TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them?

[Durelin]

I've always felt it's a bit of a waste to try and find a pattern/clues/whatever in the Night kills, but I guess maybe that's just a personal thing...because I know that people can make picks for all sorts of reasons, not always tactical...

I largely agree with Rikae's lynch priority list.

[Macalaure]

I feel ignored by Form. Maybe this will help:

++Formendacil

[Rikae]

Mac, what's your case against Form, in a nutshell? I'm not sure what you're basing those "baddie points" on.

[Mirandir]

Granted, I'm going to look my answer is too right and fits too perfectly... but that seems perfectly obvious to me--Shasta was quiet and left no trail, and therefore the Bear would kill him--to leave no trail. I've mentioned this a couple times already, and I think it's fair to bring it up again, but the Bear should be a lot harder to find than Wolves or a Seer, because s/he has no knowledge of anyone's roles--same as an Ordo. Theories that Bears can't help giving themselves away aside (because while they have some credence, they're not really relevant to the night kills), it would be in the Bear's best interest to kill the quiet ones at night, because this keeps them as anonymous as their daytime knowledge might.

Brinn's death also fits that pattern. Hakon's? Well... Hakon's death doesn't fit it as obviously, but it does fit. At least, it seems to me anyway, that there's pretty much no way on the basis of Day 1 that Hakon's demise would implicate anyone, and I would interpret that in the same way: the Bear is sniping people leaving no trail, and that's the whole point.

I hadn't thought of it that way... And because of your perfectly logical answer, you must, by default, be the bear. :rolleyes:

Okay, I need to vote now because I'm already late for another engagement. I wish I had more time, but unfortunately circumstances do not permit it.

++autumne

Right now she looks the most suspicious to me, due to both her agreeing with Rikae as I mentioned earlier and because she seemed to calm down a bit after Alona was offed, as if she was backing off to protect herself with one packmate down.

[Formendacil]

I feel ignored by Form. Maybe this will help:

++Formendacil

:eek:

You have my complete and utter attention, Mac. But, I admit, I was not aware you addressed anything to me. Would you like desperate protestations of my innocence? Wild accusations of Morm and sundry? Cackling? Confessions of guilt?

[Rikae]

Herr Christian Mac Mac Mac
All dressed in black, black, black
with lots of fur, fur fur
all down his back, back, back

He asked his wife, wife, wife
for fifty cents, cents, cents
to see Formendacil, cil, cil
make his defense, fence, fence.

He jumped so wolfish, wolfish, wolfish
he jumped so high, high, high
he wasn't lynched, lynched, lynched
'til the fourth of July, lie, lie

:p:p:p

[mormegil]

Granted, I'm going to look my answer is too right and fits too perfectly... but that seems perfectly obvious to me--Shasta was quiet and left no trail, and therefore the Bear would kill him--to leave no trail. I've mentioned this a couple times already, and I think it's fair to bring it up again, but the Bear should be a lot harder to find than Wolves or a Seer, because s/he has no knowledge of anyone's roles--same as an Ordo. Theories that Bears can't help giving themselves away aside (because while they have some credence, they're not really relevant to the night kills), it would be in the Bear's best interest to kill the quiet ones at night, because this keeps them as anonymous as their daytime knowledge might.

Brinn's death also fits that pattern. Hakon's? Well... Hakon's death doesn't fit it as obviously, but it does fit. At least, it seems to me anyway, that there's pretty much no way on the basis of Day 1 that Hakon's demise would implicate anyone, and I would interpret that in the same way: the Bear is sniping people leaving no trail, and that's the whole point.

I tend to agree with this line of thought on the bear. I don't think the bear had any idea Shasta was the ranger as I've said before I think he/she got lucky.

[Macalaure]

:rolleyes::(

Mac, what's your case against Form, in a nutshell? I'm not sure what you're basing those "baddie points" on.

One, Alona defends Form and attacks Lommy when Lommy gave her case against Form yesterDay. She didn't do something like it that openly all game and I see no other reason why she might have.

More importantly, it's the way Form handles his suspicion of Alona yesterDay, which is "Wolf A lets almost-dead Wolf B jump the gun to make himself look good" right from the playbook.
- He suspects Alona, but barely gives any original points against her, and the few things he adds are very careful, so that they don't actually convince anyone.
- He has back-up plans aplenty and tries to sell them (quite strongly, even).
- When he is sure that Alona is going to accumulate enough votes, he gives in and casts a decisive vote (decisive only by placement, it was to be expected that others would follow), but he's still quite happy to look for a reasonable opportunity to retract.
He couldn't have known that there was actually support to lynch morm, because the later votes against him came out of the blue, and a sudden retraction right at the deadline would have looked severely evil.

You have my complete and utter attention, Mac. But, I admit, I was not aware you addressed anything to me. Would you like desperate protestations of my innocence? Wild accusations of Morm and sundry? Cackling? Confessions of guilt?

All of the above. :D


crossed with morm

[mormegil]

Herr Christian Mac Mac Mac
All dressed in black, black, black
with lots of fur, fur fur
all down his back, back, back

He asked his wife, wife, wife
for fifty cents, cents, cents
to see Formendacil, cil, cil
make his defense, fence, fence.

He jumped so wolfish, wolfish, wolfish
he jumped so high, high, high
he wasn't lynched, lynched, lynched
'til the fourth of July, lie, lie

:p:p:p

What!?!?

[autume98]

All right. Preliminary vote here, will change if needed, blah, blah blah.

++Morm

1. Because he's too darn edgy by half, even for him, and I'm getting an increasingly strong "killing machine" vibe off him.

2. Because I agree with Lommy that his death will tell us more than most people's (especially mine).

3. Because his name just looks so much better in red. I never thought green was his colour!

EDIT:X'd since myself.

I've been going back and looking at the votes from the past few days, and have come across some interesting information. On Day 2 Alona voted for morm before she switched her vote to save herself. I don't get the feeling that morm is a wolf. Maybe a bear. Which means we have three people that we have thrown out as possibly being the bear: morm, Form, and Lommy. I'm leaning towards the chances of us getting the bear not very high tonight.

I also found this interesting. Nerwen didn't vote Day 1. I'm not sure why she voted for Mira on Day 2. YesterDay she voted for morm and didn't give a reason. Above she has posted her vote for morm. Her statement about (especially mine) makes me wonder if maybe she does have something to hide.

Edit: x-ed with morm, Form, and morm again

[mormegil]

I'd rather vote the people higher on the list than those lower (although I might change this list a bit):

Nienna
Nerwen
Sally
Nessa
Lommy
Autume
Mira
Form
Durelin
Morm
Mac
Rikae


My order is:

Nienna/Sally/Form all tied
Lommy
Nerwen
Nessa
Mira
Autume
Durelin
Rikae
Mac

[Rikae]

What!?!?

Eh, just joking around, inspired by a picture book my 5 year old just had me read to her. :D

[mormegil]

I've been going back and looking at the votes from the past few days, and have come across some interesting information. On Day 2 Alona voted for morm before she switched her vote to save herself. I don't get the feeling that morm is a wolf. Maybe a bear. Which means we have three people that we have thrown out as possibly being the bear: morm, Form, and Lommy. I'm leaning towards the chances of us getting the bear not very high tonight.

I also found this interesting. Nerwen didn't vote Day 1. I'm not sure why she voted for Mira on Day 2. YesterDay she voted for morm and didn't give a reason. Above she has posted her vote for morm. Her statement about (especially mine) makes me wonder if maybe she does have something to hide.

Edit: x-ed with morm, Form, and morm again

Autume, simply put, Nerwen is the cobbler and she is trying super hard to be suspicious, but not to appear overtly so...it's not working.

[Rikae]

Morm, you can't have Sally and Nerwen both be cobblers...

[autume98]

My order is:

Nienna/Sally/Form all tied
Lommy
Nerwen
Nessa
Mira
Autume
Durelin
Rikae
Mac

Here's my order:
Nienna
Lommy
Morm
Nerwen
Form
Sally
Mira
Durelin
Rikae
Mac

[mormegil]

Morm, you can't have Sally and Nerwen both be cobblers...

Yep the more time goes by the more convinced I am that Nerwen is the cobbler, what other explanation is there...the far fetched that she is a wolf posing as the cobbler hoping we don't lynch her. Nerwen is usually very engaged and thoughtful, I don't see it this time.

[Boromir88]

Since I won't have any of my vote keeping people...I think these are the votes so far...

Nessa ---> Morm
Nerwen ---> Morm
Lommy ---> Form
Mac ---> Form
Mira ---> autume

Morm and Form 2, autume 1.

[Formendacil]

All of the above. :D

So, really, you don't want my attention at all. Looks to me like the case against me is picked, and at this stage I'm unlikely to dissuade it.

However, since I can't refuse a chance to argue, let's have a go at it anyway:

1. Alona defended me.

Heh. Well, I haven't really got a defence for that, though it definitely depends on the assumption that she was enough of a newbie-wolf that she would be as obvious as to assist another wolf on the Day when she should have known full well (assuming the other wolves had the sense to tell her, even if she didn't already have it figured out) that she might die. It could be--less likely, I'll grant--that she's trying to cast a shadow on me.

More likely, knowing I was innocent (that is, knowing I wasn't a wolf), she assisted me out of the goodness of her heart without thinking that this might have any consequences. Surely I'm not the only one who picked up that Alona liked people liking her?

2. My apparent lack of attack on Alona yesterday.

First of all, you're right, I guess, putting things that way that it's a textbook case of "Wolf A votes for dying Wolf B to look good"--but doesn't it occur to you that it's too much of a textbook case? If you didn't suspect me, would it look that obvious? Or would it look too obvious?

Granted, that may not sound like much of an argument on my part, but I've definitely been around long enough to know how a wolf tries to look good voting for another wolf, and I'd also like to think I'd be better than that--that I'd have just enough of a trace of obtrusiveness that I'd be moderately suspicious, though never quite suspicious enough to lynch. It seems here that it's the other way around! I'm just a touch too smooth, so I'm definitely suspicious enough to lynch.

In terms of your specific charges that I a.) offer no substantive criticisms of Alona, b.) offer lots of alternatives, and c.) couldn't have seen the Morm-waggon coming...

a.) This would be pretty much in keeping with my general philosophical sense of "nothing is certain." It's also fair to note that, as with toDay, I was mostly active towards the end of the Day, by which time the arguments had been offered (my pre-bedtime posts were admittedly insubstantial due to the late hour), and, anyway, it's not like Alona left enough behind on Days 1 and 2 (having a tendency towards fluff posts) that there was likely a lot more I could have gleaned than what was already being said.

b.) Alternative offering is what you do when you're not certain of someone's guilt--and when you're an angsty philosopher player of this game. It comes from trying to look at things from every angle.

Granted, I'm not doing that today. Rise or fall, I'm tying myself to the Morm-waggon. He has that effect of me (Nog can too--glad he's not here!). I'm well aware that if he dies and is innocent, I'm going to look more lupine or ursine than the Big Bad Wolf. So I'm really, really, hoping he's guilty!

c.) I couldn't have known, yes, that a Morm-waggon was coming, but when I voted, Alona was merely in the lead, not certainly doomed. Indeed, the Sally-waggon seemed to have a lot of potential (and if she was a Cobbler, you'll agree I'd have looked as good as with a wolf), and Rikae and Morm were getting mentions, as my memory goes. If I were a wolf, it would make more sense to have waited longer on my vote.

Naturally, of course, anything I've said will only confirm you more in your suspicion...

[Rikae]

Let's try...

++Nienna

[Formendacil]

Well, there's nothing for it--I'm apparently accumulating votes, and I don't really want to die. And Morm's almost certainly evil.

++ Mormegil

[Rikae]

On second thought -
Form's defense looks exactly like what a wolf would say, and his certainty of Morm's guilt seems pretty groundless.

--Nienna

That vote's for Form, unless somebody convinces me otherwise.

[wilwarin538]

doing my duties

Nessa ---> Morm
Nerwen ---> Morm
Lommy ---> Form
Mac ---> Form
Mira ---> Autume
Rikae --> Nienna
Form --> Morm
-- Rikae --> Nienna

Morm 3, Form 2, Autume 1

48 minutes left...just so you know...

[Macalaure]

If you didn't suspect me, would it look that obvious? Or would it look too obvious?Form, this is what made me suspect you. I wasn't suspicious before, and I was rather surprised of the outcome of my analysis.

You're forgetting charge b.) (ii): You were not only offering alternatives, you really tried to convince people to start another bandwaggon so that you wouldn't have to vote Alona.

If I were a wolf, it would make more sense to have waited longer on my vote.Not if you were looking for an impact vote.

Why does your defense read so pessimistic? I feel bad now... :(

[mormegil]

++Formendabear

[mormegil]

Nessa ---> Morm
Nerwen ---> Morm
Lommy ---> Form
Mac ---> Form
Mira ---> Autume
Rikae --> Nienna
Form --> Morm
-- Rikae --> Nienna
Morm-->Form

Morm 3, Form 3, Autume 1

[Formendacil]

++Formendabear

You still think I'm the Bear, Morm? Even with the Mac-analysis that has convinced Rikae and seems doomed to send the whole village plunging in after? Is it because you're the bear, maybe, that you are so happy to make certain everyone else looks elsewhere? Or are you the one, solitary, subscriber--ironic as that would be--to my suggestions that there's no difference in gut instinct between a Wolf and a Bear?

[wilwarin538]

to add to Morm's post, who beat me to the count:

Left to vote
Autume
Durelin
Nienna
Rikae
Sally

[Formendacil]

Why does your defense read so pessimistic? I feel bad now... :(

Not at all because I might actually be innocent... that would clearly run counter to all the data given.

Village - Another Ordo = Less Village.

[mormegil]

You still think I'm the Bear, Morm? Even with the Mac-analysis that has convinced Rikae and seems doomed to send the whole village plunging in after? Is it because you're the bear, maybe, that you are so happy to make certain everyone else looks elsewhere? Or are you the one, solitary, subscriber--ironic as that would be--to my suggestions that there's no difference in gut instinct between a Wolf and a Bear?

I subscribe to the theory that you feel foul, a bear is likely as is a wolf but I hold more likely a bear, plus it's fun to see it rankle you.

[mormegil]

Not at all because I might actually be innocent... that would clearly run counter to all the data given.

Village - Another Ordo = Less Village.

Crazy enough I am second guessing myself here. This seems almost sincere and I know how frustrating it is when you are innocent and people think you are guilty, I almost had to edit my own posts for language this DAY due to frustration. Problem is I am an ordo and I know it ergo I am more apt to go for a seemingly guilty Form than somebody else, unless we go for Sally or Nienna and my life isn't at risk by switching.

[Rikae]

I'd really rather lynch Nienna, Sally or Lommy. Why, oh why, are the people who made such an effort to save a wolf being ignored in favor of those they tried to substitute for said wolf on the chopping block? :rolleyes:
This is ridiculous. If we're assuming wolves wouldn't have... look, maybe wolves shouldn't have, but we have good reason to believe these did... namely, that they not only defended a wolf, but did so with seemingly no reasoning behind it at all (and still refuse to even attempt to explain).

Frankly, I'd rather lose to a Formendabear than to a Niennawolf who lurked in the shadows or a Sallywolf who made major slips and acted cobblerish... and Lommy is at least as evil looking as Form, with the added strike against her that other suspicious people are not eager to vote for her.

[autume98]

Form has moved up on my list. He's looking pretty suspicious to me right now for the reasons Mac had listed, and also his latest post does look like something a wolf would say.

I'm not sure if I should vote for morm or Form at this point. Either way I believe the village will be down one baddie. I'm kinda leaning towards Form right now.

Edit: x-ed with Rikae

[mormegil]

Rikae if there is enough support to lynch either Sally or Nienna I am very happy with that.

[Boromir88]

Another tie will be pretty flippin sweet.

