TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them?

[satansaloser2005]

We're just trying to lull you into a false sense of security with the sudden silence. Bwahahahaha....:rolleyes:


EDIT: x'd with a Finn, a tricksy person, and an idiot. Not necessarily in that order.

[Brinniel]

Aw look, phantom's kissing up to me. I rock. :D

No idea who to vote for. It seems like most of the top candidates for lynching aren't even here, which makes me nervous.

[Durelin]

I want to vote for Mira but don't want this to end in a tie as much as I enjoy chaos.

Edit: Oh and that would be a 4 way tie. Wow.

[Lariren Shadow]

Mira --> Rikae
Shasta --> Mira
Morm --> Rikae (2)
Alona --> Morm
Nerwen --> Mira (2)
Sally --> Morm (2)
Inzil --> Morm (3)
Mac --> Inzil
Rikae --> Alona
Autume --> Inzil (2)
Nessa --> Alona (2)
Form --> Inzil (3)
Nienna --> Shasta
Lommy --> Shasta (2)
the phantom --> Alona (3)

Morm, Inzil, and Alona 3, Mira, Rikae, and Shasta 2.

Left to vote:
Brinn
Durelin

[Boromir88]

But I am not evil, as everyone knows, so how could I do that?:Merisu:

True. I still have no idea why anyone would have fun counting votes. :rolleyes:

[wilwarin538]

Have to atleast once today....

2 minutes people.

[Brinniel]

Must I be the tiebreaker? :rolleyes:

After yesterDay, I'm scared I'll lynch another gifted..

[Macalaure]

Three people with three votes... are you really sure that's the way you want to do it? :(

[Thinlómien]

Aieek I'd prefer to have Shasta lynched but I'd vote Inzil to save morm (and Alona)... Dury and Brinn, please vote either Shasta or Inzil.

edit: xed

[satansaloser2005]

Must I be the tiebreaker? :rolleyes:

After yesterDay, I'm scared I'll lynch another gifted..

Better you than me?

[the phantom]

No time left, people. Speak or forever hold your peace.

[Durelin]

++Alon

Of the 3 tied she's it for me.

[alonariel]

Retracting my place-holder. I'm afraid I don't have time to go into detail, but for now:

--mormegil

++Inzil

[satansaloser2005]

Oh screw it.


--Morm

++Dun


I don't find Alona that suspicious right now. Sorry for the re-tie.



EDIT: x'd with Alona. Now I'm the idiot.

[Thinlómien]

--Shasta
++Inzil

Alon should be grateful.

edit: mass-xed... huh that's interesting!

[Macalaure]

Durelin's vote doesn't count right now!

edit: crossed with a host of very-last-minute retractions :eek:

[Brinniel]

++morm

X-ed: with votes

P.S. I'll explain my vote the best I can toMorrow since time's up now.

[Lariren Shadow]

Does the not highlighted count?

[Boromir88]

Deadline. Silence.

Inziladun is lynched. I don't have a narration ready and that will take a while.

Since I hate leaving people waiting (*glares at the people who know who they are*). I will tell you now that Inziladun was a...dum, dum dum, ordo.

[the phantom]

What? No coin?!!

Curse you all!

[Durelin]

(I am sorry for posting this after the deadline but I understand completely if my vote does not count as it's impossible to tell if I edited it before the deadline.)

[Boromir88]

(I am sorry for posting this after the deadline but I understand completely if my vote does not count as it's impossible to tell if I edited it before the deadline.)

I didn't see any of the posts from 11:00-11:01, until after I closed the Day, I saw Lari's first about the non-highlighted vote, when I got to it, you had highlighted it. So, it did count in my book.

But for the rest of you... *ahem*, tp, sally. Silence. Oh and Villains, bear, remaining gifteds, you know what to do.

[Boromir88]

The D-league vs. The Dark Monarch Volume 1, Issue 9: Lights off

After much debate and many retracted votes later, the heroes made their choice, Inziladun would die.

"I'm telling you I am innocent!" cried Inziladun.

"That's what they all say." said alona.

.newreN deksa ".epor on dah ew dias motnahp eht ?mih llik ew od woH"

"That light bulb is going to go out" Inziladun pointed to the bulb above Brinn's head. "Right...now." The bulb went out. "See I can still be of use to all of you!?"

"Yes you can!" said sally, and a bulb went off in sally's head. "Isn't there a ridiculously large glass bowl in the kitchen?"

"Yes. Yes there is!" said Mac. He caught onto sally's plan and ran to fetch the large glass bowl.

"Ok, we will need some water, wire, and potatoes." said sally giving orders and her fellow heroes listened.

Shasta and the phantom took hold of Inziladun, who had no clue what was happening. "What? What do you guys want to do to me! I'm telling you I'm innocent!"

All the materials were gathered and sally wrapped the wire around Inzildun's legged, hooked him up to a bunch of potatoes, that were soaking in a bowl of water. the phantom and Shasta placed the glass bowl over Inziladun, and all the heroes watched him begin to glow.

He let off a bright, radiant light, that lit up the entire room and the light even burst out the windows.

"There, now let's see his pals, and that bear try to attack us at night! With the light that Inziladun gives off, they won't dare come out at night!" said morm as sally was laughing at the genius of her plan.

Then Inziladun began to flicker. From inside the glass the heroes could hear a faint "I'm out in...3...2...1 and -" Inziladun had burnt out.

"For being Dr. Electron, and having such expertise with lightbulbs, he made a really useless one." said Durelin. The heroes gathered around the glass bowl, waiting to see if Inziladun had transformed. He had not, Dun, was an ordo and he had blown out.

Living

wilwa (the Dark Monarch)

alonariel- Rosemancer, creates useful, everyday charms
autume- Lady Tum, The Fish Whisperer, can converse with fish
Brinn- Butterfingers (aka The Klutz) breaks everything she touches
Durelin- Felis Grey, under the impression her domestic cats obey her
Formendacil- Celibateman, saving girls everywhere from awkward 1st dates
Lommy- Prin-Guin, claimed princess of the penguins, wears a penguin suit and crown
Macalaure- The Incredible Sulk, when angry he turns green and pouts
Mira- Narcolepsy girl, falls asleep at the most inoppurtune moment
morm- Athletes Foot Man, grows edible green fungus in feet
Nerwen- The Reverser, can read and write backwards
Nessa- Laughing Lass, can make others laugh uncontrollably
Nienna- Word Cloud Girl, analyzes people based on the frequency of the words they use
Rikae- Doktor Von und Zum Quatsch
sally- Movie quotes girl, quotes/recognizes quotes out of movies and TV
Shasta- Mr. E., always cast in shadows
the phantom- Candor Man not to be confused with Condor Man, the truth is brutal

Dead

Boro- Wild-eye (Night 1)
Fea- Doctor Girlfriend, died from sheer awesomeness (Day 1) - ordo
Pitch- Studebaker Hawk, fell to his death (Day 1) - seer
Hakon- Leaf Man, made into firewood (Night 2) - ordo
Lari- Hover Girl, broken neck (Night 2) - ordo
Inziladun- Dr. Electron, used as filament (Day 2) - ordo

It Night 3. You all know what to do.

Edit: credit due to Agan for giving me the narration idea. :D

[Boromir88]

The D-league vs. The Dark Monarch Volume I, Issue 10: Meeting the Monarch

It was a dark night, darker than most, as Gust, Pain and Firefly entered the Dark Monarch’s evil lair. It was a pretty lair, not one of those gross underground caves with bats or creepy crawlies. It was basically a big round room with a large spiral staircase and beautiful black and dark blue accents. As they moved to the center of the round room they looked around nervously. After a long moment they heard an eery, but familiar, rustling sound along with the sound of quick footsteps. After a short silence she appeared, in all her evilness, at the top of the stairs.

She wasn’t overly tall; actually she was fairly small considering how powerful she was. She had very long, almost black hair and striking green eyes. Her wings were magnificently huge, almost twice her size, and crazy dark, like ever present shadows.

“You’re late.” She said sternly as her wings fluttered closed and then opened again, which they tended to do sometimes. Her three minions all started apologising and pointing fingers at each other. “Oh, shut up.” She barked as she jumped up and flew down the stairs, resting right in front of them with a sneer and a twitch of her wings.

“So, you know who I’ve decided on tonight.” she continued, suddenly sounding kind of sweet, as she paced in front of the three trembling villains. A paper crinkling sound came from her pocket as she walked slowly and continued to speak. “You have very specific instructions to follow regarding him, for he’s very special." A pause. "Well not in the same way that some of those other so called heroes are, but in a different way, which doesn’t concern you.” As she said this, a quick blush ran across her cheeks and her hand went to her pocket for a moment, but then she quickly composed herself and continued to frown at her followers. Her shadowy wings closed and opened again, fluttering a bit before returning to their proper position.

“Anyway, enough talk. You all know what to do, so go do it!” She said, as she stopped and drew very close to Pain. She said the following three words louder, dropping her sweet tone, as she poked a slender finger at each of them in turn. “DON’T - SCREW - UP!”

They all bowed and mumbled something along the lines of “Yes, Dark Monarch, as you wish.” before turning and hurrying out the door. The evil ruler stood there firmly, watching them leave and then flew off to continue her plotting in peace.

~~

Around this same time, not too far away, Candor Man was relaxing in his room at the B&B. He had had quite a stressful day and was looking forward to a good night’s sleep. Suddenly a large racket could be heard outside his room and three people burst in and then shut the door behind them. They stared at him curiously.

“Do you three make that much noise every night?” he asked them.

“Actually that time was pretty quiet.” Firefly responded, looking pretty proud as the other two nodded, each of them had pretty goofy grins on their faces.

“How on earth does no one hear that?” Candor Man asked, mostly to himself. He then stood there, just staring at the three who he presumed were here to kill him.

A few moments went by, and nothing happened.
“I have to be honest with you three now, because that is what I do.” he looked intently at them and then continued. “But you three are really starting to creep me out. Can you just kill me and get it over with already?”

The three villains started looking at each other, almost as if they were trying to evaluate the level of creepiness of the other two. Another moment of silence, then Gust decided to speak up. “Well, it’s just that our boss gave us really specific instructions involving you so we’re trying to figure out the best way to accomplish it.”

Candor Man looked slightly giddy for a moment at the mention of their boss, but he quickly composed himself. The villains didn’t seem to notice his slight change in demeanour. He cleared his throat and said, “Alright, well whatever you gotta do get it over with.”

~~

Brinn was down in the kitchen, she was hungry for a little snack, and having a craving for fish. She searched the B&B kitchen and found some fresh looking tilapia. "Mmm...this looks good."

She got out turned on one of the burners and went to find a pan. Right behind her was one of the heroes. "You?" asked Brinn a little surprised. "What are you doing up?"

"I could ask the same from you." said the hero smiling. "I won't, because I am much happier today. I smelled tilapia. My favorite! Such a mild taste, there really is no fishy taste at all!"

"Uhh...I guess so" said Brinn. She was a little creeped out, but reached up to grab a skillet. As she tried to pull one out, all the skillets and pans in the cupboard came crashing down on her. "Hey, can you give me a hand. Oh this is terribly embarassing."

"No." said a cold, hungry voice. Brinn looked up to see the person who was originally standing there was now a large grizzly bear. She picked up one of the skillets and stumbled to her feet. "I know how to defend myself!"

The bear seemed to be enjoying itself greatly. Brinn kept backing away, and the bear kept slowly moving forward. Brinn was backed up against the stove. She had accidentally knocked into the burner switch and turned it up higher. Soon her clothes caught fire.

Brinn started sniffing, trying to find where the smell was coming from. The bear motioned for Brinn to look behind her, and Brinn's entire backside was in flames. As Brinn dropped to the floor and began rolling on the floor, trying to put out the flames, the bear grabbed a piece of fish and walked away.

~~

In the morning the heroes awoke and saw that 2 more people were missing yet again. They decided to go first to the closest room, which belonged to Candor Man.

They walked up to the room and stepped inside carefully. At first it seemed like nothing was out of place, but upon closer inspection they found 3 things; a blue stationary kit, a piece of cloth and a puddle of blood.

“That red cloth is the same colour as the shirt Candor Man was wearing yesterday!” Lommy pointed out while she tried to avoid looking at the pool of blood.

“The stationary is pretty useless.” Morm said, tossing it aside. “He probably wasn’t killed for his letter writing skills.”

“So..........where is he then?” Mira asked, looking slightly confused.

“He must have been obliterated, or evaporated, or something that sounds like one of those words.” Form said as he turned to leave the room, the blood making him queasy.

“.hcuO” said Nerwen as the rest of the group followed Form to continue to the other victim’s room.

No one could find where Brinn had been. For she was not in her room.

"I say we just go down to the kitchen and start on breakfast." said Rikae. They all agreed, apparently deciding that Brinn had wondered off somewhere and probably hurt herself.

However, when all the heroes got down stairs, they found a pile of charred ashes on the ground with another note. Nessa read it out loud.

As you can see, Butterfingers had a bit of an accident, she sort of lit herself on the stove. My apologies, I was just after the fish. She did this to herself.

With love,
Your Shape-shifting suitemate

Living

wilwa (the Dark Monarch)

alonariel- Rosemancer, creates useful, everyday charms
autume- Lady Tum, The Fish Whisperer, can converse with fish
Durelin- Felis Grey, under the impression her domestic cats obey her
Formendacil- Celibateman, saving girls everywhere from awkward 1st dates
Lommy- Prin-Guin, claimed princess of the penguins, wears a penguin suit and crown
Macalaure- The Incredible Sulk, when angry he turns green and pouts
Mira- Narcolepsy girl, falls asleep at the most inoppurtune moment
morm- Athletes Foot Man, grows edible green fungus in feet
Nerwen- The Reverser, can read and write backwards
Nessa- Laughing Lass, can make others laugh uncontrollably
Nienna- Word Cloud Girl, analyzes people based on the frequency of the words they use
Rikae- Doktor Von und Zum Quatsch
sally- Movie quotes girl, quotes/recognizes quotes out of movies and TV
Shasta- Mr. E., always cast in shadows

Dead

Boro- Wild-eye (Night 1)
Fea- Doctor Girlfriend, died from sheer awesomeness (Day 1) - ordo
Pitch- Studebaker Hawk, fell to his death (Day 1) - seer
Hakon- Leaf Man, made into firewood (Night 2) - ordo
Lari- Hover Girl, broken neck (Night 2) - ordo
Inziladun- Dr. Electron, used as filament (Day 2) - ordo
the phantom- Candor Man, taken by special request of the Monarch (Night 3) - ordo
Brinniel- Butterfingers, caught herself on fire (Night 3) - ordo

(Compliments to wilwa for writing the phantom's death).

It is now Day 3. Discuss. :D

[satansaloser2005]

Awwww, and I wrote a little song for Phantom and everything. :(

I'm going to pull up Brinn's posts and see what there be to see. Back later.

[alonariel]

Awwww, and I wrote a little song for Phantom and everything. :(

I'm going to pull up Brinn's posts and see what there be to see. Back later.

You should still post it - I've really come to appreciate your songs. :)

[Mirandir]

Oh my...That is a lot of dead ordos...Not good.

Sally stole my idea so I guess I'll take phantom. Back later.

[autume98]

I should be posting a list of the votes for yesterDay here shortly.

[autume98]

Mira votes for Rikae. Mentions probably be retracting since the more she thinks about it the less she think Rikae is evil, but needed a placeholder vote. (Rikae 1)

Shasta votes for Mira for pointing out out gifteds. Mentions that's how Boro was caught last game. (Mira 1)

morm votes for Rikae. Mentions she and sally look most suspicious. (Rikae 2)

alona votes for morm. Reason for the vote is because she believe morm is hiding behind a vote which is what she had been accused of doing. Also mentions it is a placeholder vote. (morm 1)

Nerwen votes for Mira. Not really sure why voted for Mira. she does mention that she may change it later. Also could be in response to Mac's post where he mentions the votes are piling up against Rikae and Mira. (Mira 2)

sally votes for morm. Mentions that he makes her squirmy because she believes he voted for Hakon and then said it was stupid for the rest of Hakon voters to vote for Hakon. (morm 2)

Inzil votes for morm. Asks morm a question which doesn't get answered, then votes without giving a reason. Which seems to be one of the big reasons he got lynched. (morm 3)

Mac votes for Inzil. States that he asked a rhetoric statement creating more of an atmosphere of suspicion against Mira. Then states that as a wolf he wouldn't care much about a non-wolf morm or non-wolf Mira getting lynched. Also mentions in earlier post that Inzil thows out vagues suspicions without backing them up. (Inzil 1)

Rikae votes for alona. Thanks Rikae for making me find what you had said before! :p Now must find previous posts...
Aha I have found it! :D I think it's because she gets the odd feeling of her riding her coattails when alona mentions that she voted for Hakon because he was abusing newbie errors "a mistake that both Rikae and I made". (alona 1)I find myself wondering if she's a mistaken cobbler who thinks I'm a wolf...? Could be a newbie wolf or bear trying to be too likable to suspect... or it could just be her style.

autume votes for Inzil. I didn't like the way he went after Rikae earlier yesterDay. Seemed a little suspicous to me. I agreed with Mac in that he was thowing out suspicions without backing them up. He then asked a question of morm then shortly after votes for morm. (Inzil 2)

Nessa votes for alona. It sounds to me like she's agreeing with Rikae. (alona 2)

Form votes for Inzil. Was already on his "radar" and then the vote for morm seals the vote. (Inzil 3)

Nienna votes for Shasta. Says that he has been acting weird yesterDay and that his for Pitchwife was quite unsettling. Mentions he wishes he were here to defend himself, but finds him the most suspicious. (Shasta 1)

Tommy votes for Shasta. Doesn't give reason, but does mention he still has his retraction. (Shasta 2)

phantom votes for alona. States reason as she dropped out his WW game earlier this year. (alona 3)

Durelin votes for alona. Doesn't give reason. (alona 4)

alona retracts her vote for morm and votes for Inzil. Doesn't have time to go into detail as to why. (morm 2, Inzil 4)

Sally retracts vote for morm and votes Dun. Mentions doesn't find alona that suspicious right now. (morm 1, Dun 1)

Tommy retracts vote for Shasta and votes for Inzil. Mentions alona should be grateful. (Shasta 1, Inzil 5)

Brinn votes for morm. Doesn't give explanation, and unfortunately we won't hear it now as she has been killed by the Bear. (morm 2)

[mormegil]

Sorry I wasn't here yesterday but I was engaged in the joys of airline travel. I haven't been able to catch up on all that was said and I will see if I can but I don't think it overly likely. Anyway I notice a good deal of activity surrounded me yesterday. I got the impression that those who began it did not want to taint their paws on it. Sally increasingly worries me. She seems unwilling to commit to anything solid and yet floats around everywhere poking here and prodding there. She is stirring the pot, so to speak. Rikae as well is not looking good by me still. I don't trust her and would be happy to see her gone. I really believe that we need to bag a baddie today otherwise we are in desperate peril. I implore everybody to objectively look over all of Rikae's and Sally's posts.

Formendacil is another that just hasn't been sitting right with me. Nothing overt but small subtle things, more of a gut on him. I think the other baddie is going to be in one of the players I'm not familiar with i.e. Nessa, Autume, Mira etc... I don't know how to read them yet so I'm a bit at a loss with them.

I would love a fresh set of eyes to look at Rikae and Sally and let me know what you think.

ps I only skimmed some of what happened yesterday, if I get a more detailed reading opinions may change.

[mormegil]

Who is tommy?

[Rikae]

Anyone else find Sally and Autume's vote retractions at the DL kind of... odd? Autume's comment that Alona should be grateful is itself rather eyebrow-raising (cobbler hinting to wolf??) and the fact that they both appear to be swooping in to alona's rescue, so to speak, after Durelin's vote. I found it weird, of course the weirdness enhanced by the fact that I found alona wolfish.

