TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them?

[Nienna]

it's because the wolves have a better chance of killing the Bear at Night than the village does of lynching it during the Day. Thus, it's in the Bear's best interests to pick off the wolves first

Mmmk. That definitely makes more sense now. Thanks.

[Macalaure]

We are so doomed now. :rolleyes:

While I stayed away from Pitchwife yesterDay, too, it was phantom who was defending him, and in a way that looks like he guessed that Pitch was gifted. At the same time, as Rikae mentioned, he didn't do the obvious, which would be to urge Hakon's lynching to save Pitch. I'd really like to learn more about tp's thoughts yesterDay.

Lari killed by wolves: classic kill - she looked innocent to most and probably wasn't after any wolf in any serious way (note to self: check who might look better because of this).

Hakon killed by shapeshifter: interesting. Even though near the deadline most people seemed to think he was innocent, and this notion would probably be the common understanding toDay, Hakon caused plenty of confusion and smoke, and promised to continue to do so. Usually, a baddie wouldn't kill such a villager, unless Hakon was after something (if he was, then we have a really nervous and unexperienced bear - nobody was listening to Hakon anyway, just let him live and eventually change his mind), or, as morm said, the bear thought he was a wolf (note to self: who, judging from the posts, could actually have gotten that idea, because I doubt this scenario) or we have a bear who simply enjoys being unpredictable (note to self: check who could be candidates for that).

(another note to self: don't forget to analyse voting)

I think (please correct me if I'm wrong) it's because the wolves have a better chance of killing the Bear at Night than the village does of lynching it during the Day.The chances are almost exactly equal. I don't think this direction gets us anywhere.

[Rikae]

Bear would not necessarily go after wolves. Silly to treat it as certainty that bear suspected Hakon as wolf. Artificially cuts down suspect list.

Mira, I was joking.

Agree with morm on lynching phantom. No seer to figure out his role. Lynching me would be a waste - you'll want me around later.

[Inziladun]

Pitchwife, I don't think, would have been lynched yesterDay were it not for his admittedly suspicious vote retraction, that by his own words he did so as to avoid suspicion. I was seriously thinking of retracting myself and voting for him, but for some reason I couldn't do it. I feel confident at least one baddie is to be found among the Pitchwife voters, and probably the Hakon bandwagon too.

Here's how voting went on Day 1.

Rikae-voted herself for reasons unknown. (Rikae 1)

Formendacil- voted Mira for being annoying. (Mira 1)

Mormegil- voted Hakon for his pregame tp banter, I believe. He then retracted and locked it in again for Hakon, when the latter asked him to retract. (Hakon 1)

Alon- voted Hakon 'for the same reasons as Morm' did; said Hakon might be a Cobbler. (Hakon 2)

Sally- voted Hakon, initially giving no reason. She then retracted and locked it in again for him, saying she would 'think clearer' when he was gone.
(Hakon 3)

Brinn- voted Morm, apparently beacuse she really wanted to vote the soon to be modfired Fea, but thought we'd hold it against her.
(Morm 1)

Tum- voted Hakon w/ no explanation. (Hakon 4)

Rikae- retracted her self-vote. (Rikae 0)

Form- retracted his vote for Mira (Mira 0)

Shasta- first vote for Pitchwife, reason was he didn't like the latter's first post. Shasta also said he had 'no idea' when the DL was.
(Pitchwife 1)

Mac-voted Alon for 'no substance' and fueling the flames on Hakon. (Alon 1)

Durelin-voted Nessa because her posts seemed 'forced' and 'weird'.
(Nessa 1)

Pitchwife-voted Alon for same reasons as Mac. (Alon 2)

Me- I voted for Rikae because I saw her flip-flopping about the Fea-voting idea, and her insistence on using the surveys. She now claims that was a deliberate trap to snare baddies. (Rikae 1)

Pitchwife-retracted vote for Alon and voted Sally for reasons stated above. (Sally 1)

Rikae-voted Pitchwife on a 'gut feeling'. (Pitchwife 2)

Nessa-voted for Rikae because of her 'jumping down everyone's throats'. Rikae then threatened to come after her toDay. (Rikae 2)

Nienna-voted Pitchwife because of the shifty-looking retraction.
(Pitchwife 3)

Form-voted Nessa because he 'would rather be wrong about Rikae than wrong about Pitchwife'. (Nessa 2)

Lari-voted for Me on a 'feeling'. (Me 1)

Hakon-voted Pitchwife to save himself. (Pitchwife 4)

Mac-retracted vote for Alon, then voted me on a 'gut feeling' (those 'gut feelings' seemed to have been catching). (Me 2)

phantom-voted Rikae for no reason given. (Rikae 3)

tum-retracted for Hakon and voted for Pitchwife, sealing the fate of our Seer.

x/d with many

[mormegil]

Bear would not necessarily go after wolves. Silly to treat it as certainty that bear suspected Hakon as wolf. Artificially cuts down suspect list.


Right, make no assumptions and don't narrow lists down artificially. Sorry the only other way to narrow down the list is to look at who is alive from one day to the next. Take my thoughts or not I don't really care but I will state what I am thinking, it may be useful to some. I, unlike you it would seem, need to narrow the list down to a mangegable size and think of most likely scenarios given teh evidence we have up to this point. Did not Aragorn and the hunters do the same with the puzzle of Merry and Pippin, they were fairly close but not 100%.

Of course the bear might not go for wolves but it would make the most sense for him to do so, don't you think? Who poses the greatest threat to him? Wouldn't he love it to have killed all but 1 wolf so they still get 2 kills and then as the list narrows kill the final off? It would make the most sense to me to eliminate most rivals now while the list is still big.

At this point my main suspect is Rikae actually. Something isn't sitting right with me on her.

[Mirandir]

#124
Says has to be off to work, but says phantom's proposal to the Bear to side with the village against the wolves might work for a while, but not forever.

#230
Back and reading.

#291
Doesn't suspect Hakon.
Thinks Mac is reasonable.
Feels morm overreacted with vote for Hakon.
Finds Nerwen amusing but difficult to read.
Says Rikae is talking sense, but prolonging discussion she herself claimed was useless.

#313
Thinks Hakon-waggon is suspicion, ponders one wolf being among voters.
Liked phantom's idea of lynching Fea to avoid killing a gifted. Wonders how Fea-vote would leave less of a trail than a no-vote.

#325
Answers own question - no-votes need to be explained the next day, Fea-voters can say they did it because phantom suggested it.
Responds to Rikae - doesn't think she is the bear, suggests might be a wolf that doesn't want the bear turning on the wolves or an innocent who disagrees with phantom. Probably the latter.

#333
List! In alphabetical order!
Brinn - most of what she said sounds good
Inzil - same as Brinn, has good point about body count
morm - still doesn't like his vote for Hakon, but other than that makes good points
Rikae - "better after end of bear discussion"
the phantom - "makes controversial suggestions and backs them up, I like that. I can understand why some people would find his ideas suspicious, but at least he's been starting discussions and given us something to chew - which, I suspect, was his purpose making those suggestions in the first place."

#339
List! Continued!
alona - nothing conclusive, hiding behind morm
autumne - little to go on
Form - nothing to add to Lari's points
Mira - absent since the morning
Nessa - nothing conclusive, but made effort early on
sally - looked good until locked in vote for Hakon
Shasta - needs to come back

Responds to Rikae's comment about people making sense being evil and offers to stop making sense.

#345
Response to Rikae's questions (feelings on phantom and newbies):
phantom - essentially go with it and hope for the best
Hakon - no strong feelings
alona and autumne - also no strong feelings
Nessa - nothing strong, but has most cunning of the four

Says doesn't fear Rikae.

#356
Responds to Hakon's question about Nessa's cunning

#393
Ponders Hakon-waggon voters but doesn't draw any conclusions

#404
Agrees with Form to keep morm, Rikae, and tp around a while longer. Suspects morm and sally somewhat but doesn't have enough to go on. Irked by Rikae's suspicion him. Left with alona and autumne but doesn't want to vote either.

#416
Votes alona, but autumne is a close second

#425
Retracts vote for alona and votes for sally

~~~~~

The conclusion that I have drawn is that he probably dreamed of either the phantom or Hakon, in that order. I would think that his second dream would be of morm. His interactions with Rikae could stand to be looked at closer, since there was a good deal of them, but that could just be because Rikae found him suspicious and he was defending himself.

EDIT: Left out a key point here. I think Pitch dreamed of phantom and discovered that he was the Ranger or Hunter and they were able to talk at Night. Elaboration to come if wanted.

[Macalaure]

I was seriously thinking of retracting myself and voting for him, but for some reason I couldn't do it. I feel confident at least one baddie is to be found among the Pitchwife voters, and probably the Hakon bandwagon too.

I'm not saying that I don't think so, but why are you so confident about finding a wolf in Pitch's waggon? That statement comes from nowhere, and considering that you admit you might've voted Pitch, too, is a rather interesting leap.

morm, who other than autume and Rikae is in your narrowed-down list and why?

[Rikae]

Inzil, a few things:

1) you seem to contradict yourself in your intro. If you really almost voted Pitchwife yourself and think he was suspicious, why do you assume there was wolvery among his voters? I mean, statistically, there's a good chance there was, but that assumption just doesn't follow.

- I don't "now" claim that it was a trap - I claimed it right after your vote, and the hint that it was is plain for all to see in the posts advocating Fea-voting. Your summery is misleading, and even more so:

3) when you claim that I voted Pitchwife on a "gut feeling" when I had made earlier posts arguing against him - yes, with points - and was, in fact, the first to do so. A gut feeling was what made me choose Pitchwife over other possible suspects, but I certainly had reasons, and you try to paint it as though I didn't.

[Mirandir]

Mira, I was joking.


So I totally missed that post the first time around when you made the original statement and though the :p you added later was for another post and...yeah. I need to read more carefully. :rolleyes:

[Macalaure]

Mira just did something she shouldn't have done. :rolleyes:

[Rikae]

Of course the bear might not go for wolves but it would make the most sense for him to do so, don't you think? Who poses the greatest threat to him? Wouldn't he love it to have killed all but 1 wolf so they still get 2 kills and then as the list narrows kill the final off? It would make the most sense to me to eliminate most rivals now while the list is still big. .
I really would not like to spell out why he wouldn't necessarily choose to hunt wolves, since, as phantom points out, it's better if he does, but:
if there is only one wolf left alive and we lynch it, the bear is on his own in picking us off one by one - not necessarily desirable early on. Maybe it's not ideal bear strategy, but my way of thinking worked for me when I was a bear (yeah, and now someone will accuse me of giving tips to the bear, won't they? A fine corner you backed me into, morm).


At this point my main suspect is Rikae actually. Something isn't sitting right with me on her.
Just don't shoot me. They say it is a capital offense.

[mormegil]

Mac, the only other one who is pinging the radar is Sally. Yesterday and today she seems confident, it's not the right word but almost smug. Confidence isn't gained by being ordo or gifted.

[Mirandir]

Mira just did something she shouldn't have done. :rolleyes:

And what would that be, pray tell, oh mighty Bubbles?

[Inziladun]

I'm not saying that I don't think so, but why are you so confident about finding a wolf in Pitch's waggon? That statement comes from nowhere, and considering that you admit you might've voted Pitch, too, is a rather interesting leap.

So considering voting someone is the same as actually doing it? :confused:
To expound, Nienna's vote at least looked fairly innocent. The ones who look bad to me are Shasta, who started the push against Pitchwife for what looked to be a flimsy reason, Rikae, who picked it up and ran with it before Pitchwife fumbled his vote, and tum, who despite her explantion, I'll have to examine more closely.

[mormegil]

Rikae, think about it for the strategy to not work the bear would need to be incredibly successful. Hunting wolves at night wouldn't be easy so logically he would start as early as possible.

Maybe it's not ideal bear strategy, but my way of thinking worked for me when I was a bear (yeah, and now someone will accuse me of giving tips to the bear, won't they? A fine corner you backed me into, morm).

What corner? I didn't do any such thing, but it does allow you to play the victim role by saying. Well done, nice move really but I've seen it before and am ready for it.

[mormegil]

Good night for the time being.

[Macalaure]

And what would that be, pray tell, oh mighty Bubbles?
Enemy is reading, too. :x

So considering voting someone is the same as actually doing it?
Of course not, but since you considered it, you obviously thought that the reasons his voters had were mostly valid, so why should they, from your perspective, be evil?

[Inziladun]

Inzil1) you seem to contradict yourself in your intro. If you really almost voted Pitchwife yourself and think he was suspicious, why do you assume there was wolvery among his voters? I mean, statistically, there's a good chance there was, but that assumption just doesn't follow..

See above.

I don't "now" claim that it was a trap - I claimed it right after your vote, and the hint that it was is plain for all to see in the posts advocating Fea-voting. Your summery is misleading, and even more so:
.

Aren't you nit-picking a bit? 'Now claims' meant after I voted for you. Was it that much of a reach to understand?

3) when you claim that I voted Pitchwife on a "gut feeling" when I had made earlier posts arguing against him - yes, with points - and was, in fact, the first to do so. A gut feeling was what made me choose Pitchwife over other possible suspects, but I certainly had reasons, and you try to paint it as though I didn't.

I don't recall you voicing serious suspicions of Pitchwife before [B]Shasta[/B ] voted for him, beyond saying he was 'uncontroversial' and that made you uneasy.

[Rikae]

What corner? I didn't do any such thing, but it does allow you to play the victim role by saying. Well done, nice move really but I've seen it before and am ready for it.

You asked me a question I could not honestly answer without doing something phantom called me suspicious for yesterDay.
Victim role, well, I'll be totally honest - I get the impression I'm being set up. Framed. In fact, I'm so irritated I'd better not post for a while.

[Inziladun]

Of course not, but since you considered it, you obviously thought that the reasons his voters had were mostly valid, so why should they, from your perspective, be evil?

MY consideration of voting for him was based entirely on his vote retraction and the reason for it he gave. Those who voted for him before that I find suspicious, in that I saw nothing to merit a vote for him at that time. Obviously tum should also be scrutinized for being the deciding factor.

[Rikae]

Aren't you nit-picking a bit? 'Now claims' meant after I voted for you. Was it that much of a reach to understand?
Why do you need to take such an insulting tone?
It is not a reach for me to understand. Your wording was misleading, so I corrected it, before someone could latch onto it and use it to build the bandwagon against me.

I don't recall you voicing serious suspicions of Pitchwife before [b]Shasta[/B ] voted for him, beyond saying he was 'uncontroversial' and that made you uneasy.
Those were serious suspicions. I consider being uncontroversial and cautious one of the most wolvish things a person can do. Such players turn out to be wolves far more often than loose cannons like Hakon do.

[Mirandir]

Enemy is reading, too. :x

Ugh that occurred to me in the shower, and believe me, I am bashing my head against the wall like it's my job. Which would probably be better than my actual job which will take me away for most of tomorrow again. Ugh.

On to Hakon-analysis!

[Inziladun]

Why do you need to take such an insulting tone?
It is not a reach for me to understand. Your wording was misleading, so I corrected it, before someone could latch onto it and use it to build the bandwagon against me..

I could have worded it better. I should have said: 'Was it not clear enough what I meant'?

My apology if you found it too caustic.

Those were serious suspicions. I consider being uncontroversial and cautious one of the most wolvish things a person can do. Such players turn out to be wolves far more often than loose cannons like Hakon do.

All right.

[Rikae]

That's ok.

[Boromir88]

Ugh that occurred to me in the shower, and believe me, I am bashing my head against the wall like it's my job. Which would probably be better than my actual job which will take me away for most of tomorrow again. Ugh.


Ah which reminds me I should probably make some form of official mod-ruling here.

Unless I missed someone, Lommy, Mira and Nerwen did not vote yesterday.

Lommy warned me well in advance about not being able to participate much in the first couple days. Plus she is with family and 'Downer guests, which I believe to be more important than checking into a game. So, her missed vote will not count towards the mod-fire rule.

Mira did give proper warning about business and possibly not being able to vote. Yet she did not make use of the ++No Vote rule that I put up in place, mostly for those reasons. So, Mira, if you do not vote today, you will be mod-fired. This is negotiable, but outside of spontaneously imploding, having your computer blow up, or some other serious reason, I doubt I'll change my mind.

Nerwen, has a habit of missing Day 1, but still with no reason provided as to why, the same will go for her. No vote today you'll be mod-fired. (Again this is negotiable, but again it will be difficult to change my mind).

If you care to hear why I am such a heavy stickler on voting, I can explain, but I doubt anyone wants to hear a Moderators grumbling about missing votes. :)

[alonariel]

I feel confident at least one baddie is to be found among the Pitchwife voters, and probably the Hakon bandwagon too.

I think we gave the wolves too much on Day 1 - an inundation of posts and then a lot of seemingly innocent-on-innocent voting/disagreements. I'm sure the wolves jumped on the bandwaggons - either doing it skillfully enough so as not to draw suspicion, or deciding to simply tack on their vote near the end of the Day. Either way, we're royally screwed if we don't start sniffing them out. :(

Formendacil- voted Mira for being annoying. (Mira 1)

Grrr to Form. Mira has a special brand of humor - it's rare and awesome.

Alona- voted Hakon 'for the same reasons as Morm' did; said Hakon might be a Cobbler. (Hakon 2)

I voted Hakon mostly on the suspicion that he was abusing his newbie status, though I can see how the error of my ways. Unfortunately, it's a mistake both Rikae and I made, albeit with different people.

Brinn- voted Morm, apparently beacuse she really wanted to vote the soon to be modfired Fea, but thought we'd hold it against her. (Morm 1)

Was she worried we might think something amiss with her if she voted for Fea? It doesn't seem the same panick Pitchwife experienced after he retracted his vote for me, only handled in a more deft way. I would've voted Fea if it meant saving either Lari, Pitchwife or Hakon.

Durelin-voted Nessa because her posts seemed 'forced' and 'weird'. (Nessa 1)

She was rather sneaky last game. One to watch, I think.

Me- I voted for Rikae because I saw her flip-flopping about the Fea-voting idea, and her insistence on using the surveys. She now claims that was a deliberate trap to snare baddies. (Rikae 1)

Good! I won't pretend that I have even the vaguest idea of how to set a trap, but the more the better.

That's all I have for now. I'm home for the night, and tomorrow's the weekend for me, so if anyone's still on, please post away!

[Nerwen]

!ydobyreve olleH

Nerwen, has a habit of missing Day 1, but still with no reason provided as to why, the same will go for her. No vote today you'll be mod-fired. (Again this is negotiable, but again it will be difficult to change my mind).

Sorry, I'll be sure to vote toDay.

EDIT: X'd with Alona.

[Mirandir]

For the sake of my own sanity, I'm going to skip the meaningless banter posts from the first few pages.

#20
Wants to know why morm said lynch phantom first in the admin thread.

#25
Actually attempts analysis on Day 1. :eek:

#35
Agrees with phantom's points (bear kill wolves, gifteds leave clues, psuedo-deadline)
thinks phantom is probably gifted

#132
Contemplates importance of the surveys

#137
Reeeally wants to look at surveys.

*insert lots of posts about the surveys and bantering with Rikae and a case of mistaken identity here*

Really started getting on a lot of people's nerves (especially Rikae's) with the whole survey business. Could he have been distracting from something else? Such as a slip he had made previously that I missed? Maybe.

/end mini-analysis

#170
"I still think the bear can kill at least one person we are suspicious of."
Thinks the bear will help the village

*insert morm vote for Hakon*

#178
Admits is very arrogant. What can he hope to gain from this, Mira wonders. Still thinks the village can convince the bear to do its bidding.

*insert Rikae getting really annoyed and threatening to vote Hakon out of sheer irritation*

#182
"If we figure out who the bear is, the bear will either end up lynched or a wolf will kill it. So if we figure it out then during the night phase the bear can kill a possible cobbler or wolf since the second the next day phase starts the bear will most likely by lynched or the bear will die int he night phase because a wolf kills it."
Makes what I (and apparently Nerwen) think is a completely useless statement.

#184
Still harping on the bear.

#189
Says this topic is causing an unnecessary argument and we should focus on the wolves.

*insert morm retracting vote for Hakon and locking in vote for Hakon*

*insert somehow getting back on the topic of surveys which I thought we had already dealt with*

#237
"For players I trust I think I had said Mac and Shasta. For players I distrust I think I had said Nessa and Inziladun."

#263
Thinks Rikae's optimism about lynching a wolf Day 1 is because it happened in the past 2 games.

#268
Feels people need to vote Fea or Hakon will die.

#273
Responds to Rikae's analysis of mod-choosing of the roles about trusting and not trusting certain people and the likelihood of having feared or distrusted people as the seer.
"As for the wolves one is probably a feared, one is a distrusted person and the final one a trusted person."

*insert sally not wanting to discuss surveys*

*insert Rikae saying Hakon is a safe vote, easy lynch, and probably innocent*

#278
Doesn't like morm's vote for him. Cites last game as reason why he shouldn't by lynched.

#288
Agrees with Brinn that morm voted Hakon because of Hakon's comment about morm fearing phantom.

#296
Likes the idea of voting Fea.

#303
Wants Rikae to take Inzil off her suspicious list on the grounds that he has been around and contributing unlike some other people. If he wasn't a known ordo I would suggest he was trying to protect a fellow wolf.

Boro, when the cobbler is killed is his role revealed as such or as an ordo?

#315
Suspicion list:
1. morm - nothing but a gut feeling
2. sally - might be cobbler
3. phantom - "He actually seems very innocent it just that he is very active and suggesting good ideas. In in my opinion that is the best way to hide being a wolf."
4. Rikae - might be bear

#322
Thinks the bear is someone who talked about the bear a lot, such as Rikae.

#350
Would like to know why Pitchwife finds Nessa the most cunning of the newbies.

#387
Doesn't like autumne's wagon-vote for him.

#394
Thinks Shasta makes a good point about Pitchwife

#463
Votes Pitchwife to save himself.