(Waits to see if they will follow my command, or would they risk not doing it? :p)

[Macalaure]

I'm as happy to lynch Nienna as I am to lynch Form. In fact, I wish we could double-lynch.

[wilwarin538]

Another tie will be pretty flippin sweet.


*cough* bad pun *cough* :p

[autume98]

Rikae if there is enough support to lynch either Sally or Nienna I am very happy with that.

I'd feel comfortable going after Nienna. I don't feel comfortable going after Sally at this time.

Edit: x-ed with Mac and Wilwa

[autume98]

I'm as happy to lynch Nienna as I am to lynch Form. In fact, I wish we could double-lynch.

I second that. :p

[Boromir88]

*cough* bad pun *cough* :p

*cough* No one's interested in your opinion *cough* :D

[Rikae]

I'd feel comfortable going after Nienna. I don't feel comfortable going after Sally at this time.

Why?

You defended Sally before, too. What makes you think she's innocent?

[mormegil]

Rikae, Mac and Autume if you are willing to commit I will change my vote

--Formendacil

[Durelin]

I have no sense of Form except his vote for morm toDay looking bad.

If he's the bear I don't see why he would be so hung up on morm. Sure he may not want to be the only baddie left at this point, but there are two wolves left, and it's not like we have a known one.

I would rather lynch Nienna, Nerwen, Nessa, or Lommy. Or Sally.

I would vote now but I'd love to save that retraction in case things go wrong, instead of if I pick the person no one else is going to go for toDay...

[autume98]

Why?

You defended Sally before, too. What makes you think she's innocent?

I've heard that she's pretty straight forward when she's an innocent and will even say so. She doesn't tend to lie. It was mentioned twice in previous posts. Don't remember where. I do remember her stating she's an ordo. Unfortunately I don't remember what post that was. I'm thinking somewhere on Day 2. As you know Sally talks a lot and I'm not sure I'd find it in 20 mins.

Edit: x-ed with Durelin

[Nienna]

I am fascinated to walk in and see a fabulous last minute badwagon against me. :rolleyes:

[autume98]

Alright here goes:

++Nienna

Edit: x-ed with Nienna

[wilwarin538]

Nessa ---> Morm
Nerwen ---> Morm
Lommy ---> Form
Mac ---> Form
Mira ---> Autume
Rikae --> Nienna
Form --> Morm
-- Rikae --> Nienna
Morm-->Form
-- Morm --> Form
Autume --> Nienna

Morm 3, Form 2, Autume 1, Nienna 1

Left to vote
Durelin
Nienna
Rikae
Sally
Morm

[Durelin]

I'd really like to find out what Lommy is...but...

[Rikae]

Hm, Autume, maybe, but I wouldn't be so sure about that. Sally can be tricksy as they come.

I am fascinated to walk in and see a fabulous last minute badwagon against me. :rolleyes:

We'll see if it's a badwagon or a good one if/when you're lynched. :p

Don't blame me, though, I've been making the case for lynching you all day. It's not my fault everyone else spent the rest of the day debating yesterDay's suspects as though we never caught a wolf at all.

Why shouldn't we lynch you, then?

[Macalaure]

I'd like to hear from Nienna first, before changing my vote, now that she's here.

[wilwarin538]

15 minutes

[Nienna]

Why shouldn't we lynch you, then?

Because I'm innocent and we should be trying to lynch the Morm-bear who gets to make an extra kill every Night.

*sigh* :rolleyes:

[mormegil]

Mac, Rikae and Durelin are you going to vote for her? Once I vote it's locked in and I'd like to know what direction this is headed.

[Rikae]

Nienna, if you're not evil, please don't just be silent and let us waste the lynch... :(

[satansaloser2005]

I'm back! So sorry, I'm late; some people and I got to talking afterward and I lost track of time. Know the vote count but need to actually read through posts.

[Nienna]

Nienna, if you're not evil, please don't just be silent and let us waste the lynch... :(

*has absolutely no intention of being silent*

LYNCH MORM!

[Rikae]

Here we go again about the Morm-bear.

If you're so sure, don't worry, your partner can always kill him toNight.

[wilwarin538]

10 minutes

[Rikae]

*has absolutely no intention of being silent*

LYNCH MORM!

1) With all this lynch-morm talk that's been going on the last couple of days, I have yet to see one good reason.

2) IF anyone tried to save Alona, they did so by going after... dun dun dun... Morm. Ergo, he's not exactly a likely wolf.

3) We have way better chances of getting a wolf than a bear, and I don't want to waste the lynch.

[mormegil]

10 minutes


Guys we're running a little low on time. Are we going for Nienna whose only defense is 'LYNCH MORM'

[Macalaure]

My beautifully crafted Form-waggon... and now this mess... *sniff*

I blame morm for rubbing half the village the wrong way. :p

[Nienna]

Please lynch Morm? If he is not the bear then you are free to lynch me toMorrow.

++Morm

[Durelin]

++Nienna

Lommy next? Maybe...

[mormegil]

Rikae, I'm the classic case of somebody who is loud and somewhat obnoxious so misguides and the guilty cling on to me. It's easier than really doing a deep analysis such as you have done.

[satansaloser2005]

Herr Christian Mac Mac Mac
All dressed in black, black, black
with lots of fur, fur fur
all down his back, back, back

He asked his wife, wife, wife
for fifty cents, cents, cents
to see Formendacil, cil, cil
make his defense, fence, fence.

He jumped so wolfish, wolfish, wolfish
he jumped so high, high, high
he wasn't lynched, lynched, lynched
'til the fourth of July, lie, lie


Real post, I promise. Just had to say I love Rikae right now. Yay for wereducklings! :D


Morm, you can't have Sally and Nerwen both be cobblers...


Yes he can. One for him and one for the wolves. (Or one for the bear if he's another wolf.)

Depending on who else is a wolf I wouldn't put it past them to orchestrate a double wolf lynch yesterDay (you know what I mean) because it would pretty much clear whoever didn't get lynched. And I still don't like Morm. Eeeevil.

[wilwarin538]

Nessa ---> Morm
Nerwen ---> Morm
Lommy ---> Form
Mac ---> Form
Mira ---> Autume
Rikae --> Nienna
Form --> Morm
-- Rikae --> Nienna
Morm-->Form
-- Morm --> Form
Autume --> Nienna
Nienna --> Morm
Durelin --> Nienna

Morm 4, Form 2, Nienna 2, Autume 1

Left to vote
Rikae
Sally
Morm

[Rikae]

I feel like Morm is flattering me now...

[mormegil]

I feel like Morm is flattering me now...

I could have and should have included Mac and Durelin but I was talking to you.

[Macalaure]

Splitting the non-morm votes between Nienna and Form is not good.

I blame Durelin for not seeing the genius behind my Form-case. :p

[wilwarin538]

5 minutes

[satansaloser2005]

Well unless you convince me in the next....three minutes (like to have a BIT of leeway....heh) I'll be voting Morm. Have at it. Why Nienna?

(I'm not saying she's innocent, I'm saying I think Morm's more guilty. I've said it most of the game and I'm going to keep thinking it, alas for him.)

[Durelin]

Why lynch morm? Because you and several others have been convinced he's the bear from Day 2 or earlier for no apparent reason other than a feeling?

I have a reason for thinking him the bear, but it's just one. I agree with Rikae's logic on taking a shot at the wolves first. I know we need to stop two kills a night...

[Macalaure]

Nienna's reaction right now is not wolvish.

[autume98]

Splitting the non-morm votes between Nienna and Form is not good.

I blame Durelin for not seeing the genius behind my Form-case. :p

I agree. I don't care which one we vote. Getting close to the wire though.

[satansaloser2005]

Why lynch morm? Because you and several others have been convinced he's the bear from Day 2 or earlier for no apparent reason other than a feeling?

I have a reason for thinking him the bear, but it's just one. I agree with Rikae's logic on taking a shot at the wolves first. I know we need to stop two kills a night...

And that's why. I'm honestly torn here, but you all know how hard it is to change once you're convinced of someone's guilt.


A deal. If Nienna's innocent, I hear no complaints about lynching Morm toMorrow. Or at least few complaints. :rolleyes:

[mormegil]

Well unless you convince me in the next....three minutes (like to have a BIT of leeway....heh) I'll be voting Morm. Have at it. Why Nienna?

(I'm not saying she's innocent, I'm saying I think Morm's more guilty. I've said it most of the game and I'm going to keep thinking it, alas for him.)

Sally have you read anything about Nienna today. Many things have been laid out I hardly doubt it that doesn't convince you we will be able to in less than 3 minutes. You are bent on seeing me dead. So be it. What reasons have actually been given? Does it matter? No it's to easy to tag along because I'm vocal and I stick my neck out with clear convictions...Garn.

++Nienna

[satansaloser2005]

Nienna's reaction right now is not wolvish.

That's what he said. I concur.

[Durelin]

I don't really feel like lynching Form to save morm...

[Rikae]

Of the most suspicious people, she's the only one up for lynching, and of those up for lynching, the least likely to be any easier to read in days to come.

++Nienna

Mac, we can take a closer look at Form toMorrow. There are just too many people screaming wolf right now to vote one who... whispers it? He may well be evil, though.

[wilwarin538]

Nessa ---> Morm
Nerwen ---> Morm
Lommy ---> Form
Mac ---> Form
Mira ---> Autume
Rikae --> Nienna
Form --> Morm
-- Rikae --> Nienna
Morm-->Form
-- Morm --> Form
Autume --> Nienna
Nienna --> Morm
Durelin --> Nienna
Morm --> Nienna
Rikae --> Nienna

Morm 4, Nienna 4, Form 2, Autume 1

Left to vote
Sally

[satansaloser2005]

Sally have you read anything about Nienna today. Many things have been laid out I hardly doubt it that doesn't convince you we will be able to in less than 3 minutes. You are bent on seeing me dead. So be it. What reasons have actually been given? Does it matter? No it's to easy to tag along because I'm vocal and I stick my neck out with clear convictions...Garn.

++Nienna

I'm not saying she's squeaky clean, don't get me wrong. I just....


....

getting this in now. Can change if I need to, etc.

++Morm


EDIT: x'd since my last. Count is now Morm 5 Nienna 4

[Macalaure]

--Formendacil

++Nienna

Even though I'm very much not convinced.

[Durelin]

--Nienna

++Formendacil

?

[Rikae]

A deal. If Nienna's innocent, I hear no complaints about lynching Morm toMorrow. Or at least few complaints. :rolleyes:

That'll be the day. Make a deal with a cobbler? Make a good argument for Morm and we can lynch him all you like.

[wilwarin538]

Nessa ---> Morm
Nerwen ---> Morm
Lommy ---> Form
Mac ---> Form
Mira ---> Autume
Rikae --> Nienna
Form --> Morm
-- Rikae --> Nienna
Morm-->Form
-- Morm --> Form
Autume --> Nienna
Nienna --> Morm
Durelin --> Nienna
Morm --> Nienna
Rikae --> Nienna
Sally --> Morm
--Mac --> Form
Mac --> Nienna
-- Durelin --> Nienna
Durelin --> Form

Morm 5, Nienna 4, Form 2, Autume 1

[satansaloser2005]

Morm if you're innocent....whoops. From one innocent to another, please accept my apology, but I can't get past the feeling that you're evil.

[mormegil]

Farewell village I am innocent. Trust in Rikae, Mac and Durelin I feel they are innocent.

[Durelin]

ARGHHHH my fault my fault

[Macalaure]

*headdesk*

[Boromir88]

DL. Silence.

Will check who is the lucky one today...erm unlucky I mean.

[wilwarin538]

Gosh you people confuse me with all your retractions, :rolleyes:.

Hope that's right Boro.

I want Lari back, haha

[Boromir88]

The D-league vs. The Dark Monarch Volume 2, Issue 2: Tough-actin morm-nactin

"I think Shasta protected me last night." said morm.

"Why?" asked Durelin.

"Yeah" said Lommy. "Why? Your such an easy lynch."

"I am?" morm wasn't understanding the issue.

:sigh: "You just have to make half of us distrust you and the other half your enemies." Mac did a *head-desk*

"Wait a second. Maybe since Nienna's back, we should hear what she has to say, before lynching anyone." said Rikae reasonably. "So...Nienna?"

"LYNCH MORM!" Nienna shouted.

"Good for me." said sally. "Bye, bye bear."

"Yep good bye Mr. bear." said Nienna.

"How are we going to do it?" asked tum "We still don't have any rope."

His athlete's foot gives him power boomed the disembodied voice again. Kill it and he will die.

"I really hate that man." scowled morm.

"That's it!" said Mira. "Tough-actin Tinactin!" No one seemed to know what she was talking about, except for morm who tried to make an escape, but was restrained in a chair by several heroes. "John Madden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg1H9PBwLp4)? Duh! Athlete's foot. Boom! Use tough-actin Tinactin."

Mira came back with the Tinactin athletes foot spray, no one knew where it came from, or how Mira got it. That plot hole is not important, what is important is they sprayed morm with the athlete's foot medicine. Amidst cries of "It burnsss us! It freezes!" the heroes saw morm's green fungus wither and he curled up.

Morm and his foot fungus, formed a symbiotic bond, one could not survive without the other. Morm was dead, and the heroes hung their heads once they realized there was no transformation.

Living

wilwa (the Dark Monarch)

autume- Lady Tum, The Fish Whisperer, can converse with fish
Durelin- Felis Grey, under the impression her domestic cats obey her
Formendacil- Celibateman, saving girls everywhere from awkward 1st dates
Lommy- Prin-Guin, claimed princess of the penguins, wears a penguin suit and crown
Macalaure- The Incredible Sulk, when angry he turns green and pouts
Mira- Narcolepsy girl, falls asleep at the most inoppurtune moment
Nerwen- The Reverser, can read and write backwards
Nessa- Laughing Lass, can make others laugh uncontrollably
Nienna- Word Cloud Girl, analyzes people based on the frequency of the words they use
Rikae- Doktor Von und Zum Quatsch
sally- Movie quotes girl, quotes/recognizes quotes out of movies and TV

Dead

Boro- Wild-eye (Night 1)
Fea- Doctor Girlfriend, died from sheer awesomeness (Day 1) - ordo
Pitch- Studebaker Hawk, fell to his death (Day 1) - seer
Hakon- Leaf Man, made into firewood (Night 2) - ordo
Lari- Hover Girl, broken neck (Night 2) - ordo
Inziladun- Dr. Electron, used as filament (Day 2) - ordo
the phantom- Candor Man, taken by special request of the Monarch (Night 3) - ordo
Brinniel- Butterfingers, caught herself on fire (Night 3) - ordo
alonariel- Charms girl, killed by Norm (Day 3) - Firefly
Norm- sacrificed himself to kill alona (Day 3) - No votes
Shasta- Mr. E., No longer with the shadows (Night 4) - Ranger
morm- Athletes' foot man, sprayed with Tinactin (Day 4)- ordo

NIGHT 5.

[Boromir88]

Sorry this is going to be so anti-climatical. I can line up a few people to attest the many distractions the last 2 hours, add on top of that my laptop deciding not to work until 15 minutes ago. The narration will have to come later...

Rikae was offed by the villains and they have killed one of the BFFs.

The bear got to the Hunter Durelin, who did not pick a villain this night.