EDIT: X'd with morm and morm.

[satansaloser2005]

Correction to Tum's vote count. Lommie voted for Shasta (and then retracted for Dun), not Phantom. Other than that, thanks for the recap! :)

[mormegil]

Based on Autume's voting recount Alona does look might suspicious.

I am wondering if Rikae and Alona are in it together. Rikae voted early for Alona which could have been fairly innocuous at the time but something to throw off the ties they have. Admittedly it's a bit of a stretch but not too much to make it unrealistic.

[satansaloser2005]

Anyone else find Sally and Autume's vote retractions at the DL kind of... odd? Autume's comment that Alona should be grateful is itself rather eyebrow-raising (cobbler hinting to wolf??) and the fact that they both appear to be swooping in to alona's rescue, so to speak, after Durelin's vote. I found it weird, of course the weirdness enhanced by the fact that I found alona wolfish.

EDIT: X'd with morm and morm.

I x'd with Alona, and if you'll notice I felt dumb afterward because I didn't realize she'd retracted. And as I had said before, I was planning to break the tie if necessary.

[mormegil]

Anyone else find Sally and Autume's vote retractions at the DL kind of... odd? Autume's comment that Alona should be grateful is itself rather eyebrow-raising (cobbler hinting to wolf??) and the fact that they both appear to be swooping in to alona's rescue, so to speak, after Durelin's vote. I found it weird, of course the weirdness enhanced by the fact that I found alona wolfish.

EDIT: X'd with morm and morm.


Agreed. I did skim and see that. It does look strange and feel strange. Just another thing Sally has done that raised an eyebrow.

[satansaloser2005]

Who is tommy?

Pretty sure she meant Lommie.

[mormegil]

I x'd with Alona, and if you'll notice I felt dumb afterward because I didn't realize she'd retracted. And as I had said before, I was planning to break the tie if necessary.

Yes and for some reason both of you felt the need to do that, why would you feel that need I ask?

[mormegil]

Pretty sure she meant Lommie.

Why the heck don't we just call her Lommy?

[autume98]

Who is tommy?

Sorry. I meant Lommy.

[satansaloser2005]

Am I being touchy or does Rikae seem a bit too eager to suspect me? Well, at least to bring up things that are 'suspicious' about me. I explained my vote before I changed it, so what's the problem?

(Also, sorry if I'm a bit short tonight. Got a brief headache reprieve but I'm still not feeling the best, so if I'm a bit snappy please accept apologies in advance.)

[Rikae]

I think the other baddie is going to be in one of the players I'm not familiar with i.e. Nessa, Autume, Mira etc... I don't know how to read them yet so I'm a bit at a loss with them.

You clearly don't know how to read me yet, either. :p

I'd like a look at Form and Sally, too, though. Sally especially. Also, Nerwen's been under my reindeer to a degree, an oversight which must be remedied.
That will probably have to wait until tomorrow, though.

EDIT: X'd with everything since my last post.

[alonariel]

Anyone else find Sally and Autume's vote retractions at the DL kind of... odd? Autume's comment that Alona should be grateful is itself rather eyebrow-raising (cobbler hinting to wolf??) and the fact that they both appear to be swooping in to alona's rescue, so to speak, after Durelin's vote. I found it weird, of course the weirdness enhanced by the fact that I found alona wolfish.

EDIT: X'd with morm and morm.

All of the last minute votes were cross-posted. I had no idea that anyone was going to save me. But Lommy saying I should be grateful? I am, to still be alive and a help to the village, but that did confuse me, too.

[satansaloser2005]

Yes and for some reason both of you felt the need to do that, why would you feel that need I ask?

Erm....ask Tum? I said it ages before I changed my vote, and waited until more or less the last second because I didn't want to change unless I had to.

Morm, I already suspect you. Don't make it worse.


P.S. We do call her Lommie. Tum just made a mistake. No worries. :)

[mormegil]

Am I being touchy or does Rikae seem a bit too eager to suspect me? Well, at least to bring up things that are 'suspicious' about me. I explained my vote before I changed it, so what's the problem?

(Also, sorry if I'm a bit short tonight. Got a brief headache reprieve but I'm still not feeling the best, so if I'm a bit snappy please accept apologies in advance.)

No she doesn't seem too eager. I think you are more than deserving than a fair amount of suspicion. In fact I hope we have a lot more eager people to suspect you. The more I consider it the more I feel you are evil

[mormegil]

You clearly don't know how to read me yet, either. :p



That may be true. But I do know how I read you. I generally think you are suspicious, just like I think Lommy generally suspicious. Therefore I will continue to suspect you but I always do so with a grain of salt.

[satansaloser2005]

No she doesn't seem too eager. I think you are more than deserving than a fair amount of suspicion. In fact I hope we have a lot more eager people to suspect you. The more I consider it the more I feel you are evil


Oh of course. Saying that I am suspicious for trying to break a tie (albeit in the wrong way, and I still hate myself for it) when I said I was going to do it ages before is horribly suspicious. I completely understand.


....


....


Man, I really am cranky. Whoops?



ETA: x'd. Oh, and I am speaking of that particular point of Rikae's argument. Suspect me if you like, just please do it for a good reason. That's all I ask.

[mormegil]

Erm....ask Tum? I said it ages before I changed my vote, and waited until more or less the last second because I didn't want to change unless I had to.

Morm, I already suspect you. Don't make it worse.



So if I suspect you, you will want my death even worse? Interesting but not helpful to your 'case' Sally. Just because you said you might change your vote doesn't make it any better. "Hey everybody I reserve the right to change my vote from a pack mate to a non-pack mate if the going gets bad but don't suspect me if I do" :rolleyes:

[Rikae]

Based on Autume's voting recount Alona does look might suspicious.

I am wondering if Rikae and Alona are in it together. Rikae voted early for Alona which could have been fairly innocuous at the time but something to throw off the ties they have. Admittedly it's a bit of a stretch but not too much to make it unrealistic.

Sounds like you're really determined to suspect me, then, considering I was actually not only the first to vote her, but to suspect her, and it seems to me, at least, I pushed pretty strongly for her lynching, as I intend to do toDay as well, barring any significant developments.


Am I being touchy or does Rikae seem a bit too eager to suspect me? Well, at least to bring up things that are 'suspicious' about me. I explained my vote before I changed it, so what's the problem?

Er, sorry about that - next time I see someone do something suspicious, I'll just keep my mouth shut. I forgot I was the cobbler... oh, wait a minute, I'm not the cobbler. :p

EDIT: X'd with all since Sally's #794

[autume98]

Yes and for some reason both of you felt the need to do that, why would you feel that need I ask?Erm....ask Tum?

You can ask me all you like, but the real person you need to be asking is Lommy. I didn't retract my vote. ;)

[Boromir88]

As another note since a few have asked about it.

When the cobbler dies, you will know. ;)

[satansaloser2005]

So if I suspect you, you will want my death even worse? Interesting but not helpful to your 'case' Sally. Just because you said you might change your vote doesn't make it any better. "Hey everybody I reserve the right to change my vote from a pack mate to a non-pack mate if the going gets bad but don't suspect me if I do" :rolleyes:

Don't put words in my mouth, Morm. I suspect you more because you're grasping at straws (not to mention looking for guilt that isn't even there, but I expect that and have no problem with it) to build a case against me. And I changed my vote for....oh I already said why. I'm going to analyze Brinn now. G'bye.

[satansaloser2005]

As another note since a few have asked about it.

When the cobbler dies, you will know. ;)

Figured, but thanks for making it clear, lovely. :)

[Rikae]

That may be true. But I do know how I read you. I generally think you are suspicious, just like I think Lommy generally suspicious. Therefore I will continue to suspect you but I always do so with a grain of salt.

Ah, but that proves you don't - most of the time I'm innocent.

[Rikae]

Eh, never mind that last post, I read morm's post wrong and now I see it doesn't make sense. I'm too tired and my eyes are playing tricks on me. Time for bed.

[satansaloser2005]

Er, sorry about that - next time I see someone do something suspicious, I'll just keep my mouth shut. I forgot I was the cobbler... oh, wait a minute, I'm not the cobbler. :p

Hehe. That made me giggle. Here, have a cookie. :D

I just think that coming out and saying "Hey, such and such is suspicious because they did exactly what they said they were going to do" is a bit silly. And really, you'll notice that I wanted to kill Morm, so I would think he wouldn't be complaining. Just sayin'. (Although when I finish with Brinn I intend to analyze Alona because I think she looks darn suspicious right now. YesterDay I didn't have a chance to look at her much and by the time I did it was too late.:()

ETA: x'd with two Rikaes. And now I need to spend my time doing something productive instead of defending myself when I didn't do anything wrong. *headdesks* Off to analyzation land....

[Rikae]

Ah, and now I see that was Lommy's weird retracted vote, not Autume's (can we please stick to less confusing nicknames, or just type out the real names from now on, folks?) My comments about it are the same, anyway - that was my reaction to it yesterDay, but I had forgotten who the two people were that did it toDay and just looked at the vote count. *sigh*

[mormegil]

(can we please stick to less confusing nicknames, or just type out the real names from now on, folks?)

Just to clear things up

Morm=Mormegil

I'm glad you reread my post to make sense of it I was going to point that out.

Sally, you seem fairly jumpy, I'm sure your pack is sitting there yelling at their monitor for you to calm down.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally, you seem fairly jumpy, I'm sure your pack is sitting there yelling at their monitor for you to calm down.

Yeah, sorry about that. I get antsy when I'm not well and I was already a bit ticked about the accusation so I went a bit nuts. And I'm sure your pack is chuckling at me as we speak. Do tell them hello for me toNight, will you?

[Formendacil]

So, I've been sitting here, as the MSN-watchers could attest--since just before the Day started. Then, having read the opening narration, I went on a wander, to places like Facebook and LiveJournal, letting the deaths of the night sink in, and hoping something elucidating about the deaths might come up. Here's what I got, if anything:

Regarding the phantom's death, I'm undecided if this is an attempt at trail-less Kill or not. On the one hand, the phantom had the case made that could well have been Pitchwife's single dream--in which case he's an easy pick for the wolves to have made: a deliberate removal of a near-Known Innocent, which doesn't really point at anybody. On the other hand, the case for the phantom have been the dream was guesswork at best, and a bit unprovable. It would have made more sense to me if the Wolves had gone after a Gifted or the Bear than a possibly-maybe-it's been suggest he might've been Known Innocent.

In death, as in life, apparently, the phantom baffles me.:rolleyes:

Brinn baffles me too--her death, that is. After the Hakon death, I was expecting a somewhat wilder kill from the Bear--one of the village loudmouths or noisemakers. Well, "expecting" is a strong word, but I definitely would have inclined that way. As it is, however, Brinn has been quite quiet, and thus less readable. Her death, however, takes the Bear in completely the opposite direction of Hakon's--unless they were both completely unconnected to the Bear as far as posts went. I was more expecting, though, to wake up and find someone like Alona gone--someone making more noise, and generally more suspicious.

Speaking of Alona, her Day-End antics yesterDay definitely bear some investigation, and she definitely seemed jumpy, but it was quite weird--I was around until 10 minutes before the deadline yesterday, and although she'd accrued a lot of suspicion, I was rather surprised with I got on after and caught myself to find that she'd jumped into the tie-line and been saved by a couple bells. The whole Day-End situation is rather tangled and might well include some furry creatures.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, and....

Just to clear things up

Morm=Mormegil


Hehe.


Phantom=Phantom
Lommie/Lommy=Thinlomien
Tum=Autume

Or at least that's how I do it. *shrugs* Makes sense in my head. ;)

[alonariel]

I guess since I'm still alive (though, I don't know for how long :( ), I should try and get in some analysis before the bandwaggon-ing starts. :eek: One thing I noticed, yesterDay, in the flurry of cross posts, was this:

Durelin was gone for most of yesterDay. Understandable, since I was gone for several hours yesterDay too, but her vote said "Of the 3 tied, she's it for me." Why only vote based on the top 3 suspects and not base your vote on evidence? I know Durelin posted before about her suspicions, but nowhere did she suspect me, morm and she stated she didn't understand where the fuel for Inzil was coming from, if memory serves. So why only vote to break the tie? I mean, I know Sally asked someone to break it, but still...

Also, any thoughts about the bear after last Night?

~~~

And, to answer what seems to be a recurring issue - the way I "seem" in my posts. Honestly, I think that's my style. I like to be friendly to people, and though it almost got me killed yesterDay, that's not going to change. I apologize that it creates suspicion around me - kinda makes me wish Lari were here to back me on this.

[Mirandir]

#542
Upset about Pitch's death, not pleased with anybody.

#546
Responds to Rikae, saying didn't think Pitch was gifted, why he didn't vote Hakon, and to point out that his Rikae-vote did have backing.

#549
Agrees with Mira's analysis that he was Pitch's first dream.

#552
Makes sarcastic remarks about why people shouldn't vote him

#556
Ponders forcing tie every day just to be a jerk
Alon - "came under very slight threat halfway through, and so if she's guilty the Pitch voters don't look so good"
Rikae - "threatened right at the deadline, so if she is guilty Tum rushing in and retracting her Hakon vote in favor of padding Pitch's lead (effectively savingRik's skin) looks extremely suspicious."
If both are innocent we wouldn't have anything at all

#558
Responds to Nerwen's question about feelings on Mira, determines doesn't know what to think

#626
Defends Mira and her insanely idiotic slip, thinks is cobbler if anything
Wants to know why Shasta voted Pitch, says doesn't make sense

#644
Wants to know why morm is attracting votes
Doesn't like the nickname confusion. Suggests lynching autumne to get rid of it.
Sarcasm directed towards Rikae about a comment she made
rhinoceros
pudding

#667
Doesn't want to vote morm or Brinn, tempted to vote Rikae again

#672
"What's that you say, Shasta? You'd like to volunteer? Well, I'd love to help you out, but Sally said it first. She has to refuse before you can offer yourself. Sorry."
Still picking a fight with Shasta, presumably over his vote for Pitch yesterDay

#678
Says can't spot the bear and the people who thought Hakon spotted it are wrong

#681
Introduces possibility that Alona and autumne are BFFs
Considering voting for Rikae or Shasta or Tum because of nickname thing

#688
Responds to Mac's question about why he didn't mention Inzil

#691
"Well, now that an admittedly drunk Formendacil has voted Inzil, I certainly can't jump onto that train.

See Mac. I just knew it wasn't for me. This is a sign. It confirms it."

#712
"Shasta, Rikae, or Tum.... which one.... which one...."

#714
Wonders why no one has elaborated on why Tum and Alona might be BFFs
Ponders voting for whoever Brinn votes for just because she was nice to him

#730
About the statement Rikae had made about being ready to trust him but then he said something that made her change her mind:
"Well crap, Rikae. You say something like that so close to the deadline... And now I have to try a mad-speed goose chase to find out what the heck you're talking about. *sighs*

Here goes..."

#749
Votes Alona for dropping out of the game he modded.

"Tonight- you need to come after me. No one's ever going to lynch me. I'm Pitch's most likely dream, and I don't lynch easily even if there is mass support. Just get rid of me already. You need to sooner or later after all."

~~~~~~~

Guess he got his wish on that last one...:confused:

Clearly he had a problem with Shasta and Rikae (and Tum for the nickname thing, but that doesn't really count). The other thing that sticks out is the possibility of autumne and Alona being the BFFs. I might take a look at that later, but for now it should probably be bedtime.

[autume98]

I agree we do need to take a look at Sally. The one question I have though is if sally were really trying to help alona why didn't she vote for Inzil instead? Wouldn't that have helped alona out even more since Lommy hadn't retracted his vote yet?

I think Lommy's vote looks even more suspicious. He's the one that sealed the fate of Inzil and thus breaking the tie ensuring that alona didn't get lynched.

With that said, I think that we also need to be taking a look at alona. Obviously her vote to try and save herself makes sense. What doesn't make sense is the vote by Lommy to save her. I can't say that I've gotten any bad vibes from her at this point. I'll have to take a closer look at her toDay and see if I see anything.

Edit: x-ed with everyone since my last post

[satansaloser2005]

I agree we do need to take a look at Sally. The one question I have though is if sally were really trying to help alona why didn't she vote for Inzil instead? Wouldn't that have helped alona out even more since Lommy hadn't retracted his vote yet?

I think Lommy's vote looks even more suspicious. He's the one that sealed the fate of Inzil and thus breaking the tie ensuring that alona didn't get lynched.

With that said, I think that we also need to be taking a look at alona. Obviously her vote to try and save herself makes sense. What doesn't make sense is the vote by Lommy to save her. I can't say that I've gotten any bad vibes from her at this point. I'll have to take a closer look at her toDay and see if I see anything.

Edit: x-ed with everyone since my last post

Erm....and I can't believe I'm saying this lol....I did vote for Dun. I retracted from Morm to Dun right before the deadline, and x'd with Alona in the process.

Oh, and Lommie's a lovely Finnish girl, by the way. ;)


ETA: By which I mean I can't believe I'm saying I voted for Dun. Ack, it still doesn't make sense. Whatever. :p

[Nienna]

Twinkle, twinkle little Sally
How I wonder what you are
Up above the radar so high
Like a baddie in the sky.

Twinkle, twinkle little Sally
How I wonder what you are.

*goes to sleep*

[satansaloser2005]

Twinkle, twinkle little Sally
How I wonder what you are
Up above the radar so high
Like a baddie in the sky.

Twinkle, twinkle little Sally
How I wonder what you are.

*goes to sleep*

HAHA!

*snuggles you*

Go to bed, sweetheart. And thank you. ;)

[Mirandir]

I know sally had requested previously to be looked at and I have every intention of doing so before deadline toDay. However, I need to be happy and perky for work in the morning and thus will be going to bed now. :smokin:

[Rikae]

And, to answer what seems to be a recurring issue - the way I "seem" in my posts. Honestly, I think that's my style. I like to be friendly to people, and though it almost got me killed yesterDay, that's not going to change. I apologize that it creates suspicion around me - kinda makes me wish Lari were here to back me on this.

Well, it may not help in this game, but if it's a matter of style, people will eventually get used to it and stop suspecting you for it (well, unless you're a wolf, in which case you'll be suspected for your style forever. Case in point: I was a wolf the first time I really lost my temper in a game. Henceforth, some people *coughnogcough* think I'm a wolf every time I get annoyed. Annoying, that is.)

[mormegil]

BAH!

Who is Dun?

Seriously these nicknames that make no sense need to go.

[autume98]

Oh, and Lommie's a lovely Finnish girl, by the way. ;)


Thanks for clearing that up. ;) Sorry Lommy! :)

[alonariel]

Well, it may not help in this game, but if it's a matter of style, people will eventually get used to it and stop suspecting you for it (well, unless you're a wolf, in which case you'll be suspected for your style forever. Case in point: I was a wolf the first time I really lost my temper in a game. Henceforth, some people *coughnogcough* think I'm a wolf every time I get annoyed. Annoying, that is.)

Oh, you're preaching to the choir about losing your temper. I do that in real life a lot, but I really need to learn to grow a thicker set of skin for this game, honestly.

I don't think your suspicions were personal and so I won't get mad about them, though. :)

[autume98]

BAH!

Who is Dun?

Seriously these nicknames that make no sense need to go.

I believe Dun is Durelin.

[Formendacil]

Okay, going to be bedtime soon (it's 10:00 pm), so this will be my last post for the night. No serious analysis now, just impressions.

For the record, so that no one pulls an Inziladun-to-Morm play on me, yes, I will be back. I work in the morning, and I'm usually home 5 hours before the deadline, so you can expect me some time after that (my computer can be cranky until it's warmed up).