~~~~~

The one solid connection I've found between the two dead that I've analyzed so far is that Rikae had a lot of interaction with both of them. This could be nothing or she could be evil. Hakon thought she might be the bear, but I seriously doubt that a Rikaebear would make such an obvious kill choice. The bear is probably someone who was annoyed by Hakon and his speculation about the bear role (or in general).

[alonariel]

!ydobyreve olleH

GAH!

*ahem*

Hello, Nerwen!

[alonariel]

The one solid connection I've found between the two dead that I've analyzed so far is that Rikae had a lot of interaction with both of them. This could be nothing or she could be evil. Hakon thought she might be the bear, but I seriously doubt that a Rikaebear would make such an obvious kill choice. The bear is probably someone who was annoyed by Hakon and his speculation about the bear role (or in general).

Or someone wants to frame Rikae...and then that begs the question, which players would be at an advantage if she were gone?

[Mirandir]

Grrr to Form. Mira has a special brand of humor - it's rare and awesome.

Awww <3 you! :D I don't blame Form though; he was having a rough day on top of hating Day 1 already. He did retract though, so I is not mad.

Or someone wants to frame Rikae...and then that begs the question, which players would be at an advantage if she were gone?

Well, that would depend on if she's evil or not, now wouldn't it? :p

Okay, I'm off to do my analysis of Lari's posts now. Let's all take note that Mira is actually doing semi-decent contributions. Keep that in mind while I'm at work tomorrow afternoon. ^_^

[alonariel]

Awww <3 you! :D I don't blame Form though; he was having a rough day on top of hating Day 1 already. He did retract though, so I is not mad.

:)

Well, that would depend on if she's evil or not, now wouldn't it?

Okay, I'm off to do my analysis of Lari's posts now. Let's all take note that Mira is actually doing semi-decent contributions. Keep that in mind while I'm at work tomorrow afternoon.

Very true. And you're doing a really great job, Mira. Like doing what I should be doing since I have so much time this weekend!

[Nerwen]

Right, make no assumptions and don't narrow lists down artificially. Sorry the only other way to narrow down the list is to look at who is alive from one day to the next. Take my thoughts or not I don't really care but I will state what I am thinking, it may be useful to some. I, unlike you it would seem, need to narrow the list down to a mangegable size and think of most likely scenarios given teh evidence we have up to this point. Did not Aragorn and the hunters do the same with the puzzle of Merry and Pippin, they were fairly close but not 100%.

Of course the bear might not go for wolves but it would make the most sense for him to do so, don't you think? Who poses the greatest threat to him? Wouldn't he love it to have killed all but 1 wolf so they still get 2 kills and then as the list narrows kill the final off? It would make the most sense to me to eliminate most rivals now while the list is still big.

But Morm, you weren't just making a working assumption– you actually said:

Anyway, since the bear killed Hakon it's obvious he/she thought him to be a wolf.

Which is more than just narrowing down the possibilities, surely?

And in fact I can think of three other reasons off the top of my head:

1. The bear thought Hakon a newbie-gifted (erratic behaviour, nervousness).
2. The bear thought he was the cobbler (sidetracking the village with pointless speculation).
3. The bear thought Hakon had spotted him. Anyone else notice this?–

#35.
I agree with all of that. Well people I am off now. I have a new suspect, but not for a wolf.

EDIT:X'd with Alona at #529.

[alonariel]

3. The bear thought Hakon had spotted him. Anyone else notice this?

Possible...and I have another (newbie) question. Are we allowed to arrange our deaths in a manner that would leave clues for the good guys to figure out who killed us?

I hope I worded that right...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Left out a key point here. I think Pitch dreamed of phantom and discovered that he was the Ranger or Hunter and they were able to talk at Night. Elaboration to come if wanted.

Definitely not wanted. What does an innocent morm gain from saying this? Hint - it's "nothing".

[Mirandir]

Mira is being super productive tonight! Yay! :p

Like with Hakon, I'm going to leave out the pointless bantering posts from the first few pages.

#37
Likes phantom's ideas (bear help village kill wolves, gifteds leave clues, pseudo-deadline)

#215
Agrees with Hakon that the surveys might help, but should not be discussed openly.
Responds to some other stuff Hakon says regarding the bear. Says trusts bear like a wolf.

#228
More speculation about the surveys.
"I'm of the mind that one of the people we trusted most is a gifted, another is a wolf, and possibly a third is the bear."

#294
Doesn't like voting for Fea because won't be able to analyze the votes toMorrow

#332
List! (edited by Mira for importance)
Hakon - "Comes up with ideas and people jump down his throat. But some of the ideas are cheating as we have been told. Seems like a Day 1 lynch canidate because of this."
Mac - giving her bad feelings but doesn't know why
Rikae - seems innocent enough
sally - "Claims to be innocent. And keeps her Hakon votes. I’m leaning towards believing her if only because she is not looking like wolf!Sally."
phantom - essentially is phantom

#335
Responds to Rikae's question about feelings on newbies
alona - trying hard and has well thought-out ideas
Hakon - getting on people's nerves
Nessa - can be sneaky, but doesn't think is a wolf
Tum - who knows?