Living

wilwa (the Dark Monarch)

autume- Lady Tum, The Fish Whisperer, can converse with fish
Formendacil- Celibateman, saving girls everywhere from awkward 1st dates
Lommy- Prin-Guin, claimed princess of the penguins, wears a penguin suit and crown
Macalaure- The Incredible Sulk, when angry he turns green and pouts
Mira- Narcolepsy girl, falls asleep at the most inoppurtune moment
Nerwen- The Reverser, can read and write backwards
Nessa- Laughing Lass, can make others laugh uncontrollably
Nienna- Word Cloud Girl, analyzes people based on the frequency of the words they use
sally- Movie quotes girl, quotes/recognizes quotes out of movies and TV

Dead

Boro- Wild-eye (Night 1)
Fea- Doctor Girlfriend, died from sheer awesomeness (Day 1) - ordo
Pitch- Studebaker Hawk, fell to his death (Day 1) - seer
Hakon- Leaf Man, made into firewood (Night 2) - ordo
Lari- Hover Girl, broken neck (Night 2) - ordo
Inziladun- Dr. Electron, used as filament (Day 2) - ordo
the phantom- Candor Man, taken by special request of the Monarch (Night 3) - ordo
Brinniel- Butterfingers, caught herself on fire (Night 3) - ordo
alonariel- Charms girl, killed by Norm (Day 3) - Firefly
Norm- sacrificed himself to kill alona (Day 3) - No votes
Shasta- Mr. E., No longer with the shadows (Night 4) - Ranger
morm- Athletes' foot man, sprayed with Tinactin (Day 4)- ordo
Rikae- Doktor Quatsch, scrabbled by the wolves (Night 5)- BFF
Durelin- Felis Grey, bear strangled her with cats' tails (Night 5)- Hunter

DAY 5. TALK.

[satansaloser2005]

Rikae! :(


In other news, I think Rikae's friend should stay silent for as long as they can. Why give the baddies a known innocent to kill, right?


I'm leaning toward a Nessa lynch toDay, as I kind of explained yesterDay. Wish she'd have been the other candidate besides Morm, because I likely would have gone for her instead of him. Either way, she's top on my list.


Going to bed quite early tonight. Try not to die of shock, k?

(Back in about 12 hours or so, since I have that interview in the morning.)

[Mirandir]

In other news, I think Rikae's friend should stay silent for as long as they can. Why give the baddies a known innocent to kill, right?

Agreed.

I was going to do some analysis or something before bed but now I'm falling asleep and it will have to wait until morning (or mid-afternoon, as is more likely). *insert some comment about how we lost both our ranger and hunter in the course of two nights and we really need to buckle down and try to find the last three baddies before they kill another innocent*

[autume98]

I agree with sally that the other BFF should be quiet for now. Definitely don't need to give the wolves a known innocent.

At this time I'm leaning towards Form. Things could change.

I know I stated this in the Admin thread before the game, but a quick reminder. Today is a really busy day for me, and I won't be around much. I'll post as often as I can. I should be able to keep up with what is going on though, just might be a little harder to post.

[Macalaure]

*opens a can of whoop-****

Why did you people lynch morm? Foolish! Why on earth did you do that? There was not one sensible reason to do so, not one. If anyone even considers making a case against someone who didn't vote morm yesterDay, then... :rolleyes:
Since 5 people voted for morm, obviously at least one of them must be innocent. I don't mean to be arrogant, but I hope that/those person/s spent some time reflecting on what exactly constitutes suspicious behaviour to him/her/them. YesterDay's performance just didn't cut it. :rolleyes:

Durelin is dead, but her hunter-pick isn't. She voted for Form, but she didn't actually seem to suspect him that much (but was a bit coerced into voting for him, which was my fault, I fear :( ), so I doubt he was her pick. Likely she picked Nienna, maybe Lommy.

Nessa - probably innocent, but needs to be checked carefully.
Nerwen - cobbler, period.
Lommy - bear-hunch, but I will ignore that hunch toDay (also, would she be afraid to attack Durelin? Hmm..).
Mira - possible non-morm-voter-wolf (plus bear-hunch), but will ignore that for toDay.
Form - wolf, but I'm willing to listen to his or other's arguments against it.
Autume - probably innocent.
Nienna - her life suggests innocence, but we should not take that for granted.
Sally - should be kept on a very, very short leash.

Sally, I'd like to see a good case against Nessa, or I'll regard your wild suggestion to lynch her as an attempt of scapegoating.

[Thinlómien]

Our numbers are growing small with our hunter gone with no kill and two wolves, the bear and the cobbler still being around. Actually, almost half of us are evil! (4/9) Well, at least that should make toDay's lynch easier. Hopefully.

autume- could be anything (although most probably an ordo, then a wolf)
Formendacil- lynch-worthy: I still think he has good chances of being either the bear or a wolf
Macalaure- has been innocent-looking this far, but one starts to wonder why is he still alive because no one suspects him (okay, if he has been supersuper innocent-looking then he might have been spared because the baddies wouldn't want to risk making the same kill) and anyway, he could be the bear
Mira- a questionmark, I always suspect her to some degree and she doesn't seem too innocent right now either
Nerwen- 50% cobbler, 25% wolf, 25% ordo
Nessa- seems rather innocent but I'm not ready to give her a free pass now
Nienna- also quite innocent, I don't understand where the suspicion against hem originally come from
sally- one of those wolf/cobbler/ordo people, very confusing in managing to look very innocent at times and very guilty at other time - bears watching and possibly lynching

I'm going to do my morning stuff *yawns* and then have a look at yesterDay, both at the votes and at whom Durelin suspected. Meanwhile the players who are around (no one?) can think about why she and Rikae got killed.

[Thinlómien]

Durelin

Sally...cobbler?
Nienna and Lommy wolves?
Nerwen and Mira also bother me a lot.
But I'm ready to vote Morm for his gifted-reveal plan.
Hah. I completely forgot about autum...
Cobbler
Sally? Nerwen?
Wolf
Nienna, Mira, Lommy, Nessa, Sally, autum....
Bear
morm...Lommy...
Lommy's vote on Day 2 is the most...confusing. If she is a wolf, would she have been that obvious and that concerned with saving her companion? Everyone's saying she seems like a bear, but what reason would she have for saving alona (and morm as she said she wanted to)? Unless she really wanted Inziladun dead for some reason, and instead voted him under the pretenses of wanting to save people.

Sally in general is confusing.

Durelin says to Nessa: "If you're the cobbler you should be louder and less worried about lynching a wolf." ... um, why do you say that, Durie?
She's another who has a cobbler-ish feel to her in that she rather un-commited and unwilling to really suspect someone (as if she's afraid to), but is just not having enough effect on the game if you know what I mean. I feel that if you're a cobbler, you shouldn't be a wallflower.

Interesting point - Mira votes morm after pseudo-defending him by saying that Form talked more about the bear than morm did.

autume-Sally is a definite connection...I have agreed with a lot of people on thinking Sally seems cobblerish, but what doesn't make sense to me is autume being and wolf and Sally being a cobbler. Why would autume-wolf bother to defend Sally-cobbler as much as she did, rather than go after Sally to distract from alona?

If autume and Sally are indeed evil, it makes the most sense if they are both wolves.

I don't think Sally is a wolf with Nienna. She could be a wolf with Nessa.
I definitely feel there is something wrong with Lommy and have felt so from the time she first started posting.

Now the question to me is - go for a simply evil-looking Lommy...wolf or bear, I am not at all sure...OR go with evil-looking with more wolf-y connections. Of course, she did save alona!

While I am uneasy about morm (in a bearish sense), I think it is compeltely bizarre that Nessa, Nerwen, and Form have completely passed over the fact that we lynched a wolf yesterDay! To a certain extent they all seem to be on a different planet from the rest of the game. I get the same sense from Lommy...at least she did an alona-related analysis, though one of her probable-mates was morm...

Anyway, since I know it's a concern... My bear-suspicion of morm began only toDay, I will tell you that. And I do not feel at all confident enough to vote for him.
Well, if Form's a wolf I'm going to be more convinced Lommy's the bear...

Form seems too hung up on morm but he was the second vote for alona yesterDay, hoping to avoid lynching himself, when he just as easily could have voted for morm, which would have brought him up to 3 already.

Wolf who voted his fellow or bear...I just have no sense of Form, gut-feeling wise or vibes or whatever.
I have no sense of Form except his vote for morm toDay looking bad.

If he's the bear I don't see why he would be so hung up on morm. Sure he may not want to be the only baddie left at this point, but there are two wolves left, and it's not like we have a known one.

I would rather lynch Nienna, Nerwen, Nessa, or Lommy. Or Sally.

I would vote now but I'd love to save that retraction in case things go wrong, instead of if I pick the person no one else is going to go for toDay...
I'd really like to find out what Lommy is...but...
++Nienna
Lommy next? Maybe...
I don't really feel like lynching Form to save morm...
--Nienna
++Formendacil
?

I think Durelin intentionally kept her suspicion list long so that it'd be difficult for the baddies to figure who she was hunting. Those probably most scared of a Durelin-hunter as baddies would be me and Nienna, followed by Sally. So the three of us (possibly alongisde with Nerwen and Nessa) are unlikely bears.

Who did Durelin really hunt, then? If we could figure that out, we'd have one known innocent. I'm inclined to say Nessa or Sally, because I doubt she'd scare her hunting target aka main suspect away by suspecting them loudly. She could suspect her main suspect though, because that could help get them lynched. But of course, Durelin made her pick only after the end of the Day, so it is impossible to say what she was thinking. Based on this rather fragile logic, I'm now slightly less suspicious of Sally and Nessa, which means I won't worry about Nessa now and Sally might not be among my favourites for voting unlike before. She just screams evil at times, though.

~*~

YesterDay

I don't get why half of the village seems to suspect me of bear-ery. I can assure you I have no teddyish tendencies...

Autume seems like a ruthless bandwagoner. I think I may have to re-evaluate my semi-trust in her innocence.

I wanted to keep Alona alive a while longer in order to look at the prospect that she and you were BFFs like phantom suggested you might be. Nothing more vicious than that.Looks like the perfect excuse.

Mira's vote for autume seems rather throwaway. It could be a sign of innocence (voting whomever is most suspicious) or wolvery (escaping the bandwagon attention and avoiding being blamed of getting an innocent killed or actually contributing to the death of a fellow) or even cobblery (not sure about the wolvery of the village main suspects so sticking to someone else). So I can't conclude much, but this vote makes me wary.

Why oh why did you guys choose Nienna over Form? A Form-wagon might have succeeded and morm could have been spared. Not that I can actually complain, because I was ready to vote morm.

I'm still going to have a look at the votes, I think.

[Thinlómien]

Wait!

I checked the rules.

Durelin's pick might have been the bear (or the cobbler?) and she would still have died alone.

So, in fact, the bear who killed her needed not have been worried about dying in the process of eliminating her. In which case, there's no point in speculating who would have dared to kill her and who not. And even if we managed to figure out her pick, they could still be the bear or the cobbler.

Darn it.

[Thinlómien]

clues to identity:
has killed Hakon, Brinniel, Shasta and Durelin
has not been lynched yet

Okay... based on this, I would say the bear is at least somewhat experienced player (since he's not got a nervous breakdown or revealed himself yet and whether purposefully or not, he has managed to kill two gifteds) who favours careful tactics (all the kills are rather trail-less except for Durelin, who leads trails to half of the village). This might be crappy logic too, but I think a newer-player bear would sympathise with other newer players and would thus be unlikely to kill Hakon on Night2 - likewise, an old-timer bear would sympathise with other old-timers and not kill anyone he has a long history with on Night2.

This profilisation gives me three names: Form, Mac and Nerwen. Nessa and autume would probably have sympathised more with a fellow ww-novice, I'm not sure (no offense!) if Mira or Nienna would yet manage this smooth and effective game as lonely killers and Sally would probably be considerably more jumpy if everybody else in this game was her enemy (:p).

Form, Mac or Nerwen? It is easy for me to choose, because Form has strcuk me as bearish since Day2. Mac is a worthwhile option, but I'm not ready to go lynching him based on this, especially as Form is still alive. Nerwen doesn't seem too bearish because a bear would probably be more actively hunting wolves during the Days to look more innocent and to be rid of his arch eenemies before it's too late. Also, I believe that Nerwen could have been a bit more surprising in her kill choices if she was the bear.

[Thinlómien]

clues to identity:
their mate was Alona
they have attacked Lari, phantom, person x and Rikae

The wolves strike me as bolder than the bear and I really really would like to know whom they tried to attack on Night4. It is very difficult to draw a pattern of their kills, but I would say they're killing innocent-looking people. But is there something else? Did they choose Rikae because as a hunter she would probably not have picked any of them? (Since, if they were merely trying to kill someone generally considered innocent, why not Mac or Durelin instead?) I don't unfortunately have the time (at least now) to go through Rikae's posts from yesterDay, but if someone'd do that, it would be great.

Hmph, seems like this profilisation is bound to end up as a mere stump. Macalaure is the only one whom I don't suspect for wolvery at all (possibly because he promised to kill me on Night2 next time he's a wolf :p).

[Thinlómien]

Before I forget: here are yesterDay's votes:Nessa ---> Morm
Nerwen ---> Morm
Lommy ---> Form
Mac ---> Form
Mira ---> Autume
Rikae --> Nienna
Form --> Morm
-- Rikae --> Nienna
Morm-->Form
-- Morm --> Form
Autume --> Nienna
Nienna --> Morm
Durelin --> Nienna
Morm --> Nienna
Rikae --> Nienna
Sally --> Morm
--Mac --> Form
Mac --> Nienna
-- Durelin --> Nienna
Durelin --> Form

Morm 5, Nienna 4, Form 2, Autume 1
Of those alive, Mira's and Form's votes look the worst to me. I talked about Mira's vote already, and Form seems to be latching into a duel with morm without considering other options, which is rather counter-productive if he's innocent. Nerwen's and Autume's votes may be worth looking at too.

[Thinlómien]

I have to go now. I'm 95% sure I'll be back, but in case I won't be, here's my vote

++Formendacil

I'll be surprised if he turns out innocent.

I may change my vote when I come back, but I doubt I will do that for any other reason than being in a situation where a vote for Form is a throwaway one.

Hope to see a lot of posts when I return!

[Macalaure]

I don't like Lommy right now. Her first list seems made up. There is no real analysis of votes, and only profiling over the kills, which is nice, but lacking in case of the wolves. There is no mention of an increased likelihood of wolves among the morm-waggoners (Mira's "throwaway" is really your greatest problem?), and apart from Form (of who I still don't understand why she was so easy to be convinced of by me yesterDay), she only suspects non-morm-voters Autume and Mira. In fact, she defends the morm-voters by saying that she might've voted him, too. She still hasn't explained why morm ended up so high in her list based on her previous analysis, for it maketh no sense.

She seems less beary and more wolfy or cobblery right now, because her posts toDay seem to try to mislead.

It really sucks that the baddies (and we) stole all of the three people I trusted.

[Nerwen]

I don't like Lommy right now. Her first list seems made up. There is no real analysis of votes, and only profiling over the kills, which is nice, but lacking in case of the wolves.

But flattering, at least for me... ;)

[wilwarin538]

Rikae- Doktor Quatsch, scrabbled by the wolves (Night 5)- BFF


Who else is greatly looking forward to the description of this?? :p;)

oh....uhm....insult....

Wild-eye is the son of a window dresser. :p

[Nienna]

So right now I trust (as much as you can trust someone in ww) Mac and am very worried about Mira, Sally, and Lommy. I'd love to hear what Mira thinks about people and not just a summary of their posts. There is just something about the way she has been playing so far that gives me a weird feeling. It might be just because she hasn't been around but she needs to start posting more and telling us what she really thinks. We need all the innocents that we can right now.

Everyone else is on my to watch list.

[Nienna]

... and I do have to work again today but I will be back in lots of time before deadline... and at this rate it doesn't seem like there will be lots of posting. Surprise me!

[Macalaure]

Guys we're running a little low on time. Are we going for Nienna whose only defense is 'LYNCH MORM'

As an explanation, that is in fact the reason why I suddenly thought Nienna was innocent yesterDay: a baddie could have come up with something better. Nienna, however, acted like a panicking ordo.

I just can't treat everybody like a suspect, so I will declare Nienna and Autume trustworthy for now. Subject to change.

Nienna, I'm very curious to hear what you think about the voting process yesterDay. As a possible victim, which votes do you think were suspicious?

Where is Form? I'm very unsure about him right now, and I need to read what he has to say to know whether I really have to look elsewhere.

Everybody except Lommy needs to give a lot more input if we want to get anywhere toDay. What happened to the 15-pages-in-one-day-talkativeness? ;)

[satansaloser2005]

Back (meeting took longer than I thought it would) and have caught up with the few posts I've missed. My internet's being sketchy today so I'll probably be quiet for a few hours, but I'll be around about 4 hours before the DL without fail. :)

[Mirandir]

Day 1

#129
Likes what phantom said about gifteds leaving clues
Wants to read through old games

#317
Likes what sallys said about voting Fea
Hakon is suspiciou

#338
Doesn't know whether to trust phantom or not
Little suspicious of Rikae

#353
Agrees with Rikae that phantom is suspicious

#357
Votes Hakon (after morm, Alona, and sally already had)

#482
Retracts Hakon, votes Pitchwife (after Shasta, Rikae, Nienna, and Hakon)
"Had a quick chance to go through the posts and at this point Pitchwife looks more suspicous than Hakon. I'll expand on this on Day 2. Just wanted to get this in."

Day 2

#494
Justifies vote by citing Rikae, Shasta, Inzil, and Shasta again as why Hakon didn't look suspicious enough to vote for.

#562
Doesn't see Rikae as a wolf or bear, doesn't see why people think she's suspicious
Wonders why phantom voted last minute when he proposed the artificial deadline in the first place

#563
Still doesn't know what to think of phantom

#613
Tells Nienna she already explained yesterday's vote

#619
"I learned a valuable lesson. I'll remember to leave explanations for the person I'm voting. I also will be more careful with my votes. I never intended to kill the Seer. It's just the way it happened."

#624
Echoes Alona's sentiment about not being very good at figuring out roles

#629
List! Doesn't think anyone is particularly suspicious.
Looks at Hakon vs. Pitchwife voters, only person who stands out is Shasta, but not particularly suspicous

#631
Wants to hear from morm and Mira

#637
Defends reason for making list, says she and Alona are buddy-buddy because they're both new

#643
Elaborates on why doesn't think Mac, Alona, sally, and Nienna are innocent

#664
Agrees with Mac about Inzil and wants to know why Inzil voted morm

#674
Debates voting Inzil

#677
Votes Inzil
"1. I've had nothing against Rikae up to this point. I don't really like the way he went after Rikae or Mac earlier toDay. Nothing wrong in doing that. To me it just didn't look right.

2. He throws out some suspicions and doesn't back them up.

3. He asks a question of morm when morm isn't around to answer. Then goes ahead and votes for morm without explaining why.

4. After yesterday I'd rather get this vote in now and not be the deciding factor in killing a Gifted. "

Day 3

#779
Vote count and reasons

#800
Corrects sallys that she should be asking Lommy about retracted votes, not her

#814
Says needs to take a look at sally
Lommy's vote is suspicious

#831
"So I was wrong about Sally not voting for Inzil earlier. Makes more sense as to why people suspect her as well."

#834
Wants to look at morm

#841
Explains Inzil vote to Mac

#842
Defends agreeing with everyone
Doesn't know why Lommy switched her vote
Rikae doesn't seem like a baddie
morm raised flags
Wants to analyze Nessa, Nerwen, and Mac

#846
Responds to morm's suspicions of her
"I was just telling you why I did what I did. Not really sure what I did to make me your prime suspect."

#855
Enters debate with morm about meaning of "near top" of suspicion list

#860
Clarifies nickname mistake she made that led to vote confusion

#895
Feels like Alona and sally are innocent
What sally said about morm makes her suspect him more
Rikae seems innocent still

#949
Wants to keep an eye on Shasta and Mac

#954
"I'll answer for you and make it easier for everyone else. I don't think I have disagreed with you yet. I haven't seen anything to disagree with you on at this point." (to sally)

#970
Analyzes morm, concludes is still suspicious

#1001
Links to sally's 880 post

#1006
Says linking was because sally "had some items in there regarding morm in reply to what Brinn had done."

#1009
Compares Form to Shasta

#1013
Doesn't have enough to go on to vote Shasta

#1024
Votes morm

#1040
Answers morm's question about who Rikae will/has voted for

#1064
Joke-votes for sally

#1079
Likes sally's avatar

Day 4

#1121
"It is a sad day for us villagers. Shasta did a great deed by saving someone in the village. I just wish that he weren't dead."

#1212
Having second thoughts about Lommy
Still thinks morm is suspicious

#1217
Using what Form and Lommy said to further suspicion of morm

#1232
"First: That's a good point about morm. I will have to take that into consideration.

Second: Nessa is raising some flags. I'm not comfortable with her No Vote yesterday. She has been awfully quiet throughout the game. However that may mean nothing.

Third: I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling bad vibes coming from Lommy." (to Rikae)

#1236
Agrees with Rikae that Mira, Nienna, Nerwen, or Nessa is a wolf

#1245
Leans towards Nienna, Nerwen, and Nessa at beginning of post, suspects Mira and Nerwen by the end

#1246
Wants to hear from Mira about morm vote from yesterday

#1260
Looks at Alona and Nerwen

#1265
"Here's my order:
Nienna
Lommy
Morm
Nerwen
Form
Sally
Mira
Durelin
Rikae
Mac"

#1282
Leaning towards Form

#1287
Would feel comfortable going after Nienna or sally

#1293
Explains to Rikae why doesn't think sally is evil
"I've heard that she's pretty straight forward when she's an innocent and will even say so. She doesn't tend to lie. It was mentioned twice in previous posts. Don't remember where. I do remember her stating she's an ordo. Unfortunately I don't remember what post that was. I'm thinking somewhere on Day 2. As you know Sally talks a lot and I'm not sure I'd find it in 20 mins."

#1295
Votes Nienna

#1323
Agrees with that Mac that splitting non-morm votes between Nienna and Form isn't a good idea, but did it herself

Day 5

#1345
Agrees with sally that the other BFF should be quiet
Leaning towards Form

~~~~~

If we go on my theory from yesterday that autume is Alona's packmate, I would think that sally is their third based on the way she always defends her. However, she also thought Rikae was innocent and made a point of saying it. This could be perfectly innocent, or she wanted to make it clear that she didn't suspect her so people wouldn't be suspicious when Rikae was killed by the wolves.

Unfortunately, I have to (once again) leave (:mad:) and won't be back for deadline, so I'm going to have to vote now. Autume still looks suspicious to me so that's who I'm going with.

++autume98

[satansaloser2005]

#619. Did she actually say that, or was that just Mira's interpretation? 'Cause if that's actually what she said, it's pretty suspicious, at least to me.


*goes to look*

[satansaloser2005]

For the duck (who's probably not reading the game, but still....)

"That's what she said. That is what she said."


In other words, she did say exactly that, and it bothers me. Now it could be Tum feeling bad for killing the seer (as she should!:p) and she's planning to be less cavalier with her votes from now on, but it also could be her realizing she's done something suspicious and apologizing (for whatever reason) for doing something like....


OOOO! *wishes Dun was here, because the lightbulb's come on and I wanna see how long it'll last/how good it is*

Could Tum be our cobbler? I know I'm suggesting this rather out of the blue, but it would make sense. Her parroting (no offense, dearie) is making me look connected to a known wolf, and she's said enough to draw attention yet not enough to get herself lynched....yet. Also, it would explain her tie to Alona (if she did in fact think Alona was a wolf) as well as how bland she's being in suspicion, because she doesn't want to stumble upon a packie and kill them. Sensical?



Also, in an unrelated matter, I wouldn't be surprised if Durie was hunting me. I'm not saying you should stop suspecting me because of it, but I think it was a good possibility. *shrugs* Just my two cents.

[satansaloser2005]

Also, I think Rikae might have been the failed Night kill. I'm not certain, but it's possible. What do you all think? And why would they want Rikae dead so badly?

[autume98]

At this point in time I really feel like Form is suspicious along with Lommy. I don't have a lot of people I trust right now, but I do think that Mac and Nienna are innocent.
As for the rest, I know some of them aren't innocent. I just am not sure which ones. I'm leaning towards Nerwen and Sally as Cobblers. I'm just not sure which one is the cobbler. Since I'd rather nab a wolf or bear toDay they aren't high on my list right now.
The only thing I can remember about Nessa right now is her No-Vote on Day 3. I probably won't have time to go through and analyze her today.
The only thing I can say about Mira is that she's voted for me yesterDay, now she has voted for me toDay. However I'm not going to go after her for that. I wish I had the time to go do an analysis on her. She could possibly be the bear, but so could Lommy or Form.
So my list order right now is:
Form/Lommy
Nerwen
Sally
Mira
Nessa
Nienna
Mac

Edit xed with 3 sallys

[Macalaure]

Mira, analysis is good, however, your analysis is almost exclusively summary (just like before) and altogether your approach is ridiculously narrowed-down. With so little time at hand, why is your prime focus to go after Autume instead of figuring out what was behind what happened yesterDay and what can be learned from it? You're not helpful (and that's the innocent interpretation of it. I could offer a suspicious one, but I didn't want to go after the non-morms toDay).

About the #619 comment, I read it as a newbie-ish thing to say. It felt and feels genuine, strange at it was.

Also, I think Rikae might have been the failed Night kill. I'm not certain, but it's possible. What do you all think? And why would they want Rikae dead so badly?1. What does this question matter now?
2. Why do you encourage people to talk about something which doesn't matter (when we really have better things to discuss)?
3. If so, it's obviously because Rikae was considered innocent.

I'm leaning towards Nerwen and Sally as Cobblers.

Unless Nerwen is trying a very extravagant strategy, she's the cobbler. I've seen cobblers losing the interest in their hide-and-seek game before the end of the game before. Then they settle down to throwing in an occasional confusing comment, have a tone of not caring anymore, and vote for who they think is innocent. They know that lynching them is as much of a mistake as letting them live.

Since I'd rather nab a wolf or bear toDay they aren't high on my list right now.

According to your list, they are high on it - they are second behind Lommy and Form - so that makes no sense. Assuming Sally is not the cobbler, what is your opinion of her?

[autume98]

are[/I] high on it - they are second behind Lommy and Form - so that makes no sense. Assuming Sally is not the cobbler, what is your opinion of her?

I am having a hard time getting a handle on her. I thought she was innocent, but now I am not so sure. I don't know what to make of her vote yesterday. I don't think she is a wolf, maybe a bear.

[autume98]

Just as I posted I realized that I forgot a point.* Sally did try to get us discussing more trivial matters.* This makes her come across as more wolfish to me.* Eithr way I'm thinking that lynching her may not be a bad idea.*
Also I'm going to have some time where I'm not going to be around tonight. I'm going to have to put in an early vote.* I'll try to come back before DL, but I'm not sure if I'll make it or not due to RL.

[Macalaure]

The Voting:

Nessa -> morm - Nessa was basically a no-show yesterDay, and hasn't shown up toDay either. If you're a wolf, and that's how you'd like to win, have it your way. I won't stop you.

Nerwen -> morm - a cobbler's gotta do what a cobbler's gotta do.

Lommy -> Form - still don't really understand why she favoured him over morm. Lommy is one of the reasons I am now hesitant about Form. She discourages the morm-waggon while supporting it - an innocent trying to make sure there will be leads the next day (while she didn't really analyse voting), or an evil staying out of foreseeable trouble?

Mira -> Autume - doesn't follow the herd, but the places she leads herself are strange. Even though her vote is not suspicious, something about her behaviour makes me uneasy.

Form -> morm - very lost in general aspects and completely immersed in the morm-thing. I'm not sure about him anymore and am really, really looking forward to hear what he has to say now.

Autume -> Nienna - a bit too much of a follower there. Originality doesn't hurt, promise. ;)

Nienna -> morm - had to save herself, but her fixation on morm...why? Just... why? *shakes head*

Sally -> morm - almost everything she says is fishy. Don't even understand why she suspects morm.


Placement doesn't really matter, with the exception of Sally's late and Nessa's early vote. I didn't really learn anything new, I have to say.

Order of suspicion:
Sally
Form
Lommy
Mira
Nessa
Nienna
Autume
Nerwen (cobbler=innocent in count)

This list can change substantially once you people actually decide to talk toDay.


One thing, though: Reading over yesterDay, I heard a lot of "morm's role will reveal a lot". I'd very much like to hear what it revealed then. Sally, Lommy, Form, spotlight is yours.

[Thinlómien]

There is no real analysis of votes, and only profiling over the kills, which is nice, but lacking in case of the wolves.
I just realised I can't profile the wolves before looking at Rikae. I'm not sure if I can do that toDay, because I have guests, but if I'm alive toMorrow, I can do it if I don't manage it now. (And the guests - Legate and Aganzir - send greetings to all of you. :D)

There is no mention of an increased likelihood of wolves among the morm-waggoners (Mira's "throwaway" is really your greatest problem?), and apart from Form (of who I still don't understand why she was so easy to be convinced of by me yesterDay), she only suspects non-morm-voters Autume and Mira. In fact, she defends the morm-voters by saying that she might've voted him, too.I can't see why the morm-wagon was more suspicious than the Nienna-wagon and I'm not defending those who voted morm, I just think it's not my place to criticise those votes because I wanted to vote him too. Which should make perfect sense. (And as for Form, you seemed to have brought up points I had ignored and even if I didn't write it down on the thread, I had my own vague wolf-suspicions of him before, so you just strenghtened it.)

She still hasn't explained why morm ended up so high in her list based on her previous analysis, for it maketh no sense.I did explain it in the post! Should I quote? His interactions with Alona were really fishy! I must admit I was as stupid as to forget/ not think about the fact that he was the counter-wagon for Alona (which btw did NOT prove his innocence, maybe just made it more probable).

still don't really understand why she favoured him over morm. Lommy is one of the reasons I am now hesitant about Form. She discourages the morm-waggon while supporting it - an innocent trying to make sure there will be leads the next day (while she didn't really analyse voting), or an evil staying out of foreseeable trouble?Yeah, I was trying to offer an alternative lead. Sadly, I didn't (and don't) have time to analyse the votes properly, and as you can see, from what I managed to look at I wasn't able to conclude (almost) anything.

Why are you so aggressive against me, Mac? Worried because someone has finally realised that you are the bear?

[autume98]

I'm hoping to be back before DL, but in the off-chance that I'm not I'm putting my vote in now.

++Form

[Macalaure]

I can't see why the morm-wagon was more suspicious than the Nienna-wagonWhat about the fact that it contained three known innocents?

I just think it's not my place to criticise those votes because I wanted to vote him too.That ranks among the lamest excuses I've heard so far. :rolleyes:

Which should make perfect sense.Nope.

His interactions with Alona were really fishy!But they were not! Why do you insist on it?

I was here waiting for the first person to say "but morm was so suspicious!", and you just won the prize. And don't say "but I asked why".

Why are you so aggressive against me, Mac?

I'm aggressive against everybody toDay, you just posted more than others, so you're at the receiving end of more. The village has come to a population where you can efficiently call the nonsense others post and aren't suffocated by the sheer mass of it. ;)

Also, Rikae and morm are dead, and somebody has to do the job of irritating people. :p

Worried because someone has finally realised that you are the bear?No, because you're the first to suggest that now (beyond the logical possibility).

Anyway, this last comment made me pretty sure that you are up to no good. Everybody thinks I'm innocent, so playing up the possibility that I'm the bear is the only way you can try to distract people from suspecting you by throwing out counter-suspicion. And let's see: irony, rhetoric question, kneejerkiness - yep, it's all there.


edit: crossed with Autume, which reminds me: Where is Form?

[satansaloser2005]

I don't understand why Mac's being so aggressive either. I don't think it's necessarily evil and that's why it bothers me; I don't feel comfortable voting him (at least not without looking at him a lot more) but at the same time I don't like the way he's acting. (And I of course, as always, mean that in an in-game way. Love you, Mac!:Merisu:) I think I'll get back to looking at Nessa.

Oh, and Mac, what's 'doof' mean? Or can you not tell me on here?:eek:


ETA: Oh, and what Mac said. Where's Formie? I miss him, bear, wolf, or none of the above. :(

[Thinlómien]

Mac, I only made the last comment to see your reaction. To be honest, I think the bear is Form, not you. The wolves are probably Sally and Mira, and the cobbler is Nerwen. But anyway, about your reaction - it wasn't exactly innocent-looking to jump on it like that... but that doesn't still change what I said about the roles earlier in this paragraph.

What about the fact that it contained three known innocents?And? By mathematical odds there are three innocents among the morm-voters too.

But they were not! Why do you insist on it?Because they were! 1) she was looking for cover/advice from him 2) when she was accused of it, she accused morm of the same 3) he ignored her 4) until she became such a hot topic that he couldn't and then he started suspecting her. That IS fishy to my eyes. It has been proven the interactions were innocent from his part but it didn't look like that.

And lastly, I can't see what is so bad about questioning a consensus (about your innocence).

I'm going now and won't be back. I won't change my vote, it will stay and be for Form. Choose wisely. Aganzir blows kisses to everybody and especially to the Celibateman. :D And she says Legate sends French kisses but he disagrees and says he's just sending greetings (or hugs, because sending greetings again would be boring)...

[Formendacil]

edit: crossed with Autume, which reminds me: Where is Form?

Oh, and what Mac said. Where's Formie? I miss him, bear, wolf, or none of the above.

Aganzir blows kisses to everybody and especially to the Celibateman. And she says Legate sends French kisses but he disagrees and says he's just sending greetings (or hugs, because sending greetings again would be boring)...

Awww!

The love and concern is greatly appreciated, especially at the end of a week that's been a bit of a catastrophe as it's wound down.

Anyway, I'm around now--at least until my brother kicks me off the computer (I'm home with the family for the weekend before I go back to school next week, and subject to such dictatorial whims--it's also why I've not been on yet).

[Formendacil]

Okay, so I've read up on the thread, but I've not taken it in, in detail. After Morm's most unfortunate turning out to be an Ordo--and extra-Downsian concerns that have my brain elsewhere--I'm kind of at a loss. I meant it when I said my fortunes rode on the outcome of his death. So as soon as the results came up that he was an Ordo, well, I kind of just assumed I was going to die toDay--which I assure you is an undermotivating reason to get back and keep up with the game.

But I'm here now, and I should be around for another hour or two, at least (the odds increase the later it gets that my brother will want the computer). So I'll try to engage myself and be useful...

[satansaloser2005]

*hugs Form*


Really though, dear, we just wanted you around when we did this.

++Form

:p


I just realized that 1/3 of the village is evil. (Not including the cobbler.) They're not all on the same team but still. Here's my thoughts on how the village is split, or at least how I think it works out trying to get it into correct numbers.


Baddies
Nessa
Nienna
Formie (?)
Tum (?)

Goodies
Sally (of course!)
Mac
Lommie
Mira
Nerwen (?)


I've actually forgotten several times that Mira's in this game. She's up for a look see after I (finally) get done with Nessa.

EDIT: x'd with Formie's last
EDIT #2: my list was parceled out to include the cobbler in the baddie category, in case you didn't realize

[Macalaure]

Form, if you're innocent, please stop whining about how you're going to die and get to work figuring out the wolves and bear. Savvy? :p

[Formendacil]

Okay, so one thing that did register with me in my read-through is that Mac wants to know why Morm looked suspicious. As someone who thought so, I'll do my best to explain, granting, however, that I'm not looking back over the thread, so this is completely what I remember, from the lazy perspective of someone who's not planning to back himself up with arguments posted somewhere.

Anyway...

You'll remember that Morm started this whole nonsense that I'm the Bear. I think that was Day 3, though the Days kind of blend together. If it was, then it was also Day 3 that saw Lommy agree with him, and the two of them cast the lone votes for me. My suspicion of Morm is rooted then, in Day 3, in his suspicion of me, for the simple reason that the one person I know to be Innocent--me--has been set on by him.

Unlike Lommy, however, Morm's suspicion of me was not laid out in a clear, easy to follow manner. Lommy's suspicion--though obviously wrong--was at least laid out with evidence from the thread... but with Morm, he had merely mentioned a couple of times earlier in the Day that he thought I was suspicious, but he definitely seemed to think that other people were more suspicious than me. Then--out of the blue, before I'd been online yet for the day--he posts a one-paragraph post changing tacks completely, and votes for me. Someone--I think it was Autume posted an analysis of Morm right after that, and had the same perception of this that I did.

After that, I guess, it was mostly a case of Morm doggedly suspecting me--with about as much reason for suspecting me ever given as has been alleged I gave for suspecting him. Lommy's suspicion of me, indeed Mac's suspicion of me yesterDay, were at least grounded in arguments I could follow, even if I disputed them. Morm? He basically kept reiterating that I had to be the Bear, and that was that. So, knowing myself innocent, and finding Morm implacably belligerent, I concluded that he was a Bear--or at least a wolf.

EDIT: Crossposted with Sally fake-voting me (you have to highlight your vote, dear) and Mac, telling me to be useful.

[Nessa Telrunya]

Sally, how many times have you talked about looking at me and still not done it. :rolleyes::p

But, toDay, I think I have to side with Tum.

++Form

[Formendacil]

*deliberately pokes Mac*

Which is to say..>

*Formendacil whines about everyone voting for him*:p

What's that make, Nessa--five votes for me? Six? Two-thirds of the village? About as many votes for me as you've posted all game?

It's highly amusing, in a deathly sarcastic sense, that I've been back online for all of an hour, I've contributed one semi-studied post containing some serious business, and I already feel like one of the loudmouths today.

That means I'll be lynched and probably be innocent, of course, but it's still darkly humorous, especially if Mac and Sally were to get eaten tonight... toMorrow would have to be pantomimed!

[Nienna]

L ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,kkkkkkkkkkkkk

Fiona says "hi" as she wanders precariously onto the keyboard.

Thoughts:

I really really really wish Mira would post something of substance. My dear I'm concerned that you are the Bear who is just skating by. Your votes seem to be rather random and they look like you are trying to avoid a bandwagon and suspicion. This concerns me and actually makes you look more suspicious.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly where the Form-wagon came from. It seemed like blind following the evil (no offense!) If someone can give me evidence against Form then I'm more than willing to reconsider him but so far he has seemed rather Form-like.

The evil leading the blind is how the evil win.

Unless something drastic changes I'll probably be voting for Lommy.

[Macalaure]

And? By mathematical odds there are three innocents among the morm-voters too.Are you actually trying to question the merit of analysing the votes and reasoning that led to the lynching of an innocent? Your fur is showing.

Sally, what is the reasoning on which you put people into those two groups?

Nessa, are you actually trying? :(

The sheer number of Form-votes right now suggests that we're wrong with it (remember 4/9 evil). I strongly suggest especially Lommy and Sally. Plus, I buy his explanation and think his general behaviour is innocent, although it could be more helpful, i.e., who do you think is guilty, Form?

The evil leading the blind is how the evil win.Amen.

[satansaloser2005]

Are you actually trying to question the merit of analysing the votes and reasoning that led to the lynching of an innocent? Your fur is showing.

Mac dear, you were saying before that I was mistaken for asking why your better half (at least most days:rolleyes:) was attacked and for trying to decide who the missed kill was. Don't we also catch baddies by analyzing Night activity?

[satansaloser2005]

Oh, and my list. Past suspicions (as I've explained in bits and pieces throughout the thread) as well as my gut, which is hopefully better than it was with Morm.

[Nienna]

*Looks around for Lari*


Lommy--> Form
Mira--> Autume
Autume--> Form
Nessa--> Form

Form 3, Autume 1

Still to vote:
Form
Mac
Nerwen
Nienna
Sally

[Macalaure]

Lommy -> Form (evil vote that righteous villagers should not follow)
Mira -> Autume (probably innocent and probably wrong)
Autume -> Form (I really hope you'll be back to retract)
Nessa -> Form (*shakes head*)

Left: Form, me, Nerwen, Nienna, Sally.

Two of the ones left to vote are probably evil (Nerwen, Sally). We need to be voting very well if we don't want to be swallowed by evil votes toDay. In fact, without a retraction, we're probably losing already.

Mac dear, you were saying before that I was mistaken for asking why your better half (at least most days:rolleyes:) was attacked and for trying to decide who the missed kill was. Don't we also catch baddies by analyzing Night activity?Are you defending Lommy's statement?

And you're right, of course, but that was two nights ago, and you still didn't tell us why that (failed) kill in particular could help us. You actually didn't analyse the non-kill at all, you asked other to do so. Making others spend their time on things of questionable value without giving much input yourself is a wolvish thing to do, I'm afraid.

Oh, and my list. Past suspicions (as I've explained in bits and pieces throughout the thread) as well as my gut, which is hopefully better than it was with Morm.Would you mind summarising? With only a little more than an hour to go, I don't feel like searching through 35 pages. ;)

crossed with Nienna.

[satansaloser2005]

No. I agree with you about Lommie actually, I'm just saying that you underestimated the importance of other things. And I would have analyzed the no-kill but I went to bed and have been busy since, so I've not been able to. Sorry. :(

Finishing Nessa as quick as possible. Sorry I'm a bit slow; I'm tired. *yawns*

[Formendacil]

i.e., who do you think is guilty, Form?

I barely know who's left alive in this village... how should I know who's guilty?:p

Okay... here's the list:

autume--first impression? She's ridden along on the coattails of others all game--Sally especially, but that may just be off-game camaraderie influencing what is either an extra-lost Ordo or a radar-avoiding Wolf. Or a really hidden Bear, but I doubt it.
Formendacil: Well, innocent, obviously.:p
Lommy: my first impression is to say that I haven't found her suspicious all game--despite her continual suspicions of me, which is rather odd given that I strongly suspected Morm for the same reason. It's a gut-feeling, difference, though, and while my gut still likes Lommy, my brain could be easily convinced otherwise... and if we get another Form-waggon, she's an acceptable alternative.
Macalaure--well, the fact that Mac thinks I'm probably innocent endears him greatly, and he DOES seem to have managed to remain mostly innocent in everyone's eyes--which is good, except that's how Bears and lone Wolves win... but the wolf isn't alone, and I can't get a Bear-feel from Mac--admitting, of course, I've said all along that a Bear wouldn't necessarily be discernible from an Ordo if they were clever--and Mac's played this game enough to know.
Mira really has said very little, and I'd be tempted to cast my vote in her direction. Granted, it's a bit late in the game to be voting off the quiet players, but there's always a chance that she's deliberately playing quiet so that she doesn't give herself away.
Nerwen--I'm not convinced she's the Cobbler, but I'm not unconvinced, either, if that makes any sense. She's definitely not as involved this game as she can be, but if she's the Cobbler, it makes more sense to ignore her right now.
Nessa, like Mira has said very little--less, even, in terms of my impressions, and I'd say she's made less of an effort to be useful. That'd be lynchworthy on an earlier Day, and I could definitely be convinced to go that way now... but it's not really enough on its own.
Nienna has been less than useful, and has not really responded to attempts to be prodded into something more... but, admittedly, I know she's been swamped somewhat with Real Life right now, so anti-usefulness doesn't need to equal evil. She has a couple of bad votes to her name, though...
sally looks clawed, fanged, and furry all over with her last minute votes and changes and the fact that she might be the Cobbler--and that possible argument that Durelin might have dreamed of her--inclines me to think she's probably just Sally.

So... in verdict?

I really don't know who's guilty. I'm not inclined to rule anyone out, but as for voting today, I'm inclined most to Mira or Nessa for being too quiet, or Lommy, in spite of my gut.

EDIT: X-posted since Mac's second last--the one I quoted.

[Macalaure]

Alright, let's assume Nienna, Form, and me vote Lommy.

That would make Form 3, Lommy 3, Autume 1

Sally and Nerwen are unlikely to follow, so we're still screwed. We still need Autume's retraction even to only reach a draw. *curses Mira's and Nessa's votes*

[Formendacil]

Alright, let's assume Nienna, Form, and me vote Lommy.

That would make Form 3, Lommy 3, Autume 1

Sally and Nerwen are unlikely to follow, so we're still screwed. We still need Autume's retraction even to only reach a draw. *curses Mira's and Nessa's votes*

Heh. I could flirt with Sally. You'd vote for Lommy, then, right Sally my love?

:Merisu:

[Macalaure]

Heh. I could flirt with Sally.

*wantstoseewantstoseewantstoseewantstosee*

[Formendacil]

*wantstoseewantstoseewantstoseewantstosee*

I'm not flirting with you.

If you want to see, you'll have to get Sally to come around.;)

[Macalaure]

I'm not flirting with you.Aww. :(

If you want to see, you'll have to get Sally to come around.;)

Well, anybody is hard to get to come around toDay, it seems. It's a bit frustrating, all that floodposting in the beginning, and now that the game is on the table, half the village is silent.

[satansaloser2005]

Alright, let's assume Nienna, Form, and me vote Lommy.

That would make Form 3, Lommy 3, Autume 1

Sally and Nerwen are unlikely to follow, so we're still screwed. We still need Autume's retraction even to only reach a draw. *curses Mira's and Nessa's votes*

Erm, I could be convinced to vote for Lommie. I really want Nessa though. (Nearly finished with her, just checking in. Had to check on the kids but I'm here til DL now yay!)

Heh. I could flirt with Sally. You'd vote for Lommy, then, right Sally my love?

:Merisu:Try me, my sweet.:Merisu:

[Nienna]

*hopes for poetry*

[Macalaure]

The fact that Sally could be convinced to vote for Lommy makes me doubt my choice, but it's the only thing to do that makes sense, I think.

So let's start toDay's last minute bandwaggon:

++Thinlómien

[Formendacil]

Erm, I could be convinced to vote for Lommie. I really want Nessa though. (Nearly finished with her, just checking in. Had to check on the kids but I'm here til DL now yay!)



:Merisu:Try me, my sweet.:Merisu:

Sally, dear, I'm afraid those fluttering eyelashes have set my heat a pitter-patter too, and I'm much too dazed to come up with the eloquent wooing you so richly deserve: the fine music and poetry of a Byronic knight below the balcony of a Tennyson princess. But surely, in your majestic compassion and wisdom, you could be brought to vote for that terribly suspicious Lommy. Would it help any if I said she was distracting me from the adoration of your beauty?

(On other notes... I'd be amenable to a Nessa vote instead of a Lommy vote. Mac? Nienna? )

[satansaloser2005]

The count currently stands at -3. Let us proceed.


Well, I come back after last night's vote to a fine mess, don't I? Lynched the Seer, lost an ordo!Fea, and two other ordos in the Night.

Honestly, those who would look most dubious are Pitchwife voters, but here's something else: Wouldn't a wolf be more likely to inconspicuously slide into a bandwagon, rather than start or finish one so out in the open?

I know Tum seems suspicious because she was the deciding vote, but I don't think a wolf would do something that brings so much attention to them.

More thoughts, maybe a list, to come.

edit: crossed since Nerwen

Something in me wants to suggest that this could be a Nessa bear gloating under the cover of sarcasm. Anyway, trying to back away from that, she's just stating the obvious again and then saying Tum doesn't seem as suspicious as some of the other voters that killed Pitchie. -1

Personal reasons? I do not recall saying "Rikae, I'm voting you for personal reasons."

It's nothing against you, just that the way you jumped out at Hakon, when he was only trying to help. You effectively stated that you did not like talking about useless subjects, like how bad Day one is, or the Bear, or surveys, and that worked to take the eyes off you, yet you persisted in actively participating in those same conversations, and steering the talk away from the most important subject-catching a baddie.

But no, I don't think you are a baddie, you've suceeded in catching the spotlight and no wolf would do anything to get so much scrutiny.

Defends her vote for Rikae and then says she doesn't think Rikae's a baddie. So....she voted her, but didn't think she was guilt. Am I missing something? -1

Okay, I'll drop the matter, but I can't promise someone else won't pick it up. Now I find myself thinking you an ordo who likes to voice her opinion, rather than a baddie.

Now, The Phantom has somehow managed to stick himself both to the top and bottom of my suspicions. His part in finding Pitch innocent can be interpreted in multiple ways, but that is his own fault for not supporting words with actions. I can see him as maybe being a gifted, but that would be a stretch, and gifteds and baddies are often meshed together.

So....she thinks that Phantom was either a goodie or a baddie. Erm, not terribly helpful. Seems like circular logic, which I know I sometimes do by mistake or sleep deprivation, but with everything else it looks bad to me. -1

I'm not sure if I should be glad or scared that you remembered me, Rikae. >_>

Nada. +0

I think the baddies, rather than being those deciding votes at the end of the bandwagons, were most likely the ones who hopped on in the very middle. Just a thought.

Isn't this what she said before? *checks* Yup. So why repeat it? +0

Thank you for the vote count, Nienna. What do you think of the voting yesterDay?

edit:crossed with Rikae

Nothing. (Tie to Nienna.) Can't see the point of this. +0

Okay, wow, finally back to be able to read posts, and yay! Stuff with substance! That cures the aches from bad Elvis impersonators!

Soooo, there seem to be a lot of bandwagons to go with now, but they all sound sound. (Haha, get it?) But who really stands out?

Well, I would like to agree that alona and Tum are awfully cool with each other. But I still don't find Tum guilty, for earlier stated reasons. Alona seems a lil... Double sided this time around, I suppose. Her answers ring perfect when first read, but when pondered... could be wolf on innocent.

++alonariel

And I'm sorry that being voted for makes you feel so bad. Just know that this is coming from me only in-game. Nothing against you personally.

Fluff, says all the bandwaggons look good to her, agrees that Alona and Tum are being friendly with each other. (Ties to Alona and Tum.) Says Alona looks good but not on second glance. Seems to me like a copout, suspecting Alona but able to leave room for a retraction. Or rather, doesn't want to tie herself. (Here again I think she's a better bear than wolf candidate because I think she'd have used her 'indecision' to save Alona rather than try to kill her.) -1

Ah, what a mess. :eek: I really hope we manage to net a baddie today. Seems like there are quite a few scapegoats coming under suspicion at the moment, not good. We are getting so divided, I won't be surprised if we finish the wolves' job for them.

And the nickname conversation was...unexpected, to say the least. But then again, my nick is one of the easiest.

Again, seems like a subtle gloating. I could be wrong, but it's like she's trying to appear innocent and yet....blah. +0, because I feel generous lol

Mmmm, neither alona or Form are looking very good right now. I just can't figure out who looks more suspicious...

Who to vote for?

It looks like she's asking advice on how to vote and look the least suspicious. And then....well, you'll see. This in itself isn't horribly bad, I suppose. +0

So, I just realized that I've still not followed up on my promises of a list. How typical of me.

Alona-I just get this... Feeling from her. Like sort of a wolfish feel.

Tum-Has played in an honest sort of manner, not giving any reason to suspect her, unless you count her tie-breaker on Day 1.

Durelin-I don't know very well, so I can't give a clear impression. He seems to have a talent of saying a lot of in-depth stuff, yet being completely anonymous almost.

Form-Could be a wolf, I suppose. But then again, can't everyone else?

Lommy-Is giving out clear opinions, not ringing the bells. Don't think she's a baddie.

Mac-Is there yet not. Kind of hard to analyze.

Mira-Is completely floating over my head. I have no idea what to think of her.

Morm-I am very impressed with. Puts himself out there, but kind of gray, rather than black or white, in terms of role.

Nerwen-Is giving me no idea as to what she is. Not fair, really.

Nessa-You tell me.

Nienna-Is ringing those tinkly little bells, but there's no reason for me to go after her.

Rikae-Is maybe a bit suspicious, but I don't think she's a wolf.

Sally-I am pretty sure of her innocence at this point. I saw sally!wolf in action last game, and she's completely different this time around.

Shasta-Well, if anything, I know he's not the cobbler, or he'd be catching wolves off the hook.

Well, I kind of suppose I don't know anything about anyone. I think I'm one of the only ones to fail at list making.

Doesn't really give a true suspicion/opinion on anyone. Some people do fail at that (heck, I'm one of them) but this seems wrong. -1

Gah! I'm so sorry!

Nada. +0

Well, I have no idea where my vote should go. It would be Alona, but I'll be sleeping at deadline, and I am loathe to vote someone who has no chance to defend themselves. Sooo.....

++no vote

She has suspects from before and yet now she can't figure out who to vote for? Really?! -1, because each post is only +/-1 so I can only take one point.

I really don't see why people find my giving a valid reason for votes(or no-votes) suspicious. Voting while someone is unable to defend themselves has already lost us more innocents than baddies.

Yes, but we can't hide behind no votes, especially when we have good suspects. Fair point, but no. -1

Hmm, Morm, you seem to bangwagon quite a bit, I've noticed after reading some. Quite suspicious if I may say so.

I suspected Morm myself so I can't fairly take off a point for this. So meh. +0

I'm sorry about my early-vote again. I always have trouble with deadlines being in the middle of the night. :rolleyes:

++Morm

She didn't mention him all that much. Hmmmm....random....+0, to be nice

Sally, how many times have you talked about looking at me and still not done it.

But, toDay, I think I have to side with Tum.

++Form

At least she's said things about him before, so meh. And I finally did you, so there! :p+0


Total: -10. Ouch, that's harsh.

EDIT in advance: I'm going to edit in my total, so I hope that's okay. I need to make sure I'm right.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally, dear, I'm afraid those fluttering eyelashes have set my heat a pitter-patter too, and I'm much too dazed to come up with the eloquent wooing you so richly deserve: the fine music and poetry of a Byronic knight below the balcony of a Tennyson princess. But surely, in your majestic compassion and wisdom, you could be brought to vote for that terribly suspicious Lommy. Would it help any if I said she was distracting me from the adoration of your beauty?

(On other notes... I'd be amenable to a Nessa vote instead of a Lommy vote. Mac? Nienna? )

*feels knees going weak*

May....be....

[satansaloser2005]

I still prefer a Nessa lynch, but I could be talked into a Lommie lynch. I put her in my goodie section but she was supposed to have a question mark too (blast me being distracted!).


This for now though.


++Nessa


I think she's one of the best bear candidates we've got.

[Macalaure]

Nessa made one pitiful post toDay. What do we do if she ends up as an ordo? We will be where we are now, just (probably) two innocents less. Let's not shoot into the dark...

[satansaloser2005]

Nessa made one pitiful post toDay. What do we do if she ends up as an ordo? We will be where we are now, just (probably) two innocents less. Let's not shoot into the dark...

You have a point, but if she's the bear we can't afford to leave her.

[autume98]

I'd be willing to retract and vote Lommy, but I can't wait until the last minute to do so.

[Formendacil]

I still prefer a Nessa lynch, but I could be talked into a Lommie lynch. I put her in my goodie section but she was supposed to have a question mark too (blast me being distracted!).


This for now though.


++Nessa


I think she's one of the best bear candidates we've got.

Huh.

Well, we'll see if there's any poetry now. Look at you, Sally, disappointing Nienna like that.

Mind you... I am amenable to a Nessa lynch...

[Formendacil]

Nessa made one pitiful post toDay. What do we do if she ends up as an ordo? We will be where we are now, just (probably) two innocents less. Let's not shoot into the dark...

On the other hand, if Nessa is a baddie, you don't think she's going to actually say enough toMorrow to convict her, do you?

[satansaloser2005]

Huh.

Well, we'll see if there's any poetry now. Look at you, Sally, disappointing Nienna like that.

Mind you... I am amenable to a Nessa lynch...

I can flirt too, ya know. :Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

Nessa's hiding behind her quiet nature, and she's not helping anyway. Kill her!






:p

[Nienna]

I really don't think Nessa is the Bear. I can't really remember one thing she has posted... even looking at Sally's analysis. I'd rather vote for Lommy who has had more Bear tendencies not to mention the experience to pull it off.

[Nienna]

Lommy--> Form
Mira--> Autume
Autume--> Form
Nessa--> Form
Mac--> Lommy
Sally--> Nessa

Form 3, Autume, Nessa, and Lommy 1

Still to vote:
Form
Nerwen
Nienna

[Formendacil]

I can flirt too, ya know. :Merisu:

Yes, but Sally All-Beautiful, you can't play so hard to get! By your very loftiness, you utterly daunt the mere man that would attempt to scale the metaphorical heights of your affections. The merest hint of your disinterest is enough to convince the would-be wooer that he stands less of a chance in your heart than a snowball in the circle of Hades reserved for traitors and mutineers.

[Macalaure]

I'd be willing to retract and vote Lommy, but I can't wait until the last minute to do so.

If you can't wait, do so now. :)

[satansaloser2005]

*swoons*


Aw, fine.


++Lommie

[satansaloser2005]

Whoops. I meant

--Nessa

++Lommie

[Nienna]

Sally you didn't retract.

[Formendacil]

*swoons*


Aw, fine.


++Lommie

*kisses Sally with reckless passion*

:p

Oh...

Wait...

I guess my own superpower would preclude more than talking about it.

++ Thinlomien

[Nienna]

++ Lommy

[satansaloser2005]

If she's innocent I'm gonna be mad. I'm just sayin'.


And everyone better take a dang good look at Nessa overnight.