In the meantime, my first impressions of Day 3 have three names: Morm, Rikae, and Sally, who seem to be in a little suspicion circle all of their own. It's Day 3, so we're about right on time for the former two to suspect me, so that's no huge surprise from this quarter. Beyond that, Rikae seems to be more excited than usual--a Wolf/Bear that saw something too close to the line yesterday? and Morm has come back very aggressive. Good old Morm. Sally doesn't seem so much suspicious as clueless, but that could make her a Cobbler, or a gut-instinct Bear.

autume and Alona are both around, it seems. Alona seems less jumpy--coached overnight by packmates? and autume feels like she's trying to hard to be agreeable.

I'll probably back if there's much cross-posting, but the energy is flagging and the laundry is done.

[satansaloser2005]

Dun is Inzildun, of course! And it makes perfect sense....inside my brain. ;)


EDIT: x'd

[Rikae]

Confusing nicknames:

Tum/Tummy=phantom=autume

Tommy=Thinlomien

Dun=Inziladun (with my 20/200 vision, Dun and Dury are pretty much indistinguishable).

Thanks in advance for your kind cooperation. :)

EDIT: X'd with all since my last.

[mormegil]

I believe Dun is Durelin.

Why not Dure? At least that makes sense.

My new nickname with will Mile all the letters are there so we might as well. :rolleyes:

[Formendacil]

I believe Dun is Durelin.

Dun is Inziladun :rolleyes:

X-posted with all the other Dun-explainers.

[mormegil]

Dun is Inziladun :rolleyes:

Thanks Dacil

Okay sorry to get on that tangent. Anyway I'm off to bed.

[satansaloser2005]

Dun is Inziladun :rolleyes:

Thanks. Lol at least I know I'm not completely crazy.

Although I do understand Rikae's trouble. Didn't even think about that. Sorry, dear. :(

[autume98]

Why not Dure? At least that makes sense.

My new nickname with will Mile all the letters are there so we might as well. :rolleyes:

Sorry morm looks like I got that one wrong too! :rolleyes: So I was wrong about Sally not voting for Inzil earlier. Makes more sense as to why people suspect her as well.

[Boromir88]

I think his nickname was decided in his first game. I asked what he would like to be nicknamed, because Inziladun is just way too long to write out all the time. And since there was an Izzy (Isabellyka), Inzy just would not work. It was decided Dun...but mostly for whatever reason I type out Inziladun, or Inzil, or Dun, or some variant. :p

[satansaloser2005]

Confusing nicknames:

Tum/Tummy=phantom=autume

Tommy=Thinlomien

Dun=Inziladun (with my 20/200 vision, Dun and Dury are pretty much indistinguishable).

Thanks in advance for your kind cooperation. :)

EDIT: X'd with all since my last.

If I'm not mistaken I believe Morm is the only one who calls Phantom Tummy, so I didn't have a problem with it although I can understand why it'd induce brain fail.


A PROPOSAL
Phantom=Phantom
Autume=Tum (because I'm lazy and otherwise I end up with dang typos)
Inzildun=Zil
Thinlomien=Lommy/Lommie (because some of us hate Y's for some reason)
Durelin=Dure/Durie (because otherwise when I say it I feel rude)

Acceptable? Good. Shiny. Back to my analysis and action movie then, kthnx.


EDIT: x'd with Master Boro. That too. If I see an I and a Z I think Izzy, but I can adapt if it'll make y'all happy. :)

[autume98]

and Morm has come back very aggressive. Good old Morm.

I was thinking the same thing. I was going to mention that we need to look at morm as well toDay.

[autume98]

For the record, so that no one pulls an Inziladun-to-Morm play on me, yes, I will be back. I work in the morning, and I'm usually home 5 hours before the deadline, so you can expect me some time after that (my computer can be cranky until it's warmed up).

This goes for me too. I'll see what I can do about posting at work, but I make no promises. Oh and it'll be closer to 4 hours before the deadline for me. But I will be here. Now it's off to bed seeing as it's 11:30 here.

[Macalaure]

My first idea was, that the mass-retractions were caused by Alona being a wolf and their comrades trying to save her. The scenario fits perfectly on the first look: 4 minutes before the deadline, tp chucks in the vote that puts Alona's name into the hat. Lommy and Sally are scared to retract right away, because it would make them look suspicious, and they wait til the last second for somebody else to do the job. Unfortunately, both admit that they want to save Alona, and that's simply not something a wolf does that openly when she desperately wants to save a fellow.

I do wonder, though, why Alona waited til the last minute to retract to save herself, so Alona's still a possible baddie for me, but probably not together with Sally and Lommy. Then again, reading morm's posts and her replies, Sally is still suspicious independently.

I am also suspicious right now of Autume and Form, both simply for following my vote (Autume even asked me to make her follow). Shasta, Nessa, and Nienna I need to look closer at, too, because I don't know what to think of them.


Btw, we are dealing with a smart bear, who probably counted with the wolves doing the dirty work of possibly sacrificing a kill on the widely-suspected innocent phantom and went for Brinn instead. I, too, expected a more extravagant kill from the bear, so unless he had some specific reason to try Brinn, he's somebody unwilling to fulfil expectations and instead trying to confuse us more about his way of thinking/killing. Gut feeling of the Day: Nerwen.

[satansaloser2005]

Actually, Mac, Nerwen looks really quite shiny to me. Then again, no one should look shiny, so her lack of suspicion is suspicious to me. Does that make sense?

(To clarify, Nerwen normally makes me uncomfortable but this game I can't come up with a single thing that makes me suspect her. Playing with Rudolph? Am I losing it? Or is she innocent? Right now, I'm going for the last one.)

[alonariel]

My first idea was, that the mass-retractions were caused by Alona being a wolf and their comrades trying to save her. The scenario fits perfectly on the first look: 4 minutes before the deadline, tp chucks in the vote that puts Alona's name into the hat. Lommy and Sally are scared to retract right away, because it would make them look suspicious, and they wait til the last second for somebody else to do the job. Unfortunately, both admit that they want to save Alona, and that's simply not something a wolf does that openly when she desperately wants to save a fellow.

I waited until the last minute because there were still several people that had to vote - and in the end my nerves got the better of me. A newbie thing, I'm afraid. I keep on having to tell myself to calm down, it's just a game. But really, I don't see Sally as being suspicious - or Lommy, for that matter. Maybe that's because I haven't played with them enough, or that Sally's not acting like she did at all last game when she was a wolf. And that's not because they voted to save me. My one retraction was enough to save me, and we all posted at the same time.


I am also suspicious right now of Autume and Form, both simply for following my vote (Autume even asked me to make her follow). Shasta, Nessa, and Nienna I need to look closer at, too, because I don't know what to think of them.

I'm more wary of autume. Form I can't get a read on, but that's probably because I haven't played with him enough to know how to read him. autume seems to agree with everyone, almost as if it's a conscious effort not to make waves and draw attention to herself.

Btw, we are dealing with a smart bear, who probably counted with the wolves doing the dirty work of possibly sacrificing a kill on the widely-suspected innocent phantom and went for Brinn instead. I, too, expected a more extravagant kill from the bear, so unless he had some specific reason to try Brinn, he's somebody unwilling to fulfil expectations and instead trying to confuse us more about his way of thinking/killing. Gut feeling of the Day: Nerwen.

We definitely are. I'm really baffled by the bear. It doesn't help that I've never played in a game with a bear, but still. Your gut feeling is interesting - Nerwen's been so under my radar, I fear she's in another universe altogether at the moment.

[Nerwen]

I believe Dun is Durelin.

It was decided Dun...but mostly for whatever reason I type out Inziladun, or Inzil, or Dun, or some variant. :p[/I]

Well, as long as you knew who she was voting for... I tend to call Inziladun Zil, or Inzil.

Btw, we are dealing with a smart bear, who probably counted with the wolves doing the dirty work of possibly sacrificing a kill on the widely-suspected innocent phantom and went for Brinn instead. I, too, expected a more extravagant kill from the bear, so unless he had some specific reason to try Brinn, he's somebody unwilling to fulfil expectations and instead trying to confuse us more about his way of thinking/killing. Gut feeling of the Day: Nerwen.

You're wrong, but I'm flattered. :Merisu:

EDIT:X'd with Alona.

[Nessa Telrunya]

Ah, what a mess. :eek: I really hope we manage to net a baddie today. Seems like there are quite a few scapegoats coming under suspicion at the moment, not good. We are getting so divided, I won't be surprised if we finish the wolves' job for them. :rolleyes:

And the nickname conversation was...unexpected, to say the least. But then again, my nick is one of the easiest. ;)

[autume98]

I am also suspicious right now of Autume and Form, both simply for following my vote (Autume even asked me to make her follow).

Well after sealing the Seer's fate I didn't want to make another newbie mistake like that again. :rolleyes: So I decided to see where an experienced player stood on the issue. ;)

I also thought Inzil's vote suspicious. So I decided to do what I thought was best.

[autume98]

I'm more wary of autume. Form I can't get a read on, but that's probably because I haven't played with him enough to know how to read him. autume seems to agree with everyone, almost as if it's a conscious effort not to make waves and draw attention to herself.

I don't mean to be agreeing with everybody. It's just that so far I haven't really had anything to disagree with. I've decided to give you my thoughts below.

As for the last minute voting yesterDay. It really makes sense for alona to save herself. After closer inspection sally did say she would break up a tie. So her switching her vote makes sense.

I'm not sure why Lommy switched her vote. I never really saw her give a reason. Just mentioned that alona should be grateful. I've never played with her before so I don't know her very well.

Rikae doesn't really seem to be a baddie to me.

morm has raised some of my flags. At some point in time today I'm going to have to go back and analyze morm. I'd do it this morning, but I'm not going to have enough time before I have to leave for work.

Everyone else is flying under my radar as well. Which makes me think that some of the baddies are those that haven't spoken much. However it'd be highly unlikely that they ALL aren't speaking. Which means that I've got plenty of analyzing to do today.

People I'd like to analyze today because they are flying below my radar: Nessa, Nerwen, and Mac.

[Thinlómien]

As for my vote - Alon was pretty neutral on my books while Inzil was slightly (but only slightly) suspicious. I was mentally prepared to retract from Shasta to Inzil in order to save morm. I even wrote that post: "--Shasta, ++Inzil, Morm should be grateful." And that grateful comment came because morm and I have old rivalries so it would be quite extraordinary for me to save him. Then, the situation changed quickly and I just replaced morm's name with Alona's without thinking much and posted it. That's it for those who have asked.

Then, the kills. I believe phantom was killed because he seemed like a seer dream and possibly also because he is a dangerous opponent (mayhaps he was getting too close to the truth with Shasta and/or Rikae and they decided to eliminate him with the seer-dream cover?) Brinn, then. I don't know why people find it so surprising. You can't expect a pattern based on one single kill. I think Brinn was possibly picked for suspected wolvishness or giftedness, and probably at least for being improbable wolf kill. (Hmm, don't ask why she'd be an improbable wolf kill. Probably because she had come under more suspicion than many others.)

I don't like the way Form speculates about the bear kills. It looks like he's been thinking of bear tactics far too much for his own good, which could point at him being the bear himself, or possibly being a wolf.

I get weird vibes of Autume. She seems somehow very reserved and defensive and agreeing with people. But I don't know if it's just her style, I've never played with her before.

Morm - to me, Rikae is a big questionmark. I suspect her to some extent, but then again she has this big innocence show going on and claims she wouldn't do this and that as a wolf and accuses people for thinking that she's either stupid or evil and calculating if they suspect her of something like that, so I'm not sure. Sally seems to be very much like her usual self, she tends to be jumpier (mmh she actually is a bit jumpy now but not as jumpy as she tends to be a wolf) and more careful when being a wolf. So I'm not sure about her either but she's leaning innocent.

Alona's use of smileys is kind of disturbing. Greenie has complained to me before for suspecting her on grounds like that, but really, the overt use of smileys - especially sad smiley, normal smiley and eek smiley - or using them in wrong places gives a dishonest or trying-to-please impression, and that's what Alona is doing now.

Thanks for clearing that up. Sorry Lommy! No problem. :D

I'm going to work now, but I'll be back in some five hours. See you all!


edit: xed with Autume

[mormegil]

Well after sealing the Seer's fate I didn't want to make another newbie mistake like that again. :rolleyes: So I decided to see where an experienced player stood on the issue. ;)

I also thought Inzil's vote suspicious. So I decided to do what I thought was best.

Wow! This increases your credibility in my book, this and this post alone assuaged all my misgivings of you :rolleyes:. This post makes you fly up to the near top of my list.

Oh, but I better not suspect you too much otherwise Sally-wolf may find it 'suspicious' that somebody else has strong suspicions and the two of you would suspect me further for the simple reason of suspecting you.

[alonariel]

Alona's use of smileys is kind of disturbing. Greenie has complained to me before for suspecting her on grounds like that, but really, the overt use of smileys - especially sad smiley, normal smiley and eek smiley - or using them in wrong places gives a dishonest or trying-to-please impression, and that's what Alona is doing now.

Here we go again. Sorry if it makes me seem over eager or eager to please. I really think it's just turning out to be my style of play...but if it bothers you that much (like Nerwen's backwards writing or something), then I'll lay off the smlieys.

Okay, I'm off to school. I'll be back around 1pm pst to post.

PS: I go crazy with smileys on AIM, too.

[autume98]

Wow! This increases your credibility in my book, this and this post alone assuaged all my misgivings of you :rolleyes:. This post makes you fly up to the near top of my list.


I was just telling you why I did what I did. Not really sure what I did to make me your prime suspect.

Edit Xed with alona

[mormegil]

I was just telling you why I did what I did. Not really sure what I did to make me your prime suspect.


First, I never said you were my prime suspect and second just because you 'explained' why you did what you did does not make you innocent.

I saw this but didn't comment last night


Yeah, sorry about that. I get antsy when I'm not well and I was already a bit ticked about the accusation so I went a bit nuts. And I'm sure your pack is chuckling at me as we speak. Do tell them hello for me toNight, will you?


I found it interesting last night after I gave the line about Sally's pack mates wanting her to calm down she seemed to have done so. After this post she went on only to light conversation about the nicknames and then signed off. It strikes me as very strange that she would do this, almost as if she took the advice I proffered.

Rikae, your Nerwen remark is interesting. I think there is merit in it. I would like investigate this further though I fear there are some time constraints as this is my first day back to work after a week off.

[Rikae]

Alona, earlier you seem to have said that Lommy and/or Sally was not trying to save you, since their votes crossed with yours? That doesn't make sense - if their votes *hadn't* crossed with yours, the fact that yours saved yourself would speak in their favor, but since they crossed, it doesn't make any difference.
Lommy's explanation for the "grateful" comment sounds believable enough, although there is still something that makes me uneasy about her.
I think the trio of Sally/autume/Alona just has to contain at least one wolf - I have a feeling knowing one of their roles would help sort out the others.

EDIT: X'd with Morm. EDIT again: "her" not "he" for Lommy. :D

[Rikae]

What Nerwen remark, Morm?

[Rikae]

One other thing - I don't like Nessa's commentary, although I'm not sure if it's just because I disagree with her/don't like the style, or whether it's really suspicious. She seems detached, just here to make comments of questionable value. Day 1 she looked like she was encouraging people to vote randomly, and now she's saying she doesn't like how "divided" the village has become - it just seems fishy, as though she's saying "concentrate on a couple innocents, so I and my buddies don't have to worry" or something. Nothing wolves like better than a swiftly rolling bandwagon for an innocent (and they are free to stand aside and say "I told you so").
Considering that... why has there not been more analysis of yesterDay's voting, anyway? The Zilwagon needs a closer look.

[Rikae]

Wait just a minute here. Sally's running around toDay saying she said beforehand that she would break a tie, therefore her vote isn't questionable... but this was in her vote post:


I don't find Alona that suspicious right now. Sorry for the re-tie.

....eh? That's right. She thought she was re-tying alona and Inzil. So why the talk of tie-breaking toDay?

[Rikae]

And Autume really gives me the impression of protecting Sally now. Something's not kosher.

And with that, I achieve the elusive quintuple post! :D

[mormegil]

What Nerwen remark, Morm?

My mistake, I remember the remark but I thought it was you. It was Mac, my mistake.

[mormegil]

Wait just a minute here. Sally's running around toDay saying she said beforehand that she would break a tie, therefore her vote isn't questionable... but this was in her vote post:



....eh? That's right. She thought she was re-tying alona and Inzil. So why the talk of tie-breaking toDay?

Interesting note Rikae. I agree that at least one of those 3 (Sally/autume/Alona) are wolves, if not 2 or 3 of them. They do seem to be of similar mind and pattern. They seem to want to help each other out. I am focusing more on them. It is noteworthy that you have slipped in the suspicion list this day.

[autume98]

First, I never said you were my prime suspect


I misunderstood what you were saying then.

[mormegil]

Wow! This increases your credibility in my book, this and this post alone assuaged all my misgivings of you :rolleyes:. This post makes you fly up to the near top of my list.


Near top does not mean prime.

Yet you seem jumpy so I am glad to know of it. My vote is going to Autume or Sally.

[Rikae]

Look what Rikae writes! It is young, it is tender, it is nice! Read it!

Suspicious

alonariel- For reasons given yesterDay (seems to be trying to win people over, inconsistent) plus people seem to be protecting her. Seems to be using newness as a bit of a shield.
autume- Not making a lot of sense (although could be newbieness to blame), going with the flow overmuch, odd interactions with Sally and Alona.
sally- Both unsubstantial and touchy, weak and misleading defense re: vote, seems to be protecting alona.

Hard to read:
Durelin- She's posted very few times, although they were longish posts. There doesn't seem to be anything our of the ordinary, but she is capable of doing that as a wolf, so no read.
Formendacil- He seems to be staying outside the hotter debates and not particularly commiting himself to anything. A bit cautious.
Lommy- Something about her makes me uneasy, although her vote-switching defense looks honest so I no longer suspect her as much for *that* reason, anyway.
Mira- Seems excited, very involved, although slippery. Could be first-time baddieism or simply an extra effort to play well.

Under radarish:

Nerwen- Nothing she said really stuck, somehow. Lots of joking.
Nessa- I feel like she's trying to stand outside of the discussion, while poking at people to stir up annoyance and debate. Doesn't seem to be really *playing* the game, somehow.
Nienna- Very low-key and noncontroversial, seems either overwhelmed by RL or hiding from the spotlight.
Shasta- Definitely cast in shadows, that's all I can say.

Leaning innocent:
Macalaure- I'm more confident of his innocence than anybody.
morm- Controversial, aggressive, but feels honest and mormlike.
Rikae- Well, actually I'm confident of my innocence, too. :D

Of course, even if all my "suspicious" people are evil, this means I'm unsure about or trusting at least two baddies. Better look more closely...
Also, way too many people are under the radar for this point in the game. That's one thing that I dont' like about Nessa's comment on division: if anything, there are too many people in this village who haven't come under any scrutiny. Everybody should feel some pressure at some point, just to see how they react. Even if we don't catch the wolves, the least we could do is make them earn the win, instead of coasting there in the shadows!

[Nienna]

Day One

47 - banter… will need to vote early because she may not be around

51, 59, 65, 68, 76, 79, 82, 85, 87, 89, 91, 93, 96, 108, 111, 114, 122 - banter

72 - thinks Hakon looks fishy… too eager

98 - explains to Phantom that baddies can leave clues as well

102 - agrees with Phantom but says that she thinks that if gifteds were going to leave clues they would do it anyway and if they weren’t then his advice probably falls on deaf ears

104 - feels that if the wolves want to fake reveal then there is nothing really that the gifteds can do about it, but they can try

106 - still talking about codes - thinks that if you leave a code and you die your code dies too but if you leave obscure enough hints someone might catch on

109 - A hunter’s logical picks can help the village if they know them

218 - Hints should be obscure, early deadline isn’t going to work, surveys were confidential, Hakon seems ‘undevious’, bear discussion: if given the option we should lynch the bear first, explains things to Hakon, we can’t control the bear, doesn’t like Day One, is most suspicious of Hakon, says that if she is a bear she would want to kill the wolves but says that since she is ordo that is of no consequence, Hakon should drop the bear thing before she votes for him, enjoys Morm’s vote and retraction and vote again for Hakon

219 - wants to talk about something un-bear related

223 - threatens to vote for anyone else to discuss the bear

253 - Phantom’s a nutjob

259 - thinks Phantom’s suggestion that people vote for Fea is weird

274 - refuses to discuss surveys, offers herself up for lynching if it will save a gifted, votes Hakon

281 - really doesn’t want to talk about surveys

300 - thinks Hakon is by far the most suspicious so retracts and locks in her vote for Hakon

458 - trusts Phantom in RL so that may bleed into game but she is willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, has no feelings about the newbies, Rikae scares her, thinks Pitchwife’s vote for her screams wolf

464 - Pitchwife is bothering her but she can’t change her vote so she is just letting everyone else know

469 - thinks Pitchwife is more concerned with the way votes make him look than the actual vote count


Day Two

544 - thinks that Pitchwife’s vote for her Day One might have been a hint because she was offering herself up if it was to save a gifted

547 - clarifies for Zil that she locked in her vote for Hakon because she was pretty sure he was the most suspicious at the time

551 - wonders why the bear picked Hakon and wishes people to discuss it while she is sleeping

628 - explains that she locked in her vote because she didn’t think she was going to be back for deadline and didn’t want people wondering if she was going to retract, list with Morm being the only one suspicious, votes Morm because he was saying that it was stupid to vote for Hakon and yet he voted for Hakon as well.

651 - agrees with Mac and is willing to look at Zil again

668 - offers herself up on the lynching pile

673 - won’t die just to satisfy Phantoms bloodlust but will if it saves a gifted

699 - rather not have a tie

703 - Phantom song: It seems she is suspicious of Rikae, Autume, and Shasta?... though I’m not sure… and now that I look ahead this might just have been for the song to make sense

711 - thinks Morm and Zil are suspicious and that Zil is just screaming at to be voted

716 - asks Phantom what he thinks of Morm and Zil

721 - wants Phantom to be innocent

724 - thinks she is going to have to take a look at Shasta at some point but won’t be voting for him

764 - retracts for Morm and changes to Zil who she thinks is more suspicious than Alona


Day Three

775 - is going to pull up Brinns posts

785 - explains that she wanted to break the tie that is why she changed to Zil

791 - wonders if Rikae seems a bit eager to suspect her

794 - still suspects Morm

797 - allows Rikae to suspect her as long as it is done for good reason

802 - suspects Morm because he is grasping at straws and for looking for guilt where there is none

806 - defends herself, is going to analyze Alona as well because she is looking suspicious

809 - calls Morm a wolf

837 - Nerwen looks shiny to her (which I assume means innocent)


It is really nice being able to see all a person posted and go through it step by step. To me Sally is not looking particularly wolfish. Her constant offering herself up for lynching is sort of weird but that might just be her being a nice ordo… it could also be her trying to seem like a nice ordo. Her changing her vote to get rid of the tie seems fine to me. She did state many times before she changed that both Morm and Zil looked suspicious so breaking a tie in favor of someone she finds suspicious seems fine.

What does worry me just a little is how she begins suspect people just based on others suspicions not necessarily anything that said person did to deserve these suspicions. If that doesn’t make sense I can clarify. For me Sally is probably about ¾ of the way up on my suspicion list. I’d like to hear what others think of her as well.

[Rikae]

Nienna, although Sally said she'd vote to break a tie, she actually was creating a tie with her final vote (or rather, thought she was, and says so in the vote post). Now she uses tie-breaking as an excuse anyway.

[autume98]

It seems that I have accidentally created some confusion. Below I thought that when Sally voted for Dun she was voting for Durelin.
So where I put Dun 1 it should actually read morm 1, Inzil 5. At this point alona has 4. So sally did break the tie.

Lommy's vote would make it Shasta 1, and Inzil 6.

I am terribly sorry for any confusion I have caused.


Sally retracts vote for morm and votes Dun. Mentions doesn't find alona that suspicious right now. (morm 1, Dun 1)

Tommy retracts vote for Shasta and votes for Inzil. Mentions alona should be grateful. (Shasta 1, Inzil 5)

Brinn votes for morm. Doesn't give explanation, and unfortunately we won't hear it now as she has been killed by the Bear. (morm 2)

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry, I got quite ill last night so I ditched the computer in favor of....well, not being here. Heh.

And Morm, I 'calmed down' last night because I went to bed. Nothing more.


ETA: Oi! It submitted my post before I was finished! :(

Well, in that case I'll just say that I'll be back in a second. Fell asleep last night before I could do/finish my Brinn analysis, so I'll wrap that up quick and then I might have an announcement to make. We shall see.

[Rikae]

autume, yes, Sally broke the tie - but she didn't know that's what she was doing at the time, as her vote post clearly shows! She can't use that as an excuse now.
Furthermore, it's irrelevant how alona's retraction reflects on Sally's and Lommy's, since they all crossed with each other.

Sally, making an "announcement" at this time, if I understand you properly, would be needless and, therefore, exceedingly suspicious. :rolleyes:

[alonariel]

Alona, earlier you seem to have said that Lommy and/or Sally was not trying to save you, since their votes crossed with yours? That doesn't make sense - if their votes *hadn't* crossed with yours, the fact that yours saved yourself would speak in their favor, but since they crossed, it doesn't make any difference.

I said that I had no idea they were going to save me. I didn't see that they retracted until after I'd posted.

[Durelin]

It seems that I have accidentally created some confusion. Below I thought that when Sally voted for Dun she was voting for Durelin.
So where I put Dun 1 it should actually read morm 1, Inzil 5. At this point alona has 4. So sally did break the tie.

Here's her vote post...

Oh screw it.


--Morm

++Dun


I don't find Alona that suspicious right now. Sorry for the re-tie.



EDIT: x'd with Alona. Now I'm the idiot.

So when she posted, she believed she was re-tying...and at the last minute, literally.

Hello all, btw.

Sally, Nessa, Nienna, Mira, Lommy, alona, autume...so many to lynch, so little time...I guess I need to pick a few favorites.

I must say I could almost thank the wolves for taking phantom's advice, but I also think they are silly for actually listening to him.

It's funny to me that there was some quiet consensus that he was the Night 1 Seer dream...as usual? Perhaps we should lynch all you people who are convinced of such.

Or maybe we should lynch everyone with a sick sense of humor.

<_< >_>

[satansaloser2005]

autume, yes, Sally broke the tie - but she didn't know that's what she was doing at the time, as her vote post clearly shows! She can't use that as an excuse now.
Furthermore, it's irrelevant how alona's retraction reflects on Sally's and Lommy's, since they all crossed with each other.

Sally, making an "announcement" at this time, if I understand you properly, would be needless and, therefore, exceedingly suspicious. :rolleyes:

*rolls eyes*

That wasn't even close to what I meant, but thanks for that.


Finishing my Brinn analysis now, if I may.


EDIT: x'd with Alona and Durie. And I'll admit to editing my post for the re-tie. I'll explain in a minute.

[Durelin]

Hmm maybe I'm sexist.

[Rikae]

I said that I had no idea they were going to save me. I didn't see that they retracted until after I'd posted.

What's your point, though? Actually, they didn't retract until after you'd posted, but that has nothing to do with anything. The important thing is, they thought they were saving you.

EDIT: X'd with Durie, Sally and Durie again.

[Rikae]

*rolls eyes*

That wasn't even close to what I meant, but thanks for that.

Well, that's good. If it's true.


EDIT: x'd with Alona and Durie. And I'll admit to editing my post for the re-tie. I'll explain in a minute.

In that case, I'm tempted to vote for you just for that. As a matter of fact, that added to all your assorted wolvishnesses =

++Sally

[alonariel]

What's your point, though? Actually, they didn't retract until after you'd posted, but that has nothing to do with anything. The important thing is, they thought they were saving you.

EDIT: X'd with Durie, Sally and Durie again.

So why all the scrutiny on me for the last-minute retractions? It wouldn't have made a difference whether or not it was me or Dun (is that the nickname we decided on?) who was lynched, the village would still be down an ordo toDay.

[alonariel]

Just wanted to add - Art class let out early, which is why I'm on now. I should be shopping for supplies for Wednesday's class, but well, you know how addicting this game can be...

[satansaloser2005]

EDIT: x'd with Alona and Durie. And I'll admit to editing my post for the re-tie. I'll explain in a minute.


K, finished (more or less) with my Brinn analysis, and it should be up shortly.

As promised....

So when I made my vote post yesterDay I re-tied when intending to break the tie. Saw that I'd x'd, edited it in, then realized I'd retied. Put it an apology about the retie and since I wasn't seeing straight (quite literally) it's in the actual post rather than the edit. If you want to lynch me for it, fine. It was an honest mistake and one that I'd like to thank Durie (I think, or at least she's the one who I saw quoted the post and actually saw my whoops) for pointing out to me.

Brinn analysis up shortly. Then....I think I'll give our resident psychic (Shasta) a lookthrough before I make my announcement/thing.


EDIT: x'd with Alona twice. Oh, and I guess Rikae's voted for me. Heh, didn't catch that. Go me. :p

[Rikae]

So why all the scrutiny on me for the last-minute retractions? It wouldn't have made a difference whether or not it was me or Dun (is that the nickname we decided on?) who was lynched, the village would still be down an ordo toDay.

On the contrary - it seems to have made a big difference to Sally and Lommy.

[Durelin]

Nienna and Mira - both 'analyze' (=summarize, but that's what nearly everyone does) and come to very forced conclusions.

Nessa - No substances whatsoever. Nor anything amusing. If you're the cobbler you should be louder and less worried about lynching a wolf.

Sally - Bad reactions, weird vote (seems to mean one of two things right now), post #544 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=607191&postcount=544) when talking about Pitchwife's vote for her...

alona and autume - Jumpy, defensive, while agreeable, and highlighting new-ness. Let's see some backbone! They're probably lowest on my list if only maybe because I have no background with them.

Lommy - Feels calm but sneaky, and I haven't agreed with anything she's said as I recall, which is odd to me. Hmm have I ever seen a Lommy-cobbler?

Nerwen - Not sure. Feels innocent, but...

Form - Feels innocent.

Rikae and Morm - I've been agreeing with them quite a bit, and am starting to feel uneasy about it. :rolleyes:

Mac and Shasta - Who?

[Rikae]

K, finished (more or less) with my Brinn analysis, and it should be up shortly.

As promised....

So when I made my vote post yesterDay I re-tied when intending to break the tie. Saw that I'd x'd, edited it in, then realized I'd retied. Put it an apology about the retie and since I wasn't seeing straight (quite literally) it's in the actual post rather than the edit. If you want to lynch me for it, fine. It was an honest mistake and one that I'd like to thank Durie (I think, or at least she's the one who I saw quoted the post and actually saw my whoops) for pointing out to me.

Brinn analysis up shortly. Then....I think I'll give our resident psychic (Shasta) a lookthrough before I make my announcement/thing.


EDIT: x'd with Alona twice. Oh, and I guess Rikae's voted for me. Heh, didn't catch that. Go me. :p

In that case:

1) where is the post in which Durie pointed it out to you? I only see her talking about her own un-bolded vote.

2) why did you use doing what you said you were going to do, ie, tiebreaking, as a vote explaination toDay without explaining all this?

3) ...gotta check something...

[Durelin]

So when I made my vote post yesterDay I re-tied when intending to break the tie. Saw that I'd x'd, edited it in, then realized I'd retied. Put it an apology about the retie and since I wasn't seeing straight (quite literally) it's in the actual post rather than the edit. If you want to lynch me for it, fine. It was an honest mistake and one that I'd like to thank Durie (I think, or at least she's the one who I saw quoted the post and actually saw my whoops) for pointing out to me.

This just seems too desparate, whether or not it's the truth. No offense.

Not what I was pointing out, as no one could know that's what you did/meant to do.

[Durelin]

Sally's talking about my post #864 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=607704&postcount=864).

[satansaloser2005]

In that case:

1) where is the post in which Durie pointed it out to you? I only see her talking about her own un-bolded vote.

2) why did you use doing what you said you were going to do, ie, tiebreaking, as a vote explaination toDay without explaining all this?

3) ...gotta check something...

1: Erm, maybe it wasn't Durie. *checks* Yup, it was. Post number....*checks again* 864, I believe.

2: Because I didn't realize I'd done it until....erm, post 864. :p

3: Okie dokie. Enjoy.


And really, if I did something that dumb I rather deserve to be lynched. (Not looking for sympathy, I really do feel stupid.) The problem is that if you lynch me you're lynching another ordo, so just take that into consideration.

Oh, I've not posted my analysis. Crap! *hangs head in shame* Thought I had.

[satansaloser2005]

This just seems too desparate, whether or not it's the truth. No offense.

Not what I was pointing out, as no one could know that's what you did/meant to do.

Fair enough. See the end of my last post.

[Rikae]

yes, I was right.

3) Sally, if you only crossed with Alona, and not with Durie, you were re-tying the votes as far as you knew at the time you posted. Durie put Alona at 4, while Inzil and Morm were at 3. You then (as far as you knew) tied Inzil with Alona.
Usually detailed explanations of errors and misunderstandings look innocentish (and you know that, Sally), but this just looks like a tangled web of lies that keeps getting worse and worse.

EDIT: far as you knew, not know. Also X'd with Sally, Sally, Durie, Durie.

[satansaloser2005]

K, so I know some of these posts are rubbish and I'm sorry, but I'm quoting them anyway in the hopes that maybe I/someone else can figure out why she was killed. It's possible the bear thought she was leaving a hint or something, so it's best to have everything in one place. :)

Don't worry everybody, things are going to be just fine now that I'm here.

*crash*


Ooh, so we're all explaining how we know each other? My turn! And I bet I can do it in one breath (and backwards):

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*phew*

Okay, now that we've got that out of the way, where was I? Oh yes...you people are all so very strange.


BRING IT ON.

Blah, blah, blah. And it's making the headache worse.




Haven't you heard? Our dear Mod wants us to hit 7 pages by morning, or at least 5. Oh, how I love a challenge.

More blah.

Do you really need him to say something in order to find an excuse to vote him? I've been told that tp has never been lynched and if that's true, than surely it's a good enough reason alone to be voting him.

On a more serious note, I will have to vote early toDay as I plan to see a Broadway show tonight (haven't decided which) and most likely won't be back by deadline. There's a chance I'll be around early evening, but just in case, I will probably vote late morning/early afternoon (EST).

Anyway, it's super late so I must go. It's up to everyone else now to post, and perhaps we'll make it to five pages by morning, though I'm not sure since it's emptied out in here and will probably be dead for the next few hours...

I know I'm leaping here, but it's possible the bear was unnerved by her 'wanting' to lynch Phantom. Oh wait, Fea's dead already. :Merisu:

Really, though, I've got nothing.

I think what Hakon was saying is that if something happened like the seer revealed the werebear, then perhaps we could leave him alive to either have him kill a wolf or have the wolves waste their kill on him (as they may be worried that he will kill one of them) come Night. Then we can spend the Day hunting a wolf instead. I don't know if it's an idea I'd go for, but it's not stupid. We can't expect the bear to listen to us, even if exposed, so it'd be all about luck. If the bear killed a wolf, it be more likely he did without intentionally trying, and the wolves would probably only waste a kill on the bear if their numbers were down or they had a reason to think the bear would pick one of them as his kill.

I think you all are being rather harsh on Hakon. While he hasn't caught on as quickly as some newbies, I don't think he's intentionally trying to be confusing or irritating; he probably really just doesn't understand all the rules. And while that doesn't mean he's necessarily innocent, not understanding something is no reason to attack someone. I know for some old-timers this confusion can get irritating, but you should give everyone a chance to learn. Let's not drive our newbies away from this site, okay?

So the first Night the bear killed Hakon and then last Night they kill someone who was defending him? A pattern? A veteran player who didn't agree with Brinn's point of view on the kid? Heck, for all I know it's a newbie who didn't like that Brinn said newbies can be annoying. (Don't mean that in a bad way, but you never know.) Still, this would point to a very irrational werebear so there must be a better reason for a kill than just supporting Hakon. Did they perhaps think Brinn was Hakon's BFF? (Need to check the rules to see if that theory's even valid, so don't take my word on it of course.)

I never thought phantom would be the most sensible one here...

I don't see what wrong with voting Fea if you don't have any other candidates available. She may or may not be evil, but the body count will rack up quickly enough as it is with two deaths per Night, so we might as well prevent any extra deaths due to modfire. Yeah, we have killed baddies on Day One in the past, but the chances we will lynch the bear toDay in order to bring the Night kills down to one are pretty slim. And anyway, I have to go now and I might not return. Considering I have no viable suspects at the moment, who else am I to vote for? I really don't feel like randomly voting another player, so I might as well vote someone who will die anyway. Either that or not vote anyone.

It seems most of you think voting Fea is bad choice. So tell me, would you rather have me make a No Vote instead? I would imagine that would be even less useful, but please enlighten me. I do apologise I can't make a reasonable vote due to my early departure, but I do have a life after all and I am horrible at finding anyone suspicious on Day One as it is, especially this early in the Day...

So....she agrees with Phantom about lynching Fea, because our odds of hitting the bear are slim and that way we don't kill a goodie. It seems odd to me that the bear would kill someone who was....not helping them, really, but ensuring that they didn't get lynched that day. This seems more and more like a random bear (as in a bear that kills for the reaction, not to win) but that seems wrong.

I thought morm voted Hakon because he made a comment about morm fearing the phantom, but I could be wrong here...

Correcting me, I believe, but nothing really of substance that could hint to the bear about anything.

That's because she'd rather hang out with live BDers than pixelated ones. Hmph. We should lynch her for that.

Heh.

The problem is I have no candidates who I find potential threats, and anyway, whenever I do vote for the person I suspect most on Day One, I get suspected for it (such as last game).

Maybe the bear was afraid Brinn would randomly vote for them at some point? Heck if I know. Also, given her lower post count it's possible that the bear is someone she's played with a lot and they thought her quieter nature was indicative of her being gifted. But if I was a bear I'd be looking to get rid of wolves more than gifteds (especially with the seer gone) so I don't know what the bear's thinking.

Well don't bother analysing my vote regardless of who it's for. If it's not a no vote or for Fea, then it'll be randomly for someone else. Unless I have time to return and find a real suspect.

Heh. Read my opinion of her last post.

I was just saying that because the main argument for not voting Fea seemed to be so we could eliminate the threat of two kills per Night immediately and the only way to do that is to kill the bear since it'll take multiple Days to lynch the wolves down to zero. While it's difficult to kill a baddie on Day One as it is and we'll most likely lynch an innocent, if we do kill a baddie, it's more likely we'd find a wolf and not the bear since they are larger in numbers. Of course lynching a wolf would be great, but it won't reduce the number of kills per Night.

And again....why would the bear kill her for that? Blah.

Probably because there was an entire Day last game that seemed to be mostly focused on me because apparently my vote on Day One was most suspicious...and I almost got lynched for it.

And of course I was innocent.

Again, not much to go on, so....erm, yeah.

I really must go now; I meant to leave hours ago.

But fine. Since I know you all will give me a bunch of crap if I vote Fea, I won't. So my vote will be random instead.

++morm

There. Now I don't want to hear any crap about it since it seems you all were asking I vote for someone random instead of a soon-to-be-dead player. And so I have. And at least it's better than voting Hakon who I think is an easy lynch for Day One.

