Either the wolves thought she was protecting herself or wanted to make her a lynch target today, or she is one of them. Gwath's death doesn't surprise me much, though - the way he and Izzy started suspecting me almost simultaneously looked like they had been communicating with each other. The wolves probably thought they'd get the seer (or, alternatively, if Izzy is a wolf, wanted to make it look like they had been trying to target the seer).

So, Izzy. What am I? ;) (I'd prefer you didn't state my exact role aloud here, you know, but you can always tell if I'm innocent or not. ;))

Also - if Izzy is not the ranger, the real ranger should probably stay quiet about her identity. The seer knows who she is and that should be enough for now.

By the way, if Reddie hasn't been turned, it's 5-8 now (and might get worse very quickly if Cinderella has been too loud about her secret love). If we don't get a baddie today and there's no ranger save/hunter kill in the night, it'll be 5-6 tomorrow, after which, well... Of course we can hope that communication between the wolves and the Bridegroom doesn't work and they're not aware of one another, but we can't count on that.
If Reddie is a wolf already and we don't know about it, then we have practically lost.

I am going through yesterday now, there are some things I want to comment on.

Eomer of the Rohirrim

05-25-2009, 08:53 AM

Eh, regardless of phantom's true motives, his public image was the same as mine - and if it was a trap to kill another innocent (as it looks like) then I fell for it too. Yeah, I was a bit unsure of Izzy's reveal but sometimes you have to make a decision.

Gaurcrist is very much on the radar now. He might have been advised to cause some trouble at the start of the day to distract the village (or is the Robber Bridegroom). Again, regardless of phantom's true nature, Gaurcrist's early action isn't helpful.

A Little Green

05-25-2009, 08:56 AM

I'm sorry I wasn't able to play yesterDay, but I'll try to make amends for it toDay. I didn't get half the stuff that was said yesterDay, I've a few comments on things that stood out to me in one way or another.

I'm still flip-flopping on Greenie. The way she flip-flopped on Cab & Shasta looked innocent but her posting near the deadline & her vote looked somehow... too calculating.Well of course I would be calculating! I am interested in the outcome of the vote, I don't want to make a throwaway vote, and therefore I'm interested in knowing what other people are planning to do and calculate the possible outcomes of different options in my head. Unless they have fellows on the chopping block I'd say it's more the wolves who have no real need to calculate.

Case against Fea starting Day 2
Now this statement seems innocent enough. However, nothing that seems innocent with Fea ever is unless she's a baddie.A couple of people have mentioned that Mira's case against Fea was quite flawed. What bothered me more was that she seemed to have decided beforehand that she suspects Fea and was therefore determined to find fur in Fea's every statement. Now people who just decide to suspect someone and then pursue that suspicion determinedly smell of wolf to me.

EDIT: x-ed with Agan and Eomer

Inziladun

05-25-2009, 09:05 AM

Gaurcrist is very much on the radar now. He might have been advised to cause some trouble at the start of the day to distract the village (or is the Robber Bridegroom). Again, regardless of phantom's true nature, Gaurcrist's early action isn't helpful.

I have to agree. I can understand (somewhat) the animosity there, but the single-mindedness really hasn't been useful.

Eomer of the Rohirrim

05-25-2009, 09:08 AM

I find the phantom to be a pleasant and respectable member of this forum. Usually, it's other people who lose control around him - see his signature for proof. :D

Gaurcrist has obviously been seriously affected by the phantom; either that, or it's an intricate ruse cooked up by the both of them.

A Little Green

05-25-2009, 09:10 AM

Also, if you get the chance, Green, could you explain your Mith vote to me? I have written down that you said you didn't like any of the available candidates (you named Mith, Boro, and Eomer) but then you voted for Mith even though Izzy was available as an option, and you had not listed her as a bad lynch choice, where as you had mentioned Mith.Yes we can! (Errr I meant yes, I can. I'm on a humourous mood today, it seems. :rolleyes: ) So. My Mith vote. I did not mention Izzy in the post where I mentioned lynch candidates I don't like because she wasn't much voted for at that time. I did mention later on that I had nothing on Izzy and wouldn't like to vote for her. Just for clarity's sake, here are my posts from Day 2 that consider Mith and Izzy and voting.I'm inclined to think Boro innocentish so I'd rather not see him go - but then, I'm not sure I'd like to vote Mith or Eomer either. There are sure to be better candidates!Izzy? I'm not convinced about her either. How many still to vote? What are you planning to do? I wouldn't like to cast a throwaway vote.I have nothing on Izzy, I don't know about Mith, and I don't suspect Boro. This is not nice. ++ Mithalwen

Because I suspect her more than Boro or Izzy.So, basically, I was sort of torn about Mith (she struck me both more guilty and more innocent) and had absolutely nothing on Izzy. I concluded that Izzy could be just anything, whereas Mith was probably at least not a gifted (ie. seer or ranger) since I thought a gifted would not behave quite the way she did. Obviously, as you can see on the time stamp of my vote, I didn't have the time to make long explanations of what I was thinking.

Hope I made sense. :)

EDIT: x-ed with Inzy and Eomer

wilwarin538

05-25-2009, 09:15 AM

I find the phantom to be a pleasant and respectable member of this forum. Usually, it's other people who lose control around him - see his signature for proof. :D

Indeed. :rolleyes:

Nerwen

05-25-2009, 09:23 AM

Eh, regardless of phantom's true motives, his public image was the same as mine - and if it was a trap to kill another innocent (as it looks like) then I fell for it too. Yeah, I was a bit unsure of Izzy's reveal but sometimes you have to make a decision.

Same here. We only had a few minutes to decide in... (Sorry, Shasta:( ).

I'm wondering... If Izzy is a wolf, what is Aganzir? Could that have been a wolf-on-wolf thing yesterDay?

Gaurcrist is very much on the radar now. He might have been advised to cause some trouble at the start of the day to distract the village (or is the Robber Bridegroom). Again, regardless of phantom's true nature, Gaurcrist's early action isn't helpful.

We can refine this a bit: Gaurcrist has repeatedly voted the phantom for no particular reason except that he's just sure he's a baddie. Gaurcrist is still alive. So I should say the odds are heavily against tp being a wolf– unless a.) Gaurcrist is one too and it's all some weird (and badly executed) plot to make tp look good or something or b.) the wolves have let Gaurcrist live because they think he's the Robber Bridegroom.

Place your bets now!

the phantom is a wolf and Gaurcrist is innocent. (50-1)

They're in it together. (12-1)

They're both innocent. (12-1)

Gaurcrist is the Robber Bridegroom. (8-1)

"It's a safe bet with Auntie Nerwen!"

EDIT: X'd since Eomer at 535.

Isabellkya

05-25-2009, 09:33 AM

Oh dear Village. That would be the conundrum would it not? Did I drink the wine proffered to me, or did I drink the wine in Their cup?

I know what you did.

I know you do. But They don't. They know not whether I ate cakes of my own making to counteract the poison or simply drank the sweet beverage. Nor do they know which cup I drank from.

It doesn't matter which cup you drank from.

Oh, but it does!
...........

Anywhoo. I don't believe I ever claimed dream results were in on Aganzir and Shasta. I said I had an epiphany - very different. Which I apologize Shasta - I seemed to have been in a destructive mood, or something.

To the best of my knowledge, I can't recall ever fake claiming here - I don't see why I would start now. I suppose if I was for sure to be in the noose yesterDay (which I wasn't), and was feeling particularly suicidal I suppose.

Which begs the question, as to why some people whom were around yesterDay at deadline did not try to save me after I claimed. But, professed 'shocked' sentiments when I said Aganzir and Shasta had not been dreamed.

Well, if you are shocked it were not true - it implies you believed they were for some reason. If you believed they were dreamed of, then you believed my Ranger claim. If you believed my Ranger claim, then why didn't you change your vote accordingly? Go ahead.

If you want to lynch me, I would only ask that you wait until a bit later. Or go and do it in the next ten minutes. Otherwise, I'm leaving in ten minutes - well thirteen to be precise and will be gone all day. Not a holiday for me today.

X'd since Eomer's #538.

Eomer of the Rohirrim

05-25-2009, 09:38 AM

Gwath's death doesn't surprise me much, though - the way he and Izzy started suspecting me almost simultaneously looked like they had been communicating with each other. The wolves probably thought they'd get the seer (or, alternatively, if Izzy is a wolf, wanted to make it look like they had been trying to target the seer).

I'm thinking there is no way Aganzir says this unless Izzy is a wolf. No way. It points out Aganzir as a wolf.

Then I think: if Izzy did just mess up yesterday, Aganzir is cleverly making sure there's no way of Izzy getting the village back on her side: Aganzir had Gwath killed, and everything is pointed to a set-up of an innocent Aganzir by Wolf Izzy.

Either way, one of them is going today, and I wouldn't rule out wolf-on-wolf.

Isabellkya

05-25-2009, 09:47 AM

How clever of you Miss Aganzir. You know I am not one of you.
Do I know your role? Nay, not at this time.
I still think you are Nefarious.

Feanor of the Peredhil

05-25-2009, 10:13 AM

Gwath's death doesn't surprise me much, though - the way he and Izzy started suspecting me almost simultaneously looked like they had been communicating with each other. The wolves probably thought they'd get the seer

Good grief. Who needs a seer to notice the fact that Aganzir just admitted she's evil. :rolleyes:

The only way two people simultaneously suspecting somebody makes any difference to bad guys is if that somebody is a bad guy. Makes no difference the role of the two: the guilty conscience speaks for itself.

++Aganzir

Well, if you are shocked it were not true - it implies you believed they were for some reason. If you believed they were dreamed of, then you believed my Ranger claim. If you believed my Ranger claim, then why didn't you change your vote accordingly? Go ahead.

Easy, Iz: at the time I didn't actually believe (for certain) your Ranger reveal. I'd been thinking Robber Bridegroom for you. So when you revealed, I started to doubt myself, and then when you revealed that you knew absolutely jack (for certain, at least) about the roles of these people you were trying to get killed, I became rather more confident that you were behaving cobblerishly, trying to deflect attention from somebody, I just didn't know - and didn't have time to figure out - who.

In any case, whether you're bridegroom or not, you obviously scared Aganzir. :rolleyes:

I'm thinking there is no way Aganzir says this unless Izzy is a wolf. No way. It points out Aganzir as a wolf.

I'm surprised I didn't think of this. I'd made it to:

Izzy = Bridegroom, Agan = spooked wolf
Izzy = Ranger, Agan = rightfully scared wolf
Izzy = Bluffing something, Agan = Robber Bridegroom trying to... I dunno...

But wolf on wolf is a twist I need to think about.

At least I'm finally confident about somebody's role. :rolleyes:

Inziladun

05-25-2009, 10:15 AM

How clever of you Miss Aganzir. You know I am not one of you.
Do I know your role? Nay, not at this time.
I still think you are Nefarious.

You also said that about Shasta, and that didn't turn out so well.
At this point, my conclusion is that either you or Agan, or both, are bad.

edit- x'd with Fea

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 10:19 AM

When examining my behaviour during the later half of yesterday, you might want to keep in mind the fact that I had slept altogether 10-11 hours during the previous two nights. I don't know about you others, but my energy level has more to do with how I post than my role so I should probably start posting on the admin thread every time I've slept less than seven hours.

As yet I do not have past histories of players to rely on and am pretty much learning as I go.
I was talking about their behaviour in this game, not in general. Kath has been far more substantial than, say, Mira.

I thought my reasoning no flimsier than that used by others when people have actually been lynched.
Sometimes people are lynched on flimsy grounds. Truth is, when telling why you suspected Kath, you mostly described what she had been doing and said her un-explained vote sounded bad. Well Kath said she had run out of time, and although she would've wanted to go through his posts, she was happy with her vote. I can't see what was suspicious about that, and your comment looks opportunistic.

Eomer - a hypothetical question. Would your conscience allow you to fake your knowledge about the rules if doing so would make you look better in the eyes of the village?

Why didn't you use that as your reason yesterDay?
Because that day my main reason was that I didn't want Boro or Mith to die. But as you can see from my post #314, I found you suspicious, and mentioned also those things, so I just voted for one of my suspects.

Why would I do such a thing when I thought Boro innocent, and Eomer no idea?
Tell me that. Yet it was you who said we shouldn't think their confusion about the roles pointed to their innocence. Of course their confusion didn't mean they're innocent, no one said so, but you were trying to altogether downplay the whole thing. Like, "hey village keep suspecting them, this doesn't mean anything!"

How is my suspicions of Shasta weird?
Okay sorry - here I admit to being reckless (I decided to go with my gut and not go back to check how things actually were - I had so little time). The thing I found weird about it was how you kept labouring the point of his ordo claim being a bluff, it came across as if you were trying to use every single reason you could find to suspect him.