[Nienna]

Lommy--> Form
Mira--> Autume
Autume--> Form
Nessa--> Form
Mac--> Lommy
Sally--> Nessa
--Sally-- Nessa
Sally--> Lommy
Form--> Lommy
Nienna--> Lommy
--Autume-- Form
Autume--> Lommy

Lommy 4, Form 2, Autume 1

Still to vote:
Nerwen

[autume98]

--Form

++Lommy

[satansaloser2005]

*kisses Sally with reckless passion*

:p

Oh...

Wait...

I guess my own superpower would preclude more than talking about it.



....

....

:o

[satansaloser2005]

Yeah, I don't think Nerwen's gonna show.

[Macalaure]

I guess it's sealed then. Let's hope the best. Even if we all voted randomly we would have nearly a 50% chance of lynching some kind of baddie.

As an aside, considering that Rikae and Durelin were killed last night and my barely-questioned innocent status, I am led to suspect that some of you baddies might be interested in killing me this night. I sincerely hope you are wise enough not to make the mistake to do so. I perfectly know why it would be the worst thing you could do, and so should you. Don't disappoint me, please.

[Nerwen]

Hi all. You should probably know that I've had some RL issues (work-related, nothing terrible) the past couple of days.

Why is everyone voting Lommy now?

I was here waiting for the first person to say "but morm was so suspicious!", and you just won the prize. And don't say "but I asked why".

He actually was, though.

EDIT:X'd since autume.

[satansaloser2005]

....It got quiet. This makes me very sad. :(


EDIT: x'd with Mac and Nerwen

[alonariel]

DL. Silence.

Given permission by Boro to post. Lommy is lynched. She was...



an ordo.

[wilwarin538]

Co-mod note:

Will most likely be covering for Boro tomorrow so if anyone who needs to send in a name can please send it to me aswell as Boro, that would be lovely. :)

[wilwarin538]

The D-league vs. The Dark Monarch
Volume 2, Issue 4:The Fall of Penguin Royalty

It was a fairly slow day for our heroes, but an exciting one nonetheless due to the lovely balance of romance and violence. A few votes were tossed out for Form at the beginning, as well as one for Autume, but things are always subject to change.

“I think we should lynch Lommy!” Form declared. Mac agreed with this idea.

“But I find Nessa more suspicious!” Sally said, feeling torn (figuratively of course).

“Poetry! Poetry!” Nienna exclaimed hopefully.

“But my dear sweet beautiful Sally, please side with me, for I adore thee oh so greatly!” Form said softly , in an attempt to woo her to his side.

“May…be…” Sally replied, feeling weak in the knees. “I vote for Nessa though…wait, no…ok fine, I vote for Lommy.”

Form kisses her passionately, as Autume also switches to Lommy. After the romantic feel has left the premises the heroes all gang up on Prin-Guin Lommy. Cue the violence.

“But…but…I’m innocent…” she sobbed sadly, waddling back a few steps and adjusting her crown.

The heroes stand there at a bit of loss, trying to remain strong while still wishing they simply had a rope.

“How do you kill a penguin?” Mira pondered out loud.

“Don’t killer whales eat penguins?!” Mac suggested, not so helpfully.

“And where do you propose we find a killer whale? I doubt they have any at the supermarket.” Nessa commented sarcastically, rolling her eyes.

“Well I have this blow up whale I got on my last trip to Marineland (http://accessniagara.com/attractions/marineland/images/Marineland-Logo.gif)!” Sally suggested, pulling the toy out of nowhere. Nerwen grabbed it and bonked Lommy over the head with it.

“Ouch!” Lommy declared, as her crown fell to the ground. She was still alive.

Nerwen tossed the perfectly safe and non-lethal toy behind her *insert screeching cat sound here*. The heroes stood there, still eyeing Lommy, all at a loss.

“Well fine then, if you can’t think of a way to kill me I’m getting out of here!” Lommy cried, turning quickly in hopes of running away. She began to waddle away awkwardly but tripped over her fallen crown and tumbled down the conveniently placed staircase.

The heroes hurried quickly to the stairs and watched the Prin-Guin topple all the way down and then stop moving. No transformation occurred.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Living

wilwa (the Dark Monarch)

autume- Lady Tum, The Fish Whisperer, can converse with fish
Formendacil- Celibateman, saving girls everywhere from awkward 1st dates
Macalaure- The Incredible Sulk, when angry he turns green and pouts
Mira- Narcolepsy girl, falls asleep at the most inoppurtune moment
Nerwen- The Reverser, can read and write backwards
Nessa- Laughing Lass, can make others laugh uncontrollably
Nienna- Word Cloud Girl, analyzes people based on the frequency of the words they use
sally- Movie quotes girl, quotes/recognizes quotes out of movies and TV

Dead

Boro- Wild-eye (Night 1)
Fea- Doctor Girlfriend, died from sheer awesomeness (Day 1) - ordo
Pitch- Studebaker Hawk, fell to his death (Day 1) - Seer
Hakon- Leaf Man, made into firewood (Night 2) - ordo
Lari- Hover Girl, broken neck (Night 2) - ordo
Inziladun- Dr. Electron, used as filament (Day 2) - ordo
the phantom- Candor Man, taken by special request of the Monarch (Night 3) - ordo
Brinniel- Butterfingers, caught herself on fire (Night 3) - ordo
alonariel- Charms girl, killed by Norm (Day 3) - Firefly
Norm- sacrificed himself to kill alona (Day 3) - No votes
Shasta- Mr. E., No longer with the shadows (Night 4) - Ranger
morm- Athletes' foot man, sprayed with Tinactin (Day 4)- ordo
Rikae- Doktor Quatsch, scrabbled by the wolves (Night 5)- BFF
Durelin- Felis Grey, bear strangled her with cats' tails (Night 5)-Hunter
Lommy- Prin-Guin, toppled down stairs, inflated killer whale involved (Day 5) - ordo


Still Night time! No posting please.

[wilwarin538]

The D-league vs. The Dark Monarch
Volume 2, Issue 5: *Insert Witty Title Here*

It was another super dark night as our heroes slept peacefully in their beds. Well, not all of them. Some weren’t sleeping at all; in fact 2 in particular were sneaking through the halls on their way to the room of their next victim. It was still a mystery as to how they never awoke anyone, since they were extremely bad at sneakyness.

At this same moment another hero was also not sleeping safely in her bed, she was sleeping in the middle of the hallway. After the brief (and unplanned) nap the shapeshifter finally awoke and continued on to the room of her next, and final, victim.

When she tapped soflty on the door, the whispering that could be heard from within was promptly quieted. After a pause Autume answered the door.

“What are you doing up so late?” she asked as she returned to her chair and continued her one-way conversation with the blue fish. (the orange one was ignoring her tonight and the purple one was busy eating).

“Well you see, Lady Tum…” the intruder began as she transformed into the bear that she was, “I kinda came to kill you.”

And that’s exactly what she did. Afterwards she pulled out her bear shaped post-it notes and her fluffy green pen and began to scrawl down her message like usual. However, she didn’t have the chance to finish…

“There you are Mira.” Pain said as he walked up to her and tapped her on the shoulder. Mira spun around and gasped, but before she could fully transform she was knocked down by a large gust of wind. She attempted to get up, still trying to transform, but then she fell asleep at this most inopportune moment.

“That makes it easier.” Pain said before attacking the slumbering she-bear. As he did this, quiet loudly I might add, Gust grabbed Mira’s fluffly pen and pulled out a butterfly shaped note-pad.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

The heroes awoke the following morning and were sad to see that yet again 2 more heroes were missing. They went first to the room of Autume, the fish whisperer. As they walked in they beheld quiet the bloodbath, and knew this was the only room they’d have to be visiting that morning.

The bath part of the bloodbath was on the left side of the room, where a wide mouthed Autume had been stuffed into her fish tank. The orange fish was still ignoring her, the purple one was belly-up and the blue one seemed quite distraught at the loss of his master. There was a note posted awkwardly to the side of the tank that read:

Dear heroes:

Lady Tum was having difficulty sleeping, so I thought perhaps she’d be more content to sleep with her fishes. Hope you all have an aaaaaggghhhhhhh……

Rather then trying to make sense of this odd note the heroes turned their attention to the other side of the room, where the blood part of the bloodbath had taken place. Here they found a mangled and bloody Mira. But she wasn’t just normal Mira. One of her hands was actually a bear paw, she had a cute little tail and big brown ears, as well as fluffy brown fur sticking out in random places.

“So she was the bear!” Mac pointed out, in case someone hadn’t yet put the pieces together.

“How ironic, the villains actually helped us out.” Sally exclaimed relieved, but still quiet distraught as they were all still eyeing Autume in their peripheral.

“There’s a note!” Nerwen said as she reached down and picked up the blue, butterfly shaped paper.


Dear super lame heroes, that aren’t as cool as us:

You’re welcome. We know we’re awesome. Have a nice day.

Long live the Dark Monarch in all her amazingly wonderful, extremely gorgeous, non-grotesque evil powerfulness!

Best regards,
Gust & Pain


~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Living

wilwa (the Dark Monarch)

Formendacil- Celibateman, saving girls everywhere from awkward 1st dates
Macalaure- The Incredible Sulk, when angry he turns green and pouts
Nerwen- The Reverser, can read and write backwards
Nessa- Laughing Lass, can make others laugh uncontrollably
Nienna- Word Cloud Girl, analyzes people based on the frequency of the words they use
sally- Movie quotes girl, quotes/recognizes quotes out of movies and TV

Dead

Boro- Wild-eye (Night 1)
Fea- Doctor Girlfriend, died from sheer awesomeness (Day 1) - ordo
Pitch- Studebaker Hawk, fell to his death (Day 1) - Seer
Hakon- Leaf Man, made into firewood (Night 2) - ordo
Lari- Hover Girl, broken neck (Night 2) - ordo
Inziladun- Dr. Electron, used as filament (Day 2) - ordo
the phantom- Candor Man, taken by special request of the Monarch (Night 3) - ordo
Brinniel- Butterfingers, caught herself on fire (Night 3) - ordo
alonariel- Charms girl, killed by Norm (Day 3) - Firefly
Norm- sacrificed himself to kill alona (Day 3) - No votes
Shasta- Mr. E., No longer with the shadows (Night 4) - Ranger
morm- Athletes' foot man, sprayed with Tinactin (Day 4)- ordo
Rikae- Doktor Quatsch, scrabbled by the wolves (Night 5)- BFF
Durelin- Felis Grey, bear strangled her with cats' tails (Night 5)-Hunter
Lommy- Prin-Guin, toppled down stairs, inflated killer whale involved (Day 5) – ordo
autume- Lady Tum, The Fish Whisperer, forced to sleep with the fishes (Night 6)- ordo
Mira- Narcolepsy girl, attacked and mangled mid-shift (Night 6)- Shape-shifter


DAY 6 NOW. It’s early, so try to refrain from posting for atleast a little closer to the DL, though I doubt Boro will punish you for starting a bit early. My dear villains can continue to PM til the DL if they so wish, though once posting starts it would probably be best if you stopped. :) Have fun!

[Macalaure]

Alright, just so everybody knows, if we don't lynch a wolf toDay, we're done. With two wolves, a cobbler, and only three innocents, our chances are slim, very slim. I'll be back later toDay, and I really only have one thing to share with you for the moment. In case you've been wondering about my weird last post yesterDay, know that it was a pure bluff. I'm actually rather surprised that the wolves and the bear fell for it. (Then again, maybe they didn't, and left me alive intentionally so that I make people lynch innocents again. :rolleyes: )

Anyway, the proof can be found here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606617&postcount=130) and here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=606940&postcount=363). First letter in each sentence is the key.

~Mac, BFF.

PS: Just in case someone didn't do the math, no, lynching the cobbler is not a good idea and will result in a loss (and me getting on a plane and coming to bite you).

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, I was obviously wrong about Nessa being the bear, and at least now we're rid of her. I'm admittedly too busy to analyze someone very well toDay but I'll do my best. If anyone is planning on analyzing her I'd really appreciate it if you quote her posts, so that way I don't have to look through the thread to find them all. (Don't mean to be needy but I can't guarantee I'll be active most of the day so I want to help and that would make it easier for me.)



Oh, and I'm pretty sure Tum was another of Mira's random kills.



Sorry, have to go. Try to get on again for a second before I go to bed but for now I'll be off. :)


EDIT: Lol Mac. I thought you were the other BFF but I couldn't see Boro putting you and Rikae together. You've my allegiance.

EDIT #2: But what if I want to be bitten? :(:p

[Nienna]

Yay Mac. A known innocent. We really need as many innocents as we can get right now with these odds. I've been kind of assuming you were a lover and am glad to be correct. I'm glad the bear is gone and we can analyze Mira's posts but since she posted very little I'm not sure how much information we can get out of them. She also was working alone so she wouldn't be really pointing to anyone.
Those were just some thoughts. I will be around for most of toDay so I can help as much as possible. We also need to hear much more from Form, Nerwen, and Nessa.

[satansaloser2005]

Quick list in order of suspicion, from top suspect to little old innocent me. :)


Form/Nienna/Nessa
Nerwen (cobbler most likely)
Mac
Sally


Crap. That really tells me nothing. :(

[satansaloser2005]

Actually I still find Nessa more suspicious, so she's at the top. Other than that I guess it's fine for now.


Placeholder vote anyone?

++Nessa

Just in case I get home tomorrow and crash for the rest of the Day.


Say lots while I'm gone, and let's hope to catch a baddie! :D

[wilwarin538]

better be a lot more posts when I wake up......fear the butterfly's wrath....

[Nerwen]

?dnuora enoynA

[satansaloser2005]

?dnuora enoynA


Looks to be just you and me and I'm heading out so alas.

[Nerwen]

Looks to be just you and me and I'm heading out so alas.

But we must post, or the butterfly will get us!

[Macalaure]

I still find Nerwen mostly cobbler-ish.
Form is probably innocent, but I'm not sure.
I'm really uncertain about Nienna.
Nessa - I'd hate losing to such a silent werewolf, but, if we lynch her toDay, I'd also hate losing to the wolves because of such a silent innocent.
Sally looks very guilty, and since this is Boro's game, I'm tempted to try out some Boro-wisdom: If it looks like a wolf, sounds like a wolf, smells like a wolf, chances are it's a wolf.

If Sally is a wolf, then Nessa most likely isn't, which means I'm wrong about Form or Nienna (or Nerwen).

[Macalaure]

I'm glad the bear is gone and we can analyze Mira's posts but since she posted very little I'm not sure how much information we can get out of them. She also was working alone so she wouldn't be really pointing to anyone.If you think there's little information to be gotten from it, then why do it? Why don't you go over the posts of Sally, Form, Nerwen, and Nessa instead, instead of just saying they need to post more?

We also need to hear much more from Form, Nerwen, and Nessa.Yes, Sally is loud enough, but Form's participation is not really lacking either. This can easily be seen as a subtle attempt to steer the discussion away from Sally. Pairing Nienna and Sally (+1 baddie-point).

[wilwarin538]

But we must post, or the butterfly will get us!

Too late...consider you all gotten! :p

[Nienna]

Some morning thoughts. I think Sally is the most suspicious right now.

If you think there's little information to be gotten from it, then why do it? Why don't you go over the posts of Sally, Form, Nerwen, and Nessa instead, instead of just saying they need to post more?

I don't plan on analyzing Mira and I was trying to dissuade others from as well since I think it is pointless. I do plan on going over the other players but there seems to be very little to analyze about Nerwen and Nessa especially since they haven't posted very much, which is why I think they should post more. Form I just can't get a read on so it would be nice if he posted more.

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry I couldn't post more this morning; was dashing off to the airport and didn't wake up as early as I'd planned.

I think that if Nessa is a wolf, Form is too. YesterDay he started being all cute around the time I was going to vote Nessa, and I don't think it was just to save his own skin. So if one of them is, I think both of them are.


We have six toDay, yes? So we have to get it right toDay or we lose. Oh, goodie. No pressure on me at all, is there? :(

[Nerwen]

I think that if Nessa is a wolf, Form is too. YesterDay he started being all cute around the time I was going to vote Nessa, and I don't think it was just to save his own skin.(

Well... I wouldn't be surprised. In fact, as a preliminary vote–

++Form.

Might change this later, of course.

[Nienna]

Nessa: Posted one post yesterDay and sided with Tum about Form. Tum didn’t really post any suspicion of Form yesterDay to be sided with. It seemed like Nessa just kind of jumped onto something because she showed some concern about Form in the past and someone else had voted for him already. If she is an innocent then she needs to do much more to help us win. We need to make sure we lynch a wolf today or we lose.

Nerwen: Posted once yesterday right before deadline wondering why everyone was voting for Lommy, defended her Morm vote and that was it. She posted twice today both of which didn’t say anything about the game. I wish she would post her suspicions or analyze us or something. I don’t want to let a wolf slip past but I also don’t want to lynch someone who isn’t a wolf.

Mac: Innocent.

Form: I can’t really get a read on him. He could be the cobbler trying to save a Nessa wolf.


Nerwen is back!! Has posted more today! Nerwen! What do you think about people??

More on Form and Sally later.

[Nerwen]

Nerwen is back!! Has posted more today! Nerwen! What do you think about people?? .

I hate them. All of them– er, I mean–

I don't know why you all think I'm think I'm the cobbler. I mean, sure, I haven't been playing my best but still... I voted Mira, didn't I? Not that it matters what you think just as long as you don't lynch me toDay, becauase then we're done for!:eek:

Mac– clearly innocent, witness Rikae's hidden message. (I'm kicking myself now– I guessed there was going to be one in that very post, but I thought it would be backwards!)

I think Sally is the cobbler. I know I followed her vote on Form, but then I've found Form suspicious-ish for ages.

No idea about Nessa. She's been under my radar the entire game.

As for you– well, based on your voting earlier, I thought you might be a wolf, but I'm not so sure now.

[satansaloser2005]

Hey Nerwen do you happen to remember who first suggested you as cobbler? I'm looking but I've not found it yet and it'd help if anyone could tell me.

*goes back to searching*

[Nienna]

Nerwen - cobbler, period.

Pretty sure this was it...

[satansaloser2005]

Morm mentioned (in post 1126) that he thought me as the first choice for cobbler, with Nerwen as another possibility.

Mac then mentions it again in post 1143, saying that she looks more and more cobblerish to him.

Morm mentions it again in post 1156, saying that Nerwen fits for cobbler.

Durie mentions Nerwen as a cobbler candidate in post 1168.

Lommie agrees in post 1196.

In post 1238 Mac says he's worried about her, but I can't tell if he thinks her cobbler or true baddie so I'm including it.

Morm tells Tum that Nerwen's the cobbler in post 1263, and adds that he thinks she's a bit rubbish at it.

In post 1266 Morm says he thinks Nerwen is the cobbler (again!) but also mentions that she could be a wolf posing as a cobbler. (Which is, incidentally, why I'm making this post. You'll see, hopefully.)

Post 1346, Mac says Nerwen's a cobbler, no arguments allowed.

Tum says in post 1365 that she thinks Nerwen or I could be the cobbler, but isn't sure which.

Mac says that unless Nerwen's being really hardcore, she's the cobbler. Post 1366.

Lommie says in post 1374 that the bear is Morm and Nerwen's the cobbler.

In my post 1433 toDay I say Nerwen's my cobbler candidate.



Okie dokie, the reason for this. I'm thinking that if Nerwen's actually a wolf, the person who started/heavily supported the theory may be her packmate.

My problem? I have to head out for a bit. (I will get back to this, I promise.) Before I go, would anyone like me hug/poke/bite/etc. the duck for them? :)

[Formendacil]

I think that if Nessa is a wolf, Form is too. YesterDay he started being all cute around the time I was going to vote Nessa, and I don't think it was just to save his own skin. So if one of them is, I think both of them are.

Sally dear, you are too cruel. I was quite willing to lynch either Lommy or Nessa for the simple reason neither looked innocent to me, and I was willing to go along with either Mac or yourself, or preferably both. I'm still amenable to a Nessa-waggon, incidentally.

++ Nessa

I can, of course, revoke and change that later, but I still think she looks suspicious--two wolves surviving this late in the game suggests, to me, a very quiet wolf with few trails, and it may just be me, but I'd much prefer to take out that wolf, though I'm willing to change if this is a position that leaves me alone in the cold.

I'm home with family and it's a mostly nice Sunday, so I'm not sure how much I'll be around. I'm around right now, and I'll be around by the deadline, but my fingers are raw with Legoing, and I'm itching to get back to that, my thrice a year hobby.

[satansaloser2005]

Hey, anything's possible! It's a possible connection, not necessarily the only one. Oh, and another idea. Nessa as my sweet Formie's cobbler? Anyone?

(Not meaning to stir and run but I'm on for just a second in Mnemo's room so I shall leave here and then come back again later. :D)

[Boromir88]

I wanted apologize to everyone for the last couple days. I'm at a library, and still no net access at home. It's driving me insane. I've been filled in by some people and caught up on the rest. Thanks everyone, it's been a frustrating couple days.

[Nerwen]

Okie dokie, the reason for this. I'm thinking that if Nerwen's actually a wolf, the person who started/heavily supported the theory may be her packmate.

Well, I'm not a wolf, so there.:p

[satansaloser2005]

Seems I have a couple minutes so I'll return to my Nerwen post, sort of.


Mac's supported the theory quite a bit but I'm inclined to believe that he's married to his best friend so I don't think he's the wolf in this chain of fools, etc.


....And I know nothing. Blah, I feel useless. I think it would make a lot of sense to have Nerwen and Formie as wolves and Nessa as a cobbler.

Of course Nerwen could legitimately just be busy, so I'm more for voting Form toDay. Nessa's popped to cobbler status so I'll probably retract her unless I decide she really is a wolf.


Oh, and vote count is Nessa 2, Form 1, everyone else zip. Just in case you're wondering.

[Macalaure]

Only time for a few quick comments now.

I think that if Nessa is a wolf, Form is too.

I'm not sure Nessa's vote for Form fits in with that, unless Form really thought he was dead.

I don't know why you all think I'm think I'm the cobbler.

We've been thinking that for a day or two now, why, if you're not the cobbler, do you only complain now?

I mean, sure, I haven't been playing my best but still... I voted Mira, didn't I?

Mira is the bear and thus not even on the cobbler's side, but actually, this mistake makes you look less cobbler-ish.

I'm thinking that if Nerwen's actually a wolf, the person who started/heavily supported the theory may be her packmate.

Good point, unfortunately, all that did are now known innocents. ;)


I'm wondering whether I made too much of the likeliness of Durelin choosing Nienna. I can vividly imagine her shouting expletives at the screen when I came up with it. :D I think I will analyse her briefly later.

[satansaloser2005]

Yeah, I was sad when I realized that it didn't make sense. I thought I was on to something. :(

[Macalaure]

Day1:

Form -> Mira (1)
Alona -> Hakon (2)
Sally -> Hakon (3)
Nessa -> Rikae (2)
Nienna -> Pitch (3)
Form -> Nessa (1)

Sally votes with Alona and thus looks bad, though it means very little on Day1.
Nienna's vote for Pitch looks bad, of course, but not condemning.
Form's a bit of a throwaway, but according to him he wasn't aware.


Day2:
Alona -> morm (1)
Nerwen -> Mira (2)
Sally -> morm (2)
Nessa -> Alona (2)
Form -> Inzil (3)
Nienna -> Shasta (1)
Alona -> Inzil (4)
Sally -> Inzil (5)

Sally votes with Alona, again.
Nessa casts a crucial vote against Alona. If Alona had been in really serious danger, it could have been a vote to sacrifice her, but it wasn't so yet.
Form's vote for Inzil looks moderately bad.
Nienna puts in a near-throwaway.
Sally's rescue looks particularly evil.


Day3:

Alona -> none
Nessa -> none
Sally -> morm (1)
Form -> Alona (2)
Nienna -> morm (3)
Nerwen -> morm (4)

Would Nessa really follow Alona with her trick? It looks so risky to me...
Form's vote for Alona looks good, but you have to keep the circumstances in mind.
Nienna's vote for morm looks bad.
Nerwen's vote for him looks good, though (if you discount cobblery), because Alona looked thoroughly dead at that point.


Day4:

Nessa -> morm (1)
Nerwen -> morm (2)
Form -> morm (3)
Nienna -> morm (4)
Sally -> morm (5)

The entire morm-waggon is still alive? Yikes! :eek: That deserves an extra-post.


Day5:

Nessa -> Form (2)
Sally -> Nessa (1)
Sally -> Lommy (2)
Form -> Lommy (3)
Nienna -> Lommy (4)

Nessa voted for a wolf already, though without lynching her. If she and Form are wolves, this vote would have been really risky.
Sally's willingness to switch votes could point to her being a wolf and not caring which innocent dies.
Form and Nienna had it easy to follow my lead. It looks bad for both.


Two/three votes that would have been risky for a wolf. I just don't believe that Nessa has a pokerface like that. She's not a wolf. I'm also willing to believe that Nerwen, if not the cobbler, is not a wolf. That narrows it down.

[wilwarin538]

Sally --> Nessa
Nerwen --> Form
Form --> Nessa

Nessa 2, Form 1

Left to vote
Mac
Nessa
Nienna

[Macalaure]

A word on toDay's voting: This placeholder voting really got out of hands. Voting early when you're not sure whether you'll be back later is ok, but Sally and Nerwen were both active later. I get the feeling of wolves fishing for the one innocent to cast his/her vote the wrong way. The fact that Nessa received two votes makes it much more worrisome.

Form's vote looks less evil than Sally's and Nerwen's, therefore: Form, don't you know how dangerous a semi-informed early vote on a possible last Day is? :(

Oh, and I just remembered something. Sally, I asked you yesterDay how exactly you came to suspect or non-suspect certain people. I'm still very interested in an answer.

[Nienna]

I'm also worried about the voting. Since it is imperative to catch a wolf today we need to make sure we don't split the vote and make it easy for a wolf to win in the last few seconds. I'm also most worried about Sally right now... I just don't think Nessa is a wolf... :confused:

[satansaloser2005]

Hey I'm back and (if all goes to plan) will be around for the rest of the evening, more or less.

Taking care of this now. I think Nessa's a baddie, but it almost makes more sense for her to be a cobbler and we can't afford to lynch them toDay.

--Nessa

Sorry for the sketchiness earlier; was popping between my computer and Mnemo's but at least I was able to be around. Back for good now, and will catch up on what I've missed and stuff. :)

[Macalaure]

The morm-waggon revisited:

Nessa -> morm - early vote without reasons. *sigh*
Nerwen -> morm - early vote with bad reasons. *sigh*
Form -> morm - his suspicions make most sense.
Nienna -> morm - of course she has to save herself, but she didn't just go after morm for that reason. Her actual suspicion is not well-reasoned. *sigh*
Sally -> morm - very suspicious if Nienna is a wolf, somewhat suspicious if Form is. Reasons? This bandwaggon is the wrong place to look for them...

This makes Form look more innocent again.

I believe Nerwen (yes, I know I just said she was more innocent, but her vote toDay made me reconsider), Nienna, and Sally are evil.

[Macalaure]

Great, and now my two top suspects agree with me about Nessa... :rolleyes:

[Nienna]

Ok... I'm glad that we are all starting to agree on people. Nessa is at worst the cobbler... and if she is the cobbler I'm glad she isn't around to mess with us.

[Macalaure]

If Nessa is innocent, then there's only one active person out there who is actually on my side. :eek:

This is hopeless...

[satansaloser2005]

If Nessa is innocent, then there's only one active person out there who is actually on my side. :eek:

This is hopeless...

Fortunately, that person is here and ready to kick some wolf butt.

Unfortunately, I don't know which butt to kick.:rolleyes:

[wilwarin538]

Sally --> Nessa
Nerwen --> Form
Form --> Nessa
--Sally --> Nessa

Nessa & Form 1

Left to vote
Sally
Mac
Nessa
Nienna

[Macalaure]

Unfortunately, I don't know which butt to kick.:rolleyes:

Can you kick yourself? :p

[satansaloser2005]

Can you kick yourself? :p



I could, but that wouldn't help, so no.

I think Nienna's on our side, but at the same time I'm terrified I'm wrong. :eek:


Going to poke someone down the hall; back in a few minutes.

[Formendacil]

Form, don't you know how dangerous a semi-informed early vote on a possible last Day is? :(

Actually, these circumstances are kind of new for me. It's been a few years since I lasted this long... well, there was one other game... but this is definitely the first with retractable votes.

That being said, I can see what your concern is--it is possible, I guess, for the wolves to turn an early vote into a bandwaggon against an Innocent. On the other hand, we're down to few enough numbers that a couple of retractions at the deadline--especially with at least one villager habitually not being around for the deadline. And, really, as far as it goes, an early vote might just as well flush someone out, if it's actually going to provide a latch-on effect.

[Boromir88]

And Wild-eye is back in business! Woo.

The Dark Monarch can suck a rotten egg! :p

[wilwarin538]

Wild-eye can go.....do something.....that isn't fun......

[satansaloser2005]

Because I know you're interested, my friend's got furniture strewn about her room so she needs my help. Shouldn't be gone long but in case her room bursts into flame or something (;)) I figured I'd keep you amused.


Also, the Dark Monarch likes to cuddle with futon cushions, because no one else loves her.

[Macalaure]

Form wants Nessa, apparently, but not Sally.
Sally wants everyone but Nienna.
Nienna wants Sally, but not Nessa.
Nerwen wants Form, and doesn't say anything else.

Nienna's going after Sally doesn't fit in with my theory of the two being wolves together. Form and Nerwen are very uncommittal toDay, but Nerwen voted for him.

Sally and Nerwen or Form?
Nienna and Nerwen or Form?

[Macalaure]

Come on, people... just above 1 hour to go... can we try to try a bit harder? :(

[Formendacil]

Form wants Nessa, apparently, but not Sally.

Actually, Mac, I've nothing at all against a Sally-waggon. Or, rather, I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

Admittedly, I'm inclined to think Sally is the Cobbler rather than a Wolf, but I don't believe I've said anything to that effect toDay.

The thought *has* occurred to me that if Sally's a Wolf, she probably deserves to win, because she has made the craziest, last-minute, Day-changing votes, and ought to have looked a lot more suspicious than she does. I guess it's a case of looking over-suspicious, though.

[Formendacil]

Come on, people... just above 1 hour to go... can we try to try a bit harder? :(

Doing my best... but I'm a bit of a stimulus-response poster, alas, and there's been low stimulus...

[Macalaure]

Actually, Mac, I've nothing at all against a Sally-waggon. Or, rather, I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

You didn't say much while being friendly with Sally...

[wilwarin538]

Movie Quotes Girl talks to her teddy bears cause no one else wants to talk to her. :p

[satansaloser2005]

The thought *has* occurred to me that if Sally's a Wolf, she probably deserves to win, because she has made the craziest, last-minute, Day-changing votes, and ought to have looked a lot more suspicious than she does. I guess it's a case of looking over-suspicious, though.

Well thanks, lovely, but I'm not a wolf so keep your compliments. :)


I'm trying to decide which of my three candidates is a baddie. I am tempted to go for Nerwen, but I can hardly vote now and then have it be a throwaway because I can't retract again. So I'll be holding my vote (because to be honest I don't trust you lovely people) until the end. If I'd have known I'd be around near DL I wouldn't have voted so early in the first place, but alas.

[satansaloser2005]

Movie Quotes Girl talks to her teddy bears cause no one else wants to talk to her. :p

Oi, shut up you mangy insect! Jack loves me for who I am, and....erm, I mean that's a pile of rubbish. You imagine things, you crazy villain.

[Formendacil]

You didn't say much while being friendly with Sally...

Admittedly true... but I can't really be said to have said anything more towards Nerwen or Nienna either. Scolding Sally for being suspicious of me is hardly the same as being unwilling to vote for her. At this stage in the game, it's much too late to keep someone around because they're fun.

[Macalaure]

Admittedly true... but I can't really be said to have said anything more towards Nerwen or Nienna either. Scolding Sally for being suspicious of me is hardly the same as being unwilling to vote for her. At this stage in the game, it's much too late to keep someone around because they're fun.

If I have little to go on, I go on the little I have.

[Formendacil]

If I have little to go on, I go on the little I have.

Well, I'm not faulting that, obviously--but if I see error, it's my duty to point it out, I rather think.

[Macalaure]

Well, now that that is out of the way, who do you suspect and why?

Actually, I'd like to have that question answered from everyone - it's possibly the last day and nobody but me seems to be playing with open cards. :rolleyes:

[Nienna]

I suspect Sally. She has been the one acting most consistently suspicious all game. Earlier in the game I didn't think that she was guilty but now that we are down to so few and I don't think that a Nessa-wolf would be not around.

[Formendacil]

Well, now that that is out of the way, who do you suspect and why?

Actually, I'd like to have that question answered from everyone - it's possibly the last day and nobody but me seems to be playing with open cards. :rolleyes:

Okay... here's the village as I see it:

Formendacil--that's me--innocent.
Macalaure: presumably Innocent. Presumably because no one else has come out as being the other Shirriff and I think at this stage in the game there's no way a shirriff would let that slide (well, unless it's Nessa...). But no, seriously, I'm as certain as I can be of anything in this game that Mac is innocent.
Nerwen: Quite possibly evil of some sort. Insofar as I think Sally is the Cobbler, she's therefore a wolf.
Nessa: I also incline to think she's evil, but if she's the Cobbler, she's singularly the worst Cobbler I've seen. At this stage in the game, you'd think the Cobbler would want attention. So... a wolf.
Nienna: Less evil than Nerwen or Nessa, I'm not writing her off. If Sally's not the Cobbler, Nienna's my alternate for either Cobbler or Wolf--leaning towards Cobbler at the moment.
Sally: Cobbler. I'm not sure of it, but I'm rather implacably opinionated... but she's not a wolf. I think.

[Macalaure]

I think I'm tending back to thinking Nerwen is the cobbler. Of the other three, the current order would be:

Sally
Form
Nienna

[Nerwen]

I am tempted to go for Nerwen, but I can hardly vote now and then have it be a throwaway because I can't retract again.

Nerwen: Quite possibly evil of some sort. Insofar as I think Sally is the Cobbler, she's therefore a wolf.

*is exasperated*

Look! What is wrong with you all? Don't you see that at this point a wolf would want to be thought cobbler-ish? Would I have objected to that if I were a wolf? That's the last thing a wolf would do!

EDIT:X'd with Mac.

[satansaloser2005]

I think I'm tending back to thinking Nerwen is the cobbler. Of the other three, the current order would be:

Sally
Form
Nienna

*buzzer*


Wrong. Thanks for playing, please try again.


EDIT: Whoops! Didn't see I x'd with Nerwen

[satansaloser2005]

++Form


?



Really, I'm not sure. It's driving me bonkers. :(

[Formendacil]

*is exasperated*

Look! What is wrong with you all? Don't you see that at this point a wolf would want to be thought cobbler-ish? Would I have objected to that if I were a wolf? That's the last thing a wolf would do!

EDIT:X'd with Mac.

Unless you were a wolf who wanted us to think you were a cobbler who wasn't a wolf pretending to be the cobbler...

There's always another layer that can be put on that particular onion, and it gets dizzy trying to sort them out.

Quite frankly, the Cobbler this game baffles me completely... unless it's Nessa, in which case that's less her role than her lack of posts. With 6 people left alive, (3 baddies), the Cobbler could play a pivotal role--indeed, if it isn't Nessa, probably will, so it seems worth trying to figure out whom that would be.

[Macalaure]

Don't you see that at this point a wolf would want to be thought cobbler-ish?That's a good point, actually. Although it is possible that a wolf would do it - for credibility.

[Formendacil]

++Form


?



Really, I'm not sure. It's driving me bonkers. :(

Sally dear, that makes me very sad... but you should really highlight it if you want it to count--and then it's locked in, and--try to imagine--what if you've voted for the Cobbler? The Cobbler's death is just as bad today as an Ordo's.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally dear, that makes me very sad... but you should really highlight it if you want it to count--and then it's locked in, and--try to imagine--what if you've voted for the Cobbler? The Cobbler's death is just as bad today as an Ordo's.

It's not my vote, it's a proposal. And at this point making you sad isn't an issue. Sorry, my sweet savior from unsavory social situations.


Cobbler, eh? So that's what you're saying?

[Macalaure]

Sally dear, that makes me very sad... but you should really highlight it if you want it to count--and then it's locked in, and--try to imagine--what if you've voted for the Cobbler? The Cobbler's death is just as bad today as an Ordo's.Why would an ordo say such a thing? :confused:

[satansaloser2005]

Why would an ordo say such a thing? :confused:

See? Now you see my dilemma!


Mac, you're the only person I trust. (And if you're lying I will END you.) I know you're fallible, but what are you thinking?

[Macalaure]

Right now, I'm changing my opinion every two minutes...

[satansaloser2005]

Also, if we do get a baddie toDay *crosses fingers* Mac will undoubtedly be the Night kill. In such a case, Mac dear, who do you have set up as pairings? (Aka if X is a wolf Y is also.) Again, I know you're not always right, but I trust your opinions more than people who may have fur or sharp nails.


EDIT: x'd with Mac. Heh, tell me about it. Also, did you already post what I just asked? I'll go check.

[Macalaure]

At the moment, my money is on Nienna and Form.