I might be back and able to change my vote, but don't count on it.

You don't suppose....I mean, Morm wouldn't really be that obvious, would he?

YOU WILL CURSE THE DAY YOU DID NOT DO, ALL THAT THE PHANTOM ASKED OF YOU.*

But seriously, people. How could you let this happen? Any innocents who voted Pitchwife, or simply contributed towards his lynching, I hope you've given yourselves a good spanking.

After the events of yesterDay and his reaction toDay, I'm almost inclined to trust the phantom. Of course, that probably means he's evil.

Won't say much more tonight, as it is very late. I might post some in the morning and will definitely be around at some point in the evening...and I think I should be here for deadline this time.


*I just saw the show on Broadway last night and when I heard this line sung, I sensed it may become relevant to this game. So of course I just had to mention it.

First of all, the bear needs to die for killing her before we could discuss the show. ;)

On a serious note, she's (of course) saying that we're silly for lynching Pitch, and she's trusting Phantom, but this was a village wide mood, so why her?

I'm here! But I haven't read anything yet, and seeing how many pages there are, I doubt I'll catch up. We'll see if I end up voting or not; if I do, the explanation will probably have to wait til toMorrow, should I still be alive.

Sorry for my absence; I'm moving out of my apartment soon and have been busy enjoying my final days in NYC.

So the bear is killing (no offense to either Hakon or Brinn) people who aren't being helpful? Clearly the bear is Boro and he wants deeper discussion! Really, though, I can't see how it helps the bear to kill someone who doesn't have time to participate. It's possible they knew Brinn is a threat left alive and so they killed her before she could do anything of real use to the village, but I'm not sure.

Aw look, phantom's kissing up to me. I rock.

No idea who to vote for. It seems like most of the top candidates for lynching aren't even here, which makes me nervous.

Still nothing really to go on, if you ask me.

Must I be the tiebreaker?

After yesterDay, I'm scared I'll lynch another gifted..

And again. Would Morm be this obvious? (By this I mean the tie between him and Dun, which I think was still in tact at the time.)

++morm

X-ed: with votes

P.S. I'll explain my vote the best I can toMorrow since time's up now.

And again. Supports the theory that it could be Morm trying to silence Brinn before she can point out his flaws. Or it could be a setup by the bear to make us think that. Either way, Morm's of interest whether he's the scapegoat or he's eating it.

I know I had something more to say but I lost it. It boils down to this. Brinn didn't say much, and her (granted mostly random) votes were both for Morm. I think Morm's not that transparent, but it could either be a setup from the bear or Morm could assume that we'd think that highly of him and use it against us. Or, sadly, it could still just be random.

(Blah, all of that to say I don't know? I feel cheated.)

[satansaloser2005]

yes, I was right.

3) Sally, if you only crossed with Alona, and not with Durie, you were re-tying the votes as far as you knew at the time you posted. Durie put Alona at 4, while Inzil and Morm were at 3. You then (as far as you knew) tied Inzil with Alona.
Usually detailed explanations of errors and misunderstandings look innocentish (and you know that, Sally), but this just looks like a tangled web of lies that keeps getting worse and worse.

EDIT: far as you knew, not know. Also X'd with Sally, Sally, Durie, Durie.

*does the maths on this, because is confusing to me presently*

Nope. Well, yep. Well....wait, I'm confused. What?

*rereads, still giving you the play-by-play*

I didn't cross with Durie (that I'm aware of anyway) but I didn't realize Alona had that many votes. (Again, you can't take my word for it but there's no reason to lie about it.) And as far as I knew I was un-tying Morm and Dun.


By the way, while we're discussing me the real baddies are cackling and getting away with (literally) murder. If you want to vote me, vote me, but then discuss someone else so you actually catch the baddies.

EDIT: And, erm, yeah. Announcement has been cancelled. Rikae, for the record, I was going to say that I was quite ill and was going to sit out the rest of the Day, but considering A: what happened the last couple Days when someone had to leave and B: me disappearing would probably make me even more suspicious for some reason, I'll stay around. Expect typos and a bit of crank, but I'll be here.

[Rikae]

1: Erm, maybe it wasn't Durie. *checks* Yup, it was. Post number....*checks again* 864, I believe.
But that was today. Plus, she wasn't saying what you said she said.

2: Because I didn't realize I'd done it until....erm, post 864. :p
You didn't realize that you edited your post? That you thought you broke the tie when you posted, and then realized you re-tied it?
Or you didn't realize you put your edit in the post itself? No matter, the thing is, you were retying at the time of the post according to your own knowledge at that time, unless you crossed with Durie and failed to note it.

[satansaloser2005]

But that was today. Plus, she wasn't saying what you said she said.


You didn't realize that you edited your post? That you thought you broke the tie when you posted, and then realized you re-tied it?
Or you didn't realize you put your edit in the post itself? No matter, the thing is, you were retying at the time of the post according to your own knowledge at that time, unless you crossed with Durie and failed to note it.



No, I didn't realize I'd edited my post incorrectly. Big diffference.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, and add to your argument that Durie's vote wasn't even highlighted at the time (gasp, I went back and read the thread!) so it wouldn't have counted.


EDIT: The bit in the parentheses is to designate that I went back and checked to make sure my recollection (well, slight lack thereof, but still) was correct, not a rude attempt to imply that Rikae didn't. Just saying.

[Thinlómien]

Here we go again. Sorry if it makes me seem over eager or eager to please. I really think it's just turning out to be my style of play...but if it bothers you that much (like Nerwen's backwards writing or something), then I'll lay off the smlieys.No, it doesn't bother me like Nerwen's backwards writing because it's not annoying, it's just suspicious. There's a huge difference. So either you just misunderstood me, or are really jumpy/eager to please. ;) Just keep using smileys as you will, I have no intention of becoming any kind of smiley-dictator, that would be rather hypocritical of someone who very often has to remove smileys from her posts in order to have the acceptable amount there...

I think the trio of Sally/autume/Alona just has to contain at least one wolf - I have a feeling knowing one of their roles would help sort out the others.That seems plausible enough since they all seem curiously jumpy, especially the a-ladies. This is an interesting comment from Rikae though - if even one of the trio turns out to be guilty, I'll be more positive of Rikae's innocence. If they all turn out innocent, I'm ready to lynch Rikae.

I'm looking forward to seeing Sally's explanation and Durelin's reasons for her impressively long lynch-list.

edit: xed with Alona and everything after her

[Thinlómien]

The recent discussion seems WEIRD. I think Sally is honest about what she did and what she didn't, but she's probably a wolf. In that case, Rikae is probably not a wolf, unless she's a backstabbing meanie.

As for Sally's speculation - I can honestly see morm as a bear and doing that. But I'm still more inclined to consider Form a bear.

[satansaloser2005]

The recent discussion seems WEIRD. I think Sally is honest about what she did and what she didn't, but she's probably a wolf. In that case, Rikae is probably not a wolf, unless she's a backstabbing meanie.

As for Sally's speculation - I can honestly see morm as a bear and doing that. But I'm still more inclined to consider Form a bear.

Really?! (To Form, not the rest.) Form's completely flown under for me. Still, I think Morm's possibly some kind of baddie. Telling you now, I plan to vote for him unless something better comes along.

I shall now analyze Shasta, if only to keep me awake. :)

[Rikae]

This is an interesting comment from Rikae though - if even one of the trio turns out to be guilty, I'll be more positive of Rikae's innocence. If they all turn out innocent, I'm ready to lynch Rikae.


Now, I don't think there was anything that unusual about my alona/autume/Sally statement, but this from Lommy looks downright eerie. Like a wolf who is setting up a future vote, or something. If they all turn out innocent, everybody look at Lommy!

And Sally, the thing about Durelin's vote not being bolded - that only would matter if you thought of it at the time, and if so, you wouldn't have to go back searching for something, would you? You'd remember thinking "Durelin's vote doesn't count, there's still a tie" or some such thing. Unless you didn't see Durelin's vote at all, but somehow the way you're arguing just doesn't seem like it... I mean, if it was a simple oversight and you were innocent, why all the convoluted explanations, each new twist only being revealed upon further questioning? I think an innocent would be more likely to say "I thought the vote was tied" and then explain the editing flub, in an open and honest manner, than to do things the way you have. I'm considering retracting my vote, but I'm far from convinced.

[satansaloser2005]

Now, I don't think there was anything that unusual about my alona/autume/Sally statement, but this from Lommy looks downright eerie. Like a wolf who is setting up a future vote, or something. If they all turn out innocent, everybody look at Lommy!

And Sally, the thing about Durelin's vote not being bolded - that only would matter if you thought of it at the time, and if so, you wouldn't have to go back searching for something, would you? You'd remember thinking "Durelin's vote doesn't count, there's still a tie" or some such thing. Unless you didn't see Durelin's vote at all, but somehow the way you're arguing just doesn't seem like it... I mean, if it was a simple oversight and you were innocent, why all the convoluted explanations, each new twist only being revealed upon further questioning? I think an innocent would be more likely to say "I thought the vote was tied" and then explain the editing flub, in an open and honest manner, than to do things the way you have. I'm considering retracting my vote, but I'm far from convinced.

*whimpers, headdesks repeatedly*

Okay. Not to be rude, but how simple can I make this? YesterDay when I voted, I thought Morm and Dun were tied. I voted to break it, then noticed Alona's retraction. I'd seen Durie's vote, but not done the math (and then realized when someone pointed it out that it wasn't highlighted. If I remember correctly she highlighted after DL because when I checked the vote count -after I'd already voted at DL- it wasn't highlighted, but I didn't realize until after I voted that she wasn't highlighted, so yes I thought it counted at the time but I didn't do the math and once I'd voted I could have pretended otherwise but didn't so why accuse me of dishonesty?) so to me I was breaking the tie, not retying. After I realized my mistake I tried to correct it in an honest matter and have since been accused of lying about it.

I'm analyzing Shasta. Do with me whatever you like; I couldn't care less. I did everything in the right order, just made a simple error, and I've since tried to correct that error in the best way possible.

*whimpers again*

Back soon. If I disappear it's because I fell asleep, so potential apologies in advance.

[Boromir88]

Whatever game I'm in next...I want the occupation of Smiley-dictator...that'd be sweet. :p

[Thinlómien]

Sally and Rikae, stop messing with my head, immediately!

[satansaloser2005]

Sally and Rikae, stop messing with my head, immediately!

But....but she started it!

....

....

Yes, mommy. :(:p

[Thinlómien]

But....but she started it!

....

....

Yes, mommy. :(:p
:D No harm done. You two are just darn confusing because I keep switching my opinion of you every other minute.

[Thinlómien]

Leaning innocent
Mac - seems ok enough, makes good points
morm - seems very much like his normal self

No idea/ neutral
Mira - she makes me wary, but I think I've reacted her in the same way in every single game I've played with her, so maybe it's just her style
Durelin - I went from not suspecting her to suspecting her to not suspecting her... I have hard time figuring her out
Nienna - needs to post more in order for me to have an opinion
Nessa - sleeps under my reindeer
Nerwen - seems like her normal self which does not mean anything

Sligthly suspicious
Alon & Autume - like I've said before, they seem jumpy and eager to please. It's unclear, however, what is due to being rather new and what due to their styles and what actually due to their roles. *shrugs*

Suspicious
Form - I have this fix idée that he is the bear
Shasta - I still think he's worth watching, I remember having actual points against him yesterDay but all I remember now is that I had reasons to suspect him :rolleyes: maybe I should go and check my own posts...

Utter confusion zone
Sally & Rikae - I think that after a while my mind will be cleared but I really just keep switching my opinion on both of them so for now I won't say anything

[autume98]

I really feel like alona and sally are innocent. alona's retraction makes sense. She thought she had to save herself. I think sally made a mistake. I can see why you might suspect her, but she's not acting like wolf-sally.

I haven't had time to analyze morm yet. However with what sally said earlier I suspect him even more.

Even with rikae throwing out theories about people I think innocent, she still seems innocent to me.

Edit: x-ed with boro to this post

[Thinlómien]

Anyone around? I should go to sleep within an hour, it's nearing midnight here.

I'll go and check now what I had against Shasta. Then I may or may not analyse Form.

[Rikae]

*whimpers, headdesks repeatedly*

Okay. Not to be rude, but how simple can I make this?
Saying "not to be rude" and then calling me an idiot doesn't make it any less rude. Besides, I didn't complain that it wasn't simple because I was too stupid to understand, but because I thought the way you described it looked guilty, as if you were reluctant to tell us anything. At this point, it is way too late to undo that - the mistake is made.
YesterDay when I voted, I thought Morm and Dun were tied. I voted to break it, then noticed Alona's retraction. I'd seen Durie's vote, but not done the math (and then realized when someone pointed it out that it wasn't highlighted. If I remember correctly she highlighted after DL because when I checked the vote count -after I'd already voted at DL- it wasn't highlighted, but I didn't realize until after I voted that she wasn't highlighted, so yes I thought it counted at the time but I didn't do the math and once I'd voted I could have pretended otherwise but didn't so why accuse me of dishonesty?) so to me I was breaking the tie, not retying. After I realized my mistake I tried to correct it in an honest matter and have since been accused of lying about it.

So it all boils down to you "not doing the math correctly" after seeing Durelin's vote - after you complained repeatedly about the tie that Durie's vote broke? You admit that you didn't realize it wasn't highlighted until someone (I believe it was Mac) pointed it out, which happened after your vote. So yeah, I don't buy it. Nice try, but sorry, your story just doesn't add up, and every time you're caught you change it - it's all way too evil looking to just let it go.

[satansaloser2005]

Anyone around? I should go to sleep within an hour, it's nearing midnight here.

I'll go and check now what I had against Shasta. Then I may or may not analyse Form.

I'm here, but I'm not worth much today sadly.

Got distracted but I'll get to my Shasta analysis now so no worries. :)


ETA: x'd with Rikae. Yes, I'm an idiot. I understand that. And I didn't say you were stupid, I was saying that I explained it and I knew you were taking it differently so I tried to explain it in a bit different way to make sure it was clear both to you and to anyone who would come in on the 'conversation' later. Want me to vote myself and make it easier for you?

[Rikae]

Just reread the above and thought it was too harsh. Sally, if you do turn out to be innocent and this is all just a lot of nonsense, I'm sorry - but you can see how your behavior looks suspicious, right? I can't just let it slide only to find out you're a wolf, I'd kick myself forever.

EDIT: X'd with Sally - I don't think you're an idiot. If I did, I wouldn't go to so much trouble to analyze you...

[satansaloser2005]

Just reread the above and thought it was too harsh. Sally, if you do turn out to be innocent and this is all just a lot of nonsense, I'm sorry - but you can see how your behavior looks suspicious, right? I can't just let it slide only to find out you're a wolf, I'd kick myself forever.

EDIT: X'd with Sally - I don't think you're an idiot. If I didn't, I wouldn't go to so much trouble to analyze you...

Understood, and no harm done. I'm a bit cranky so more easily offended, and I hate being suspected as an ordo so much because it means the baddies are getting away.

How about this? Go analyze someone else you find suspicious as heavily as you've been paying attention to me. If I'm still the most suspicious to you feel free to vote me (or rather not unvote me), just be sure to think about other players too. K? :)

[mormegil]

You don't suppose....I mean, Morm wouldn't really be that obvious, would he?


And again. Would Morm be this obvious? (By this I mean the tie between him and Dun, which I think was still in tact at the time.)



Sally, you don't know me do you? Yes I would be that obvious if it suited me but I would also be very subtle if it suited me, or I'd set up an obvious frame. However, I am not the bear so I did not get such a choice.

I am only to this post on the reading but this post did not dissuade me of my Sally suspicion. It is big and long but not a lot of substance.

I am going to make an effort to shift my focus, I've been known (many times) to get so wrapped up in one person that I get tunnel vision. I would like to refresh my view and look at a couple others.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally, you don't know me do you? Yes I would be that obvious if it suited me but I would also be very subtle if it suited me, or I'd set up an obvious frame. However, I am not the bear so I did not get such a choice.

It was a rhetorical question, Morm dear. I know you can act however you please and I've always had trouble reading you so when I find something so obviously suspicious it strikes me as ood....erm, odd. :rolleyes: And of course you may not be the bear; you may be an ordo or a gifted. Or you may be a wolf, which would make a lot of sense to me as well.

[alonariel]

Whatever game I'm in next...I want the occupation of Smiley-dictator...that'd be sweet. :p

Oh noes! I wanted that role...smileys and I go way back. I even wrote them on my homework as a child in elementary school...does that make me silly?

[Boromir88]

alona...is that Rachel McAdams (your avatar)? If so, I love you. :D I saw her on the Daily Show promoting Time Traveller's Wife...looks like a good movie, and well Rachel McAdams is just awesome.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh noes! I wanted that role...smileys and I go way back. I even wrote them on my homework as a child in elementary school...does that make me silly?

Yes. And we love you for it. :D

alona...is that Rachel McAdams (your avatar)? If so, I love you. :D I saw her on the Daily Show promoting Time Traveller's Wife...looks like a good movie, and well Rachel McAdams is just awesome.

And I love you for spelling traveller with two L's.:)

[alonariel]

alona...is that Rachel McAdams (your avatar)? If so, I love you. :D I saw her on the Daily Show promoting Time Traveller's Wife...looks like a good movie, and well Rachel McAdams is just awesome.

It is - she's one of my favorite actors. I saw Time Traveler's Wife opening night and balled my eyes out. It was absolutely amazing. Go see it. Like, right now.

[Macalaure]

I had a busy day so far, and I feel a bit out of the game, but at least I'm here now.

All I have to say is that Alona's defense in 838 doesn't convince me much.

Both Alona and morm think my Nerwen-comment is interesting, but neither contributed anything to it, so I'm taking their agreemen with suspicion.

Not sure hat to think of Autume at the moment. She could be a very good cobbler or a clueless innocent. (Either that, or the entire village consists of very good cobblers and clueless innocents, which is usually more likely than than we'd like to admit.)

There are far too few people I feel comfortable to trust at the moment. I'm really confused, and willing to lynch Sally since most of the confusion toDay seems to be revolving around her. I'm far too confused about her to contribute anything beyond a vote. I wish I could make up my mind about her... Her death would make the game easier, but I'm more suspicious of Alona and collectively the half of the village I have not the faintest clue about.

[Thinlómien]

Shasta - I don't like his eagerness to vote Pitch, nor the sort of aggressiveness he has when phrasing it. He seems otherwise quite grumpy too, which doesn't sit right with me at all, nor does his rather hasty vote for Mira (even if he was in a hurry!), it just looks too much like a conscious bandwagon-start-try. That's what I said about Shasta. While it's not as substantial as I'd like it to be, it might be the best I have. Other options? Voting Alona or Autume based on a general feeling without knowing their styles? Voting Form because of a mere fix idée? Voting Sally or Rikae? No, at least I'm going to ignore those two for the reast of toDay (sorry darlings, you just confuse the heck out of me). Argh, I don't like this game.

PS. As for someone (don't remember who) suggesting I'm a cobbler, sadly the answer is no. (I'd love to try cobblering some day, 38 games and never a cobbler!)


edit: xed with the mod and onwards

[Boromir88]

And I love you for spelling traveller with two L's.:)
Shut it. :p

It is - she's one of my favorite actors. I saw Time Traveler's Wife opening night and balled my eyes out. It was absolutely amazing. Go see it. Like, right now.
Well, I don't know about that...but I'm sure eventually I'll get to it. I don't go to the theaters that often, quite expensive. I still haven't even seen Half-blood Prince and that is above everything else.

[satansaloser2005]

Oi, I meant it! I hate that most people spell it with one. I know it's not 'wrong', but it looks weird to me.

And get off your bum and see Half-Blood Prince before I drive there and drag you to a theater myself. ;)



Sorry for being random; trying to wake up again since I've been drifting off for the last hour. The Shasta post is in the tab next to this one, so don't think I've forgotten! (Unfortunately, like Brinn, there's not a lot to say about him. This makes me sad.)

[Thinlómien]

The current vote count is

Rikae -> Sally

Sally 1,

right?

Not much yet.


edit: xed with the two

[alonariel]

Well, I don't know about that...but I'm sure eventually I'll get to it. I don't go to the theaters that often, quite expensive. I still haven't even seen Half-blood Prince and that is above everything else.

Blasphemy! I went to the midnight release with Lari and blew about 30 dollars on it, ticket and Redvines included.

Sally, traveller has two L's in it? Who knew? :eek:

[alonariel]

Both Alona and morm think my Nerwen-comment is interesting, but neither contributed anything to it, so I'm taking their agreemen with suspicion.

Okay, so here's my newbie attempt at analyzing someone I've only played with one before... when I played with Nerwen last game, I was suspicious of her because of the way she got into such a heated fight so early on with Fea, which eventually turned out to just be innocent-on-innocent. I'm getting much the same vibe from her as I did last game, though with far less suspicion. So at this point, I'm leaning towards innocent.

[Boromir88]

Blasphemy! I went to the midnight release with Lari and blew about 30 dollars on it, ticket and Redvines included.

Sally, traveller has two L's in it? Who knew? :eek:

My roommate went to the mid-night release...not sure what I was doing that night.

It's quite funny because that's what wilwa is leaving to see, and I'm pretty sure she spelled it with 1 L....now I'm terribly confused

[satansaloser2005]

It's quite funny because that's what wilwa is leaving to see, and I'm pretty sure she spelled it with 1 L....now I'm terribly confused

It can be spelled either way. I believe the movie title is with one, though I spell it with two because it looks better to me. Also, is that the UK way to spell it? 'Cause that might explain why I'm weird and spell it that way. Never know.


And I digress. Back to Shasta.

[alonariel]

My roommate went to the mid-night release...not sure what I was doing that night.

It's quite funny because that's what wilwa is leaving to see, and I'm pretty sure she spelled it with 1 L....now I'm terribly confused

Microsoft Word says it's spelled with one L...

[mormegil]

Wow! There sure is a lot of productive talk going on :mad: *glares at Boromir*

Now, I've been keeping this in the back of my mind since day 1 but haven't done much about it yet. However, I notice some are picking up on it too so I'd like to mention what I've noticed about Formendacil. I've reread many of his post just recently to either help persuade is dissuade my suspicion of him. What I decided is he looks more villainous than before. One of the recurring themes that kept being woven into many posts was his past. He kept referring to this is how he always does things, or when something was not normal he made a point to show us that it wasn't normal. Either way he kept trying to tell us he is overall acting very normal and trying reassure us when he doesn't. Ordos don't worry about that stuff.

++Formendacil

I am almost certain he is our bear and that Sally and Atume are wolves.

[alonariel]

Okay, so a serious post for now. I've got class at 7 tonight that goes until 10, so I'm going to have to decide my vote (or no-vote) within the next few hours. So, a narrowed down list for now:

Durelin - what I posted earlier still stands - why did she vote based only on the three way tie?
morm - I had a hunch about him yesterDay, but was surprised to see that other people voted for him, too. I think I stated it was just a hunch. I'm less certain of his being evil after re-reading through Day 2, however.
autume - People think she's being chummy, I think it's just being nice. We're turning out to have a similar style so far. Still keeping an eye out, as she could be a newbie wolf, but that's less than a hunch right now.
Sally - I honestly believe it was just a mistake, though her attempt to explain it all out has created quite some confusion and, consequently, some suspicion from me.
Nerwen - unsure, but keeping an eye on her
Lommy - Grateful comment still bugs me, but other than that, I don't have a whole lot of suspicion for her at this point

[Thinlómien]

Morm, you just made me postpone my bed-time and go to read through Form's posts to see whether what you say makes sense and whether my fix idée is grounded or not.

[Boromir88]

Wow! There sure is a lot of productive talk going on :mad: *glares at Boromir*


*runs off to make himself supper to avoid morm's glare* I'll remain strictly observational until the deadline. :D

[Nienna]

The voice of dead Fea (who is currently re-reading the book) says "One. Don't tell me anything about it (the movie). Two. Go read the darned book."

Ok... back to ww. So I'm thinking this thing between Sally and Rikae is possibly just two ordos not agreeing and latching onto suspicions. I went through all of Sally's posts and she doesn't seem like the wolf/baddie-Sally that I have seen and called out in previous games.

Shasta still worries me. He hasn't been around very much and what he has done while around has been quite suspicious... especially his voting. I look forward to an analysis of him as I don't have time to do one myself.

[Rikae]

And get off your bum and see Half-Blood Prince before I drive there and drag you to a theater myself. ;)


We went to see it, but I think the projectionist must have gotten mixed up and played The Fellowship of the Ring instead... :p

[Lariren Shadow]

Rikae --> Sally
Morm --> Form

Form and Sally 1.

Left to vote:
Alona
Autume
Durelin
Form
Lommy
Mac
Mira
Nerwen
Nessa
Nienna
Sally
Shasta

I would also like to say that I will not be able to be here at Deadline. I shall be at the A's vs. Yankees game.

[Nienna]

Lari, dear... that count should read Form and Sally 1 :Merisu:

[Boromir88]

The voice of dead Fea (who is currently re-reading the book) says "One. Don't tell me anything about it (the movie). Two. Go read the darned book."


That I have accomplished. I was hoping to get through the Deathly Hallows this summer, but seeing as I start in a week, and I have a more important book to get through, that won't happen.

Edit:

I would also like to say that I will not be able to be here at Deadline. I shall be at the A's vs. Yankees game.
Please tell me you are not a Yankees fan? One of you loves the Cowboys and if another is a Yanks fan...wow...I'm just without speech at the moment.

"Yes, morm...I know. Don't worry morm....I'm done now." :rolleyes: *returns to bagel sandwhich*

[Lariren Shadow]

Lari, dear... that count should read Form and Sally 1 :Merisu:

Fixed.

And Boro, what book would that be? How to Catch and Mount Butterflies?

[Lariren Shadow]

Please tell me you are not a Yankees fan? One of you loves the Cowboys and if another is a Yanks fan...wow...I'm just without at speech the moment.


No I'm an A's fan, they just happen to be playing the Yankees.

[satansaloser2005]

Fixed.

And Boro, what book would that be? How to Catch and Mount Butterflies?

I miss Phantom now....:(



:Merisu:


Now stop distracting me!!!

[Boromir88]

Fixed.

And Boro, what book would that be? How to Catch and Mount Butterflies?

You know interesting enough, when I was watching the puppy over the weekend I saw this dark blue butterfly. I was going to take a picture of it for the Dark Monarch...maybe even photoshop a boot in there and smash it, but by the time I got my phone and back outside, I couldn't find it.

Really, ok I must stop now...I can't be goaded this easily...maybe I should return to Starbucks there's a good offer after 3 pm today if I hand them a receipt

Edit:
No I'm an A's fan, they just happen to be playing the Yankees.
:D

[Thinlómien]

We have one retraction in this game, right? *seems to remember that we have a potential No Vote and can retract that as our single retraction, so uses that as his self-evidence*
++ Mirandir
...because she's first on my grumpy list and I can change it later when I'm more awake. For now, it's 1:10 am in my timezone, I have a cough, and I'm grouchy. Sorry, Mira darling. But not very sorry.He uses quite a lot of energy to say it's just a retractable grumpy vote.

I realise, for those older players who remember (or the younger ones who may have read back), that this may seem a trifle anti-Formendacil in style, since it makes it sound like I think we have a good chance of catching a baddie on Day 1. We don't--let me make that clear--or, rather, we have exactly as much a chance as usual. I continue to aver, as I always have, that we're grossly unlikely to reason our way to finding a Wolf (or Bear, for that matter) on Day 1, but the stats show that Fenris lynches are not impossible, so we may as well at least try for one of those. Also, to emphasize the often forgotten second half of my anti-Day 1 thesis: "Day 1s are useless to analyse on Day 1." My point being that we'll be wanting a voting record tomorrow to analyze, and voting for Fea is an abdication of that, every bit as much as No Voting, but with the psychological pretension that it's an actual vote.Explaining himself too much again. Why would it occur to explain a thing most people would not even think about it unless it is something sinister? If a normal Form prefers to be careful and hates Day1 lynches, what would drive him to act differently, if not the role of a bear? (A bear needs to maximise the destruction because it takes him ages to get to the situation where he wins.)

I noticed this though:
My second thought regards Hakon. I more or less agree (bearing in mind that I skim read a page or two of this thread...) with everything Rikae said in argument against his plots and schemes, but he is the spitting image of the "All-Too-Easy Day 1 Scapegoat" vote... who might be a newbie in some games, or just too noisy... or too quiet... or too easy... or whatever... in others. He's rubbed me enough the wrong way with his suggestions that I can't honestly say he seems a village asset, but that has all the hallmarks of a Village Ordo.I'm not sure if he would have killed him if this is what he thought.

Innocent:
Formendacil :smokin:Sorry Alona and Boro, I will be the smiley dictator yet for a while - but doesn't that smiley seem somewhat disturbing? I think it looks sort of... nervous to add it there.

Brinn baffles me too--her death, that is. After the Hakon death, I was expecting a somewhat wilder kill from the Bear--one of the village loudmouths or noisemakers. Well, "expecting" is a strong word, but I definitely would have inclined that way. As it is, however, Brinn has been quite quiet, and thus less readable. Her death, however, takes the Bear in completely the opposite direction of Hakon's--unless they were both completely unconnected to the Bear as far as posts went. I was more expecting, though, to wake up and find someone like Alona gone--someone making more noise, and generally more suspicious.And this still rubs me the wrong way - he is too analytical about the bear's picking patterns and tactics and generally just thinking too much of the bear not to be the bear himself.

That's it. Seems like my fix idée has some base (but it could have more). It still gets my vote:

++Formendacil

Better get rid of the bear early and thus lower the amount of kills during the Nights.


edit: xed with everybody except Boro's first post after mine

[Nessa Telrunya]

Mmmm, neither alona or Form are looking very good right now. I just can't figure out who looks more suspicious...


Who to vote for?

[Durelin]

And this still rubs me the wrong way - he is too analytical about the bear's picking patterns and tactics and generally just thinking too much of the bear not to be the bear himself.

The bear can think about being the bear all he/she likes, but it's a different matter entirely to type up his/her thoughts and post them. In other words, I don't think that argument has much to it.

I was under the impression Form always explains himself, among other things, a lot. Explaining is a favorite past-time of many people I know, and I am at least under the impression that he is one of them.

I do tend to trust Form rather than distrust, and I cannot say I can read him, but I have absolutely no idea where people are getting some huge bear vibe, maybe particularly because I don't know what a bear vibe is. All anyone seems to have to offer is that a bear likes to talk about his/herself, which I don't buy.

Anyway...sudden attention so completely away from Sally (and alona) is not *necessarily* bad, but is definitely weird.

I went through all of Sally's posts and she doesn't seem like the wolf/baddie-Sally that I have seen and called out in previous games.

So what does a wolf/baddie-Sally look like?

Durelin - what I posted earlier still stands - why did she vote based only on the three way tie?

You're just hung up on it cause I picked you. ;) I did not want to leave the lynch up to chance, and I wanted my vote to count for something. I waited as long as I felt it was safe to vote, waiting to see if someone else would break the tie, and making up my mind whether I needed to break the tie or could just vote for Mira (though by the end I had decided that tie or not, I was going to vote you rather than throw away my vote). But no one chose to break it until the last minute. Inziladun and morm seemed innocent to me, you did not. And I am still perfectly happy with my vote.

[Rikae]

The Form case looks rather weak. He's one to reminisce about the old days quite a lot in any event - and the smiley? I like it. It's funny.

Lommy (not just for the Form stuff) and Nienna are just somehow creepy. I have to give this more thought... but they both give a going-with-the-flow, looking-for-a-wagon-to-join-rather-than-a-wolf sort of feel. More later, I have to go make ice cream sundaes.

[Durelin]

Who to vote for?

How about whom you think to be suspicious, and not just someone who looks to be on the lynching block other than Sally? :Merisu: :p

[alonariel]

Anyway...sudden attention so completely away from Sally (and alona) is not *necessarily* bad, but is definitely weird.

This Form suspicion has seemed to come not from nowhere, but definitely almost as a sidetrack from me and Sally. It's confusing and is inadvertently adding to my suspicion of Sally. I think I'm gonna go back and do another read-through of Day 2...

So what does a wolf/baddie-Sally look like?

When I played with her last game, she was very wolfish. Very obvious to the point where I didn't think she could be a wolf because it was so obvious. Does that make sense?

You're just hung up on it cause I picked you. ;) I did not want to leave the lynch up to chance, and I wanted my vote to count for something. I waited as long as I felt it was safe to vote, waiting to see if someone else would break the tie, and making up my mind whether I needed to break the tie or could just vote for Mira (though by the end I had decided that tie or not, I was going to vote you rather than throw away my vote). But no one chose to break it until the last minute. Inziladun and morm seemed innocent to me, you did not. And I am still perfectly happy with my vote.

That's probably true! :) It's just the wording that caught me off guard, but I understand your reasoning.

[satansaloser2005]

So Shasta's not said a lot either, which is why I decided to do him next. There's not a lot to go on but some people suspect him and I want to see why (because they may be right for all I know, and I've just not noticed). Here goes.

*has been here, in the shadows, the whole time, no really*

Also, lay off Nerwen. She said it was only a day one thing in the admin thread, stop complaining, thank you.

Also, it wouldn't be a werewolf game if I didn't jump on Phantom for something. Phantom, say something extremely arrogant and pigheaded so I can vote for you, 'kay?

So just silly stuff, mostly. Defends Nerwen's silliness and then says he needs to vote Phantom because it's tradition.

*coughBorocoughcougheveryonewhobelievedhimcoughcou ghwheezecough*



Appropriately ironic for a theatre major, no?

Just bringing up stuff from a past game and then making jokes. Nothing to trace there either.

Also,

"Um, I'm like, the Ranger. No, I haven't left clues. Just believe me. Believe me because I'm Boromir88, dangit!"

Fixed that for you, Candor Man.

Edit: Fixed italics.

Directly follows his last post. Still talking about the previous game so I don't know. (Although if he's the ranger and this is his idea of a hint I'll slap him lol.)

Alright, I'm here. I have six pages to read, but I want to get my vote in right now because I have no idea when the deadline is.

++Pitchwife

Reason - his first post.



Translation - "No, Bear, don't join the innocents against me and my wolf friends, plzkthx."

Votes Pitchie because of his first post, which seems to have started the entire case against Pitch. I didn't find it that suspicious (I suspected Pitch later, myself) but I also know Shasta seems busy so maybe he just didn't have time to either come up with a better vote or to explain it more.

Oh, um, er... you were following last game, were you?

Phantom, did you completely miss the part where I said "I have six pages to read"?

Anyway, I think I'm all caught up now, though I probably did skim a bit due to wanting to get caught up.

Again, not a lot. Erm, be he leaving a trail at all?

Ah, see, I did skim a bit, missed this -

My heroine!

He just quoted Durelin talking about *checks* oh rubbish, I don't know exactly what she was talking about. *looks up* Ah. Okay, Durie had said she didn't like the idea of lynching Fea (although I'm not sure if Shasta liked her principle or the fact that she was rather dissing Phanom. Either way). But still, that doesn't give us loads to go on.

Can I just say that I hate the "voting to keep around someone more useful" reason for voting? It's the main reason I got into it with Nogrod two games ago - it's basically a slap in the face to someone who may not have been able to participate, etc.

Also, Pitchwife backs off his alona vote when pressed? Interesting. My vote stands, for now.

Edit: X'ed with Rikae.

He has a point about getting rid of people just because they can't participate, but other than that....now I really see what people mean. (I say people because I can't remember who said it. Unless it was just the voices in my head:eek:) It seems he did start the main suspicion against Pitch, and while he had no way of knowing Pitch was the seer (unless he saw something I didn't) I still think it's a bit off. However, his point about Pitch's switch to me is valid, and I've already spoken on it so I shan't repeat it here.

Rikae - Rikae (Rikae1)
Form - Mira (Rikae1, Mira1)
Morm - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon1)
Alona - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon2)
Sally - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon3)
Brinn - Morm (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon3, Morm1)
Autume - Hakon (Rikae1, Mira1, Hakon4, Morm1)
Rikae - --Rikae (Mira1, Hakon4, Morm1)
Form - --Mira (Hakon4, Morm1)
Shasta - Pitchwife (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1)
Mac - Alona (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona1)
Durelin - Nessa (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona1, Nessa1)
Pitchwife - Alona (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona2, Nessa1)
Zil - Rikae (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona2, Nessa1, Rikae1)
Pitchwife - --Alona, ++Sally (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife1, Alona1, Nessa1, Rikae1, Sally1)
Rikae - Pitchwife (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife2, Alona1, Nessa1, Rikae1, Sally1)
Nessa - Rikae (Hakon4, Morm1, Pitchwife2, Alona1, Nessa1, Rikae2, Sally1)

To vote: Fea, Form, Hakon, Lari, Lommy, Mac, Mira, Nerwen, Nienna, Phantom.

Noteworthy: Pitchwife seemed to freak a bit after suspicion turned to him and jumped on Mac's vote for alona, but why didn't he vote for Hakon if he were evil?

Edit: X'ed with Alona and Nessa, and added Nessa's vote.

Edit2: Removed Nessa from "To vote:" list.

Interesting point, again, about the vote switch. Maybe....maybe he dreamed Hakon for whatever reason and knew he wasn't evil?

Form, you've never liked me in any games you've played with me, I get that, but I've never seen you blatantly lie about me before. I haven't suspected Rikae at all, and I'd like to know just where you got that particular assumption.

Bit harsh. But he's right; he didn't say a thing about Rikae. Has this been cleared up? Because if not, I'm going to take another look at Form.

Definitely not wanted. What does an innocent morm gain from saying this? Hint - it's "nothing".

Again, he's got a point. (See below post commentary, by the way) Now I'm not saying that he's innocent, but I like some of the points he's making. (Okay, so the like two points he's made I'm okay with. I'm not saying he's prolific either. Just that the few things he's said of consequence aren't complete rubbish.)

You're right, it was Mira. Sorry morm.

Also, one too many e's, newreN.

Above commentary applies. Doesn't matter who it was, it's still a bit suspicious.

Nogrod isn't playing.

More to come later, but I'm putting in a vote right now, because I'm, um, training my shadow-powers all day (read: reasons in admin thread) and won't be here most of the day!

++Mirandir for pointing out gifteds, which is how we caught Boro last game.

Heh. Glad he's not; the thread's been busy enough. :p

I don't think Mira would make the same sort of mistake, but anything's possible.


So really, there's not a lot here either. He suspects (or at least did yesterDay) Mira and thinks Form's shifty as well. He also hasn't left any sort of trace regarding other people; it's almost like he's trying to avoid commenting on the big issues that have been discussed in the game. It might be because he's busy, so I don't really want to lynch him toDay, but I'll be keeping an eye on him.

[Nienna]

Rikae can you clarify creepy for me... I'd like to respond but yet find I don't know how to respond as I don't know what creepy means...

A baddie-Sally doesn't tend to overly state that she is innocent. She tends to imply her innocence without saying it out-right. I may be wrong with this but it is what I have noticed. So I trust her for the moment.

[satansaloser2005]

When I played with her last game, she was very wolfish. Very obvious to the point where I didn't think she could be a wolf because it was so obvious. Does that make sense?