*insert mini-debate with Nerwen about if Hakon is going to die*

*insert lots of vote tallies by Lari*

#452
Votes Zil
"Zil hasn't been sounding so good since I last did my list. Its just a feeling I get from his posts. And since Mac's vote made him look more innocent to me I guess I'm going to vote for [Zil]"

~~~~~~

I have no idea what to draw from this, except maybe that the wolves thought she would be a trail-less kill. There wasn't any major controversy that might have led to a kill out of spite, so there's not really anyone to eliminate from the suspect list of who killed her. Chances are it was someone that she listed as probably being innocent. So might be phantom, Rikae, or Nessa. Following that logic, Mac is probably not a wolf.

[Nerwen]

Possible...and I have another (newbie) question. Are we allowed to arrange our deaths in a manner that would leave clues for the good guys to figure out who killed us?

Sorry, I don't understand.

Definitely not wanted. What does an innocent morm gain from saying this? Hint - it's "nothing".

That was Mira, not morm ...and I've been wondering whether to draw attention to it or not. Mac saw it earlier and was trying to shut her up.

EDIT:X'd with Mira.

[Nerwen]

I have some more to say, but no time to say it right now. Back later.

!eybdooG

EDIT:removed extra E.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

You're right, it was Mira. Sorry morm.

Also, one too many e's, newreN.

[alonariel]

Sorry, I don't understand.

I mean that, if an innocent is killed, are they able to choose the details of their death and leave hints in their death as to the player they think night-killed/lynched them?

EDIT: If this could be considered cheating, I will shut up now and never re-hatch the subject again.

[Mirandir]

Very true. And you're doing a really great job, Mira. Like doing what I should be doing since I have so much time this weekend!

Thanks! I knew there was a reason I liked you. :D


3. The bear thought Hakon had spotted him. Anyone else notice this?–


That would make the most sense, although could be considered a sloppy move. An experienced bear (or wolf, for that matter) wouldn't get jumpy at the first sign of being spotted. It is entirely plausible that a newbie bear would see possibly being spotted as more of a threat than it was and jump to make the kill before anything could come of it.

If my memory serves (and it probably doesn't), the only one that Hakon stated a clear bear suspicion of was Rikae.

Possible...and I have another (newbie) question. Are we allowed to arrange our deaths in a manner that would leave clues for the good guys to figure out who killed us?

I hope I worded that right...

We don't have any say in how the narrations are done, so no. That's completely up to Boro and wilwa, although they might be so kind as to accept a suggestion as to the manner of death if you ask really nicely. :p

[the phantom]

Finally here. I haven't read a word of the posts today. I am starting to read right now, and will respond as I go. For now- these are my thoughts.

Frankly I was hoping to be offed during the night and be done with this.

I said yesterday that throwing late votes on someone who couldn't defend himself properly was a perfect way to lynch a Gifted. Even earlier in the day I said that we should set an artificial deadline to avoid lynching gifteds. The idea was totally pooh-poohed.

When people suspected me for suggesting Fea as an option, I said "Why? At least we wouldn't off a gifted that way."

And finally Pitch I believe was the only person yesterday that I specifically said "hasn't been suspicious".

So yeah, um... I so badly want to say this certain phrase to everyone.... I'm trying to resist...

*grits teeth*

[alonariel]

That would make the most sense, although could be considered a sloppy move. An experienced bear (or wolf, for that matter) wouldn't get jumpy at the first sign of being spotted. It is entirely plausible that a newbie bear would see possibly being spotted as more of a threat than it was and jump to make the kill before anything could come of it.

If my memory serves (and it probably doesn't), the only one that Hakon stated a clear bear suspicion of was Rikae.

I'm inclined to agree that the bear in this game might be a newbie. Though I did vote for Hakon, I honestly didn't think him any more dangerous than the cobbler. I didn't have any suspicion as to who the wolves and/or bear was at the time, so that seemed like the best way to go (unfortunately).

It would make sense that the bear would keep around the wolves in an attempt to off a few ordos/gifteds, but then that does somewhat increase his/her chance of being night-killed... One thing I can be sure of, based on the bear's description in the Admin thread: s/he is looking out for Number #1 and no one else.

[satansaloser2005]

Back, but have a headache (again, dang it) so hopefully I won't be up much longer.


I feel rather dumb; I said yesterDay that if I needed to be lynched in order to save a gifted, so be it, so it should have tipped me off when Pitch voted me. I'm sure that wasn't really his reason (although I can't think what it might have been, since as I discussed earlier it didn't help him out votewise to throw one away on me) but I found it ironic.

In other news, I was going to suggest leaving Pitch for toDay since the suspicion of him jumped up so close to DL but I got kicked off the Downs (Boro can vouch, because I was on IM with him screaming to let me back on lol). Too late now, but I want my sentiment known.


Back again in a bit. Going to check out the weather, since it was storming on my way home a bit ago. Phantom, Tum, how's the weather for you? Anything pretty?

EDIT: x'd since Phantom

[Mirandir]

It would make sense that the bear would keep around the wolves in an attempt to off a few ordos/gifteds, but then that does somewhat increase his/her chance of being night-killed... One thing I can be sure of, based on the bear's description in the Admin thread: s/he is looking out for Number #1 and no one else.

I agree, but looking out for Number 1 can mean keeping around the ones that will serve you the best for as long as possible.

All righty, I am falling asleep here and am going to go ahead and vote now on the off chance that I don't make it back for deadline (I'm fairly certain I'll be around) since I certainly don't want to get modfired.

++Rikae

I'll probably end up retracting, since the more I think about it the less I think she's evil, but I need a placeholder for the time being. Goodnight!

[the phantom]

but because phantom once more made me look like a fool - this time by saying things, close to the deadline, that suggest he had Pitchwife figured for a likely gifted (I mean the bit about the flow going against him when he couldn't return, etc.)
I did not suspect Pitch was gifted necessarily- I just thought he wasn't guilty. I've never played with him and he didn't look jumpy or nervous to me at all. But then you've played with him before and say that he was, so I'll just have to believe you on that point.

My gripe about voting for him was that the votes were conveniently coming when he was absent, and so if he was a Gifted he had no chance to save himself. When I've been a baddie in the past that's exactly what I like to do if someone looks gifted- you wait for them to be gone and then make your move (like with Noggie in Shasta's game). I had made that point about not starting a late charge earlier in the game and I was angry that people were doing exactly what I had not advised them to do.

Doing that generally is disasterous. But anyway....
if he thought he was gifted, why didn't he save him when he could? Why make comments, and a throwaway vote, seemingly designed to make himself look good without saving Pitch?
Firstly, he didn't look gifted to me.

Second, my vote wasn't a throwaway. I brought you to within one of his total and there was still a definite chance you could've died instead. If Tum would've gone with you possibly Pitch would still be alive. And there were still retractions out there. And if I could've voted earlier and put feelers out for others who wanted to off you, I would've.

As far as why I didn't vote Hakon, I didn't really think he was guilty either. I believe I defended him on a couple of issues more than once yesterday. You were the one I was most curious about and I had a legit chance of lynching you.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that at the time I also didn't know precisely what the count was even. I believe I did not have one Pitch vote and Mac's vote for Inzil figured in. I was in a late meeting and I couldn't give much attention to my laptop.

So, clear?
phantom-voted Rikae for no reason given.
I gave my reasons earlier in the day, laddie.

[satansaloser2005]

Normally I'd not bother, but this is misrepresentation. I know Dun didn't mean any harm, but I wanna clear it up anyway.

Sally- voted Hakon, initially giving no reason. She then retracted and locked it in again for him, saying she would 'think clearer' when he was gone.
(Hakon 3)

I gave reasons earlier in the Day. Basically (to recap and also add, which I also tried to do at the end of the Day when the Downs died for me) I didn't like how he was starting/supporting side discussions, being overly defensive in my opinion, and generally giving off bad vibes to me. Basically a typical Day One vote, but at the time I felt pretty decent about it. (Obviously now I'm not as pleased with myself, since he wasn't a baddie, but it's the thought that counts.)


Didn't mean to side track, but I noticed that and wanted to clear it up for Dun's benefit.


I think I need to go to bed. You've got me for....twenty more minutes or so.

[satansaloser2005]

So I get here and everyone clams up. Bloody typical.

I'll be in my bunk.

(I'll be sleeping in quite late, if all goes to plan, and then I'm going to pop by to see my mother, so I'll be gone for a while but I will return in plenty of time to catch up, chat a bit, and of course vote.)

[the phantom]

Mira- I agree with your analysis on page 13 that I was Pitch's most likely dream. He was smart and didn't make it obvious (the Seer should almost never hint at his first dream strongly), but he appeared to be setting himself up to side with me later. He stated that he liked what I was doing, and that he was scared of me coming into the game (making me a logical 1st dream). He also mentioned that he agreed that you should just go with Phantom and hope for the best.

I expect today he would have worded things more strongly.
Left out a key point here. I think Pitch dreamed of phantom and discovered that he was the Ranger or Hunter and they were able to talk at Night. Elaboration to come if wanted.
Um... okay... Not sure why you would even say that, for a host of reasons.

*frowns and scratches head*

[Formendacil]

Okay...

So.

We killed our Seer. That's just lovely. Well, what can we learn from this?

*blinks*

That is a LOT of Day 1 to look at. Even cutting out the extraneous half dozen pages of mere banter, a lot of serious and interesting discussion took place, and the vote-record is, I'm thinking, possibly richer than usual for potential analysis.

Just a few thoughts for now--it's already tomorrow in my timezone.

First of all... Rikae has suggested lynching the phantom. I'm of two minds on this... First of all, not knowing the phantom's role, I tend to be extremely wary of him, so lynching him just to be clear of things has a really nice ring to it--and Rikae makes a plausible case, at least, about his failing to save Pitchwife, though clearly thinking him innocent.

On the other hand... normally I find myself alone in wanting the whole phantom question to solve itself and go away. So... I'm a bit leery. To her credit, Rikae is an old hand at this, and capable of being sensible, so it's not a surprise at all that, if someone else is going to get the anti-phantom bug, it'd be someone like her. Morm is also an old hand of that sort, and he, too, seems somewhat convinced.

So I'm spooked... normally I'm alone in seeing sense--or nonsense--where the phantom is concerned.

A second thought regards the kills... not much of a thought really... namely that we know the bear killed Hakon and the wolves killed Lari. Okay, so that's not exactly a revelation, but it's after midnight in my world (yes... I know... I have a touch of a cold even yet and should be abed....) and I'm trying to reason this through. Basically, it follows from this that, if we are able to figure out who was responsible for a particular kill, we'll be able to figure out if that's a Wolf or a Bear. And... that's as far as I got.

(Real Life Note: I'm at my parents now, for the weekend, for my Dad's 50th birthday party/extended family get-together. This may or may not affect my participation. Insofar as my family isn't all that stupendous, I expect I'll be online enough to contribute, but no promises... I did, after all, bring beer.

[satansaloser2005]

Braving the pain for a moment, I'd like to leave you something to think about.

Why would the bear kill Hakon, when (as I pointed out earlier) a few people, myself included, thought he could be the bear? If it was me I'd love to leave someone around who looked suspicious (which is I think why I don't get Night killed most of the time) so attention would be drawn away from myself. So what in the name of Joss Whedon (♥) was the bear thinking? Was it random? Did they, as someone's pointed out recently, think that Hakon had perhaps picked them out? Did they fancy him for the seer? Was it just to mess with our heads?


Discuss lots while I'm gone. I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

And with that, sorry I can't be more help at present but I have to go. Night!


ETA: And if Mira (or someone else for that matter) analyzed me while I was gone I'd be giddy! :D

[the phantom]

Some of you make me laugh. Let's see if I can sum up the situation.

"Phantom made suggestions that would benefit the innocents from the very beginning, tried to avert voting disaster with his advice and vote, was right about Pitch, was right to defend Hakon, and he's the likliest dream choice from the Seer. So... let's lynch him!"

If anyone who isn't a baddie votes for me today, Candor Man will ridicule you until the end of time.

[Nerwen]

I mean that, if an innocent is killed, are they able to choose the details of their death and leave hints in their death as to the player they think night-killed/lynched them?

No, they're not.

Why would the bear kill Hakon, when (as I pointed out earlier) a few people, myself included, thought he could be the bear? If it was me I'd love to leave someone around who looked suspicious (which is I think why I don't get Night killed most of the time) so attention would be drawn away from myself. So what in the name of Joss Whedon (♥) was the bear thinking? Was it random? Did they, as someone's pointed out recently, think that Hakon had perhaps picked them out? Did they fancy him for the seer?

Inconceivable.

The Seer was lynched yesterDay!

For possible reasons why the bear got Hakon, see my post at #533..

[satansaloser2005]

The Seer was lynched yesterDay!

Crap. I meant hunter, I think, or maybe ranger. Heck if I know, but I obviously didn't mean seer. Thanks, Nerwen, I knew I messed something up when I typed that, I just couldn't for the life of me remember what it was.


*crashes for good this time hopefully*

[Nerwen]

I'm inclined to agree that the bear in this game might be a newbie.

I'm not sure; even an experienced player might have killed him to be on the safe side. Whether Hakon had actually spotted him or not (unlikely, given how early that post was), if the bear bought it, the rest of Hakon's bear-talk might look like an attempt at blackmail– "I know who you are, so help us out or I'll tell". (A very ill-advised attempt, mind you– anyone but a newbie would have known that was suicidal.)

This all just speculation. There are several other reasons why Hakon might have been killed. However, if I'm right about this, it would point to the bear being among the early posters.

[the phantom]

I'm still feeling grumpy and I'm tempted to just go mum the rest of the day and show up at the deadline and attempt to tie the vote no matter who is on the chopping block, just to make Boro use his coin. I think it'd be funny to have a tie every day. Very random.

But no... I can't let myself do that. I ought to at least have a look at the voting and make some guesses. We already know that two of the top suspects were innocent, so what the vote can tell us will be limited.

Alon came under very slight threat halfway through, and so if she's guilty the Pitch voters don't look so good.

Rikae was threatened right at the deadline, so if she is guilty Tum rushing in and retracting her Hakon vote in favor of padding Pitch's lead (effectively saving Rik's skin) looks extremely suspicious.

If Alon and Rikae are both innocent then we basically don't have anything at all, except for the fact that with Hakon safely out front from the beginning the villains would be free to start wagons for different candidates.

That's all for now. I'm supposed to be waking up in a few hours. After all of my tasks are done I will return. Most likely I'll be around for large portions of the final six hours. See ya.

[Nerwen]

Um... okay... Not sure why you would even say that, for a host of reasons.

*frowns and scratches head*

Well, now that's definitely out in the open... thoughts on Mira? I mean, she's hardly a newbie anymore.

EDIT:X'd with tp.

[the phantom]

Okay then... One more post before sleepy time...
Left out a key point here. I think Pitch dreamed of phantom and discovered that he was the Ranger or Hunter and they were able to talk at Night. Elaboration to come if wanted.
Um... okay... Not sure why you would even say that, for a host of reasons.

*frowns and scratches head*
Well, now that's definitely out in the open... thoughts on Mira? I mean, she's hardly a newbie anymore.
From my point of view it doesn't look like her comment was an error. She had to have done it on purpose, due to the fact that she appears to be making rules up. I see nothing in the rules about the Seer and Ranger/Hunter PMing. Perhaps it was supposed to be some sort of trap? I dunno... No idea what to think.

[Brinniel]

YOU WILL CURSE THE DAY YOU DID NOT DO, ALL THAT THE PHANTOM ASKED OF YOU.*

But seriously, people. How could you let this happen? Any innocents who voted Pitchwife, or simply contributed towards his lynching, I hope you've given yourselves a good spanking. :rolleyes:

After the events of yesterDay and his reaction toDay, I'm almost inclined to trust the phantom. Of course, that probably means he's evil. :p

Won't say much more tonight, as it is very late. I might post some in the morning and will definitely be around at some point in the evening...and I think I should be here for deadline this time.


*I just saw the show on Broadway last night and when I heard this line sung, I sensed it may become relevant to this game. So of course I just had to mention it. :cool:

[Nerwen]

From my point of view it doesn't look like her comment was an error. She had to have done it on purpose, due to the fact that she appears to be making rules up. I see nothing in the rules about the Seer and Ranger/Hunter PMing.

No, there's nothing.

Perhaps it was supposed to be some sort of trap?

Wee-elll, last game (which Mira co-modded), Hakon accidentally caused Borowolf to give himself away in just this way... but that was an extraordinary slip on Boro's part; he himself called it "the worst mistake I ever made". Surely she wouldn't think the chance of it working twice in a row outweighed the obvious risk?

[Thinlómien]

I'm here and I've read the first 5 pages and the tally, and I have to be off again to show a 'downish tourist around the city... but I'll be back in the afternoon.

This far I have to admit I'm not impressed - too much banter, silly quarrels and getting the seer and another person killed on Day1? How does that happen anyway? (Just a rhetorical question, I will find out once I read more. :))

Well, obviously, you just needed me to be around. :Merisu:

And then one more thing - I shouldn't come back to ww after almost two months of being away because I can't get a hang of the game and I mix up all the new people. (Nessa, autume and Alona keep getting mixed up in my head, although I think I can recognise Nessa 'cos she seems to make more sense than at least half of the old faces. ;) Anyway, no problem, I love playing with new people because I don't know what to expect from them!)

So, play well all ye cuddlefish, see you again soon!

[autume98]

Going to check out the weather, since it was storming on my way home a bit ago. Phantom, Tum, how's the weather for you? Anything pretty?

Oh yeah! It's the only reason I was up at 5 this morning! How is it that it's my day sleeping in and I end up waking up way early? :rolleyes:

So I'm catching up on posts. I haven't gotten through them all yet. I read yours and had to post. ;)

I really don't see Rikae as being a wolf. I'm not really sure where people see her as being suspicious. I don't think she's the bear either. It seems like her points have been sound to me. Nothing has jumped out at me saying wolf or bear. Then again I haven't been playing that long so maybe you see something I haven't.

I said yesterday that throwing late votes on someone who couldn't defend himself properly was a perfect way to lynch a Gifted. Even earlier in the day I said that we should set an artificial deadline to avoid lynching gifteds. The idea was totally pooh-poohed.

Yes I wish I would've listened to you. I should have just left my vote then the Seer would still be alive. Unfortunately, I can't go back and undo what I did.

You mentioned setting an artificial deadline so I'm just curious as to why you voted at the last minute as well? Granted your vote didn't affect anybody. Like I said I'm just curious.

Now off to finish catching up!

[autume98]

Well I have finished getting caught up.

I'm not sure what to think of phantom, but then it seems like a lot of the old-timers can't get a handle on him either so I don't feel so bad about that.

Mira- I agree with your analysis on page 13 that I was Pitch's most likely dream. He was smart and didn't make it obvious (the Seer should almost never hint at his first dream strongly), but he appeared to be setting himself up to side with me later. He stated that he liked what I was doing, and that he was scared of me coming into the game (making me a logical 1st dream). He also mentioned that he agreed that you should just go with Phantom and hope for the best.

Anyone have any thoughts on what he said here?

[Nerwen]

I said this earlier:

I'm not sure; even an experienced player might have killed him to be on the safe side. Whether Hakon had actually spotted him or not (unlikely, given how early that post was), if the bear bought it, the rest of Hakon's bear-talk might look like an attempt at blackmail– "I know who you are, so help us out or I'll tell".

However, having re-read that section, I see that the only living players Hakon could have been referring to are Mira and the phantom. He did in fact claim to suspect both of them– but probably not in a way that would have alarmed the bear, unless said bear was very easily panicked. He starts off suspecting Mira for having been the first to post, then appears to switch after this post:

1) Bear-dude... Please help us kill the villains, for your own good. They can kill you at night or beat you by surviving to the end. They are your most likely roadblock to victory. At night, gun for them.

2) Gifteds, leave decent clues please, so as to prove your identities. Not clues that can be read easily, but coded clues that you can point out after the fact. Yeah, yeah, baddies can fake it, but it at least makes more work for them, and they have to plan it in advance, and if they do so you ought to at least have a claim equal to theirs.

3) I think we should, as a village, agree to set for ourselves an artificial deadline which is 30 minutes before the true one. Last minute voting flurries can be deadly, and we'll feel really foolish if we lynch a gifted right at the end, and if we had only cast our votes sooner that person would've had a chance to prove their identity and divert the lynch. I'm not expecting this idea to be adopted, but I can always dream, can't I?

