TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them?

[Rikae]

phantom, you have conveniently left out the possibility that you and/or Hakon are evil. If somebody engages in behavior I consider pointless, I have to ask myself... well, let me put it this way:
either you are a liar or you're crazy. I know from past experience you aren't crazy, therefore you must be a liar.
The option that you are God is not viable in this case. :p

[Rikae]

Ahh, one more thing before I depart. Fea has to part company from all of us. She will be killed at the end of the day. And her role will be revealed then.
Aw, that's too bad. :(

[satansaloser2005]

phantom, you have conveniently left out the possibility that you and/or Hakon are evil. If somebody engages in behavior I consider pointless, I have to ask myself... well, let me put it this way:
either you are a liar or you're crazy. I know from past experience you aren't crazy, therefore you must be a liar.
The option that you are God is not viable in this case. :p

I wish I hadn't repped you so recently, because that last bit is gold. :D

And Phantom is crazy, remember? Even when he's an ordo. Doesn't mean I trust him, but I know he's a nutjob so I'm not going to automatically assume he's going to drive down here and kill me in my sleep. At least not tonight; I won't be home. :)

[mormegil]

Aw, Fea. :(

Perhaps I'll vote for her. Low risk.

I don't think a vote for Fea is a wise thing to do and it will quickly make me suspicious for anybody that does vote for her.

[the phantom]

phantom, you have conveniently left out the possibility that you and/or Hakon are evil.
And what exactly would we stand to gain by suggesting that the Bear kill Villains? Being evil has nothing to do with this.
If somebody engages in behavior I consider pointless, I have to ask myself...
You may think our idea is pointless, but your objections are certainly just as pointless. Call it even then.
The option that you are God is not viable in this case.
That's what you think.
I'm not going to automatically assume he's going to drive down here and kill me in my sleep.
Quite right, so be nice. :p
Agreeing with phantom makes me uneasy, but in this case I do. What did he really say at the beginning, but 'Hey Bear, you might want to help us out a bit in looking for wolves; after all they're looking to kill you too'?
If the bear agrees, fine. If not, we'll just have to deal with it.
I don't see the problem.
Yay, Inzil.

[Rikae]

I'd generally advocate voting for the doomed player to prolong the game and allow more time for discussion on which to base our lynches, but in this case, it seems like a bad idea. The baddies have two kills per night (unless Fea is the werebear!) so delay is going to set us back more. We need to try and get the number of Night kills down asap, and we won't do that by lynching Fea.

[satansaloser2005]

Erm....I think he was kidding. Right, Phantom?

[the phantom]

I don't think a vote for Fea is a wise thing to do and it will quickly make me suspicious for anybody that does vote for her.
Why? At least we wouldn't off a gifted that way.

I admit that it would be somewhat cowardly, but surely you can understand the urge that an innocent might have to cut losses? It's not playing properly perhaps, but to say that it is actually suspicious...

Is it any worse than a ++no vote?

[satansaloser2005]

Why? At least we wouldn't off a gifted that way.

I admit that it would be somewhat cowardly, but surely you can understand the urge that an innocent might have to cut losses? It's not playing properly perhaps, but to say that it is actually suspicious...

Is it any worse than a ++no vote?

Fair point, actually. But I think it'd be weird. Just sayin'. I mean I'm not going to vote you for it, but I'm not supporting it either.


Anyway, back to business. I have to vote in like an hour. Someone give me a reason not to vote Hakon. ;)

[Rikae]

I've made my worst mistakes in werewolf because of my tendency to assume that if anyone I consider especially intelligent does something illogical, they must be evil. I am really fighting the impulse to do that now.

(Other players may note that if I suspect them for being illogical, they can take it as a compliment. ;))

[mormegil]

It is an exceptionally safe vote that doesn't leave any sort of trail of evidence. Because once it is decided that Fea will be voted for it gives far too easy a way for wolves/bear to hide.

[Rikae]

Why? At least we wouldn't off a gifted that way.

I admit that it would be somewhat cowardly, but surely you can understand the urge that an innocent might have to cut losses? It's not playing properly perhaps, but to say that it is actually suspicious...

Is it any worse than a ++no vote?

You've seen me argue for just that before, I think - but in this case, this innocent has a far stronger urge to reduce the baddies' numbers as soon as possible. Perhaps it's because I think we have a good chance of lynching one toDay, for some reason... though I can't quite say why.

[Hakon]

You've seen me argue for just that before, I think - but in this case, this innocent has a far stronger urge to reduce the baddies' numbers as soon as possible. Perhaps it's because I think we have a good chance of lynching one toDay, for some reason... though I can't quite say why.

Maybe its because in the last two games a werewolf was lynched on day one. Let us hope it is the same here.

[the phantom]

Ah, so it's mainly the lack of an evidence trail that you don't like. I see.

I agree with that, but I'm also the paranoid type who fears the worst.

In WW III for instance I suggested that some Ordo volunteer to be lynched due to the fact that we had a host of useful gifteds that could win the game for us and I didn't want them dead immediately.

No one volunteered and my idea was looked at as being very suspicious.

We lynched our Ranger Day 1.

Anyway, I'm not saying lynching Fea is the best option, but what if we were to make sure she had at least a couple votes? That way if, near the deadline, the person who moves into the lead says, "No, I'm the Ranger!" and is sufficiently believable, we have an alternate target to pour our votes onto without the fear that we're switching from the Ranger to the Seer (or being fooled by a baddie).

I doubt I'll actually vote for her, but I wouldn't be opposed to her gaining two votes or so.

[Rikae]

Maybe its because in the last two games a werewolf was lynched on day one. Let us hope it is the same here.
Well, I wasn't in the last game, but in this game we have, first of all, lots of baddies, which increases the odds of getting one by pure chance, and the surveys, which, if we could get off of this bear topic, could be very helpful.

[alonariel]

There is the idea that the people we trusted were made the wolves, which would be devious. But that is possibly too obvious. Then everyone would just say who they trusted and be done with it and vote for them. I'm of the mind that one of the people we trusted most is a gifted, another is a wolf, and possibly a third is the bear.

I would think that the people who we put down as 'feared' were made wolves and the ones that we 'trusted' were made gifted/ordos. Pretty much agreed all around with ya, Lari :)

++Hakon

I think him pulling on the fact that I mentioned phantom pre-game is odd and seems an attempt to cast early suspicions. Clearly it failed and he wisely backed off but the seed was still planted. It could be knee-jerk but I still thought it odd. Of course, and as always Rikae is somewhat suspicious.

Though I think Hakon would be more quiet if he were one of the wolves or the bear, I still find his posts somewhat suspicious for the reasons Morm stated above. And suggesting we use the surveys...just kinda felt weird to me :( Then again, he may also be the cobbler trying to aid the baddies.

Anyway, I have work until 6 and then a family engagement after that (if you see me on the 10 o'clock news, it's because I've murdered one of them), so I'm going to vote now just to be safe. May retract later.

++Hakon

[Rikae]

Ah, so it's mainly the lack of an evidence trail that you don't like. I see.

I agree with that, but I'm also the paranoid type who fears the worst.

In WW III for instance I suggested that some Ordo volunteer to be lynched due to the fact that we had a host of useful gifteds that could win the game for us and I didn't want them dead immediately.

No one volunteered and my idea was looked at as being very suspicious.

We lynched our Ranger Day 1.

Anyway, I'm not saying lynching Fea is the best option, but what if we were to make sure she had at least a couple votes? That way if, near the deadline, the person who moves into the lead says, "No, I'm the Ranger!" and is sufficiently believable, we have an alternate target to pour our votes onto without the fear that we're switching from the Ranger to the Seer (or being fooled by a baddie).

I doubt I'll actually vote for her, but I wouldn't be opposed to her gaining two votes or so.

Part 1:

Hmm... you know, you have a point there, phantom. On second thought, I believe you're right - lynching Fea may be our safest option. I'm not going to cast my vote just yet, but Fea is worth considering.

[Hakon]

The way things seem to have turned out so far is either we are going with Phantom's idea of lynching Fea or I am getting lynched. I already have one definite(Morm) vote for me and one possible(Alona). I say possible because she can still retract.

[mormegil]

Part 1:
On second thought, I believe you're right - lynching Fea may be our safest
option. I'm not going to cast my vote just yet, but Fea is worth considering.

Not 'may' it is the safest option anyway you look at it. That is the major problem with it. It won't help anybody but the wolves to do such a strategy because no trail will exist.

[Rikae]

Part 2:

We really need to start discussing the surveys seriously before we run out of time. Everyone should say what they think the mods' plan was, since that's open for discussion.

I, for one, think that the mods were unlikely to choose someone feared or distrusted by the seer as a baddie - the game would be over too quickly. I also think they might have made logical choices and had the gifteds trust each other (not that I'm saying we should speculate about their identities, but the gifteds themselves can consider this).

[Boromir88]

The Dark Monarch makes out with boiled Grade D taco meat every monday and wednesday

[Rikae]

Not 'may' it is the safest option anyway you look at it. That is the major problem with it. It won't help anybody but the wolves to do such a strategy because no trail will exist.
I meant "safest for the village" of course. :Merisu:

[Hakon]

Part 2:

We really need to start discussing the surveys seriously before we run out of time. Everyone should say what they think the mods' plan was, since that's open for discussion.

I, for one, think that the mods were unlikely to choose someone feared or distrusted by the seer as a baddie - the game would be over too quickly. I also think they might have made logical choices and had the gifteds trust each other (not that I'm saying we should speculate about their identities, but the gifteds themselves can consider this).

I agree with the gifteds trusting each other to some extent. I think that the seer and ranger most likely trust each other but the hunter is one that distrusts the other gifteds. As for the wolves one is probably a feared, one is a distrusted person and the final one a trusted person.

[satansaloser2005]

Lynch me for it if you want, but I'm not discussing the surveys. Every other werewolf game we rely on how people act, vote, etc. in order to lynch baddies and I don't see why this should be any different. Boro's probably just letting us discuss the silly things so he can laugh about how wrong we all are.

Also, I understand the attraction of Fea (hehe) but I think it's useless to kill someone who's already going to die. It makes sense but it gets nothing done, and while I would happily switch to her if it meant saving a gifted or something I'm not even going to consider voting for her because it gives us absolutely no chance of killing a baddie.

(And with that in mind, I am an ordo and if a gifted is in danger of lynching feel free to snag me instead of them if necessary. I'm a team player and the gifteds are more valuable than me, so do whatever. And no, that is not an invitation to lynch me for kicks and giggles, so nyah.)


And now I vote. I may change before I leave but I doubt it.

++Hakon

[Rikae]

It is the only way Boro can be satisfied. If the seer fears/distrusts too many of the wolves... over too quickly.

:D

[Hakon]

Sally, we use what we have available to our advantage. In this case it is the surveys even though we cannot say what our answers were.

[Rikae]

Meh. Hakon is a very safe vote, a typical Day 1 lynch, and therefore, probably innocent.

And what about all those people who simply aren't posting? Who is making any effort here to flush them out of hiding? I miss Nogrod.

[Hakon]

Last game I got one vote on day one and a whole lot of people telling me I was suspicious. I turned out to be innocent. So far out of those to vote for me I am only suspicious of one of them. Sorry Morm. It is just you voted so early on and your reason was only because I brought up something you said before the game started. It seems just off. I just have a gut feeling about your vote being off.

[Boromir88]

Ahh that also reminds me, Lommy wanted you informed she would be on and able to post, but the first couple days she couldn't participate too much...and seeing this gargantuan amount of posts (hehe) maybe even less.

[Nienna]

I'm still in class but terribly bored... haha... So I've kept reading and I'm cool with voting for Fea (this is after freaking out for a while making sure that she is still alive and that I don't need to rush home/ to the hospital). This way we can make sure we aren't lynching a gifted or even an ordo. It will give us another day to work out who the baddies are.

[satansaloser2005]

If I'm not mistaken, Morm voted you because you suggested that we use the surveys to figure out who people were. (Really, I don't see much point. Good discussion, but like in Shasta's game we'll never know if we're right.) I, like Morm, think it's not right. Now of course if I'm wrong I'll beg Morm to correct me, but still.

[the phantom]

We really need to start discussing the surveys seriously before we run out of time. Everyone should say what they think the mods' plan was, since that's open for discussion.

I, for one, think that the mods were unlikely to choose someone feared or distrusted by the seer as a baddie - the game would be over too quickly. I also think they might have made logical choices and had the gifteds trust each other (not that I'm saying we should speculate about their identities, but the gifteds themselves can consider this).
I truly had not considered surveys on an individual basis like that. I was thinking more along the lines of "distrusted people will be less likely to gain roles" and "Surely there'll will be at least one trusted/believable villain" and so on. It hadn't occured to me that the Villains would be selected based upon the individual answers of the Seer.

Hmm.... interesting... If that is indeed the case, the Seer should try to work against their usual leanings.

As far having the gifteds trust each other- I don't know about that. How strong exactly did the Mod want the gifteds to be. If you give them gifts plus set them up so they're likely to work together, wouldn't that be unbalanced? I would think that at least one of the gifteds doesn't trust one of the others.

The Shirriffs, well, it could be anything. It may have amused Boro to make two poeple BFFs who are not known for being BFFs in other games, but then he may have done the obvious and paired a more likely duo. I don't think I'll try and speculate on that.

On the surface I would say the Villains and Bear, in order to have a better shot at survival, are more likely to be trusted than distrusted. But if we lynch the only people we trust, where does that leave us if we're wrong? And I can't imagine that all of them are in the same mold.

And what about those that the Villains and Bear fear? If they all said, "Mac scares me. I'm always worried he'll catch me or foil my plans," then it's pretty well a guarantee that Mac wasn't made the Seer. He's too likely to die under those conditions. And perhaps that's why Boro only required two answers per question- so that the baddies when making their picks couldn't rule out too many people. Meh... Am I getting nowhere with this? Because it feels like I am.

Perhaps I'll let others speculate and see if anything stirs me.

[the phantom]

I've never been so envious of taco meat....

[Boromir88]

I've never been so envious of taco meat....

haha:p

[Brinniel]

I never thought phantom would be the most sensible one here...

I don't see what wrong with voting Fea if you don't have any other candidates available. She may or may not be evil, but the body count will rack up quickly enough as it is with two deaths per Night, so we might as well prevent any extra deaths due to modfire. Yeah, we have killed baddies on Day One in the past, but the chances we will lynch the bear toDay in order to bring the Night kills down to one are pretty slim. And anyway, I have to go now and I might not return. Considering I have no viable suspects at the moment, who else am I to vote for? I really don't feel like randomly voting another player, so I might as well vote someone who will die anyway. Either that or not vote anyone.

It seems most of you think voting Fea is bad choice. So tell me, would you rather have me make a No Vote instead? I would imagine that would be even less useful, but please enlighten me. I do apologise I can't make a reasonable vote due to my early departure, but I do have a life after all and I am horrible at finding anyone suspicious on Day One as it is, especially this early in the Day...