Phantom why do you think Izzy's claim would have been challenged in eight minutes if she isn't the ranger when half the village is away?

Nerwen and Kath look good.
Inzil and Mira look bad.

**

Okay today.

Well of course I would be calculating!
Yes but the way you were calculating looked evil - you went like "to vote or not to vote" on several people, and waited really long till you voted. Plus your vote was the one that saved Izzy.

What bothered me more was that she seemed to have decided beforehand that she suspects Fea and was therefore determined to find fur in Fea's every statement.
Exactly my thoughts here.

I'm thinking there is no way Aganzir says this unless Izzy is a wolf. No way. It points out Aganzir as a wolf.
Could you be so friendly as to explain your thought process because I don't get it?

Nerwen

05-25-2009, 10:35 AM

Good grief. Who needs a seer to notice the fact that Aganzir just admitted she's evil.

Fea, I believe you're right. I didn't even notice that!

...You know, that could be right up there with, "I've never been a wolf before...":D:D:D

Izzy looks pretty bad too, though... she must have known she was misleading us yesterDay.

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 10:35 AM

Good grief. Who needs a seer to notice the fact that Aganzir just admitted she's evil. :rolleyes:

The only way two people simultaneously suspecting somebody makes any difference to bad guys is if that somebody is a bad guy. Makes no difference the role of the two: the guilty conscience speaks for itself.
I don't understand what you're talking about. When I read through the day in the night, I thought it was possible Izzy was the ranger and was just testing Shasta & me (or others, if she was convinced we were guilty). The way she and Gwath started suspecting me at the same time (and with very little reason) made me think they had had a private chat and judged me evil. Consequently, I thought Gwath could be the seer.

And sorry if I'm somehow slower than you others, but it was only Izzy's posting today that really convinced me she's evil.

edit: xed with Nerwen. Could someone explain to me what that's about?

A Little Green

05-25-2009, 10:42 AM

Nerwen

05-25-2009, 11:04 AM

Okay... in the interests of being perfectly fair, I guess Agan could mean that the wolves thought that Gwath and Izzy (supposedly the Seer and Ranger) were pm-ing about her during the Day without the Seer having dreamed her yet, and it was just the fact that they seemed to be communicating that alerted the wolves– not that it was about Aganzir in particular. (Am I making sense?)

Hmmn... All well and good... but it's just not the way an innocent thinks, in my opinion.

Also, she's making a great show of suspecting Izzy toDay... but look how neatly that argument exonerates her.

EDIT: fixed bolding.

A Little Green

05-25-2009, 11:10 AM

Okay... in the interests of being perfectly fair, I suppose Agan could mean that the wolves thought that Gwath and Izzy (supposedly the Seer and Ranger) were pm-ing about her during the Day without the Seer having dreamed her yet, and it was just the fact that they seemed to be communicating that alerted the wolves– not that it was about Aganzir in particular. (Am I making sense?)Yes that's a fair point - but on the second quote, the one I posted in my last post, she says she thought Gwath was the Seer, which is kind of interesting...

Nerwen

05-25-2009, 11:18 AM

Yes that's a fair point - but on the second quote, the one I posted in my last post, she says she thought Gwath was the Seer, which is kind of interesting...

That sort of illustrates what I mean about "not the way an innocent thinks"...

A Little Green

05-25-2009, 11:29 AM

That sort of illustrates what I mean about "not the way an innocent thinks"...Indeed. :D I should make a list in order not to concentrate solely on Aganzir's wolfy thinking. I'm quite convinced we've got a wolf (interested to see how she defends herself, though), but we also have three others, and though I'll probably vote Agan toDay I don't want to spend the whole Day talking only about her. Yes. I should make a list.

But then, I should also write an essay. Gah...

Nerwen

05-25-2009, 11:38 AM

Well, I need to get some sleep.

Good night.

Inziladun

05-25-2009, 11:40 AM

I don't understand what you're talking about. When I read through the day in the night, I thought it was possible Izzy was the ranger and was just testing Shasta & me (or others, if she was convinced we were guilty). The way she and Gwath started suspecting me at the same time (and with very little reason) made me think they had had a private chat and judged me evil. Consequently, I thought Gwath could be the seer.

And sorry if I'm somehow slower than you others, but it was only Izzy's posting today that really convinced me she's evil.

Oddly enough, Gwath's last vote was for you, was it not?
I don't find your potshots at me particulary worrisome. I explained my Kath vote, and no, it wasn't that solid of a case, but it was down to her and Mith and I made a decision. At least I didn't vote a known innocent as I did the first time.
I know what side I am on, thank you.

Izzy is still highly suspicious. In post #490 she goes into detail about why Agan is so dodgy, gives a couple of lines to Shasta, proclaiming him 'foul' as well, and then goes and votes Shasta. And for someone needing to justify a pretty serious claim, she's not speaking all that plainly.

the phantom

05-25-2009, 11:49 AM

I'm pretty much hating Izzy right now.
Anywhoo. I don't believe I ever claimed dream results were in on Aganzir and Shasta. I said I had an epiphany - very different.
Really? Are you sure?

I asked you if the Seer had dreamed of you, and you said this-
They did indeed dream of me.
That means that you would be able to PM with the Seer (because the Seer can PM the FGM or Hunter if he/she dreams one of them), which means you would know ALL THE DREAM RESULTS!!!

So, I went back and looked at the guilt/innocence list you posted (here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=597946&postcount=490)), and you didn't say anything certain about anyone on the list, except Agan and Shasta who were listed as "foul".

So the OBVIOUS implication was that the Seer had told you that Shasta and Agan were guilty, seeing as they were the only two listed with any certainty ("He is foul" and "She is foul").

But then of course right at the end you posted this-
Nope. The seer has not dreamed of them, yet.
And if I had seen that before I voted I would've just kept my vote on you. I didn't think Shasta was a terrible risk because I figured he wasn't the Seer, so I went along with your claim, but once I saw that you were claiming to be dreamt of AND know absolutely nothing for certain, well.... I was not pleased.

How do you explain this, lass?

A Little Green

05-25-2009, 12:01 PM

Nerwen - Makes mostly valid points, is helpful and clever and entertaining, none of which makes her innocent of course, but I have little reason for suspecting her.

Eomer - I have very little on him considering how actively he has posted. Could be anything.

Aganzir - Like I said I'm pretty convinced we've got a wolf here.

McCaber - I wish he'd post more. Things being as they are I can't say this or that about him.

Izzy - She. Is. Causing. Me. A. Big. Headache. :p Seriously though, I do wonder why she wasn't killed last Night. Either she is a baddie who's faking or else the wolves expected her to protect herself. Also her interactions with Agan are interesting. Dunno. I want to check her posts, but I won't have time to do that today. Hopefully I'll have the time still toDay..

Mira - I'm uneasy about her, because of that affair with the cause against Fea. She's another one I'd need to check.

Gaurcrist - Another one I'd wish to hear more from.

Kath - A classic Kath; relatively quiet but speaks a lot of sense. No idea about her role, possibly leaning innocent.

Inziladun - Seems okay.

Fea - If Agan does turn out to be a baddie it makes Fea look quite innocent since she was the one who originally paid attention to Agan's "slip". I don't claim that others wouldn't have noticed it if she hadn't pointed it out, but the fact that she was the first to do that makes me seriously doubt that she'd be her fellow. Besides, nothing else she has said has caused me to suspect her.

Lari - The same as McCaber and Gaurcrist. Hope she'll be better soon! Food poisoning sounds nasty. :(

the phantom - Still no idea.

SO:

Leaning innocent:
Fea
Inziladun
Kath
Nerwen

No idea:
McCab
Gaurcrist
Lari

Too many ideas:
Izzy
phantom
Eomer

Leaning evil:
Mira

Downright evil:
Agan

EDIT: x-ed with Nerwen (Good night!), Inzy (Hello!) and phantom (Hello!)

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 12:29 PM

Right, Agan, have a look at the underlined passage and tell me something. If you judge that someone who thinks you are evil is the Seer, what does that make you? (Clue: not innocent.)
Okay I admit that looks funny (I'm seriously irritated but your comment managed to make me laugh). :D The point was that I thought Izzy and Gwath had been communicating, and the seer & the ranger could communicate.

Okay... in the interests of being perfectly fair, I guess Agan could mean that the wolves thought that Gwath and Izzy (supposedly the Seer and Ranger) were pm-ing about her during the Day without the Seer having dreamed her yet, and it was just the fact that they seemed to be communicating that alerted the wolves– not that it was about Aganzir in particular. (Am I making sense?)
Either that, or they wanted to find someone whose death would take our eyes off Izzy. In this light the latter sounds a hundred times more likely than the former, and they seem to have succeeded in that damn well. I just don't understand why she pretty much confessed now if their intention was to keep her alive, unless she's the Bridegroom.

This is annoying me to no end, if we don't get a baddie today our chances are going to be very slim tomorrow, and you are talking about lynching me!

but it's just not the way an innocent thinks, in my opinion.
I fail to see why. I think mainly about myself and compare I'm a self-centered player because my innocence is the only thing I can be sure about (and I'm a self-centered person because I'm just so awesome).
So, Nerwen, tell me what is the way an innocent thinks. Go ahead. Tell me why you think Gwath was killed. I request everybody tell me why Gwath died. That will not only reveal to us how an innocent thinks (we just take the theory most people agree on and declare it AN INNOCENT WAY OF THINKING), but it will also be very helpful since it gets people talking.

And I am being serious.

Also, she's making a great show of suspecting Izzy toDay... but look how neatly that argument exonerates her.
Where did that come from? I didn't say anything definite about her before she started posting today.

she says she thought Gwath was the Seer, which is kind of interesting...
Yes and Izzy said the seer hadn't dreamed of me so I don't see where the problem is.

I explained my Kath vote, and no, it wasn't that solid of a case, but it was down to her and Mith and I made a decision.
No it was not particularly the vote but the fact that your suspicion of her looked wolfish!

It's pretty interesting Greenie doesn't find Izzy (who practically confessed earlier today) suspicious but wavers on her. Remember the wolves can afford to be bold at this point, there are so few days left if everything goes according to their will.

Really this is ridiculous.

Mirandir

05-25-2009, 12:38 PM

I'm around but I'm going to wait to see how a few things play out before I post anything of significance. That and my brain doesn't function without food and pizza isn't here yet. :p

A Little Green

05-25-2009, 12:41 PM

This is annoying me to no end, if we don't get a baddie today our chances are going to be very slim tomorrow, and you are talking about lynching me!Come on, sweetheart. If you cooled down a bit you'd see that the things you've said do make you seem very suspicious. You, too, would get suspicious of such comments. Of course if you're innocent then it isn't reasonable for us to talk about lynching you, but just don't act as if you had no idea how come anyone could suspect cute little you.

It's pretty interesting Greenie doesn't find Izzy (who practically confessed earlier today) suspicious but wavers on her. Remember the wolves can afford to be bold at this point, there are so few days left if everything goes according to their will.Practically confessed? :confused: If that's true then I must've missed that. Anyway, one reason for me to waver on Izzy is that if you are a wolf it makes me wonder whether the thing the two of you are playing at is too dangerous to be wolf-on-wolf - but then, you said it yourself, wolves can afford to be bold at this point.

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 12:57 PM

Mira you could for example be the one to start and tell me why Gwath was killed.

but just don't act as if you had no idea how come anyone could suspect cute little you.
Aww Green you're all too sweet, you're making me smile all the time although I'm pretty p*ssed off. :D<3
Seriously I still don't understand what was so suspicious in my comment and despite asking, no one has bothered to tell me. It was what I had been thinking, take it or leave it.

Practically confessed? :confused: If that's true then I must've missed that. Anyway, one reason for me to waver on Izzy is that if you are a wolf it makes me wonder whether the thing the two of you are playing at is too dangerous to be wolf-on-wolf - but then, you said it yourself, wolves can afford to be bold at this point.
She did absolutely nothing to explain her behaviour, which I take as a confession. If she was innocent it would be in her best interests that we didn't lynch her, especially given how little time there's left.

And why on earth are you more certain about my guilt than Izzy's? I'm not the one who has pretended to be a gifted and claimed to know who the seer has found guilty (the both of whom, surprisingly, innocent).

Oh yes I forgot to mention one reason I was uncertain about Izzy's claim - I wondered why she'd come out as the ranger since then not just one but two people would know she was lying, if she wasn't the ranger herself.

A Little Green

05-25-2009, 01:00 PM

She did absolutely nothing to explain her behaviour, which I take as a confession. If she was innocent it would be in her best interests that we didn't lynch her, especially given how little time there's left.I don't see how it would be in a wolf's best interests that we lynched her, either. :p

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 01:05 PM

I don't see how it would be in a wolf's best interests that we lynched her, either. :p
But if she was innocent she would probably explain why she did what she did - now she seems to have contented to be lynched, like, "there's nothing I can do about it so why even try". I think it's more likely a baddie goes down without fighting than an innocent.

McCaber

05-25-2009, 01:09 PM

First off, I'm sorry about not being there yesterDay. I need to remember my on and off days better.

So it looks rather dire for our humble village right now. I won't have a lot of time toDay, either, so I've got to go with

++Aganzir

I should be back later to take a look at a few more people. But it should be pretty clear that we found at least one wolf today.

the phantom

05-25-2009, 01:11 PM

I'm certainly not saying that Agan is innocent, but why does she look more guilty than Izzy, people?

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 01:12 PM

Be so kind as to explain the reasons for your vote, McCaber.

Also, you could go and tell me why Gwath was killed. I'm interested in hearing your theory.

A Little Green

05-25-2009, 01:13 PM

And why on earth are you more certain about my guilt than Izzy's? I'm not the one who has pretended to be a gifted and claimed to know who the seer has found guilty (the both of whom, surprisingly, innocent).First of all, there is the fact that I still find your comments about Izzy and Gwath terribly furry, and like I said your guilt would make Izzy's a bit less probable. Certainly not impossible, but less probable. Secondly, there is this point you yourself phrased quite a lot clearer than I could have:Oh yes I forgot to mention one reason I was uncertain about Izzy's claim - I wondered why she'd come out as the ranger since then not just one but two people would know she was lying, if she wasn't the ranger herself.Since the Seer and Ranger can communicate, claiming as Ranger would be as good as telling both the Seer and the real Ranger "I'm a baddie". There has been no counter-claim, though it's possible that the real Ranger - or let alone the Seer - wants to lay low for some time still. Be that as it may, it would still be a huge risk for a wolf to claim as Ranger in a game where claiming as Ranger pretty much reveals his/her identity to two players instead of one.

EDIT: x-ed since my last - wow, there's people here!

Eomer of the Rohirrim

05-25-2009, 01:14 PM

Gwath's death doesn't surprise me much, though - the way he and Izzy started suspecting me almost simultaneously looked like they had been communicating with each other. The wolves probably thought they'd get the seer (or, alternatively, if Izzy is a wolf, wanted to make it look like they had been trying to target the seer).

Agan:

The wolves probably thought they'd get the Seer, agreed. If they thought Gwath was the Seer then it's pretty clear that his totally unexplained and out-of-the-blue vote for you had something to do with it.

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 01:14 PM

I'm certainly not saying that Agan is innocent, but why does she look more guilty than Izzy, people?
Yeah that's what I'd like to know too. :rolleyes:

Some people are doing a very good job at making me look like a wolf and I can't believe even people I've always considered sensible players are falling for it!

the phantom

05-25-2009, 01:18 PM

By the way, did anyone notice this in yesterday's narrative?
The villagers dropped the bows and started walking to their proper homes, the four baddies taking their usual routes towards the Old Witch's home. They all smiled to themselves. What bad guy doesn't know how to shoot an arrow?
Shasta was killed by four arrows. Four baddies walked to the Witch's home. First, I'd say that Reddie has not been turned.

Second, if baddies can all shoot arrows, wouldn't five arrows have killed Shasta? I see five baddies listed on the role list. Have we lost one somehow?

the phantom

05-25-2009, 01:21 PM

(yesterday)

Izzy- I'm the Ranger, and I've been dreamed of! Shasta and Agan are evil!

(after the lynch)

Izzy- Ha ha! No. Just kidding.

Why aren't people lining up to throw stones at her?

A Little Green

05-25-2009, 01:23 PM

Some people are doing a very good job at making me look like a wolf and I can't believe even people I've always considered sensible players are falling for it!Who and who are you talking about?

the phantom

05-25-2009, 01:27 PM

Some people are doing a very good job at making me look like a wolf and I can't believe even people I've always considered sensible players are falling for it!
Who and who are you talking about?
Yeah, I want to know that too. Because you obviously can't mean Greenie, Fea, or McCaber. :p

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 01:28 PM

First of all, there is the fact that I still find your comments about Izzy and Gwath terribly furry, and like I said your guilt would make Izzy's a bit less probable.
A suspicious comment versus blatant lying, posing as a gifted & throwing two players for lynching? What if a few people had decided to vote for me instead of Shasta and I had been the seer? That'd be funny, wouldn't it? (No I'm not the seer, don't worry, but Izzy was pretty reckless there).

There has been no counter-claim, though it's possible that the real Ranger - or let alone the Seer - wants to lay low for some time still. Be that as it may, it would still be a huge risk for a wolf to claim as Ranger in a game where claiming as Ranger pretty much reveals his/her identity to two players instead of one.
Indeed and that's why it doesn't make any sense to me! However she herself said that she wasn't telling the truth and I think at least in that we can believe her. Also, why would the ranger reveal herself now just to ensure Izzy is lynched?
Actually I would quite prefer she did it, there's not much time left (gosh that seems to be my favourite phrase today... But then, it's true!).

If they thought Gwath was the Seer then it's pretty clear that his totally unexplained and out-of-the-blue vote for you had something to do with it.
No, to me it isn't. I suggested they thought so because there seemed to be a connection between Gwath and Izzy, both of their change of mind about me was so quick and weird. (I am tired with repeating myself!)
And according to Izzy-ranger the seer hadn't dreamed of me so that sort of ruins your theory, too.

Inziladun

05-25-2009, 01:28 PM

(yesterday)

Izzy- I'm the Ranger, and I've been dreamed of! Shasta and Agan are evil!

(after the lynch)

Izzy- Ha ha! No. Just kidding.

Why aren't people lining up to throw stones at her?

Why not, indeed? It's become the Agan Show today. Not without reason, but it almost looks like Izzy's on the way to getting a pass.

the phantom

05-25-2009, 01:32 PM

but it almost looks like Izzy's on the way to getting a pass.
Not if we don't let her.

I'm certainly not going to vote this early (in case someone wants to reveal later or something), but I'm not about to let this thing die.

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 01:36 PM

Shasta was killed by four arrows. Four baddies walked to the Witch's home. First, I'd say that Reddie has not been turned.
A good find. So there's still hope, at least for today, but we really really really need to get a baddie soon.

Who and who are you talking about?
I am talking about the wolves who made a kill that frames me, myself for talking too much and apparently saying wrong things :rolleyes: (see? A village full of dead loudmouths and living silent ones. When will we learn?), and those of you who keep insisting I'm guilty (pretty much everyone).
And the latter who includes those of you who keep insisting I'm guilty (pretty much everyone).

A Little Green

05-25-2009, 01:39 PM

I'm not saying I don't suspect Izzy. I'm freaked out by her if truth be told. The thing is, she is confusing me a lot at this point and I won't say anything decisive about her before I've re-read at least her reveal and her toDay's posts. And, like I think I mentioned before, I should be writing an essay instead of werewolfing and actually it's about time I went to bed so I won't do those things today. I definitely will before voting, so you can calm yourself in that sense.

EDIT: x-ed with Agan

A Little Green

05-25-2009, 01:42 PM

Some people are doing a very good job at making me look like a wolf and I can't believe even people I've always considered sensible players are falling for it!I am talking about the wolves who made a kill that frames me, myself for talking too much and apparently saying wrong things (see? A village full of dead loudmouths and living silent ones. When will we learn?), and those of you who keep insisting I'm guilty (pretty much everyone).
And the latter who includes those of you who keep insisting I'm guilty (pretty much everyone).
So does that make me an evil mastermind and a misled innocent at the same time? :confused:

A Little Green

05-25-2009, 01:43 PM

Gah, I really must be off to bed now. I'll be back before DL, though I'm not sure how much I'll be able to post.

McCaber

05-25-2009, 01:46 PM

I think Izzy is very probably a wolf, but I also think so about Aganzir. If things go differently than I expect, I will be glad to change my vote to Izzy before deadline.

To be honest, I haven't had much time to read a lot of yesterDay's posts, so I really don't know why Gwath was killed. I'll tell you my thoughts about that and other happenings soon enough, though.

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 01:49 PM

So does that make me an evil mastermind and a misled innocent at the same time? :confused:
I haven't decided yet which one you are. :p

Gosh I've missed being angry, I always play better when in an aggressive mood. The unfortunate thing is that I see wolves everywhere and there's no time to lynch them all.

I'm looking forward to you changing your vote, Cab.

A pity that Green just went to bed, but who others are there? Phantom and Inziladun, why was Gwath killed?

wilwarin538

05-25-2009, 01:50 PM

In the middle of all the discussion and confusion and mahem and arguing and accusing the villagers suddenly realised that someone was missing. A Little Green was nowhere to be seen.

“Wasn’t she here just a second ago?” the phantom said, looking around.

“Yeah she was. Where’d she run off too?” Aganzir questioned, beginning to search around the town square.

They all did the same, looking in the alleys, under benches, in trees, in garbage bins, etc etc. Then they reached the little school house. Slowly they walked inside and searched around the little room. Then they got to Greenie’s desk.

“Oh my!” Eomer gasped. It was a terrible sight. Greenie had been all chopped up into pieces. She was lying now on the floor, all of her limbs in the right places but with a little gap in between each. It was an awful sight to behold.

The villagers were shocked, a death in the middle of the Day, it couldn’t be! But it was true. They returned mournfully to the town square as Eomer readied a grave for the poor Cinderella.

The dead:
Nienna - hung Day 1 - ordinary villager
Lommy – mauled Night 2 – ordinary villager
Mith - lynched Day 2 - Fair Maiden
Boro88 – yum, frog legs Night 3 – Frog-Prince
Sally – died of shear sorrow Night 3 - Princess
Shasta - shot by arrows Day 3 - ordinary villager
Gwath – defeated Night 4 – Prince Charming
Greenie – chopped up by the Robber Bridegroom middle of Day 4 - Cinderella

The living:
Nerwen - bookmaker
Eomer - gravedigger
Aganzir - jailor, arena and lions included
McCaber - humble shopkeeper
Izzy - baker
Mira - apothocary
Gaurcrist - blacksmith
Kath - restaurant owner
Inziladun - shruberrer's apprentice
Fea - Storyteller
Lari - fortune teller
the phantom - the crazy book liberator

Still Day 4. Continue please.

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 01:52 PM

Whoa.

5-7.

:(

wilwarin538

05-25-2009, 01:57 PM

Whoa.

5-7.

:(

Uhm...not necessarily. I don't know if I said this or not but the Robber Bridegroom counts as a villager in the tally, just like Cobblers usually do.

Unless LRC has been turned, then it would indeed be 5-7. But of course I'm not gonna tell you guys that. :D

***Wilwa prances away all evil and powerful like***

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 01:58 PM

Yes I thought it would be so, but it doesn't really matter - the Bridegroom is on the wolves' side. :(

Inziladun

05-25-2009, 01:59 PM

Who saw that coming (except the evil RB, of course)? :eek: This was the first time I'd really had a chance to read a lot of her posts, and I was quite liking what I saw.
So much for the Lover pairs.

wilwarin538

05-25-2009, 02:03 PM

So much for the Lover pairs.

Tell me about it. :rolleyes:

Mirandir

05-25-2009, 02:07 PM

Mira you could for example be the one to start and tell me why Gwath was killed.

And why would I have any idea why Gwath was killed?

In case you couldn't tell I'm here and reading, just needed to respond to that before I forgot.

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 02:11 PM

And why would I have any idea why Gwath was killed?
Because everyone is supposed to have at least some kind of idea, and I am trying to find out how much my own idea resembles those of the others in order to tell if my way of thinking is innocent or not.

By the way, more than half the players have less posts than the mod.

Mirandir

05-25-2009, 02:15 PM

Because everyone is supposed to have at least some kind of idea, and I am trying to find out how much my own idea resembles those of the others in order to tell if my way of thinking is innocent or not.

For a second there I thought you were accusing me of being one of the ones who killed him. Nice to see that's not the case.

Personally, I agree that the baddies thought they were going to get the seer, but I'll go through Gwath's posts from yesterDay now to see if I can find anything else.

Mirandir

05-25-2009, 02:28 PM

So I didn't find anything that would necessarily lead to me to believe that the wolves got seer-vibes from Gwath, but I did find something else interesting.

Was that too terse? Let me expound.

If Aganzir is talking about the big post that Shasta made earlier toDay, Aganzir's remark doesn't make any sense because Shasta really didn't say anything particularly weird in that post. He did, however, direct some pointed comments in Aganzir's direction and it looks a lot to me like Aganzir is trying to brush it all off as nothin'. Aganzir's flippancy here and other places is making me suspicious.

Here Gwath finds Agan's comment about Shasta's earlier post suspicious. Both have since ended up dead. He also voted for Aganzir.

If Agan is a wolf as some people seem to believe (myself included), she could have killed Gwath at Night because he was onto her furry ways. Starting my case against her now.

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 02:48 PM

Sorry Mira but I think you're underestimating me - I wouldn't be so jumpy as a wolf that I'd kill someone because he voiced a little suspicion against me.

And the comment was not about Shasta's earlier post, it was about his behaviour in general and Gwath misinterpreted it. I have nothing to do with their deaths, either of their.

I hope your case is good and different from your Fea case - that is, objective.

Feanor of the Peredhil

05-25-2009, 03:04 PM

I think they killed him to sow confusion, hoping the Ranger would waste a protection on somebody important. The first part obviously worked. I hope the second part didn't. :rolleyes:

Now here's what I'm thinking, now that I've napped: Agan is competent: her kind of slip is barely believable. She all but said she's a wolf. Why would she do that when it would be so easy to set up Izzy today? Why put the spotlight on herself?

So I'm thinking: they don't want to get Izzy killed.

What if Izzy is more important than Aganzir to the pack? I can't see Agan taking one for the team on purpose unless it's for a big win. She was suspected, but not pinned. Why thrust herself into almost certain death?

I think Izzy might be the Big Bad Wolf and the wolves would rather keep their chance at Red Cap alive than keep Aganzir around. Since Agan was already suspected, she would make a good lynch candidate.

They can try to salvage Izzy's mess up at the end of yesterday by deflecting the attention to Agan.

If the village is confident about one wolf and confused about another, wouldn't they assuredly vote for the one?

Mirandir

05-25-2009, 03:08 PM

#18
Begins game by calling everyone "bunnies." Last I checked, wolves eat rabbits.

Speculates on the importance of some of the roles.

#28
Plays with nicknames and banters.

#47
Likes McC, Laddie, Mith, and Lommy.
Dislikes Boro and phantom.
Speculates about the importance of the Lovers.

#80
Eeew beer.
Finds Lommy and Boro's first posts odd, but dismisses it as Day 1.
Disapproves of Shasta's ordo reveal on grounds that it makes it easier for BBW to find LRC.

#87
Responds to wilwa's comment about LRC

#99
Informs Kath and she and Lommy fight a lot.
Responds to Kath's question of why she is leaving Boro and phantom alone despite not liking them.

#131
Gets annoyed that people want to lynch Boro.
Questions if Gwath and Fea's suspcions about Boro trying to set Mira up are serious.
Says would rather kill phantom than Boro but won't vote for either today.
Doesn't know who to vote for yet.

#148
Responds to a lot of things Lommy said.
Doesn't like the Boro votes because they lack real reasoning.
Finds Lommy's response to Boro setting Mira up suspicious and cobbler-esque.
Is not "overly fond" of Greenie as she is "aggressive and grasping at straws at the same time" but also admits that tends to be suspicious because of previous games.

#162
Responds to a lot of things Boro said.
Personally I tend to be a very honest wolf - just because people don't think a wolf would do this or that. And therefore I have a hard time thinking a wolf could not be brutally honest.
Speculates on Hansel and Gretel.

#171
Responds to Lommy about Mith's suspicion of Shasta.
Says would vote for Shasta, but prefers Greenie.

#187
Votes Shasta over Boro or Nienna because of LRC factor.

#189
Vote count

#244
Speculates at to why Lommy was killed. Didn't see her as a threat.
Thinks the wolves would want to dispose of as many gifteds as possible early on because there are so many of them.

#247
How come so many people seem to be under the impression the wolves must attack Reddie in order to convert her? Correct a poor non-native speaker if she's wrong but to me that "along with the baddies kill choice" looks pretty much like they send two names every night.

A wolf would certainly know the specifics of exactly what must be done to turn LRC.

#263
Is confused by Mith.

#314
Makes massive list.
Guilty: Gwath, Izzy, Greenie, Lari, sally, Fea, Mira

Gwath and Izzy are both gifted so she could have been hiding her real suspicions in with a mate or two or hers.

Innocent: Inziladun, Eomer, Kath
Neither: Mith, Cab, Gaurcrist, Nerwen, Shasta, Boro, phantom

#331
Vote count

#338
Doesn't think Boro and Mith are honest, but doesn't find them suspicious.

#340
Votes Izzy. Doesn't want Boro or Mith to die but doesn't offer reason why

#383
Doesn't like Lari's vote.
Speculates about Lovers.

At this point I must take a break. My brain has stopped processing correctly. More to come later.

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 03:11 PM

Has it perchance occurred to anyone that if I was indeed a wolf and had killed Gwath, I would so not be here when the day starts, shouting "Maybe they thought he was the seer!"?

If I was a wolf, would I kill someone whose death points to me when all I had to do would be to survive a couple of days?

If I killed someone whose death points to me, would I suggest he might have been considered the seer when all I had to do would be to survive a couple of days?

Go figure.

Gaurcrist

05-25-2009, 03:16 PM

Gaurcrist has obviously been seriously affected by the phantom; either that, or it's an intricate ruse cooked up by the both of them.

Hahahahahahahaha! Like either of those would happen.

Mirandir

05-25-2009, 03:19 PM

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 03:20 PM

Agan is competent: her kind of slip is barely believable. She all but said she's a wolf.
I still don't understand that. Care to explain?

They can try to salvage Izzy's mess up at the end of yesterday by deflecting the attention to Agan.
That's what they're doing in any case. :rolleyes:

Gwath and Izzy are both gifted so she could have been hiding her real suspicions in with a mate or two or hers.
Since when has Izzy been a gifted?

Gaurcrist

05-25-2009, 03:21 PM

Gaurcrist is the Robber Bridegroom. (8-1)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Feanor of the Peredhil

05-25-2009, 03:23 PM

I still don't understand that. Care to explain?

This isn't hard, Aganzir. You said that Gwath's suspicion of you led you to believe he was the seer. If you're not evil, he wouldn't suspect you. If he wasn't right, you wouldn't label him with the Gifted role that's more or less infallible about such things.

Mirandir

05-25-2009, 03:24 PM

Since when has Izzy been a gifted?

Did you miss the cross post dear? Izzy's gifted since I dreamed of her and found out she's my ranger. We've been in contact since Night 2.

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 03:24 PM

Yes, actually, I think you would. Want to know why? Because I know you're a wolf. Want to know how? Because I'm the seer.
A bad try. I am innocent and if you're the seer & have dreamed of me, you should know it as well.

I don't know if you're a baddie trying to get me lynched & possibly flush the real seer out at the same time, or the seer (who has not dreamed of me) trying to put some pressure on me in order to see if I react wolfishly, but in either case you're wrong. Sorry. :p

Lariren Shadow

05-25-2009, 03:24 PM

To take Mira's word for it or not...that is the question.

Ok Seer Mira...who have you dreamed of besides Agan then?

Am currently working on epic post of epic also known as an analysis post.

Mirandir

05-25-2009, 03:26 PM

A bad try. I am innocent and if you're the seer & have dreamed of me, you should know it as well.

I don't know if you're a baddie trying to get me lynched & possibly flush the real seer out at the same time, or the seer (who has not dreamed of me) trying to put some pressure on me in order to see if I react wolfishly, but in either case you're wrong. Sorry. :p

I dreamed of you last night. You are Rumpelstilkskin.

Fea is the Ugly Stepsister.

Izzy is the Fairy Godmother.

Boro came across as a Prince because he had already been united with his Lover.

Feanor of the Peredhil

05-25-2009, 03:26 PM

Oh dear.

This is worse than Izzy saying she was the Ranger and then pulling one over on us.

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 03:27 PM

This isn't hard, Aganzir. You said that Gwath's suspicion of you led you to believe he was the seer. If you're not evil, he wouldn't suspect you. If he wasn't right, you wouldn't label him with the Gifted role that's more or less infallible about such things.
No I didn't! I said it was the seeming connection between Gwath and Izzy that led me believe so (not the fact that Gwath suspected me), and Izzy said herself the seer hadn't dreamed of me!

Feanor of the Peredhil

05-25-2009, 03:27 PM

Fea is the Ugly Stepsister.

Is that so? I think you just say that because I'm going to the wedding and you're not. :smokin:

Mirandir

05-25-2009, 03:29 PM

Is that so? I think you just say that because I'm going to the wedding and you're not. :smokin:

Because that is totally a legitimate reason to try to get you lynched. You know darn well I'd rather just poison your brownies.

And if that's the case, shouldn't I be going after Lari as well?

Mirandir

05-25-2009, 03:30 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Care to explain why that's so funny?

Lariren Shadow

05-25-2009, 03:32 PM

Because that is totally a legitimate reason to try to get you lynched. You know darn well I'd rather just poison your brownies.

And if that's the case, shouldn't I be going after Lari as well?

Well and wanted to go after Nienna as well. But I digress about this.

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 03:32 PM

Care to explain why that's so funny?
Maybe Nerwen got it right.

Feanor of the Peredhil

05-25-2009, 03:33 PM

Care to explain why that's so funny?

Because he's secretly the phantom, playing against himself for laughs.

Ironic timing... :rolleyes:

Gaurcrist

05-25-2009, 03:36 PM

Hey, why not vote tp? If we just vote blindly, there is still a one-third chance that we will get a baddie. Come on. Please?

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 03:36 PM

Because he's secretly the phantom, playing against himself for laughs.

Ironic timing... :rolleyes:
That would be hilarious.

Gaurcrist

05-25-2009, 03:37 PM

Why am I an animated skeleton?

Mirandir

05-25-2009, 03:38 PM

Because he's secretly the phantom, playing against himself for laughs.

Ironic timing... :rolleyes:

I'm starting to agree...:rolleyes:

Inziladun

05-25-2009, 03:39 PM

I dreamed of you last night. You are Rumpelstilkskin.

Fea is the Ugly Stepsister.

Izzy is the Fairy Godmother.

Boro came across as a Prince because he had already been united with his Lover.

I don't know what to make of this yet. My only thought thus far is that you've had a extraordinary run of good luck if you're telling the truth, considering you've only been at it what, four Nights?

Mirandir

05-25-2009, 03:41 PM

I don't know what to make of this yet. My only thought thus far is that you've had a extraordinary run of good luck if you're telling the truth, considering you've only been at it what, four Nights?

Four Nights and managed to get a gifted each Night. However, when there are only four ordos in a game with this many roles, it's not so unusual.

Gaurcrist

05-25-2009, 03:42 PM

I dreamed of you last night. You are Rumpelstilkskin.

What do people mean if they say "I dreamed of you last night"?

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 03:43 PM

I don't know what to make of this yet. My only thought thus far is that you've had a extraordinary run of good luck if you're telling the truth, considering you've only been at it what, four Nights?
Yes that's a lot of good luck. Unbelievably much.

Not to mention the fact that at least one of her wolves is innocent...

Which sort of makes me not believe anything she says.

Ooh it's nice to see that now I turned from a wolf into a gifted!

Inziladun

05-25-2009, 03:44 PM

Four Nights and managed to get a gifted each Night. However, when there are only four ordos in a game with this many roles, it's not so unusual.

The Gifteds I can understand because, as you said there are so many. But two wolves in four nights?

Mirandir

05-25-2009, 03:45 PM

Yes that's a lot of good luck. Unbelievably much.

And if it wasn't true do you really think I'd be stupid enough to make a lie that blatant?

Ooh it's nice to see that now I turned from a wolf into a gifted!

:rolleyes: You know what I mean. Gifted in the sense that not ordinary.

Gaurcrist

05-25-2009, 03:45 PM

Care to explain why that's so funny?

Because it is so amazing that anybody would think that I'm the Robber Bridegroom. Funny as well.

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 03:45 PM

The Gifteds I can understand because, as you said there are so many. But two wolves in four nights?
No didn't you see? She said she got four gifteds.

Mirandir

05-25-2009, 03:48 PM

No didn't you see? She said she got four gifteds.

Are you really going to nitpick because I'm running on way less sleep than I should be? When I said "gifteds" I meant people who were not ordos. Certainly not something to dwell on.

Feanor of the Peredhil

05-25-2009, 03:48 PM

Agan, you're flailing.

Gaurcrist, you're my new best friend. Want a sandwich?

Inziladun

05-25-2009, 03:49 PM

No didn't you see? She said she got four gifteds.

Am I missing something, or are we just talking semantics?

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 03:50 PM

And if it wasn't true do you really think I'd be stupid enough to make a lie that blatant?
Well no - I didn't think so. :p

:rolleyes: You know what I mean. Gifted in the sense that not ordinary.
Oh but I'm Little Red Cap, perfectly ordinary!

Seriously guys, I'm sorry. Whose idea was it to kill Gwath anyway? Or Boro? Or Lommy?

And phantom, you were wrong. With my 160cm/5'3'' I am probably one of the shortest people round here. Some people just like it dwarfish. :cool:

edit: xed
Mira of course I am! Do you think you can spoil my fun and get away with it? Besides I think Lommy once called me The Nit-Picky Dictator or something.

Mirandir

05-25-2009, 03:50 PM

Am I missing something, or are we just talking semantics?

It's semantics. I've been up since before 7 this morning and haven't been getting enough sleep for the past two and a half weeks. The whole US/England time difference thing? Not working out so well for me.

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 03:53 PM

I've been up since before 7 this morning and haven't been getting enough sleep for the past two and a half weeks
You see, it's pretty frustrating to be dreamed of because of being too tired to think properly. :( I think you should apologize.

Mirandir

05-25-2009, 03:54 PM

You see, it's pretty frustrating to be dreamed of because of being too tired to think properly. :( I think you should apologize.

I would if I had anything to apologize for.

Gaurcrist

05-25-2009, 03:55 PM

Gaurcrist, you're my new best friend. Want a sandwich?

Cool. Why?

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 03:56 PM

I would if I had anything to apologize for.
But it was so much fun until you came and crashed it all down!

Inziladun

05-25-2009, 03:56 PM

All right, Mira, Wording aside, I'm just amazed that you were able to discover two baddies with four guesses. I was thinking Agan looked bad already. But you're now supporting Izzy, who has still, to my mind, not explained herself.

Mirandir

05-25-2009, 03:58 PM

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 04:02 PM

Yeah she never said she isn't the ranger, she just said she had been lying about the dreams. :rolleyes:

Did she protect herself last night?

Mirandir

05-25-2009, 04:05 PM

Yeah she never said she isn't the ranger, she just said she had been lying about the dreams. :rolleyes:

Did she protect herself last night?

When did she lying about the dreams? And you'd have to ask her that.

McCaber

05-25-2009, 04:06 PM

Now it's gotten considerably more unpredictable. Agan's just about admitted to guilt about three times now, while Izzy still looks no better.

I am inclined to believe Mira, unless it turns out that this is a scheme to drive the real seer out into the open. After the Bridegroom struck, the game has changed considerably. Perhaps the wolves feel ready to sacrifice a couple of packmates to pull such a brazen plot.

EDIT: crossed with Mira

Inziladun

05-25-2009, 04:07 PM

I'm not really sure what you want to hear from her, but she is definitely the ranger.

In post #490 she lumped Agan and Shasta together as 'foul', said much more about Agan in that post than Shasta, then turned around and voted Shasta, a known innocent.
Now, you said you'd only dreamed of Agan just last night, so it's plausible you and Izzy had not come to any conclusions about her before then. But you had been in contact since, what Day 3? With so much information passing back and forth between you, why was she so fixated on Shasta?

X'd with McCaber

Mirandir

05-25-2009, 04:12 PM

In post #490 she lumped Agan and Shasta together as 'foul', said much more about Agan in that post than Shasta, then turned around and voted Shasta, a known innocent.
Now, you said you'd only dreamed of Agan just last night, so it's plausible you and Izzy had not come to any conclusions about her before then. But you had been in contact since, what Day 3? With so much information passing back and forth between you, why was she so fixated on Shasta?

X'd with McCaber

Shasta was going to be my pick for last Night but ended up dead before I could do anything. But if you'll recall she had also built up a case against me the Day before she found out I was the seer. Before that I can only speculate as to what her suspicions about Shasta were, but his ordo reveal so early on was the grounds for it (as far as I know. Again, you'd have to ask her).

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 04:13 PM

When did she lying about the dreams? And you'd have to ask her that.
She said, "That would be the plan" or something alike when asked if the seer had dreamed of Shasta and me.

Personally I always thought it might also have referred to some other post but ah well.

And yes Cab I've confessed because it's more fun than trying to convince everyone I'm innocent when I won't be believed anyway.

However I'd like to point out that my comment regarding Gwath's death was not a confession or a slip - I was perfectly aware of how it might be interpreted, but didn't honestly think there would be such a fuss about it (and that I'd have to explain it dozens of times without anyone listening to me). Thanks Fea! :p

Also, Mr Bridegroom, good job killing Green. It made me happy. :)

I suppose we can still win this. :cool:

McCaber

05-25-2009, 04:30 PM

Agan, thank you for going this way. It's so much more fun then when a wolf only protests his innocence. And either way I'd ignore every word you say that didn't amuse me.

So I don't think I'll be changing my vote anytime soon. People I'm going to be looking at in closer detail: obviously Mira and Izzy; and also tp, Eomer, and Fea. I haven't paid them enough attention this game, and I feel it's time to do some trademark brilliant analysis.

(I'm not sure who's trademark it is yet, though. I'll burn that bridge when I come to it.)

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 04:35 PM

You're welcome. :)

The bad thing is that the seer decided to reveal just before my first exam. If she had done it like a couple of days ago I might have studied more (but who cares? I don't really even want to study English literature), or if she had not done it now we'd have had more time and could have won earlier.

Mirandir

05-25-2009, 04:35 PM

All righty well it is bed time for little Miras.

++Aganzir

I think we all know why by this point. :p

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 04:36 PM

Couldn't you be consistent and vote for Fea? I'd so much like to be around! :(

Aganzir

05-25-2009, 04:49 PM

Anyway going to sleep.

++ISABELLKYA

She sort of deserves it.

Inziladun

05-25-2009, 04:51 PM

Depending on what, if anything Izzy has to say, I'll likely be for Agan myself. If she does reveal herself to be a grotesque, misshapen dwarf, I then have to figure out if I think Mira and Izzy are really what they say, or if it's a plan by baddies to take out one of their number who is under the gun (or the rope) already.

Kath

05-25-2009, 05:43 PM

OK, so, I'm getting where the suspicion of Agan is coming from, I'm just not entirely convinced it isn't something of a mistranslation. For all that our Finnish friends are amazing with their English it is still their second (third?) language.

That said, her responses to it haven't seemed very defensive. She suddenly went under a huge amount of suspicion from a few sides and yet she seems to be taking it all as a joke but just mentioning that she's cross about it. It's annoying to suspect her for that because usually I'm more worried about those who are overly defensive but if Agan was as tired as she said and just basically anyone under that much suspicion if it really is out of the blue to them should be more defensive and surprised. But then her later posts have become defensive so she's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't there.

Um, sorry I'm sleepy here. 2pm is a really bad deadline for me as it turns out. What else was I thinking?

Oh yes, the interesting case of Izzy. So yesterDay she arrives, says she's had an epiphany, says Agan and Shasta are baddies and that she knows this because she's the Ranger and has been dreamt of by the Seer but then says that Agan and Shasta have NOT been dreamt of. Shasta is lynched and turns out to be innocent. What the heck is going on? Then re-mentions her epiphany toDay but STILL doesn't say what it actually was. Retains her suspicion of Agan.

Now, I see a couple of options here. Agan and Izzy are both wolves and this is a plot to try and make us believe that if we lynch one of them the other must then be innocent. Or Izzy is a wolf and is seeing how far a reveal can take her. That seems more unlikely because surely after the mess up yesterDay and with the way things are looking toDay the real Ranger would say something if that were the case before we lose any more innocents. Or of course Izzy is telling the truth and is the Ranger but the Seer hasn't dreamt of Agan and thus Izzy doesn't know more than the rest of us. Given yesterDay's events I think it unlikely that if Izzy is the Ranger that Agan would not have been dreamt of by now and so if we are going to believe Izzy's claim ... only option really is to lynch Agan.

Wait whoa. Missed Mira's reveal entirely! Well that makes everything above entirely redundant really! :rolleyes: I am choosing to believe Mira and Izzy right now. That said I have no doubt that the two of them could be wolves and have come up with this marvellous plot. But then I'm cynical. And I'm going to bed.

++AGAN

the phantom

05-25-2009, 05:56 PM

Okay, I haven't read half of the stuff from the past few hours, but I DID see where Mira said "I'm the Seer, and Izzy was telling the truth".

Now, if her story is true, then they already knew about Fea yesterday. Then WHY WHY WHY did you suggest lynching Shasta or Agan, whom you DID NOT KNOW about, if we already had a flippin baddie in the bag!!

I mean, come on! :rolleyes:

Were you trying to make sure the baddies had a better shot of winning?

Isabellkya

05-25-2009, 05:57 PM

++ Aganzir

Because she is Rumpelstiltskinashgfhgh.

If you desire a further explanation than that, refer to my previous posts about her Nefarious behavior. Or perhaps, just read up on Rumpelstiltskinsahhf stories.

The End.

Now I will go back and catch up on the four pages I just skimmed through.

Well, with that out in the open.

What grouping do we have.

Fea + Aganzir. Absolutely. Ugly Stepsister and Rumpelstiltskin.
The other two?
I was thinking Greenie and Eomer, but since Greenie was just slaughtered by the nasty Bridegroom... kind of throws that out the window.

Hmm.

Eomer and Zil perhaps?
Nerwen the Bridegroom?

I don't think it should be too difficult to find the others.

Isabellkya

05-25-2009, 06:03 PM

Inziladun

05-25-2009, 06:13 PM

Ok, Izzy. Your suspicion of me is misplaced, but I'm not going to vote for you based on that. When I see how this turns out tomorrow, I'll decide whether or not to trust you and Mira. Until then you're both on probation.

++ Agan

Feanor of the Peredhil

05-25-2009, 06:16 PM

I was planning on revealing that Fea was the Ugly Stepsister, but with a weak case it would pretty much point to Mira as the Seer. Or the Ranger, if people had been paying attention.

The longer the Seer hides, the better our chances are of bagging more baddies.

Uh huh.

You know what? I was paying attention. All game. And did quite well for us, I must say.

Aganzir is, of course a wolf. Why lie? (Last night.)

But when I said Izzy was more dangerous... Well, that's not a lie either. (Night before last; I didn't want to have to reveal to kill her... I'd hoped the village would see her laughable bluff as the Ranger ("I'm in contact with the Seer. These two are obviously guilty. Kill, kill! Oh, he's innocent? Oh wait, I never said they were dreamed of...") and take her out without losing me my anonymity.)

This neat little scheme cooked up between her and Mira clinches that Mira's on their side. If I didn't know for certain, I'd never have believed the wolves could possibly be so brazen. Three wolves in a shouting match. I don't know Mira's role for sure, not having checked, but I know exactly what role she isn't, and if she wasn't evil, she wouldn't be on Izzy's side, I'll tell you that.

The phantom is the Bridegroom (Night before Izzy). I didn't bother attacking him because he's listed as an innocent in the tally. I also didn't want him plotting against me. Since he didn't seem to be helping or harming the village, apart from seeking out one player...

I would have much preferred to stay quiet, but really? I don't want to have to try to change everybody's minds at the end of the Day, causing some horrible last minute rush of confused votes.

I am the Seer.

I have dreamed of Agan and Izzy, who are, respectively, Rumple and BBW. Also of the phantom, who is the Bridegroom. I always dream of him. I like to know who he is. Agan was coming across as suspicious, so I checked. Izzy is someone I can never get a read of. After that Werebear incident in that one recent game... I don't take chances with her.

--Aganzir

++Izzy

They're both wolves, but Izzy's more important to kill, since she has the power to turn Little Red Cap if Red's still alive.

I'd rather take out one bad guy and the potential for another rather than taking out simply one.

Feanor of the Peredhil

05-25-2009, 06:19 PM

Oh good grief, I forgot to list my first dream. It didn't matter anyway: Boro. We know what he was.

Lariren Shadow

05-25-2009, 06:24 PM

As far as if I believe Mira or not…I’m inclined to think she is telling the truth. And her votes, well she has also had the problem of not being around enough. And if she knew that Fea was guilty then what proof could she have? Fea hasn’t been saying a lot, at least that I’ve noticed, this game. Nothing much to build a case with. But there was enough to build a case with Agan and such so knowing her role would have been good. Not going to lie, knowing Mira she would have dreamed of Izzy after Izzy attacked her. So it makes more sense.

We also know that three ordos are dead. There were only five people who got just ordo as their role, with one of them being Little Red. Odds are we might have got Little Red, but won’t know. But I’m not the one to ask about odds, apparently Nerwen is.

Nerwen: I’m not sure what to think of her latching on to the whole fact that Lommy was after Shasta after Lommy died. She seems to really go for that fact in that a wolf got scared and killed Lommy that night. I’m trying to think of a good way to phrase this. Its basically setting off alarm bells in my head. Knowing that Shasta was innocent and that it was based off of a Day 1 suspicion makes me think that this was a kill the wolves knew could be blamed on someone else.

Eomer: Still not sure what to think of him. He has some things to say but not a lot.

Agan: On page 1 in post she said she didn’t like Hansel and Gretel. I know even baddies leave clues but this one is interesting to say the least. And that sentence was written before Mira reveled and making it seem like I could have found something. I have been looking at Agan and thinking her guilty.

McCaber: I also have no idea about him.

Izzy: Well, believing Mira makes her the Ranger.

Mira: See above for your whole thing. But again, knowing you, you would have totally dreamed of Izzy to find out her role after she attacked you.

Gaurcrist: So I decided to google your name. Twas interesting what I found.

Kath: I think she’s more innocent than not. Especially after last post.

Inziladun: I really have no idea about him either. Or what nickname to use. He hasn’t been saying much either, but been a constant presence like Eomer.

Fea: I have been inclined to think her guilty for awhile. Mostly because of her lack of voice and lack of saying things. And what she has been saying has been more…well not like her. I know it could be said it was stress and such but even when she posts its not a lot. She also hasn’t really had specific little side conversations in this game. I don’t know why, I’ve been expecting her to talk to the phantom the whole time and she hasn’t. Its been setting off a warning in my mind this whole time and with the choice to believe Mira it makes a lot more sense.

Lari: Has epically failed playing this game.

the phantom: Thanks for wanting to lynch me for being ill. Says a lot. Can be helpful, seems to want me dead a lot. I AM TO PLAYING. Anyway, I digress. I’ve never, I think, played with him when he is evil. From the way he is playing and his annoyance (which I know could be whole heartedly fabricated) he seems rather more innocent. He wants people to speak up and play, at least me. I mean, well, it could be because in last game I was silent vampire baddie and he was trying to get me to speak to know what was going on. I can see that. Not sure if he could be the cobbler or not but I would like to think he’s not a wolf.

So in short:

Guilty:
Agan
Fea
Nerwen

Probably not guilty:
the phantom

Have a good feeling they are not guilty:
Kath

Innocent:
Mira
Izzy

No idea:
Eomer
Inziladun
McCaber
Gaurcrist

the phantom

05-25-2009, 07:53 PM

I had a wee bit of success early on getting people turned towards Izzy, but it seems the case has met a brick wall now. Of course, the Seer had to reveal to make it happen. *snicker*

And Greenie- sorry, but no one likes a princess. So stuck up and sing-songy.

But here's the thing that's going to eat at you- surely you can't lynch me, and surely the Seer won't waste a dream on me, for it's obvious what I am. Right? Right?

But wait! Isn't it possible that I'm faking it? Oooo..... Think about that.

The baddies know what I am for sure. If I'm the RB, the pack knows it. If I'm a pack member, the RB knows it and can help me out and take my place in the lynch. So really, I think that's all there is to say.

Oh, except- love you Fea and Agan! *blows kisses*

Nerwen

05-25-2009, 08:07 PM

Back. Reading.

Nerwen

05-25-2009, 08:47 PM

Ahhh.... competing reveals... makes me nostalgic for Rikae.

Nerwen

05-25-2009, 09:16 PM

Well, now. Of our Seer candidates, I'm a fair bit more inclined to bet on Fea than Mira... Fea has just seemed a lot more innocent throughout, plus I'm having trouble believing Izzy's the Ranger.

They're both wolves, but Izzy's more important to kill, since she has the power to turn Little Red Cap if Red's still alive.

Yes, but Agan has actually confessed now. I mean, you know whether you're telling the truth or not... the village doesn't.

It's the usual problem: both "Seers" agree on one wolf... do you go for the safe bet, which doesn't give you any information about who the real Seer is, or one of the other names, and risk lynching an innocent?

Nerwen

05-25-2009, 09:42 PM

So, if the phantom's the RB, what is Gaurcrist?

Because he's secretly the phantom, playing against himself for laughs.

I wonder if you're right. Or, even if he's not tp cheating, is he another Downer's sock-puppet? Seriously. I mean, the "naive" questions toDay, like "what does it mean that someone has been dreamed?"... that can't be for real, surely?:confused:

Anyway–

++Aganzir.

If we kill her, we still won't know who the real Seer is toMorrow, unless she's Night-killed... but I'm afraid I'm just not game to take a shot in the dark right now. We need to get a wolf.

Nerwen

05-25-2009, 09:45 PM

Hmmn. I'm getting sick of talking to myself now.

Back later.

Isabellkya

05-25-2009, 09:45 PM

Rofl.

Nerwen you are such a wolf it is ridiculous.
Otherwise you wouldn't latch on to the crap for brains scheme Fea just mentioned.

No, I'm only more important to kill in your eyes - because I can stop your kills.

Hunter, I strongly advise you.

Fea is the Ugly Stepsister.
Aganzir is Rumplie.

The End.

I'll explain why Fea has failed.

Four dreams you say, on Boro, Izzy, Agan, and phantom?

Shall I point out, how you are wrong - and NOT paying attention. Or would you prefer to do it yourself?

If you are going to bluff and fake claim - you might want to atleast try to get all of the details correct. ;)

X'd with Nerwen x2.

Isabellkya

05-25-2009, 10:47 PM

Okay. Replying to questions and comments which deem answering. As some have already been answered by other things.

As I've said before phantom. I never said they were dreamed of. I said, not yet. Nor did I imply that they were dreamed of. I thought them both foul, and probable baddies. If I had chosen Aganzir over Shasta with my voting choice, you wouldn't even be whining and griping about it. Actually, you probably would - since you don't have the village's best interest in mind. Though if I had chosen Aganzir over Shatsa you baddies wouldn't of saved me, to look better in the villages eyes. You would've save your mate in crime. Then gone 'oops, did we do that?'

Explain my behavior, Agan? As in earlier toDay, when I was around for maybe.. fifteen minutes? I do believe I stated I would be returning.
Though continue on with it.. trying to discount me towards the village is quite entertaining. As your only "sure fire" way of getting rid of me is by lynching, since obviously no one can protect themselves or another from the noose.

Thoughts on Gwath eh? You thought he was the Seer and I the Ranger. My saying you were Foul, and not dreamed of yet - scared you. So you killed him, thinking you'd get him before he got you. Thinking you could explain it away. But the wavering from multiple people. One second acknowledging I am the Ranger, through statements and behaviours. the next trying to discount me. You can't really have it both ways. Looks to me, like a bit of scrambling is going on in the Nefarious Camp.

Phantom, go for it. Cast the first stone. Other wise you aren't helping much. Baddie hunters shouldn't be so terrified to throw their suspicions at their suspect. Baddies sit back, waiting to make their move. Which is exactly what you are doing. You are trying to get others to do the dirty work for you, so you can just hop on it saying.. "Ya! Me too!' - while keeping your hands relatively clean. Perhaps a pitchfork would be more appropriate for you.

Posing as a gifted? Rofl. Refer to earlier statements.

Aganzir has a new hobby. [Gone Fishin'! For Invisible Gifteds!]

Hahaha. Nice way to put the baddie tally before the innocents. When usually it is innocents: baddies.

I've been a Gifted since I received my role.

Zil really. I said I would be away all day. I can't possibly read the thread and make replies if I'm in the middle of a forest, with no internet connection - let alone a computer. I suppose I could've tried morse code on my GPS, or somehow mentally forced my phone to get a signal.. and tried to check the thread via my phone.

Refer to earlier statements about dream lying. I can't lie about something, if I never said anything about it in the first place. If I never say the sun is green, and always say the sun is blue. I can't be accused of lying about what color the sun is. Get it?

How was Shasta a known innocent Zil? Would that be a slip I see? He is a known innocent, because he isn't one of your wolfy mates?

Such word twisting, when you can go back and look at what was said. *eye rolling*

Rofl @ Zil. When Agan turns out to be Rumplie. you are going to look quite foolish, for not taking us seriously.

My epiphany, since Kath seems to be the only one wondering what it was.

I thought the nefarious creatures were: Fea, Aganzir, Greenie, and Shasta.

Fea, because I already knew she was evil.
Shasta, I thought because his behaviour was pretty foul. Plus, he didn't vote for Fea the day Mith was lynched. The only one on the block he suspected, and he doesn't vote for her?
Aganzir goes and votes for me, saying my case on Shatsa is weird; and twisting a statement made in reference to Boro and Eomer. Which I thought, huh. She was alright with lynching him for damage limitation; then suddenly drops suspicion on him? Really, mates so obvious?
Greenie - purely gut feeling really; though her spot in the pack was mostly left open, since I kind of thought about Eomer fitting in there quite nicely.

Which is why I died laughing and said it couldn't possibly be that easy.

*dances in the reign of her probation*

Isabellkya

05-25-2009, 10:48 PM

Whups, correction.

*dances in the confines of her probation*

:D

Nerwen

05-25-2009, 11:06 PM

Okay, back again.

*is exasperated*

Izzy, if you really are the Ranger, you might want to try and sound less, you know, evil?:rolleyes:

It's not like I totally believe Fea– after all, if she's a wolf she has nothing to lose by doing a false reveal. I've been trying to look at your posts from the point of view that they're written by a good guy... and still I'm finding it pretty hard to buy into. I remember you being the Ranger in a past game, and you certain didn't carry on like this.

Nerwen

05-25-2009, 11:15 PM

Izzy– by your and Mira's account, you already knew a wolf (Fea) yesterDay, right?

So why didn't you say so– instead of pointing the finger at two (then) unknowns?

Isabellkya

05-26-2009, 12:30 AM

Simple answer to that Phantom.

Mira had already voted Fea and made her case against her.

I was planning on revealing that Fea was the Ugly Stepsister, but with a weak case it would pretty much point to Mira as the Seer. Or the Ranger, if people had been paying attention.

The longer the Seer hides, the better our chances are of bagging more baddies.

So, it was kind of like being stuck in between a rock and a hard place.

Was I wrong about Shasta? Yes. But I was going on his behavior, and it smelled foul to me.

I didn't imply or claim the either of them had been dreamed of. I merely said that I had an epiphany. Big difference. We can argue semantics all day.

But the point to this entire story toDay is - Fea and Aganzir are nasty baddies. Did you not see how Fea pretty much threw Aganzir under the bus, right out of the gate. Nor Aganzir's comments? Nor Aganzir's vote for me?

Here is where I explained it to phantom, Nerwen.

I try to do each game different. I noticed that in past games, I'm quite frequently labeled a submarine - even when I do crazy things. Apparently it is in my genetic make-up and there is no avoidance.

If I were to act the exact same way every time I got a specific role, people would pick up on it - and be able to spot me easily.

So this game, I decided to play totally off my rocker and have complete fun with it. Though I mostly stopped after the second Day.

However at this point, I've no qualms with being super direct and perhaps jugular and candid in what I say. It is time to act. We've got two known baddies on our plate - no questions, ifs, ands, or buts about it.

It is entirely each players choice whether or not they choose to believe Mira and Izzy. I can completely understand the reasoning for not wanting to believe me, because of my behavior and actions yesterDay. However, they were done with the best interest of the village in mind. Sure, they probably weren't the best choices made. But I don't claim to be all knowing, or all powerful. I simply try to do the best with what I have, and get the best outcome for the village. As in my previous post regarding knowing Fea was a baddie yesterDay. At first I was all for getting Fea lynched, because she was a known baddie. However as the Day progressed I didn't think it a wise decision to out her, as it would most certainly point directly to the seer. These suspicions and worries in my mind are solidified, seeing how the Nefarious Camp went after Gwath under suspicion of Seership.

Lariren Shadow

05-26-2009, 12:33 AM

Izzy– by your and Mira's account, you already knew a wolf (Fea) yesterDay, right?

So why didn't you say so– instead of pointing the finger at two (then) unknowns?

Though I'm neither of them I feel like I should point out that yesterDay Mira did try to make a case against Fea, but it was weak and there was nothing much there. Fea has been playing smart and safe so any case against her is weak.

All right I have no idea when deadline is at the moment other than a time I would rather be in bed in the morning. So my vote is going out for

++Agan

Which she is a wolf.

Though there is the whole idea that both Fea and Mira are wolves and are throwing Agan under the bus to see if they can change Little Red toNight because they might know who "she" is.

Isabellkya

05-26-2009, 12:33 AM

Another thought.

Who is more likely to fake reveal, and come up with such a scheme?

Mira and Izzy. Or Fea and Aganzir?

X'd with Lari.

Feanor of the Peredhil

05-26-2009, 12:36 AM

I love you too, my darling phantom, and would happily spend hours and hours worshiping you and catering to your nearly-every whim, if only we were closer in distance...

But you well know, my dear, that love really doesn't preclude the necessity to destroy. Knowing you're our resident Robber Bridegroom means I can't love you forever and ever, just until it's time to kill you.

I know you understand... You'd do the same for me...

Izzy: you failed. Your bluff left you vulnerable, and your lies, well performed though they are, are just lies. You ruined your ruse when your guess - Shasta - wasn't the role you'd pegged him for. Sucks when you guess and you're wrong, doesn't it? Your act would have been so solid if you'd aimed for Agan instead of Shasta... who could have called you on it but me, if you nailed a bad guy for the village? You could have drawn out the real seer for your wolves to kill at Night. But instead, you placed all your hopes on the attempted lynching of someone who wasn't what you expected. Must have crushed you inside to get so, sooooo close...

I don't care who goes: either Agan or Izzy. Both are evil, so either one's a solid option.

I just much prefer that the village remove Izzy, as killing her takes away the chance that we wake up with a replacement Baddie in the morning.

I hope LRC is dead already, but I don't want to chance it.

Isabellkya

05-26-2009, 12:40 AM

You only want me dead Fea, because I can stop your kills.

When did you dream of "your ranger" Fea?

Feanor of the Peredhil

05-26-2009, 12:47 AM

When did you dream of "your ranger" Fea?

Given that I dreamed of Agan (Rumple), you (BBW), phantom (RB), and Boro (dead lover), I should think it would go without saying that I didn't dream of my Ranger.

Or did your poor performance as a fake Ranger impair your ability to read? :rolleyes:

I'm running out of options, so it's not hard to guess who my Ranger and Hunter are. But as of right now, we're not in communication.

Dare I say it?

Yes... I dare.

Duh.

Feanor of the Peredhil

05-26-2009, 12:54 AM

Side note: say for a moment that Mira actually was the Seer and I actually was a baddie.

She was building (terrible) cases against me. Do you really think for one second that I'd ignore her for days and kill Lommy, Boro, and Gwath of all people instead of her?

Her cases are weak because they're manufactured.

I mean seriously. I'm kind of offended. Does anybody actually think, if I was a wolf and she was the seer, that I wouldn't know? That I'd just leave her alive to discover my fellows and get us killed? That if I was a wolf and she was a seer obviously on my tail, that I'd leave her alive to find my cohorts and kill us all? Yeah right.

That being said, she's a filthy liar (though I adore her in RL and can't wait for her to get home) with an almost-clever plan and a few devoted henchmen.

I must say, I never did think I'd run across a pack of wolves so brazen.

Isabellkya

05-26-2009, 12:56 AM

Sorry Nerwen, I'm going to take your Captain Village Obvious title for a moment.

The villagers watched this tragic sight with their mouths gaping open. Then one by one they bowed their heads at the scene and then left the room. The Fairy Godmother held back and slowly slipped a letter into the hand of the wielder of the looking glass. He took it and slipped it into his pocket. As they walked out their eyes met quickly and they were both grateful to have a new ally, especially after the terrible scene they had just witnessed.

Care to try again?

X'd with Fea.

Nerwen

05-26-2009, 12:56 AM

Given that I dreamed of Agan (Rumple), you (BBW), phantom (RB), and Boro (dead lover), I should think it would go without saying that I didn't dream of my Ranger.

What! It is you, after all!

EDIT:X'd with Izzy.

Nerwen

05-26-2009, 12:59 AM

Izzy and Mira, my apologies. Seems you guys are telling the truth.

Isabellkya

05-26-2009, 01:10 AM

What do you mean by your #677 Nerwen?
I don't seem to be getting what you are referring to precisely.

Nerwen

05-26-2009, 01:17 AM

What do you mean by your #677 Nerwen?
I don't seem to be getting what you are referring to precisely.

Isn't it obvious? She says she hasn't dreamed of the Ranger... but the narration said the Seer and Ranger have found each other. So she's lying = bad.

I should have realized that earlier.

If there's something I'm missing here... well, I just don't seem to be firing on all cylinders right toDay. (Short of sleep and a major project due in a couple of days.)

Nerwen

05-26-2009, 01:21 AM

Oh no, wait.

It says the Fairy Godmother (Ranger) slipped a note to the Wielder of the Looking Glass (Seer).

Hang on, I need to check the rules.

Isabellkya

05-26-2009, 01:28 AM

I wasn't sure of what you were referring to in her post. Since she said whom she "dreamed" of a number of hours ago; so it was basically just a repeat. Save for her actually committing to the statement that she hasn't "dreamed' of "her ranger".

X'd with Nerwen.

Nerwen

05-26-2009, 01:31 AM

All right, I checked. So, that's right: the only way the Ranger and Seer can find each other is via Seer-dream (i.e. the narration has it the wrong way around.)

Nerwen

05-26-2009, 01:33 AM

Inziladun

05-26-2009, 04:11 AM

How was Shasta a known innocent Zil? Would that be a slip I see? He is a known innocent, because he isn't one of your wolfy mates?

Nothing of the kind. He is a known innocent now.

Rofl @ Zil. When Agan turns out to be Rumplie. you are going to look quite foolish, for not taking us seriously.

If that turns out to be the case, I'll certainly be inclined to believe you. I already said I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt for the moment, so I don't see what your problem is.

Eomer of the Rohirrim

05-26-2009, 05:55 AM

Ack. I can't play too much. Storm last night caused major havoc and delays today (it was a real beauty) so I have to get all my work crammed into shorter period of time. No luxury of office-Werewolf today.

Not that it matters too much: I can see no argument for not lynching Aganzir today and so I can look over things more carefully in the night.

I'll be back to vote, don't worry.

the phantom

05-26-2009, 05:59 AM

So everyone is voting the same person? How boring. Meh.... everyone else is doing it....

++Agan

Die with honor, milady. If anyone is ready for death, I'm sure it's you, for your motto has always been "Be Prepared". Plus, you've ever known how the "Circle of Life" works.

And now Fea and I will perform "Can You Feel the Love Tonight".

Eomer of the Rohirrim

05-26-2009, 06:41 AM

++AGANZIR

wilwarin538

05-26-2009, 07:31 AM

I need to leave for work a tad earlier then usual, so if there are no objections I'd like to start the narration now (since it's kinda obvious who it'll be) and probably put it up about 10-15 minutes early.

Aganzir

05-26-2009, 07:34 AM

Hello bunnies.

I don't think it should be too difficult to find the others.
I think. I trust their ability to hide perfectly. :)

On page 1 in post she said she didn’t like Hansel and Gretel.
Ah it had nothing to do with my role, it's just how I am really. I hate that fairytale. Eww.

Die with honor, milady. If anyone is ready for death, I'm sure it's you, for your motto has always been "Be Prepared". Plus, you've ever known how the "Circle of Life" works.
Thank you. :)
Will you look after my lions when I am gone?

(And wilwa, they love me absolutely and wouldn't even dream of attacking me, regardless of whether I'm in my Rumplie form or not, so don't even plan for me any eaten by lions death! :p)

edit: xed with wilwa. Go ahead and make it good! Remember, I am the only moral character. ;-)

Gaurcrist

05-26-2009, 07:44 AM

Or, even if he's not tp cheating, is he another Downer's sock-puppet?

Awwwwww, you caught me. Yes, I am tp, and I admit I broke the rules, so it looks like I have to be lynched.

Aganzir

05-26-2009, 07:54 AM

So Gaurcrist and Fea were the only people who didn't vote for me?

Aww I like you. :)

Feanor of the Peredhil

05-26-2009, 07:58 AM

You should also all remember that wilwa swore there would be no real hints in the narration.

wilwarin538

05-26-2009, 07:58 AM

(And wilwa, they love me absolutely and wouldn't even dream of attacking me, regardless of whether I'm in my Rumplie form or not, so don't even plan for me any eaten by lions death!)

edit: xed with wilwa. Go ahead and make it good! Remember, I am the only moral character.

Am I that predictable??? :rolleyes:

Sorry, already wrote it....I'll make it up to you in the final narration, your spirit can come back in some form and do something awesome. ;)

How could I pass up a death with lions??? :D Narration up in too seconds, I guess it won't really be early.

wilwarin538

05-26-2009, 07:59 AM

You should also all remember that wilwa swore there would be no real hints in the narration.

No real hints towards people's specific roles I believe is what I said.

Aganzir

05-26-2009, 08:02 AM

in the final narration, your spirit can come back in some form and do something awesome. ;)
Sounds fair. :p

wilwarin538

05-26-2009, 08:04 AM

The sun began to set. The sky turned shades of pinks and orange. It was still a lovely day despite all the dying that was going on. There was some confusion, no one knew whether to believe Mira and Izzy or to believe Fea, but one thing they had agreed on was to lynch Agan.

"Hmm, so how should we do this?" Gaurcrist asked.

"Well, maybe we should let her giant lions take care of her!" Lari suggested, looking over at Agan's back yard. There was a large arena with 3 huge lions walking about.

"Hahaha, my lions love me, they would never hurt me!" Agan cried out trying to sound confident, but there was a tiny hint of fear in her voice.

"Well, they will if you're not the real Agan!" McCaber said, pointing a finger at her.

So they agreed and led Agan towards her own back yard. Phantom took the time to grab a long link of sausages and let them fall around her neck. "Just to make sure they're interested" he clarified when he got a few strange looks. They brought her closer and shoved her in, quickly closing the door bhind her. They all stood back and watched.

"It's ok kitties, I'm your master, you know me, don't hurt me please." Agan whispered to the lions, trying to stay calm. The three felines eyed her suspiciously but started to purr. She was their master after all. They drew closer to her and even ignored the sausage, starting to snuggle close to her. But the night was coming and the first thing that changed before her appearance would be her scent. The lions took a few sniffs and suddenly didn't recognise it any more, this scent was fowl, not their master. They eyed her suspiciously, looked at each other, and then they pounced.

There was a large mix of noise, some screaming mixed in with the snarling. The villagers all crouched behing the fence, only listening, too afraid to look. Then it grew quite.

One by one they peaked over the fence and looked in. It was quite a mess, and the cats were still chomping down on a few peices. But it became pretty obvious; that leg over there was way too short, and that arm over there looked more like a man's. She had indeed been Rumpelstiltskin.

They all began walking home, quite happy that they were finally making some progress. The three remaining baddies walked towards their usual meeting spot, slowly changing back to their real selves. They were one down, but they were not going to give up.

The dead:
Nienna - hung Day 1 - ordinary villager
Lommy – mauled Night 2 – ordinary villager
Mith - lynched Day 2 - Fair Maiden
Boro88 – yum, frog legs Night 3 – Frog-Prince
Sally – died of shear sorrow Night 3 - Princess
Shasta - shot by arrows Day 3 - ordinary villager
Gwath – defeated Night 4 – Prince Charming
Greenie – chopped up by the Robber Bridegroom middle of Day 4 - Cinderella
Aganzir - eaten by the kitties Day 4 - Rumpelstiltskin

The living:
Nerwen - bookmaker
Eomer - gravedigger
McCaber - humble shopkeeper
Izzy - baker
Mira - apothocary
Gaurcrist - blacksmith
Kath - restaurant owner
Inziladun - shruberrer's apprentice
Fea - Storyteller
Lari - fortune teller
the phantom - the crazy book liberator

It is now Night 5. No more posting. Names please.

P.S. Sorry Agan! Don't have time for a re-write. I'll make it up to you. ;)

Feanor of the Peredhil

05-26-2009, 08:05 AM

No real hints towards people's specific roles I believe is what I said.

You know, it's way uncool when the mod thwarts somebody's hard work for no good reason.

wilwarin538

05-27-2009, 07:59 AM

It was a dark night, darker than most, with barely any stars. The Big Bad Wolf walked first into the Old Witch’s little home and was then followed by the Ugly Stepsister. They sat there for a time, just staring at each other in shock.

“Well, at least it wasn’t me.” The Stepsister said selfishly, looking away and fixing the black ribbon in her hair. “We’ve had our moments of silence for the little cretin. Can we get on with it now?”

“Yes. We can.” The Old Witch said as she stopped pacing and sat down as well. “Who shall it be?”

“Well, I think it’s pretty obvious.” The Big Bad Wolf snarled. He looked at the Ugly Stepsister and asked slyly “Would you like to do the honours tonight?”

She sat there with a small smile on her face and adjusted her ribbon once again. “Happily.” She said before stepping out of the little home and into the night.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

The Fairy Godmother sat in her treetop once again, snacking on some small pastries. She was reading a letter given to her by the wielder of the looking glass and was writing two copies of a reply. She was very hopeful, for not only had they gotten their first evil doer, but she and the wielder had a new ally in the Huntsman. Things were finally looking as if they could go well. Suddenly she heard some rustling in the bushes below, and she knew what was coming. She used her magic to send off the two finished letters. Then she waited.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

The villagers awoke to the first gloomy morning in a long time. They all gathered yet again in the town square, all knowing that something quite terrible must have happened that night. After a quick glance it became obvious who was missing.

They began walking around checking the usual spots. This missing villager was nowhere to be seen. They kept walking and searching. Then finally someone spotted something.

“Look! There’s someone up in that old tree.” Inziladun pointed as the rest of the village gathered around him. They took a closer look and it became obvious it was who they were looking for. For a few minutes they thought perhaps she was just sleeping, but then they saw the bluish tint of her skin. They looked over her, trying to figure out how she had died.

“That ribbon, around her neck.” Lari pointed out. “It must have been used to strangle her.”

The villagers nodded and were about to leave when they spotted a scrap of paper on the ground. Kath picked it up and looked closely. “All I can read is Dear Fairy Godmother.”

They all gasped. This had been the one who had sent them that letter with Wilwarin that first day. The one who had been trying to protect them. They all took one final glance at her and then finally turned to leave. The relief from their previous Day’s victory was gone.

Eomer stayed behind once again with his handy shovel. “Poor Izzy.” He said before getting to work.

The dead:
Nienna - hung Day 1 - ordinary villager
Lommy – mauled Night 2 – ordinary villager
Mith - lynched Day 2 - Fair Maiden
Boro88 – yum, frog legs Night 3 – Frog-Prince
Sally – died of shear sorrow Night 3 - Princess
Shasta - shot by arrows Day 3 - ordinary villager
Gwath – defeated Night 4 – Prince Charming
Greenie – chopped up by the Robber Bridegroom middle of Day 4 - Cinderella
Aganzir - eaten by the kitties Day 4 – Rumpelstiltskin
Izzy – strangled Night 5 – Fairy Godmother

The living:
Nerwen - bookmaker
Eomer - gravedigger
McCaber - humble shopkeeper
Mira - apothocary
Gaurcrist - blacksmith
Kath - restaurant owner
Inziladun - shruberrer's apprentice
Fea - Storyteller
Lari - fortune teller
the phantom - the crazy book liberator

Now Day 5. You may discuss.

Eomer of the Rohirrim

05-27-2009, 08:02 AM

Should be an easy one today. :p

Inziladun

05-27-2009, 08:23 AM

Should be an easy one today. :p

I should say so. Feawolf made a good try with the 'I'm the real seer' bit, but neglected to pay attention to detail. A small oversight, but it proved fatal. Small oversights often do.
At least there is now no doubt of Mira's credibility.
I hope her latest dream is a good one. We're finally making some headway.

Feanor of the Peredhil

05-27-2009, 08:52 AM

A small oversight, but it proved fatal. Small oversights often do.

Late nights and whiskey apparently destroy my usual thoroughness. A silly mistake.

But no worries. You have your Hunter, little Seer, but nobody to save you when they kill you tonight. Too bad you didn't dream of one more wolf. :p Now the very, very foolish village is all on its lonesome.

Bookmaker, where are you? I want to make some bets. :cool:

Eomer of the Rohirrim

05-27-2009, 09:10 AM

Gaurcrist for the phantom
Fea for Aganzir
McCaber for Aganzir
Mirandir for Aganzir
Aganzir for Izzy
Kath for Aganzir
Izzy for Aganzir
Inziladun for Aganzir
Fea --Aganzir and ++Izzy
Nerwen for Aganzir
Larien for Aganzir
tp for Aganzir
Eomer for Aganzir

But let's have a look at the older votes now that we have all sorts of information.

Eomer of the Rohirrim

05-27-2009, 09:33 AM

Votes Boromir (known innocent)

Likes 'whiskey' (whatever that is) and 'carefully chosen undergarments' - attention-seeker (and receiver). :p

Misses vote

Votes Izzy on Day 3, along with a list of thoughts (#499) Not sure if I can make anything of this list.

Turns on Aganzir (and votes her) but tries to set-up Izzy.

Claims phantom is the RB, while still claiming to be the seer.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Not a whole lot to go on, really. Could others please look at post #499 and see if anything hits them?

McCaber

05-27-2009, 09:54 AM

I suppose I shall start off the bandwagon. As if there was any doubt now,

++Fea

So we'll be down one wolf and one seer, and we're on our own for the last two. Ouch.

Nerwen

05-27-2009, 10:17 AM

Could others please look at post #499 and see if anything hits them?

I did, but it looks like she's trying to say as little as possible.

She says nothing definite at all about me, Kath, the phantom, Gaurcrist or Inziladun– literally nothing about Kath– unless you count her speculating that she was getting my posts confused with Izzy's and that I, not Izzy, was "the one that's been acting off her rocker".

And then (leaving aside people with known roles):

Caber - I've seen some of his votes look dodgy.

Eomer - Welcome back, brash darling. But I still want to know why Mith was so confident in you and so against Shasta. Apart from Shasta looking dodgy, I mean...

Lari - Ill. And since I have to bring her poor illness home after a long flight, I'll be nice to her. Besides: she hasn't done anything to make me feel like I need to lynch her anyway. She comes across as totally innocent (if not unGifted).

So we've got suspicion of McCaber, approval of Lari, suspicion-tinged approval for Eomer, and basically nothing to say about the rest.

Fea seems way too nice about Lari (who voted her for no reason, after all). But she could just have been trying to butter an innocent up.

So, not all that helpful. I don't really know what categories she would have filed the remaining wolves under– it's not like there's a rule.

EIDT:fixed quotes.
EDIT2:and punctuation.

Nerwen

05-27-2009, 10:21 AM

Anyway–

++Fea.

Goodnight.

Inziladun

05-27-2009, 10:24 AM

Not a whole lot to go on, really. Could others please look at post #499 and see if anything hits them?

Hmm.

She casts a bit of suspicion on Cab, saying his votes are 'dodgy'.

Asks Eomer why Mith trusted him. I still haven't figured that out.

Dismisses Gaur as a 'new kid'.

Said she forgot about Greenie totally. Could be read into, but then we know Greenie was innocent.

She wanted to know why Gwath was on about Agan. Fishing for information so as to avoid the same mistakes?

She says Izzy is lying and wants to kill her.

Says nothing whatsover about Kath. Hmm. Just couldn't think of anything to say?

About me, she didn't say much beyond my avvie being bright. At least they didn't kill me.

Unfortunately, I don't get much out of this right now. I am a bit curious as to why she left Kath out of her analysis, while everyone else at least got a mention.

Edit- x'd with Nerwen

the phantom

05-27-2009, 11:42 AM

Come on, Nerwen. We want odds!

Odds Hansel selected Fea for today: 1:1

Odds Gretel selected Mira for today: 1:1

Odds Hunter is hunting Fea now: 1:1

Odds we won't lynch Fea today: 74:1

Odds the Baddies won't kill Mira tonight: 265:1

Odds Guarcrist won't vote for me again: 5:1

Feanor of the Peredhil

05-27-2009, 11:53 AM

C'mon, Gaurcrist! Vote Phantom!

I Believe in Phantom Dent!

I mean...

No, wait...

Kill Mira! Kill her!

Or maybe we should kill Legate. :smokin:

Feanor of the Peredhil

05-27-2009, 11:54 AM

Plus plus LeFenceOpening!

Plus plus LeGardenEntrance!

Plus plus LeDoor!

Gaurcrist

05-27-2009, 12:15 PM

I don't know what to do. I'm thinking about voting tp again, just to be consistent, but Fea seems pretty suspicious. Well, I'll vote phantom and see if Fea gets lynched today. If she doesn't, I'll vote for her tomorrow.

++Phantom

Inziladun

05-27-2009, 12:36 PM

I'll go ahead and get this out of the way.

++ Fea

Kath

05-27-2009, 01:08 PM

So, easy Day I guess.

++FEA

Eomer of the Rohirrim

05-27-2009, 01:09 PM

I'm curious: Gaurcrist is either revealing as the RB or is wolvishly trying to mislead us, hoping we take the bait and not bother lynching him.

His behaviour is just not innocent.

Inziladun

05-27-2009, 01:28 PM

I'm curious: Gaurcrist is either revealing as the RB or is wolvishly trying to mislead us, hoping we take the bait and not bother lynching him.

His behaviour is just not innocent.

I don't know what his deal is. I thought tp's early challenge to him explained what I'm seeing, but I no longer think his actions justifiable.

Feanor of the Peredhil

05-27-2009, 01:31 PM

Didn't you know? Gaurcrist is secretly me!

Eomer of the Rohirrim

05-27-2009, 01:45 PM

The Huntsman: (hunter)
Hansel:
Gretel:
Little Red Cap:
Big Bad Wolf:
Old Witch:
Ugly Stepsister:
Robber Bridegroom:
+ 1 Ordinary Villager

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Nerwen
Eomer
McCaber
Gaurcrist
Kath
Inziladun
Fea
Lari
the phantom

Gaurcrist

05-27-2009, 01:51 PM

I'm curious: Gaurcrist is either revealing as the RB or is wolvishly trying to mislead us, hoping we take the bait and not bother lynching him.

Ha! As I said before, lynch me then. I'll be surprised if you do.

Gaurcrist

05-27-2009, 01:52 PM

Didn't you know? Gaurcrist is secretly me!

Haha! Nice one ;)

Inziladun

05-27-2009, 01:55 PM

Gaurcrist

05-27-2009, 01:58 PM

So, I would like everybody, if they want to, to say what they think I am. Am I

a) The Huntsman

b) Hansel

c) Gretel

d) Little Red Cap

e) Big Bad Wolf

f) Old Witch

g) Ugly Stepsister

h) Robber Bridegroom

i) Just a good old hearty villager

Gaurcrist

05-27-2009, 01:59 PM

If these are the remaining players, aren't you leaving someone out?

Who?

Inziladun

05-27-2009, 02:03 PM

I didn't see Mira on there. As far as I know, she's still with us.

Eomer of the Rohirrim

05-27-2009, 02:40 PM

I hope you realise, Gaurcrist, that if you are innocent you've done absolutely nothing to help the village. That's why I trust you are on the villains' side.

Eomer of the Rohirrim

05-27-2009, 02:41 PM

Mira's the Seer; I left Seer off the corresponding list too.

Mirandir

05-27-2009, 04:30 PM

Didn't you know? Gaurcrist is secretly me!

So he's you and phantom? Jeeeeze. :p

I didn't see Mira on there. As far as I know, she's still with us.

Yup! Didn't get rid of me just quite yet.

++Fea

Inziladun

05-27-2009, 04:41 PM

Mira! The reports of your demise have been greatly exaggerated. Any luck with your latest dream?

Mirandir

05-27-2009, 05:16 PM

Unless the rest of you can find the other two wolves, things won't go too well for us. My dream last night was a success, but not in that sense.

Feanor of the Peredhil

05-27-2009, 05:18 PM

Evil
My name is evil
I love my evil
Oh yes I do.

Evil
I am so evil
It makes me happy
To kill all of you.

Except my wooooooolves
who are evil too!

the phantom

05-27-2009, 05:19 PM

So he's you and phantom? Jeeeeze.
Ha! Not even close. Gaurcrist is actually....

The Barrow-Wight!! :eek:

Feanor of the Peredhil

05-27-2009, 05:28 PM

Whoa! :cool:

Mirandir

05-27-2009, 05:55 PM

Feanor of the Peredhil

05-27-2009, 05:56 PM

I think the first two people to claim they're Hansel and Gretel are definitely the wolves.

Lariren Shadow

05-27-2009, 06:03 PM

Thoughts as to Mira: how would we be able to tell who is really who? It could be a wolf trying to break through. And there is no real way to prove that they are not a wolf.

Who was your dream of last Night? I mean, was it anyone interesting?

Lariren Shadow

05-27-2009, 06:03 PM

And to make sure I do this before I possibly forget:

++Fea

the phantom

05-27-2009, 06:06 PM

Unfortunately the ranger is gone so we're down protection but I do have an idea. Hansel and Gretel should reveal toDay. This would identify two more non-wolves for the village and make the Huntsman's job easier. Thoughts on the matter?
Heck no! Everything is difficult enough for me without those two blasted children revealing. I want to lynch them. So stay hidden, kids, or I'll eat you in your beds.

Mirandir

05-27-2009, 06:42 PM

Oh my. It is very late. Seeing as how I'll probably be dead by toMorrow, good luck to the village! I've done what I can for you guys. :cool:

**This post doesn't count for any code. Explanation to come from someone other than myself**

Nerwen

05-27-2009, 08:13 PM

All right... the betting's open.

Who or what is Gaurcrist?

the phantom (4-1)

Fea (6-1)

Nilpaurion Felagund (5-1)

Sally (7-1)

Hookbill the Goomba (9-1)

The Barrow Wight (11-1)

Boromir88 (4-1)

Wilwa (6-1)

Legate (7-1)

Me (8-1)

Some other Downer (7-1)

An AI (12-1)

Something else (8-1)

And what is his role?

I don't know what to do. I'm thinking about voting tp again, just to be consistent, but Fea seems pretty suspicious.

No, really? What tipped you off?:Merisu:

And then, of course, he votes phantom again... instead of the known wolf!

So... I think this is getting a little beyond mere newbie-ness, don't you think?

The obvious explanation is that he's the Robber Bridegroom... but he could be a newbie wolf. I'm afraid that would probably fit best with his being LRC– perhaps turned the Night he double-quitted. (Unless the whole "quitting" thing was staged.)

Meanwhile, though, we've got this from the phantom:

Heck no! Everything is difficult enough for me without those two blasted children revealing. I want to lynch them. So stay hidden, kids, or I'll eat you in your beds.

Is this an official confession, tp?