I agree with all of that. Well people I am off now. I have a new suspect, but not for a wolf.

So it looks as if the phantom was Hakon's new "suspect". It's not clear what Hakon was accusing him of, or on what grounds– since he also agrees with everything phantom says in this post(!); Rikae (#42) apparently saw it as a cobbler-Hakon pointing out a possible gifted-phantom. I've already suggested that the bear may have thought Hakon was the cobbler.

This far I have to admit I'm not impressed - too much banter, silly quarrels and getting the seer and another person killed on Day1? How does that happen anyway? (Just a rhetorical question, I will find out once I read more. :))

Nice to have you back, Lommy!:)

Just to clear something up: Fea wasn't lynched, she dropped out.

[Rikae]

Well, that would depend on if she's evil or not, now wouldn't it? :p


Um, what? You aren't making sense - and I apologize if it's a joke, but it looks like you first concluded that I'm probably evil because I interacted a lot with the deceased, which makes no sense at all. Why would I choose a kill that would draw so much attention to me, when I'm already probably the most suspected person in this game? I assure you, I'm a better player than that.
Also, Pitchwife was lynched - for obvious reasons - and I didn't interact with Lari at all, except to say she should contribute more, so I'm really not sure what you're driving at with "both" Pitchwife and Hakon.

As for being framed, I get that feeling, too. I think that may be the bear's motive for killing Hakon, that is - trying to look like I did so out of annoyance or something...? Well, you don't have to believe me, of course, but I never have chosen a kill for such reasons (I've even ruled out kills because they might be perceived that way) and I never will. This is another instance of people expecting dishonorable behavior from an evil me, and I'm getting tired of it. I may be irritable, but I am honorable.

Mira and Inzil are looking suspicious to me because I get the feeling they're hopping on the easy lynch bandwagon du jour (me) with misleading reasons (Inzil, though he backed off it when pressed) or simply bizarre reasoning which screams "I gotta come up with some suspicion, but anything will do, since everyone dislikes and wants to lynch this person already anyway".

Yeah, I'm easy to lynch because I'm hot-tempered and people don't like me personally. I know that. But I am innocent and would really like a chance to be of use to you people, so please at least consider that possibility.

[Rikae]

And now some clever person is bound to call the above a "crafty bid for sympathy" or something. Very well. I don't think I have a chance to survive toDay anymore anyway, but it would be nice if someone could sympathize me in the process of lynching me, anyway. I am actually a human being. :eek:

[Nessa Telrunya]

Well, I come back after last night's vote to a fine mess, don't I? Lynched the Seer, lost an ordo!Fea, and two other ordos in the Night.

Honestly, those who would look most dubious are Pitchwife voters, but here's something else: Wouldn't a wolf be more likely to inconspicuously slide into a bandwagon, rather than start or finish one so out in the open?

I know Tum seems suspicious because she was the deciding vote, but I don't think a wolf would do something that brings so much attention to them.

More thoughts, maybe a list, to come. :cool:

edit: crossed since Nerwen

[Rikae]

Speak of the devil.

Nessa, you voted me yesterday for personal reasons, did you not? Talk about an easy way out...

[Nessa Telrunya]

Personal reasons? I do not recall saying "Rikae, I'm voting you for personal reasons."

It's nothing against you, just that the way you jumped out at Hakon, when he was only trying to help. You effectively stated that you did not like talking about useless subjects, like how bad Day one is, or the Bear, or surveys, and that worked to take the eyes off you, yet you persisted in actively participating in those same conversations, and steering the talk away from the most important subject-catching a baddie.

But no, I don't think you are a baddie, you've suceeded in catching the spotlight and no wolf would do anything to get so much scrutiny.

[Rikae]

That would make the most sense, although could be considered a sloppy move. An experienced bear (or wolf, for that matter) wouldn't get jumpy at the first sign of being spotted. It is entirely plausible that a newbie bear would see possibly being spotted as more of a threat than it was and jump to make the kill before anything could come of it.

If my memory serves (and it probably doesn't), the only one that Hakon stated a clear bear suspicion of was Rikae.


Interesting how you seem to be able to come out with me as a top suspect in every analysis.

Here, you just said that it wasn't something an experienced bear would do. Well, I am an experienced bear. I mentioned that before. In fact, I don't think anyone else won as a bear, making me THE experienced bear. By your own logic, I couldn't be it.

[Rikae]

Personal reasons? I do not recall saying "Rikae, I'm voting you for personal reasons."
You said you were voting me because you didn't like the way I "jump down people's throats all the time" if I recall correctly. That sounds pretty personal to me.

It's nothing against you, just that the way you jumped out at Hakon, when he was only trying to help. You effectively stated that you did not like talking about useless subjects, like how bad Day one is, or the Bear, or surveys, and that worked to take the eyes off you, yet you persisted in actively participating in those same conversations, and steering the talk away from the most important subject-catching a baddie.

To set the record straight:

I talked about the surveys after the mod's permission, without I would have considered it cheating.

I talked about the bear because I found phantom suspicious and wanted to say why.

I talked about Fea because I was trying to trap baddies.

[Rikae]

I'll probably end up retracting, since the more I think about it the less I think she's evil, but I need a placeholder for the time being. Goodnight!

Ah, sorry for defending myself so vehemently then. I saw that vote out of the corner of my eye, was reading the analysis posts, and replied right away.

[Nessa Telrunya]

To set the record straight:

I talked about the surveys after the mod's permission, without I would have considered it cheating.

I talked about the bear because I found phantom suspicious and wanted to say why.

I talked about Fea because I was trying to trap baddies.

Okay, I'll drop the matter, but I can't promise someone else won't pick it up. Now I find myself thinking you an ordo who likes to voice her opinion, rather than a baddie.

Now, The Phantom has somehow managed to stick himself both to the top and bottom of my suspicions. His part in finding Pitch innocent can be interpreted in multiple ways, but that is his own fault for not supporting words with actions. I can see him as maybe being a gifted, but that would be a stretch, and gifteds and baddies are often meshed together.

[Rikae]

Sally looks innocentish.

Mira looks worrisome.

phantom's posts toDay look innocentish, at any rate.

Form is a bit cautious and under-reindeerish, which always merits a closer look.

Nessa I don't know, and she irritated me, not so sure how well I can read her.

Nerwen is also sleeping under my reindeer.

Mac hasn't posted yet toDay (because he was too tired) but I think he's innocent.

Inzil is looking bad, but may be the type I always suspect.

Nienna is really, really far under the reindeer.

morm looks relatively innocent, although he's making me mad.

alona and autume have not made an impression, really - I have to look again.

Lommy has not said enough to judge.

Anyone I forgot is forgotten. Take that as you will. (No offense to anyone I forgot).

[Rikae]

Forgot Shasta and Durelin, which in itself suggests I should look at them...

also, these are two you could say I have strong opinions on in general. Shasta is one I tend to trust, and Durelin scares me. :eek:

[Nessa Telrunya]

I'm not sure if I should be glad or scared that you remembered me, Rikae. >_>

[Boromir88]

I've been asked to clean up part of the confusion with the Rules


EDIT: Left out a key point here. I think Pitch dreamed of phantom and discovered that he was the Ranger or Hunter and they were able to talk at Night. Elaboration to come if wanted.

This is not correct. The only gifteds who can ever PM are the BFFs. If Pitch did find a gifted he would not have been able to PM them, he would have only been able to discover their gift.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

And now some clever person is bound to call the above a "crafty bid for sympathy" or something. Very well. I don't think I have a chance to survive toDay anymore anyway, but it would be nice if someone could sympathize me in the process of lynching me, anyway. I am actually a human being. :eek:

Nogrod isn't playing. ;)

More to come later, but I'm putting in a vote right now, because I'm, um, training my shadow-powers all day (read: reasons in admin thread) and won't be here most of the day!

++Mirandir for pointing out gifteds, which is how we caught Boro last game.

[Inziladun]

Mira and Inzil are looking suspicious to me because I get the feeling they're hopping on the easy lynch bandwagon du jour (me) with misleading reasons (Inzil, though he backed off it when pressed) or simply bizarre reasoning which screams "I gotta come up with some suspicion, but anything will do, since everyone dislikes and wants to lynch this person already anyway".

I was wasn't 'backing off'. I went to bed. ;)
And far from 'hopping on the easy lynch bandwagon' for you, I was the driver of that thar wagon, thank you very much.
I have a question about your Day 1 'trap' for the wolves regarding the Fea-voting after it had been declared she would be modfired. Why did you not immediately press any who appeared to take it seriously, specifically Brinn?
Would she not have been at least as tempting a vote as Pitchwife?


EDIT: Left out a key point here. I think Pitch dreamed of phantom and discovered that he was the Ranger or Hunter and they were able to talk at Night. Elaboration to come if wanted.

This does look bad. A serious slip, whether from a innocent or a baddie. Mac pointed it out to her quickly, but was that necessary just then? It was already there, and could not legitimately be edited out. Oddly enough she's also put in a vote for Rikae. Could mean nothing, though, as I think she even said she'd probably retract.

[mormegil]

Due to school and air travel I won't be able to log on much if at all from this point forward. Sorry that I won't be very active.

++Rikae

She and Sally seem the most suspicious. Mira's comment seems a bit cobblerish and if that is so a decent lynch but I would rather go for a true baddie.

[alonariel]

Mira and Inzil are looking suspicious to me because I get the feeling they're hopping on the easy lynch bandwagon du jour (me) with misleading reasons (Inzil, though he backed off it when pressed) or simply bizarre reasoning which screams "I gotta come up with some suspicion, but anything will do, since everyone dislikes and wants to lynch this person already anyway".

I wouldn't be jumping on your lynch-waggon just yet, Rikae, as I do think you were honestly framed. Mira's reply to my post that you were framed confused me a little - it seemed a little tongue-in-cheek, but could have been more.

Inzil...well, Lari suspected him. And, if we're to go off past games, in which Lari has been pretty darn good at suspecting people before (granted, her birdy was fighting for his life this time), I'd say Inzil deserves a closer look.

[alonariel]

Due to school and air travel I won't be able to log on much if at all from this point forward. Sorry that I won't be very active.

++Rikae

She and Sally seem the most suspicious. Mira's comment seems a bit cobblerish and if that is so a decent lynch but I would rather go for a true baddie.

Now Morm seems to be doing the same thing I was accused of yesterday, hiding behind a vote. I agree with what Nessa said earlier - that Rikae is an ordo. For now, a placeholder vote while I run off to do some errands. I should be back in a few hours.

++mormegil

[Mirandir]

Okay then... One more post before sleepy time...



From my point of view it doesn't look like her comment was an error. She had to have done it on purpose, due to the fact that she appears to be making rules up. I see nothing in the rules about the Seer and Ranger/Hunter PMing. Perhaps it was supposed to be some sort of trap? I dunno... No idea what to think.

Or she was very tired and more stupid than usual when she wrote that she has bashing her head against a wall for the past 12 hours or so. There was a game in the recent past that had the three PMing and I got confused.

Um, what? You aren't making sense - and I apologize if it's a joke, but it looks like you first concluded that I'm probably evil because I interacted a lot with the deceased, which makes no sense at all.

It was a joke.


Mira and Inzil are looking suspicious to me because I get the feeling they're hopping on the easy lynch bandwagon du jour (me) with misleading reasons (Inzil, though he backed off it when pressed) or simply bizarre reasoning which screams "I gotta come up with some suspicion, but anything will do, since everyone dislikes and wants to lynch this person already anyway".

Yeah, I'm easy to lynch because I'm hot-tempered and people don't like me personally. I know that. But I am innocent and would really like a chance to be of use to you people, so please at least consider that possibility.

Dear, I said I would probably retract my vote for you. Unless you do something super suspicious before deadline, chances are you won't be my final vote.

Ok I have to go to work now. Blah. Hopefully I don't have to come back and save myself.

[Inziladun]

Inzil...well, Lari suspected him. And, if we're to go off past games, in which Lari has been pretty darn good at suspecting people before (granted, her birdy was fighting for his life this time), I'd say Inzil deserves a closer look.

For any who are of a similar mind, I'd like to point out that I could have changed my vote in favor of Pitchwife quite easily yesterDay, with little chance of appearing suspicious. 'Framing' Rikae I could have left for toDay.
As I've already said, the last votes for Pitchwife look better to me than the early ones for the reason that his flip-flopping and explanation for it did look highly peculiar.

[Nessa Telrunya]

I think the baddies, rather than being those deciding votes at the end of the bandwagons, were most likely the ones who hopped on in the very middle. Just a thought.

[Nienna]

Current vote count:

Mira --> Rikae
Shasta --> Mira
Morm --> Rikae
Alona --> Morm

Rikae 2, Mira and Morm 1

[Rikae]

I was wasn't 'backing off'. I went to bed. ;)
And far from 'hopping on the easy lynch bandwagon' for you, I was the driver of that thar wagon, thank you very much.
It seems to me that before you even posted toDay, you could be fairly confident of the support of phantom and morm - two rather powerful allies, indeed.
I have a question about your Day 1 'trap' for the wolves regarding the Fea-voting after it had been declared she would be modfired. Why did you not immediately press any who appeared to take it seriously, specifically Brinn?
Would she not have been at least as tempting a vote as Pitchwife?
post #301: Hm, gotta wonder why Brinn is more worried about being suspected than about catching a wolf...

post #307: However, come to think of it, Brinn and Nienna are also rather suspicious for the Fea-voting talk - I would say Nienna more than Brinn, since she's more low-key about it, as if trying to avoid drawing attention to herself. Interesting that Boro found Brinn suspicious for this, but not Nienna.

But then, I think you're well aware of that, since you used it yesterday to make the case that I was inconsistent. Now you claim I never suspected them to try to discredit my trap claim?

If it wasn't a trap, why did I write "part 1" at the top, in your opinion?

As for why I didn't vote for them, partly, I was going along with what I thought was phantom's trap, and I was waiting to see what he did with it, only to realize he was serious. Secondly, I didn't find Brinn that suspicious. Her behavior seemed very much like what I know of her from previous games. Nienna, while slightly suspicious, didn't seem to have posted enough for me to make a confident judgment - however, I had her in mind when I stated that I was choosing Pitchwife on a "gut feeling". He reminded me of a wolf-Celuien Mac once caught, as well as other wolves I've seen over the years. Just because I intend something as a trap doesn't mean I don't analyze what it "catches", so to speak.
Voting a doomed player is not always suspicious, but certainly could have looked like a safe vote for a baddie, especially after what phantom said. I didn't particularly think Brinn acted like a baddie looking for a safe vote, and while Nienna kind of did, there was nothing else to go on with her.

But Inzil, I really think your mind is made up, and you have powerful allies, so I probably don't stand a chance... *shrug* I really don't get the impression you are really trying to discern my role, but simply looking for reasons to suspect me.

[Nessa Telrunya]

Thank you for the vote count, Nienna. What do you think of the voting yesterDay?



edit:crossed with Rikae

[Rikae]

A few thoughts on our lack of a seer -
our remaining gifteds are now more important then ever, not only for their powers, but because they could become known innocents in the endgame, allowing us to find the final baddies by process of elimination. I've never played with sheriffs before, but it seems to me that, although they aren't allowed to both reveal at once, if they're clever perhaps they can leave a trail which will allow us to figure out the second sheriff after the first reveals, having two nearly known innocents when it really counts. For that to work we really have to keep our gifteds alive, though, and our gifteds have to be prepared to make their claims believable if/when they do reveal. phantom said this before, and I agree, especially now.
We also need to be careful not to simply lynch anyone who behaves oddly or annoys us (I have to keep telling myself this, too). General advice always falls short in some way, we can't foresee all possibilities, but in all my werewolfing history those have rarely been the wolves, and yesterDay reminded me of the chance that a nervous and defensive person is often gifted rather than evil. Not only don't I we want to lynch our gifteds, but we don't want to force them to reveal early on. Please, everyone (myself included) consider your votes carefully, don't simply go with the easy way out.

[/lecture]

[Nienna]

Hakon voters:
-Morm
-Alona
-Sally
-Autume (later retracted and sealed Pitchwife’s demise)

Pitchwife voters
-Shasta
-Rikae
-Nienna
-Hakon
-Autume

I'm analyzing them currently but Fea and I are going out to finish buying cat things but I'll be back in a few hours to finish analyzing. So far I've made it through Morm and his early vote and then lock in for Hakon is unsettling to me.

[Nerwen]

++Mirandir for pointing out gifteds, which is how we caught Boro last game.

"We"? What do you mean– oh, wait, it was you!:p

Thank you for the vote count, Nienna. What do you think of the voting yesterDay?

I'll tell you what I think: it's highly unlikely that there wasn't at least one wolf among the Pitchwife/Hakon voters. However, I currently don't have a clue who it is/they are.

I'm currently thinking of voting for Mira, mainly because of that post where she points out tp's supposed giftedness. However, as morm says, that's more a cobbler's stunt than a wolf's (or bear's for that matter).

EDIT:X'd with Nienna and Rikae.

[Formendacil]

Well... less than a full page of total accumulated postage is delightfully better than our Day 1 overnight accumulation. Especially since being among family means that I stayed up too late last night and woke up with a head full of mucus. Again.

Anyway, it looks like my family isn't going to be terribly distracting for at least a little while yet, so let's try and get a few posts in before lunch hits.

The first thought that comes to mind regards the suspicion generally surrounding Rikae from some quarters. My first thought--after a single read-through of the new posts, so I'm not necessarily picking up on everyone else's thoughts--is that insofar as she started the "lynch-Pitchwife" movement, that's probably not an indication of lupinity or ursinity, since it looks to me like Pitchwife was playing as unsuspicious a Seer as he could--which is the wise way to go on Day 1--even if you have caught a baddie (and there's no indication he did), the odds are high that you'll live to Day 2 with a second dream, unless you've given yourself away.

So, on face value as far as that goes, I really don't see Rikae as suspicious. Quite unfortunate, yes, but that tends to be a symptom of ordos more than wolves.

Although... Rikae has been defending herself rather vigorously--which is fair, since she's come under a fair amount of suspicion, I guess--but it's sending mixed signals to me in a sense. On the one hand, there's sort of an air of "Fine, whatever: I'm an ordo and you're going to kill me and I'm going to give you all the reasons you shouldn't"--a sense of not caring, in other words... but with a sort of consistent earnestness that, obviously, says she does care.

Of course, it does occur to me that human beings are wild and conflicted beings, capable of holding contradictory emotions and positions on identically the same issues... but it is something of an incongruity, and I don't know what to make of it...

Now... to go find other posts that sparked some thought and try and recapture that glow.

[Macalaure]

Thoughts.

1. I know Mira's slip was quite obvious, but I tried to point it out trying not to draw attention to it, and now people keep on quoting it! (Including the mod! :eek:) Personally, I believe she indeed simply made a mistake, though cobblery is possible.
Shasta jumped on it with gusto, a possible attempt of scapegoating, but not careful enough for it. Tending innocent.
Nerwen waits til Shasta steps ahead. Looks innocent, but I know better than to think she couldn't have faked it.
phantom joins in, but refrains from further comments, making him look more innocent.
Inzil: first says nothing, then goes after me. I ask you, why, as a baddie, would I have pointed it out at all (without accusing Mira at the same time!)? To alarm the ranger? You keep on throwing out vague suspicions without backing them up.
morm comments on it and what he says looks fair enough.

2. The early votes piling up against Rikae and Mira do not meet my approval.

3. I need a list to clear my mind:

For the moment, I trust (in the most loose definition of the word):
Form, Mira, Nienna, Rikae, Sally, Shasta, phantom

I'm doubtful about:
Alona, Autume, Brinn, morm, Nerwen

I'm clueless about:
Durelin, Lommy, Nessa

I suspect:
Inzil

Far more innocents than suspects, but having some sense of who you think you can trust is as valuable as having a sense of who to lynch, in my mind.

[Formendacil]

Personal reasons? I do not recall saying "Rikae, I'm voting you for personal reasons."

It's nothing against you, just that the way you jumped out at Hakon, when he was only trying to help. You effectively stated that you did not like talking about useless subjects, like how bad Day one is, or the Bear, or surveys, and that worked to take the eyes off you, yet you persisted in actively participating in those same conversations, and steering the talk away from the most important subject-catching a baddie.

But no, I don't think you are a baddie, you've suceeded in catching the spotlight and no wolf would do anything to get so much scrutiny.