Weren't you only with me in the last game? 'Cause last game I think Boro and I planned that whole flirt thing just to have fun. And I was under somewhat special instructions from Lari to be amusing. Just saying, so you don't get the wrong impression based on last game. (Although I do like a fair bit of crazy. Heh.)



EDIT: either I x'd with Nienna or just didn't read her post. Anyway....*gives her a cookie*

[Rikae]

Rikae can you clarify creepy for me... I'd like to respond but yet find I don't know how to respond as I don't know what creepy means...

A baddie-Sally doesn't tend to overly state that she is innocent. She tends to imply her innocence without saying it out-right. I may be wrong with this but it is what I have noticed. So I trust her for the moment.

I'm going to have to look at your posts to see what exactly gave me that impression, but generally staying in the background, going with the flow, giving the impression of hiding in the shadows.

[Formendacil]

Wow! There sure is a lot of productive talk going on :mad: *glares at Boromir*

Now, I've been keeping this in the back of my mind since day 1 but haven't done much about it yet. However, I notice some are picking up on it too so I'd like to mention what I've noticed about Formendacil. I've reread many of his post just recently to either help persuade is dissuade my suspicion of him. What I decided is he looks more villainous than before. One of the recurring themes that kept being woven into many posts was his past. He kept referring to this is how he always does things, or when something was not normal he made a point to show us that it wasn't normal. Either way he kept trying to tell us he is overall acting very normal and trying reassure us when he doesn't. Ordos don't worry about that stuff.

++Formendacil

I am almost certain he is our bear and that Sally and Atume are wolves.

While, admittedly, I am on nearly a full hour later than I expected to be (I am totally blaming the used bookstore, especially since anyone here who disapproves of getting a copy of Tolkien's Pictures is an Inktomi Slurp Spider and deserves death!), but I'm still highly--very highly--amused that after bothering to warn against an Inziladun-vote-for-Morm (ie. saying when I'd be back), I get almost that.

Really, though, Morm, you're memory is grossly flawed if you don't remember that I constantly refer to normal playing styles. Granted, my own playing style can hardly be called "normal" when I play about 2 games a year, but even so, having recently gone through old games to update my Grimoire just after the last game, I feel confident in saying this is normal. You can either take my word for it, or read through half a dozen old and buried threads to confirm it.

I'm rather more miffed that you voted for me after sparing me so little attention--a couple of minor "Form looks a touch suspicious"-type posts early toDay, and lots of banter then about other stuff, and then this is as in-depth as I get? The old Morm would have given me the full police-style breakdown.

Oh wait... there's another reference to the old days. My abject apologies.

[alonariel]

Weren't you only with me in the last game? 'Cause last game I think Boro and I planned that whole flirt thing just to have fun. And I was under somewhat special instructions from Lari to be amusing. Just saying, so you don't get the wrong impression based on last game. (Although I do like a fair bit of crazy. Heh.)

Yeah, last game was the first time I'd ever played with you. And noted for future games. I think everybody likes a little bit of crazy sometimes, haha.

~~~

As I posted on the Admin Thread, I'm going to be leaving soon for class, which doesn't end until after the DL, so vote post now, I guess. Since I don't have quite a clear read on whom I should vote for (I think Form's case came out of nowhere, and my suspicion for morm from yesterDay has gone down), here we go:

++No vote

I'm nervous to see what I'm going to come back to, but hopefully we'll nab a baddie. I don't want to risk voting for another ordo or a possible gifted after how many we lynched already, so there's my not-vote.

[Durelin]

++No vote

Boooooo!

[satansaloser2005]

That's what she said.

[alonariel]

Boooooo!

I'm sorry. I know you wanted me to show some backbone, but I think this is the best way I can help the village. Other people will be around and have more time to examine players than I will toDay.

[Macalaure]

Lommy's case against Form does indeed look like an attempt at scapegoating, especially since after morm's vote for him it was obvious that there's a market for Form-votes. This would mean that both Sally and Lommy are wolves, since Sally is more in the spotlight than Alona, so it would be more efficient to throw more suspicion at Sally than at Form. It's also possible that she's the cobbler and is trying to save both because she shares the mainstream belief that the two are suspicious.

I think I'll put Durelin in my small group of people I trust - she's sensible.

[alonariel]

That's what she said.

Oh do not start that! I've heard enough of that from phantom.

[satansaloser2005]

I agree. I think Form might be suspicious, but not enough to kill him toDay. It's sketchy at best how quickly he became a focus of discussion.

And Mac, just remember that the sensible people aren't always the innocent ones.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh do not start that! I've heard enough of that from phantom.

Hehe. I was just agreeing with Durie in my own special way.:Merisu:

[autume98]

Thanks for the Shasta analysis sally. Definitely someone I want to keep an eye on, but I don't see anything to lynch him today. Like you said there's not a lot to go on.

As for Form, I really don't see anything that says to lynch him today either.

Now I'm off to do my morm analysis since people were suspecting him yesterday, and since he's now in my radar.

Back in a bit!

[satansaloser2005]

Random question. Has Tum disagreed with me at any point in the game? (Not that I'm complaining, since we're friends and all, but....) I'm not the best person to hide behind, but any port in a storm? Give me thoughts, and I'll see if I need to attempt another analysis before my head explodes. :p

[Nessa Telrunya]

So, I just realized that I've still not followed up on my promises of a list. :rolleyes: How typical of me.

Alona-I just get this... Feeling from her. Like sort of a wolfish feel.

Tum-Has played in an honest sort of manner, not giving any reason to suspect her, unless you count her tie-breaker on Day 1.

Durelin-I don't know very well, so I can't give a clear impression. He seems to have a talent of saying a lot of in-depth stuff, yet being completely anonymous almost.

Form-Could be a wolf, I suppose. But then again, can't everyone else?

Lommy-Is giving out clear opinions, not ringing the bells. Don't think she's a baddie.

Mac-Is there yet not. Kind of hard to analyze.

Mira-Is completely floating over my head. I have no idea what to think of her.

Morm-I am very impressed with. Puts himself out there, but kind of gray, rather than black or white, in terms of role.

Nerwen-Is giving me no idea as to what she is. Not fair, really. :p

Nessa-You tell me.

Nienna-Is ringing those tinkly little bells, but there's no reason for me to go after her.

Rikae-Is maybe a bit suspicious, but I don't think she's a wolf.

Sally-I am pretty sure of her innocence at this point. I saw sally!wolf in action last game, and she's completely different this time around.

Shasta-Well, if anything, I know he's not the cobbler, or he'd be catching wolves off the hook. ;)


Well, I kind of suppose I don't know anything about anyone. I think I'm one of the only ones to fail at list making.

[satansaloser2005]

*cough* Durelin's a girl. *cough*

[Formendacil]

To respond to Lommy's sundry accusations...

He uses quite a lot of energy to say it's just a retractable grumpy vote.



Explaining himself too much again. Why would it occur to explain a thing most people would not even think about it unless it is something sinister? If a normal Form prefers to be careful and hates Day1 lynches, what would drive him to act differently, if not the role of a bear? (A bear needs to maximise the destruction because it takes him ages to get to the situation where he wins.)


Really?

Do you not read my LJ, Lommy? You're suspecting me on the basis of talking a lot and too much navel-gazing ramifications? I'm one of those people--believe it or not--who thinks things through too much and has an easier time writing five paragraphs on a subject than limiting myself to a single sentence, though I think I manage not to ramble entirely too much... but that's not for me to decide. All the same, I'm shocked you'd have me lynched on what is essentially my online hallmark.

Regarding your parenthetical comment about a bear wanting to maximize the destruction--I agree with that, as far as it goes, but you haven't thought things through far enough. I am not, in fact, in the post you quote, acting differently from my normal Day 1 self. I am, in fact, taking great pains to make it clear that what I am doing is consistent with my normal, much expressed opinion. Perhaps it's the philosophy student in me, perhaps it's the OCD, but I try quite hard to be consistent in the views I hold. If, therefore, my Day 1 action is suspicious, you're going to have to prove it on the grounds other than my own statement that I was doing something different--because I was not doing something at all inconsistent with my normal practice.

Sorry Alona and Boro, I will be the smiley dictator yet for a while - but doesn't that smiley seem somewhat disturbing? I think it looks sort of... nervous to add it there.


I'm... I'm not even going to dignify what with a written responce. But you can put these in your pipe and smoke them:

:smokin::p:rolleyes:

And this still rubs me the wrong way - he is too analytical about the bear's picking patterns and tactics and generally just thinking too much of the bear not to be the bear himself.

*blinks*

I'm too analytical?

We're playing Werewolf, of all things, and you think I'm being too analytical? I'm not saying I couldn't be the bear speculating out loud about my own strategies as the bear to misdirect people... but, at the same time, in a game that basically thrives on analysis and reading-into... you're going to convict me on that? Haven't you ever played with Nogrod? (*is being rhetorical... I know the answer)

Better get rid of the bear early and thus lower the amount of kills during the Nights.

Now that, Miss Lommy is a fair point. Unfortunately, it's the first one in this post. I'm not the bear, but apparently no one else is showing obvious Bear-signs. Though, really, why should the Bear be that obvious? S/he doesn't have inside knowledge of anyone's role but his/her own--like the Ordos. S/he doesn't dream about or talk to anyone--like the Ordos. And if a Bear has half a set of smarts, s/he should have the sense to eat people that won't leave a trail back to him/her. Really, anyone who appears suspicious during the Day is more likely to be a Wolf, because they're covering for other people that cripples how they can play. A Bear, on the other hand, has goals like a Wolf, but can play more like an Ordo.

All that being said, I still think we can catch the Bear... but I'm not sure we'll be able to distinguish him/her from a wolf before the narration... and you know how certain we can be in any case before that.

[autume98]

I'll answer for you and make it easier for everyone else. I don't think I have disagreed with you yet. I haven't seen anything to disagree with you on at this point.

[Formendacil]

I'll answer for you and make it easier for everyone else. I don't think I have disagreed with you yet. I haven't seen anything to disagree with you on at this point.

Ummmm... Who are you talking to, autume?

[Nessa Telrunya]

*cough* Durelin's a girl. *cough*

Gah! I'm so sorry! :eek:

[autume98]

Ummmm... Who are you talking to, autume?

Whoops! That's to sally asking me if I've disagreed with her.

[satansaloser2005]

Ummmm... Who are you talking to, autume?

Me.

Gah! I'm so sorry! :eek:

Meh, happens to the best of us. :)

Whoops! That's to sally asking me if I've disagreed with her.

(That's) what she said.

[Mirandir]

Here and reading.

[Nessa Telrunya]

Well, I have no idea where my vote should go. It would be Alona, but I'll be sleeping at deadline, and I am loathe to vote someone who has no chance to defend themselves. Sooo.....



++no vote

[Lariren Shadow]

Rikae --> Sally
Morm --> Form
Lommy --> Form (2)
Alona --> No Vote
Nessa --> No Vote

Form 2, Sally 1.

Left to vote:
Autume
Durelin
Form
Lommy
Mac
Mira
Nerwen
Nienna
Sally
Shasta

[Durelin]

*cough* Durelin's a girl. *cough*

Um, actually I'm a 23 year old male named David who has a lvl 80 rogue in World of Warcraft and listens to My Chemical Romance.

>_>

Lommy-cobbler?

Nienna, Mira, Nessa, alona, and autum just kinda make up this ball of wolfishness in my head right now.

Nessa - Her willingness to just say "these two people who other people are talking about a lot, one of which was just voted for by two people, I of course think are suspicious, too...which one should I vote for?" Then her list, which does not really reflect that she has any suspicion.

Nienna - Yeah, still creepy. Voting-wise: She picked up Lommy's vote for Shasta and went for him yesterDay. She put Pitchwife at 3 votes on Day 1.

My brain just stopped working. That normally happens when I try to go back through the thread...

[Durelin]

++no vote

BOOOOOO!

[satansaloser2005]

Um, actually I'm a 23 year old male named David who has a lvl 80 rogue in World of Warcraft and listens to My Chemical Romance.

>_>

Same difference. ;)



I'm not liking the no-votes at all. :(

[Durelin]

Lommy-cobbler? Lommy-bear? I guess she can be Lommy-wolf, too, if you want.

I hope alona and Nessa are wolves...

[Formendacil]

Form 2, Sally 1.

Wow...

I'm leading the vote-count.

Well, I'm tied with No-Vote, whomever that is...

Perhaps its because my life is apparently on the line, but I feel a bit ticked at Boro for sanctioning this cop-out. It really doesn't help the village at all, unless--beyond reason--the whole village abstains --on the assumption an Ordo would die (and even then... no wolf can be killed if no one is killed).

All the same, Nessa's No-Vote is less damning than Alona's. Nessa says (admittedly, it's WW and who's going to believe her merely on that?) that she'd like to vote Alona but doesn't want to vote against the defenseless. Fair enough--we burned Inzil over that yesterday and I'm miffed at Morm for the same.

Alona's vote though... I dunno. It just smacks of a jumpy young wolf who's afraid of re-triggering suspicion, and thus tries not to rock the boat any. Granted, rocking the boat does have a tendency to attract suspicion your way whatever your role, but... I dunno... I've just got a feeling here that Alona's a bit lost and feeling under the gun. If she were an Ordo, I'd suspect less worry over her own death, and more of a concern to take down a Wolf if possible--especially if this might be her last day. If she's a wolf, I'm reading "please don't let me die" into this.

[Boromir88]

I'm not liking the no-votes at all. :(

Your mom doesn't like the no votes. (Some dead person made that dying request from me...I felt obligated.) Continue

[satansaloser2005]

Well, the people I've looked at toDay (i.e. Shasta and a bit of Formie, as well as mulling things over about other people) I've not much changed my mind.


Sorry,
++Morm,
but I still think you're a good choice for a baddie.


EDIT: x'd since my last, 'cause I got distracted again.

[satansaloser2005]

Your mom doesn't like the no votes. (Some dead person made that dying request from me...I felt obligated.) Continue

Yay!

Oh, and my mind/vote is able to be changed. I'm looking at Nienna in a bit, and Alona if I feel like it. But at least Lari has something to do now. ;)

[autume98]

It is an exceptionally safe vote that doesn't leave any sort of trail of evidence. Because once it is decided that Fea will be voted for it gives far too easy a way for wolves/bear to hide.
Talks about voting for Fea being safe vote.

Not 'may' it is the safest option anyway you look at it. That is the major problem with it. It won't help anybody but the wolves to do such a strategy because no trail will exist.
More talk about voting for Fea

I don't think a vote for Fea is a wise thing to do and it will quickly make me suspicious for anybody that does vote for her.
More on voting for Fea.

This seems awfully strange. I get it that only by lynching the bear will we get the kills to one but she seems to discount the lynching of the wolves completely. A wolf wouldn't be unhappy to get rid of the bear. Also just because odds are slim doesn't mean we shouldn't at least try. This line of thought makes me fairly suspicious of Brinn.
Makes note that finds Brinn suspicious.

Wow Brinn, this seems very odd. Again you've done something odd to me. It has nothing to do with the vote for me. I couldn't care less about that but what is strange is the willingness to do what you perceive the crowd to want. There are still plenty that are okay with the Fea lynch plan. When somebody is too worried about looking good and not doing what they feel is best it worries me.

ps I am only to this point on reading.
Reply to Brinn when she said she'd make a random vote.

I've been watching Pitchwife since many were talking about him and I have noticed a few subtle cues that lead me to believe him suspicious. There was one thing in particular though I can't remember where and I'm a bit too lazy now to go find it, that made me wonder. Perhaps I'll go look after I post this.
Finds Pitchwife suspicious.

Okay, this was the post. It really seemed padded. "Look what I'm doing I know will be questioned but I'm going to do it anyway so don't suspect me okay" This concerns me because by openly admitting that it will be suspicious and he does it anyway we naturally want to give him the pass.

However, with that said I reviewed a lot more of his posts looking for this one and besides this post there wasn't anything specific that caught my attention. It could be that I listened to others too much as these things go.

My suspects are Brinn, Hakon, Pitch and Rikae.
He finds Pitchwife's first post.


*claps*

Bravo village, you managed to lynch the seer. I found him slightly suspicious but not even to vote for him even if I could. I wouldn't have voted for him because he did look slightly suspicious, if you follow me. Often times the gifteds seem suspicious because liked the wolves they are acting different or more guarded in what they say. Bah, I'm glad to know that the bear thought Hakon was a wolf. We can assume the bear found him suspicious too and therefore killed him. However, it doesn't fully help us but it could. Obviously it could be somebody that stated their suspicion of Hakon and might have voted for him. It could be that they said nothing all together. Not very helpful, I know.

I know it will be brought up sooner or later but Autume's retract and vote looks somewhat odd. Now it would be evven worse for her (assuming Autume is female) had the wolves killed Hakon but they did not. Autume could be the bear but based not likely a wolf. I haven't elucidated what I mean very well. Let me break it down a bit.

A wolf Autume could have changed her vote from Hakon to Pitchwife and then the cover-up would be to kill Hakon at night, it is what I would do, or might do in such a situation, it would have been damage control from my point of view. Anyway, since the bear killed Hakon it's obvious he/she thought him to be a wolf. Now Autume may have taken this bold strategy but I'm not familiar with her and most people don't have the fortitude to try such a risky strategy. I am willing to assume that Autume is an ordo that was influenced by group think in the lynching of Hakon.
Throws out some views about me being wolf or bear.

After reading what Rikae said about tummy, I am more convinced that we should simply lynch them both and be done with the confusion they will inevitably cause. Didn't I tell you to lynch phantom on day1 and be done with the endless debate the inevitably surrounds him. Rikae tends to be suspected too all the time.
Still suspects Rikae, but it looks like he suspects her a little bit all the time. Although I'm guessing he probably wouldn't suspect Rikae if they were both wolves in the same game. :D

Right, make no assumptions and don't narrow lists down artificially. Sorry the only other way to narrow down the list is to look at who is alive from one day to the next. Take my thoughts or not I don't really care but I will state what I am thinking, it may be useful to some. I, unlike you it would seem, need to narrow the list down to a mangegable size and think of most likely scenarios given teh evidence we have up to this point. Did not Aragorn and the hunters do the same with the puzzle of Merry and Pippin, they were fairly close but not 100%.

Of course the bear might not go for wolves but it would make the most sense for him to do so, don't you think? Who poses the greatest threat to him? Wouldn't he love it to have killed all but 1 wolf so they still get 2 kills and then as the list narrows kill the final off? It would make the most sense to me to eliminate most rivals now while the list is still big.

At this point my main suspect is Rikae actually. Something isn't sitting right with me on her.
From what I gather here he still suspects Rikae. Although I haven't seen a reason why other than he just seems to always suspect her.

Rikae, think about it for the strategy to not work the bear would need to be incredibly successful. Hunting wolves at night wouldn't be easy so logically he would start as early as possible.


What corner? I didn't do any such thing, but it does allow you to play the victim role by saying. Well done, nice move really but I've seen it before and am ready for it.
Rikae and morm seem to get into it a little regarding bear strategy and killing wolves.

Due to school and air travel I won't be able to log on much if at all from this point forward. Sorry that I won't be very active.

++Rikae

She and Sally seem the most suspicious. Mira's comment seems a bit cobblerish and if that is so a decent lynch but I would rather go for a true baddie.
Hmmm...I don't think we've heard much from Mira.

Sorry I wasn't here yesterday but I was engaged in the joys of airline travel. I haven't been able to catch up on all that was said and I will see if I can but I don't think it overly likely. Anyway I notice a good deal of activity surrounded me yesterday. I got the impression that those who began it did not want to taint their paws on it. Sally increasingly worries me. She seems unwilling to commit to anything solid and yet floats around everywhere poking here and prodding there. She is stirring the pot, so to speak. Rikae as well is not looking good by me still. I don't trust her and would be happy to see her gone. I really believe that we need to bag a baddie today otherwise we are in desperate peril. I implore everybody to objectively look over all of Rikae's and Sally's posts.

Formendacil is another that just hasn't been sitting right with me. Nothing overt but small subtle things, more of a gut on him. I think the other baddie is going to be in one of the players I'm not familiar with i.e. Nessa, Autume, Mira etc... I don't know how to read them yet so I'm a bit at a loss with them.

I would love a fresh set of eyes to look at Rikae and Sally and let me know what you think.

ps I only skimmed some of what happened yesterday, if I get a more detailed reading opinions may change.
Finds Form suspicious.

Based on Autume's voting recount Alona does look might suspicious.

I am wondering if Rikae and Alona are in it together. Rikae voted early for Alona which could have been fairly innocuous at the time but something to throw off the ties they have. Admittedly it's a bit of a stretch but not too much to make it unrealistic.
Don't really see too much here.

Agreed. I did skim and see that. It does look strange and feel strange. Just another thing Sally has done that raised an eyebrow.
Mentioning sally retracting her vote.

Yes and for some reason both of you felt the need to do that, why would you feel that need I ask?
Mentioning sally's and Lommy's retraction votes.

No she doesn't seem too eager. I think you are more than deserving than a fair amount of suspicion. In fact I hope we have a lot more eager people to suspect you. The more I consider it the more I feel you are evil
In response to Sally asking if Rikae seems eager in suspecting sally.

That may be true. But I do know how I read you. I generally think you are suspicious, just like I think Lommy generally suspicious. Therefore I will continue to suspect you but I always do so with a grain of salt.
Responding to Rikae's response of how he doesn't seem to be able read Rikae either.

Sally, you seem fairly jumpy, I'm sure your pack is sitting there yelling at their monitor for you to calm down.
Looks like he's suspecting sally.

First, I never said you were my prime suspect and second just because you 'explained' why you did what you did does not make you innocent.

I saw this but didn't comment last night



I found it interesting last night after I gave the line about Sally's pack mates wanting her to calm down she seemed to have done so. After this post she went on only to light conversation about the nicknames and then signed off. It strikes me as very strange that she would do this, almost as if she took the advice I proffered.

Rikae, your Nerwen remark is interesting. I think there is merit in it. I would like investigate this further though I fear there are some time constraints as this is my first day back to work after a week off.
Had mentioned I was one of his top suspects and was replying to a comment I made about being his prime suspect.

Interesting note Rikae. I agree that at least one of those 3 (Sally/autume/Alona) are wolves, if not 2 or 3 of them. They do seem to be of similar mind and pattern. They seem to want to help each other out. I am focusing more on them. It is noteworthy that you have slipped in the suspicion list this day.
Throws out some people he think may be wolves and agrees with Rikae.

Near top does not mean prime.

Yet you seem jumpy so I am glad to know of it. My vote is going to Autume or Sally.
Thinks I'm jumpy.

Wow! This increases your credibility in my book, this and this post alone assuaged all my misgivings of you :rolleyes:. This post makes you fly up to the near top of my list.

Oh, but I better not suspect you too much otherwise Sally-wolf may find it 'suspicious' that somebody else has strong suspicions and the two of you would suspect me further for the simple reason of suspecting you.
I think he's being sarcastic in this post. I haven't quite got a feel for morm yet. This is my first time playing with him.

Sally, you don't know me do you? Yes I would be that obvious if it suited me but I would also be very subtle if it suited me, or I'd set up an obvious frame. However, I am not the bear so I did not get such a choice.

I am only to this post on the reading but this post did not dissuade me of my Sally suspicion. It is big and long but not a lot of substance.

I am going to make an effort to shift my focus, I've been known (many times) to get so wrapped up in one person that I get tunnel vision. I would like to refresh my view and look at a couple others.
Reply to sally thinking about would morm be obvious in some of his posts regarding being a bear.

Wow! There sure is a lot of productive talk going on :mad: *glares at Boromir*

Now, I've been keeping this in the back of my mind since day 1 but haven't done much about it yet. However, I notice some are picking up on it too so I'd like to mention what I've noticed about Formendacil. I've reread many of his post just recently to either help persuade is dissuade my suspicion of him. What I decided is he looks more villainous than before. One of the recurring themes that kept being woven into many posts was his past. He kept referring to this is how he always does things, or when something was not normal he made a point to show us that it wasn't normal. Either way he kept trying to tell us he is overall acting very normal and trying reassure us when he doesn't. Ordos don't worry about that stuff.

++Formendacil

I am almost certain he is our bear and that Sally and Atume are wolves.
I think this one is pretty explanatory. However I still haven't picked up on the Form being a bear.

Ok so that's it. After going through all of this I still feel like morm is suspicous. So far it looks like I'm going to vote for morm toDay.

I really would like us to lynch a baddie toDay. Too many of us have died already.

[Lariren Shadow]

Rikae --> Sally
Morm --> Form
Lommy --> Form (2)
Alona --> No Vote
Nessa --> No Vote
Sally --> Morm

Form 2, Sally and Morm 1.

No Votes: 2

Left to vote:
Autume
Durelin
Form
Lommy
Mac
Mira
Nerwen
Nienna
Shasta

All right, that's it for me here. Off to the game. Nienna has asked if she can do the counts and I said sure.

[Boromir88]

All right, that's it for me here. Off to the game. Nienna has asked if she can do the counts and I said sure.
O' course, I was going to suggest everyone vote before you left...but well that seemed improbable. Have a good game...boo Yanks :p

[Nienna]

Nienna - Yeah, still creepy. Voting-wise: She picked up Lommy's vote for Shasta and went for him yesterDay. She put Pitchwife at 3 votes on Day 1.


I'm still trying to figure out what creepy means...

As to my votes. I voted Pitchwife on DayOne because as soon as I asked him about his first vote he retracted it and voted someone else. This made him really suspicious in my eyes because I just wanted him to defend his vote a little. If he had done so he wouldn't have received my vote. Instead he changed his vote and started being suspicious.

I voted Shasta on DayTwo because he was acting really strangely (maybe this is normal but it felt different than when I had seem him play before) and his vote for Pitchwife was based on nothing and it was before Pitchwife changed his vote which is what made me think he was evil. We now know that he wasn't but hindsight is 20/20. And just as a side note I still find Shasta unsettling but he hasn't posted yet today (correct me if I'm wrong) and I won't vote for him again without giving him some time to speak.

[Rikae]

Lommers:

#561 -
Chides everyone on banter and lynching seer, says she gets newbies mixed up.
Seems to be saying something just to say something, then again, she showed up late and is maybe entitled to a little chit chat.

#646 -
Lets us know she's reading.

#671 -
A list which seems mostly to contain descriptions of people's styles, rather than suspicious/unsuspicious judgments.
Looks a little bit like the classic trying-to-look-helpful-while-saying-nothing. Only notes that I'm a bit suspicious, autume
is fishy and Shasta gives bad vibes.

#682 -
Says Mira raises her eyebrows by overreacting to joke. Thinks the bear may have killed Hakon because xe thought he was the cobbler
(I'm not sure why the bear would be after the cobbler...?), thinks I look like the cobbler, Mira looks like a cobber for gifted phantom talk.
Defends Sally from Morm (what looks like confidence is light-heartedness hard-wired in her very being). I confuse her, Mac has a double standard
(presumably for calling Mira on her slip? What else should he do - let a wolvish slip go, and a wolf go free?) Claims I kill people out of annoyance as
a baddie (news to me). Mira probably just a cobbler.

#686
Feels like voting Shasta, but that'sjust gut-feeling.


#689 -
Explaining her "double standards" comment to Mac.


#698
Needs to look at Inzil and Shasta.

#702
Morm innocentish. Can't see case on Inzil but might not be reading thoroughly enough. Mira looks cobblerish or silly ordo. Suspects me, but might just be because I get irritated. Alona completely under her radar.

#715
Doesn't like Shasta's case on Pitch, or his grumpiness/aggressiveness. Inzil seems sly but there isn't enough reason to vote him.

#718
Answers phantom's question (about alona and autume's chumminess possibly being BFFism) by saying it depends what kind of chumminess it is.

#723
Votes for Shasta - "Let's see if this works out or not". Weirdly, does so simultaneously with Nienna. Especially weird considering they seem to be making concerted efforts to distract from Sally toDay... really has to be coincidence there, but still odd. Also followed immediately by Sally saying "maybe I should take a look at Shasta..." - weird, weird, weird and creepy. Reminds me of the whole chatting-and-voting-Legate fiasco.

#725
Goads Sally to vote for Shasta "I got the impression you suspected him enough to vote for him"

#733
Vote count.

#738
Says she had Sally mixed up with someone else (over voting Shasta).

#740
"There's still plenty of time to break the tie... and plenty of people around who can do it. (Even too many? eeks...)"

#746
"*enjoys - with an eyebrow raised, though - the expected and scary pre-deadline silence*"

#748
"Phantom, stop planning a three-way tie, it's not funny if morm gets lynched because I think he's probably innocent."

#759
"Aieek I'd prefer to have Shasta lynched but I'd vote Inzil to save morm (and Alona)... Dury and Brinn, please vote either Shasta or Inzil."

#765
Switches from Shasta to Inzil "alona should be grateful"

#843
Explains "grateful" comment and vote. Form speculates about bear tactics so much he seems like a bear. Weird vibes off Autume. phantom killed because
seemed like seer dream... Brin for suspected wolfish or giftedishness, or because she was an unlikely wolf kill. Not sure about me or Sally. Alona's use
of smileys disturbing.

#885
Alona's smileys not annoying, just suspicious. Will vote for me if Sally/autume/Alona all innocent (! Why would that make sense from an innocent Lommie's perspective?)

#886
Recent discussion seems WEIRD. Thinks sally is honest but probably a wolf, I'm probably innocent. Can see morm as a bear but more inclined to consider Form a bear.

#891
"Sally and Rikae, stop messing with my head, immediately!"

#893
Sally and I confusing, keeps switching opinion of us every minute.

#894
List post. Trusts Mac and Morm, distrusts Form and Shasta.

#896
Has to go to bed in an hour (I guess that means she's not around, so maybe I should let her be for toDay...)

#908
Quotes self about Shasta suspicions. Unsure of who to vote. Going to ignore me and Sally.

#911
Vote count (with one vote? Weird)

#919
Postponing bedtime to look at Form.

#930
Form explains himself too much. Form discouraged Fea-voting, which was un-Formlike in style, explained this too much, would want to maximize destruction as a bear.
(Seems fair enough - not sure how Formlike it is or not, but he does seem a trifle defensive about it.)
Still, I don't really see the justification for her bear-conclusion and vote here.

Verdict:
60% innocent. Will look considerably more guilty if Alona or Morm turns out to be a wolf.

[Rikae]

Hmm, considering switching my vote to alona, if there is support for it... perhaps still more suspicious than Sally, and her role might shed light on some others.

[satansaloser2005]

Hmm, considering switching my vote to alona, if there is support for it... perhaps still more suspicious than Sally, and her role might shed light on some others.

I still think Morm's a good choice for toDay, though I see your point about gleaning more from Alona's death. *shrugs* Can we kill them both? :rolleyes:

[Formendacil]

Um, actually I'm a 23 year old male named David who has a lvl 80 rogue in World of Warcraft and listens to My Chemical Romance.

>_>

...


Nienna - Yeah, still creepy. Voting-wise: She picked up Lommy's vote for Shasta and went for him yesterDay. She put Pitchwife at 3 votes on Day 1.

Hi Dave, I'm Formendacil.:p Nice to have you out of the closet.

I'm going to be foolish here and step out on a limb by chivalrously defending Nienna with little reason other than that she's made two posts now trying to get Dury to say what she thinks "creepy" means. Call it the game-after hangover from being Lovers last game. In any case, if "creepy" merely boils down to "her posting style rubs me wrong" then that's apparently typical for Nienna and it's to be wondered at that she didn't die on Day 1 of it (she's done that twice, as an Innocent, and was saved by the coin toss last game).

That little bit of unwarranted chivalry aside, Nienna dearest, you do look a trifle suspicious, especially in that general way that quieter players look suspicious on basic principle, especially if they seem to evince observation enough to know what's going on and around enough to post at diverse hours--even if not often or long.

Can't say I see you as suspicious, but I've got Morm pushing my buttons and Alona ringing alarm bells--and I might be a trifle blinded.:Merisu:

[Durelin]

No, no. The first query regarding 'creepy' was to Rikae, and Rikae attempted to explain. I may...I may just say I agree with Rikae's definition.

[Formendacil]

Hmm, considering switching my vote to alona, if there is support for it... perhaps still more suspicious than Sally, and her role might shed light on some others.

Heh... well the last time I tried voting in the same direction as you, I botched it completely and went in the opposite direction. I'm also not sure I trust you, though you've been off my radar almost completely toDay. That being said, I'm amenable to voting Alona.

I'm not sure, though, that Alona's death would she more light than Sally's. Obviously, if one is a wolf and the other isn't, then the one who is a wolf is a much better catch, but if we can't tell that now--and I think we can't--then on the chance they could equally be wolves, each death would give us an entirely different set of possible related suspects.

So... if you're more suspicious of Alona, then go for her, but if you're equally suspicious, I'm not sure what the point would be. (And yes, I do see that in the quoted text you say you're "perhaps still more suspicious of [ Alona ]," but that's pretty weak preference. Can you talk yourself into a flat-out preference?)

[satansaloser2005]

If anyone's not sick of 'that's what she said' jokes, you can get about 5 just out of Formie's post. ;)


I'm worried about Nienna recently because I think the no-vote was a bit of a cop out. Sure, her main suspect has left but there's gotta be someone else she feels suspicious of by now.



EDIT: x'd with Durie and Celibate Man. I was referring of course to his post 977.

[Nienna]

I apologize for being quiet and concise. I'm sorry that it makes me seem 'creepy' but I don't think that posting more often or at greater length is a strength of mine. I am just trying to figure out who the baddies are and lynch them so that we can have a village victory.

[Nienna]

I'm worried about Nienna recently because I think the no-vote was a bit of a cop out. Sure, her main suspect has left but there's gotta be someone else she feels suspicious of by now.

I haven't no voted... :confused:

[Formendacil]

No, no. The first query regarding 'creepy' was to Rikae, and Rikae attempted to explain. I may...I may just say I agree with Rikae's definition.

Ah, mea culpa!

In that case, just substitute my last post to Rikae or the general public instead of Dury. And then lynch Nienna for being the unwitting cause of my embarassment.:p

[satansaloser2005]

I haven't no voted... :confused:

WHOA!

Lol I read Nessa as Nienna. My sincerest apologies, sweetheart.:eek:

[Formendacil]

If anyone's not sick of 'that's what she said' jokes, you can get about 5 just out of Formie's post. ;)

Sally, dear, you're incorrigible, do you realise that?;)

Quite possibly lupine or ursine too, I might add.

[Nienna]

And then lynch Nienna for being the unwitting cause of my embarassment.:p

*is feeling ganged up on* :(:p

[Nienna]

I may...I may just say I agree with Rikae's definition.

*wonders if Rikae ever gave a definition... *

[Rikae]

Heh... well the last time I tried voting in the same direction as you, I botched it completely and went in the opposite direction. I'm also not sure I trust you, though you've been off my radar almost completely toDay. That being said, I'm amenable to voting Alona.

I'm not sure, though, that Alona's death would she more light than Sally's. Obviously, if one is a wolf and the other isn't, then the one who is a wolf is a much better catch, but if we can't tell that now--and I think we can't--then on the chance they could equally be wolves, each death would give us an entirely different set of possible related suspects.

So... if you're more suspicious of Alona, then go for her, but if you're equally suspicious, I'm not sure what the point would be. (And yes, I do see that in the quoted text you say you're "perhaps still more suspicious of [ Alona ]," but that's pretty weak preference. Can you talk yourself into a flat-out preference?)

As I see it, Alona's death will shed light on Sally, Autume and Lommy, while Sally's would really only reflect on Alona. Plus, the Alona-saving issue was the main source of my Sally-suspicion, anyway.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally, dear, you're incorrigible, do you realise that?

Quite possibly lupine or ursine too, I might add.

That's what....oh, why even bother anymore. ;)


K, so I suspect, so it's clear and I don't read/type the wrong name. Again.

Morm
Nessa (for the no-vote, mostly, but I'll have to look at her otherwise too)
Alona (meh, just overall stuff....want to take another look at her as well)
Boro (for asking us to talk so much before and thus setting a precedent):p

Obviously no one's in the clear, but those are my top suspects. :)


EDIT: x'd since the post I quoted

[Nerwen]

?em ssim uoy diD

!ydobyreve ,olleH


This Form suspicion has seemed to come not from nowhere, but definitely almost as a sidetrack from me and Sally.

Right, so... we'll get back to lynching you and Sally then... if that makes you happy?


Um, actually I'm a 23 year old male named David who has a lvl 80 rogue in World of Warcraft and listens to My Chemical Romance.

!gnola lla ti wenk I !ti wenK I

EDIT:X'd since Nienna at #996.

[Rikae]

*wonders if Rikae ever gave a definition... *

I believe I did, although I don't really see the point and think the question itself is a bit suspicious (like you're looking for tips on how to not be suspicious).

[satansaloser2005]

*whines*

Nerweeeeeeeennnnnnnn........

[Nerwen]

......yyyyyllaS

[Formendacil]

As I see it, Alona's death will shed light on Sally, Autume and Lommy, while Sally's would really only reflect on Alona. Plus, the Alona-saving issue was the main source of my Sally-suspicion, anyway.

Fair enough...

On the off chance you don't vote Alona, I'm curious what you'd think of a Morm-waggon, and the consequnces there. Morm's been underactive (for him), and hasn't really stuck to interacting too much with anyone--yourself maybe excluded. I'm not sure I want to vote Morm, but part of me feels vengeful, and he's already accrued one vote, thanks to Sally (who, if Alona is guilty, would not be so evil, apparently)--though I'm also wary of throwing my lot in with with Miss 'saloser2005 right now.

[satansaloser2005]

......yyyyyllaS

And yet, somehow, you're forgiven. Because for some reason I found that hilarious.

[Nienna]

I believe I did, although I don't really see the point and think the question itself is a bit suspicious (like you're looking for tips on how to not be suspicious).

I'm merely trying to figure out how to defend myself to you.

[Rikae]

Fair enough...

On the off chance you don't vote Alona, I'm curious what you'd think of a Morm-waggon, and the consequnces there. Morm's been underactive (for him), and hasn't really stuck to interacting too much with anyone--yourself maybe excluded. I'm not sure I want to vote Morm, but part of me feels vengeful, and he's already accrued one vote, thanks to Sally (who, if Alona is guilty, would not be so evil, apparently)--though I'm also wary of throwing my lot in with with Miss 'saloser2005 right now.

Morm has simply not appeared suspicious to me - I could be wrong, I don't read him that well, but I simply don't see what is fueling the wagon.

[satansaloser2005]

Morm has simply not appeared suspicious to me - I could be wrong, I don't read him that well, but I simply don't see what is fueling the wagon.

Just look at Tum's latest post. Not that you have to agree with her/us but all his posts are there in case you want to look. (I know I'm going to, just in case.)

[Rikae]

Just look at Tum's latest post. Not that you have to agree with her/us but all his posts are there in case you want to look. (I know I'm going to, just in case.)

I did, and I don't even see what she finds suspicious, let alone anything I would find suspicious myself.

[satansaloser2005]

I did, and I don't even see what she finds suspicious, let alone anything I would find suspicious myself.

Fair enough. To each their own, eh?



ETA: By the way, Rikae, there are 1000 posts in the thread (counting this one). We're responsible for over 1/4 of them!:eek:



ETA 2: Happy very belated 2000 posts to me! :D:D