[Lariren Shadow]

As far as I can tell, votes so far(unless I missed something):
Rikae--> Rikae
Form--> Mira
Morm--> Hakon
Alona--> Hakon
Sally--> Hakon

So Hakon 3, Mira and Rikae 1

[Brinniel]

If I'm not mistaken, Morm voted you because you suggested that we use the surveys to figure out who people were. (Really, I don't see much point. Good discussion, but like in Shasta's game we'll never know if we're right.) I, like Morm, think it's not right. Now of course if I'm wrong I'll beg Morm to correct me, but still.
I thought morm voted Hakon because he made a comment about morm fearing the phantom, but I could be wrong here...

[Hakon]

I thought morm voted Hakon because he made a comment about morm fearing the phantom, but I could be wrong here...

I think you are right about that. The most is somewhere on page four or five.

[Brinniel]

Ahh that also reminds me, Lommy wanted you informed she would be on and able to post, but the first couple days she couldn't participate too much...and seeing this gargantuan amount of posts (hehe) maybe even less.
That's because she'd rather hang out with live BDers than pixelated ones. Hmph. We should lynch her for that. :p

[the phantom]

Thanks for the tally.

So, it's Hakon jumping out to the early lead.

Generally, people I've never played with before are safe from me on the first day (unless I have a really good reason). So he probably won't be getting another vote from me.

Who will get my vote? No clue at this point. I need to hear more from some people. Some haven't spoken at all. And I also want to have my vote available to switch if needed.

[Pitchwife]

OK, here's my opinions on the people who have said the most so far (I'll skip the 4 pages of early morning banter and gnitirw sdrawckab for now and start with the beginning of the bear discussion).
Hakon - sounds like a rather inexperienced player trying to get the hang of it, making an effort to contribute and suggesting experimental strategy. We may not agree with his suggestions, but I see nothing in them that shouts bear, wolf or cobbler.
Mac - fewer posts than some others, but those reasonable.
morm - I can understand his initial vote for Hakon as him being simply annoyed, but his retracting and then locking it, thus wasting any chance of correcting later when there's more evidence, worries me. If he's innocent, that was unnecessarily harsh.
Nerwen- I'm glad our Reverser has reverted to posting legibly. A nice mixture of sensible and amusing. I find her difficult to read even when she's not writing backwards, so no opinion as of now.
Rikae - talking sense, I'd say, except for the fact that she's done a lot to prolong a discussion she says herself is useless; maybe because there was little else to discuss at the time, or maybe... I don't know.
To be continued.

(x-ed with everything since phantom's #264, need some time to catch up)

[Macalaure]

It is an exceptionally safe vote that doesn't leave any sort of trail of evidence. Because once it is decided that Fea will be voted for it gives far too easy a way for wolves/bear to hide.
The morm is right. Listen to him.

Lynch me for it if you want, but I'm not discussing the surveys. Every other werewolf game we rely on how people act, vote, etc. in order to lynch baddies and I don't see why this should be any different.
The Sally is right, too. Listen to her.

My problem is that both want to lynch Hakon, who is in all probability innocent, with a small chance of cobblery. Don't listen to them! :eek:

[Inziladun]

I never thought phantom would be the most sensible one here...

I don't see what wrong with voting Fea if you don't have any other candidates available. She may or may not be evil, but the body count will rack up quickly enough as it is with two deaths per Night, so we might as well prevent any extra deaths due to modfire.

Not voting, or voting Fea is something I will not do. The body count will indeed quickly mount. But if you're voting, why not vote for someone who could at least potentially be a threat to innocents, instead of someone who will be gone anyway? In my admittedly rather limited WW experience I've never seen the logic of that, and this is no exception.

[Lariren Shadow]

Ok so yes Fea looks like a good guess but...I don't know. She's doomed anyway and the problem will be that toMorrow we won't be able to analyze votes because we just voted for a doomed player. I think that's whats getting to me. To me, it would seem that we would get two Day 1s then because we would have about as much to go on. We could go on the votes as they are now, but, well people have become annoyed with Hakon and voted for him. That's so sinister.

But it is the valid point that we could kill a gifted. Or we could kill a wolf. Or its Day 1.

[Brinniel]

The body count will indeed quickly mount. But if you're voting, why not vote for someone who could at least potentially be a threat to innocents, instead of someone who will be gone anyway?
The problem is I have no candidates who I find potential threats, and anyway, whenever I do vote for the person I suspect most on Day One, I get suspected for it (such as last game).

[Hakon]

Lari, that is a great point about it being like two day ones. The thing is since the body count will grow so quickly we need to avoid killing innocents and gifteds. Voting Fea does save us from killing an innocent or gifted. The bear will be harder to find than the wolves and the cobbler even harder than the bear.

Crossed with Brinn's 295.

[Brinniel]

She's doomed anyway and the problem will be that toMorrow we won't be able to analyze votes because we just voted for a doomed player.
Well don't bother analysing my vote regardless of who it's for. If it's not a no vote or for Fea, then it'll be randomly for someone else. Unless I have time to return and find a real suspect.

[mormegil]

Yeah, we have killed baddies on Day One in the past, but the chances we will lynch the bear toDay in order to bring the Night kills down to one are pretty slim.

This seems awfully strange. I get it that only by lynching the bear will we get the kills to one but she seems to discount the lynching of the wolves completely. A wolf wouldn't be unhappy to get rid of the bear. Also just because odds are slim doesn't mean we shouldn't at least try. This line of thought makes me fairly suspicious of Brinn.

[Rikae]

Not enough or enough of substance from:
autume
Durelin
Formendacil
Inziladun
Lommy (but she excused herself)
Shasta
Mira

Shall we dust off ye olde "Lynch the Quiet Ones" theory? Of the others, I have no strong suspects, although Nessa and tp have been tripping my radar a bit... however, the Rangifer Tarandus are resting far too comfortably on this heap of players...

EDIT: Bolding and x'd with Morm.

[satansaloser2005]

Heck if I even know what's going on anymore.

My vote for Hakon stands. If he's innocent, I'm sorry, but the things he brought up bother me and I'll probably think clearer if he's gone. That and I think at the very least he wishes he were the actual cobbler.

Just so there's no doubt.

--Hakon

++Hakon

Leaving now. Have a nice rest of the Day, chillens.


(Oh, and before you ask, I used the thing at the top of my post so I'd know where I left off. No clues or hidden meanings in it, just a bookmark of sorts.)

[Rikae]

Hm, gotta wonder why Brinn is more worried about being suspected than about catching a wolf...

[wilwarin538]

I've never been so envious of taco meat....

:Merisu:

Shakespearean style:

Wild-eye is a leathern-jerkin, crystal-button, knot-pated, agatering, caddis-garter, smooth-tongue, Spanish pouch!

[Hakon]

Sally, of course I wish I was either a wolf or the cobbler. Sadly I am not.

Rikae, I would take Inziladun off that list. At least we know he has been reading these posts and has been online. He also has made several posts unlike the rest of the people on that list. Why is Nessa tripping your radar?

[Brinniel]

This seems awfully strange. I get it that only by lynching the bear will we get the kills to one but she seems to discount the lynching of the wolves completely. A wolf wouldn't be unhappy to get rid of the bear. Also just because odds are slim doesn't mean we shouldn't at least try. This line of thought makes me fairly suspicious of Brinn.
I was just saying that because the main argument for not voting Fea seemed to be so we could eliminate the threat of two kills per Night immediately and the only way to do that is to kill the bear since it'll take multiple Days to lynch the wolves down to zero. While it's difficult to kill a baddie on Day One as it is and we'll most likely lynch an innocent, if we do kill a baddie, it's more likely we'd find a wolf and not the bear since they are larger in numbers. Of course lynching a wolf would be great, but it won't reduce the number of kills per Night.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally, of course I wish I was either a wolf or the cobbler. Sadly I am not.


Ah, good, you're the bear then. ;)


(Hey, he didn't say he wasn't!:p)

[Brinniel]

Hm, gotta wonder why Brinn is more worried about being suspected than about catching a wolf...
Probably because there was an entire Day last game that seemed to be mostly focused on me because apparently my vote on Day One was most suspicious...and I almost got lynched for it.

And of course I was innocent. :rolleyes:

[Rikae]

Nessa's random-vote talk earlier toDay, and also the way she responded (or didn't respond) to suspicion.

However, come to think of it, Brinn and Nienna are also rather suspicious for the Fea-voting talk - I would say Nienna more than Brinn, since she's more low-key about it, as if trying to avoid drawing attention to herself. Interesting that Boro found Brinn suspicious for this, but not Nienna.

EDIT: X'd with everybody since Hakon.

[Boromir88]

Probably because there was an entire Day last game that seemed to be mostly focused on me because apparently my vote on Day One was most suspicious...and I almost got lynched for it.

And of course I was innocent. :rolleyes:

And then you tried to save me who threw my vote at you to save my own skin! haha that was a good game...besides getting slaughtered :p

[Lariren Shadow]

And then you tried to save me who threw my vote at you to save my own skin! haha that was a good game...besides getting slaughtered :p

*grumblegrumble*shortgame*grumblegrumble*

[Rikae]

Focus, people!

[Lariren Shadow]

Focus, people!

Am trying! Working on a list of people and again going up against the "well they haven't posted" thing.

[mormegil]

Focus, people!

Agreed!

[Pitchwife]

That sudden accumulation of votes for Hakon does look suspicious - Alona's a little less than Sally's, who has also locked hers. Wolves picking an easy target? Hardly all three of them (too obvious), but there may be one wolf among them.
That said, Hakon, why you would wish to be a wolf or the cobbler is beyond me.

About the surveys - I tend to agree that the wolves are most likely a mixed team; the gifted probably too.

I see nothing wrong with phantom's idea of using Fea as a near-deadline lightning-rod to avoid lynching a gifted - if, and only if, we have nothing else to go on, i.e. no other suspects. morm's point that the wolves could safely vote for Fea without leaving a trail is valid, but how would a Fea vote leave less of a trail than a No-vote?

[Rikae]

Hm, it may be that Hakon is a wolf. It's not only that he's suggested silly things (that in itself is probably not wolfish) but that he's been particularly enthusiastic, touchy, and ge suggested the whole surveys thing and then, given permission to discuss it, didn't pursue it further... still seems like an easy vote, though.

The phantom - well, he really has me wondering now - I could almost see him laughing behind his computer as he argued for voting Fea...

Mac, although I disagree with him on several points, seems quite innocentish. I just wish he could appreciate the fun of 8 pages in less than a day... :p

Nienna, as I said above, looks a bit suspicious.

Autume has not posted anything that can be read in any way, and never did so in the previous game I played with her... she might be a good choice simply because we'll never pin her down otherwise.

Brinn wants to vote for Fea for Brinn-ish and fairly unsuspicious reasons.

Morm seems relatively normal, aside from going after Brinn oddly.

Nessa, what I said before, but it might be newbieness.

Sally I haven't looked at closely enough. She did make an easy vote, I think.

Pitchwife looks quite sensible, which may or may not be innocentish.

As for everyone else, I don't know what to say.

[Hakon]

I have four people I am most suspicous of. The first of these being Mormegil. I have a gut feeling that something is off with him and his vote for me seems way too rushed. I think he might be a wolf but this is just off of a gut feeling.

The next person is Sally. This is also mostly a gut feeling but also on some stuff she said. I think she might be the cobbler and trying to frame me. She said it looks like I want to be the cobbler and that makes me think that maybe she is the cobbler.

The third person is The Phantom. He actually seems very innocent it just that he is very active and suggesting good ideas. In in my opinion that is the best way to hide being a wolf. What I originally thought was that Phantom was the bear with all of his bear talk. That leads me to my fourth person, Rikae. I think she might be the bear. I think this because she argued against Phantom's idea of the bear helping and my idea as well. This makes me think that she is the bear and she wishes to not help. Most of these are bad theories, oh well. Those are the four people I am most suspicious of.

Crossed with Rikae's 314.

[Rikae]

I have wasted way too much of this day on this game, so I'm just letting you know I'm not going to be around for several hours. Don't do anything I would do, kids. :D

[autume98]

I have been reading the posts. I'm currentlly at work where the only internet I have to this site is my cell phone. Not to mention work is a little busy right now. Ugh.

I am leaning toward what Sally said regarding voting for Fea. I think we should at least try to lynch the bear or one of the wolves.

Also, I agree that Hakon looks pretty suspicious at this point.

Edit: x-ed with #309 to this one

[Brinniel]

I really must go now; I meant to leave hours ago.

But fine. Since I know you all will give me a bunch of crap if I vote Fea, I won't. So my vote will be random instead.

++morm

There. Now I don't want to hear any crap about it since it seems you all were asking I vote for someone random instead of a soon-to-be-dead player. And so I have. And at least it's better than voting Hakon who I think is an easy lynch for Day One. :rolleyes:

I might be back and able to change my vote, but don't count on it.

[Rikae]

Ok, one last post, gotta reply to Pitchwife.

Why would I argue with phantom if I were the bear? I would be perfectly content to let people think I was going to help. I was a bear once, though.

[the phantom]

Yeah, I doubt you're the Bear, Rikae. Anyway, I'm kind of busy now, but I'll be around later. See ya soon.

[Boromir88]

The Dark Monarch isn't even worthy enough to scrub my boots. She's a maggot-feeder...literally :cool:

[Hakon]

Ok, one last post, gotta reply to Pitchwife.

Why would I argue with phantom if I were the bear? I would be perfectly content to let people think I was going to help. I was a bear once, though.

I said that not Pitchwife. It is a mix of gut feeling and the idea that the bear is someone who spoke about the bear a whole lot.

Crossed with Boro's 321

[Hakon]

The Dark Monarch isn't even worthy enough to scrub my boots. She's a maggot-feeder...literally :cool:

Since she is no longer scrubbing your boots she can scrub mine.

[wilwarin538]

Sticking with my theme:

Something is rotten in the state of Ohio.

[Pitchwife]

Answering my own question from last post: because a No-voter will have to give reasons next Day, whereas a Fea-voter can always say xe followed phantom's suggestion. OK.

Rikae - I never said, nor meant to imply, that you're the bear (Hakon said that). You could be (not accusing you, just mentioning the possibility) a wolf who doesn't want the bear to turn on the wolves. You could be an innocent who simply happens to disagree with phantom. Most probably the latter.

[Boromir88]

Since she is no longer scrubbing your boots she can scrub mine.

If you want to catch Butterflitilicouctus that's your loss...not mine.

[Boromir88]

Sticking with my theme:

Something is rotten in the state of Ohio.

It's called your stench, I can smell you from here. :p

[wilwarin538]

It's called your stench, I can smell you from here. :p

The tartness of your face sours ripe grapes.

(wayyy too much fun)

[Rikae]

Yeah, I doubt you're the Bear, Rikae. Anyway, I'm kind of busy now, but I'll be around later. See ya soon.

Yeah, yeah, you think I'm a wolf trying to convince the bear not to go for me. :rolleyes: (Never mind that I never actually argued that the bear should *avoid* killing wolves, just that it was ridiculous for you to expect xey would listen to you. Heck, I think most players, whether on your side or not, are inclined to do the opposite of what you say, even if it's what they planned on doing in the first place.)

You know, part of me thinks the point of the whole bear-advising exercise was to generate false suspects among those who couldn't stand idly by and listen to nonsense. If you vote for me, you'll prove it and I shall immediately vote for you.

Why do you people have to keep dragging me back to this game?

[Rikae]

Rikae - I never said, nor meant to imply, that you're the bear (Hakon said that).

Yes, I don't know why I thought that was you.

[Hakon]

Yes, I don't know why I thought that was you.

His post was right above one of yours and mine was right under it. You might have seen it the other way around at a glance.

[Lariren Shadow]

A list...that pretty much says nothing much as some people haven't been talking at all.

Rosemancer (alona): Has posted very little, and seems to be devoid of substence.

Lady Tum (autume): Hasn’t said much at all.

Butterfingers (Brinn): Says her vote toDay will be useless because she can’t be around. And then does vote that way.

Felis Grey (Durelin): Have heard nothing from her at all.

Docter Girlfriend (Fea): Is doomed. Nothing more to say.

Celibateman (Form): Posted, voted for Mira, is annoyed with us, hates Day 1. I have no idea about him at all. I would like to see more but he also said he isn’t feeling well so I will not hold not posting against him.

Leaf man (Hakon): Comes up with ideas and people jump down his throat. But some of the ideas are cheating as we have been told. Seems like a Day 1 lynch canidate because of this.

Docter Electron (Zil): I have no idea.

Prin-Guin (Lommy): We have been told that she is not going to be posting much for the first few days. So I have no idea what to think of her.

The Incredible Sulk (Mac): Is slightly tripping my radar but not much else. I can’t pinpoint what it is but he just seems to be just giving me bad feelings.

Narcolepsy girl (Mira): Has to be a big girl. I don’t think voting her is a good option either.

Athletes Foot Man (Morm): Seems to be…I actually have no idea. His posts seem logical but they are also short.

The Reverser (Nerwen): Was an early option for a lynch because of the reverse typing. Other than that, nothing much else.

Laughing Lass (Nessa): No idea at all.

Word Cloud Girl (Nienna): Has to be a big girl and is in class as well. I have no idea but jumped on the whole voting for Fea thing really quickly. I’m not sure about lynching her Day 1 again, but, well, that didn’t seem right with me.

Studebaker Hawk (Pitchwife): I have no idea whatsoever.

Doktor Von und Zum Quatsch (Rikae): Wants more talk. She seems innocent enough to me. Her ideas seem sound as well.

Movie quotes girl (Sally): Claims to be innocent. And keeps her Hakon votes. I’m leaning towards believing her if only because she is not looking like wolf!Sally.

Mr. E. (Shasta): Is in the shadows. I’ve got nothing.

Candor Man (the phantom): Supposedly speaking the truth. Gave some good ideas but I want to keep an eye on him. He seems at first glance to be helpful but closer he could be rather suspicious.

Bah I'm beginning to agree with this hating of Day 1.

[Pitchwife]

Opinions continued and in part updated (in alphabetical order):
Brinn - most of what she's said so far sounds good.
Inzil - same (good point about the body count).
morm - apart from his vote for Hakon, on which I've commented above, he gives sound advice and good arguments.
Rikae - better after end of bear discussion.
the phantom - makes controversial suggestions and backs them up, I like that. I can understand why some people would find his ideas suspicious, but at least he's been starting discussions and given us something to chew - which, I suspect, was his purpose making those suggestions in the first place.
To be continued.

[Rikae]

A question for everyone: how do you feel about the phantom (in general, not in this game specifically). Do you tend to trust him?

Does anyone have strong feelings about Hakon, alona, Nessa or autume (the newer players, I think)?

Also, if you fear me, please step forward - I'd enjoy the ego boost. :D

EDIT: Bolding names and also want to clarify - strong feelings about the newbies in general, rather than in this game.

[Lariren Shadow]

I have some feelings about them.

Alona: Is trying hard. She is working things out and likes the analization. She is just busy at the moment. She tends to have well thought out ideas.

Hakon: Well...he is trying to work things out. He seems to be getting on people's nerves and I can see why.

Nessa: Was a very sneaky wolf in my game. But I don't think she is again. However, she was also as silent then too.

Tum: I think is busy. Though I'm not sure.

Also I have been asked to point out that Mira is also excused from not participating.

[Rikae]

There's something about Pitchwife... I read his posts and find myself nodding my head, going "at least someone is making some sense"... but in my past experience, posts like that usually came from wolves. Perhaps it's because of the wolfish tendency to be non-controversial and so on...

[the phantom]

A question for everyone: how do you feel about the phantom (in general, not in this game specifically). Do you tend to trust him?
I doubt many ever do. Maybe Form and Morm do a bit. I'd say that trusting Phantom is probably an acquired taste, only adopted by those who have dealt with me and come to believe the best way of dealing with me is go with it and hope for the best, as the odds simply favor that approach.
Yeah, yeah, you think I'm a wolf trying to convince the bear not to go for me. (Never mind that I never actually argued that the bear should *avoid* killing wolves, just that it was ridiculous for you to expect xey would listen to you. Heck, I think most players, whether on your side or not, are inclined to do the opposite of what you say, even if it's what they planned on doing in the first place.)

You know, part of me thinks the point of the whole bear-advising exercise was to generate false suspects among those who couldn't stand idly by and listen to nonsense. If you vote for me, you'll prove it and I shall immediately vote for you.

Why do you people have to keep dragging me back to this game?
Hey now, all I said was that you probably aren't the Bear (i.e. I do not support anyone who suspects you for it). I made no accusation. You're the one who brought up the suspicion I voiced earlier about Wolvery. You should've left it lie, because now I have to respond, and I fear we'll have the same discussion all over again.

You say your objection is that you think it's silly that the Bear might listen to me? Well, first off, I have influenced other players before. You know I have. Second, who cares? If they dont' listen then they don't. Why bother being annoyed by me saying something that you figure will be ignored anyway?

And why do you keep calling it "nonsense"? It's not. It makes perfect sense to make sure the Bear is aware that the Villains + Cobbler are a huge threat to his victory. It makes sense from his perspective and from the villager perspective. It in no way, shape, or form qualifies as "nonsense". My biggest problem with you is you keep on trying to paint a useful idea as "nonsense", as if you're trying to discredit it. Why discredit an idea that will only help if adopted? That makes zero sense. You are the one making "nonsense" by even arguing about this.

Now seriously, you need to drop it. My suggestion was perfectly sensible as well as (most importantly) completely harmless to innocents, so there is nothing to be gained by opposing it. We're succeeding only in boring others at this point. Again, saying anything negative about the Bear killing the Villains makes no sense and accomplishes nothing unless you for some reason don't want baddies to die.

[autume98]

This is my first game playing with tp. Right now I'm not sure whether to trust him or not. So I'm going to keep an eye on him.

I'm also little suspicious of Rikae. This is my second game with her. So I'm also keeping an eye on her.

[Pitchwife]

List continued (and, I think, complete now).
alona - nothing conclusive beyond her vote, which looks a little bit like hiding behind morm's back.
autume - even less to go on.
Form - nothing to add to what Lari said.
Lari - thanks for the list and feelings.
Mira - absent since the morning hours.
Nessa - nothing conclusive, but made some effort to contribute to discussion early on.
Nienna - has been very quiet but is cool with Fea-voting. Anything else?
sally - looked good to me until her locked third vote for an easy target. But would she do something as obvious if she were a wolf? Or would she exactly because people would think she wouldn't? I don't know her enough to answer that.
Shasta - needs to come back!

Rikae - would you rather I'd stop making sense, throw out some wild suspicions and start voting for people I find annoying? Can't do the latter, as none of you has yet annoyed me enough. As for suspicions, I've voiced some - if you want it spelled out again: morm, alona, Sally (not necessarily in this order of importance). Or should I suggest something outrageous, like not lynching the bear if we catch xem?
You've got a point, however - if I were a wolf, I might play exactly like I'm playing now, or at least try to. Or maybe not - I've never been one yet (including this game, I mean!), so I don't know.

(x-ed with phantom and autume)

[Nerwen]

I agree with the gifteds trusting each other to some extent. I think that the seer and ranger most likely trust each other but the hunter is one that distrusts the other gifteds. As for the wolves one is probably a feared, one is a distrusted person and the final one a trusted person.

Well... anything's possible– but we can't lynch toDay based on that reasoning, anyway.

Ok so yes Fea looks like a good guess but...I don't know. She's doomed anyway and the problem will be that toMorrow we won't be able to analyze votes because we just voted for a doomed player. I think that's whats getting to me. To me, it would seem that we would get two Day 1s then because we would have about as much to go on.

The trouble is, if we don't vote Fea, Hakon gets it, and I'm not really getting wolf-vibes off him; also the votes on him so far look pretty dodgy. He can't be the bear, either– not unless he's been trying to surrender all Day.

I have four people I am most suspicous of. The first of these being Mormegil. I have a gut feeling that something is off with him and his vote for me seems way too rushed. I think he might be a wolf but this is just off of a gut feeling.

The next person is Sally. This is also mostly a gut feeling but also on some stuff she said. I think she might be the cobbler and trying to frame me. She said it looks like I want to be the cobbler and that makes me think that maybe she is the cobbler.

Well, she's suspiciously cheerful, which might mean she's back in her favourite role (she's pretty good at cobblering)... but to tell the truth, Hakon, it has occurred to me in the course of this Day that you might, in fact, be a cobbler.

The third person is The Phantom. He actually seems very innocent it just that he is very active and suggesting good ideas. In in my opinion that is the best way to hide being a wolf.

And also the best way to catch wolves...:rolleyes:

What I originally thought was that Phantom was the bear with all of his bear talk. That leads me to my fourth person, Rikae. I think she might be the bear. I think this because she argued against Phantom's idea of the bear helping and my idea as well. This makes me think that she is the bear and she wishes to not help. Most of these are bad theories, oh well. Those are the four people I am most suspicious of.

Can't I be the bear, too, Hakon? I'm feeling left out.:(

A question for everyone: how do you feel about the phantom (in general, not in this game specifically). Do you tend to trust him?

Does anyone have strong feelings about Hakon, alona, Nessa or autume (the newer players, I think)?

Also, if you fear me, please step forward - I'd enjoy the ego boost. :D


a.) No.

b.) No.

c.) Yes.

EDIT: X'd since Rikae.

[Rikae]

tp - not nonsense for the bear to kill the wolves, nonsense for you to be able to control the bear. The only way I would believe that is if you are the bear.
And yeah, enough of that - except I still find it suspicious, as well as the Fea thing.


I'm also little suspicious of Rikae. This is my second game with her. So I'm also keeping an eye on her.

Hm, you mean the one where I was the hunter? Yeah, hunters are scary, aren't they? ;):p

The trouble is, if we don't vote Fea, Hakon gets it.

Says who? Most people haven't voted yet.

c.) Yes.

Thanks, the feeling's mutual. :D

Rikae - would you rather I'd stop making sense, throw out some wild suspicions and start voting for people I find annoying? Can't do the latter, as none of you has yet annoyed me enough. As for suspicions, I've voiced some - if you want it spelled out again: morm, alona, Sally (not necessarily in this order of importance). Or should I suggest something outrageous, like not lynching the bear if we catch xem?
You've got a point, however - if I were a wolf, I might play exactly like I'm playing now, or at least try to. Or maybe not - I've never been one yet (including this game, I mean!), so I don't know.

Hm, also a rather wolfish reaction. Defensive. Of course might be typical of a relatively new player unused to being suspected, too.
It's in the subtle things. The shortness of the posts. The lack of questioning. The frequency of agreement with other players. "would you rather I X" is a wolfish answer, usually, in my book. It's sort of "hey, you've wounded my pride, I'm wolfing well!" rather than "I'm innocent", somehow... (and I say this having been on the other side of it a few times as well).

[Hakon]

Originally posted by Nerwen
a.) No.

b.) No.

c.) Yes.
To which specific question are those answers for? There are four new players that Rikae listed and then there is the question about Phantom. You only gave three answers.

[the phantom]

Hakon- I believe she lumped the players together in her second answer.

[Hakon]

That makes sense. I did not see that and now I feel foolish.

[Pitchwife]

Answering Rikae's questions -
the phantom: honestly, I was rather scared of playing with him in my second game ever, as I reckoned he'd be completely inscrutable (which he is). Surprisingly, I find myself rather inclined to go with it and and hope for the best, as he puts it himself. If he's a wolf, he's much too cunning for me, so I might as well take him at face value, at least until he starts contradicting himself or makes a vote I find suspicious.
Hakon: the strongest feeling I've ever had about him was for persistently hurting my pet Petty-dwarf in Hurt and Heal, and that wasn't really strong.
alona and autume: No strong feelings on either.
Nessa: nothing strong, except I think she may be the most cunning of the newbies.
And Rikae, sorry, but I don't fear you. Should I?

[the phantom]

I was about to make a list, but after seeing how little some people have talked it seemed pointless. Over half my list would be "I need to see more". That would be very helpful I'm sure.

[mormegil]

But fine. Since I know you all will give me a bunch of crap if I vote Fea, I won't. So my vote will be random instead.


There. Now I don't want to hear any crap about it since it seems you all were asking I vote for someone random instead of a soon-to-be-dead player. And so I have. And at least it's better than voting Hakon who I think is an easy lynch for Day

Wow Brinn, this seems very odd. Again you've done something odd to me. It has nothing to do with the vote for me. I couldn't care less about that but what is strange is the willingness to do what you perceive the crowd to want. There are still plenty that are okay with the Fea lynch plan. When somebody is too worried about looking good and not doing what they feel is best it worries me.

ps I am only to this point on reading.

[the phantom]

Does anyone fancy being Nog for the day?

Okay- I'll do it.

When it comes time to vote, Day 1 is pretty random, so I plan on taking my chances with someone who's keeping mum and likely to continue doing so. Die, submarines, die!! Fear the wrath of Noggins!!

[Rikae]

Well, if we go with the theory that at least some wolves are likely to be chosen from among those no one mentioned, our newbies should need scrutiny.
If phantom is, as I thought, widely feared and distrusted - well, I'm not sure what to conclude from it at this point. He attracts so much attention I'm generally tempted to leave him to the seer, but then, we may be kicking ourselves later for keeping him around if he's evil, and if it's true he's never been lynched that's good reason to lynch him in itself. Shame morm locked in his vote.

[Hakon]

Answering Rikae's questions -
the phantom: honestly, I was rather scared of playing with him in my second game ever, as I reckoned he'd be completely inscrutable (which he is). Surprisingly, I find myself rather inclined to go with it and and hope for the best, as he puts it himself. If he's a wolf, he's much too cunning for me, so I might as well take him at face value, at least until he starts contradicting himself or makes a vote I find suspicious.
Hakon: the strongest feeling I've ever had about him was for persistently hurting my pet Petty-dwarf in Hurt and Heal, and that wasn't really strong.
alona and autume: No strong feelings on either.
Nessa: nothing strong, except I think she may be the most cunning of the newbies.
And Rikae, sorry, but I don't fear you. Should I?

Out of all us newbies Nessa and Autume have played more games then the rest of us. Why do you think Nessa is the most cunning? Is it cause she was the wolf last game?

[Rikae]

Why do I get the feeling phantom is repeating what I said before...? :eek:

[mormegil]

A question for everyone: how do you feel about the phantom (in general, not in this game specifically). Do you tend to trust him?


Well I think he's lucid. I like his taste in sports, if not teams. He seems to look nice when dressed up which would be most often I would guess.

No more seriously I feel I read him fairly well overall. Part of this comes from time and number of games spent with him some of it comes from knowing him and understanding who he is. I have never actually met tummy in rl though.

[autume98]

tp - not nonsense for the bear to kill the wolves, nonsense for you to be able to control the bear. The only way I would believe that is if you are the bear.
And yeah, enough of that - except I still find it suspicious, as well as the Fea thing.
I do agree with you here. One of the reasons I'm keeping an eye on tp.

Hm, you mean the one where I was the hunter? Yeah, hunters are scary, aren't they? ;):p

That'd be the one. And they are very scary. :p

[the phantom]

I have been lynched before, Rikae, so there's no chance for history there.

[Inziladun]

I've played one game with tp prior, and up to the last minute I thought he was the Cobbler. I would have thought him a wolf if I hadn't been one myself. I wouldn't say I trust him; he's made sense somewhat, but I don't agree with the idea of voting Fea (have I said that already? ;)).

The newbies I don't have much of a read on at the moment. I've been at work all day, but I should have more time to read before DL.

[Pitchwife]

Out of all us newbies Nessa and Autume have played more games then the rest of us. Why do you think Nessa is the most cunning? Is it cause she was the wolf last game?
That, and IIRC she was the last wolf standing, flushed out only by a concerted action of the gifteds. Also she seems to have gotten the hang of the game quite well, if I may say so, being a newbie myself (this is only my second game).

[autume98]

I'm going to have to put my vote in now since I'm going to be busy this evening.

++Hakon

[Durelin]

Good evening...

All those who liked the vote-for-Fea idea are on my naughty list. Of course the only ones I recall are phantom and Brinn...

phantom...his village-advice and game plans are always off-putting. But I agree with a good bit of what Rikae has been saying about his posts. His post #240 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606749&postcount=240) I must comment on - Rikae is furthering useless discussion? I think she's arguing that said discussion is useless and pointing this out to people...as something possibly suspicious. At least I find aspects of the discussion bothersome in a suspiscion sort of way. And she certainly has been getting reactions.

Brinn...grumpy. Think I disagree with everything she's said. Not that I remember much of it.

Nessa...very forced seeming. Especially when she seemed like she was sweet-talking Rikae. I don't know her, though, so...

Hakon...I think there was rudeness toward him. I don't like what he has suggested and discussed so far, but right now I think that's pretty much just personality clash.

I'm not going to waste time discussing the surveys (other than wasting time arguing that it's a waste of time ;)). However reading what people sent him affected Boro's role assigning, we're not going to be able to figure it out.

I find it funny that phantom wanted to do a show-and-tell so badly. Maybe WW serves as his therapy, though personally I feel all you manic WW players need to seek therapy. :Merisu:

[Rikae]

Hm, I thought you had played more, Pitchwife. Another question, then - does anyone have a strong opinion on Pitchwife, in general?

[Boromir88]

The tartness of your face sours ripe grapes.

(wayyy too much fun)

Your hair is as greasy as a black banana peel.

[Nerwen]

Hm, I thought you had played more, Pitchwife. Another question, then - does anyone have a strong opinion on Pitchwife, in general?

*shrugs* Not yet. He's being pretty non-committal himself...

And yeah, he came across like an old hand in his first game.

[Lariren Shadow]

Rikae--> Rikae
Form--> Mira
Morm--> Hakon
Alona--> Hakon
Sally--> Hakon
Brinn--> Morm
Autume--> Hakon

So Hakon 4, Mira, Morm and Rikae 1

And to Nerwen: why is not lynching doomed Fea mean that we lynch Hakon? He is leading at the moment but its still about 4 and a half hours before deadline. Out of the 20(ish21 if you count Fea still) people playing we've had 7 vote. I'm not sure if Fea is even going to vote. So that means not even half of the people have voted. At the moment 4 votes doesn't mean he's dead.

[Macalaure]

Well, well, it's day one again. I can't see anybody who is actually suspicious. For a change, why don't you baddies try to be a bit more obvious?

Eh, whatever, a list:

Alona: don't like her vote.
Autume: not comfortable with her.
Brinn: morm had a very good point against her, but her defense looked honest.
Durelin: feels clean and knows what cats know that makes them scream like babies in night.
Fea: rode to ruin and the world's ending.
Form: acted almost too Form-stereotypical in his one post.
Hakon: all over the place and probably innocent.
Inzy: not comfortable with him, but can't point to it.
Lari: feels good.
Lommy: not here.
Mira: innocent?
morm: bad vote, good conscience.
Nerwen: feels good, which probably means she's evil.
Nessa: innocent-ish.
Nienna: the little she posted looks ok.
Pitchwife: Rikae's points against him are the best I've seen so far, and that says it all.
Rikae: all over the place and probably innocent.*
Sally: bad vote, good conscience.
Shasta: ?
phantom: one is tempted to tune him out. I will look at him eventually if we both keep on staying alive.

*If I'm dead toMorrow, then evil Rikae has killed me for giving her the same comment as Hakon. :p


Anyway, this Hakon-waggon is getting out of hands. Who do you think we should put on the rails instead?

[Boromir88]

I ♥ Lari. I hope you're here at the DL so I can get up-to-date voting tallies. Instead of trolling through pages to get all the votes :D

[Lariren Shadow]

I can't promise I will be here (long and complicated) but I can keep up to date counts before I go.

Other than that, I have nothing else to say.

[Nerwen]

And to Nerwen: why is not lynching doomed Fea mean that we lynch Hakon? He is leading at the moment but its still about 4 and a half hours before deadline. Out of the 20(ish21 if you count Fea still) people playing we've had 7 vote. I'm not sure if Fea is even going to vote. So that means not even half of the people have voted. At the moment 4 votes doesn't mean he's dead.

Okay, I was exaggerating. I think you'll agree he's well ahead of the field, though?

[Formendacil]

*groans in pain*

You know, when I started catching up on this thread--apparently a loooong time ago--there were still only 9 pages.

This is page 10.

This is ridiculous.

For once, I have to confess, I'm glad it's Day 1, because that means it's lacking substance, for the most part, and I didn't have read it in-depth--though, given the lack of substance, I think I still got most of it anyway.

Two quick thoughts:

First, regarding the Fea-Waggon, I will submit to the village that this is patent nonsense. If, perchance, Fea is a wolf, then why bother voting for her? We should try and take out a second baddie (Wolf, Bear, Cobbler) while we're at it. If Fea is a villager, then we definitely want to try and take out a Baddie, since the village is already facing a probable two deaths tonight. And if Fea's a Gifted... well... that's really bad--but again, we still want to try and take out a Wolf.

I realise, for those older players who remember (or the younger ones who may have read back), that this may seem a trifle anti-Formendacil in style, since it makes it sound like I think we have a good chance of catching a baddie on Day 1. We don't--let me make that clear--or, rather, we have exactly as much a chance as usual. I continue to aver, as I always have, that we're grossly unlikely to reason our way to finding a Wolf (or Bear, for that matter) on Day 1, but the stats show that Fenris lynches are not impossible, so we may as well at least try for one of those. Also, to emphasize the often forgotten second half of my anti-Day 1 thesis: "Day 1s are useless to analyse on Day 1." My point being that we'll be wanting a voting record tomorrow to analyze, and voting for Fea is an abdication of that, every bit as much as No Voting, but with the psychological pretension that it's an actual vote.

My second thought regards Hakon. I more or less agree (bearing in mind that I skim read a page or two of this thread...) with everything Rikae said in argument against his plots and schemes, but he is the spitting image of the "All-Too-Easy Day 1 Scapegoat" vote... who might be a newbie in some games, or just too noisy... or too quiet... or too easy... or whatever... in others. He's rubbed me enough the wrong way with his suggestions that I can't honestly say he seems a village asset, but that has all the hallmarks of a Village Ordo.

More anon... I haven't had lunch, my cold has not been helped by getting to bed ridiculously late last night (see my previous post), and my brain hurts.

[Lariren Shadow]

Okay, I was exaggerating. I think you'll agree he's well ahead of the field, though?

He is, but still we've had less than half vote. Unless everyone votes for an entirely different person 4 votes isn't going to mean death. Yet. And this is assuming that everyone actually votes, that there are no "no votes" and such.

[Boromir88]

I ♥ alona, I ♥ tum, I ♥ Brinn, I ♥ Durelin, I ♥ Fea, I ♥ Hakon, I ♥ Dun, I ♥ Lommy. I ♥ Mac. I ♥ Mira. I ♥ morm, I ♥ Nerwen, I ♥ Nessa, I ♥ Nienna, I ♥ Pitch, I ♥ Rikae, I ♥ sally, I ♥ Shasta, I ♥ tp.

Missing anyone? Nope don't think so. :p

[Rikae]

Hm, I for one don't intend to vote for Hakon. I actually don't think he would have probably kept defending his theory so tenaciously if he were evil.

Oh yeah, and I probably won't let my self-vote stand, either. ;) In fact, I might as well be prepared:

--Rikae

[Durelin]

Have to say this - Arguing that a Fea-vote is no different from a No-vote is completely pointless, considering that a person can certainly think a No-vote is just as ridiculous...except of course if used as a last minute tool.

[Formendacil]

I ♥ alona, I ♥ tum, I ♥ Brinn, I ♥ Durelin, I ♥ Fea, I ♥ Hakon, I ♥ Dun, I ♥ Lommy. I ♥ Mac. I ♥ Mira. I ♥ morm, I ♥ Nerwen, I ♥ Nessa, I ♥ Nienna, I ♥ Pitch, I ♥ Rikae, I ♥ sally, I ♥ Shasta, I ♥ tp.

Missing anyone? Nope don't think so. :p

Shall I assume that Celibateman is strictly off-limits, even for you? :p

*too lazy to look for anyone else who might be missing*

*seriously going to grab supper now*

[Boromir88]

I ♥ Form aka celibateman. :D

[Formendacil]

Have to say this - Arguing that a Fea-vote is no different from a No-vote is completely pointless, considering that a person can certainly think a No-vote is just as ridiculous...except of course if used as a last minute tool.

Well, as a matter of fact I do think a No-vote is ridiculous--even in Day 1 circumstances where I don't honestly suspect anyone and would feel too tender to lynch anybody. It's just... unsporting.

Doesn't mean it hasn't been done.

Rikae's de-vote for herself reminds me that I voted for Mira last night, and said I'd probably not actually vote for her in the end. Since I'll be here, on and off at least, if not right here, for the rest of the Day, I think I can safely say I won't need it anymore. Since my first post, Mira has been delightfully under-contributive in adding more to the ridiculous length of this thread--my original grounds for voting.

--Mirandir

I do not promise, of course, that I won't vote for her again.

*has supper beside him, but hasn't touched it*

EDIT: Crossed with Boro and fixed tags.

[Lariren Shadow]

I ♥ alona, I ♥ tum, I ♥ Brinn, I ♥ Durelin, I ♥ Fea, I ♥ Hakon, I ♥ Dun, I ♥ Lommy. I ♥ Mac. I ♥ Mira. I ♥ morm, I ♥ Nerwen, I ♥ Nessa, I ♥ Nienna, I ♥ Pitch, I ♥ Rikae, I ♥ sally, I ♥ Shasta, I ♥ tp.

Missing anyone? Nope don't think so. :p

I was going to say Form, but he already did.

And I would say me, but I got my own post:D

[Boromir88]

You'll never guess what I'm eating right now...it's the only thing I have left to eat actually.

<<Really needs to go to the store.

So, with that I shall dine and observe the remaining hours. You surely don't want some italicized voice being a distraction with only 4 hours remaining. :cool:

[Durelin]

Well, as a matter of fact I do think a No-vote is ridiculous--even in Day 1 circumstances where I don't honestly suspect anyone and would feel too tender to lynch anybody. It's just... unsporting.

Unsporting and an easy way out...which I guess is the same thing. Was what I was saying in a roundabout way.

[Lariren Shadow]

*sigh* more update votes.

Rikae--> Rikae
Form--> Mira
Morm--> Hakon
Alona--> Hakon
Sally--> Hakon
Brinn--> Morm
Autume--> Hakon
--Rikae---Rikae
--Form---Mira

So Hakon 4 and that's it.

[Rikae]

And morm 1.

[Macalaure]

Who do you think we should put on the rails instead?

*ahem* :rolleyes:

[Rikae]

http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif

[the phantom]

All those who liked the vote-for-Fea idea are on my naughty list.
I think you disagree with the idea just because I don't. If I had fought strongly against it you'd be more open minded. ;)

But seriously, you and Form- I assume you caught the part where I said lynching Fea wasn't our best option, but that she would be useful as a vote dumping ground should our first choice prove disasterous.

That's why I wouldn't mind seeing a couple people vote for her. That way if Hakon is about dead and comes in and says, "No, I'm the Hunter!" and is believable, we will be in a position where we can easily elevate the already dead Fea at the last minute rather than having to search for another candidate (and possibly have that one be an even worse choice).

So I'm not saying lynch her- I'm saying I wouldn't be suspicious if people were to toss a couple votes that way, and that it may even be a good risk management move. And if I recall Brin also didn't actually advise us to lynch her.

[Rikae]

Oops.

Mac, I'd consider Pitchwife, possibly, or autume...

[Macalaure]

That takes the lack of content on Day 1's a bit far doesn't it? :rolleyes: :p

edit: apparently, you can't make empty quotes...

[Rikae]

Maybe Nienna, though it doesn't seem fair if she's not around.

[the phantom]

Pitchwife hasn't been suspicious and is new (to me), so I'm not voting for him.

Plus he talks.

[Hakon]

I don't like Autume right now. She just votes for me without a good reason. She was just jumping on the bandwagon in my opinion. At least she can still retract that vote although I doubt she will.

[the phantom]

I ♥ alona, I ♥ tum, I ♥ Brinn, I ♥ Durelin, I ♥ Fea, I ♥ Hakon, I ♥ Dun, I ♥ Lommy. I ♥ Mac. I ♥ Mira. I ♥ morm, I ♥ Nerwen, I ♥ Nessa, I ♥ Nienna, I ♥ Pitch, I ♥ Rikae, I ♥ sally, I ♥ Shasta, I ♥ tp.
For some reason that reminded me of an old song....

A little bit of Dury in my life
A little bit of Lommy by my side
A little bit of Nerwen's all I need
A little bit of Lari's what I see....

*laughs*

[Boromir88]

For some reason that reminded me of an old song....

A little bit of Dury in my life
A little bit of Lommy by my side
A little bit of Nerwen's all I need
A little bit of Lari's what I see....

*laughs*

*spits out jello* I'm going to have that stuck in my head for days now.

Oh right, yes...supposed to be observing *goes back*

[Formendacil]

Who do you think we should put on the rails instead?

Good question, actually... though, this being Day 1, there's no good answer until we've had a few days of hindsight. Going strictly from tradition, it would be safe to say--for myself--I'd be most comfortable voting off someone I don't generally trust most games, and have a higher success rate of not missing.

Shasta would be a prime candidate. I'm not sure if we've played together more than twice, but the the two times I remember, he didn't sit right with me, and--though not bad (well, okay, Cobblers are *technically* bad)--would have at least made those games less confusing.

Lari's impressive track record of winning and surviving games is temptation in and of itself for voting, with a lack of a real candidate. One certainly cannot say of her that she deserves the phantom's "Day 1 newbie pass." Of course, the Grimoire would also suggest she's a non-Ordo, which means we'd be shooting 50/50 for a Gifted or Baddie.

Brinn is the archetypal silent killer. If I were to peg anyone being the Bear on mental associations of little grounding, I'd dress her in fur and hand her a salmon.

Of course, you all realise those are utterly spurious reasons to vote for someone. Really, the votes for Hakon--though my gut tells me he's innocent--are no worse, and potentially better.

Morm, Rikae, and the phantom, though I have a history of not trusting them on Days 2,3, and on (if I haven't died by that point) are too useful if innocent to kill on Day 1, and too suspicious after Day 1 to worry that they'll get away scot-free if they're evil. So they're off my potential lynch-list. Nienna is also off my potential lynch-list out of a left-over sense of chivalry from last game, but if she's seriously going to vote for Fea, she should watch out tomorrow, because that utterly smacks of wolvery. I also feel sorry for Sally, get Fenris'd last game, and she's fun to have around--even if bare-faced guilty--so she's also free of my Day 1 vote.

Other than that... no random Day 1 impressions yet that are coming to mind, so no reason to list anyone here pro or con, but I can gladly make something up or dredge the lower waters if you feel slighted by being under my Day 1 radar.

*was half-finished supper before he came back to this thread...:rolleyes:*

[Formendacil]

I think you disagree with the idea just because I don't. If I had fought strongly against it you'd be more open minded. ;)

But seriously, you and Form- I assume you caught the part where I said lynching Fea wasn't our best option, but that she would be useful as a vote dumping ground should our first choice prove disastrous.

That's why I wouldn't mind seeing a couple people vote for her. That way if Hakon is about dead and comes in and says, "No, I'm the Hunter!" and is believable, we will be in a position where we can easily elevate the already dead Fea at the last minute rather than having to search for another candidate (and possibly have that one be an even worse choice).

So I'm not saying lynch her- I'm saying I wouldn't be suspicious if people were to toss a couple votes that way, and that it may even be a good risk management move. And if I recall Brin also didn't actually advise us to lynch her.

Actually--sorry to bruise your ego, phantom dear--but I totally missed that you were in favour (albeit in a moderated defensible manner) of possibly voting Fea. Not that disagreement with you isn't good enough reason to disagree in and of itself.

Your argument--the potential Hakon the Hunter argument--is good, but it strikes me, at least, as unlikely. Unnecessary, too, if we actually have a second bandwaggon competing with the Hakon-waggon, where only one or two votes need to be dumped to shift the balance. Granted, that hasn't shaped up yet, but we've still got over three hours, so I'm not much worried yet.

*has had one bite of supper since his last post. Lucky that it's a cold supper, I guess*

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Alright, I'm here. I have six pages to read, but I want to get my vote in right now because I have no idea when the deadline is.

++Pitchwife

Reason - his first post.

Hi everybody, just got up and finished reading through the early morning pages. Doesn't look like I've missed anything of substance, except for discussion of the phantom's little strategy paper, which I need some time to think about. Unfortunately, I'm a bit in a hurry right now and must be off to work, but I'll be back with you shortly after the middle of the Day.
About phantom's proposal to the Bear to join forces against the wolves with us - might work for a time, but if Tame-Eye wants to win, he'll have to turn on us sooner or later, and vice-versa. The same applies to him joining the wolves against us, of course. Reminds me of the old saying: Do not attempt to treat with bears, for you are juicy and good with honey!

Translation - "No, Bear, don't join the innocents against me and my wolf friends, plzkthx."

[Pitchwife]

This is to announce that I won't be able to be around much longer toDay. DL is 5am for me, I've got an appointment in the morning and must get some sleep. Just so you know.

Durelin, pleased to meet you, and sorry for forgetting you in my list, but you hadn't posted then. And I'm glad Form is with us now - talking sober sense, as is his wont.

So I've got to start considering my vote. At the moment, I think it's going to be one of the Hakon-wainriders - but which one?
morm started the whole thing, but has been sound in everything else he said.
alona second, after saying that Hakon would be more quiet as a bear or wolf; also said the surveys suggestion felt weird, after speculating how the surveys may have influenced role-assignment in the same post.
Sally third, but maybe she was just being capricious.
autume fourth, without giving any reason that I can see, after saying earlier that she's suspicious of tp and Rikae (OK, that was in answer to Rikae's question about feelings, I think).
So - ???

[Hakon]

Alright, I'm here. I have six pages to read, but I want to get my vote in right now because I have no idea when the deadline is.

++Pitchwife

Reason - his first post.

Translation - "No, Bear, don't join the innocents against me and my wolf friends, plzkthx."

The deadline is 11 pm EST. Also good point about Pitchwife.

[Boromir88]

Alright, I'm here. I have six pages to read, but I want to get my vote in right now because I have no idea when the deadline is.


11 pm...you have a little more than 3 hours. :)

[Rikae]

That settles it for me. Shasta is a wolf-voting machine (he votes for wolves even when he doesn'twant to). I don't agree with his reasons, but as I have reasons of my own and Shasta is psychic (and therefore doesn't need reasons) I'm pretty much sure Pitchwife gets my vote. ;)

[the phantom]

Translation - "No, Bear, don't join the innocents against me and my wolf friends, plzkthx."
Is that seriously your reasoning for voting Pitchwife? Other people displayed that same exact attitude far more than he did, so I have trouble believing that's your criteria.

[Rikae]

Actually, though, the way Hakon's latching on to the Pitchwife suggestion and trying to fuel it is a bit odd. I mean, sure, he wants to save himself, but it has such an appearance of going along with the first case that looks like it might go somewhere... I have a bad feeling about it.

[Rikae]

My indecisiveness is really getting out of hand lately - just look at the last game I played. I guess it comes of living with a Libra - it's contagious.

[Durelin]

I think you disagree with the idea just because I don't. If I had fought strongly against it you'd be more open minded.

Not surprisingly, you think too highly of yourself and your impact on others. You can check my track-record on this sort of thing if you want to look through games. Doesn't matter what I am, I have standards.

But seriously, you and Form- I assume you caught the part where I said lynching Fea wasn't our best option, but that she would be useful as a vote dumping ground should our first choice prove disasterous.

And who is going to volunteer to waste their vote for the *possible* good of the village? I like it when people vote for who they are actually suspicious of in some fashion...or are forced to make it seem that way. Also, simply saving our daily (they are still daily, right?) retractions will do the same thing. If a gifted ends up on the lynching block toDay and reveals, I suppose we can all retract and vote Fea but I'd rather be sportier and just go for the next highest vote. Get no satisfaction from lynching a mod-fire.

And if I recall Brin also didn't actually advise us to lynch her.

And your point is 'great minds think alike' or something along those lines? Note I called it the 'vote-for-Fea' idea, not 'lynch Fea' idea. :)

Yes, I always take any bait to argue with anyone...

Lessee...at this point I could vote for phantom, Nessa, Nienna, Brinn...will be making up my mind soon. I guess I'd better look at Pitchwife first as he's the latest target. Also pleased to meet you. :p

There are too many people in this game I've never played with. Actually that's rather a nice change...no offense... ;) Really there's too many people in this game period...forgot Shasta was playing...well, and Lommy but she hasn't posted of course...

[the phantom]

By the way- those of you against Hakon, what do you think he is? Villain, Bear, or Cobbler? From my point of view if he's anything bad he'd be the Bear, because I seem to recall him making more than his share of Bear accusations (if he's looking for the Bear, he can't possibly be the Bear, etc, you know the drill). His reactions to the other stuff don't seem very Villainous, nor does he scream Cobbler.

I think there are worse choices than Hakon, but he's under Day 1 noob protection currently. But if it comes down to him and Pitchwife... I've never played with either of them. *sigh* I suppose I could always cast a Fea vote and make myself look terribly suspicious. :D
Not surprisingly, you think too highly of yourself and your impact on others.
Not surprisingly you like to believe that what I say isn't true. :p

[Shastanis Althreduin]

That settles it for me. Shasta is a wolf-voting machine (he votes for wolves even when he doesn'twant to). I don't agree with his reasons, but as I have reasons of my own and Shasta is psychic (and therefore doesn't need reasons) I'm pretty much sure Pitchwife gets my vote. ;)

Oh, um, er... you were following last game, were you? :rolleyes:

Is that seriously your reasoning for voting Pitchwife? Other people displayed that same exact attitude far more than he did, so I have trouble believing that's your criteria.

Phantom, did you completely miss the part where I said "I have six pages to read"?

Anyway, I think I'm all caught up now, though I probably did skim a bit due to wanting to get caught up. :rolleyes:

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Ah, see, I did skim a bit, missed this -

Not surprisingly, you think too highly of yourself and your impact on others. You can check my track-record on this sort of thing if you want to look through games. Doesn't matter what I am, I have standards.


:D :D :D My heroine!

[Pitchwife]

Oh, Shasta... *sigh* I said I wanted you to come back, but does it have to be like this?

I agree with Form to keep morm, Rikae and tp around for a little longer and give 'em enough rope. I suspect morm somewhat, but need more to go on. Same for Sally.
Rikae's starting the suspicion against me irks me somewhat (not that it hasn't happened to me before - remember I was lynched on Day 2 my last time around), but that's not enough for me to suspect her in turn. What worries me a little more is a vague notion that her asking for everybody's general feelings earlier looks like an attempt to catch somebody acting contrary to the feelings they had before, for whatever reeson...

So out of my 4 candidates, that leaves alona and autume. Not comfortable with voting for either, I must say.

(x-ed with lots)

[Nienna]

Hi I am here. Sorry I haven't been around but I could only get away with reading a little at school. I am now home (we stopped at a shelter and looked at a kitty we get to pick up on Sunday!) and have read through.

My reasoning for saying we should vote Fea would be that only one person dies today instead of two considering we are most likely going to loose two people tonight. I'm not saying that we shouldn't try to lynch a baddie but the odds are greatly against us.

I'm thinking that Hakon doesn't look like a baddie and the people who locked in their votes for him are making me the most suspicious right now.

I should be around until deadline so I won't need to make my decision right now.

Edit: x-ed with Pitchwife

[the phantom]

Phantom, did you completely miss the part where I said "I have six pages to read"?
Yes I did, laddie.

And since that is the case, I can only say- Hurry up, you slacker! :p

[Macalaure]

Let's throw something new in here:

++Alonariel

Didn't post any substance apart from her vote post (266), which, apart from fueling the then-fresh Hakon-waggon, is very agreeing and vague.

[Formendacil]

I suppose I could always cast a Fea vote and make myself look terribly suspicious. :D

phantom darling, you're one of those "suspicious until proven guilty/innocent" types. You're not demonstrably anything until you're dead and your role's come out.

Don't worry, we love you anyway.

[the phantom]

Wow, you sound like Fea. If I hadn't seen your name next to that I would've thought she was playing again.

[Formendacil]

Wow, you sound like Fea. If I hadn't seen your name next to that I would've thought she was playing again.

No, sorry... I'm afraid I've just got entirely too familiar with familiar forms of address this summer--I blame the English novels--and somehow, online, everyone seems somewhat flirt-worthy.

It'd be an interesting game, though, wouldn't it, if I were to try and play ala Fea.

I couldn't do it--I'd break down about two posts into Day 2 and turn back into a pumpkin. :p

[the phantom]

I've got to run. I'll try my best to pop in from time to time, but I have a heavy task in front of me. I won't forget to vote of course. Cheers!

[Nienna]

And really just because I haven't had time to do this yet. The narration (http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs189.snc1/6329_517856924128_71700994_30955537_1143481_n.jpg) is ready to be analyzed.

[Nienna]

And Brinn is the biggest of all the people... not sure what that says if anything... just mentioning.

[Durelin]

phantom darling, you're one of those "suspicious until proven guilty/innocent" types. You're not demonstrably anything until you're dead and your role's come out.

Hah.

Don't worry, we love you anyway.

I was under the impression he only had fan-girls, and that they were pretty quiet or non-existant this game. I guess I was wrong.

It's way too hard to be 'productive' in this game.

++Nessa

Her posts #151 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606643&postcount=151), 154, and 159 are particularly unnerving. Maybe it's just that I disagree with her plain and simply, and that her personality rubs me the wrong way (which of course I kinda how I feel about Hakon... >_>). Basically she seems to be trying very hard to be agreeable and to discuss *something* and ends up commentating on the situation and making really weird generalizations about Day 1 and voting.

But one more musical number out of phantom and he's getting my vote the rest of the game.

[Boromir88]

Highlight your vote Durelin...I gotta be a stickler. :)

[Pitchwife]

OK, I've already staid awake much longer than I should. Time to vote.
I hate to vote a fellow newbie on Day 1, but for reasons given above, it's either alona and autume. Can't really make up my mind, but -
Oh, well.
++alonariel
for what Mac said. Sorry if I'm wrong.

And Rikae, please be indecisive some more. If you really are.

[Lariren Shadow]

Not sure what to think about whats been happening. Nienna is seeming slightly more innocent. But not much more than before.

Votes!

Rikae--> Rikae
Form--> Mira
Morm--> Hakon
Alona--> Hakon
Sally--> Hakon
Brinn--> Morm
Autume--> Hakon
--Rikae---Rikae
--Form---Mira
Shasta --> Pitchwife
Mac --> Alona
Durelin --> Nessa
Pitchwife --> Alona

So Hakon 4. Alona 2. Morm, Nessa, and, Pitchwife 1.

[Rikae]

Mac, hm, I can't really see the suspiciousness of that post. It looks like best-friends-with-Lari-ishness followed by a sort of placeholder vote - plus, alona won't be around to defend herself until later, as she said. Nah, on second thought, I'd better vote for someone else.

[Rikae]

Dury's points about Nessa are good, too, and make me more inclined to vote her (Nessa).

[Lariren Shadow]

I am off for a little, will hopefully be back before deadline(as in stealing a computer). I don't see where the Alona suspicion is coming from, but Mac's ideas seem innocent enough.

[Nienna]

I agree that Mac's vote for Alona seems fine while Pitchwife's seems a little desperate to join a bandwagon. I'm still trying to find out how he narrowed it down to Tum and Alona... but that worries me a bit.

[Inziladun]

This is a lot of bloody posts for a Day 1. I suppose in a way that's good, but nearly the first two pages were posts of banter and backwards/upside down/unintelligible characters. :rolleyes:

Rather than make lists of my impressions of eveyone, I'll zero in on what I find noteworthy at the moment.
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I don't know about the Hakon bandwagon. He's acted oddly, sure. The piling on seems wrong though.

The push for Alon sure came out of nowhere. If you just don't want to hop on the Hakon train, there must be a better option somewhere.

I've pretty much agreed with tp, until he started the 'vote Fea if you can't think of anyone else' idea. I don't see that as helpful, at least not to innocents. Which leads me to....

Rikae. I'd already thought her argument with tp about his comments to the Bear overblown. She was initially against him regarding Fea.

I'd generally advocate voting for the doomed player to prolong the game and allow more time for discussion on which to base our lynches, but in this case, it seems like a bad idea. The baddies have two kills per night (unless Fea is the werebear!) so delay is going to set us back more. We need to try and get the number of Night kills down asap, and we won't do that by lynching Fea.

But then:

Hmm... you know, you have a point there, phantom. On second thought, I believe you're right - lynching Fea may be our safest option. I'm not going to cast my vote just yet, but Fea is worth considering.

All right. Swayed by tp: it's happened to many, no doubt. However.....

However, come to think of it, Brinn and Nienna are also rather suspicious for the Fea-voting talk - I would say Nienna more than Brinn, since she's more low-key about it, as if trying to avoid drawing attention to herself. Interesting that Boro found Brinn suspicious for this, but not Nienna.

Then she tries to make a case on Pitchwife.

There's something about Pitchwife... I read his posts and find myself nodding my head, going "at least someone is making some sense"... but in my past experience, posts like that usually came from wolves. Perhaps it's because of the wolfish tendency to be non-controversial and so on...

So he's suspicious because he makes sense and doesn't cause controversy?

My indecisiveness is really getting out of hand lately - just look at the last game I played. I guess it comes of living with a Libra - it's contagious.

Oh. Well I'm a Libra myself, as it happens. I won't say this is written in stone at the moment, but unless some momentous event occurs:

++ Rikae

[Rikae]

Inzil, before accusing me based on inconsistency re: voting for Fea, look again at the post where I advocate it and read as if you were reading Nerwen - or, more specifically, the part at the top.

[Nienna]

Since Lari has departed:

Rikae--> Rikae
Form--> Mira
Morm--> Hakon
Alona--> Hakon
Sally--> Hakon
Brinn--> Morm
Autume--> Hakon
--Rikae---Rikae
--Form---Mira
Shasta --> Pitchwife
Mac --> Alona
Durelin --> Nessa
Pitchwife --> Alona
Zil --> Rikae


So Hakon 4. Alona 2. Rikae, Morm, Nessa, and, Pitchwife 1.

[Pitchwife]

I agree that Mac's vote for Alona seems fine while Pitchwife's seems a little desperate to join a bandwagon. I'm still trying to find out how he narrowed it down to Tum and Alona... but that worries me a bit.
I haven't 'narrowed it down' if you mean I have better reeson to suspect them than morm and sally. It's just that I think morm is more useful to keep around if innocent, and sally - I don't know, I'd just like to hear more of her. But I'm a lousy Day 1 voter anyway.
Of course, if I retract now, it'll look like I'm desperate to fend off the bandwagoning accusation. So what am I supposed to do?
Nevertheless, on further consideration...
--alonariel
++satansaloser2005
Third on the wagon, and hers definitely not a placeholder vote. There.

And that's it for now. Good night everybody. Hope to see most of you in the Morning.

[Nienna]

Rikae--> Rikae
Form--> Mira
Morm--> Hakon
Alona--> Hakon
Sally--> Hakon
Brinn--> Morm
Autume--> Hakon
--Rikae---Rikae
--Form---Mira
Shasta --> Pitchwife
Mac --> Alona
Durelin --> Nessa
Pitchwife --> Alona
Zil --> Rikae
--Pitchwife -- Alona
Pitchwife --> Sally


So Hakon 4. Alona, Sally, Rikae, Morm, Nessa, and, Pitchwife 1.

Edit: Itallics means Locked In vote

[Rikae]

Also to Inzil: As for the wolfishness of not causing controversy, yeah, that's pretty well known wolf lore. Wolves don't care who is lynched, as long as none of their fellows are threatened - they just want to survive. Innocents should want to actually hunt down the wolves, and that means making some waves, not stating the obvious.

Trap 1. I thought tp had to be advocating the Fea lynch as a wolf-trap. The last line of his post especially made me think he was suggesting it as a safe vote so that wolves would incriminate themselves. I went along with that, but wanted him to know I wasn't serious, hence the "trap" bit. Nienna and Brinn looked like possible victims of the trap.

Pitchwife is really starting to look jumpy, while explaining that he knows he looks jumpy... heh. Methinks the laddie doth protest too much.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Can I just say that I hate the "voting to keep around someone more useful" reason for voting? It's the main reason I got into it with Nogrod two games ago - it's basically a slap in the face to someone who may not have been able to participate, etc.

Also, Pitchwife backs off his alona vote when pressed? Interesting. My vote stands, for now.

Edit: X'ed with Rikae.

[Rikae]

I'm going to go with my gut feeling on this.

++Pitchwife

[alonariel]

Alona: don't like her vote.

Anyway, this Hakon-waggon is getting out of hands. Who do you think we should put on the rails instead?

Because it came after morm's? I guess that does seem off, but then, I was accused of piggy-backing on your thoughts last game, Mac. Guess I better work on my originality some more, huh? ;)

By the way- those of you against Hakon, what do you think he is? Villain, Bear, or Cobbler?

I'm leaning towards either Cobbler or Bear, but again, it's Day 1, and it's largely a hunch. I will admit to being a little annoyed with Hakon early on, but I still am getting vibes off his posts. I don't want to think it's all newbie mistakes... That said, I wouldn't discount autume, either. Are there any other newbies here, besides myself and the two I mentioned?

Let's throw something new in here:

++Alonariel

Didn't post any substance apart from her vote post (266), which, apart from fueling the then-fresh Hakon-waggon, is very agreeing and vague.

Sorry! I've been at work from 12 to 6 and have been playing catch up with all the posts. Is this payback for voting for you on Day 1 last game? :eek:

Mac, hm, I can't really see the suspiciousness of that post. It looks like best-friends-with-Lari-ishness followed by a sort of placeholder vote - plus, alona won't be around to defend herself until later, as she said. Nah, on second thought, I'd better vote for someone else.

I don't know you that well (though I've heard great things from people!), but thank you for that.

[Inziladun]

Ah, Pitchwife. I didn't think you voteworthy before, though your latching onto Alon for no real reason made me a bit uneasy. Now you've retracted just to appear less suspicious? *sigh*

[alonariel]

Rikae --> Rikae
Form --> Mira
Morm --> Hakon
Alona --> Hakon
Sally --> Hakon
Brinn --> Morm
Autume --> Hakon
--Rikae --Rikae
--Form --Mira
Shasta --> Pitchwife
Mac --> Alona
Durelin --> Nessa
Pitchwife --> Alona
Zil --> Rikae
--Pitchwife --Alona
Pitchwife --> Sally
Rikae --> Pitchwife
Nessa --> Rikae


So Hakon 4, Pitchwife 2, Rikae 2. Alona, Sally, Morm, and Nessa 1.

Edit: Itallics means Locked In vote

[Nessa Telrunya]

Oh, wow, so many posts. @_@ Seems I have garnered a vote. I really must remember to congratulate myself. Late deadlines are always difficult for me, since I hit the hay pretty early, and must vote early, if I am to vote at all. ++Rikae If only for my dislike of how you seem to jump down everyone's throats. Night :)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Rikae - Rikae (Rikae1)
Form - Mira (Rikae1, Mira1)
Morm - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon1)
Alona - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon2)
Sally - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon3)
Brinn - Morm (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon3, Morm1)
Autume - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon4, Morm1)
Rikae - --Rikae (Mira1, Hakon4, Morm1)
Form - --Mira (Hakon4, Morm1)
Shasta - Pitchwife (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1)
Mac - Alona (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona1)
Durelin - Nessa (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona1, Nessa1)
Pitchwife - Alona (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona2, Nessa1)
Zil - Rikae (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona2, Nessa1, Rikae1)
Pitchwife - --Alona, ++Sally (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona1, Nessa1, Rikae1, Sally1)
Rikae - Pitchwife (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife2, Alona1, Nessa1, Rikae1, Sally1)
Nessa - Rikae (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife2, Alona1, Nessa1, Rikae2, Sally1)

To vote: Fea, Form, Hakon, Lari, Lommy, Mac, Mira, Nerwen, Nienna, Phantom.

Noteworthy: Pitchwife seemed to freak a bit after suspicion turned to him and jumped on Mac's vote for alona, but why didn't he vote for Hakon if he were evil?

Edit: X'ed with Alona and Nessa, and added Nessa's vote.

Edit2: Removed Nessa from "To vote:" list.

[Nienna]

Rikae --> Rikae
Form --> Mira
Morm --> Hakon
Alona --> Hakon
Sally --> Hakon
Brinn --> Morm
Autume --> Hakon
--Rikae --Rikae
--Form --Mira
Shasta --> Pitchwife
Mac --> Alona
Durelin --> Nessa
Pitchwife --> Alona
Zil --> Rikae
--Pitchwife --Alona
Pitchwife --> Sally
Rikae --> Pitchwife


So Hakon 4, Pitchwife 2. Alona, Sally, Rikae, Morm, and Nessa 1.

Edit: Itallics means Locked In vote

Rikae's is locked in too :P FYI

[Inziladun]

Rikae's is locked in too :P FYI

I thought she retracted hers for herself.

*facepalm*
scratch that

[mormegil]

Trap 1. I thought tp had to be advocating the Fea lynch as a wolf-trap. The last line of his post especially made me think he was suggesting it as a safe vote so that wolves would incriminate themselves. I went along with that, but wanted him to know I wasn't serious, hence the "trap" bit. Nienna and Brinn looked like possible victims of the trap.

Pitchwife is really starting to look jumpy, while explaining that he knows he looks jumpy... heh. Methinks the laddie doth protest too much.

I've been watching Pitchwife since many were talking about him and I have noticed a few subtle cues that lead me to believe him suspicious. There was one thing in particular though I can't remember where and I'm a bit too lazy now to go find it, that made me wonder. Perhaps I'll go look after I post this.

[Lariren Shadow]

Can I just say that I hate the "voting to keep around someone more useful" reason for voting? It's the main reason I got into it with Nogrod two games ago - it's basically a slap in the face to someone who may not have been able to participate, etc.

Also, Pitchwife backs off his alona vote when pressed? Interesting. My vote stands, for now.

Edit: X'ed with Rikae.

For some reason that has been a reason to keep people. Like the phantom. And at times they are useful and at times they are a wolf. But then they get lynched a few Days later.

I really want to have some more time to read through before voting and dinner calls.

[mormegil]

Rikae - Rikae (Rikae1)
Form - Mira (Rikae1, Mira1)
Morm - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon1)
Alona - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon2)
Sally - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon3)
Brinn - Morm (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon3, Morm1)
Autume - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon4, Morm1)
Rikae - --Rikae (Mira1, Hakon4, Morm1)
Form - --Mira (Hakon4, Morm1)
Shasta - Pitchwife (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1)
Mac - Alona (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona1)
Durelin - Nessa (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona1, Nessa1)
Pitchwife - Alona (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona2, Nessa1)
Zil - Rikae (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona2, Nessa1, Rikae1)
Pitchwife - --Alona, ++Sally (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona1, Nessa1, Rikae1, Sally1)
Rikae - Pitchwife (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife2, Alona1, Nessa1, Rikae1, Sally1)
Nessa - Rikae (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife2, Alona1, Nessa1, Rikae2, Sally1)



All I wanted to say is that when I saw this it gave me some nostalgia. Wasn't it SpM that first came up with this format? Nice to see that it still sticks.

[Formendacil]

All I wanted to say is that when I saw this it gave me some nostalgia. Wasn't it SpM that first came up with this format? Nice to see that it still sticks.

I don't remember, myself... but I think that format's been playing WW longer than I have. Which is saying something.:smokin:

Hmm... I suppose it's time to vote. We're into the final hour, and there's no real point kicking around and waiting.

I'm off to take a last look at the promising bandwaggons list, and whatever posts are new, then to vote. Now's your chance to convince me of your pet cause, if you want to garner my vote. It's going for cheap tonight.:p

[Inziladun]

Pitchwife has bounded up my list of suspects. As Shasta said, why didn't he pile on Hakon though? Unless he thought it was too obvious?
Hakon still has the lead.

[mormegil]

I haven't 'narrowed it down' if you mean I have better reeson to suspect them than morm and sally. It's just that I think morm is more useful to keep around if innocent, and sally - I don't know, I'd just like to hear more of her. But I'm a lousy Day 1 voter anyway.
Of course, if I retract now, it'll look like I'm desperate to fend off the bandwagoning accusation. So what am I supposed to do?
Nevertheless, on further consideration...
--alonarie
++satansaloser2005
Third on the wagon, and hers definitely not a placeholder vote. There.

And that's it for now. Good night everybody. Hope to see most of you in the Morning.

Okay, this was the post. It really seemed padded. "Look what I'm doing I know will be questioned but I'm going to do it anyway so don't suspect me okay" This concerns me because by openly admitting that it will be suspicious and he does it anyway we naturally want to give him the pass.

However, with that said I reviewed a lot more of his posts looking for this one and besides this post there wasn't anything specific that caught my attention. It could be that I listened to others too much as these things go.

My suspects are Brinn, Hakon, Pitch and Rikae.

[wilwarin538]

Wild-eye is an elvish-mark'd, abortive, rooting hog.

40 minutes people.

[Rikae]

Oh, wow, so many posts. @_@ Seems I have garnered a vote. I really must remember to congratulate myself. Late deadlines are always difficult for me, since I hit the hay pretty early, and must vote early, if I am to vote at all. ++Rikae If only for my dislike of how you seem to jump down everyone's throats. Night :)
You ain't seen nothing yet. You're in luck, though - unlike some, I base my votes on actual suspicion, not annoyance.
You have breezed through remarkably unhelpfully, though, and while it's probably too late to lynch you toDay, toMorrow I will make sure you receive the scrutiny you deserve.

[alonariel]

Wild-eye is an elvish-mark'd, abortive, rooting hog.

40 minutes people.

Now that is quite a picture.

[wilwarin538]

Now that is quite a picture.

haha, gotta love Shakespearean insults...

[alonariel]

Where are the 10 some odd people that still have to vote...?

[wilwarin538]

30 minutes

[Nienna]

*purrs over Shakespeare*

Well with deadline fast approaching I'm going to vote but I'll still be around until the end.

Pitchwife is being the most suspicious to me after his weird voting thing. Of everyone he seems the most baddie-like.

++Pitchwife

[Nienna]

Rikae--> Rikae
Form--> Mira
Morm--> Hakon
Alona--> Hakon
Sally--> Hakon
Brinn--> Morm
Autume--> Hakon
--Rikae---Rikae
--Form---Mira
Shasta --> Pitchwife
Mac --> Alona
Durelin --> Nessa
Pitchwife --> Alona
Zil --> Rikae
--Pitchwife -- Alona
Pitchwife --> Sally
Rikae --> Pitchwife
Nessa --> Rikae
Nienna --> Pitchwife
Form --> Nessa


So Hakon 4, Pitchwife3, Rikae and Nessa 2. Alona, Sally, and Morm 1.

[Formendacil]

The vote count, barring any cross-posting that may occur, as I make this decision is: Hakon 4, Pitchwife 2. Alona 1, Sally 1, Rikae 2, Morm 1, and Nessa 1.

My options, at this point, are twofold, if we discount No Voting--which I've already said I dislike. Option 1 is to add to an existing person's vote-count, which is to say one of the above. Or to add to that list by voting for someone new. Quite often, I choose the latter Day 1 strategy, but in the current, charged, atmosphere, I'm not sure that a random vote for Shasta, Lari, or Brinn is all that sporting--though Shasta has already displayed the knack of rubbing me wrong, probably because in suspecting Rikae, he's suspecting someone I think made sense today.

And, all things considered, I think I'd rather have a useful vote today. Starting a new bandwaggon isn't much help there, since that spreads the votes thinner. And as I have a hunch Hakon is innocent, I suppose that means I ought to be contributing to someone else who could possibly beat him.

Thing is, though, Rikae and Pitchwife are tied for second place, and Pitchwife really hasn't set my radar off any more than Rikae has. Admittedly, it's Day 1 and nobody's dead yet, but not setting my radar off is a good thing in a game where I told Boromir "but I don't really trust ANYBODY in this game" in the survey. As for the other four, Morm is on my don't kill list, because--yes--I think he can be useful. Sally's just fun, and I said I didn't want to kill her. As for the other two... well... I don't know that it's so much I want them alive as I don't see a pressing need to have them dead.

Nessa or Alona? It's bad form, perhaps, but they're almost the same person in my head... both played last game... Nessa was the wolf then, and Alona has the nicer avatar, but that's about all I can say to differentiate them.

Let's see... Rikae voted Nessa and Pitchwife voted Alona. Well, I guess I'd rather be wrong with Rikae than wrong with Pitchwife, and it's Day 1, so that's about all I've got.

++ Nessa

EDIT: X-posted with everyone since Inziladun.

[Lariren Shadow]

As to where I am, finished with dinner and listening to my cat kill the bird she didn't catch (caught by a different cat) and cringing. Poor birdy.

Bah I guess this means I have to vote now because it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to be here before the deadline. Man the computer I'm using has a bad keyboard.

And the bird is still crying in distress.

Zil hasn't been sounding so good since I last did my list. Its just a feeling I get from his posts. And since Mac's vote made him look more innocent to me I guess I'm going to vote for

++Zil

[the phantom]

Meh- I don't like it that the flow is really against Pitchwife now after he is gone and can't say anything. I'm not criticizing all suspicion of him- the timing just upsets me.

Anyway, I can't say much more now. Still tied up here. I'm hoping to come free before the end, but I'll at least get a vote in no matter what.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

--though Shasta has already displayed the knack of rubbing me wrong, probably because in suspecting Rikae

Form, you've never liked me in any games you've played with me, I get that, but I've never seen you blatantly lie about me before. I haven't suspected Rikae at all, and I'd like to know just where you got that particular assumption.

[Boromir88]

I ♥ all vote talliers. Anyone tallies votes gets 10,000 points from the Mod.

(Too bad points mean nothing in this game) :p

[wilwarin538]

20 minutes

I do not ♥ Wild-eye.

[Rikae]

Hm, I hate to point it out, since I think Nessa is suspicious anyway and Form seems to base his vote on it to some extent, but I didn't vote for her - I voted for Pitchwife.

Shasta, considering Formy mixed that up, he probably just mixed your suspicions up too...

[satansaloser2005]

KETCHUP!!!!!


If you want to catch Butterflitilicouctus that's your loss...not mine.
Hehe. I read Butterflirtillcactus or something.

A question for everyone: how do you feel about the phantom (in general, not in this game specifically). Do you tend to trust him?

Does anyone have strong feelings about Hakon, alona, Nessa or autume (the newer players, I think)?

Also, if you fear me, please step forward - I'd enjoy the ego boost. :D

EDIT: Bolding names and also want to clarify - strong feelings about the newbies in general, rather than in this game.
In a person sense I trust Phantom, so that tends to bleed into the game a bit, but of course it does with all of you. I'm aware of how tricksy he is so I give him the benefit of the doubt but am always ready to kick myself for being wrong.

Newbies are newbies and I have no feelings on them as a group. Erm, I'm running short on time so I'm not gonna go through each of them now, sorry.

And Rikae, you scare the Skaro out of me.


Hm, I thought you had played more, Pitchwife. Another question, then - does anyone have a strong opinion on Pitchwife, in general?
Incidentally I was under the impression (not that he said it, just a feeling) that he'd been around here for ages, so....blah, heck if I know, but I thought it was interesting.

I ♥ Lari. I hope you're here at the DL so I can get up-to-date voting tallies. Instead of trolling through pages to get all the votes :D

If she's not and I'm around I'd be happy to serve. ;)


I ♥ alona, I ♥ tum, I ♥ Brinn, I ♥ Durelin, I ♥ Fea, I ♥ Hakon, I ♥ Dun, I ♥ Lommy. I ♥ Mac. I ♥ Mira. I ♥ morm, I ♥ Nerwen, I ♥ Nessa, I ♥ Nienna, I ♥ Pitch, I ♥ Rikae, I ♥ sally, I ♥ Shasta, I ♥ tp.

Awwww, thanks, sweetheart. Love you too! &hearts;

For some reason that reminded me of an old song....

A little bit of Dury in my life
A little bit of Lommy by my side
A little bit of Nerwen's all I need
A little bit of Lari's what I see....

*laughs*
And now I have it stuck in my head. Jerk. I may just parody it during the Night for kicks.

That settles it for me. Shasta is a wolf-voting machine (he votes for wolves even when he doesn'twant to). I don't agree with his reasons, but as I have reasons of my own and Shasta is psychic (and therefore doesn't need reasons) I'm pretty much sure Pitchwife gets my vote.
Trufax. He's got mad skills, that child, so maybe you're right.

I haven't 'narrowed it down' if you mean I have better reeson to suspect them than morm and sally. It's just that I think morm is more useful to keep around if innocent, and sally - I don't know, I'd just like to hear more of her. But I'm a lousy Day 1 voter anyway.
Of course, if I retract now, it'll look like I'm desperate to fend off the bandwagoning accusation. So what am I supposed to do?
Nevertheless, on further consideration...
--alonariel
++satansaloser2005
Third on the wagon, and hers definitely not a placeholder vote. There.

And that's it for now. Good night everybody. Hope to see most of you in the Morning.

WHAT?!?! Sorry, don't get me wrong. I love the attention, and I don't mind the vote, but that reasoning just screams wolf to me. More on this in the next post.

[Boromir88]

20 minutes

I do not ♥ Wild-eye.

:(

Any ♥ from you is sure to be poison anyway. The withered black thing that it is...:D

[Macalaure]

12 pages of Day 1. If you people are trying to create an environment in which wolves are easily able to hide, you're doing a great job at it. Seriously, what's too much is too much. :rolleyes:

Sorry! I've been at work from 12 to 6 and have been playing catch up with all the posts. Is this payback for voting for you on Day 1 last game?

Payback? Not at all. Everybody gets voted for all the time and I never had a harsh feeling for being voted (well, lynched maybe, and even then only briefly). I do find your post suspicious, even though it was an early-ish one (i.e. from page 7(?) :rolleyes: ), and felt that some pressure was due, especially since you were going to be back before the deadline. I'm not sure how to interpret your reaction now.


I was considering Pitchwife before, who now is Hakon's top contender, but somehow his actions, while strange enough, are exactly wolvish. Neither do I think Rikae and Nessa are evil.

*not happy*

[satansaloser2005]

Hakon 4
Pitchie 3
Rikae 2
Nessa 2
Alona 1
Sally 1
Morm 1
Dun 1

[Formendacil]

Form, you've never liked me in any games you've played with me, I get that, but I've never seen you blatantly lie about me before. I haven't suspected Rikae at all, and I'd like to know just where you got that particular assumption.

What?

Hmm... must have been a misread or a mismemory... Perhaps an association of disliked idea with disliked player? All the same, if so, it's quite unconscionable of me. I'm quite sure someone said something that must have triggered me on this... let me go back and check.

[Hakon]

I am sorry to say I am desperate to save my skin. I might change this last minute. He also does look very suspicious.

++Pitchwife

Mac, I agree with you on the pages. This thread already has more pages then the last game thread and this one has only been one day.

[satansaloser2005]

Pitchie bothers the heck out of me now, dang it. The problem is that I don't feel right lynching him (well, telling you guys to, since my vote's locked) when he's left and now won't be able to explain why he did something so strange.

People. Tell me what you're thinking. Right now.

[satansaloser2005]

Hakon 4
Pitchie 4
Rikae 2
Nessa 2
Alona 1
Sally 1
Morm 1
Dun 1

[alonariel]

Pitchie bothers the heck out of me now, dang it. The problem is that I don't feel right lynching him (well, telling you guys to, since my vote's locked) when he's left and now won't be able to explain why he did something so strange.

People. Tell me what you're thinking. Right now.

I think Pitchwife panicked, to be quite honest. I'm more inclined to believe cobblery or bear-ery (?) from Hakon than Pitchwife.

[wilwarin538]

People. Tell me what you're thinking. Right now.

I want cake.....

10 minutes

[Macalaure]

With no support this vote makes no sense in any case, so:

--Alonariel

Pure gut-feeling with no explanations:

++Inziladun

[satansaloser2005]

I think Pitchwife panicked, to be quite honest. I'm more inclined to believe cobblery or bear-ery (?) from Hakon than Pitchwife.

That's what I'm hoping. But the fact that he voted me instead of Hakon (or someone else with votes for that matter) makes me think that he's more concerned about the way votes make him look than the actual vote count.


Back in a tick.

[mormegil]

If you are worried about the volume of posts be thankful Lommy isn't here :p. She would have added at least 2 pages on her own.

[satansaloser2005]

EDIT: I had a vote count here but realized it was inaccurate, so I tried to fix it, only to have the internet freeze on me. So here lies an incorrect vote count that I tried to delete/fix almost an hour ago. Kthnxbye.

[wilwarin538]

PS Bear-ery is my new word of the day....

[Formendacil]

Hm, I hate to point it out, since I think Nessa is suspicious anyway and Form seems to base his vote on it to some extent, but I didn't vote for her - I voted for Pitchwife.

Shasta, considering Formy mixed that up, he probably just mixed your suspicions up too...

I blame whomever's vote list I scrolled down while posting to consult. Or mis-read, as the case may have been.

Ah, well, it's amusing given that I based my vote, somewhat, on your authority, but I think I still like the vote--and just as well, I guess, since I can't retract.

Still looking into the Shasta confusion.

[Nienna]

Rikae--> Rikae
Form--> Mira
Morm--> Hakon
Alona--> Hakon
Sally--> Hakon
Brinn--> Morm
Autume--> Hakon
--Rikae---Rikae
--Form---Mira
Shasta --> Pitchwife
Mac --> Alona
Durelin --> Nessa
Pitchwife --> Alona
Zil --> Rikae
--Pitchwife -- Alona
Pitchwife --> Sally
Rikae --> Pitchwife
Nessa --> Rikae
Nienna --> Pitchwife
Form --> Nessa
Lari --> Zil
Hakon --> Pitchwife
--Mac -- Alona
Mac --> Zil


So Hakon 4, Pitchwife4, Rikae, Zil and Nessa 2, Sally, and Morm 1.

[wilwarin538]

5 minutes

[alonariel]

Rikae--> Rikae
Form--> Mira
Morm--> Hakon
Alona--> Hakon
Sally--> Hakon
Brinn--> Morm
Autume--> Hakon
--Rikae---Rikae
--Form---Mira
Shasta --> Pitchwife
Mac --> Alona
Durelin --> Nessa
Pitchwife --> Alona
Zil --> Rikae
--Pitchwife -- Alona
Pitchwife --> Sally
Rikae --> Pitchwife
Nessa --> Rikae
Nienna --> Pitchwife
Form --> Nessa
Lari --> Zil
Hakon --> Pitchwife
--Mac -- Alona
Mac --> Zil


So Hakon 4, Pitchwife4, Rikae, Zil and Nessa 2, Sally, and Morm 1.

♥ Nienna.

[wilwarin538]

♥ Nienna.

Indeed

[Nienna]

♥ Nienna.

Aww thanks dear! ♥

[wilwarin538]

2 minutes

[Hakon]

Since I might die here is a goodbye post. Goodbye.

[the phantom]

I'm extremely tempted to vote Rikae, but I have hardly read anything the past two pages and don't want to do anything drastic now.

Oh, what the heck.

++Rikae

[autume98]

I'm retracting my vote for Hakon.

--Hakon

++Pitchwife

Had a quick chance to go through the posts and at this point Pitchwife looks more suspicous than Hakon. I'll expand on this on Day 2. Just wanted to get this in.

[Formendacil]

Can I just say that I hate the "voting to keep around someone more useful" reason for voting? It's the main reason I got into it with Nogrod two games ago - it's basically a slap in the face to someone who may not have been able to participate, etc.

Also, Pitchwife backs off his alona vote when pressed? Interesting. My vote stands, for now.

Edit: X'ed with Rikae.

Okay... so that's the best I've got. I can only assume I lined up the wrong avatars with the wrong posts (did that last game too, I think...), had the wrong person in my head (I, um, am not sure it's safe to make guesses any more without real research... but Pitchwife maybe?), scrolled down and saw the quoted post, caught the X-ed with Rikae bit, did the math, and somehow came out with "Shasta is all wrong."

Not going to say you can't be all wrong, but in this particular case that would appear to have absolutely no grounding in the posts I thought it did.

[the phantom]

Here's what we know-

INNOCENT
Candor Man

POSSIBLY GUILTY
Everyone Else

HOTTIE
Dark Monarch

[Hakon]

Here's what we know-

INNOCENT
Candor Man

POSSIBLY GUILTY
Everyone Else

HOTTIE
Dark Monarch

Nice post dude.

Sorry too late for me to retract my saving skin vote.

[Boromir88]

The D-league vs. the Dark Monarch Volume 1, Issue 7: Thou of awesomeness, we salute you.

"So, Fea is going to die at the end anyway? I'm tempted to vote her." said tp.

"Anyone who votes for Fea will automatically get a vote from me." said morm.

"I would normally agree with you tp." began Rikae. "But with the amount of villains, and number of deaths each night, we should vote someone else to give us another chance at catching a villain today."

"I'm not saying we should all vote for and lynch Fea." protested tp. "I'm saying let's give her a few votes, so she can be a safe fall back if it just so happens the leading vote getter says 'I'm the Hunter'"

Ahh...said most of the villagers. All seeming to agree tp was making the most sense, but at the same time not trusting his motives.

I needed the shelter of Brinn's arms, there you were.
I needed you sally to understand my ups and downs, there you were.
With sweet love and devotion
Deeply touching my emotion
I just want to stop and thank you wilwa
I just want to stop and thank you Dury
How sweet it is to be loved by you.
(Compliments to James Taylor)

"That's it," declared Durelin. " ++the phantom "

"I still say Fea." said Lommy. "She's too beautiful to be kept alive."

"And too smart." added Pitch.

"Plus too clever." chimed in Nerwen.

"Not to mention too scary." shivered Hakon

"Did someone already say too beautiful?" asked Form

Fea, who had been silent the entire time decided to speak up. "Basically you all want to kill me because I'm awesome then?"

"Yes Fea." said Nienna. "Whatever you touch is awesome. We can not deal with all your awesomeness."

The heroes made their first decision. It would be Fea, but as they all closed around her, Fea suddenly dropped dead.

"What happened?" asked alona.

"I think she died because she was so awesome." said Shasta.

"You can die from awesomeness? I didn't know that." Lari sounded impressed.

"Well how many people did we know as awesome as Fea?" asked Mira. But it was a rhetorical question, because all the heroes knew the answer was "no one."

Fea lie dead caused by pure awesomeness. Everyone waited around to see if there was a transformation. There was none. She was an ordo.

~~

"Well, that didn't turn out as well as expected." said tum. "Should we try another?"

The heroes decided they would try their luck at another. But who? The controversial Hakon? The subtetly suspicious Pitch? The bear-mongerers Rikae and tp? The some-reason-presumed-to-be-dangerous Nessa?

"How about Hakon?" said morm.

"It won't do good killing me!" protested Hakon.

"Pitch is kind of suspicious for some reason." said Shasta.

"Yes." agreed Rikae "He sounds reasonable, yet doesn't post too much."

"You're making a HUGE mistake!" screamed Pitch as he entered back with the rest.

"Why is that?" they all asked at the same time.

"I'M YOUR SEER FOR PETE'S SAKE!" Pitch was irate. "YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL LISTENED TO THE PHANTOM."

All the heroes looked around at first. Startled, questioning whether he was bluffing.

"Too late now." said Nienna. "Sorry."

Pitch called his flies to help him escape. They came! They were coming! Get here, Get here my brethren! The flies came in the nick of time to lift Pitch up and out of the crowd looking for blood. He soared higher and higher, this time way above the treetops. He kept climbing higher, but they only kept lifting him up. The flies quickly dropped Pitch, and he fell long, hard, and hit with a mighty splat.

Pitch was dead. The heroes gathered around, and out of his hand roled a magical eye. The eye of Wild-eye. The Heroes seer was dead.

"Told you this would happen." said tp bowing his head.
Living

wilwa (the Dark Monarch)

alonariel- Rosemancer, creates useful, everyday charms
autume- Lady Tum, The Fish Whisperer, can converse with fish
Brinn- Butterfingers (aka The Klutz) breaks everything she touches
Durelin- Felis Grey, under the impression her domestic cats obey her
Fea- Docter Girlfriend, can flirt exceptionally for unusually long intervals
Formendacil- Celibateman, saving girls everywhere from awkward 1st dates
Hakon- Leaf man, can grow leaves on his limbs whenever he wants
Inziladun- Docter Electron, can predict the precise moment a light bulb will blow
Lari- Hover girl, can hover 3 feet off the ground
Lommy- Prin-Guin, claimed princess of the penguins, wears a penguin suit and crown
Macalaure- The Incredible Sulk, when angry he turns green and pouts
Mira- Narcolepsy girl, falls asleep at the most inoppurtune moment
morm- Athletes Foot Man, grows edible green fungus in feet
Nerwen- The Reverser, can read and write backwards
Nessa- Laughing Lass, can make others laugh uncontrollably
Nienna- Word Cloud Girl, analyzes people based on the frequency of the words they use
Pitchwife- Studebaker Hawk, flies by covering legs in syrup which attracts a swarm of flies
Rikae- Doktor Von und Zum Quatsch
sally- Movie quotes girl, quotes/recognizes quotes out of movies and TV
Shasta- Mr. E., always cast in shadows
the phantom- Candor Man not to be confused with Condor Man, the truth is brutal

Dead

Boro- Wild-eye (Night 1)
Fea- Doctor Girlfriend, died from sheer awesomeness (Day 1) - ordo
Pitch- Studebaker Hawk, fell to his death (Day 1) - seer

It is now NIGHT 2. Villains talk and send in a kill. Bear send in a kill. Hunter and Ranger choices. BFFs you know what to do.

Edit: the narrations contain no hints to people's roles. I stuck with what the general idea of the heroes were towards something, or a person. If you think I've misrepresented you, you can PM me. Thanks

[Boromir88]

The D-league vs. the Dark Monarch Volume 1, Issue 8: Double Trouble

Hakon was still up in his room, thinking about the previous day. He couldn't believe they had lynched their seer. How were they going to win now? It would take a miracle.

He continued to pace around the room, when not even deciding to use the door, but instead going right through the wall was a giant beast. It was the shapeshifter, it had come for Hakon. Tonight the bear looked particularly annoyed, or at least more annoyed than normal for a killer bear. It didn't even want to waste time with politeness.

Hakon began sprouting leaves out of his arms, he was trying to wrap himself into a protective shield of leaves. It was no use, he did not stand a chance against the powerful bear's razor-sharp claws. With a quick three slashes the bear had felled the Leaf Man.

~~

Nearly at the same time, but in a room on the other side of the B&B, there was another disturbance coming from Lari's room.

*Knock*Knock* "Let us in, Let us in, or I shall blow this door down." sang a voice.

Lari had been asleep, but as soon as her door blew off the hinges from a gust of wind, she woke up. She barely had time to react, before a spout of fire came shooting at her, but she was quick and threw up a one of her pillows, which caught fire in mid-air and disintegrated immediately.

"Get her!" shouted their leader.

Lari could only hover 3 feet above the ground, but she was fast and could hover quite well. She was almost out her door, when Pain jumped up and snatched her ankle. She tried to break Pain's grip, but the teeth sank in and she doubted she would be able to carry Pain's weight. So, Lari took her free leg and kicked Pain right in the rib cage. Pain yelped and released the grip.

She dodged another shot of fire that went a mere inches above her head. Firefly stood smiling at the door. Lari's only escape. She turned back to see Gust helping Pain off the ground and yelling "Get up you dog!"

"There's no way out now." laughed Firefly

"Yes there is" said Lari hovering exactly three feet above the ground. "Through you."

Lari bull-rushed Firefly, who was not quick enough, and Firefly lay on the flat of her back. But a powerful wind had struck Lari in the back, and she hit straight into the wall. She had been knocked out.

"Finish her, Pain." said Gust.

"With pleasure."

~~

When the Heroes awoke for Day 2 and two more of them were missing. Lari and Hakon.

They first went to Lari's room and saw laying outside Lari lying on the ground. She had bite-marks around her throat and it looked like her neck had been broken.

"Who do you think did it?" asked tum.

No could seem to answer. "How could anyone not hear this last night?" asked Nerwen. "Look at this mess. It was as if a tornado came through here."

"We still need to find Hakon too." said sally.

But when they went to check Hakon's room. He was not there. Where could he be? There was a trail of leaves that led out of Hakon's room and downstairs. Everyone followed the trail, and it ended at the fireplace downstairs.

Attached to the fireplace was a note. Inziladun read it out loud.

I was hoping for someone a little more tasty. I don't find leaves to be all that appetizing, but I really like smores. So I did the next best thing. Hakon might have just been an ordinary, but he sure made great firewood. Nothing like gooey smores roasted over an open-Hakon.

With love,
Your Shape-shifter

Living

wilwa (the Dark Monarch)

alonariel- Rosemancer, creates useful, everyday charms
autume- Lady Tum, The Fish Whisperer, can converse with fish
Brinn- Butterfingers (aka The Klutz) breaks everything she touches
Durelin- Felis Grey, under the impression her domestic cats obey her
Formendacil- Celibateman, saving girls everywhere from awkward 1st dates
Inziladun- Docter Electron, can predict the precise moment a light bulb will blow
Lommy- Prin-Guin, claimed princess of the penguins, wears a penguin suit and crown
Macalaure- The Incredible Sulk, when angry he turns green and pouts
Mira- Narcolepsy girl, falls asleep at the most inoppurtune moment
morm- Athletes Foot Man, grows edible green fungus in feet
Nerwen- The Reverser, can read and write backwards
Nessa- Laughing Lass, can make others laugh uncontrollably
Nienna- Word Cloud Girl, analyzes people based on the frequency of the words they use
Rikae- Doktor Von und Zum Quatsch
sally- Movie quotes girl, quotes/recognizes quotes out of movies and TV
Shasta- Mr. E., always cast in shadows
the phantom- Candor Man not to be confused with Condor Man, the truth is brutal

Dead

Boro- Wild-eye (Night 1)
Fea- Doctor Girlfriend, died from sheer awesomeness (Day 1) - ordo
Pitch- Studebaker Hawk, fell to his death (Day 1) - seer
Hakon- Leaf Man, made into firewood (Night 2) - ordo
Lari- Hover Girl, broken neck (Night 2) - ordo

It is now DAY 2. Everyone should know what to do.

[satansaloser2005]

So....the bear killed Hakon (the person who was accused by a few of being the bear) and the wolves killed Lari.


The world is wrong.


Also, Pitchie. What?!

[Mirandir]

Nothing like gooey smores roasted over an open-Hakon.

That made me LOL.

Anyway, I can't say I'm too thrilled about Lari being killed so early, especially since she was just an ordo...And with Hakon gone too we're down two ordos... I shall be back shortly with a list/analysis of Lari's posts from yesterDay.

Oh, and before you feel the need to analyze that first sentence of mine about Lari, it's only because we modded the last game and I knew she was looking forward to playing again. Nothing more sinister than that.

[Nienna]

Eek. Day two and we are down 3 ordos and a seer.


I promised Fea I would make a word cloud for her awesomeness so here it is:
http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs169.snc1/6329_517883051768_71700994_30956462_2449706_n.jpg

[Mirandir]

Also, Pitchie. What?!

Totally forgot about that! *facepalm* Read that earlier today and then got distracted. I can't believe we lynched our Seer Day 1. *shakes head* He got a dream Night 1 thought right? Maybe I'll go through and look for hints about that before I analyze Hakon/Lari.

EDIT: Nienna, I want one! After I die, of course, but I want one!

[Rikae]

Well, I have my suspicions someone is going to have a field day with my epic fail yesterDay, but I'll say it off the bat: Pitchwife looked like a wolf to me, probably because he was nervous, probably because he was gifted. Actually, he was gifted in both games he's played, and I was wondering in the back of my head whether he was just a cautious/jumpy type of player who I would always suspect - but I guess the giftedness explains it. :(

Actually, though, right after the narration went up I was kicking myself for two reasons - getting the seer lynched (I blame myself, I was the first to go after him - not that the voting shouldn't be analyzed, of course), but because phantom once more made me look like a fool - this time by saying things, close to the deadline, that suggest he had Pitchwife figured for a likely gifted (I mean the bit about the flow going against him when he couldn't return, etc.)
Then it occurred to me - if he thought he was gifted, why didn't he save him when he could? Why make comments, and a throwaway vote, seemingly designed to make himself look good without saving Pitch? And who, after all, would be most likely to consider a nervous player gifted rather than wolfish?
Now, phantom can just say he was being considerate, and he can say he had no idea about Pitch's role, and maybe it would be true, too. But I wouldn't expect phantom to make any obvious blunders anyway - if we catch an evil phantom, it will be on the subtleties. Anyway, that's what I thought of his behavior - go back and look yourselves, make up your own minds. I also felt as if he were trying to frame me, but that may be purely subjective... I thought, though, it couldn't hurt to throw these thoughts out there.

Whew... that said... I'd like to analyze the voting and the kills a bit... right now my hand hurts and typing is torture, though, so it'll be a little while.

EDIT: X'd with everybody.

[Rikae]

Anyway, I can't say I'm too thrilled about Lari being killed so early, especially since she was just an ordo..

Disappointed she wasn't gifted, are you?

[autume98]

I'm sure you are all looking forward to hear my reason on why I voted for Pitchwife at the last minute.
Plenty of people had mentioned that they didn't see Hakon as a baddie which it turns out they were correct. At first I wasn't convinced, however over time I ended up having some doubts about my vote. I wasn't as convinced as I once was that Hakon was a baddie. Then this happens:

Pitchwife is really starting to look jumpy, while explaining that he knows he looks jumpy...heh. Methinks the laddie doth protest too much.
Also, Pitchwife backs off his alona vote when pressed? Interesting. My vote stands, for now.
Ah, Pitchwife. I didn't think you voteworthy before, though your latching onto Alon for no real reason made me a bit uneasy. Now you've retracted just to appear less suspicious? *sigh*
Noteworthy: Pitchwife] seemed to freak a bit after suspicion turned to him and jumped on [b]Mac's vote for alona, but why didn't he vote for Hakon if he were evil?

I could continue quoting what was being said, but the bottom line is he looked suspicious. So I decided to let Hakon live another day and in the process ended up killing our village's Seer. Hindsight is nice and knowing what I know now, I would've left my vote. Unfortunately that's not the way it works.

Just to be clear on my lack of posts, I was at work where the only connection I have to this site is through my SmartPhone. I'm sure I'll be able to figure some way to work this out for the future. Then of course I was busy that night as I had mentioned in the admin thread. Apparently it wasn't busy enough though 'cause I got home too soon and switched my vote! :p

Edit: x-ed with everybody

[Rikae]

The above should include a: :p

EDIT: x'd with autume... my post above, of course

[mormegil]

*claps*

Bravo village, you managed to lynch the seer. I found him slightly suspicious but not even to vote for him even if I could. I wouldn't have voted for him because he did look slightly suspicious, if you follow me. Often times the gifteds seem suspicious because liked the wolves they are acting different or more guarded in what they say. Bah, I'm glad to know that the bear thought Hakon was a wolf. We can assume the bear found him suspicious too and therefore killed him. However, it doesn't fully help us but it could. Obviously it could be somebody that stated their suspicion of Hakon and might have voted for him. It could be that they said nothing all together. Not very helpful, I know.

I know it will be brought up sooner or later but Autume's retract and vote looks somewhat odd. Now it would be evven worse for her (assuming Autume is female) had the wolves killed Hakon but they did not. Autume could be the bear but based not likely a wolf. I haven't elucidated what I mean very well. Let me break it down a bit.

A wolf Autume could have changed her vote from Hakon to Pitchwife and then the cover-up would be to kill Hakon at night, it is what I would do, or might do in such a situation, it would have been damage control from my point of view. Anyway, since the bear killed Hakon it's obvious he/she thought him to be a wolf. Now Autume may have taken this bold strategy but I'm not familiar with her and most people don't have the fortitude to try such a risky strategy. I am willing to assume that Autume is an ordo that was influenced by group think in the lynching of Hakon.

[mormegil]

After reading what Rikae said about tummy, I am more convinced that we should simply lynch them both and be done with the confusion they will inevitably cause. Didn't I tell you to lynch phantom on day1 and be done with the endless debate the inevitably surrounds him. Rikae tends to be suspected too all the time.

[Nienna]

I'm just wondering, Morm, why you think that the bear would only try and kill wolves?

[autume98]

(assuming Autume is female)

You have assumed correctly. ;)

[Mirandir]

Disappointed she wasn't gifted, are you?

Oh yes, because if I were evil I would make a slip that obvious. Give me some credit here, Rikae. :p

I meant because she wasn't a wolf or the bear.

I'm just wondering, Morm, why you think that the bear would only try and kill wolves?

I think (please correct me if I'm wrong) it's because the wolves have a better chance of killing the Bear at Night than the village does of lynching it during the Day. Thus, it's in the Bear's best interests to pick off the wolves first. I think that's what someone said yesterDay, at least.

Okay, back to analyzing.