That last line bugs me... maybe it's just that you haven't experienced some of the wolves this site has produced, Nessa, but there are--or have been, anyway--wolves that would have willingly caught the spotlight (and hence, the scrutiny). And if you're going to pick a Day to do it, Day 1 is the Day, since it's a lot more reasonably possible to argue your way out or survive the aftermath (ie. "not get lynched") if it's on the basis of Day 1, and then in the game after that you seem to have a credibility of having been exonerated. It's not true, of course, because you haven't died and your role hasn't been found out, but I'd say, descriptively, that it works.

All of which said... I'm inclined to agree with you that Rikae is innocent, but your basic premise that a wolf would not have subjected him/herself to the spotlight doesn't fly for me, and I think its possible that we have a wolf or bear among yesterday's loudmouths. Maybe the phantom--he is certainly capable of pulling it off. If he wasn't dead and the seer, it could have been Pitchwife--but, obviously, that's a case of the seer under scrutiny.

Hmm... Hakon's the only other spotlight yesterday that I'm really remembering... and he was, I thought and have been proven correct, in the spotlight very clearly despite himself...

Okay... Maybe the wolves/bear weren't in the spotlight yesterday... or I can't remember everyone who was... but it's not, conceptually, impossible.

[Formendacil]

2. The early votes piling up against Rikae and Mira do not meet my approval.

Cross-posted with this last time...

The fact that the early votes are piling up against Rikae and Mira specifically may be what you're wary of--in which case, that's fair, and I'll not comment on that--but it seems fair to mention that yesterDay set a strong precedent of "I'm not sure I'll be around, so I'll leave a vote anyway" or "I'm ticked at this minor issue, so I'm going to leave a protest vote to express that, but I'll be back later and retract" etc.

Which is not to say, necessarily, that these votes follow that pattern, but it does seem like a fair observational note that that seems to be the way the game is going in terms of exercising the Once-Retractable vote.

[Nerwen]

2. The early votes piling up against Rikae and Mira

The fact that the early votes are piling up against Rikae and Mira

Ahem. Here is the current vote count, courtesy of Nienna:

Mira --> Rikae
Shasta --> Mira
Morm --> Rikae
Alona --> Morm

Rikae 2, Mira and Morm 1

Where's the pile-up?

[Boromir88]

Moderators Note:

Lari is being imployed as the official vote tallier. I ♥ you 10 times 10 times and more. :D

Now I must enjoy this footlong chicken, bacon, ranch sub (on italian herbs and cheese) that I purchased from Subway. So continue...and sorry if that makes anyone hungry. :rolleyes:

[Formendacil]

Ahem. Here is the current vote count, courtesy of Nienna:



Where's the pile-up?

Well, I'm quoting Mac...

But, defensibly, one could argue that out of a total of 4 votes cast, 1 is a full 25% of the vote.

Also, 4 votes this early in the day is not insignificant--though also not unprecedented.

[Formendacil]

Okay, I have family wanting the computer and I need to say Lauds before noon. If God should give me a private revelation therein about the baddies, I'll undoubtedly be back soon, but barring that, I'm not sure when I'll be back. Soonish rather than laterish, I imagine, but let's emphasize the "ish" either way.

[Nerwen]

Well, I'm quoting Mac...

But, defensibly, one could argue that out of a total of 4 votes cast, 1 is a full 25% of the vote.

Also, 4 votes this early in the day is not insignificant--though also not unprecedented.

I'm just saying, Mac's over-reacting... and I'm wondering why. Maybe he was already counting my prospective vote on Mira. Which I believe I'll make now:

++Mirandir

Not at all sure about this, though; I may well change it later.

There, Mac. Now they each have two votes.

[Inziladun]

So far I've made it through Morm and his early vote and then lock in for Hakon is unsettling to me.

I thought that odd as well. The early vote would make sense if he knew he wouldn't be around later, but what was the point of locking it in? I think Sally did the same thing. Why eliminate your chance for retraction, not knowing what may happen closer to DL?

Inzil: first says nothing, then goes after me. I ask you, why, as a baddie, would I have pointed it out at all (without accusing Mira at the same time!)? To alarm the ranger? You keep on throwing out vague suspicions without backing them up.

I wasn't attacking you, per se. An innocent would certainly have an interest in pointing it out, but so would a wolf to a packmate who'd just made a dangerous error. The way you worded it seemed to me a bit more along the lines of the latter scenario, that's all.

2. The early votes piling up against Rikae and Mira do not meet my approval.

Where's the pile-up?

Indeed. Early in the Day, and many possibilities still.

[Macalaure]

It looks like Rikae and Mira are being met with a lot of suspicion, which is reflected in the voting. Yes, one or two votes are not necessarily significant, but shall I wait until it's three or four votes until I tell you I don't like the choice? Pitch was lynched with five votes. I'm not over-reacting at all, just trying to nip two upcoming foolish bandwaggons in the bud.

Form's critical yet cautious approach looks innocent to me, but I think Nerwen's flippant way is a bit eyebrow-raising (though, admitted, Nerwen is almost always flippant), and Inzil's wolvish "there are still many possibilities" has in all likelihood secured my vote for him today.


edit: curse of the 2nd language... "flippant" is not really the right word on second thought, I'm meaning something like "relaxed", "casual", "not serious"...

[Rikae]

Although... Rikae has been defending herself rather vigorously--which is fair, since she's come under a fair amount of suspicion, I guess--but it's sending mixed signals to me in a sense. On the one hand, there's sort of an air of "Fine, whatever: I'm an ordo and you're going to kill me and I'm going to give you all the reasons you shouldn't"--a sense of not caring, in other words... but with a sort of consistent earnestness that, obviously, says she does care.

What can I say? I do care. Partly because I want to help the village and not have everyone waste their time attacking/lynching me (and yes, a wolf can always say that, but there's my thinking for you all to consider) and partly because, I'll admit it, a lot of the accusations hurt my pride, since they seem to imply I am either a stupid or dishonorable player.

I wasn't attacking you, per se. An innocent would certainly have an interest in pointing it out, but so would a wolf to a packmate who'd just made a dangerous error. The way you worded it seemed to me a bit more along the lines of the latter scenario, that's all.

I don't think a wolf-Mac would have pointed out a wolf-Mira's error in that case, but hoped it would be overlooked. Although actually, I'm inclined to think Mira only made an honest mistake, anyway, or is not a wolf or bear in any event. If she were a wolf or bear and thought the phantom was gifted, she'd try to paint him as a wolf and get him lynched or, failing that, kill him herself toNight - the worst she could reasonably be is a cobbler, which she might, but we have bigger fish to fry. If Mac were a wolf or bear, pointing out the cobbler's cobblerishness would be a silly move.

[Rikae]

just to add to the above - a silly move right now, I mean. If it were necessary for the baddies to find a scapegoat, later in the game, probably, baddies going after the cobbler would make sense, but it doesn't really make sense now.

[Lariren Shadow]

Mira --> Rikae
Shasta --> Mira
Morm --> Rikae (2)
Alona --> Morm
Nerwen --> Mira (2)

Rikae and Mira 2, Morm 1.

And the Dark Monarch is spleeny pottle-deep moldwarp! (<3 Shakespeare)

[Nienna]

Hakon Voters:

-Morm – weird vote and retract and vote again just because Hakon commented on something Morm said pre-game

-Alona – voted early because she said she might not be around… always the possibility to retract later… thought that Hakon bringing up surveys just felt weird and agreed with what Morm says about Hakon earlier

-Sally – gave no reasoning for her vote in her vote post but in a previous post she said that she didn’t like Hakon trying to stir things up and being laid back at the same time. She said it looked squirmy (218 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606721&postcount=218)).

-Autume (later retracted) – Didn’t give any reason for voting Hakon… not even a little. Then switched to Pitchwife (one minute before deadline to push Pitchwife over the edge) also without reason. She says she can expand on it toDay. I think it is time for that explanation.

[wilwarin538]

Wild-eye and Hover Girl are both mad mustachio purple-hued maltworms

[Nienna]

Pitchwife Voters:

-Shasta – voted Pitchwife because of his first post which Shasta translated into "No, Bear, don't join the innocents against me and my wolf friends, plzkthx." (392 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606972&postcount=392))

-Rikae – first joked that Pitchwife would get her vote because Shasta voted for him and Shasta is a wolf-catching machine, thinks Pitchwife is jumpy for changing his vote when pressed, votes based on a gut feeling

-Nienna- I shall leave it to someone else to analyze me (as I might be a bit biased)

-Hakon – to save own skin

-Autume – See Hakon voters above

Based on looking through these I think I would like to hear more from Shasta though I believe he is busy ToDay moving in college and what-not and Autume is making me wary right now... so I'm hoping she will clarify her votes or else she is looking quite suspicious to me.

[Rikae]

I thought I'd better thoroughly analyze the people who were flying under my radar the most. I have a feeling I might have been focusing too much on those who suspected me, while the wolves sat back and enjoyed the show... so here's my summery of Alona, Shasta, Autume and Durelin:

Alona:

Day 1

#46 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606516&postcount=46)
Banter, admits saying she feared phantom on survey.

#53 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606523&postcount=53)
Banter.

#55
Yet more banter.

#58 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606532&postcount=58)
Asks Nerwen to stop writing backward.

#70 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606532&postcount=58)
Goofing around

#73 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606549&postcount=73)
Still more goofing around.

#247 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606757&postcount=247)
Comolains about number of pages, needs to catch up.

#286 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606757&postcount=247)
Agrees with Lari on roles matching survey answers. Votes for Hakon - seemingly uncertain placeholder vote; thinks he wouldn't attract so much attention as a wolf or bear, but still finds survey suggestion "feels weird" (hm, actually, she contributed to the survey talk above, a contradiction), considers him possible cobbler.

#430 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=607014&postcount=430)
Explains to Mac that she needs to be more original. Suspects Hakon ("not all newbie mistakes"), thanks me for defending her, I guess. Seems a little *too* nice, somehow, like she's looking for allies.

#432
Vote count

#445
Banter

#447
"Where are the 10 some odd people that still have to vote...?"

#466
"I think Pitchwife panicked, to be quite honest. I'm more inclined to believe cobblery or bear-ery (?) from Hakon than Pitchwife."

#476
"♥ Nienna."

Day 2:

#526 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=607173&postcount=526)
Makes the odd statement that we "gave the wolves too much" on Day 1, thinks they jumped on the bandwagons. Makes the also-odd statement that she voted for Hakon because he was abusing newbie errors "a mistake that both Rikae and I made". Not sure what she means - I didn't vote for that reason or say that about anyone - and it gives me an odd feeling of having someone ride my coattails or something. Nessa one to watch, the more traps the better.

#530
"Or someone wants to frame Rikae...and then that begs the question, which players would be at an advantage if she were gone?"

#532
Mira doing a great job.

#534
"Possible...and I have another (newbie) question. Are we allowed to arrange our deaths in a manner that would leave clues for the good guys to figure out who killed us?"

#543 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=607190&postcount=543)

Makes sense for bear to be newbie, for bear to keep wolves around, agreeing with Mira, just thought Hakon was a cobbler.

#581 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=607250&postcount=581)
Doesn't suspect me, suspects Inzil.

#582 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=607251&postcount=582)
Votes morm for "hiding behind a vote" - care to explain a little more, alona? I don't quite understand this.



Shasta

Day 1:

#84 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606561&postcount=84)
Banter, tells people to lay off Nerwen (for backwards writing), banter about voting phantom. Something about the style of this post seems a little tense to me.

#94 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606573&postcount=94)
More banter.

#94 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606573&postcount=95)
More banter related to previous game and gifteds leaving clues (sorry, don't get it, wasn't there).

#392

Votes Pitchwife because he thinks his disagreement with phantom looks like ""No, Bear, don't join the innocents against me and my wolf friends, plzkthx.", apparently. Not a good reason, especially considering that I could probably have been accused of that more than Pitchwife could (although I think Shasta explained later he wasn't caught up - but didn't change vote). I took the vote itself as a point against Pitchwife anyway, though, since I firmly believe in Shasta's ESP. Call me superstitious if you like... but look at his record!

#402 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606984&postcount=402)
Explaining he wasn't caught up to phantom, who made the point above.

#403 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606985&postcount=403)
Likes Dury's remark about phantom's ego.

#428 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=607012&postcount=428)
Vote against Pitchwife "Stands for now" after Pitchwife's retraction. Doesn't like when people vote to keep someone "more useful" around.

#434
Vote count, plus "Noteworthy: Pitchwife seemed to freak a bit after suspicion turned to him and jumped on Mac's vote for alona, but why didn't he vote for Hakon if he were evil?" - seems to be thinking Pitchwife more innocentish, then?

#454 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=607042&postcount=454)

Accuses Form of lying because of mix-up over Shasta suspecting me.

Day 2:

#535
"Definitely not wanted. What does an innocent morm gain from saying this? Hint - it's "nothing". (mistaking Mira for Morm and referring to Mira's phantom comment)

#539
"You're right, it was Mira. Sorry morm.

Also, one too many e's, newreN."

#578

Votes Mira "for pointing out gifteds, which is how we caught Boro last game"

Autume:

Day 1:

#129 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606616&postcount=129)
Likes phantom's advice to gifteds to leave hints. Thinks gifteds should make sure they will be found (in spite of the fact that phantom wasn't talking about those kinds of hints).

#317 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606884&postcount=317)
Thinks we shouldn't vote for Fea. Finds Hakon suspicious - no explanation.

#338 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606909&postcount=338)
Keeping an eye on phantom because she hasn't played with him before (???) and suspects me because she played with me before once (???) no explanation of that. (I was the hunter in the game in question).

#353 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606927&postcount=353)
Agrees with my suspicion of phantom, jokes about hunters being scary (in reply to my question about her last post).

#357 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606927&postcount=353)
Votes for Hakon with no explanation.

#482 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=607070&postcount=482)
Changes vote from Hakon to Pitch. Promises to explain Day 2.

Day 2:

#464 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=607130&postcount=494)
Explains vote by basically saying she agreed with others' suspicions of Pitchwife, if I read it correctly.

#499
Tells morm she's female.

#562 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=607219&postcount=562)
Doesn't think I'm a wolf. Thinks it suspicious that phantom voted last-minute after suggesting early deadline.

#563 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=607220&postcount=563)
Can't decide on phantom, asks for others' opinions on his quote about Pitchwife not leaving hints. (I think it could be quite innocent, but if it's a wolf phantom he could, of course, be trying to cover up Pitch's hints toward a fellow wolf... also, by analyzing Pitch we may be able to find a semi-known innocent, if he dreamed an ordo... worth analyzing Pitch anyway, I think, although this has exhausted me so I doubt I'll be the one to do it)



Durelin:

Day 1:

#358 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606933&postcount=358)
Seems sensible, but maybe I think so because she agrees with me on phantom. Also considers me possibly suspicious. Thinks Nessa is forced seeming "especially when it seemed like she was sweet-talking Rikae" (when was that? I don't remember seeing it), disagrees with Brinn and Hakon but doesn't seem to suspect them. Survey talk a waste of time.

#371 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606933&postcount=358)
"Have to say this - Arguing that a Fea-vote is no different from a No-vote is completely pointless, considering that a person can certainly think a No-vote is just as ridiculous...except of course if used as a last minute tool."

#412 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606996&postcount=414)
Votes for Nessa: "Her posts #151, 154, and 159 are particularly unnerving. Maybe it's just that I disagree with her plain and simply, and that her personality rubs me the wrong way (which of course I kinda how I feel about Hakon... >_>). Basically she seems to be trying very hard to be agreeable and to discuss *something* and ends up commentating on the situation and making really weird generalizations about Day 1 and voting."



I'll post my opinions of each in my next post... too overwhelming to try and post them with all this.

[Nienna]

*apologizes to Autume* I realized that you had started to explain your voting in the beginning of ToDay. I'd still like to hear a bit more but you are looking less suspicious to me now.

[Rikae]

Alona -
I'm not sure - somewhat suspicious, at least. I get a weird feeling of trying to be super-friendly and gain allies from her, and a sense she's somehow trying to associate herself with me (in the "Rikae made the same mistake") - I find myself wondering if she's a mistaken cobbler who thinks I'm a wolf...? Could be a newbie wolf or bear trying to be too likable to suspect... or it could just be her style.

Shasta -
His vote was for weird reasons, and he seems to have later had second thoughts and not changed it. Then again, that is consistent with the Shasta I know - only slightly suspicious.

Autume - My sig says it all. There just really doesn't seem to be enough actual content in her posts - not enough of her own opinions - to make a judgment. A shot in the dark. Needs to talk more.

Durelin - only a few posts, and sort of a feeling of detached commentary about them. Nothing particularly suspicious about the commentary itself, I suppose.

[Boromir88]

Wild-eye and Hover Girl are both mad mustachio purple-hued maltworms

the Dark Monarch is a misbegotten, ill-breeding mass of bug splatter. :p :D

[autume98]

-Autume (later retracted) – Didn’t give any reason for voting Hakon… not even a little. Then switched to Pitchwife (one minute before deadline to push Pitchwife over the edge) also without reason. She says she can expand on it toDay. I think it is time for that explanation.

I gave my explanation already. You can see my explanation here: Post #494 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=607130&postcount=494).

Edit: x-ed with 609 down

[Nienna]

Yes yes I apologized! See apology above.

[alonariel]

#466
"I think Pitchwife panicked, to be quite honest. I'm more inclined to believe cobblery or bear-ery (?) from Hakon than Pitchwife."

No brownie points for thinking Pitch was innocent? ;)

Makes the odd statement that we "gave the wolves too much" on Day 1, thinks they jumped on the bandwagons. Makes the also-odd statement that she voted for Hakon because he was abusing newbie errors "a mistake that both Rikae and I made". Not sure what she means - I didn't vote for that reason or say that about anyone - and it gives me an odd feeling of having someone ride my coattails or something. Nessa one to watch, the more traps the better.

The reason I've been seeming to fly under the radar is because there was so much posting to wade through during Day 1. It made it hard for me to go back and try to sniff out someone who was consistently seeming suspicious to me, which is why I didn't post as much. Day 2 is easier because I'm around more and don't have work, but I am trying to hold my own in the debate now (I hope).


Votes morm for "hiding behind a vote" - care to explain a little more, alona? I don't quite understand this.

He says you two seem the most suspicious, so votes for you. And then he says that Mira seems cobblerish? Why not vote for her? I won't say anymore until he gets back, though, to give him a chance to answer, too.

Alona -
I'm not sure - somewhat suspicious, at least. I get a weird feeling of trying to be super-friendly and gain allies from her, and a sense she's somehow trying to associate herself with me (in the "Rikae made the same mistake") - I find myself wondering if she's a mistaken cobbler who thinks I'm a wolf...? Could be a newbie wolf or bear trying to be too likable to suspect... or it could just be her style.

I think Lari can back me up on this, if you ask her - I am a newbie at this, and as such, feel rather sad when I get votes. I just thought it nice that someone defended me, that's all. And now the votes are gathering for you and Mira - when I don't suspect either of you much of cobblery/wolvery/bear-ery - I feel I should try to stop another lynching that would put our numbers down.

[Rikae]

Regarding the vote explanations:

Morm and Sally locked their votes in weirdly, wasting any chance to retract - really, both ought to explain.

Autume made one unexplained vote, and switched her vote saying she would explain the next day, but her only explanation was that other people suspected Pitch. Actually looks rather innocentish, but I still don't approve of badly-explained votes and hope to see more effort in the future.

Alona explained her vote very oddly, with the talk about thinking he was a cobbler, me making the same mistakes, etc.

more in a minute...

EDIT: X'd with Nienna and Alona. Accidentally quoted this post instead of editing, deleted double post, hope that's ok.

[Rikae]

No brownie points for thinking Pitch was innocent? ;)

Actually... a wolf would have more reason to think that than anyone else. :p


The reason I've been seeming to fly under the radar is because there was so much posting to wade through during Day 1. It made it hard for me to go back and try to sniff out someone who was consistently seeming suspicious to me, which is why I didn't post as much. Day 2 is easier because I'm around more and don't have work, but I am trying to hold my own in the debate now (I hope).

Fair enough. I wasn't really accusing you of posting too little, anyway, but just saying you were flying under my radar - that is to say, I hadn't been able to form an opinion on you because I'd focused on the controversial people/the people suspecting me etc.

