WWLXII: Dead Men Do Tell Tales

[Rikae]

Izzy seems wasted

Truer words you have never spoken! Bwahaha! :D

[Macalaure]

Erm, I just meant to say that lynching her would be a waste of a lynch. *curses language* :o

[Nerwen]

--Gwath

++Izzy

Most obviously evil person, and though she looks more cobbler-ish, that might be deliberate.

[Nogrod]

Mac: A known innocent seems to have a strong case on her. I have not read most of the discussions on the last two Days and can't give you one myself. Maybe later if I have an interest and time to actually read things through.

Just asking... it's interesting to know why you make your decisions and how you do it. And requiring that from you alive-voters helps the general cause as you need to react to these beggings in one way or another.

Snapping back to a ghost isn't the best one I'd say... :smokin:

[Macalaure]

Heck.

--Kath

++Izzy

[Shastanis Althreduin]

...What the heck? Fools!

[Rikae]

Oh boy - I bet that is what she wants...

EDIT: I wasn't so much making a case against her (there's no need to) as bantering... I bet she's a cobbler...

EDIT 2: and the other is Greenie... Nerwen a wolf... with Mac and Kath...

[Nerwen]

Oh boy - I bet that is what she wants...

Quite possibly... but I wasn't so sure about Gwath anymore. I didn't know who else to pick.

[Nerwen]

EDIT 2: and the other is Greenie... Nerwen a wolf... with Mac and Kath...

Don't be silly.

[Brinniel]

Yeesh, all the last minute voting...makes it hard to count when I'm tired. I believe the lynch is Kath, but maybe someone should double check me on that. :rolleyes:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

It's still not enough, though. Kath had 3 votes before Izzy.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Nerwen - Gwath
Mith - Izzy
Lommy - Mac
Kath - Gwath
Izzy - Nerwen
Boro - Kath
Zil - Kath
Shasta - Kath
Mac - Kath
Nerwen - -Gwath, +Izzy
Mac - -Kath, +Izzy

Gwath 1, Izzy 1, Mac 1, Gwath 2, Nerwen 1, Kath 1, Kath 2, Kath 3, Kath 4, Gwath 0/Izzy 2, Kath 3/Izzy 3.

Kath is lynched.

[Brinniel]

It's Night again, btw. Though I should be stating the obvious.

I've given up on writing the Day narrations immediately following. It just gives me another excuse to stay up later than I already should. RL can be so annoying... :rolleyes:

[Nerwen]

You understand that I haven't had time to read the thread properly... so I still have no idea what the case against Kath was, apart from general submarinish-ness.

If there was a good case, Mac's jumping on my vote looks rather bad.

EDIT:X'd with the Captain.

[Brinniel]

Wit' th' death 'o a pair more overnight, th' number 'o th' crew had nearly split in half. Th' band 'o pirates were gettin' nervous now; wit' th' uncertainty 'o knowin' their mutineers, they could not help but fear that th' end was near.

By th' latter half 'o th' day, several crewmembers were feelin' uneasy 'bout Ham-Hands Izzy. Wit' her co-conspirator tendencies, she was becomin' a nuisance to many. 'An even though they couldn't confirm her alignment, some agreed it'd just be better to get her out 'o th' way now.
"Better we murder her than an innocent," said Almost-Blind Nerwen.
"But it be even better if we killed a mutineer," spoke Shark Tooth Shasta.
"Then why don't we murder Mac Sparrow?" piped up Lommy th' Infected enthusiastically.

But th' others ignored their quartermaster 'n agreed that Poop Deck Kath was lookin' far more aggressive than Ham-Hands Izzy.
"Cowerin' Gwath has be cowerin' away in his bunk fer a pair days now, yet she thinks it'd be right to murder him? Surely thar can be no jolly in thoughts like that," stated Boromir th' Malformed.
Majority 'o hands agreed she had to be off.
"I have a bad feelin' 'bout 'tis," sighed Mac Sparrow.

"No reason to use up all our energy killin' her. So why not just leave Poop Deck Kath to dry out on th' poop deck?" suggested Short Ruth Mith.
Shark Tooth Shasta grabbed hold 'o th' piper 'n chained her to th' floor 'o th' poop deck, her arms 'n legs spread apart. Once he was done, th' crew turned 'n went their separate ways. Thar they would leave Poop Deck Kath fer th' elements to take care 'o her. Th' remainin' sun was still quite steamin' 'n its rays burned into Kath's white skin.
"Guys, 'tis really be not fair," she cried as she sizzled on th' deck.
Luckily, Poop Deck Kath did not have to wait fer th' elements to take her because th' birds came first.

It was at first a small flock 'o seagulls circlin' overhead, but within a couple hours it became hundreds. Poop Deck Kath watched them, mesmerized by their numbers, 'n then her eyes widened in horror as th' circlin' came to a sudden halt 'n th' seagulls dove right at her. Lookin' fer a tasty treat, th' birds dug their beaks into her as Kath shrieked in terror. They pecked 'n pecked at her 'til they were tired 'n could feed no more. Th' sun was finally settin' as th' final seagulls flew off leavin' behind th' bloody mess 'o Kath. Not only was she bloody, but Poop Deck Kath was also covered in bird poo 'n feathers, th' poor lass.

"Ugh, I could really use a bath right 'bout now," sighed th' ghost 'o Kath. But th' best she could woe fer was a rain shower 'n unfortunately fer her, thar would not be one fer several more days.



The Living:

-Pirate Lommy the Infected ~ Quartermaster
-Gangrenous Inziladun Jones ~ Pilot
-Pirate Boromir the Malformed ~ Gunner
-Shark Tooth Shasta ~ First mate
-Snifflin’ Mac Sparrow ~ Cooper
-Almost-Blind Nerwen ~ Navigator/Sea Artist
-Cowerin' Gwath Slasher ~ Powder Monkey
-Ham-Hands Izzy ~ Striker
-Short Ruth Mithril ~ Cook
-Stinkin' Eön Bloodbeard ~ Powder Monkey


The Ghosted:

-Black Death Brinn ~ Captain ~ shish kabobed (mod)
-Slippery McCabbie Dagger ~ Boatswain ~ danced the hempen jig
-Lil' Green the Staggering Drunk ~ Powder Monkey ~ drank up all the rum
-Dancin' Mira Blythe ~ Striker ~ danced her way off the deck
-Whinin’ Eomer Bonny ~ Musician (Pur-loined Violin) ~ his pur-loined violin pur-loined him
-High-Pitched Annu ~ Surgeon ~ halved by her own saw
-Stutterin’ Wilwa Scab ~ Cook ~ gave her heart to Davy Jones
-Legless Sally Dawkins ~ Carpenter ~ was shark bait for a day
-Puffy Shirt Rikae ~ Cabin Boy ~ was never fond of pointy objects
-Pirate Nogrod the Fashionably Late ~ Gunner ~ had an unfriendly encounter with cold steel
-Poop Deck Kath ~ Musician (Pipe) ~ death by seagull

[satansaloser2005]

Wait. What?!

[Brinniel]

Durin' th' nightfall, th' aggressors prowled through th' ship, searchin' fer their next victim. They approached one 'o th' several bunks 'n upon seein' th' scurvy pirate thar sleepin' peacefully, they quickly decided 'tis would be th' chosen victim.
"He looks easy enough to murder," said one aggressor.
"'An I doubt anyone gunna expect him to be th' next to be off," said another.

'An so without further comment, they quickly gagged their victim 'n snatched him by th' wrists. Th' scurvy pirate struggled 'n cried out as th' mutineers dragged him up to th' deck, but once again no one could hear his muffled pleas fer help. When they finished, th' aggressors were quite satisfied. They stood admirin' their great work before runnin' off, snickerin'.

Th' followin' mornin', th' crew returned to th' top deck to discover Gangrenous Inziladun Jones at his usual post. He lay flopped over th' ship's steerin' wheel, his chest impaled by one 'o its spokes.
"Well, that be not a pretty sight at all," said Lommy th' Infected.
"Now how we ever supposed to navigate wit' Inziladun Jones in th' way?" wondered Almost-Blind Nerwen.
Th' crew teamed together to pry Inziladun from th' wheel, but wit' wee luck. He was indefinitely stuck.
"Don't worry 'bout it," th' dead pilot told th' others. "I may be impaled by me own wheel, but that dont mean I ain't still steer." He demonstrated fer th' crew.
"Eh, I suppose that gunna do," said Shark Tooth Shasta. "Wit' our diminishin' crew, we must take what we can get, 'n right now that be corpses."

So even as a ghost, Inziladun Jones remained th' pilot 'o th' Grey Gaurhoth, though from 'tis point ahead, th' ship sailed in a zigzag direction.



The Living:

-Pirate Lommy the Infected ~ Quartermaster
-Pirate Boromir the Malformed ~ Gunner
-Shark Tooth Shasta ~ First mate
-Snifflin’ Mac Sparrow ~ Cooper
-Almost-Blind Nerwen ~ Navigator/Sea Artist
-Cowerin' Gwath Slasher ~ Powder Monkey
-Ham-Hands Izzy ~ Striker
-Short Ruth Mithril ~ Cook
-Stinkin' Eön Bloodbeard ~ Powder Monkey


The Ghosted:

-Black Death Brinn ~ Captain ~ shish kabobed (mod)
-Slippery McCabbie Dagger ~ Boatswain ~ danced the hempen jig
-Lil' Green the Staggering Drunk ~ Powder Monkey ~ drank up all the rum
-Dancin' Mira Blythe ~ Striker ~ danced her way off the deck
-Whinin’ Eomer Bonny ~ Musician (Pur-loined Violin) ~ his pur-loined violin pur-loined him
-High-Pitched Annu ~ Surgeon ~ halved by her own saw
-Stutterin’ Wilwa Scab ~ Cook ~ gave her heart to Davy Jones
-Legless Sally Dawkins ~ Carpenter ~ was shark bait for a day
-Puffy Shirt Rikae ~ Cabin Boy ~ was never fond of pointy objects
-Pirate Nogrod the Fashionably Late ~ Gunner ~ had an unfriendly encounter with cold steel
-Poop Deck Kath ~ Musician (Pipe) ~ death by seagull
-Gangrenous Inziladun Jones ~ Pilot ~ was a little too attached to the wheel

Day 6 has begun. Now post.

[Brinniel]

Haha, you really should read the title of the post, Sally. I was just putting up a save for when I get the Day's narration done. :p

[satansaloser2005]

Haha, you really should read the title of the post, Sally. I was just putting up a save for when I get the Day's narration done. :p



Ahhhh. Whoops, sorry.

:Merisu:

[Nerwen]

Why Eönwë, of all people? YesterDay he made the most cobblerish post in the history of cobblery:

(Commenting on my listing the Night-kills as non-wolves):
That's a little bit presumptuous. You never know- they may have killed one of their own to mislead us on purpose.

EDIT: Oh, that's OK. I read the wrong list. He's still alive!

*slaps self*

[satansaloser2005]

Heh. I was about to say, Nerwen....:p


I had the same question though. Is that even possible? I mean if the mod's completely twisted in the head they might allow it but why would the pack do that? They might 'clear' one of their own but would lose that person's voting power, as well as the chance to get another innocent down. Makes no sense.

[Nerwen]

Right, Zil's dead.

EDIT:X'd with Sally.

[Nerwen]

Heh. I was about to say, Nerwen....:p

Yeah, I'm an idiot.:o:o

I had the same question though. Is that even possible? I mean if the mod's completely twisted in the head they might allow it but why would the pack do that?

They wouldn't.

[Macalaure]

I think I really made a mistake in this game so far. I have the feeling as if I got stuck in a kind of Day2 mode all along (by which I mean the point in the game where you have some information, but usually not enough yet to make a really confident vote, but you don't worry about it because you know it will get better soon). Now that I realised that, I need to adapt my way of thinking. We'll see how that will work out. :rolleyes: We can't make really water-tight cases against anybody, we can only do as well as we can and then hope. I did notice, though, that, "some" seem to have gone to the other extreme and took their as-good-as-they-get cases and acted on them as if they were undeniable fact.

I see a lot of suspicion coming my way today, but I'd like to try and ignore it as far as possible, and finally make up my mind about the mutineers instead of defending myself all the time.

My confused vote yesterday deserves some explanation, though, so I will do that now and then try to not talk about myself anymore today.

Due to defending myself quite a lot yesterday and because of what I explained above, I was drawing a thorough blank come voting time. I quite disliked the options. Kath seemed to make most sense (least nonsense?), but I had a very bad feeling. I didn't seriously consider Izzy until Nogrod brought it up and Nerwen switched her vote out of the blue. Nerwen is likely innocent and Nogrod brought in the innocent Rikae, so I changed my vote. It was all last minute and I had little time to think, but my logic was that this way it would be less bad if the lynchee would be innocent. Since I didn't suspect either of mutiny very much, this made sense to me.


With Inziladun gone I really do have to make up my mind anew. I can't read sense into that pick right now (1am). I also see that Gwath is still alive - does that mean we can expect him back today?

[Isabellkya]

To vote for Nerwen or Mac..... hmm.

It isn't polite to put egg on your own face.
As far as I'm aware, I'm the only one inside my head.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Mac... what do you mean when you say, "Nogrod brought in the innocent Rikae"?

[Thinlómien]

Oh, interesting. Now I'm confused. I was pretty certain I'd find myself dead in the morning but no, and furthermore, the one who's laying dead here is one of those I concluded must be mutineers. I was thinking the initial pack would've been Mac+Sally+Inzil+Shasta. Now I'll have to come up with something else. If there's three (or four) mutineers alive and one or two cobblers, we're doomed. I think we probably have 3 mutineers still alive, in a lucky case just 2. As for the cobblers... at least one and that is Izzy. Nerwen may be a cobbler just as well, or Nogrod. And I don't know if Boromir is stupid or a cobbler but I've lost my trust in him after that performance yesterDay. *shrugs*

I don't really get why you guys had to lynch Kath of all people. All the suspicion there was against her was due to her not being around and once she came back she started seeming much better, at least to me, but no, you stick to the previous consensus of her being suspicious and lynch her with hardly any reasons. I tell you, that was not innocent work.

Another thing that is not innocent is that my case against Mac has gone widely unnoticed. Whatever Mac himself says, I say it's the best backed-up case there has been in this whole game and only a few players even bother to comment on it. That can't be because of any other reason that he's evil and his mates know they can afford ignoring it as my random obsession and the cobblers have realised he's evil and can back it up too.

Off to comment yesterDay.

[Thinlómien]

Mac is getting even funny:
One thing to the people who've been complaining about the lack of information in this game setup: Don't forget that the mutineers got lucky and killed the seer right away. On average we'd have a lot more information with this setup. Also, we don't know how well or badly we are actually doing, so I think this criticism is rather early.This is so like "hey stop complaining we're not winning because the game is unfair but because we were lucky and hey besides we're not even winning that clearly". :D

Mac seems to be using all his (rather formidable) powers of intellect on barely defending himself.Tell me about it.

Mac will be involved, which means if he's a wolf, we'll get him Lommy. Maybe not today, but we'll get him.I think we're just running out of time and we can't waste our days lynching people as randomly as we did yesterDay. United we stand, divided we fall, althought the current description of what's happening to us is "divided we stand, divided we fall". :rolleyes:

And I will fall into desperation if Gwath is to be modfired because I'm 95% sure he's innocent and we don't have too many of those.

It might have been a ploy on Lommy's side (which would make her a very likely cobbler), but not from mine.Yes, you sure didn't plan to come under serious suspicion, just sail smoothly to victory... and suggesting I'm a cobbler is about the most ridiculous suggestion you can make. I can't think of anyone else alive who acts more innocently than I do - who else has made a proper case against someone lately, who else has been desperate to get the innocent stick together? No one except this cobbler here. If you were an innocent I'd be offended, but as a wolf you get a free pass, because accusing the innocent is what you have to do in order to win. ;)

I really don't like the mentorish role Mac is taking with Shasta. Are they bold wolves or is he trying to control an innocent not on his guard or giving orders to a cobbler? Whatever it is, Mac reminding him twice about the lynch being up to him and telling him what the options are doesn't exactly look innocent.

And somebody tell me mac's cote wasn't suspicious and I'll laugh. However he tries to explain it, it looks pretty bad, especially him saying "I have a feeling we're choosing wrongly here, but alright" and being so reluctant to lynch Izzy. That cries a wolf to me.

I feel I'd love to read through the thread to find out who are/were Mac&Sally's fellows but I don't know if I will have the time toDay...

[Thinlómien]

Shasta, by method of elimination you are hereby a mutineer in my books henceforth.

Izzy is a cobbler and Nerwen and Boro are either cobblers or innocent. Gwath is probably innocent. I have lost my faith in the possibility that he might be a mutineer, especially the mutineers Sally and Mac have treated him as they have. One of Mith and Eönwë may be a mutineer but I don't really think they are both evil. There being 2-3 mutineers alive right now by my logic, you're most probably one.

[Nerwen]

Nerwen may be a cobbler just as well, or Nogrod.

Uh... you know he's dead, don't you? And he was killed by the Hunter, so he could be anything.

[Thinlómien]

Uh... you know he's dead, don't you? And he was killed by the Hunter, so he could be anything.Err yes I know he's dead I maybe shouldn't have mentioned him when talking mostly about the living... And I know he could be anything, but I think he is either a cobbler or an ordo. I don't think there's anything particularily wolvish in him and I don't even want to consider the possibility that he was the ranger. So that's pretty much all the options and I've chosen to believe he was either an ordo or a cobbler.

[Inziladun]

Told you lot I was innocent, didn't I? :p

[Inziladun]

For what it's worth, I voted for Kath mainly because of her Gwath vote. As he looked to be in serious danger of a mod-fire, it just looked too throwaway at this stage in the game.

[Macalaure]

Seven possibilities. But how many out of seven?

Possible dead mutineers are McCaber, Mira, Annu, Wilwa, Sally, Nogrod, Kath.
My gut feeling says McCaber, Wilwa, and Kath are probably innocent, Mira and Annu are still likely innocent, Sally and Nogrod are suspicious. There's something about Nog's ghostly influence that makes me uneasy, but as he's dead, I won't go into it.

Two out of seven? Three would be very bad indeed, especially since we might still have a cobbler or two.

One mutineer should be Gwath, I'm pretty sure about that. Lynching him while he's not here doesn't make much sense, though.

Izzy is hard to follow, but I have a really hard time imagining a mutineer behaving like that.

These are the only two that I have a clearer picture of. With the rest, I have a bad feeling about Lommy and Eonwe, no idea about Mith anymore, and feel more or less good about Boro and Shasta. This more or less determines the order in which I will have close looks at people now.


Mac... what do you mean when you say, "Nogrod brought in the innocent Rikae"?Should've explained that better. I meant Nogrod mentioning that Rikae strongly suspected Izzy for a long time, and that she's known to be innocent and thus should be listened to.

[Boromir88]

And I don't know if Boromir is stupid or a cobbler but I've lost my trust in him after that performance yesterDay. *shrugs*

I don't really get why you guys had to lynch Kath of all people.~Lommy

Please do not call me stupid, this has not been the easiest of games to figure out what to do, but that doesn't warrant being called stupid. You could have just asked me why Kath, instead of assuming I'm a stupid innocent or cobbler.

To answer why Kath, first I'll say why not Mac? It's not that I didn't trust your reasons, it's for myself I am unsure. One minute I think he looks really sneaky, almost to the point where he's enjoying all of this, then next he sounds just as beaten and lost as everyone else. One minute I want to pull the latch, the next you realize Mac can be at the DL, so why was their no wolf-kill 2 nights ago? Plus, in the flurry of the cross-posting between you and Mac, Nogrod and I also had our flurry, and I had only read your 1st post against him, and his response.

There was a lot more after that, considering the bitter mood I was in, I didn't feel like reading it at the time, or I would be voting for Mac based on emotions. I felt it was much better to let me sit for a while, where I could read Mac's responses without having the automatic "evil" reaction because I wasn't in the best of moods.

You may think my vote for Kath was random, and it might look random because I didn't explain it well because I honestly just want to turn off the laptop and go to bed. I will tell you though, I voted for Kath with a much clearer reason, and clearer head, than I ever could have read Mac's.

That's because you assume I suspected Kath that she didn't show up for a day, and that's a faulty assumption. She was sick, I said I would allow her that day off (one she deserved), and would like to see more when she gets back. It was what she said that made me suspicious, and her vote for Gwath...Kath being here or not, made me no way more or less suspicious, what it did do was make sure I started watching what she was saying.

First lets start with the Gwath vote, because that was the biggest reason, and the only one I made, in my haste to want to retreat to quarters.

Well for me I think it's between Eonwe for sleeping under reindeer or whatever phrase we're using now, Mac because I think he's more likely a wolf than Boro, or Gwath not so much for a reason as there's been precious little to work with recently but because if he's going to be modfired then better only one person goes than two.
That was the post where she voted for Gwath...and basically it's Eonwe's being sneaky, could vote for him. Mac's more likely a wolf than Boro is...could vote for him. Or Gwath who will be modfired right? Her vote is as a I called it, safe and saying..."well we already did it with Mira, so it's ok if we lynch Gwath too for it."

Now let's go to what she said. It was suspicious that she was returning to a Day 2 discussion about the "word twisting." Granted she said she was doing it because she did not get a chance to answer (which was correct), but it's just strange that she would start her 1st post back (besides saying she's back). by defending herself from the "word twisting" debacle.

She does a post on Rikae's reveal but makes this totally wierd (not to mention wrong) statement:
Waaaait one second - we DON'T know Rikae was the Hunter? I just read the narration and from it and Brinn's little note could it maybe have been the other way round?
To which I pointed out Nogrod said he was an ordo. Maybe Kath didn't get/see that, but it's strange that after doing a post about Rikae revealing as the hunter, she doubts it because of Brinn's narration?

Then she sees/realizes Nogrod said he was innocent and recants, but still what's the reason by trying to doubt the claim in the first place based on a narration?

In her post (649) about yesterday's action...
Shasta is going to get himself lynched if he doesn't tone himself down pretty quick. It is frustrating defending yourself over the same thing again and again but 'taking a tone' rarely helps! :D
Now this is just alarm raising...why say Shasta is going to get himself lynched? She's actually been pretty defensive of Shasta throughout, for no real reasons that I can find.

Mith is going for Izzy - only thing is I don't recall seeing any explanation for suspicion there. I get why I'm suspicious of Izzy, and why others are, but I don't recall Mith mentioning any.
Maybe the same reasons as Kath and everyone else? :rolleyes:

Then in her next post with thoughts about those living, she narrow ends it with stuff about Boro, Mac, Gwath, and Shasta.
I am always tempted if we do have a modfire going on to vote for that person in order that we don't end up with two people dying on one Day.
She continues to offer Gwath up as a possibility based on being mod-fired. Now she could be true here, I mean I am not going to suspect Kath for something she believes...but this was knew information about Kath I didn't know. And the way she went for Gwath, when she "presented" other options, just looked like an easy way to do what we did with Gwath.

I found another miracle (in that I agree with Mac about something else)...Kath said this about Mac and I:
I said before that the fighting between Boro and Mac was quite likely to mean one of them was a wolf. I don't know which. To be on the opposite side of the fence to Lommy, given that Rikae was suspicious of Mac before she was killed it would seem to put him in a better light. Yet Boro doesn't seem suspicious. I guess by elimination and by the fact that I do believe Mac might be a bold enough wolf to kill Rikae knowing he might go down with her I'd probably vote for him. That said, I am more inclined to vote Gwath because of the modfire.
This really didn't make any sense she declares one of us (as she always thought) was a wolf, based on our arguments...but then says Mac is less suspicious because Rikae was kill, says I don't look suspicious, but then goes back to suspecting Mac for the Rikae kill.

Add what she said about Shasta, combined with Shasta's reaction to Kath's Gwath vote, and well...it seemed like a better reason than going for Mac when my emotions were revved up.

I remember last ship we be on, I said I relied on Kath's summaries for information, because it's quick and easy to read through, and wondered if anyone double checked what she said, because if she's a wolf she can really cause a stir, with the summaries. She said, when she has tried to twist her summaries as a baddie, that is how she's caught.

Truthfully, Kath is one of the players I respect the most, because when she's in and here, she is always doing her best to contribute. That shows passion, and as much as I would like to say it for myself, you don't need 100's of posts to show passion. However, just because I respect her approach to WWing, doesn't mean I won't vote for her when I think she's a wolf. I saw the inconsistancies, I saw her explanation for the Gwath vote, and that's why I voted for her...not because she was sick, couldn't be here, and the came back.

Lommy, not only has my own trust in your innocence been shaken today. But I've lost a tad of respect, the trouble is I know you didn't mean anything rude by it...it could just be the gathering frustration, but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt to be narrowed down as a "stupid innocent or cobbler." It's not so much that, but I would have thought our rapport would have at least warranted you to ask me what I was thinking, before saying I was either stupid or a cobbler.

[Boromir88]

when she "presented" other options, just looked like an easy way to do what we did with Gwath.~myself
change that "Gwath" to "Mira.":rolleyes:

[Nerwen]

Err yes I know he's dead I maybe shouldn't have mentioned him when talking mostly about the living... And I know he could be anything, but I think he is either a cobbler or an ordo. I don't think there's anything particularily wolvish in him and I don't even want to consider the possibility that he was the ranger. So that's pretty much all the options and I've chosen to believe he was either an ordo or a cobbler.

Okay, Lommy... but you were quick to call it a slip when Sally started talking about Wilwa as a known innocent.

(I don't say it's exactly the same, because I keep thinking of Nogrod as a wolf-kill myself.)

[Isabellkya]

++Mac

Me pirate self be hunting all day, and me pirate heart be long gone.

Cobbler? Nay. Rib breaking will ensue at the end, for laughing.
Mutineer? You wish.

[Isabellkya]

Would vote for Nerwen and Lommy if I could.
But alas, only one vote this pirate has.

[Isabellkya]

Oh, and before you get any funny ideas.

This pirate be a hunter and a gatherer.

[Rikae]

I had a dream last Night (in RL. Of course I'm the hunter, not the seer) in which Mith was a snake which looked human (sorry Mith - at least you looked like a very pretty human, though), Shasta was a bird which looked like a snake, and I was a bird which looked human. Mac was in the dream, too, as a human-looking human.

So if anyone wants to listen to the dreams of a dead hunter, there you go. Maybe my subconscious knows something? :D

[Nerwen]

++Mac

Me pirate self be hunting all day, and me pirate heart be long gone.

Cobbler? Nay. Rib breaking will ensue at the end, for laughing.
Mutineer? You wish.

*sigh* So is it the Ranger you're claiming to be now? Or perchance the Seer?

No– wait– I have it! You're the real Hunter. Rikae and Nogrod were just suicidal wolves.

Am I right or am I right?

[Mithalwen]

I am here..I postponed my trip... need to catch up.... not that there is much...

[Inziladun]

Again, my apologies. I'll try to do better next Day, even if I'm a ghost.

I said that just before the last DL. How prophetic. :)
Anyway, Izzy has to be an extremely nervy mutineer or a conspirator. If innocent, she appears to have gone out of her way to provoke people, with no apparent payoff. That would make her early vote for Mac a bit strange if he's a mutineer, though.
I was pretty well convinced either Mac or Lommy were mutineers, but not both. I could understand Mutineer Lommy attacking Mutineer Mac to put on a public display, but would she have gone so far as to vote for him, especially when others had already expressed suspicion of him too?
And Ëonwë deserves at least, I think, a close look before people vote.

[Nerwen]

In a normal game I'd say "definitely". In this... I don't know. The baddies have less to gain by wolf-on-wolf voting.


And Ëonwë deserves at least, I think, a close look before people vote.

Yes, Ëonwë is probably evil. Izzy is even more probably evil.

Trouble is, they look more like cobblers than wolves.

If Izzy is a cobbler, I wonder what her vote on Mac signifies? Is she trying to get us to vote him (i.e. thinks he's innocent), or is it reverse psychology?

[Nerwen]

Anyway, Izzy has to be an extremely nervy mutineer or a conspirator.

You know, she's not often a wolf. She might be nervous...

[Mithalwen]

I had a dream last Night (in RL. Of course I'm the hunter, not the seer) in which Mith was a snake which looked human (sorry Mith - at least you looked like a very pretty human, though),

Well Rikae, all I can say is if I am Lamia or Echidna (mother of all monsters not what Nerwen may first think of!!) that makes you a harpy:p

[Nerwen]

Well Rikae, all I can say is if I am Lamia or Echidna (mother of all monsters not what Nerwen may first think of!!)

And did, of course...

[Mithalwen]

Well until today I always assumed that echidna was an Aboriginal name not a greek one... :o i mean seriously sounds like it should be a small town in NSW...anyway..

[Nerwen]

Well until today I always assumed that echidna was an Aboriginal name not a greek one... :o i mean seriously sounds like it should be a small town in NSW...anyway..

Probably is.

I wonder why they went and named the echidna after a monster? I mean, they're really quite cute.

[Mithalwen]

I know...odd certainly maybe not koala cute but not monstrous...

[Eönwë]

"Well, I'm back" as Sam said.
Going to read through th' end of yesterday and toDay.

[Nerwen]

All right. I'll vote now.

++ Mac.

As always, I'll try and be back later and will change if need be.

[Thinlómien]

Alright first off one thing. Boro, I'm sorry I called you stupid. I can only say you're not the only one frustrated here and that Kath lynch seemed utterly pointless to me. I was unnecessarily nasty in my critique of it, especially as I must admit I intentionally phrased stuff provocatingly to see how you'd react. I didn't mean to offend nor did I think you'd be offended, but I should've realised it's not very nice to call someone stupid. Like I said, I'm sorry. But if there's any good in this thing, it's that your reaction seems very innocent to me (or then you are a rather heartless manipulator) so I think I may finally be sure.


edit: xed with Nerwen - yay! *hugs Nerwen* :D

[Thinlómien]

++Macalaure

Trying to make more sure he dies if there's a tie. ;)

It is possible I will retract but I doubt it. (I think the only possible case is that becomes a race between Shasta and someone I consider innocent, or between me and someone else.)

[Macalaure]

Seems to be my day today. Three misguided votes and my computer ate my Eonwe-post.

[Eönwë]

I had the same question though. Is that even possible? I mean if the mod's completely twisted in the head they might allow it but why would the pack do that? They might 'clear' one of their own but would lose that person's voting power, as well as the chance to get another innocent down. Makes no sense.
I was just putting it out there. Yes, of course it's highly unlikely, but in a game like this where we don't know anything, anything could happen.

[Thinlómien]

Trying to get Gwath lynched, eh, Mac? He's pretty much the only one who is suspected even a bit and not on your side. I almost pity you because you have so few choices to pick from. Maybe you could launch a bandwagon against Eönwë, he usually falls victim to those quite easily, almost as easily as Gwath. :rolleyes:

With the rest, I have a bad feeling about Lommy and Eonwe, no idea about Mith anymore, and feel more or less good about Boro and Shasta. This more or less determines the order in which I will have close looks at people now.Translation: I could get Lommy or Eönwë lynched since they have been suspected a tiny bit, I'm preparing for the Day we have to lynch Mith, I want to get Boro to my side and I won't lynch my mate Shasta. See, I can speak wolf. ;)

Why is Izzy voting Mac?
a) She's a cobbler who's doing him a risky favour.
b) She's a cobbler and she's mistaken about him.
c) I'm mistaken about him.
d) She's innocent after all (and making weird comments because she's frustrated).
I'm inclined to think b) or d) is correct. a) would be foolish, and I don't believe in c) because I trust my own judgement more than Izzy's (no offense). I'm a bit baffled by her voting him but it makes me happy nevertheless. *hugs Izzy too*


edit: xed with Mac and Eönwë

[Thinlómien]

Aieeeeeee Mac. :D Just see what I said when cross-posting with you. You're a tad too predictable. ;) I'm sorry the computer ate your post, though. It sucks. (But I'm not sorry for the well-guided votes. ;))

[Eönwë]

I was just putting it out there. Yes, of course it's highly unlikely, but in a game like this where we don't know anything, anything could happen.

And also, it could be that they killed a cobbler, who, even though dead, could be trying to help the wolf side.

Also, I at the time I didn't like the assumption on this post that Rikae was a proven avenger, though now I see what you mean... Nogrod would have no reason to pretend that he wasn't- though we still have no idea what he is.

[Thinlómien]

I'm beginning to agree with those who say Eönwë is a cobbler. That does not merit lynching him, though.

[Macalaure]

Alright, I won't rewrite it, but here are the things I noticed:

-He intentionally abstained from voting on Day2, so he might not be unlikely to do the same as a mutineer.

-On Day3 he has two actual suspects in his list, Nogrod and Gwath. Gwath is in there because he's under his radar. Can a top 2 suspect be under one's radar? The reason seems invented. (He thinks he's giving Gwath the first vote, so mutineer-on-mutineer is possible.)

-This is from Day4:I wouldn't necessarily assume that the real seer would have revealed by now if Greenie isn't. It could be that the real seer hasn't found any wolves yet. However, it does make Nerwen seem innocent because I assume that the seer would have dreamt her, and if she had been a mutineer then they may have decided to reveal because of this, which would incriminate both Nerwen and Greenie.Message to cobbler?

-Later that day, he says he has only half an hour left and nobody to vote for. He uses his little time to write a huge vote list, but still doesn't know who to vote and joins the Sally-waggon (because she's under his radar).

-On Day5 there's the awkward theory that the mutineers might have sacrificed one of their own at night. That's all he talks about that day until he votes Inziladun because he's under his radar.


From Day1 til now, he has not made a reasonable point about anyone. He doesn't know who to vote for, but doesn't seem to be interested in changing it. His voting reason is consistently "under the radar". I wish I could say something in his defense, but there really isn't anything. Eonwe's a mutineer.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm really not liking the way this game is going. I'm pretty sure a win (or loss) could be right around the corner.

[Inziladun]

I'm really not liking the way this game is going. I'm pretty sure a win (or loss) could be right around the corner.

Meaning your packmate is on the chopping block? :rolleyes:

[Macalaure]

I'm not sorry for the well-guided votes.

Izzy seems particularly well-guided this game, and Nerwen's reasoning there is breathtaking. Seems like the cobblers are indeed following your guidance at last.

[Thinlómien]

Oh Mac and Sally, you're sweet. :D Mac you're so hard trying to make a case out of thin air. You think you can retain your credibility after concluding: "I wish I could say something in his defense, but there really isn't anything. Eonwe's a mutineer." based on that? You could've said "this looks rather fishy, I think Eönwë is a mutineer" and you might've had a chance. And Sally, it's nice you talk to your mates from the grave. Too bad we others can read too. ;)


edit: xed with Inzy and Mac

[Boromir88]

I didn't mean to offend nor did I think you'd be offended...~Lommy
I already knew that before, which takes out some of the sting. ;)

I know sometimes I need a good butt-kicking into shape, because sometimes I think wildly and more reactionary. If you think something I did/said was stupid, that's fine, and by all means say it...I always don't catch myself. It was just the I'm either "stupid or a cobbler," and not that I possibly made a "stupid choice." But how could we possibly know whether Kath's lynch worked out for good or bad?

If you were searching for a reaction from me, just ask...and be as provacative as you want...even put it as "Boro...what the - ?" Say it looked stupid, or wolvish, or whatever...phrasing it in a question tends to help.

Alright first off one thing. Boro, I'm sorry I called you stupid.
Accepted...and if you think I'm being stupid, say it, sometimes I need reminding, but just put a :p with it, that takes out the sting and I still get the point. :D

Edit: crossed with everyone since Mac's 812

[Thinlómien]

Izzy seems particularly well-guided this game, and Nerwen's reasoning there is breathtaking. Seems like the cobblers are indeed following your guidance at last.At last? At least, I'd say. I don't know what Nerwen is, and I admit her vote is not well reasoned. I like it nevertheless. But why get so edgy so early? She said she'd be back and change if needed. I will be long gone once she reappears while you'll be here to convince her you're on the same side (whatever side you try to confirm her of ;)).

edit: xed with Boro

[satansaloser2005]

Oh Mac and Sally, you're sweet. :D Mac you're so hard trying to make a case out of thin air. You think you can retain your credibility after concluding: "I wish I could say something in his defense, but there really isn't anything. Eonwe's a mutineer." based on that? You could've said "this looks rather fishy, I think Eönwë is a mutineer" and you might've had a chance. And Sally, it's nice you talk to your mates from the grave. Too bad we others can read too. ;)


edit: xed with Inzy and Mac



Actually, I was just voicing my suspicions that the game could soon be over, either way. And I warned you before to be careful who you lynched, but no one listened, so it's your own faults.

[Boromir88]

Accepted...and if you think I'm being stupid, say it, sometimes I need reminding, but just put a :p with it, that takes out the sting and I still get the point. :D

Edit: crossed with everyone since Mac's 812
Or just make a joke about hitting me with a piece of fish. :p

Ok, now I will go and read the Lommy and Mac business I didn't from yesterday.

[Eönwë]

I think that that Lommy's relentless going-after-Mac makes her look innocent, as I don't think a wolf would go that far, as it "puts her out" more. If it was a wolf-on-wolf, then now that Mac has started to gain suspicion, then I would have expected her to slow down (though very subtly so as not to arouse suspicion), whereas she's still going for it- in fact, she is daring anyone to challenge her argument, which she claims is the best so far. Wolf-on innocent could be a possibility, but since Mac does look a little suspicious I don't think this is likely.
The other option, of course is that it is innocent-on-innocent, which is quite possible in such a game where no-one knows anything.

[Thinlómien]

Ok Boro I promise I will remember those pieces of advice next time. :D

For the first time in a few Days I'm feeling good about this game. I wonder if it means we're finally doomed for good. :rolleyes::D (<- and I'm not putting that laughing face there because I'm thinking of us getting doomed, I'm just thinking of us having a real chance to lynch Mac and thinking "heck we might survive after all".)


edit: xed with everyone

[Shastanis Althreduin]

My own opinion is still that Lommy and Mac are both mutineers, by the way. Lommy suspecting me based on process of elimination (which is useless considering we have no way of knowing how many mutineers we've already lynched!) is probably the capper. I get the feeling she's doing it just to have one more point of contention where Mac is concerned.

Edit: X'd with Eonwe and Lommy. If anything, Eonwe being against Lommy and Mac being wolf-on-wolf makes me more sure that's what's going on here.

[Macalaure]

Lommy, the thing is, apart from the points I made against him, Eonwe didn't really give us any post of substance. I think my conclusion is very valid. Btw, in what position are you to make a handful of flimsy points and call it a fact? ;)

Lommy's boldness today gives me a bad feeling about our numbers. This is the way wolves start to behave when they're one wrong lynch away from sweeping a village. :rolleyes:

Lommy, Eonwe, Gwath... who's the fourth one in there? After looking at Eonwe, I don't think it could be dead-Sally anymore.

[Thinlómien]

*flip-flop-flip-flop*

Can you hear that? It is the sound of a Lommy flip-flop coming. ;) I think Eönwë is an ordo. And yes, for no other reason but that he finds me innocent. If he was acobbler, he would have gone by exactly the same logic he presents and not posted that but started attacking me and trying to get Mac with him.

Okay I feel that due to Inzil's proven innocence and some other stuff (like this comment of Eönwë's, although knowing him, he will probably make soon another post that incriminates him in my eyes - hey wait he could be a mutineer after all, it could make sense but it must wait until I think more about it), it's time for me to make a new list of how I believe the roles were given out.


edit: xed with our remaining mutineers

[Nogrod]

The number of cobblers around is breath-taking... :rolleyes:

[Eönwë]

Lommy suspecting me based on process of elimination (which is useless considering we have no way of knowing how many mutineers we've already lynched!) is probably the capper. Oh, I forgot about that post. Yes that is poor reasoning, and I don't know why she's using it as she has a perfectly good case against Mac (whatever their roles).


Also, I'm entertaining the possibility that perhaps all of those in the thick of the argument are actually innocent, and that the real mutineers are the quiet ones that post seldom, and are just sitting back and watching us innocents fighting each other while they stay out of the limelight.

[satansaloser2005]

The number of cobblers around is breath-taking... :rolleyes:



And what is your bidding for toDay, oh king of the co-conspies? ;)



Seriously, though, I'm really confused by this whole Lommie and Mac business. I don't know who to believe. It's driving me a bit bonkers.



And no one's figured out my icon yet. :(


EDIT: x'd with Steve. Like you, ya mean?

[Thinlómien]

Lommy, the thing is, apart from the points I made against him, Eonwe didn't really give us any post of substance. I think my conclusion is very valid. Btw, in what position are you to make a handful of flimsy points and call it a fact?I KNEW that was coming from you. :p I agree Eönwë hasn't helped us too much - except with his handy tables and a point or two - but it doesn't surely mean he's a mutineer. I can imagine him being just intimidated by the setting and not pushing his way to make points against other people, like you and me have done, but that doesn't give any clue to his role.

Lommy's boldness today gives me a bad feeling about our numbers. This is the way wolves start to behave when they're one wrong lynch away from sweeping a village.Nay, Mac, I've made that mistake once and I wouldn't do it again. I've lost one game because of being so certain and desperate on the last Day, so if I was a wolf now, I'd be really much more careful and subtle and not attack you like a rabid dog. (Haha what a well chosen comparison.) My boldness, if you want to call it that, has been simply out of confidence in your guilt and desperation not to lose this game. ToDay it's looking probable we lynch you and I'm becoming happy because it looks like we have postponed our death a little and we may still solve this mystery in time.

It's far from certain anyway. Just relax Mac. Unfortunately you're not dead yet.

And Shasta - that is exactly what I'd do in your place, you can't win this without turning on Mac but you're not too happy with me alive so if I was you I'd do exactly the same... but I hope it's not enough to save you.


edit: triple-xed

[Eönwë]

EDIT: x'd with Steve. Like you, ya mean?
OK, but that would be a little too suspicious, don't you think?

Also, I was thinking more those that talk reasonably a lot but haven't really got into/commented on on the Lommy/Mac/Boro thing, like Nerwen and Mith. If that's the case then nice little innocent conversation about echidnas, wouldn't you say? Also Shasta and Gwath. However, I think don't find Mith and Shasta suspicious, though maybe that's just their masterful tactics- I don't know. Gwath isn't here.

[Thinlómien]

Shasta, I admit process of elimination is rather faulty in a setting like this but I can't believe we're as lucky as to have lynched all the mutineers except for Mac.


edit: xed with Eönwë

[Eönwë]

Ah! Now I'm flip-flopping on Shasta. On the one hand, he seems quite innocent, on the other hand, where have all his posts gone? (By which I mean- what has he done with that many posts!?)

[Thinlómien]

Nogrod, are you criticising the cobblerishness/ bad quality of people's posts/ arguments or the volume of the accusations of cobblerism flying around?

[Eönwë]

Nogrod, are you criticising the cobblerishness/ bad quality of people's posts/ arguments or the volume of the accusations of cobblerism flying around?

Probably both :p

[Thinlómien]

Okay.

Greenie was the seer. Rikae was the hunter.

I'm innocent. Inziladun was innocent. McCaber and Kath were innocent. Boro and Gwath are innocent.

Sally was a wolf. Mac and Shasta are wolves.

This is what I feel rather safe assuming. That leaves me the group:
Nerwen
Izzy
Eönwë
Mith
Mira
Eomer
Annu
Wilwa
Nogrod
with 1 wolf, 2 cobblers and 6 innocents in it.

Let's see. Eomer and Nerwen are not wolves, so the list of possible wolves goes down to:
Izzy
Eönwë
Mith
Mira
Annu
Wilwa
Nogrod

I think Eönwë is not a wolf (given how Mac treats him). If I have to bet, I will actually remove Izzy and Mith too, because they are more like ordos/cobblers than wolves.

So by my logic, the last wolf was someone who's already dead. Huzzah!

Then off to cobblers. The list of possible cobblers is:
Nerwen
Izzy
Eönwë
Mith
Mira
Eomer
Annu
Wilwa
Nogrod

I will take Mira and Wilwa off since they never gave me cobblerish vibes. Nerwen's Mac-vote exonerates her quite nicely yet not conclusively. Nah, if I have to guess the cobblers are/were among this three: Nogrod, Izzy and Eomer.

DISCLAIMER: (;)) this post is based on assumptions all of you don't want to make. It's not supposed to be a conclusive all in all answer to this mystery, it is just my take on it.

It seems like I've reached the conclusion that we only have two mutineers left. Unfortunately, I believe more in my chances of making a mistake than our chances to have done so well this far so I'm not getting hopeful yet. :rolleyes:

And Shasta, if we lynch Mac and this game ends then, I will consider you innocent. ;) ( = all people who seem more wolvish than Shasta or at least as wolvish as him are dead already.)

[Thinlómien]

I'm actually wondering now if Mac-Eönwë could be wolf-on-wolf after all... I could see Mac doing that. (And I could see him accusing Eönwë just wanting to get him lynched instead of himself or trying to make it seem like wolf-on-wolf... argh.)

[Thinlómien]

Where is everyone? I should go to sleep soon...

[Mithalwen]

Not a cobbler ..just clueless ... maybe I need fish slapping too .... I am not being deliberately unhelpful really....

[Macalaure]

I agree Eönwë hasn't helped us too much - except with his handy tables and a point or two - but it doesn't surely mean he's a mutineer. I can imagine him being just intimidated by the setting and not pushing his way to make points against other people, like you and me have done, but that doesn't give any clue to his role.

If this isn't a mutineer defending a mutineer then I don't know what is. Handy tables usually fall into the category of "looking helpful without being helpful" because they don't give you genuine thought - you know that very well. On the next one I call you: Which were the one or two points you found helpful. List. Also, I did not say "He isn't helpful, he's evil", but "He posted a lot of evil things, and he isn't even helpful, he's evil". Nobody has to push points against others, but stating opinions isn't asked too much.

Nay, Mac, I've made that mistake once and I wouldn't do it again. I've lost one game because of being so certain and desperate on the last Day, so if I was a wolf now, I'd be really much more careful and subtle and not attack you like a rabid dog.

In a regular game I would maybe even believe that, but in this setup with barely any knowledge? Nope. Look how many think you're innocent just because you're so bold. It's a risky move, and you are pulling it well - but you have not won yet

[satansaloser2005]

Not a cobbler ..just clueless ... maybe I need fish slapping too .... I am not being deliberately unhelpful really....

*slaps you with a fish*

As you wish. :)



Also, I'm so glad that Lommie's figured out my role! Good for her. Heh, right.

[Eönwë]

Where is everyone? I should go to sleep soon...

I was about to say the same thing


edit: x-ed avec Mith

[Inziladun]

And no one's figured out my icon yet. :(

I know where it comes from, but I had to do some searching to learn it.

[Thinlómien]

If this isn't a mutineer defending a mutineer then I don't know what is. Handy tables usually fall into the category of "looking helpful without being helpful" because they don't give you genuine thought - you know that very well. On the next one I call you: Which were the one or two points you found helpful. List. Also, I did not say "He isn't helpful, he's evil", but "He posted a lot of evil things, and he isn't even helpful, he's evil". Nobody has to push points against others, but stating opinions isn't asked too much.I think tables are helpful. Period. But I agree they also fall into the category of things people do just to look helpful, but it doesn't reduce their usefulness. And I didn't mean to defend him by that, I just wanted to say he's done something helpful (I did not say if he was doing it just to look helpful or because of a genuine willingness to help). I will look through Eönwë's posts for the few useful points if you want me to, but not if there's something more important to be discussed. You're again trying to thwart me to play silly games. :rolleyes::p

In a regular game I would maybe even believe that, but in this setup with barely any knowledge? Nope. Look how many think you're innocent just because you're so bold. It's a risky move, and you are pulling it well - but you have not won yetI never wanted anyone to think me innocent. I only wanted them to think you guilty. It's nice not to be suspected as an innocent, but quite frankly, I don't care if I'm lynched toMorrow if we lynch you toDay. I believe we can afford wasting a lynch on me once we've got rid of one mutineer. (But of course I prefer to live.) But if you were me you'd be just as certain of your guilt as I'm now. It's really not like I decided to get obsessed about lynching you, I just became more and more confident you're evil and wholeheartedly launched a campaign against you because I have nothing to lose. I'm not like you, I don't have to think about my own survival all the time, because my side can afford losing people far more than yours.


edit: xed with the three

[Mithalwen]

I do read I just find it impossible to draw conclusions when I have no certainty about anything much. I guess my cluelessness is one of hte reasons I havent been killed since I havent been suspected much - also I did say I might not be here today ...

[Mithalwen]

Mac has fooled me before but I don't know if a Macwolf would fail to send in a kill. Hmm

[Thinlómien]

Mac has fooled me before but I don't know if a Macwolf would fail to send in a kill. HmmWell you have two different ways you can take it:
1) it looks unlikely, henceforth he is probably innocent
2) it looks unlikely but it would be foolish to exonerate him based on that.

[Mithalwen]

Indeed...which leaves me nowhere but tired and mind boggled.... ..

[Thinlómien]

Sounds familiar. But if you ask me, you should vote him. ;) Not like there's even any contesting suspicion... unless you want to start one? I think we should get done with him toDay for good and focus on other stuff toMorrow. It would be refreshing.

[Macalaure]

Mith, please consider carefully - another vote for me would pretty much seal my fate, and we're very probably at most 2 wrong lynches away from defeat. If you're not sure - there are other options, and you can still lynch me tomorrow if you want to. What is your opinion of Eonwe, for example?

[Macalaure]

Why do Mith and Lommy remind me of Théoden and Wormtongue? :p ;)

[Thinlómien]

Mith, please consider carefully - another vote for me would pretty much seal my fate, and we're very probably at most 2 wrong lynches away from defeat. If you're not sure - there are other options, and you can still lynch me tomorrow if you want to. What is your opinion of Eonwe, for example?Mac I don't want another Day fighting you. This is getting pretty tiresome. (I don't mean to offend but it's not actually nice to bombard the same person with accusations for several Days in a row especially if you don't generally enjoy hammering others or the person in question is someone you like and you'd far rather be on the same side with. :)) Why not you toDay and Eönwë toMorrow? What are you trying to achieve by postponing your death by a Day?


edit: xed with Mac :D why do you remind me of Saruman after the Ents' attack? Although, wait, that would make me your servant, no way... ;)

[Mithalwen]

Lol I really don't know but you have tricled me before .... I am in such a state I am starting to wonder if Issy has a point.... but that way lies insanity.

[Mithalwen]

Gandalf where art thou?

[Thinlómien]

Mith :D:D

I'm afraid there's no Gandalf in this game. :rolleyes:

[Mithalwen]

I note that Gwath has not been modfired but given his continued absence I doubt that can last.

I would really like to know something for certain. I suppose it would be wrong ot crave a doublekill?

[Thinlómien]

Can we please just lynch Mac toDay? We can then kill him again toMorrow and that should reveal aplenty.

And please consider this really not just as something coming from me. I think it would make sense.

But I'd still prefer lynching Shasta before double-lynching Mac.

Where are Boro and Noggie?

[Eönwë]

Mith, please consider carefully - another vote for me would pretty much seal my fate, and we're very probably at most 2 wrong lynches away from defeat. If you're not sure - there are other options, and you can still lynch me tomorrow if you want to. What is your opinion of Eonwe, for example?
You sound like Boromir under the influence of the ring trying to tempt Frodo (I'm thinking movie version here).

edit: x-ed

btw, so, my internet just sorta fizzled out a few minutes ago.

[Macalaure]

Mac I don't want another Day fighting you.Feel free to lynch yourself. :p

What are you trying to achieve by postponing your death by a Day?Riiiiight. :rolleyes: :p

Can we please just lynch Mac toDay? We can then kill him again toMorrow and that should reveal aplenty.Just that you won't like what it will reveal.

But I'd still prefer lynching Shasta before double-lynching Mac.What did I say? 2 more wrong lynches it is.

[Thinlómien]

You sound like Boromir under the influence of the ring trying to tempt Frodo (I'm thinking movie version here).:D

edit: xed with Mac

[Mithalwen]

Oh and I am as indecisive as Book Aragorn...

[Thinlómien]

Feel free to lynch yourself.I could consider it if there was more support. ;)

Riiiiight.Is that the best answer you can come up with? :p

Just that you won't like what it will reveal.You know I will probably literally bang my head against the wall if you turn out innocent. But I don't think I'll have to do that.

What did I say? 2 more wrong lynches it is.Exactly why I told Mith I want to lynch you toDay, not anyone ghosted.

(But not that I'd be so certain it's just 2 more wrong lynches, that would assume three remaining live mutineers, right? Remember at worst it's just one lynch wrong and we lose.)


edit: xed with Mith

[Mithalwen]

So got to go..and I can't sort out the living. I really think tomorrow Gwath should be lynched if not modfired by then
.... if that makes any sense. But I thinkI would like ot know for sure about Kath..

[Eönwë]

I should probably go now... but who to vote?

[Thinlómien]

But I thinkI would like ot know for sure about Kath..What would we learn by that? She posted hardly anything and hardly anyone stood up to defend her, she was just bandwagoned for. If we're to lynch a ghost, then good heavens let's at least pick someone who created some controversy and posted enough to draw conclusions from.

But like I said I don't think we can afford losing time like that.


edit: xed with Eönwë

[Mithalwen]

Or lynch Gwath now? seems consensus that he is guilty...? What was a cop out with Mira might now be genuine damage limitation? The next kill will be very revealing but of course possibly too late...

Does noone else want to know something for certain?

[Mithalwen]

What would we learn by that? She posted hardly anything and hardly anyone stood up to defend her, she was just bandwagoned for. If we're to lynch a ghost, then good heavens let's at least pick someone who created some controversy and posted enough to draw conclusions from.

But like I said I don't think we can afford losing time like that.


edit: xed with Eönwë

I just always want to know about Kath... it makes everything else so much simpler.

[Thinlómien]

Well Eönwë you know what I'd recommend... :D but seriously, is there any better case around, any better option? As a bonus, you will get a much more calm Lommy toMorrow - provided that she's alive - if you lynch him toDay. ;)

edit. double-xed

[Mithalwen]

Just a hunch that maybe we have to be the ones to kill him...

++Gwathagor

[Thinlómien]

Eee NO Gwath for heaven's sake. There's nothing really to point at his guilt and he may die at any moment anyway and the wolves take one of us down every Night...

edit: xed with Mith

[Thinlómien]

Okay now I know who's a cobbler for sure. :rolleyes:

[Inziladun]

Just a hunch that maybe we have to be the ones to kill him...

++Gwathagor

Oh, I don't like that at all. Are you sure we can afford that now, Mith? Wasting a vote on a probable modfire?

x'd with the Penguin

[Eönwë]

Another thing that just popped into my mind the Lommy-Mac argument could be a co-conspirator and an innocent (could work either way round).

edit: x-ed since Mith. Why? He might be modfired.

[Isabellkya]

Nerwen, refer back to a previous post where I covered role claiming.
Simplified version - I haven't claimed a single role.

Zil - I don't have to be either a Mutie or a Cobblie. The End.
In all honesty, I haven't gone out of my way to do anything lately. ;)

My vote on Mac signifies he is a Mutie. All there is to it. If I were a Cobblie or a Mutie, you really think I would've voted with my own choice for Mac on Day Two, and not gone along with a bandwagon already in place?

Interesting vote there Nerwen. You think I'm a Cobblir a Mutie, and question my vote for Mac... yet you vote him also? Uhm.. yes makes perfect sense.

I'm tempted to unvote, and vote Nerwen again for being such an obvious Mutie now.


X'd with Zil and Eonwe.

[Boromir88]

My heavens you pick this day of all days for me to start chattering?...it couldn't have been any of the days when I had nothing to do except refresh my page every 20 minutes. :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

I'm doing other things right now but have checked this a few times today. And I'm completely lost with you guys as I should either concentrate on this right here and now - but also read those two Days I missed with thought before saying anything constructive to any wider issues - or those you have sank into.

But I must say that I do share Mith's thoughts on Mac not missing a kill. Okay, there are circumstances where it could happen even to me (but I'd send sms's, go somewhere to get a net access to really confirm it's sent etc.). One summer I used my crappy mobile phone to do that when on our summer cabin...

If the wolves did miss one kill by accident* you should look at some other names than Mac...

But as I said, I'm completely uneducated with the twists and turns of this game so please ignore me. I'll be back if I have time and interest enough to exchange sleeping to this totally insane game. :rolleyes:

EDIT: * "by accident" meaning screwing it...

[Eönwë]

Ok, I still have no idea.

Those still alive:
-Pirate Lommy the Infected ~ Quartermaster
-Pirate Boromir the Malformed ~ Gunner
-Shark Tooth Shasta ~ First mate
-Snifflin’ Mac Sparrow ~ Cooper
-Almost-Blind Nerwen ~ Navigator/Sea Artist
-Cowerin' Gwath Slasher ~ Powder Monkey
-Ham-Hands Izzy ~ Striker
-Short Ruth Mithril ~ Cook


I won't vote Gwath, as he's probably going to be modfired.
Boro strikes me as innocent for now.
Lommy seems a little too forthright to be a mutineer (though could be a co-conspirator).
As far as we know, Nerwen isn't a mutineer (however she could be a co-conspirator).
Izzy just acts surreal, and seems like an obvious co-conspirator, however that could just be cover. But I'll leave her for now.

Which leaves me with these 3:

-Shark Tooth Shasta ~ First mate
-Snifflin’ Mac Sparrow ~ Cooper
-Short Ruth Mithril ~ Cook

which I'd be willing to vote for toDay

[Eönwë]

Of the 3 left in my list (what if they're all mutineers! :eek:), the only one who I've heard a good case against is:

++Macalaure

So I be votin' fer tha' scurvy-dog t'Day

[Eönwë]

And now I leave...

[Thinlómien]

*hugs Eönwë* :D

As for missing the kill, I don't think it should be used as an argument. So many things can possibly have happened and we have no way of knowing the truth. And I would definitely not want to be a mutineer-Macalaure who is suspected a lot but then saved because no one believes he'd miss a kill he actually missed. It wouldn't feel fair, it wouldn't feel nice. So I think we should really try to ignore the fact that one kill was missed.

[Thinlómien]

And while it seems highly unlikely, it is possible it was missed on purpose.

[Thinlómien]

Oh well I guess I may have to look through Eönwë's posts for you Mac now that there's nothing happening...

[satansaloser2005]

Lommie, go to bed!

[Boromir88]

After reading through yesterday's Mac v. Lommy (haven't gotten to today's yet)...

++Macalaure

Lommy's followed my judgement lots of times (and some of those times it's been fun misleading her :D). Since, I'm convinced she's innocent, and had really meant good by saying I was stupid (:p), I'll show trust in her judgement for once. If I'm being misled, stellar game Lommy.

I'll be back before the DL to catch up on everything else today (last thing I remember that wasn't just a skimming through was something between Nerwen and Mith about a monster? :confused: ). But I'm going to be out for the next few hours.

Edit: crossed with sally...and agreed! You've seriously done enough today (in a good way though) ::friendly smile:: since I can't add anymore.

[Macalaure]

Congrats, Lommwolf. You managed to flush out the ranger.

[satansaloser2005]

:rolleyes:

:eek:

[Thinlómien]

A point or two that Eönwë has raised?

I like the fact that he brought Inzy to spotlight and said he had been ignored by everyone yesterDay, even though his vote was a wasted one.

Because she is in deep hibernation under Rudolph, and in voting she only seems to want to vote because she is is forced to, as if she doesn't really want to be answerable for her actions.He pretty much phrased here what I found disturbing about her - or half of it - in a way I could never have consciously phrased it.Or maybe they're just messing with our minds, planting a seed of doubt in Nerwen's innocence, trying to make us lynch the only innocent we have proven to us, while they sit back and enjoy.

Or maybe they're just messing with our minds, planting a seed of doubt in Nerwen's innocence, trying to make us lynch the only innocent we have proven to us, while they sit back and enjoy.You may call it an obvious point but no one had brought it up before.

I wouldn't necessarily assume that the real seer would have revealed by now if Greenie isn't. It could be that the real seer hasn't found any wolves yet. However, it does make Nerwen seem innocent because I assume that the seer would have dreamt her, and if she had been a mutineer then they may have decided to reveal because of this, which would incriminate both Nerwen and Greenie.A very good point, if I may say (although I disagree).

An original piece of thought:It could be that Rikae and Shasta are wolves. Being obvious usually makes players seem less suspicious, so maybe this little "kerfuffle" was just to make them seem "too obvious" to be wolves together. It also serves to distance themselves for each other. It would be a risky plan, but both Rikae and Shasta are experienced players, and from the times I've played with them I've seen them get into similar situations (especially with [b]Shasta[/B- which is sad, as he often gets killed early), so it wouldn't be too out of the ordinary.

Seems like you should have researched a bit before jumping on Eönwë. ;)

edit (forgot to add this earlier) xed with quite a few

[Thinlómien]

Nah, Macwolf, I just think you're trying to flush THEM out by that. If you were really the ranger, you would have revealed earlier. I'd say we wait for a counter-claim but then again if I was the ranger I wouldn't fall for that and counter-claim. *shrugs* Anyway I don't believe Mac, not for a second.

[Isabellkya]

You are both Muties.

[Macalaure]

Nah, Macwolf, I just think you're trying to flush THEM out by that. If you were really the ranger, you would have revealed earlier. I'd say we wait for a counter-claim but then again if I was the ranger I wouldn't fall for that and counter-claim. *shrugs* Anyway I don't believe Mac, not for a second.
Why doesn't this surprise me? Maybe, just maybe, I didn't reveal earlier because a revealed ranger is a dead ranger? :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

You are both Muties.
Yes, he is.


edit: xed with Mac

[Thinlómien]

If you were the real ranger you'd have come out before your fate was decided and let us lynch someone else toDay. Good try Mac, but that's it.

And I was speaking of a counter-reveal... we have a lot of dead people who haven't been around for ages, a few modfired ones and even living ones who won't be around anymore. It is very probable there will be no counter-claim. So this is up to whether people believe Mac or not. I do not. I only see a wolf's last desperate attempt to cause mischief.

And it relieves me because now I don't have to eat my head because I'm pretty certain I was right about Mac.

[Macalaure]

If you were the real ranger you'd have come out before your fate was decided and let us lynch someone else toDay.

Last time before I came back and saw 5 votes against me, I had 3, with one possible retraction from Nerwen. I was very willing to take that chance compared to certain night death.

[Thinlómien]

Now it's what? Five votes and three possible retractions - Eönwë is asleep and there's no way you can fool me. If you manage to get all Boro, Nerwen and Izzy think you're the ranger and change their votes, you will not get lynched. So you're sadly not dead yet.

Well, tell me "ranger", who did you protect which Night? ;) Except for last Night, of course. :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

Heh, how I love the fact now that I don't have a vote... :smokin:

The interesting thing of course is that if you do not lynch Mac for being a ranger and he still lives toMorrow you'd be quite certain... unless - and that is what I meant in my first post a few hours ago - he's a cobbler among the thousands of you other cobblers around here. :)

Or unless the mutineers can afford playing with us innocents like cat with mice and let him live even if he's not one of them...

The sad thing is, that lynching Mac may get us rid of a baddie (and I should look at your case more clocely tomorrow Lommy to see whether I agree - I'd agree on the pretext of how he tried to lynch me all the time in the beginning and how he has tried to discredit anything I say up to this Day after that while I'm an innocent) but we will never know whether we lynched a baddie or our ranger...

Hmph... As I said, I'm glad I don't have to decide on this.

Hah, fun to be irresponsibly indecisive when there is nothing actually at stake any more as a ghost! I hope I'll be back toMorrow if I have time and interest to dive into this... but knowing nothing can be learned and nothing can be deduced... well it would take some willpower. Let's see if I find any. :p

[Thinlómien]

I think it would incredibly stupid to let him sweet-talk himself out of trouble toMorrow "oh the wolves didn't kill me 'cos they wanna frame me" and like I said I don't want another Day fighting him. Furthermore, if we start thinking of another lynch candidate now, it will be some really random lynch again and we're gonna waste it. I'm ready to take all the blame for our loss if he's the ranger but really if someone believes him they're nuts. Just think isn't that exactly what a dying wolf would want to do.

[Thinlómien]

Maybe it'd be good to let Mac live - you know, then I bet we'd get a Night with another unsent kill... :p :rolleyes: ;)

[Macalaure]

I guess people will want the list of my protections now, so here we go.

Night 2, even though I was still suspicious of Nogrod, I agreed with his point that the mutineers would likely kill someone who would likely fall silent when dead. My choice was Wilwa.
Night 3 I protected the quasi-known innocent Nerwen.
Night 4 I expected Rikae to be killed, so I chose Isabellkya pretty randomly.
Night 5 I repeated Nerwen, since I wasn't sure anymore that the mutineers were after Rikae.
Night 6, believe it or not, I protected Lommy. I still thought her more likely innocent than guilty, and her fixation on me would have made her a formidable wrong-trail Mac-setup kill.


Furthermore, if we start thinking of another lynch candidate now, it will be some really random lynch again and we're gonna waste it.

I have one or two very un-random suggestions ready. Wanna see? :)

[Thinlómien]

I have one or two very un-random suggestions ready. Wanna see? :)No, I wanna lynch you. You're pretty happy for a dead ranger. I know I must be mad but I will really sit here all night to ensure you are lynched, if needs be. I won't see you wriggle your way out of this. (The only option I'm willing to even consider is Shasta, but you don't want to lynch your fellow, right? :rolleyes: )

[Macalaure]

Nogrod, imagine the following scenario. You were still alive, and there is a ghosted bigshot player that offers what you are offering now. What would your words be for him? ;)

[Macalaure]

No, I wanna lynch you.

I quoted from you, but the message was really directed at everybody. I know very well that you won't change your vote - and least of all to yourself.

I can't believe that wolf is really the only person around...

[Macalaure]

You're pretty happy for a dead ranger.

Because I enjoy playing this game, especially for its more extreme situations. :)

edit: Yay - triple post.

[Thinlómien]

You have this village lynch me after I've offered them a wolf on a silver plate I'm going to eat my head and your head too.

edit: xed with Mac

[Thinlómien]

Yes you enjoy trying to flush out the ranger / get one more Day / make me stay up until 7am while I have to wake up at 8.

[Macalaure]

I didn't tell you you have to stay up that late, and I would definitely counsel against it, but you won't listen... little sisters :rolleyes:

My favourite alternatives would be:
You, Lommy,
Eonwe,
Gwath,
pretty much anybody else, I have to say, except Nerwen, since there are no other gifteds left.

[Thinlómien]

I said I'm only willing to consider Shasta.

Your case on Eönwë was useless. You know it. You didn't even have the guts to admit it.

What do we have in Gwath? Someone who will be modfired soon most likelily.

And me? You think I as a mutineer would stay all night to see a certain innocent lynched when there are so many to choose from? I'm not that crazy. I'd go now and let you lynch someone innocent or already dead. I would have gone hours ago, with lots of noise that you should lynch Mac and left it be.

[Thinlómien]

I'm going to sleep for an hour now but I'll be back then (some two hours before the deadline). Don't do anything stupid while I'm gone. Please.

[Boromir88]

This Lommy crusade is getting really scary...I've never seen it before, and really Lommy what are you trying to prove from going all out Mac? If he's a wolf you'll get full credit. This type of attack is beyond both being innocent, one is a wolf, or it's as Shasta says both are wolves.

Mac, anyone can think up names of who they protected, and reasons why. Did you leave any hints/clues from previous days, as Rikae did? It of course that isn't required from any gifted, but I'm usually pretty decent at picking up hints (or at least they are hints in my mind! :p) and it would help your claim if you did leave any.

[Macalaure]

Ah, I forgot your defense of Eonwe. You worked really hard to scrape the bottom of the barrel there. Respect.

I like the fact that he brought Inzy to spotlight and said he had been ignored by everyone yesterDay, even though his vote was a wasted one.

"Being under radar" is the only justification he ever gave to his votes (except on Day1 and with me today). And Inziladun was definitely not ignored by everyone. If Eonwe's vote had been valid, I would have joined him over voting Kath in a second.

A very good point, if I may say (although I disagree).

Indeed, and a very good hint for the cobblers. Seems like you should have read my case before defending him. :rolleyes:


Yes, he did make a few statements about different possibilities, most obvious or misleading, but the "under radar" points right before his votes are the only times he actually shared his thoughts on others. We are severely challenged to gather information and find connections between people. Eonwe intentionally makes it impossible to evaluate him.

[Macalaure]

I said I'm only willing to consider Shasta.

Thus he must be innocent. Not my first choice.

Your case on Eönwë was useless. You know it. You didn't even have the guts to admit it.

Courtesy, please, ok? :rolleyes:

And me? You think I as a mutineer would stay all night to see a certain innocent lynched when there are so many to choose from?

Staying up all night just so you won't have to deal with me one more day is more believable, that's true... wait :p

Did you leave any hints/clues from previous days, as Rikae did?

I'm afraid no. I suck at hints and usually end up revealed right away if I try. *recalls last game as cobbler...*

If nobody is willing to believe me, whatever...

[Nogrod]

Nogrod, imagine the following scenario. You were still alive, and there is a ghosted bigshot player that offers what you are offering now. What would your words be for him? ;)I think the 'Downs "politically Correct sensor" would **** up with my words... :)

But really, I wrote a 4½ pages of football commentary this evening / night for Arda Soccer tournament and will go to bed about immediately the time being 4.30AM here right now.

I have missed 1½ Days already totally and only skim-read this toDay (and yesterDay I was also just eyeing it) so sadly I have nothing very constructive to offer right now. If I get the inspiration, I will read this through tomorrow (eg. during the Night-phase) and will get into the thick of this on the next Day.

Not needing to be afraid for your life when it's already taken kind of lowers the motivation... and then needing to catch up a few Days of posting kind of raises the bar of getting involved even higher. But even if this game is just silly I wouldn't like to see myself as a quitter so let me promise I'll be back...

This Lommy crusade is getting really scary...I have to agree with this. It is weird. It could be honest or it could be twisted. But it is spectacular anyway! What would this game be without it? :)

But don't lynch Gwath! He is always lynched because he looks so darn suspicious everytime - and he mostly turns out innocent. And this time he is a) facing a modfire - or at least the threat of it, and b) the mutineers' decisions would make him look more good than evil.

And don't give me any more of that "let's lynch the one facing a modfire" -stuff. We need genuine lynches with the mutineers on the menu as well...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

No. No, no, no. Eonwe siding with Lommy makes me positive that Lommy is a mutineer and Eonwe either a fellow or a co-conspirator (more likely).

++Lommy

[Boromir88]

If nobody is willing to believe me, whatever...
Since I can I'm going to catch up on the reading...I don't think I've thoroughly read anything past page 19 or something. I remember you mentioning you would not spend the day defending yourself, and would try to step up your game, let's see. ;)

All I can guarantee you Mac, is since Nogrod hasn't riled me up and Lommy had this morning, but it's cool now, I'm in a clear mood right now. A good mood to actually read something openly, without any pre-judgements. (hmm maybe it was the recent ice cream I had...it was milky delicious and ice cream has a tendancy of making me CCC - cool, calm, collected. :p).

So, you will just have to settle for that at the time being ;)

[Macalaure]

I remember you mentioning you would not spend the day defending yourself, and would try to step up your game, let's see.

I did that, until I suddenly had 3 stupid votes on me. After looking at Eonwe I intended to look at Lommy, but that proved unnecessary since she's entirely evil in my mind by now.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

For what it's worth, I believe you, Mac. :)

[Macalaure]

1 for Gwath and 1 for Lommy. Gwath would indeed not be the best of things, since he has to be modfired eventually. Lynching Lommy would be my preference, since she's most evil, but since she's around and in a fury, it will probably be most difficult.

For what it's worth, I believe you, Mac. :)You have no idea how good that feels, after all that defending today. :)

[Isabellkya]

I am the Ranger.
And here is why...

[enter Big long post pointing out every single clue, and reasons why I am the Ranger]











*giggles*


Sorry, could not help myself.
I'm not the Ranger. Nor any Gifted. Nor Cobblie, nor Mutie.

The only "stupid" votes on you Mac - are Nerwen's and Eonwe's.

Lommy has become a Zealot. I think you are both Mutie's.


X'd with Mac.

[Macalaure]

Izzy, if you think that we are both mutineers, then why don't you retract your vote to her? It has to be the same for you, and if today turns out into a race between me and her, there's nothing to be lost from your perspective.

I don't think Eonwe's vote was stupid, just predictable...

[Isabellkya]

Only one person can deliver Mutineers on a silver platter.


X'd with Mac.

[Isabellkya]

Huh.
I don't quite understand what you are saying.

I should retract and vote Lommy?

"It has to be the same for you, and if today turns out into a race between me and her, there's nothing to be lost from your perspective."

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Izzy, even if you think Mac and Lommy are both mutineers (a view I solidly endorsed until about half an hour ago), wouldn't it be better to lynch Lommy first on the off-chance (in your opinion) that Mac is the ranger?

[Inziladun]

It really is interesting looking at this from the other side, with the pressure to vote gone. ;)
After all this toDay though, it's a shame I can't have more of an impact.
Mac I'd been suspecting for a while, but I wonder now if some of it wasn't due to the Force of Lommy. You may be right, Lommy, but honestly the fanaticism is a bit unnerving.
And Mith! Despite the fact that we apparently do have more cobblers than anything this game :rolleyes:, I have to question her now. I simply don't buy that Gwath was the best she could come up with.
All down to Izzy now? This should be good!

[Macalaure]

What Shasta said.

You think we are both wolves, so which one of us dies shouldn't matter to you. If Lommy isn't a wolf, she's an ordo, if I'm not a wolf, I'm the ranger. That makes Lommy a better choice.

But regardless, if we're not both wolves, which scenario do you think is more likely: that only I'm a wolf, or that only she's a wolf. That's what you should consider.

[Nogrod]

If Lommy isn't a wolf, she's an ordo, if I'm not a wolf, I'm the ranger. That makes Lommy a better choice.:D

[satansaloser2005]

I second Noggie's giggling. This is getting too interesting.


Popcorn, darling?

[Nogrod]

Popcorn, darling?Thanks but no thanks... I really need to go to sleep now... But if you ask me tomorrow I'll say yes. :)

G'night!

[Boromir88]

You may have to defend yourself some more Mac, because I'm just going to go through your posts today, and look at what you said. Don't know what I will find, but just saying...:)

Kath seemed to make most sense (least nonsense?), but I had a very bad feeling.~774
Very bad? That's kind of a wierd statement...if you're the Ranger, what caused the "very bad" feeling about Kath's lynching? Maybe we are running out of time, but if you are the Ranger, you should not be worried about mistakingly lynching a giftedm and if you had any suspicion on her...why the "very bad" feeling?

My gut feeling says McCaber, Wilwa, and Kath are probably innocent~784
But didn't you vote for Kath and then retract? You had to be suspicious of her, why would that previous suspicion by voting for her suddenly make you believe today she is probably innocent?

Lommy's boldness today gives me a bad feeling about our numbers. This is the way wolves start to behave when they're one wrong lynch away from sweeping a village.~824
Hmm...not sure I agree, but this really isn't a point as to whether you are the Ranger or not. I'm just saying, that Lommy's aggressiveness after you is something I have never seen from her. So I have no idea whether she is innocent, or wolf...what I do know is she is more confident you are a wolf than I have ever seen. But why would that reveal anything about mutineer numbers?

Mith, please consider carefully - another vote for me would pretty much seal my fate, and we're very probably at most 2 wrong lynches away from defeat. If you're not sure - there are other options, and you can still lynch me tomorrow if you want to. What is your opinion of Eonwe, for example?~849
The 1st part looks pretty innocent...at least if you're the Ranger, because you're telling someone else to consider their vote or your fate is seal. But the second part...if we're at most 2 wrong lynches away, and you're the Ranger, what good would lynching you tomorrow do us?

I probably should just say, if anyone's up I probably cross-posted. :D

Edit: Oh and all quotes are from Mac

[satansaloser2005]

Thanks but no thanks... I really need to go to sleep now... But if you ask me tomorrow I'll say yes. :)

G'night!


I believe for you it IS tomorrow. But I'll save you some anyway. :)

Sleep well!

[Macalaure]

Nog, please. I was putting myself into Izzy's position, and from that position it is "if". Don't be ridiculous.

[Thinlómien]

If Lommy isn't a wolf, she's an ordo,Nice to know. ;)

Anybody, if you have something to ask me, please go forth. I will do my best to help. I'm not raging mad - on the opposite, you can try to talk to me. I alredy said I can switch my vote to Shasta if really needs be.

I know my attack on Mac must have seen weird and over the top, but don't think it was random. I wouldn't have gone so far, I wouldn't be awake now if I didn't have a good reason to suspect him.


edit: mass-xed

[Thinlómien]

Mac you forget the possibility that someone would think you a cobbler. It's not like the only possibility is that you're a mutineer but you are evil for sure.

[Macalaure]

Very bad? That's kind of a wierd statement...if you're the Ranger, what caused the "very bad" feeling about Kath's lynching? Maybe we are running out of time, but if you are the Ranger, you should not be worried about mistakingly lynching a giftedm and if you had any suspicion on her...why the "very bad" feeling?

That one had nothing to do with rangerness. Have you never been in the situation where voting someone would make logical sense, but it still doesn't feel right?

But didn't you vote for Kath and then retract? You had to be suspicious of her, why would that previous suspicion by voting for her suddenly make you believe today she is probably innocent?

Probably bad conscience. I have actually flip-flopped on that again by now. She could maybe have been a wolf with Lommy.

Hmm...not sure I agree, but this really isn't a point as to whether you are the Ranger or not. I'm just saying, that Lommy's aggressiveness after you is something I have never seen from her. So I have no idea whether she is innocent, or wolf...what I do know is she is more confident you are a wolf than I have ever seen. But why would that reveal anything about mutineer numbers?

If she's a wolf, which I have no doubt about, then her aggressiveness could come to bite her after my death. It only makes sense to pull it off if the village has no time to come and bite you. Therefore, the wolf numbers must be high - that together with possibly living cobblers would make this attack a very good tactic. The fact that the roles aren't revealed makes it even more so, a lot.

But the second part...if we're at most 2 wrong lynches away, and you're the Ranger, what good would lynching you tomorrow do us?

Give me another day and another protection, of course.


crossed with Lommy

[Macalaure]

Mac you forget the possibility that someone would think you a cobbler.Maybe I forgot it because I'm not one?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Sidenote: I'm not going to bother defending myself against Lomwolf because she doesn't have one iota of a case. Sorry, darling.

[Thinlómien]

You really think I'd stay up more or less all night because of you if I was a mutineer? Like I said, I'm not that bad. Trust me I'd not be so picky, I'd go to sleep and not draw attention to myself like this. I'm not utterly stupid. A mutineer would be happy with a majority of the lynch choices. And I could have given up without losing my face, I could just have gone to sleep and told everybody they should lynch you meanwhile. I had the majority's trust. Do you think I would have started playing on it just to get a random innocent lynched? No, I'm not stupid.

Maybe I forgot it because I'm not one?That is quite probable. I was just pointing out there was a hole in your logic.


edit: xed with Shasta well I will have a case toMorrow if we lynch that wretched Mac now, I promise

[Nogrod]

I was putting myself into Izzy's position, and from that position it is "if". Don't be ridiculous.Nope. I can see you doing it that way - and if you're an innocent it should be clear. But somehow the wording of it and the way you put it just made me raise my eyebrow... just listen to it once more... If Lommy isn't a wolf, she's an ordo, if I'm not a wolf, I'm the ranger. So simple. You tell others they have either an ordo / mutineer or a ranger / mutineer and therefore the others should not pick you? You can't be real thinking people would take it at the face value, really... But the way you put it... Hmm... made me laugh when I saw it first, now makes me wonder as you thought it important enough to comment on one smilie.

But the second part...if we're at most 2 wrong lynches away, and you're the Ranger, what good would lynching you tomorrow do us?That might be read as a trial to make one more protection on the coming Night or / and to postpone one's fate for one Day to be able then to defend oneself better on the next... but I think you've hit into something here Boro - even if I still can't rid myself from the idea that you and Lommy are wolves together... a stronger feeling I have on Mac's guilt. But that's just a feeling at the moment. I'll try to explain more toMorrow.

But argumentwise you seem to be on to something here. There is a contradiction between the phases A and B; the urgency of the A ("another vote for me would pretty much seal my fate, and we're very probably at most 2 wrong lynches away from defeat") sending the message that I'm too important for you to lose so think again, and the "nevermind-attitude" of the B ("you can still lynch me tomorrow if you want to"). Add to that the fast turning of the subject - phase C ("What is your opinion of Eonwe, for example?") - and one has a pretty awkward post in front of one.

It's tough to be a ranger but this just doesn't look genuine.

Which brought me into the next question... why hasn't Mac asked that you do not vote for him because he's the ranger and thence - with the "revealment" - dead meat toMorrow anyway (or did he do it?).

I have no time to go back and see how did it go. But rest assured, if he said that he might be true, but if he did not, then lynch him, pronto. A real ranger would not miss that fact but a fake one might just not come to think about it..

[Macalaure]

I was just pointing out there was a hole in your logic.Not really. Since you could, in theory, be one, too, I merely ignored uninteresting cases.

[Thinlómien]

He didn't do it.

[Isabellkya]

If I'm just a probable Cobbler or Mutie to you; then my vote matters not.

A Mutineer is a Mutineer - no matter how you slice 'em up. (or what order they go in.)

You think you can pull the argument... lynch Lommy first and her death will PROVE your Rangership? Nut uh. Not possible. Unless she comes back for second deaths.


oh Shasta - I never said I believed Mac's claim as Ranger.


X'd with Nog, Mac, and Lommy.
Edit 2. An S went AWOL.

[Thinlómien]

Not really. Since you could, in theory, be one, too, I merely ignored uninteresting cases.
In theory I could be anything. Anything except the hunter.

edit: xed with Izzy

[Macalaure]

Who's still left?

Eonwe and Mith will not come back, and I don't expect Gwath to show up (not to mention that I wouldn't expect him to vote against his fellow). Apart from Gwath, the only outstanding vote is mine. Without retractions, we have: Mac 5, Lommy 2. I need two retractions out of you three, Boro, Nerwen, and Izzy. Pretty please? :)

[Thinlómien]

I merely ignored uninteresting cases.So who's the populist here? :p

edit: xed with Mac

[Isabellkya]

If Nerwen returns, she probably will. So she can keep on trying to look innocent. xD

[Boromir88]

That one had nothing to do with rangerness. Have you never been in the situation where voting someone would make logical sense, but it still doesn't feel right?~Mac
Yes, but you just said if Lommy's not a wolf, we will only be losing an innocent. And if you really are the Ranger, why the fear in lynching Kath? That's what I'm trying to point out, as an ordo I always fear mistakingly lynching a gifted, but as one of the gifteds I always feel more confident and aggressive in my voting, as I know I'm one of the gifteds. I'm just saying it looks like you were trying to strike up fear in lynching Kath, but if you're really the Ranger you should not be fearing the lynch would go "very bad."

If she's a wolf, which I have no doubt about, then her aggressiveness could come to bite her after my death. It only makes sense to pull it off if the village has no time to come and bite you. Therefore, the wolf numbers must be high - that together with possibly living cobblers would make this attack a very good tactic. The fact that the roles aren't revealed makes it even more so, a lot.
Or we're not doing bad afterall and desperation is setting in? I'm waiting for Lommy's response to my question earlier, until I answer that more fully. Plus Gwath's mod-fire might play into the wolf strategy, if he is one...hmm

Give me another day and another protection, of course.
Ahh got it...I was thinking if you really believe we don't have many days left, and we miss-lynch today, what's the point in giving you another day and lynching you tomorrow? You must be pretty confident than you won't be night killed?

[Macalaure]

If I'm just a probable Cobbler or Mutie to you; then my vote matters not.

Your vote counts as 1, like everybody else's. I don't care about your possible role right now.

You think you can pull the argument... lynch Lommy first and her death will PROVE your Rangership?

Never claimed that it will prove anything. Just claimed that, from your point of view, it's logical to proceed in this order.

[Thinlómien]

If Nerwen returns, she probably will. So she can keep on trying to look innocent. xDWell, she won't look innocent in my books after that. Or I don't know who'd think her more innocent because of that. Mac is threatened to the corner and he made the only bluff that has a chance of saving his life and if someone believes it I say everything's not quite right with their common sense.

edit: xed with Boro and Mac

[Isabellkya]

But the fact is, I'm the only one here in Izzy's point of view.
Soo.. xD

You are a mutineer Lommy.
Common Sense is relative.

[Thinlómien]

Boro - you asked me a question? I must've missed it and didn't find upon skimming your recent posts for it.

edit: xed with Izzy - I've already explained why it doesn't make any sense at all that I'm a mutineer and I won't parrot myself anymore... just as long as you vote Mac I'm happy

[Inziladun]

got it...I was thinking if you really believe we don't have many days left, and we miss-lynch today, what's the point in giving you another day and lynching you tomorrow? You must be pretty confident than you won't be night killed?

That's a good point. No self-saves from the Ranger this game. Nothing would
save the real one ToNight.

[Thinlómien]

Lo, Mac is able to"talk himself into the bag" (like you'd say in Finnish) even without my help. ;)

[Isabellkya]

--Mac

Perhaps toMorrow then.

[Macalaure]

That's what I'm trying to point out, as an ordo I always fear mistakingly lynching a gifted, but as one of the gifteds I always feel more confident and aggressive in my voting, as I know I'm one of the gifteds. I'm just saying it looks like you were trying to strike up fear in lynching Kath, but if you're really the Ranger you should not be fearing the lynch would go "very bad."

The chances of lynching a gifted are not really that much better when you're gifted yourself. Unless my gift gives me extra knowledge, I'm not more confident in my choices.

We might have a different idea of "very bad". I didn't mean it in a lynch-gifted kind of way, it just expressed my feelings at the time.

Plus Gwath's mod-fire might play into the wolf strategy, if he is one...hmm

Hmmmm! I didn't think about that at all! :eek: If Gwath is indeed a wolf, then the wolves are in dire risk of losing one of their own. That means either that the wolves aren't doing that well after all, or that Gwath is innocent, in which case the wolves have even more reason to be optimistic.

crossed with everyone since my last.

[Boromir88]

Lommy.

This Lommy crusade is getting really scary...I've never seen it before, and really Lommy what are you trying to prove from going all out Mac? If he's a wolf you'll get full credit.

Basically I've never seen this kind of play from you before, so I can't tell whether you're an innocent or wolf...and want to know why you're changing up your game significantly? :)

[Thinlómien]

Izzy you freaking cobbler! I think Boro just brought a point that more or less proves Mac can't be the real ranger and you retract. Holy cow. If I was you and I was innocent I'd vote him again pretty quickly.

edit: xed with Mac and Boro

[Nogrod]

You people still around (except Mac an Lommy): check whether what Lommy says is true or not.

A ranger knows that when he reveals he will be dead the next Night as there will be no one to protect him and there probably aren't any "good-cobblers" - whatever they might be - to pull that kind of trick to protect someone they think is the real ranger...

If Mac is the ranger he would have used that claim: "don't lynch me as it would be an innocent life wasted as I'm dead anyway the coming Night now that I was forced to reveal myself" or whatever. Like: "try to get a baddie for your lynch and not me". And the next Day would prove him right if he was one - and even if the mutineers toyed with him and did not kill him during the Night he could save someone on the coming Night and the lynch toDay would be one without the ranger at stake.

But if he didn't make that point as Lommy says but tried to defend himself other ways, then I'd say lynch him for good. You'll get a mutineer there. A mutineer pretending to be the ranger might forget these things...

EDIT: X'd with a hundred posts... it looks like we're near the end as the posting is this feverish! THe mutineers are online en masse...

[Isabellkya]

What point would that be?

X'd with Nog.

[Inziladun]

There was this.

Why doesn't this surprise me? Maybe, just maybe, I didn't reveal earlier because a revealed ranger is a dead ranger? :rolleyes:

[Isabellkya]

Why would he use that claim Nog?
Is it not obvious in any game where a non-self protecting Ranger reveals?

[Thinlómien]

Lommy.
Basically I've never seen this kind of play from you before, so I can't tell whether you're an innocent or wolf...and want to know why you're changing up your game significantly? :)It wasn't a conscious decision. I just decided to stick to a decision for once. It may be even partly the fault of your psychologising but I decided I have to trust my judgement (well, and Rikae's) and I must have him dead before he kills us all. I confess I've acted more confident than I've been at times, but that ranger claim really was the last nail to Mac's coffin. Others have proven it's inconsistent, I will only say I was expecting it all along, I'd knew he'd try it so when he did I knew I had been right all along.


edit: xed with the three i's

[Boromir88]

You know what's funny Inziladun, when I was on you about contesting Rikae's claim, that is what I told you, didn't I? ;)

Sorry Nogrod, I'm not going to look at anything you say about this, because I still aint trusting you.

We might have a different idea of "very bad". I didn't mean it in a lynch-gifted kind of way, it just expressed my feelings at the time.~Mac
Possibly, and I will say I'm not even looking at what Lommy will be saying about you the last hr and a half, or whatever, because it will be so one-sided it won't tell me anything.

[Thinlómien]

It's 6am so my brain is a little porrdigy, I just realised I phrased that rather self-contradictingly. I just mean I never thought "ha, I'll be aggressive this time" but rather as the game went on I was like "I'm not stopping suspecting Mac just because others don't suspect him".

edit: xed with Boro - Nog has a point there, he's merely saying that a real ranger would have told us not to lynch him because he'll die anyway and he asked if Mac has done this and he hasn't

[Macalaure]

Alright, I messed up there. It's late here, too. I didn't read properly. Forget what I replied to this before (though Lommy will predictably not and ramble about me talking myself into bags).

But the second part...if we're at most 2 wrong lynches away, and you're the Ranger, what good would lynching you tomorrow do us?

As with Izzy, I was putting myself into Mith's position. For her, lynching me today or tomorrow doesn't make much of a difference, but for me, it would save my life (if only very briefly), and for the village it gives a chance to lynch a baddie.

[Inziladun]

I have to go to bed myself. Let's see what the morning brings.
Vote well, shipmates. For what its worth, right or wrong, mine would probably be for Mac.

[Thinlómien]

As with Izzy, I was putting myself into Mith's position. For her, lynching me today or tomorrow doesn't make much of a difference, but for me, it would save my life (if only very briefly), and for the village it gives a chance to lynch a baddie.Yes and if you really were the ranger, you'd certainly be alive toMorrow. :rolleyes:

[Macalaure]

but that ranger claim really was the last nail to Mac's coffin.

How many last nails does my coffin have? Are you actually implying that you still had a doubt before? ;)

Others have proven it's inconsistent

Aha? I think you're inventing your own facts, like the one that my case against Eonwe was oh so useless.

[Boromir88]

It wasn't a conscious decision. I just decided to stick to a decision for once. It may be even partly the fault of your psychologising but I decided I have to trust my judgement (well, and Rikae's) and I must have him dead before he kills us all. I confess I've acted more confident than I've been at times, but that ranger claim really was the last nail to Mac's coffin. Others have proven it's inconsistent, I will only say I was expecting it all along, I'd knew he'd try it so when he did I knew I had been right all along.


Sure just go ahead and blame me for it... :p

I was going to add this, but decided not to until you answered, because if you were a wolf I didn't want to just feed an answer to you. :rolleyes:

I remember too when you returned, I said you looked really innocent based on one of your flip-floppy posts and that's when I started my tp treatment, or psychoanalyzing. Anyway, I woud have imagined wolf-Lommy would have kept up that performance if it was making you feel innocent.

Doesn't mean you aren't a cobbler-Lommy now though who is trying to protect a wolf by causing such a stir about Mac...hmm but would cobbler-Lommy be up this late and going off a few hours of sleep? Probably not.

[Nogrod]

Sorry Nogrod, I'm not going to look at anything you say about this, because I still aint trusting you.Nope, because you're a mutineer with Lommy?

I just can't rid myself from that idea... I'll hope the game isn't going to end to this lynch right here toDay. The fever with which Lommy denies her sleep to one hour (knowing her habits of sleeping a lot) just gives me the shivers... So there are enough mutineers left to end this game for good toDay getting an innocent lynched? That would explain a lot.

And btw. why wouldn't you wish to look at some arguments if you were a goodie? There is a chance from you perspective then that I'm an innocent and I might have good points to offer. What you say looks more wolvish, mutineerish that is.

Gah... lynch Boro, lynch Lommy, lynch everyone!

[Macalaure]

Very much off topic, but I can't fathom how anyone, regardless of role or game situation, could deprive him- or herself of all sleep over a game. :eek:

[Thinlómien]

How many last nails does my coffin have? Are you actually implying that you still had a doubt before? ;)Errr quite many. :D

Aha? I think you're inventing your own facts, like the one that my case against Eonwe was oh so useless.It was useless! And you can't claim Nogrod and especially Boro have had good points that disprove your claim.

Sure just go ahead and blame me for it...I'm just offering you a crumb of the glory. ;)

Doesn't mean you aren't a cobbler-Lommy now though who is trying to protect a wolf by causing such a stir about Mac...hmm but would cobbler-Lommy be up this late and going off a few hours of sleep? Probably not.I think the main thing that disproves my cobblerism is the fact that I attacked Mac so strongly so early and stuck to it, so basically Mac would have had to play very innocentishly to provoke such reaction from me, and he wasn't surely doing that. A cobbler-me wouldn't have tried so hard to get him lynched if there was any chance he was evil.


edit: xed with Nogrod and Mac

[Boromir88]

And btw. why wouldn't you wish to look at some arguments if you were a goodie?~Nogrod
Let's see I voted for you because I thought you were a mutineer...and I said I still aint trusting you? Good enough.

You go after Lommy about her sleep habbits, but you're doing a mighty job yourself hanging around late (err well wee hours in the morning) to offer your 2 cents. It's hard to trust your an ordo, or that you seriously don't care what happens (as you have said over and over) with your late activities.

If you are trying to sincerely help as an innocent, you know I will eat my and figuritively eat your shoe after this, but your insistance you really don't care but still hanging around does not make me trust in anyway.

[Nerwen]

Back. Reading.

[Nogrod]

I think the main thing that disproves my cobblerism is the fact that I attacked Mac so strongly so early and stuck to it, so basically Mac would have had to play very innocentishly to provoke such reaction from me, and he wasn't surely doing that. A cobbler-me wouldn't have tried so hard to get him lynched if there was any chance he was evil.But a mutineer-you could have done it, especially in a game where no roles were revealed with the death. It would be safe to try it for once in this particular game... :eek: :p

[Thinlómien]

Hey you silly people, I can always sleep tomorrow. It's not like a horrenduous sacrifice. :D It is maybe unwise, it is an overt measure over such a thing as ww, but I felt I wanted to do it. I wanted to ansure Mac's death more than sleep.

And Nogrod in order for this game to end with a mislynch toDay all the mutineers would have to be alive and the ranger'd have to be dead or miss a protection.


edit: xed with the 3

[Thinlómien]

But a mutineer-you could have done it, especially in a game where no roles were revealed with the death. It would be safe to try it for once in this particular game... :eek: :pYes but do you want me to repeat why it'd make zero sense for a mutineer-me to act this way? :rolleyes:

[Isabellkya]

While you were glued to Mac, you pretty much ignored everyone else.

++Lommy.

I'm tired, and really don't want to get keyboard face.

[Boromir88]

Nogrod...alright seriously though, I don't want to get into another sparring match with you at this point in the DL, let's save it for another time. ;)

I do want to ask you something though, if I said Lommy looked oh so sweet and innocent, and couldn't possibly be a wolf based on the innocent feel of her posts what would you say?

[Macalaure]

I guess it's either Lommy or nobody, so:

++Thinlómien

[Thinlómien]

Thanks Izzy for judging me innocent. ;)

[Isabellkya]

Is that sarcasm?

I really can't tell.

[Thinlómien]

It's now up to whether Nerwen retracts or not, right?

[Nogrod]

You go after Lommy about her sleep habbits, but you're doing a mighty job yourself hanging around late (err well wee hours in the morning) to offer your 2 cents. It's hard to trust your an ordo, or that you seriously don't care what happens (as you have said over and over) with your late activities.
You've played with me enough to know my habits... I do stay up late... erm... early... when I'm interested in something. And I can sleep the whole day today if I wish to, whereas Lommy is going to take a 500 km trip in a few hours... Okay, enough of that.

Yeah, I told quite sincerely I was not able to say anything as I was lagging on reading this game and I had some Arda football things to write (which kind of went outr of hand with their scope) and felt not too interested in this as I was anyway just a ghost whose words most people just dissed right away as unsure.

But as I was free to go to sleep I saw there were interesting discussions going on, and onmes I thought I could really give my two cents on. And as the time went on it started to feel even more urgent as I'm now afraid this gsame is going to end to this lynch... There is such a buzz and hassle around that it can only point to the mutineers trying to win it for good now. Not toMorrow or at some distant future, but now. And that ties me to the computer right now - even if I don't know what I could do as I'm pretty much baffled myself about what's going on...

If you are trying to sincerely help as an innocent, you know I will eat my and figuritively eat your shoe after thisMake the marinade ready comrade... you're not going to swallow it easy it seems, but I want a pic to prove that you did it.

[Isabellkya]

Not quite exactly like that Lommy, but close.

[Thinlómien]

Nogrod, first you say that if Mac didn't make the point he's guilty. You're told he did not make it. You stick to vague phrases like "the baddies are trying to win toDay". Hang on, what's the point?

edit: xed with Izzy - what do you mean? oh yes Boro can retract too but he doesn't exactly look like he's believeing the ranger who says he will be alive toMorrow if we don't lynch him and repeatedly ignores when he's asked about it...

[Macalaure]

Boro, have you made up your mind to stick with your vote?

[Boromir88]

Oh and I will just say I'm not going to retract. Based on the fact that I just don't buy the reveal. He pretty much took my words that I told to Inziladun as to why Rikae's claim was real. Maybe we have a different definition of "very bad," maybe we don't. Still I don't know how you vote for someone and then determine bad feelings about the lynch, if you know you're the Ranger and are pretty sure about being the only gifted left.

Mac has used me and completely fooled me in the past when I have not had teh guts to act on my suspicion.

Lommy has yet to do that to me, and if she has fooled me. I will apologize to all fellow innocents about making a "stupid" decision. And to Lommy, you can bet you will only get this one, I would challenge you to try and fool me again. :p

[Macalaure]

You're told he did not make it.:confused:

[Macalaure]

And thus it is up to Nerwen only.

[Thinlómien]

You didn't tell us not to lynch you because you'd be dead anyway as you'd die in the Night.

[Thinlómien]

You'll see, hopefully soon, that I did not fool you Boro...

[Macalaure]

You didn't tell us not to lynch you because you'd be dead anyway as you'd die in the Night.

Yes, I did, and Inziladun pointed it out.

[Thinlómien]

I'm getting nervous. I don't think a sensible innocent would buy Mac's not so water-tight revelation, but Nerwen is known for quick turns and she may be a cobbler. And an extra element of suspense is that she has a bad habit of missing the DL...

edit xed

[Nerwen]

Well, one thing's clear:

Izzy is even more obviously a cobbler... see her trying to guess which of Mac and Lommy is really the wolf.

If Nerwen returns, she probably will. So she can keep on trying to look innocent. xD

Well, she won't look innocent in my books after that. Or I don't know who'd think her more innocent because of that. Mac is threatened to the corner and he made the only bluff that has a chance of saving his life and if someone believes it I say everything's not quite right with their common sense.

These two posts are giving me the creeps somewhat... like it's blackmail. I don't vote to "look innocent".

As for Mac– well, yes, Lommy's right: a cornered wolf claiming to b a gifted is hardly out of the ordinary! However... well, what if he is the Ranger? You're very quick to dismiss that possibility.

EDIT: X'd with a host.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm getting nervous. I don't think a sensible innocent would buy Mac's not so water-tight revelation, but Nerwen is known for quick turns and she may be a cobbler. And an extra element of suspense is that she has a bad habit of missing the DL...

edit xed


You don't think she'd miss the kill, do you?

*thinks*

When we were wolves together (in another game, mind) she was pretty good about such things, so I doubt it, but anything is possible.



You're getting nervous, I'm getting more popcorn. This is suspenseful and yet at the same time I can't do anything about it, so there's no pressure for me. Lovely.

[Thinlómien]

It doesn't count. If you were the ranger it would have been on your mind so much that you would not have left it to one sarcastic throw at my direction, but really said it clearly.

edit: xed with Sally and Nerwen

[Isabellkya]

Why should a revealed Ranger have to say that?
Most often, that is the case.

Do revealed Rangers always do that, when they can't protect themselves?
I highly doubt so. So why is it even a base for an argument now?

What do you think is going to happen Lommy? That Brin will reveal Mac's role upon death and "prove you right"?


Nerwen is not an innocent...


X'd with Nerwen. Sally, and Lommy.

[Nogrod]

And Nogrod in order for this game to end with a mislynch toDay all the mutineers would have to be alive and the ranger'd have to be dead or miss a protection.Who says that couldn't be the case? We know absolutely nothing! And if you manage to lynch the ranger toDay he surely misses it the next Night. ;)

Nogrod, first you say that if Mac didn't make the point he's guilty. You're told he did not make it. You stick to vague phrases like "the baddies are trying to win toDay". Hang on, what's the point?I'm a ghost already. I don't need to care if I live or die because I'm dead already... so I can talk my mind freely. I agree that Mac looks the most suspicious with things to point straight at... but I just feel soo bad about you and Boro right now.

Why be that nervous about the issue when it looks pretty clear? Mac will be lynched anyway. It looks like life and death issue to you... One solution is, you guys win if you get Mac lynched toDay...

Okay I have said this now (and a few times before this I think).

if I said Lommy looked oh so sweet and innocent, and couldn't possibly be a wolf based on the innocent feel of her posts what would you say?
Well she is sweet and mostly innocent (daddy speaking). I agree. But the innocent feel of her posts can be faked as well. On top of being sweet and lovely she's also good in this game... Just reminding you.

[Thinlómien]

If he's the ranger then it's my mistake and you are all welcome to neg-rep me. But after the discussion after his reveal it should be obvious to others than me too that he's not.

edit xed

[Shastanis Althreduin]

For what it's worth, Lommy is much more likely to miss a kill than Mac, based on timezones alone.

[Boromir88]

sally...whether you're baddie or not...I absolutely love you as a ghost. I want you to pretend you're a ghost in all future WW's. :D

[Macalaure]

It doesn't count. If you were the ranger it would have been on your mind so much that you would not have left it to one sarcastic throw at my direction, but really said it clearly.

Don't be ridiculous. You should be able to guess from my (too?) late reveal, that just staying alive was not the first thing on my mind all the time.

[Isabellkya]

Hehehe.

Miss Nerwen, I'm quite capable of speaking for myself.
I've stated my thoughts quite plainly.
Quit trying to put words into my mouth. xD


X'd with Shasta, Boro, and Mac.