I think Lari can back me up on this, if you ask her - I am a newbie at this, and as such, feel rather sad when I get votes. I just thought it nice that someone defended me, that's all. And now the votes are gathering for you and Mira - when I don't suspect either of you much of cobblery/wolvery/bear-ery - I feel I should try to stop another lynching that would put our numbers down.

I can understand that. I'm an "old" player (well, middle-aged to the likes of Form, Fea and Lommy), and I still don't like being voted for. That said, though, I defend people because I think the accusation is flawed, not to be nice (I like lots of people here, in fact, I married one, but I don't hesitate to accuse them when they look suspicious ;)).

[autume98]

Yes yes I apologized! See apology above.

All's forgiven. I had already posted and realized I had crossed with your post by that time. ;)

[autume98]

Autume made one unexplained vote, and switched her vote saying she would explain the next day, but her only explanation was that other people suspected Pitch. Actually looks rather innocentish, but I still don't approve of badly-explained votes and hope to see more effort in the future.


I learned a valuable lesson. I'll remember to leave explanations for the person I'm voting. I also will be more careful with my votes. I never intended to kill the Seer. It's just the way it happened.

[alonariel]

Actually... a wolf would have more reason to think that than anyone else. :p

I still feel crappy about losing a Seer, so my joy is short-lived. I just hope I can help derail a bandwaggon that might possibly kill another on of our gifteds in the future. I'm not sure how good I am at guessing people's roles - either just from feeling, or from clues they might leave. Again, still very new at all of this.

I can understand that. I'm an "old" player (well, middle-aged to the likes of Form, Fea and Lommy), and I still don't like being voted for. That said, though, I defend people because I think the accusation is flawed, not to be nice (I like lots of people here, in fact, I married one, but I don't hesitate to accuse them when they look suspicious ;)).

Understood, about pointing out flawed accusations. And I've heard - about the little Wereduckling too! Happy for ya :)

[Formendacil]

Okay, I have again been banished to the computer to make up items in mockery of 50 years. And don't think I haven't volunteered for this! I could have been playing Kanasta, but there are more important things afoot.

Let's take a look at our list of the living, and see what my general impressions are.

alonariel Very little substance as yet. She has at least the face value of making an effort to be useful, but fairly little to go by. In her favour, this could be the result of lack of time--and yesterday, Day 1, I'm hardly one to fault.
autume Suffers, even more than Alona, from having not said much. In her case, this doesn't have the connotation of trying to fly under the radar--but possibly that's because she's actually doing it.
Brinn Seems a bit quieter than usual, but that might be because Day 1 was so excessively noisy yesterday, and I think she's usually on closer to the Deadline. Not suspicious yet, but definitely not going to trust her.
Durelin Oddly, Dury seems really quiet. I'm not sure if this is just a case of too much noise, ala the hypothesis re: Brinn, but she's just really under my radar. Apart from distrusting under-the-radar types, I can't come up with a reason not to trust her.
Formendacil That's me. I trust me complicitly. :p
Inziladun I've never played with him, but my vibe from other games I was not a part of makes me wary on principle, and I'm not sure I agree with what he says... but agreement or disagreement isn't necessarily a reason to suspect somebody. *thinks about Nogrod*
Lommy Hasn't been around much. For better or for worse, this is effectively giving her a pass for now.
Macalaure Makes sense for the most part, and is not raising alarms, but, in the opposite of Inziladun's case, that's not necessarily a reason to trust him.
Mira Has been on the quieter side, for this village. She's accumulated a considerable share of suspicion from the village thus far, considering, but I can't quite suspect her. On the other hand, I'm not at all convinced of her innocence. Maybe it's a false sense of safety that says "Mira can't be all that dangerous, even if she's all that bad"--if that makes any sense, it's a really good power to have harnessed, on her part.
Morm I'm disappointed he's not going to be around today, since I tend to need lots of Mormery to decide if he's innocent or dangerous... but he hasn't rung the alarm bells yet--possibly a suspicious thing where Morm is concerned.
Nerwen Has said enough that I feel she's participating, but not enough that I have a gut feeling about her--a problem of the Timezones, no doubt, but problematic in a game played half by one's gut.
Nessa Heh. My vote yesterday on faulty information that Rikae had voted for her. I'm still more inclined to think her guilty than not, but she's said little enough that I can't say I have a reason "why" and I don't know her well enough to have an idea what's normal for her.
Nienna Well, given that most of my recent experience with her (last game) was all coloured in with the fact we were Lovers, I'm not sure I know what's normal for her... but she isn't raising any alarms. That inclines me to think she's innocent, but she's also not really said enough to go off.
Rikae I've been tying myself rather strongly--toDay and yesterDay--to my belief that Rikae is innocent, and while my gut still sticks with that, my brain had the mental twinge of "what if she's guilty?" that I might just be that one ordo who falls for the convincing arguments of the wolf. Well, if so, I guess that's where we are today.
sally Has not been as entertaining as I want--or said as much usefully. Somehow, I think a quiet Sally is an Ordo-Sally, but I'm not ready to trust her quite yet.
Shasta ToDay, contrary to past traditions, I'm comfortable with everything Shasta has said. Of course, he's said very little and intimated he won't say much more today. In hindsight, given that last game he was a Cobbler and I was a Lover, it's possible I'm over-evaluating how much I distrust him on the strength of muddled memories (Shasta's not quite an old-timer in the sense that Boro or Morm are, and my playing is definitely slanted in the direction of 2006ish. All the same, though he's not alerting me just yet, I can't say I trust him.
the phantom I don't trust the phantom at all. Of course, that doesn't mean anything. One should never trust the phantom unless you get to PM him at Night or during the Day, and in that case you should let him guide your every move. Stepping aside from that formidable legend, however, he seems less committed than usual. Is that a ploy? A sign he's not a wolf? Real life? Real Life seems most credible, and I'm willing to put it down to Ordonariness too, but I still don't trust him.

Another post in a bit to see where this puts me (after I make that birthday thing... :p )

[Formendacil]

So, on the basis of the previous list, here is the rough breakdown of the village:

Innocent:
Formendacil :smokin:

Not Suspicious:
Macalaure
Mirandir
Nienna
Rikae

Keeping on My Radar:
Inziladun
Nessa
the phantom

Hasn't Said Enough to Have a Trustworthy Feeling*:
Alona
autume
Brinn
Durelin
Lommy
Morm
Nerwen
Sally
Shasta

*All categories, of course, are completely in relation to my subjective view.

Irony of ironies, maybe, the three people I put in my "Radar" category don't really strike me as suspicious... so much as I'd be happy of knowing for sure what their role is.:rolleyes:

[Formendacil]

Okay, I'm off again. Back sometime later--if only to make a vote, but the way things are going today, I'll probably be more involved than that.

[autume98]

I'm not sure how good I am at guessing people's roles - either just from feeling, or from clues they might leave. Again, still very new at all of this.

Alona I couldn't have said it better. I feel exactly the same way.

[alonariel]

Alona I couldn't have said it better. I feel exactly the same way.

It's the sad truth, huh? But I'm glad someone's on - I've got several hours of nothing to do until the deadline.

[the phantom]

I'm home now and I've mostly skimmed that stuff that has happened since last night.

Would someone be so kind as to tell me why Mira is suspicious? I saw Shasta claim that she had been "pointing out gifteds". When did she do that?

Was he talking about when she said that maybe I was Gifted and could PM with Pitch?

Well, first off, she'd already named me as the most likely dream possibility, so she had already signed my death warrant at that point. Baddies do not ever leave around dreamed-of innocents. So maybe she figured she might as well tell the full story?

Not to mention the fact that she was completely wrong in thinking Gifteds could PM, and I'm not Gifted anyway so no harm done.

And if she's the Bear or a Villain, why bother saying something like that? It's a rather stupid slip up to make. If she was a Baddie suspecting me of being Gifted she could either try to get me lynched, or she could take the opposite route and defend me during the day and just off me at night. Much simpler and makes more sense.

The only Baddie who might feel compelled to point out a Gifted would be the Cobbler, for he is the only Baddie who has no say in Night kills. So if you really think she's pointing out Gifteds on purpose, wouldn't you agree that such behavior screams Cobbler rather than Villain or Bear? Or maybe I'm missing something due to my lack of careful reading.

Anyway... I'll be back later after I've fed and watered myself. Very worn out here.

One last thing- did Shasta ever explain his absurd vote for Pitch yesterday? The precise reason he gave for voting for him was that Pitch was trying to discourage the Bear from killing the Wolves based on the reaction he gave to my Bear-ally statements.

First, that wasn't even true. Pitch said the Bear could only ally for a little while, which really wasn't disagreeing with me at all. I had pretty much said the same thing.

And second, there were in fact others who had in multiple posts overtly displayed the feelings that Shasta claimed he was so terribly suspicious of, so... um, why not vote for them? You know- the people who were actually doing what you said was suspicious.

What he did was no different than me saying, "Posting a lot is suspicious!" and then skipping over the actual high posters and voting for Durelin. Just plain weird.

[alonariel]

Why would the bear kill Hakon, when (as I pointed out earlier) a few people, myself included, thought he could be the bear? If it was me I'd love to leave someone around who looked suspicious (which is I think why I don't get Night killed most of the time) so attention would be drawn away from myself. So what in the name of Joss Whedon (♥) was the bear thinking? Was it random? Did they, as someone's pointed out recently, think that Hakon had perhaps picked them out? Did they fancy him for the seer? Was it just to mess with our heads?

I'm not sure if someone has answered your query already, but...

Theories:

1) I doubt (sorry, Hakon) that Hakon sniffed out the bear as early as he said he had a new suspect in mind. It was Day 1, very early, and - though I didn't want to rely on his newbie status to discount him from being crafty - I think, since we know he was an ordo, it was the case this time. This makes those that accused him of being the bear without much reason seem suspicious.

2) Killing Hakon might have been a simply trail-less kill for Day 1. In which case, we're left with pretty much nothing until Day 3.

3) S/he might have simply been annoyed with Hakon and wanted him out of the game so as not to cause the bear any more headaches. I would say that points the finger at those who were arguing with him, but I'm thinking the bear would be more sneaky - and that Boro would choose a more sneaky bear for his and wilwa's game.

4) The way Hakon was acting, by drawing so much attention - in addition to my comment as him seeming cobblerish (apologies, there) - might have made the bear think he was the cobbler. So then his strategy might be: kill off the helper, save the wolves for later, maybe?

[satansaloser2005]

Morm and Sally locked their votes in weirdly, wasting any chance to retract - really, both ought to explain

I locked in my vote early because I didn't expect to be back before the DL (or at least not much before it) and didn't want people worrying about whether I was going to change my vote. If I'd have known I would be back so early I probably wouldn't have locked it in. Hope that clears things up.


Sorry, but I still have that blasted headache (by the way, Nerwen, could you lay off the backwards for the rest of the Day? I read like one post of yours and the headache came back with a vengeance. Thanks!) and I have to go see my mother. Here's a quick rundown and a (possibly, though I'm not promising) placeholding vote, in case I fall asleep later or just can't get back to the Downs.

Phantom seemed reasonable, if not Phantom-esque, yesterDay, and toDay he seems to be enjoying rubbing our noses in it. Can't blame him, but....meh. Goes on the innocent list, for now at least.

Formie seems innocent to me but, as he was the only person I didn't 'catch' in the last game, I'm not sure if my read on him is right.

Wilwa smells like....well, like something smelly. ;)

Boro likes to rub his food in our face, figuratively speaking of course. LYNCH! :p

Nessa seems reasonable yet I'm not sure. I'll have to look at her again.

Rikae has more posts than me. This is unacceptable. Other than that I'm not sure how I feel about her, honestly.

Morm makes me squirmy. Please (no really, please) correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he vote for Hakon yesterDay? And then toDay say that it was so stupid for the rest of us to vote for Hakon? (Horrible summary, but you get the idea.) Seems....wow, it seems so very wrong. See below.

++Morm

Erm....I had something else but I lost it, so I'm just going to go. I'll hopefully be back later.


EDIT in advance: x'd since Alona and Tum's exchange

[autume98]

Here are my thoughts so far:

alonariel- Right now she is not on my suspect list.
Brinn- Don't have an opinion at this time.
Durelin- Haven't heard much from so don't know what to think, and I've never played with before.
Inziladun- Don't agree with everything he says, but that's not a reason to lynch him. I will be keeping an eye on him though.
Lommy- I don't know well enough to form an opinion. Also my first time playing with Lommy.
Macalaure- Has made some good points. So for right now is not on my suspect list
Mira- Keeping an eye on. I don't have enough to put her on my suspect list. However her comment earlier does make me feel a little unsettled, but it could just have been an innocent slip.
morm- It's my first time playing with morm. I didn't see anything that stood out.
Nerwen- Was happy to see posts no longer written backwards, however I do like the occasional heading with backwards words. Other than that nothing has stood out so far.
Nessa- I don't have anything that stands out with Nessa.
Nienna- I don't really have anything that stands out with Nienna eihter. She seems to be ok.
Rikae- So far I've agreed with what she has said. She seems to be making sense to me. I do know she has a reputation, which would be why I wouldn't trust her. ;)
sally- I don't think she's suspicious at this time. It will be nice to hear from her when she gets back, I know she said she was going to be with her mom today.
Shasta- Not sure what to think. Another person I'm going to be keeping an eye on.
the phantom- not really sure what to think at this time. I could see him being both good or evil. Someone I'll be keeping a close eye on.

So with the Hakon/Pitchwife votes:
Hakon voters:
-Morm
-Alona
-Sally
-Autume (later retracted and sealed Pitchwife’s demise)

Pitchwife voters
-Shasta
-Rikae
-Nienna
-Hakon
-Autume

The only person that has really stood out from this group for me is Shasta. Even then it's not a lot to go on. Basically he voted first for Pitchwife because of his first post and then today he has voted for Mira for pointing out gifteds. Really don't feel comfortable thought voting for him at this point.

So that pretty much leaves me with a whole lot of nothing. Guess I'll have to go back and do some more analyzing.

Edit: x'ed with two Alona and Phantom posts and a Sally post

[alonariel]

Morm makes me squirmy. Please (no really, please) correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he vote for Hakon yesterDay? And then toDay say that it was so stupid for the rest of us to vote for Hakon? (Horrible summary, but you get the idea.) Seems....wow, it seems so very wrong. See below.

++Morm

Sally, didn't you vote for Hakon right after I'd voted for Hakon? And today, voting for Morm after I have? Could be coincidence - just curious...

[autume98]

I would also like to hear from morm for reasons Alona had mentioned earlier. Kinda curious to hear what Mira has to say about for reasons that have been pointed out earlier. However I think both of them said that they would be busy.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally, didn't you vote for Hakon right after I'd voted for Hakon? And today, voting for Morm after I have? Could be coincidence - just curious...

Heh. Honestly, I didn't even realize you'd voted for Hakon yestderDay, if I remember correctly. (And by that I mean I didn't realize it when I voted, not I didn't notice it now, of course.) And toDay....well, yeah. I think he's tricksy mehbe, so I'd have voted him regardless. Coincidence. Unless of course you've also got the powers of mind control or something. And in that case, what are you doing hanging out with us losers? ;)


Home now (business at my mother's house so I didn't stay long) and now I shall hopefully crash, or at least escape the Downs for a while. Until later!

[Rikae]

And I've heard - about the little Wereduckling too! Happy for ya :)
Thanks! :)

Now, I've just seen a couple things that make me uneasy or just make me go "huh?":

- phantom is repeating what I said again. Not that what I said doesn't make sense, but I kind of would expect phantom to have something new to contribute, if you know what I mean.

- autume made a list in which she basically said she has no idea about anyone (except Mac, alona, Sally and Nienna, who are unsuspicious for no particular reason). What is that supposed to accomplish...??

- alona and autume seem eerily buddy-buddy, somehow.

- alona still pushing the theory the bear killed Hakon out of annoyance, and seems to be drawing on things in the admin thread (things, incidentally, which should never have been posted, being against the rules, but which are irrelevant anyway, since the dead don't gain any special information). If there's a setup going on, that would appear to be an attempt to complete it. I don't think I need to say why the "angry bear" theory is off the wall - I wouldn't insult any player here by saying that they were irrational enough to do such a thing in the precarious position of a lone bear... but yeah. It seems to keep coming up, and it looks oddly planned. Like someone behind the scenes gave instructions to that effect or something.

[Formendacil]

- alona and autume seem eerily buddy-buddy, somehow.

Just a really quick stop-in (we haz FIRE!!!) before supper.

Mostly just keeping up-to-date with the discussion, but the above-quoted comment of Rikae's seems spot-on to me. And it is eerie, but I'm wondering to what extent it's not just the fact that they aren't both relatively new, talk about as much, both have names starting in "A," and have yet to distinguish themselves properly in my mind?

That being said, they DID reinforce it themselves with Alona's explanation of herself being picked up on by Tum as "yes, exactly."

Still... this need not mean anything. I really can't see them both being wolves on the strength of it, and it seems clumsy for one wolf to draw that kind of attention to herself--and though new, neither of these girls seems that clumsy.

Not certain of anything on the basis of it... but, yes, I agree with Rikae that it seems a bit odd.

[alonariel]

- alona and autume seem eerily buddy-buddy, somehow.

We've got being newbies to bond over, I guess. Other than that, all I know of her is that she's Sally's friend (I'm pretty sure).

- alona still pushing the theory the bear killed Hakon out of annoyance, and seems to be drawing on things in the admin thread (things, incidentally, which should never have been posted, being against the rules, but which are irrelevant anyway, since the dead don't gain any special information). If there's a setup going on, that would appear to be an attempt to complete it. I don't think I need to say why the "angry bear" theory is off the wall - I wouldn't insult any player here by saying that they were irrational enough to do such a thing in the precarious position of a lone bear... but yeah. It seems to keep coming up, and it looks oddly planned. Like someone behind the scenes gave instructions to that effect or something.

I posted my theories about the bear out of boredom, really. I've been home since about 1pm pst with nothing to do, looked over old posts, found Sally's questions about the bear (and her request to be analyzed by Mira), and just thought it would help and give something for me to do.

[Rikae]

Well, I definitely don't think they're sheriffs, at any rate.

EDIT: X'd with alona, replying to Form.

[autume98]

Now, I've just seen a couple things that make me uneasy or just make me go "huh?":

- autume made a list in which she basically said she has no idea about anyone (except Mac, alona, Sally and Nienna, who are unsuspicious for no particular reason). What is that supposed to accomplish...??

- alona and autume seem eerily buddy-buddy, somehow.


Well I made a list trying to help me figure out where I stand with people, and at the same time letting others know where I stand. As for the four you mentioned. I was just pointing out that I don't find them highly suspicious. Obviously everyone is suspicous. These ones just haven't tipped off my radar. Hope that helps. Not sure what you're looking for.

As for alona and I being buddy-buddy, I can say that it's nice having someone else who's new on the board as well. So I just replied letting her know that's how I felt too.

Edit: x-ed with Form, Alona, and Rikae

[Inziladun]

I probably won't be back before DL, so I must decide on my vote soon.

I have a question or two for Mormegil. I don't think he ever said why he locked in his vote for Hakon so early. Why was it necessary? He seemed to do it for spite after Hakon asked him to retract. Sally did attempt to explain why she did so, even if I don't agree with the logic. And Morm has voted for Rikae, saying Rikae and Tum should both be lynched just to clear confusion. Surely there must be a more valid reason to vote for someone by Day 2.
That said, I still don't trust Rikae. I suppose mainly what pings my radar today on her is what I've seen as an overly defensive posture at times. Seems to have cooled down lately though.

Of course, she and Morm could be Bear and Wolf for all I know.

Tum's last minute switch to Pitchwife I find hard to fault, as I was close to doing the same thing.

Mira's slip was bad, but is it worth a vote? Two already think so....

[Rikae]

autume, what I want to know is why you find those people innocentish (for example).

[Rikae]

Calling two people "Tum" is slightly confusing... ;)

[Inziladun]

++Mormegil

[Lariren Shadow]

*kindly directs the Dark Monarch to fly to the blue light that is totally not a bug zapper, really not*

Mira --> Rikae
Shasta --> Mira
Morm --> Rikae (2)
Alona --> Morm
Nerwen --> Mira (2)
Sally --> Morm (2)
Inzil --> Morm (3)

Morm 3, Mira and Rikae 2.

Left to vote:
Autume
Brinn
Durelin
Form
Lommy
Mac
Nessa
Nienna
Rikae
the phantom

[autume98]

autume, what I want to know is why you find those people innocentish (for example).

Mac - Well he hasn't said anything that has thrown me off. He's asked some good questions. I have noticed that he's gone under most of people's radar. However he really hasn't done or said anything to attract a lot of attention.

alona - Maybe it has to do with us both being newbies. I see where she's coming from a lot of the time.

sally - I know a lot of people are suspicious of her just for being her. It seems there are quite a lot of people on the board like that. You just don't trust them. I guess she hasn't done anything to make my gut flare up. Maybe not the answer you want, but it is the answer I've got.

Nienna - I appreciate the fact that she wanted to know about my vote. Even though I had posted it awhile back. It seems as though she just overlooked that post. She apologized and all is good. I guess that just put her in a good standing for the time being. Can't say it'll stay that way, but for the time being she is ok.

[the phantom]

rhinoceros

I'm hardly having any time to read here, so would anyone be so kind as to tell me why Morm is attracting votes?

rhinoceros

And I agree that it's confusing have Tum and Tummy. I suppose if we have no better options we should lynch her just to get rid of that problem.

rhinoceros

And really Rikae- that last post I was basically repeating you? So you also questioned Shasta about his vote and said that Mira looked guilty of nothing but Cobblery? If so then I'm sorry for not reading more thoroughly. Like I said I'm only having time to skim.

rhinoceros

And if you're wondering why I keep saying rhinoceros, it's due to Nienna's word clouds. If I keep typing rhinoceros then rhinoceros will show up decently large in the cloud, and it would be extremely funny to see rhinoceros prominently displayed. And along the same lines as rhinoceros...

pudding pudding pudding pudding pudding pudding pudding pudding pudding pudding pudding pudding pudding pudding pudding pudding

[Boromir88]

rhinoceros pudding...:eek: doesn't sound appetizing.

[Thinlómien]

It took me longer than I expected but I'm here now and I'm reading...

[satansaloser2005]

*refreshes, glances up*

Or we could just lynch Morm, since he's the only one who calls you Tummy on a regular basis. Or we could lynch all three of you and be done with it completely.:p

*giggles, sees Phantom's clever plan*

Heh. I bloody love you.

*yawns*

Unfortunately, I have no funny words to offer right now. This saddens me.

*falls asleep again*

EDIT: x'd with Boro and Lommie. Penguin pudding, on the other hand....

penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin penguin yay!

[Macalaure]

While I don't really trust him either, starting a bandwaggon against morm when he's not here to defend himself looks very much like a mistake we made just recently.

Very suspicious in this regard: Inzil. In the last post before his vote he throws a question at morm, knowing it can't be answered and thus intentionally making it an open question. The vote follows minutes after.

I'm really not sure what to think about Sally's vote for him

Again about Inzil:

Mira's slip was bad, but is it worth a vote? Two already think so....

He elegantly avoids stating whether he think it's worth a vote, leaving only a rhetoric statement creating more of an atmosphere of suspicion against Mira, since as a wolf he doesn't care much whether non-wolf morm or non-wolf Mira get lynched.

Add the things I said about him before, here's a good bandwaggon for you:

++Inziladun

[alonariel]

I'm hardly having any time to read here, so would anyone be so kind as to tell me why Morm is attracting votes?

I was suspicious of Morm for piggy-backing on Mira's vote for Rikae, though I'm thinking of retracting since Mira said that her vote wasn't certain to begin with. Sally said that he made her squirm and Zil had a few questions for Morm, but voted for him anyway in his next post.

[Rikae]

And really Rikae- that last post I was basically repeating you? So you also questioned Shasta about his vote and said that Mira looked guilty of nothing but Cobblery?

Yes, actually, I did. :rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

Does anyone love me enough to snag me a vote count from yesterDay as well as an updated one from toDay, so's I can compare them? Please?

:Merisu:

I'd be forever grateful, no joke. If not I'll try to drum it up when I get back up, but if someone could it would be fabulous.

Also, Mac, I quite agree about Dun. I'll give him another look, it's just that Morm was bothering me at the time and I thought that way if for some reason I don't get back I'm at least stuck on a vote that I'm comfortable with. Don't be surprised if I do end up switching though, especially if it's to Dun.


*crashes*

[Nienna]

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs169.snc1/6329_517899154498_71700994_30957142_2555913_n.jpg

[Rikae]

I was suspicious of Morm for piggy-backing on Mira's vote for Rikae, though I'm thinking of retracting since Mira said that her vote wasn't certain to begin with. Sally said that he made her squirm and Zil had a few questions for Morm, but voted for him anyway in his next post.

Am I reading this wrong? It sounds like you're considering backing off your morm vote because Mira might back off her vote for me... what does that have to do with morm? Just wondering.

[Nienna]

Vote count Day One:

Rikae--> Rikae
Form--> Mira
Morm--> Hakon
Alona--> Hakon
Sally--> Hakon
Brinn--> Morm
Autume--> Hakon
--Rikae---Rikae
--Form---Mira
Shasta --> Pitchwife
Mac --> Alona
Durelin --> Nessa
Pitchwife --> Alona
Zil --> Rikae
--Pitchwife -- Alona
Pitchwife --> Sally
Rikae --> Pitchwife
Nessa --> Rikae
Nienna --> Pitchwife
Form --> Nessa
Lari --> Zil
Hakon --> Pitchwife
--Mac -- Alona
Mac --> Zil
--Autume -- Hakcon
Autume --> Pitchwife


So Pitchwife5, Hakon 3, Rikae, Zil and Nessa 2, Sally, and Morm 1.




ToDay's Count:

Mira --> Rikae
Shasta --> Mira
Morm --> Rikae
Alona --> Morm
Nerwen--> Mira
Sally--> Morm
Zil --> Morm
Mac--> Zil

Morm 3, Rikaeand Mira 2, Zil 1

[Rikae]

And - phantom shows up and asks why morm is suspicious, and immediately both Alona and Sally talk about switching? Not that I'm determined to see morm lynched - I find him only a bit suspicious - but that is just weird, weird weirdness.

[alonariel]

Am I reading this wrong? It sounds like you're considering backing off your morm vote because Mira might back off her vote for me... what does that have to do with morm? Just wondering.

I thought Morm for suspicious for jumping on a bandwaggon so early on--

Wait, scratch that. You're right. It has nothing to do with him. If I do retract, it'll be after he's had a chance to post and answer things first, and then see where things stand.

[alonariel]

And - phantom shows up and asks why morm is suspicious, and immediately both Alona and Sally talk about switching? Not that I'm determined to see morm lynched - I find him only a bit suspicious - but that is just weird, weird weirdness.

I'd already stated in my vote post that I may retract later, since I voted relatively early in the Day.

[Nienna]

The Non-Hakon/Pitchwife voters:

Brinn: not very much to go by… she isn’t ringing any alarm bells

Dury: I wish she would post more

Form: Has said a lot but am not sure if he has really said anything

Zil: He is making me a little uneasy. It may be just the way he was defending himself but something rubs me the wrong way. I’ll keep my eyes on him.

Lommy: has been having fun with Downers without us… but nothing suspicious on the game front

Mac: Seems to be making a lot of sense in what he posts

Mira: Made some mistakes but she doesn’t feel like a baddie

Nerwen: I’m trying to remember anything she’s said… except backwards writing and am coming up sort

Nessa: See Nerwen - backwards writing

The Phantom: I have no idea… but likes my word clouds so I temporarily like him if only for superficial reasons

[Lariren Shadow]

ToDay's Count:

Mira --> Rikae
Shasta --> Mira
Morm --> Rikae
Alona --> Morm
Nerwen--> Mira
Sally--> Morm
Zil --> Morm
Mac--> Zil

Morm 3, Rikaeand Mira 2, Zil 1

I was going to do that! I was waiting for another vote!:mad: Stop stealing my job!:p

And the Dark Monarch is a mountain of mad flesh.:p

[Rikae]

Hm, well, for all the reasons I've listed before (take that, whoever summarizes the votes toMorrow! Haha!) and because I heard she was once unkind to a capybara:

++alonariel

The capybara (Hydrochoerus Hydrochaeris) is an amazing rodent. I first encountered a capybara in 1983, and I have never forgotten the fascinating creature with it's delightful name: capybara. The sound of it just rolls off your tongue: Capybara, capybara, capybara, see? When people ask my favorite animal, I enjoy answering "capybara", because they are bound to think "capybara? What the heck is a capybara?" and I can score points for randomness and uniqueness and perhaps win a pet capybara of my very own.

[Rikae]

And because I've seen confusion created by my votes-with-jokes-included before, I'll explain:
It is not a joke vote - it is a vote based on analysis and suspicion outlined in previous posts, and the fact that alona's responses have not reduced that suspicion - (in fact, they have a smooth and slippery feel about them) - which I chose to post in conjunction with a joke. There you go. ;)

[alonariel]

Hm, well, for all the reasons I've listed before (take that, whoever summarizes the votes toMorrow! Haha!) and because I heard she was once unkind to a capybara:

++alonariel

Capybara?

[Lariren Shadow]

Mira --> Rikae
Shasta --> Mira
Morm --> Rikae (2)
Alona --> Morm
Nerwen --> Mira (2)
Sally --> Morm (2)
Inzil --> Morm (3)
Mac --> Inzil
Rikae --> Alona

Morm 3, Mira and Rikae 2, Inzil and Alona 1.

Left to vote:
Autume
Brinn
Durelin
Form
Lommy
Nessa
Nienna
the phantom

[autume98]

While I don't really trust him either, starting a bandwaggon against morm when he's not here to defend himself looks very much like a mistake we made just recently.

Very suspicious in this regard: Inzil. In the last post before his vote he throws a question at morm, knowing it can't be answered and thus intentionally making it an open question. The vote follows minutes after.

I'm really not sure what to think about Sally's vote for him

Again about Inzil:
Mira's slip was bad, but is it worth a vote? Two already think so....

He elegantly avoids stating whether he think it's worth a vote, leaving only a rhetoric statement creating more of an atmosphere of suspicion against Mira, since as a wolf he doesn't care much whether non-wolf morm or non-wolf Mira get lynched.

Add the things I said about him before, here's a good bandwaggon for you:

++Inziladun

I really agree with you Mac and I would like to know why he voted for morm. Only it doesn't sound like he'll be back before DL as you can see below. So where do you stand with Inzil not being able to defend himself?

I probably won't be back before DL, so I must decide on my vote soon.

Edit: x-ed with 2 Rikae's, Alona, and Lari

[alonariel]

And because I've seen confusion created by my votes-with-jokes-included before, I'll explain:
It is not a joke vote - it is a vote based on analysis and suspicion outlined in previous posts, and the fact that alona's responses have not reduced that suspicion - (in fact, they have a smooth and slippery feel about them) - which I chose to post in conjunction with a joke. There you go. ;)

Okay, because for a sec I thought you were trying to hint to the wolves that you were the rat - the cobbler, in effect. But I respect your vote, even if it does leave me a little blue. :(

[alonariel]

I really agree with you Mac and I would like to know why he voted for morm. Only it doesn't sound like he'll be back before DL as you can see below. So where do you stand with Inzil not being able to defend himself?

I'm wondering if it wasn't a very, very sneaky ploy. No one will talk about him because he's not here to defend himself, so there won't be any further suspicion surrounding him. In any event, I'm not going to do anything with my vote until Morm returns and/or Inziladun, now, I guess.

[the phantom]

Nienna- you didn't include my Day 1 vote. And I like that cloud. Thanks.

Okay, so, Morm...

*thinks*

Nah, not going to vote for him today.

And I can't possibly vote for Brin after that post she made including lyrics sung by yours truly. Yeah. We should just let her win after that.

Hmm... I'm tempted to repeat my vote from yesterday for Rikae. Unless she's the Bear she aint going to live long anyway. After her constant attempts to discredit my Bear-should-kill-Wolves-and-Cobbler plan, and after her opening self vote ("Hi there! Cobbler here!"), the Bear has got to suspect her at least a little bit of being on the opposing side and I can't imagine him resisting taking a shot at her for long.

But again that's an equally good reason not to bother voting for her, because why waste a vote when she stands a good shot of being Night-killed anyway?

So maybe I wouldn't mind throwing a fresh log onto the lynching pile.

Any volunteers?

[satansaloser2005]

Pick me, pick me! Pfffft, right.

[Macalaure]

I really agree with you Mac and I would like to know why he voted for morm. Only it doesn't sound like he'll be back before DL as you can see below. So where do you stand with Inzil not being able to defend himself?

Obviously, it's a pity he doesn't get to defend himself against the things brought up against the things he said in his last two posts. However, those aren't the only things he's suspected for, and he had time to defend himself against those.

Some people are never around for the deadline due to time zones and schedules. It can't be helped, and of course those people can't get a free pass forever.

On Day1 it's particularly difficult, and each time suspicion only comes up for the first time after a person has left. Both is not the case here.

Also, Inzil himself chose to vote for someone who wouldn't be back, and he didn't just state his reasons, but asked questions (minutes before his vote, so even if he was unaware that morm was gone, he still knew beforehand that his question wouldn't be answered before his vote).

Enough? :)

[Rikae]

Okay, because for a sec I thought you were trying to hint to the wolves that you were the rat - the cobbler, in effect. Balderdash! A capybara is not a rat! You have besmirched the name of a most honorable animal!
But I respect your vote, even if it does leave me a little blue. :(
Sorry about that and nothing personal - I have to go with my strongest suspicion, you know. Sorry if you're innocent (I haven't played with you before, too, so I don't know your usual style).

I might switch at some point; if so, Inzil is a strong candidate. As for not being around until DL, he is still one of the most suspicious people and, if he were gifted, I think he would have the sense not to leave his fate dangling by being gone so long, but to at least check in.
I'm wary about the risk of lynching a gifted, but I'm also wary about the possibility "excusing themselves" might be an easy way for baddies to avoid lynching. We'll see. I also might have to switch to save myself, I'm afraid.

EDIT: Crossed with alona, phantom, Sally and Mac.

[Thinlómien]

Okay, now I managed to read through Day1 and these are the impressions I got based on it:

alonariel - cute avvie, but I still keep mixing her up with all the other newbies and half of Fea's gang
autume- not much to go on, slightly fishy (ha!) when switching her vote
Brinn- really touchy feely, whether due to a stressing role (werebear, anyone?) or bad day, no idea
Durelin- I like her
Formendacil- I like him
Inziladun- quite okay this far, I don't get the suspicion against him
Macalaure- not quite as suspicious as last time I played with him ;) (translation for those who missed Brinn's game: seems fine this far, was a wolf last time and I totally caught him, speaking of which, I still have some reps to give out for that one...)
Mira- the banter-girl
morm- good ol' grumpy morm, I like him :D
Nerwen- when reading her posts I realised I missed her jokes when I was away from BD for several weeks... so it may be biased when I say she seems fine
Nessa- don't get why everybody suspects her
Nienna- totally under the radar
Rikae- could take a relaxing holiday (maybe together with Brinn, aww, wouldn't that be sweet? :D) and looks a bit suspicious to me
sally- innocent enough
Shasta- gives me bad vibes
the phantom- messing around as usual

Now I'm off to read toDay. I will comment as I read in order to save time so sorry if I end up parroting people!

[the phantom]

That's the second time you've volunteered Sally. One more time and by Werewolf rules we'll have to lynch you. Be careful.

What's that you say, Shasta? You'd like to volunteer? Well, I'd love to help you out, but Sally said it first. She has to refuse before you can offer yourself. Sorry.

[satansaloser2005]

That's the second time you've volunteered Sally. One more time and by Werewolf rules we'll have to lynch you. Be careful.

What's that you say, Shasta? You'd like to volunteer? Well, I'd love to help you out, but Sally said it first. She has to refuse before you can offer yourself. Sorry.

Hey, I did say yesterDay that if a gifted was in trouble then better me than them. I'm not going to die just to satisfy your bloodlust, darling. And I'd be more than happy to let Shasta go in front of me. He owes me one. ;)

Oh, and by the way?

She has to refuse before you can offer yourself. Sorry.

Where's the Dark Monarch when we need her?

[autume98]

Enough? :)

Works for me. :) I'm tempted to vote for him myself. I really don't like what he just did.

I might switch at some point; if so, Inzil is a strong candidate. As for not being around until DL, he is still one of the most suspicious people and, if he were gifted, I think he would have the sense not to leave his fate dangling by being gone so long, but to at least check in.
I'm wary about the risk of lynching a gifted, but I'm also wary about the possibility "excusing themselves" might be an easy way for baddies to avoid lynching.

That's why I'm not sure whether to vote for him or not. Especially after yesterday.

Edit: x-ed with Tummy, phantom, and sally

[satansaloser2005]

Edit: x-ed with Tummy, phantom, and sally

You crossed with Phantom twice? That means you've double crossed him. Inconceivable!

(I'm sorry, I'm so sorry, but it was too good to pass up.)


Oh, and Lommie's back. Yay!

[autume98]

[QUOTE=satansaloser2005;607369]You crossed with Phantom twice? That means you've double crossed him. Inconceivable!

(I'm sorry, I'm so sorry, but it was too good to pass up.)
QUOTE]

Well somebody had to do it! :p

[autume98]

I've taken a closer look at Inzil and I'm going to have to vote for him. He seems to be looking pretty suspicious.

1. I've had nothing against Rikae up to this point. I don't really like the way he went after Rikae or Mac earlier toDay. Nothing wrong in doing that. To me it just didn't look right.

2. He throws out some suspicions and doesn't back them up.

3. He asks a question of morm when morm isn't around to answer. Then goes ahead and votes for morm without explaining why.

4. After yesterday I'd rather get this vote in now and not be the deciding factor in killing a Gifted.

++Inzil

[the phantom]

Completely forgot to mention it earlier-

I saw some people saying stuff about how maybe Hakon had spotted the Bear, or that the Bear was worried he'd been spotted by him, or that Haky was blackmailing him, etc etc.

No, no, no. You can't really spot a Bear. A Bear has no special links to anyone and simply wants to not die. Just like the Ranger. And the Hunter. And every last Ordo in this gathering. He blends in. Kills can maybe clue you in on the Bear, but his behavior during the day? There's no reason for him to be any different than everyone else. And especially to even think the Bear would be spotted with any kind of certainty on the first day? And that he would actually be spooked about the possibilities of being nailed the first day? No, no, no... Not buying it at all.

Personally I would like to think that the Bear simply did us all a favor by killing one of the secondary lynch targets from the day before. Since we thought he was perhaps worthy of lynching, the Bear kills him and tells us what we need to know (his role, and therefore whether or not there was any sort of Villain-saving going on during the vote).

Perhaps old Teddy is indeed helping us catch the Villains.
Where's the Dark Monarch when we need her?
At her house getting ready for our date tonight.

[Lariren Shadow]

Mira --> Rikae
Shasta --> Mira
Morm --> Rikae (2)
Alona --> Morm
Nerwen --> Mira (2)
Sally --> Morm (2)
Inzil --> Morm (3)
Mac --> Inzil
Rikae --> Alona
Autume --> Inzil (2)

Morm 3, Mira, Rikae and Inzil 2, Alona 1.

Left to vote:
Brinn
Durelin
Form
Lommy
Nessa
Nienna
the phantom

[Nessa Telrunya]

Okay, wow, finally back to be able to read posts, and yay! Stuff with substance! That cures the aches from bad Elvis impersonators!


Soooo, there seem to be a lot of bandwagons to go with now, but they all sound sound. (Haha, get it?) But who really stands out?

Well, I would like to agree that alona and Tum are awfully cool with each other. But I still don't find Tum guilty, for earlier stated reasons. Alona seems a lil... Double sided this time around, I suppose. Her answers ring perfect when first read, but when pondered... could be wolf on innocent.

++alonariel

And I'm sorry that being voted for makes you feel so bad. :( Just know that this is coming from me only in-game. Nothing against you personally.

[the phantom]

Okay, so Alon and Tum are too chummy then? Is that what's going on?

Well first, have you made sure that they aren't BFF?

If so, then I suppose I could vote for Tum on the basis that one of her nick-names is too close to mine.

Still considering Rikae though. But maybe leaning Shasta overall. I wish he was here to yell at me and then maybe I'd get a better read on him.

[Thinlómien]

Oh yes, because if I were evil I would make a slip that obvious. Give me some credit here, Rikae.
I meant because she wasn't a wolf or the bearThis made me raise my eyebrows because it seems like both overreacting to a joke and a bad, hastily-made excuse.

I think the bear might have though Hakon was the cobbler (I would have agreed with him/her there!) and killed him because of that.

Rikae is making herself look like a cobbler.

What, Mira is speculating about gifted identities? What's that?! More cobblers!

Mac, the only other one who is pinging the radar is Sally. Yesterday and today she seems confident, it's not the right word but almost smug. Confidence isn't gained by being ordo or gifted.While I agree with you on principle, I think that what might look like confidence in sally's attitude is just a certain light-heartedness that is hard-wired in her very being.

Hey people, btw, if you quote someone, can you put the name (and the real name, not the role name!) of the quoted person there? Otherwise it's difficult, especially for those who need to read through quickly.

Rikae confuses me.

Mac has kind of double standards because he says some things should not be talked about and then he continues that himself.

I think we gave the wolves too much on Day 1 - an inundation of posts and then a lot of seemingly innocent-on-innocent voting/disagreements. I'm sure the wolves jumped on the bandwaggons - either doing it skillfully enough so as not to draw suspicion, or deciding to simply tack on their vote near the end of the Day. Either way, we're royally screwed if we don't start sniffing them out.Couldn't phrase it better. We'd really better catch a baddie toDay, especially as there are two kills per Night.

I skipped Mira's Hakon-analysis out of tiredness (sorry!) but read the conclusions and disagree. If a Rikaebear was seriously annoyed by some player, I think she could kill him just to be rid of him. I know she protests, which slightly alters my opinion but not totally because a) unless I'm mistaken, she has lied about never doing something before when being a baddie and more importantly b) if you have to survive through all of the game alone and someone is constantly attacking you and annoying you by that, it is perfectly honourable to kill them!

Oh, Nerwen seems to have summed the possible reasons to Hakon's death quite nicely.

Ai ai, I just realised that the death of seer doesn't only take from us the dreams, but also half of the evidence from the wolf-kills. I don't like this at all...

Argharghargh it's going phantocentric again! Hey people, can't we just treat him like we treat everybody else, please?

Rikae, love, please cool down. I like you personally.

++Mirandir for pointing out gifteds, which is how we caught Boro last game.Exactly, looks like she's trying to catch gifteds... which sadly probably only points at cobblerism, though. (Oops looks like morm said that before I wrote this part, too bad, I shoud read more carefully.)

Mmh I have played two games of RL ww recently and nailed every single wolf (Aganwolf & Legatewolf + Greeniewolf & Spawnwolf & nondownerwolf) but now I'm so much at loss looking at avatars instead of people's faces and having at least double the amount of players as before... and ok ok I'll stop gloating. :D

Lommy: has been having fun with Downers without us… but nothing suspicious on the game frontQuit whining and come to Finland next summer ;)

And just fyi, I will have xed with everyone. Off to read more!

[Macalaure]

No mention of Inziladun, phantom?

[Boromir88]

As an advanced warning...

I'm at the 'rents house for the week end, as they are away and I am on puppy-watching duty, and not all that thrilled. Erm...well the puppy-watching part is great, but they still have the worthless expensive piece of crap called AOL, and on top of that as they live in hick country, the only thing internet connection available out here is dial-up. Right now the 'net is being really sluggish. If I'm not on at the DL, I told wilwa to close down the day as soon as she can.

But, if it's not closed at 11, I expect silence. :D Anyone who is allowed can of course start their night time activities and one of us will be here as soon as possible to officially close the day and reveal the role of the person lynched. I would certainly hate to keep you all waiting too long :p

As a side note, since the Dark Monarch represnts all that is soul-less and wrong in the world, she must have invented AOL and dial-up.

[Macalaure]

Mac has kind of double standards because he says some things should not be talked about and then he continues that himself.

Hmm?

[Thinlómien]

I should really go to sleep as it's close to 5am here, but then again, I have already missed a lot of game, I can sleep tomorrow and I have no idea who to vote (I feel like maybe voting Shasta, but that's just gut-feeling and general impression stuff, and it's not Day1 anymore and we can't afford to be careless), so maybe I'll stick around until the deadline. Yay for staying awake until 6am!

edit: xed with Boro and Mac, added "until the deadline" in order to make more sense

[Durelin]

Howdy howdy...spent the day at the Ren Faire, so I'll be reading up and posting...as soon as I pick up my brother. ><

[the phantom]

No mention of Inziladun, phantom?
No. Mainly because you voted for him. You've been spookily absent from my mind this game and it's creepy. I thought I remembered talking with you and working with you etc in the past but I just totally haven't hit stride. Maybe it's my fault, maybe not. Not saying you're suspicious to me. To the contrary- I have no opinion of you.

So for today I'm going to not have anything to do with you or your primary suspect.

[Thinlómien]

Hmm?
Just referring to the Mira-slip incident. The comment maybe doesn't make any sense anymore since everybody started to talk about it anyway, but back when it occured to me it made more sense. But I guess the basic point remains that you brought the slip to spotlight by talking about it - even though the wolves would have (probably) noticed it anyway. You just handed it a bit fishily, that's all.

edit: xed with Dury and tp

[Formendacil]

I'm almost disappointed there has been so little posting toDay. Well, relative to yesterDay anyway. :rolleyes: Okay, not really--that'd mean I'd have a lot of catching up to do into an evening that has included fire, presents, and (thus far) three beers.

I'm pacing myself, but I might be a bit fuzzy anyway.:smokin:

Inziladun's vote for Morm, as noted several times already, has an odd--even malicious--air about it. Not necessarily a baddie's vote, I hasten to say, but it's not a particularly cooperative vote and the fact that Inzil was already on my "Radar" list means that he's pulled up to the head of my lynch-candidates race.

++ Inziladun

Obviously, I can retract and change, but it'll take quite the Last Hour argument to do that--especially with Beer #4 looming somewhere on the nearer rather than further horizon.:D

[the phantom]

Well, now that an admittedly drunk Formendacil has voted Inzil, I certainly can't jump onto that train.

See Mac. I just knew it wasn't for me. This is a sign. It confirms it.

[alonariel]

Yay for staying awake until 6am!

I admire your moxie, really. 6 AM? Whew. Don't think I could do that... By the way, cool sig :)

[Lariren Shadow]

Mira --> Rikae
Shasta --> Mira
Morm --> Rikae (2)
Alona --> Morm
Nerwen --> Mira (2)
Sally --> Morm (2)
Inzil --> Morm (3)
Mac --> Inzil
Rikae --> Alona
Autume --> Inzil (2)
Nessa --> Alona (2)
Form --> Inzil (3)

Morm and Inzil 3, Mira, Rikae and Alona 2.

Left to vote:
Brinn
Durelin
Lommy
Nienna
the phantom

[Formendacil]

Well, now that an admittedly drunk Formendacil has voted Inzil, I certainly can't jump onto that train.

phantom, love, you can't say that I'm drunk--all the cool Downers will think I'm a total lightweight! I'm more of an admittedly-buzzed Formendacil who has living flesh and blood people here that are kind of distracting him from the virtual reality. (See? I'm cool! I haz real life friends--okay... family. But still!)

Even tipsy would be a bit harsh, really. I'm not even mistyping more than usual.:smokin:

[Boromir88]

Yay for staying awake until 6am!

*passes Lommy a cup of coffee* For your dedication...fresh pot too. Hopefully you take it with cream and sugar :p

[Boromir88]

Even tipsy would be a bit harsh, really. I'm not even mistyping more than usual.:smokin:

Yeah sure...*passes Form powerade* That stuff works the best, restores your electrolites and what not. :p

[Macalaure]

I really hope the wolves have already voted. Five people with 3-2 votes is an open invitation to them. I think we could use some retractions at this point.

[Thinlómien]

Haha thanks guys :D but really, it's nothing much, I've done it before and besides there's not much difference between 4.40 (when I finished reading) and 6, is there?

I have the feeling I might have to skim through Inzil's posts just to find out why everybody suspects him. And maybe skimmng through Shasta's posts just to find out why I suspect him might be good too.

edit: xed with Mac - ooh yes, having a look a the vote tally could be a good idea... :rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

I'd rather not have this at a tie, but at the same time....oh, I don't know.

I did something to alleviate my boredom/spur me to decision. Shall post shortly. :)

[the phantom]

Or maybe I'll do what I threatened earlier and try my level best to make sure the score is tied at the end.

[Formendacil]

I really hope the wolves have already voted. Five people with 3-2 votes is an open invitation to them. I think we could use some retractions at this point.

Well, as things currently stand, I'm certainly not retracting. I'm uncertain about Inzil's guilt, but I'm even less certain about Morm's, and it seems really unsporting to kill off Morm when he can't even defend himself--and said so. Especially when Inzil, who should have known this and apparently took advantage of it, is still around looking suspicious.

*is sticking around for a bit, though--the family's not calling and after a longish day, a touch of quiet is somewhat relieving*

[Thinlómien]

Morm and Inzil 3, Mira, Rikae and Alona 2.
To me, morm looks innocentish.

I don't see the case on Inzil, but that might be just because I haven't been reading the thead so thoroughly.

Mira looks cobblerish, but she could as well be a silly ordo.

I kind of suspect Rikae, but then again, I start getting bad vibes of her everytime she gets irritated so I should have to try to figure out if I suspect her only because of that or generally.

Alona is more or less completely under my radar.


edit: xed with the three

[satansaloser2005]

Phantom, love, you should have seen this coming....


Ladies and Gentlemen, this is Phantom's voting jive.

One, two, three, four, five, everybody on the thread well come on it's time.....
To make voting posts 'fore it's too late.
I've got some thoughts but I wanna let them marinate.
Let's not mess up like we did yesterDay.
Me like a vote? There ain't no way!
I like Durelin, Alona, Lommie, not Rikae.
And as I keep thinkin', you know they're missin' Pitchie.
So what can I do? I gotta vote for someone.
To me lynching is so fun for all, hun.
Any volunteers? I'd like to vote for Shasta
Come on, dude, can I kill ya?

A little more Nienna in my life,
A little bit of Sally on my side.
A little bit of Brinn I'd love to see.
And another Tum (that's all I need....)
A little bit of Fea (That's just wrong!)
A little bit of Wilwa all night long. :Merisu:
A little more Nessa (that's all she wrote?)
A little bit of guilt gets you my vote!

Vote Tum or Rick, don't spread them all about.
No, don't vote for Lari, put your money where your mouth (is)
Type up your vote, explain yourself right.
Highlight it too, or you're not very bright.
Hit the plus key once, hit the plus key twice
And if it look like ++This then you're doing it right.

A little more Nienna in my life,
A little bit of Sally on my side.
A little bit of Brinn I'd love to see.
And another Tum (that's all I need....)
A little bit of Fea (That's just wrong!)
A little bit of Wilwa all night long. :Merisu:
A little more Nessa (that's all she wrote?)
A little bit of guilt gets you my vote!

I'd still vote for you, I'd love to kill a girl like you.
But don't vote for me, dead or alive.
One vote for me will make me cry

....Phantom's voting jive....



Now back to your regularly scheduled game.


ETA: Video link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX7NnQAqhnc) to the original. Sorry it's not the original artest, but the original video....well, it's not that appropriate. If you don't care, however, it's here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfvJOL1gpic&feature=fvw).

[Nienna]

Sally is my hero. This is all that I know conclusively.

[Boromir88]

Or maybe I'll do what I threatened earlier and try my level best to make sure the score is tied at the end.

I've been sitting here flipping a quarter for the passed 20 minutes...and I just realized it's a Canadian quarter. That will do no good...must go find US quarter! :rolleyes:

[Macalaure]

Well, as things currently stand, I'm certainly not retracting.

You were definitely not the one I was looking for primarily - we voted for the same person. ;)

I'm mostly hoping for the ones who voted earlier and said they might change their vote later.

[alonariel]

You were definitely not the one I was looking for primarily - we voted for the same person. ;)

I'm mostly hoping for the ones who voted earlier and said they might change their vote later.

Mac, to allay at least some of your fears, I've been considering retracting for the last hour, but I'm gonna wade through toDay's posts one more time, and then make a final decision. I don't want to lynch a gifted and let the wolves best the village again toDay.

[Durelin]

I really hope the wolves have already voted. Five people with 3-2 votes is an open invitation to them. I think we could use some retractions at this point.

Sorry, but this just bothers me. People should retract just in case possibly all 3 wolves still have to vote? What if they actually voted for the person they found most suspicious their first vote around? Absurd! Really I guess I can't blame you because it does seem like people are using the 1 retract a day that way. Oh, well, let's just toss out a 'place-holder vote' as people have called, just to test to waters, see how people react, cause I can always retract if people find my suspicion suspicious...

:rolleyes:

So right now I would love to vote anyone who uses their retraction just for the sake of using it. Let me see who that is. Of course if none of those people have any votes yet I don't know what I'm going to do.

[Durelin]

Also wouldn't mind voting Sally.... ><

[Formendacil]

I've been sitting here flipping a quarter for the passed 20 minutes...and I just realized it's a Canadian quarter. That will do no good...must go find US quarter! :rolleyes:

I think I'm going to have to return your Powerade if you're going to talk like that about the Queen's image.:p

As for the elk... well... yeah...

[satansaloser2005]

Incidentally, the fact that I posted a song doesn't mean I'm a wolf. History ain't repeating itself, so don't even try it. Just sayin'. ;)



Here's my dilemma. I think both Morm and Dun are possibly guilty but I'm not sure which is more so to me. Morm tripped my radar a smidge yesterDay while Dun completely flew under for me, at least for the most part. ToDay, however, Dun's really screaming to be voted, and Morm's said some things that make me even less sure about him (his innocence, not his guilt). I'm a bit torn.


EDIT: x'd since Durie's post. Awwww, what did I ever do to you? Song stuck in your head? ;)

[the phantom]

Sally- out of the park, girl! :D

Shasta, Rikae, or Tum.... which one.... which one....

[Brinniel]

I'm here! But I haven't read anything yet, and seeing how many pages there are, I doubt I'll catch up. We'll see if I end up voting or not; if I do, the explanation will probably have to wait til toMorrow, should I still be alive.

Sorry for my absence; I'm moving out of my apartment soon and have been busy enjoying my final days in NYC.

[the phantom]

By the way, did anyone ever tell me why chumminess couldn't be taken as a sign of BFFs rather than Villains? (concerning Alon and Tum)

And because Brin was nice to me I may just vote for whoever she votes for. Where are you, dear?

EDIT: Spoke too soon. Hi Brin!

[Thinlómien]

Shasta - I don't like his eagerness to vote Pitch, nor the sort of aggressiveness he has when phrasing it. He seems otherwise quite grumpy too, which doesn't sit right with me at all, nor does his rather hasty vote for Mira (even if he was in a hurry!), it just looks too much like a conscious bandwagon-start-try.

Inzil - his Rikae case is a bit fishy and he is a tad too self-conscious and somehow sly, but that seems to be his style so I'm not sure... doesn't come across as too honest, though, but I'd hate to vote him for so little reason...


edit: xed with everybody after sally's song

[satansaloser2005]

By the way, did anyone ever tell me why chumminess couldn't be taken as a sign of BFFs rather than Villains? (concerning Alon and Tum)

And because Brin was nice to me I may just vote for whoever she votes for. Where are you, dear?

EDIT: Spoke too soon. Hi Brin!


Kissup. :p

Frankly, I think it's unlikely they're both baddies. One could be the bear and one a wolf or some other combination, but I think it'd be rather silly of them to be so obvious about their ties. Maybe it's just me.

Okay, Oh Phantom, Voter of the Pretty Ones, if you had to choose between Dun and Morm which do you find more suspicious? I'm not asking you to vote one of them necessarily and I doubt it'll sway my choice either way, but I want to hear your opinion.

[Macalaure]

A little bit of Sally on my side.

Now, is this a hint or not...

[Thinlómien]

By the way, did anyone ever tell me why chumminess couldn't be taken as a sign of BFFs rather than Villains? (concerning Alon and Tum)I'd say it all depends on what kind of chumminess it exactly is.

edit: xec

[satansaloser2005]

Sally- out of the park, girl! :D


Thanks! :)

[Rikae]

Hm, phantom, something you posted earlier made me think you noticed something I was trying to point out to you, and your reaction had me just about ready to trust you - but now it seems as though, if you did notice what I was trying to tell you, you must be evil and using it for evil purposes...

[satansaloser2005]

Now, is this a hint or not...

Honestly, I hope so, because I want him to be innocent. But no. It just sounded better than 'by my side' (read, less creepy, 'cause Phantom's a creepy stalker!:eek:) so I changed it.

[Nienna]

I agree with what's been said about Shasta. He has been acting weird toDay and his vote for Pitchwife yesterday was quite unsettling. I wish that he was here to defend himself but of all the people he seems the most suspicious to me toDay so that is taking precedence over me wanting to let him have his say.

++Shasta

[Thinlómien]

++Shasta

Let's see if this works out or not - I still have my retraction...


edit: xed with everybody since my last

[satansaloser2005]

Hmmmm....maybe I should take a look at Shasta after all. I won't be voting him toDay, but I'll see what I can find about him and his sometimes misguided psychic powers.


ETA: Is Lari gone for the night? I know she had to leave but I don't know when she'll be back.

[Thinlómien]

Sally - backing away, are you? I got the impression you suspected him enough to consider voting him...

[alonariel]

ETA: Is Lari gone for the night? I know she had to leave but I don't know when she'll be back.

She's having dinner with her family, but I just texted her and she said she'd update the vote count soon.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally - backing away, are you? I got the impression you suspected him enough to consider voting him...

Who, Shasta? When did I say that?

[Macalaure]

By the way, did anyone ever tell me why chumminess couldn't be taken as a sign of BFFs rather than Villains?

In general, because in case of doubt I'd rather lynch a BFF (who have no real power except turning themselves into known innocents at will) than let a wolf get away. Not that I'm suspecting Alona and Autume particularly (well, Alona a bit).

[satansaloser2005]

She's having dinner with her family, but I just texted her and she said she'd update the vote count soon.

Ahhhh. Shiny, captain.

[the phantom]

Well crap, Rikae. You say something like that so close to the deadline... And now I have to try a mad-speed goose chase to find out what the heck you're talking about. *sighs*

Here goes...

[Boromir88]

She's having dinner with her family, but I just texted her and she said she'd update the vote count soon.

What a gem to have at this time. :D

[Lariren Shadow]

*is checking every few minutes*

Mira --> Rikae
Shasta --> Mira
Morm --> Rikae (2)
Alona --> Morm
Nerwen --> Mira (2)
Sally --> Morm (2)
Inzil --> Morm (3)
Mac --> Inzil
Rikae --> Alona
Autume --> Inzil (2)
Nessa --> Alona (2)
Form --> Inzil (3)
Nienna --> Shasta
Lommy --> Shasta (2)

Morm and Inzil 3, Mira, Rikae, Shasta and Alona 2.

Left to vote:
Brinn
Durelin
the phantom

[Thinlómien]

Mira --> Rikae
Shasta --> Mira
Morm --> Rikae (2)
Alona --> Morm
Nerwen --> Mira (2)
Sally --> Morm (2)
Inzil --> Morm (3)
Mac --> Inzil
Rikae --> Alona
Autume --> Inzil (2)
Nessa --> Alona (2)
Form --> Inzil (3)
Nienna --> Shasta
Lommy (xed) --> Shasta (2)

Morm and Inzil 3, Mira, Rikae, Alona and Shasta 2.

Left to vote:
Brinn
Durelin
the phantom

edit: haha eek xed with Lari *hides* she missed my x-post, though ;)

[Macalaure]

The voting is hilarious: First Rikae was hip to be voted for, then Mira, then morm, then Inzil, now Shasta. :D

I have a bad feeling for toDay's lynch outcome...

edit: and I even forgot Alona...

[Rikae]

Wait a minute, where is all this stuff about Shasta coming from all at once? People texting again? :rolleyes:

[alonariel]

Ahhhh. Shiny, captain.

What's this? A fellow Serenity fan? I know you mentioned Joss Whedon before, but...*squee*

[satansaloser2005]

Haha Lommie x'd! Yay! Erm, I mean thanks for trying to help....;)


Grrrr. I hate ties. Someone break it or I will....


ETA: x'd with Alona. Serenity was canon violation. Flipping awesome canon violation, but still. *whimpers, and you know why* But yes, Firefly is one of the best shows ever invented. Why? Do you want to be captain? .... Well, you can't!

[Thinlómien]

Who, Shasta? When did I say that?You didn't? Then I must have mixed you up with someone else... :rolleyes:

edit: mass-xing again

[satansaloser2005]

You didn't? Then I must have mixed you up with someone else... :rolleyes:

edit: mass-xing again

Not that I'm aware of, but I'm not aware of a lot right now so forgive me if I said something and forgot. Don't think I did though. Hmmmm....

[Thinlómien]

There's still plenty of time to break the tie... and plenty of people around who can do it. (Even too many? eeks...)

edit: xed with Sally - great, now we're both confused :D

[Boromir88]

This is going to be a fun 12 minutes isn't it?

Edit: even though I really didn't edit this, I just am because I'm assuming this has just crossed with people

The real Edit...yep :p

[alonariel]

ETA: x'd with Alona. Serenity was canon violation. Flipping awesome canon violation, but still. *whimpers, and you know why* But yes, Firefly is one of the best shows ever invented. Why? Do you want to be captain? .... Well, you can't!

Oh, I know - Firefly was better, but if Serenity is all that the producers would let me have, I won't complain. And I don't wanna be captain - I'd rather be the space-case that can kick butt on a whim ;)

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, I know - Firefly was better, but if Serenity is all that the producers would let me have, I won't complain. And I don't wanna be captain - I'd rather be the space-case that can kick butt on a whim ;)

Hehe trufax. HAHA and you edited your post. Nice. :p



Yes, Boro, it is. Good thing Lari's back, ain't it?

*gives her cookies*

[Durelin]

So alonariel did the place-holder thing, voting morm.

Mira...her Hakon evaluation is so weird and forced seeming to me. Her conclusion that:

The bear is probably someone who was annoyed by Hakon and his speculation about the bear role (or in general).

...what? Really? People often submit kills while in a fit of passion?

And then her Lari eval conclusion:

I have no idea what to draw from this, except maybe that the wolves thought she would be a trail-less kill. There wasn't any major controversy that might have led to a kill out of spite, so there's not really anyone to eliminate from the suspect list of who killed her.

Why are you so hung up on the idea of the baddies killing out of spite? It seems like you're trying to be painfully consistent and pushing that idea very hard.

I have no idea about Rikae. She feels innocent to me, and I sometimes think I can read her decently, at least compared to how well I can read others. But I am not basing this on her feeling innocent, I am basing this on Mira's conclusions being strange and forced. She's been quite evaluation-happy and really trying very hard to be 'helpful'.

I haven't had a chance to look at Izil much...Shasta is just Shasta and all I think people have on him right now is that he's scary cause he started the seer-lynch. So these last minute votes for him actually rather bother me.

Posting this and checking where the votes are at...

[alonariel]

Hehe trufax. HAHA and you edited your post. Nice. :p

Unfortunately working with children has made me swear excessively while I'm not at work. Go figure. :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

*enjoys - with an eyebrow raised, though - the expected and scary pre-deadline silence*

edit: xed hehe

[Boromir88]

*enjoys - with an eyebrow raised, though - the expected and scary pre-deadline silence*

edit: xed hehe

I'm just waiting for the flurry of cross votes. Glad Lari's here...you're going to put the Dark Monarch out of work! :p

[Thinlómien]

Phantom, stop planning a three-way tie, it's not funny if morm gets lynched because I think he's probably innocent.

edit: xed with His Modness

[the phantom]

Oh, whatever.

++Alon

Because she dropped out of my WW game earlier this year.

Tonight- you need to come after me. No one's ever going to lynch me. I'm Pitch's most likely dream, and I don't lynch easily even if there is mass support. Just get rid of me already. You need to sooner or later after all.

[Lariren Shadow]

I'm just waiting for the flurry of cross votes. Glad Lari's here...you're going to put the Dark Monarch out of work! :p

But I am not evil, as everyone knows, so how could I do that?:Merisu: