Tol-in-Gaurhoth LXVIII: A Full Moon Over Innsmouth

[Inziladun]

The "Cursed" or "Cursed Villager" is an ordinary villager who, if picked by the wolves at Night, doesn't die but instead becomes a wolf himself. There isn't one in this game. In fact I think the last game with a Cursed in it was about a year ago.

I seem to remember Wilwa's game with Little Red Cap. ;)

Anyway, I'm looking at Legate and Nerwen's votes for Lari yesterDay. Brinn and Loslote were tied; then Legate gave the first vote for Lari. He'd done some analysis on her, and his vote couldn't really be said to be out of left field. Now, there were still Nog and Nerwen to vote, so there was a very real possibility Lari could have been lynched. Nog then went with Loslote, with Nerwen following up with Lari. Nerwen had said she was thinking of voting Lari, based on Lari's comment about Brinn being a 'fed up innocent'.
Legate, I think, looks pretty good. Nerwen is less certain, though she did point out that possible slip of Lari's.

[Roa_Aoife]

Wilwa must be the last wolf, and here's why:

The wolves naturally want to kill the biggest threat to them, which is the seer. When the seer is revealed, they cannot accurately target the seer, because the ranger is in the way. If we have two revealed rangers, neither is a wolf, and neither is the Agent (Morsul removed that possibility for us), then the wolves have two targets and no reason to leave either alive: If they kill one, then the village would naturally lynch the other, and they could happily kill the seer.

Furthermore, if the wolves believed that Wilwa was the ranger, then there was no call to attack Pitch last night, as Wilwa clearly stated that she would be protecting him. The wolves would only risk losing the kill in a village of this size if they were certain that Pitch would NOT be protected. For that to happen, they would have to believe that Hakon was telling the truth about his protection. This also explains why they didn't kill the seer before- they believed that the real ranger Hakon would be protecting him.

It seems to me that they realized the charade couldn't go on, and decided to kill the seer before he could bring any more known innocents to light, or worse (for them) find a wolf. Wilwa was a gonner anyways, but had Lari not been found out, she may have been able to stave off the suspicion of her for some time- at least until the knowns were out of the way.

[Nerwen]

Lari on the unknown players (Day 2)
Together with a selection of things people said about her

#129.
And SPM was a wolf. Seems to confirm Pitch.

#145.
Among those who voted after said reveal, Lari is the only one who had voiced suspicion of SpM earlier and, as Kit points out, might have voted him anyway. Looks good as well.

#149.
As for Lari's interaction with SpM (especially such as on the second page), well, I must say I was slightly suspicious of Lari by the end of yesterDay, after looking at SpM's posts, but on the other hand, orchestrating a Wolf-on-Wolf suspicion on such a weird comment, like saying that SpM is an Agent... unless it would be a deliberate way of creating a "shield" to defend SpM in the future (the Wolves could then say "hey yes, he is suspicious, but he's likely just an Agent, so let's not waste a lynch on him"). But for some reason that sounds to me quite too much complicated plan, which I don't think the Wolves would pull so soon.
I don't know why Legate says this, as it's common enough for wolves to pose as cobblers. Otherwise, I don't see anything wrong with this post.

#172.
[from long analysis of Nogrod.]

The whole Lari thing- he says that he “thinks” some suspicions had been raised against Wilwa, when he himself started raising them, albeit subtly, and then tries to fit in a comment made by Lari taken out of context and twisted a bit to fit in with this. I find this to be a very subtle attempt to start swaying suspicion towards Wilwa, which would be especially sinister given his previous statements about people saying what they think. He keeps insinuating Wilwa’s guilt without ever following through.

(...)

On the whole, it’s his case against Wilwa and Lari that make him look the most suspicious. Whether Wilwa is an innocent or a wolf, the subtlety in his case after telling people to speak their minds and stir things up is highly suspicious.

You'd think she was Lari's BFF, wouldn't you? However, her analysis of Lari herself presents a different picture.

#212.
The Dreamer revels...well if I sort of had any doubts about Pitch my doubts about Morsul have increased ten fold. However, I am leaning towards what others are saying about him maybe being the Agent. Mostly because he is new to the game and possibly a new confused Agent would think of a bold and risky move to either get the wolves attention or to save the pack. Though I'm not sure who he is trying to save, but time(hopefully) will tell.

The Priest revels...klsdfskfj...Ok now that that is out. I have no idea what to think. On one hand Hakon's boasty "haha! I has fooled the wolves by not protecting Pitch but I shall toNight! And oh yes! Let me add that I know SPM was a wolf!" sounds very much like him. But at the same time it sounds enough like him to make me doubt it. He did some weird game logic stuff before and for all we know this is the same thing.

And then Wilwa revels. And claims that no really she totally did protect Pitch last Night. And even admits saying that was who she protected was bad(after being caught by Roa(?). Her revel seems...more I don't want to say genuine, because in his own way Hakon sounds very genuine. Her's seems less gloating. And she mentioned that there were clues, which can obviously be faked and planted everywhere, but some people do rely on them to work and for when they revel having tangible evidence to prove their role.

However, this could be a bold move by two wolves trying to survive. Or this is what my sleepy brain thinks could be a possibility.
EDIT (left out comment):Supports Wilwa (again); supports Hakon more mildly. Why not try to get him lynched? Thinks Morsul is the Agent. It is possible that she is eager to do the latter because he isn't the Agent, but her packmate. Not likely, but something to bear in mind just in case Wilwa's innocent after all. Also throws out the suggestion that both claimants are wolves.

#232
[from long analysis of Lari]
Lari
She gives short explanations for each view, which I appreciate. However, she builds her suspicion of Hakon using an out of context statement by SPM and feeds each one into the other, making a circular argument. Could be an innocent trying to give reason to her gut, or could be a wolf building a weak case to distance herself from her fellow.

(...)

[I]I don't have a problem with her response to Nogrod. In fact this is the primary reason I suspect him.

(...)

Her consideration of voting Hakon looks almost like a wolf trying to salvage a situation gone horribly wrong.

(...)

Post 1- "Seems" that SPM's death confirms Pitch as seer

Seems?

(...)

The most suspicious thing about her is her case against Hakon and SPM, which was weak and based on pure assumption. A poor case is not always a sign of a wolf. I don't see why she suspects Hakon. She basically says that he's suspicious because he's acting like himself, which seems like a very made up reason to me.

Raises some interesting– and pretty damaging– points against Lari.

#234.
Lari was saying SPM needed watching early on. She expressed some doubt about Pitch's reveal. I can't fault her for that, since it caught me by surprise too.
Possibly trying to help Lari. Or just to be fair.

#244


Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife
Post 1- "Seems" that SPM's death confirms Pitch as seer

Seems?

"Seems" because at the time I still had the thought of "maybe Pitch "revealed"(ha now I can spell that) so as to get raid of the high profile wolf". And then Morsul revealed and I began to believe Pitch more because, really, that was an awkward reveal.

Roa is not setting off any alarms with me and neither is Legate. Nog I just have no read on at all, because he is acting like Nog and I tend to not be able to read him at all. Inzil I still have no idea and wish I had more time to look at not just him but also Nog to see if there is anything in their posts.

(...)

Nienna is beginning to set off alarms for me. Taking her defense on Day 1 with her vote post(so she doesn't like Nerwen's closemindness about what was kind of a bad fake reveal...but votes Nog? I honestly can't see the logic in that one, because she says she's not comfortable voting for Nerwen...but she is for Nog?)

Brinn and Kitanna I just want to see slightly more of. They both are coming up way neutral to me and I'm not sure if thats a good thing or not.

Crayon...no idea what to think.

Careful to say nothing concrete, except about the one she's lynching. Feels the need to defend herself against Roa.

...Aaannnnd it's pointing to Wilwa again. I do hope she's guilty, because otherwise it could be pretty hard to get that last wolf.

If not her then... well, Inzi's comment could be interpreted as a subtle defence. Or maybe Morsul is a wolf acting the cobbler, as some have suggested..

That's about all I can come up with. I'll look at Day 3 tomorrow.
EDIT:X'd since my last post.
EDIT2:added comment.

[Nerwen]

I seem to remember Wilwa's game with Little Red Cap. ;)

Ah, how could I forget?

Anyway, I'm looking at Legate and Nerwen's votes for Lari yesterDay. Brinn and Loslote were tied; then Legate gave the first vote for Lari. He'd done some analysis on her, and his vote couldn't really be said to be out of left field. Now, there were still Nog and Nerwen to vote, so there was a very real possibility Lari could have been lynched. Nog then went with Loslote, with Nerwen following up with Lari. Nerwen had said she was thinking of voting Lari, based on Lari's comment about Brinn being a 'fed up innocent'.
Legate, I think, looks pretty good. Nerwen is less certain, though she did point out that possible slip of Lari's.

Can I just point out that at that time my connection suddenly got really slow and it was taking 4-5 minutes for me to post? I never intended to leave the vote so late. And I didn't just vote her for the possible slip, but for the whole post.

Roa, I completely agree with your reasoning on Wilwa. However, I'm checking out Lari's relations with others... just in case. Her being innocent requires the wolves to have screwed up royally, but you never know.

So far it keeps coming up Wilwa anyway.

[Nogrod]

Okay. First things first...

++ Lari

Well done Pitchie!

Just got back from work and will plunge into reading the rest I have yet to read.

[Brinniel]

If we have two revealed rangers, neither is a wolf, and neither is the Agent (Morsul removed that possibility for us), then the wolves have two targets and no reason to leave either alive: If they kill one, then the village would naturally lynch the other, and they could happily kill the seer.
They might choose not to kill them to add to the confusion. If they killed one of the claimed rangers, the village would question why they chose to do so. After all, they'd be exposing the true identity of the ranger. If wilwa as an ordo was killed, we'd definitely not lynch Hakon. And if they killed Hakon, then we'd be hesitant to lynch wilwa because why would a wolf expose herself like that? But if they left them both alive, chances were that we'd lynch one of them and they could take care of the other the following Night.

Btw, if we lynch wilwa toMorrow and she turns out as not a wolf, I say we try lynching Morsul next. I know he looks very much like an agent, but we don't know it for sure. And I'd hate to let a wolf get away just because we made an assumption. Anyway, considering the ratio will be 8-1 toMorrow (correct me if I'm wrong), it's again something we can afford to do. We have plenty of Days left before we're in danger and with number of known innocents we already have I'm quite confident we will win. And if our final wolf somehow does manage to survive all this, then they deserve that win because they'd be awfully slick (as well as lucky with all this distraction brought on from false reveals).

I know a lot of things seem clear cut right now, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are...so let's just not assume anything until it's been proven.

[Roa_Aoife]

They might choose not to kill them to add to the confusion. If they killed one of the claimed rangers, the village would question why they chose to do so. After all, they'd be exposing the true identity of the ranger. If wilwa as an ordo was killed, we'd definitely not lynch Hakon. And if they killed Hakon, then we'd be hesitant to lynch wilwa because why would a wolf expose herself like that? But if they left them both alive, chances were that we'd lynch one of them and they could take care of the other the following Night.


The confusion gained isn't worth the price they are paying as a result. Why should we hesitate to lynch Wilwa if Hakon were proven to be the ranger? Even if we had doubts that a wolf would expose herself like that, it would still be safer to lynch her. There would be absolutely no reason for us to let Wilwa live after that, and the wolves could certainly not count on any doubts by the villagers saving them. And while there were calls to lynch one of them (primarily Hakon, notably by Lari), it was a move that simply couldn't be pulled off, as we refused to touch the matter and made it clear that it was our intention to leave it alone until we could be more certain or had the other wolf.

I do agree that on the very slim chance that Wilwa is not a wolf, Morsul should be lynched next. Especially if Wilwa turns out to be the Agent.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, here at last, I wasn't able to get online during the day due to RL and now at last when I came here, the 'Downs was down, so let's see if I can manage to read what has happened meanwhile, but from what I spotted by the corner of my eye, Lari is the baddie, i.e. Pw revealed her?

So off to read the thread, and I will hopefully post yet before the DL (well, I want to even if I don't manage to read all, unless the 'Downs go down again).

[Nogrod]

The 'Downs were down again at least here. Seems to be working again.

Wilwa: I must add to the choir which says we basically just have to lynch you toMorrow to be on the safe side. I mean that was a nice trick indeed and kudos for it whether you are a wolf or an ordo. And in the latter case we will call you the hero of the game.

But as Nerwen said, it's a different thing whether the fact that you managed to give us two more dreams was something you intended when you started your scheme or not... :) You are the single most suspicious player in the whole village right now, and you must know it.

If wilwa is not a wolf... well then a totally new game will start and it will be a tough one.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

As for her anti-reveal toDay... Well. There was always a slight possibility we'd believe her and lynch Hakon, and I think it would have been wise for a wilwolf to make a Plan B for that case. By now, she'd have had 2 Days to prepare it.
Yep, well, I really think, personally, that the difference between a Wilwolf trying to keep pretending to be a Ranger and a Wilwolf saying that she's an ordo is that with the second one, she could theoretically live forever. Whereas with the first, even if we lynched Hakon, she would be obviously going for the gallows the next Day. It's really like the last desperate attempt to save her skin, she would not have much more to lose.

Now....what kind of stupid wolf would do this???? The Ranger was already revealed, a wolf me would have nothing to gain by bluffing and putting myself out in the open like that. Nothing. And providing the village with two more dreams??? No. A wolf me would never do such a thing, I always stay under the radar when I'm a wolf. I do crazy stuff when I'm an ord (like now) or in a role I've never had before (like my last game as Hunter), but never as a wolf.
That's maybe the only question from my part, but then, perhaps you thought you can pull off something with that. I wonder what. (That makes me think of Brinn's suggestion to lynch Morsul if Wilwa is not a Wolf after all... well, I mean, if Wilwa is for example an Agent. That would be a good explanation for such a behavior. But obviously, if we lynch Wilwa, then we will know, and if she is an Agent, it is clear who would be the next in the line.)

I kept Pitchwife alive. I protected him the second night and I bluffed him into protection the third night and really protected myself. The fourth night I protected him and the wolves failed to kill him. Wolfwa I came up with this plan before you false revealed. You did not keep either Pitchwife or me alive. Tomorrow I vote for Wolfwa.
Eeexactly. Pw revealed already on the first Day, and the Wolves couldn't know if he will be protected or not on the first Night. After that, it was Hakon's bluff which left him alive. Although truly wilwa's revelation played an important part in it too, because it certainly contributed to the fact that Pw (or Hakon) wasn't killed, or at least targeted, sooner.

Wilwa, I am indeed puzzled by why a wolf-you would have acted as you did... but then I'm puzzled by why an innocent you would either.

This–

#168.


does not look much like the work of an ordo intent on saving the Ranger to me.
Yep, that's what I said in the beginning, that we should look if there are any inconsistencies in wilwa's behavior as for what she claims was her aim...

I said that knowing there was no way you guys would kill him that day, cause no one would want to risk killing the real ranger that early. But if I had come on and said "I'm the real Ranger, but please don't hurt the fake one" I doubt anyone would have believed me. I was pretending, but I wouldn't have let him get lynched.
Nah, but I don't think everybody was so focused in his mind so that the possibility that we will not decide to lynch one of you would really be really something to completely rule out. The possibility was there. It would have been a very, very, very, very bold move to do what you did: putting yourself and the Ranger at risk.

It seems to me that they realized the charade couldn't go on, and decided to kill the seer before he could bring any more known innocents to light, or worse (for them) find a wolf. Wilwa was a gonner anyways, but had Lari not been found out, she may have been able to stave off the suspicion of her for some time- at least until the knowns were out of the way.
Yep, that's more or less what I think too.

Btw, if we lynch wilwa toMorrow and she turns out as not a wolf, I say we try lynching Morsul next. I know he looks very much like an agent, but we don't know it for sure. And I'd hate to let a wolf get away just because we made an assumption. Anyway, considering the ratio will be 8-1 toMorrow (correct me if I'm wrong), it's again something we can afford to do. We have plenty of Days left before we're in danger and with number of known innocents we already have I'm quite confident we will win. And if our final wolf somehow does manage to survive all this, then they deserve that win because they'd be awfully slick (as well as lucky with all this distraction brought on from false reveals).
Yep, like I already mentioned above, I like that suggestion. But let's see - I more or less think we are clear by now.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Yep, and with a good memory,

++Lari

Which, by the way, means that I was right in voting her yesterDay after all! *tears of happiness*

[Roa_Aoife]

If wilwa is not a wolf... well then a totally new game will start and it will be a tough one.

If Wilwa isn't a wolf, and Pitch is killed toNight (because he must be), and Hakon the next night (as is logical), that would leave us with 2 knowns (you and Crayon) and 5 unknowns. At that point I think it would be logical to lynch Morsul, since he could very well be a wolf pretending to be an Agent.

If he isn't a wolf, you will likely be the next kill (as the hunter would make them nervous), leaving one known person, and 4 unknowns. To those of us who are innocent, that leaves three potential candidates. And unless we really screw it up (which is possible) the last wolf will quickly be found out.

Given the ratios, I think it won't be all that tough.

This is assuming that Wilwa isn't a wolf, which is highly unlikely.

Edit: crossed since the above post

[Roa_Aoife]

And if the last wolf isn't Wilwa or Morsul and manages to survive to the end, then they deserve to win.

[Nogrod]

I do agree with your scenario Roa... that's probably the way it will go if wilwa is not a wolf... unless the last wolf wishes to do something confusing again... :)

leaving one known person, and 4 unknowns. To those of us who are innocent, that leaves three potential candidates. And unless we really screw it up (which is possible) the last wolf will quickly be found out.

Given the ratios, I think it won't be all that tough.It would not be easy either... but the numbers would sure be on our side. It's just that the numbers do not win wars alone.

I'm optimistic though.

To toMorrow then!

(It's actually nice that this Day when I had so little time to play turned out eventful but still easy-going.)

[Nogrod]

And if the last wolf isn't Wilwa or Morsul and manages to survive to the end, then they deserve to win.Exactly.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

(It's actually nice that this Day when I had so little time to play turned out eventful but still easy-going.)

Quite so from my part, too ;)

[McCaber]

A new day had begun and ended, and the villagers felt it was time to deliver some Innsmouth justice. Nerwen and Inziladun had follow the blood trails from the fight last night, but only one of those had led anywhere. Pitchwife traced the wolfpack using arcane methods and hidden rites, and he quickly had an answer.

When the two angry mobs met in the street outside Lairen Shadow's house, they were prepared. Torches, wooden stakes, religious symbols, silvered weapons, wolfsbane, shotguns, machetes, garlic, molotovs, and the like. Why take any chances with this?

Two swift kicks and the door was down. Craydon and Hakon were the first ones into the house. They found Lairen sitting on her bed nursing a grievous wound on her shoulder. From the elbow down her arm was still a massive furry paw.

"Alright, let's do this," she wearily said. She tried to shift into her werewolf form, but she only got halfway before she collapsed on the floor. Two Molotov cocktails sailed through the windows and shattered. The villagers quickly made an exit, and they tried to bar the door.

They tried, but they were no match for a werewolf on fire. Lairen exploded out of the wooden doors and took the fight to the mobs. Even with one useless hand she was an impressive force. No villagers died in the fight, but that was more a testament to Innsmouth resilience than to the wolf's lack of strength. She clawed her way straight to Pitchwife, who could only stare at her advance. She made it to his feet before all the punishment she took finally ended her.

And the village began to celebrate.

The Dead:
McCaber, town drunk and general layabout [mod]
Saucepan Man, disturbed and disturbing artist [werewolf]
A Little Green, blind ex-soldier [ordinary villager]
Nienna, innocent child and meteorologist [ordinary villager]
Kitanna, Innsmouth denizen [ordinary villager]
Loslote, humble seamstress [ordinary villager]
Lairen Shadow, Innsmouth denizen [werewolf]

The Living:
Inziladun, fisherman
Pitchwife, heretical organist
Hakon, Innsmouth denizen
wilwa, Innsmouth denizen
Nogrod, student of alternate cosmologies
Roa, Innsmouth physician (with everything that entails)
Craydon1, penniless drifter
Nerwen, last scion of a decadent dynasty
Legate, displaced scholar of the Pnakotic Shards
Morsul, quiet librarian
Brinn, Innsmouth denizen

[McCaber]

After the rush of the werewolf battle, Pitchwife spent one last night preparing. The dreams were his, after all, and it was clear what would happen tonight. He used the first of the hours to fill the church with music it had never heard and never will again.

Once he was in the right frame of mind, he finished his tasks.

The whole town was silent by the time the church door opened. Pitchwife rose from the pew he was praying in and turned to face his assailant. "So, it's finally time then. Come in, my friend, " he said calmly.

The werewolf slowly moved into the sanctuary. He stood a moment in shock. This was not the church he remembered. Someone had carved strange signs and painted sigils onto the walls and floor.

Pitchwife continued speaking. "I see you enjoy my work. It's not as good as what your brother the Saucepan Man would have done, but it should suffice. Come closer, into the light. I promise I won't harm you."

"You presume I need such a promise?" the wolf snarled at him. "There's not a thing you can do to hurt me." And he increased his speed.

When he entered the circle of torches, he was stopped dead in his tracks. Pitchwife stepped into the center of an eldritch symbol (almost like three question marks smashed together) and began chanting in forgotten tongues. The creature got angrier and angrier, but could neither move his paw nor drown out the man's words.

The chant reached a fever pitch. Despite his burning rage, the wolf was still anchored to the ground. His hair stood on end and his vision began to blur yellow. Pitchwife had stretched forth his arms and lifted a few inches off the ground. And he made a final cry of "Iä Carcosa quid fecit Rex Fulvata HASTUR!"

The room was flooded with golden light. When the wolf opened his eyes, Pitchwife was gone and the church was undefiled. He gave a snort and left the building.

The Dead:
McCaber, town drunk and general layabout [mod]
Saucepan Man, disturbed and disturbing artist [werewolf]
A Little Green, blind ex-soldier [ordinary villager]
Nienna, innocent child and meteorologist [ordinary villager]
Kitanna, Innsmouth denizen [ordinary villager]
Loslote, humble seamstress [ordinary villager]
Lairen Shadow, Innsmouth denizen [werewolf]
Pitchwife, heretical organist [Dreamer]

The Living:
Inziladun, fisherman
Hakon, Innsmouth denizen
wilwa, Innsmouth denizen
Nogrod, student of alternate cosmologies
Roa, Innsmouth physician (with everything that entails)
Craydon1, penniless drifter
Nerwen, last scion of a decadent dynasty
Legate, displaced scholar of the Pnakotic Shards
Morsul, quiet librarian
Brinn, Innsmouth denizen

DAY 5 IS BEFORE YOU. THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS.

[Morsul the Dark]

although I've been told not to read into the text, I can't help but notice Mc kept referring to the wolf as He:

Inziladun: He
Hakon:He
wilwa, She
Nogrod, He
Roa, She
Craydon1 He I think
Nerwen, She
Legate, He
Morsul, He
Brinn, She

[Nerwen]

Farewell, Dreamer! In the name of great Cthulhu and the Deep Ones of many-columned Y’ha-nthlei, we will not fail you! Iä! Iä!

...So I have, as I said I would, checked out Lari's Day 3 interactions. However, I've also found what I think is a conclusive proof that Wilwa is straight out lying about her motivations in impersonating the Ranger. (Coming soon.)

I'm posting the other stuff anyway because she might still be the Agent rather than a wolf. I don't think so, but its best to be prepared.

#279
Well, my results of looking at Kit's posts suggest that her main suspect was Wilwa. That's who she voted for on Day 1 (she doesn't seem to have voted on Day 2). She didn't like Wilwa's Day 1 vote aginst Hakon.
She did an analysis of Lari and me, thinking Lari looked slightly 'dodgier'.
He's just saying Lari (in Kit's view) was more suspicious than him... so nothing either way.

#292
[from long analysis of Kit]
She didn't vote. Based on her posts, I think she probably would have voted for Lari or Inzil, but we really have no way of knowing. And I think the wolves were counting on that.

#301
Both Lari and Inzil I analyzed yesterday. Inzil was more suspicious than Lari to me. I find subtle hinting more suspicious than blatant cases, and Inzil was doing that towards Nogrod. Of course, we had two innocents up for the lynch yesterDay, so a wolf could have gone with either one.
Fairly non-commital, slightly favouring Lari.


#307
This far, she [Lari] could be 50-50 either for me. Though that suspicion of SpM on Day 1 would be somewhat too complicated to think of if it was orchestrated, but then, I really don't know that much about Lari to conclude how complicated schemes she could make (if it wasn't given as an idea to her by SpM himself anyway). Well, though I really don't know. Don't see her in particular as good as to vote for, but certainly watching her for now.
Non-committal.

#324
The remaining Wolf then could be people like Brinn, Nerwen, even maybe Lari...
From here on, becomes increasingly suspicious of Lari.

#336
What if our thinking that Morsul is the Agent is wrong? What if he is a newbie wolf, told by his packmate to reveal falsely? Or could Hakon's not death point to that he is a wolf and possibly that Morsul is also a wolf and they planned a whole double reveal planning on not killing Pitch because the logical thing for the real Priest to do would be to protect the Dreamer?

We talked about the Morsul as Agent-impersonating wolf yesterDay. But as you see, it was pushed by none other than Wolfiren Shadow herself!

She is now going strongly after Hakon, in direct contrast to her attitude the Day before, when she was for leaving the Ranger-claimants alone. Why? I think there must have been a lot of discussion that Night, and the wolves decided that their only hope was to get Hakon out of the way, whatever the cost.

Given that scenario, #336 looks bad for Wilwa– it could mean her packmate is preparing to deal with her inevitable exposure as a false Ranger by suggesting that she, not Morsul, is the Agent.

#339
Hakon, you do realize your first sentence and last sentence are contradictory, right?

#341
I didn't even see that. Good catch, Lari.

#374
Okay, basically, of all the people, whom I could vote for toDay, after eliminating those I have eliminated in my earlier posts toDay, it's either Lari or Nerwen for me to vote toDay.

#366
I have been actually wondering, today, if it would be so improbable for those two [Lari and SPM] to really orchestrate this suspicion-exchange... well, but then again, imagining the way it was written... Hm, I will probably read the particular posts again once more, but I don't know.

#387 [The post in which she voted for Hakon]
I don't have much time because I have to run off to teach religious school but why would Crayon reveal? (...)

So Legate's suspicion of me comes from my commenting on SPM's post on Day 1? With a whole long list that kind of indicates a huge plan between us? I don't like this(and not just because its me). It seems like this is grasping at straws. I was just looking for something suspicious on Day 1, see if the wolves slipped, and well I guess SPM did. I think a Legate analysis is in order for toMorrow.

Brinn's response to Lottie(is that ok for a nickname?) seems rather innocent to me. She just got feed up with the bad claims and wanted to make it right. I don't see that as really guilty, especially with the tone she uses.

Roa's attack of Nerwen doesn't look that odd to me, but Nerwen's defense is rather more defensive at times. I can't tell if this is just a fed up innocent, like Brinn, or a worried wolf.
Casts doubt on Crayon; mildly supports Roa while "suspecting" me; supports Brinn (while making what I think could be a slip in Brinn's favour); strongly "suspects" Legate, and indeed makes a mini-case against him.

#388
Why are you voting for Hakon, Lari???
I am giving the reactions of the known innocent here as a reality check, in case anyone wants to argue that the votes for Lari came out of nowhere.

#390
I sort of don't like her approach to the disputes of Brinn or Roa etc., as it looks somehow too "balanced", like, this reserved attitude a Wolf could have to strike to one of the parties, if need be.
Also, her vote for Hakon is undeniably "safe". Let us remember that we have seemingly a last Wolf somewhere in the field and the RangerWolf. It is far too easy to cast a vote for one of the Rangers and not worry about anything else. (That's also what Hakon did.) Though then again, would a Wolf do such a thing? Isn't it too much obviously sticking out of the crowd by giving an obvious throwaway vote?

Not much time. I guess I cannot reread like I wanted. I may vote Lari.

#391
So, how do you [I]know Brinn is innocent, hmmn?

#399
There's the Lari - wilwa connection I spotted on Day1 and have not totally forgotten. Also Lari's vote toDay was odd indeed (whatever that might then mean).

#400
Interesting note, of course could be just bad wording, but could be a nice slip. Could as well give it a try to lynch Lari, really, also with this.

#401
Well, I'm going to vote either Lari or Loslote. Just stating my intentions so there'll be no argument from Roa tomorrow.

Loslote for reasons given already, Lari mainly for her last post.

#404
What say you: Lari or Loslote?

Conclusions:

Though Cthulhu knows Legate is sneaky enough for anything, I must say his suspicion of Lari and hers of him look serious, rather than a manufactured wolf-on-wolf act.

Lari has "liked" Roa throughout the game. On Day 3 Roa's attitude ranges from non-commital to mildly positive (really only at #341 where she congratulates Lari on pickng up Hakon's "slip"), but Day 2 she made significant points against her. On the whole, I doubt she is Lari's packmate either.

Lari has only nice things to say about Brinn (#387). A wolf trying to save her comrade? Probably not– at that point no-one was even talking about lynching Brinn, so I see it as more of a feel-good statement. The important thing, though, is whether that "slip" can be taken as proof of Brinn's innocence or not.

Inzil No real connection; mildly supported Lari in one comment on Day 2.

Morsul Now that we know Lari wanted us to think he was a cobbler-impersonator, it becomes unlikely that he is, barring the possibility of a double-bluff. Still, I think if by any chance Wilwa does turn out a non-wolf, he'll have to be next up for lynching.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right!

So, what toDay - is it wilwa for us now? Are we agreed on that?

I don't know if we can agree on much more for the future. I would like this day to be more than just several times "++wilwa" on the thread and then nothing else. Though maybe if we all vote and she is lynched and is a Wolf, then McCaber could end the game earlier..? Well, anyway. We might of course plan something for the unlikely case that she is not. Like, who would be "next in line" after her - and after Morsul, if he would be next, like it was offered yesterDay several times.

Though of course one feels lazy. I will crawl back to my studies of Pnakotic manuscripts for a while if nobody is around.

EDIT: ha! x-ed with Nerwen! Brilliant, so at least someone. Huh, quite productive it seems.

[Nerwen]

And now, Innsmouth Nightly News brings you the scoop on Wilwa!


In her confession yesterDay she said:

Now I now Wolf is the first thing to pop into your heads, but I swear I'm not. I started to freak out when two of our gifteds came out and really didn't want to lose the Seer again so soon (since it's happened so much recently), so I decided to pretend to be the Ranger in order to keep the Seer around longer (and it worked, since he's still here).

Here she says she acted on impulse, "freaked out" after the reveals.

But on Day Two, when she made her false reveal, she said:

I`ve been using the ring as my symbol on all my posts, to represent the rings that Priests wear when they make their vows.

And indeed, every post of hers from the very beginning of Day One had a ring symbol.

Ergo, she was planning to make a false reveal all the time– long before Hakon or even Pitch came out. (I suspect the timing of it was a matter of impulse, however, but that's not the same thing.)

[Morsul the Dark]

Or Maybe she's the real priest and Hakon is just better at playing the part? Wilwa could be hiding in plain sight from the wolves with doubt surrounding them Wilwa denying priesthood helps her survive while a hakonwolf could in essence continue playing the part of pries in which case the real priest wouldn't be able to reveal without immediate lynching maybe two false priests possible?

[Roa_Aoife]

I'm only here for a short time before I head off to work. First things first:

++Wilwa

Also, I think Wilwa should vote for herself so we can have a unanimous lynch.:D

Next: Using the masculine pronoun to describe an unknown person is proper grammar in the English language.

Finally, Nerwen, if you are going to be doing this for a while, I feel that I should point out that if neither Wilwa nor Morsul is a wolf, it comes down to you, Legate, Inzil, and me. (Anyone else alive at that point is a known.) So at least the analysis is narrowed down.

[Nerwen]

although I've been told not to read into the text, I can't help but notice Mc kept referring to the wolf as He:


Well, I'll tell you again. Don't read into the text, Morsul. Besides, the secondary meaning of "he" is "a person etc, of unspecified sex" (OED).

Nice try, though.

All right!

So, what toDay - is it wilwa for us now? Are we agreed on that?

Yes. At worst we lynch an innocent who deliberately put herself on the line... and I really don't think she's that (see my last post).

EDIT:X'd since my last post.

[wilwarin538]

And indeed, every post of hers from the very beginning of Day One had a ring symbol.

Snap.

Hmm......yep.....don't have anything to say to that.


Wilwa fail.

++Wilwa

(doomed anyway right, I've always wanted to vote for myself anyway :p)

[Roa_Aoife]

Or Maybe she's the real priest and Hakon is just better at playing the part? Wilwa could be hiding in plain sight from the wolves with doubt surrounding them Wilwa denying priesthood helps her survive while a hakonwolf could in essence continue playing the part of pries in which case the real priest wouldn't be able to reveal without immediate lynching maybe two false priests possible?

First, that is a really long sentence. Second, no.

Edit: Crossed with Wilwa. Yay! Unanimous Lynch! And that settles that. So, can we all lynch her and end the game quickly?

[wilwarin538]

aha, Roa, there ya go!

edit: aha, no, I think you should all be forced to wait it out til the end....

[Morsul the Dark]

Also, I think Wilwa should vote for herself so we can have a unanimous lynch.:D


without analysis of anyone else? waste a day or two(if you include my inevitable lynching) nets you what? 4 more kills? wilwa, night kill, me, night kill....

Sounds suspicious to me.... Quick vote and don't think!!

Then again Wilwa and I are just Roa's scapegoats so what can we expect.

Though I'd gladly die to keep her alive one more day

Lari has "liked" Roa throughout the game. On Day 3 Roa's attitude ranges from non-commital to mildly positive (really only at #341 where she congratulates Lari on pickng up Hakon's "slip"), but Day 2 she made significant points against her. On the whole, I doubt she is Lari's packmate either.

and this nugget:

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife
And if the last wolf isn't Wilwa or Morsul and manages to survive to the end, then they deserve to win.

[Roa_Aoife]

I've been gone for a while, but I believe this is the first unanimous lynch in WW history.

[Nerwen]

Or Maybe she's the real priest and Hakon is just better at playing the part? Wilwa could be hiding in plain sight from the wolves with doubt surrounding them Wilwa denying priesthood helps her survive while a hakonwolf could in essence continue playing the part of pries in which case the real priest wouldn't be able to reveal without immediate lynching maybe two false priests possible?

...whut?:confused:

EDIT:X'd since Wilwa.

[Roa_Aoife]

Come on, Morsul, make WW history with us. You know you want to.

[Morsul the Dark]

Nerwen, Isn't my role to cause confusion... by the way although the thought made sense to me when I reread that post I don't get it... and I know what I meant:eek:

[Morsul the Dark]

Come on, Morsul, make WW history with us. You know you want to.

Translation: bandwagon with us Bandwagon before anyone realizes what I'm doing!

[Nerwen]

Nerwen, Isn't my role to cause confusion... by the way although the thought made sense to me when I reread that post I don't get it... and I know what I meant:eek:

Clearly you're a little too good at your role.

Anyway–

++Wilwa.

[Roa_Aoife]

It will be the first time ever, but only if you vote with us. Make history in your first game ever.

[Nerwen]

Yes, come on, Morsul. It's not like you can save her, anyway.

[Morsul the Dark]

I said it before, You can ignore my good advice and it'll be just as dangerous as me giving you bad advice, look at Roa's record you'll see I'm right. I voted for McCain(Apples and oranges) I know for a fact voting for someone based purely for "Historic" reasons turns out bad for the voters.

So, ignore me today learn you're wrong tomorrow have fun.
++Wilwa

I still say it's a wasted vote

[Nerwen]

Aww, Morsul, you're no fun anymore...:(

[Morsul the Dark]

You don't think analysis should be done today? Just waste the day saying wilwa wilwa wilwa?

not helpful

I'm still fun I'm just a Meanie:D

[wilwarin538]

But Wilwa is such a fun name to say, so of course they all want to say it!!!

wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa

wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa

And besides Morsul, we're totally doomed anyway, might as well have fun with them! ;)


I'm strongly looking forward to after game discussions.....

[Morsul the Dark]

there are post game discussion oooooo that sounds like fun!

wilwa... Willlwaaaa... W-wa

You're right that IS fun to say!

[wilwarin538]

willy wally waa waa.....will waw riny rin rin......wilwarin nirawliw


Oh yes indeed there are! It's where all my illogical thinking will be explained!!!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Wilwa wilwa wiil waa wa awil wa will a wa wairwaoth waquiw' wo' wa AZATOHOTH!!!! C'NGAI!!! NYATH!!!! YADDITH!!!

Y'AI'NG'NGAH
YOG-SOTHOTH...

++wilwa

[wilwarin538]

Legate......that was epic......because of that post I am totally ok with getting lynched. :D;)

[Hakon]

++Wolfwa/Wilwa

[Morsul the Dark]

++Wolfwa/Wilwa

Notice how Hakon just goes along with it good little wolf has no problem sacrificing an innocent

Hakon and ROa should be at the top of everyone's list

Then again Nerwen tried to be logical before just bandwagoning(Really? bandwagoning is a spell check recognized word?)
So,

Roa
Nerwen
and Hakon

Are my top suspects

Who are yours? Me the humble agent who could tell you who the wolves were and you wouldn't believe me? Fair Enough

[Nogrod]

++ wilwa

Nice catch Nerwen!

I think we would have done this anyway as there were reasons enough for it (including the Lari protecting wilwa in a different way than others on Day1 - yay! *bragging rights!!!* :D), but it was great you nailed it up to a confession-level... *kudos*

Then waiting for the Night I suppose... or for the miracle... ;)

Or the last twist of the game that turns the tables upsidedown in some way or another...

[Nogrod]

Oh Morsul, it must have been a dissapointing experience as your first game when no one has actually listened to you after Day2...

But it's your role.

It will be different next time.

[wilwarin538]

but it was great you nailed it up to a confession-level...

But really, did I actually confess?? No, I did not. I just gave in to my unavoidable fate. There was no way I was talking myself out of this one. Though the reason for the Ring icon is not what Nerwen thinks, it working for the priest thing was purely coincidental. *cackles* It shall be explained in post game discussions, not that it's really all that exciting. :rolleyes:

But it ain't over yet my dearies. :smokin:


wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa

[Inziladun]

Various other duties I have been unable to neglect (an insanely busy RL day) have conspired to occupy my attention toDay thus far.
I'll go ahead and get this out of the way though.

++ Wilwa

[wilwarin538]

Yay Inzil!!!! :D


I am so dead!!! Whoopie!


Ahhh....this is gonna be fun....

wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa

[Nogrod]

I am so dead!!! Whoopie!


Ahhh....this is gonna be fun....
So you confess being the agent then? :eek:

Nice way out.
:cool:

[wilwarin538]

Well....I am dead anyway, so you'll all be finding out soon enough, might as well be myself for a little while! ;)


wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa


Wow....this is probably the hardest role I've ever had....and probably the worst job I've ever done in a role :p

But atleast I caused havoc! mwahahaha


agent wilwa agent wilwa agent wilwa agent wilwa agent wilwa agent wilwa

[Inziladun]

Well....I am dead anyway, so you'll all be finding out soon enough, might as well be myself for a little while! ;)


wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa wilwa


Wow....this is probably the hardest role I've ever had....and probably the worst job I've ever done in a role :p

But atleast I caused havoc! mwahahaha


agent wilwa agent wilwa agent wilwa agent wilwa agent wilwa agent wilwa

Well, even if it turns out lynching you doesn't end things, I believe we have an idea where to turn next. Morsul, anyone?

[Roa_Aoife]

Naturally, Inzil.

It's getting silly in here. Not at all in the style of Innsmouth. :p

[Craydon1]

I'd hate to not make history.

++Wilwa

[Brinniel]

Yeesh people, if Nienna hadn't informed me toDay's been cut in half, I might've missed the entire Day. :rolleyes:

Finally, Nerwen, if you are going to be doing this for a while, I feel that I should point out that if neither Wilwa nor Morsul is a wolf, it comes down to you, Legate, Inzil, and me. (Anyone else alive at that point is a known.)
Did somebody forget me? Nah, I won't believe that. Glad to know you regard me as a known innocent then. :p

Since the Day is ending early, does that mean wilwa's definitely a wolf? But she could still easily be the agent; I'm still trying to figure out her motive to fake reveal. But if that's so, Morsul's definitely evil, and it'll just add an extra Day if anything. Hmm...too bad we can't double lynch in this game.

++wilwa

[Inziladun]

Did somebody forget me? Nah, I won't believe that. Glad to know you regard me as a known innocent then. :p

Since the Day is ending early, does that mean wilwa's definitely a wolf? But she could still easily be the agent; I'm still trying to figure out her motive to fake reveal. But if that's so, Morsul's definitely evil, and it'll just add an extra Day if anything. Hmm...too bad we can't double lynch in this game.

I think you were left out because of this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=613873&postcount=481).

If it isn't Wilwa or Morsul, it's Plan B in effect: analysis for all (except Nog, of course).

[Roa_Aoife]

If it isn't Wilwa or Morsul, it's Plan B in effect: analysis for all (except Nog, of course).

And Craydon and Hakon.

[Nerwen]

Since the Day is ending early, does that mean wilwa's definitely a wolf? But she could still easily be the agent; I'm still trying to figure out her motive to fake reveal.

She's now in fact claiming to be the Agent. She could well be just stringing us along, though, for the heck of it.

[Inziladun]

And Craydon and Hakon.

Ah, yes. Hopefully it won't come to that.

[Nerwen]

Ah, yes. Hopefully it won't come to that.
Well, only if Wilwa and Morsul are the Agent plus some kind of "Village Idiot" role.

*shrugs* We'll soon find out.

[McCaber]

So wilwa is lynched. She was indeed the agent.

Day phase starts in approximately 10 hours.

[McCaber]

The village wakes to find Craydon and Inziladun dead. I had a bad night, so nothing really got done but homework. Sorry.

Craydon was the Changed, Inzil was an Ordinary Villager.

DAY 6. GO.

[Roa_Aoife]

Huh... I don't think Craydon had a chance to change his choice.

Oh well.

++Morsul

[Nerwen]

Huh... I don't think Craydon had a chance to change his choice.

Oh well.

He was around to vote, though– he must have forgotten.:(

I guess that pretty much proves the wolf is

++Morsul.

[Nerwen]

I mean, it's a sort of paradox– only a lone newbie wolf would kill a Hunter who was "certainly" hunting him... except that he wasn't.

[Morsul the Dark]

:(.... darn... I wanted an epic battle with Crayon... that's why I chose the hunter...
(Although can't blame McCab Homework is more important than WW)

++MORSUL
Last Ditch Effort Everyone vote Roa now!:p

[Roa_Aoife]

Just curious- why me?

[Morsul the Dark]

you're the only I can make even a remote tiny sorta not really case about lol

Lari liked you, you told everyone to ignore me, umm... you said the wolves deserve to win... Tada a sort of not really case

EDIT: more of a PS don't worry I voted for myself as you saw so not like it's gonna happen:D

[Nerwen]

:(.... darn... I wanted an epic battle with Crayon... that's why I chose the hunter...
(Although can't blame McCab Homework is more important than WW)

++MORSUL
Last Ditch Effort Everyone vote Roa now!:p

Oh, you were actually trying to commit suicide, eh? I recall Lhunawolf did that in similar circumstances...

But you know what? A second unanimous lynch will be even better.

It's possible that, at some stage in the hoary past, there has been a unanimous lynch before. But two in a row? That's definitely never happened!:D

[Nogrod]

It's possible that, at some stage in the hoary past, there has been a unanimous lynch before. But two in a row? That's definitely never happened!:DRight so. Let's make history then!

++ Morsul

Kind of an anticlimax it is if it ends this way as it should based on any reasonable explanations... I mean yesterDay still had the small surprise to offer even if it was anticipated as a possibility, but right now it looks like Morsul has kind of confessed...

[Morsul the Dark]

Nog could you conceive of a way for me to talk out of this?

[Nogrod]

Nog could you conceive of a way for me to talk out of this?It looks a bit challenging indeed as how things are.

Well, a secret role maybe? That might be something no one could be sure about.

Maybe you could say you're an ordo who wished to reveal the real agent by acting like one? I mean a cobbler (agent) needs to make the wolves know who s/he is in a way or another as not to kill her/him to be able to help them. So you were just this decent guy who tried to help the village to flush out the real agent?

A tough call... ;)

[Morsul the Dark]

Yeah that would've worked:rolleyes:

[Hakon]

++Morsul

Maybe my crazy post was right about something after all.

I sadly have to inform all of you that the last two nights I failed to pick someone to protect. I have been very busy and I apologize for that.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, whatever. I guess poor Morsul could not have done much. What, poor? Disgusting! Despiceable Wolf! To the stake with him! No, wait, to the gallows with him! No, wait, to the sea with him! No, wait, we are not going to desecrate the sea with his dirty bones. Shoggoth on him! (Ah, I always knew we should have had a few of them locked up in the cellar if need arose, now one would come handy... huh... *chuckles*... "come"... "handy"!!! Ha, ha... I think neither would really do...)

++Morsul

[Brinniel]

Heh, told you we can't assume anything. I was beginning to suspect more and more toward the end of yesterDay that wilwa might actually be the agent. Because I still couldn't figure out why a wolf would counter-reveal and put themselves out there so early, especially after the loss of a mate on Day One. But an agent has the perfect motives for doing so.

I think it's pretty obvious now. I really can't see how we could be wrong this time since there's absolutely no way Morsul is innocent. And considering we only have one wolf left...

++Morsul


Btw, does the Day end early again?

[Roa_Aoife]

Um... should we assume the game is over now? Morsul's lynched, he's admitted to being a wolf. Unless there are four wolves we're done, right? Village victory?


What were you wolves thinking?

[Morsul the Dark]

I claim newbie mistakes for the record though I told Lar to call Hakon's bluff and take out Pitch. Also Roa you picked up on my one mistake there was no coming back from that

[Roa_Aoife]

It was a good idea to pose as the agent though. Kept you alive much longer.

[Morsul the Dark]

actually though You were the agent the way you wanted people to ignore me :)

[A Little Green]

Congrats village! And brave try my furry friends. I haven't been following the game a whole lot, but from what I've heard from Legate and Nog it's been a totally crazy game. Wish I had survived longer, though - but then, I guess this game might just have given me the headache of the year... :D

[wilwarin538]

can I post now then.....if it's over???

That's why I seriously regretted pretending to be the Ranger, cause it put me at risk, if I had stayed quiet I could have lasted longer and really for aslong as I was alive you guys would probably have left Morsul alone. Oopsie.

No, I don't really have a valid reason for doing it. Just seemed like a normal cobblering thing to do at the time. Never had this role before so I had no idea what I was doing.

The Ring makes people invisible, a secret Agent would act invisible, hence the ring icon. The priest thing was just a coincidence.

Ahh, this was fun. Total Agent Wilwa fail, but I still had fun. :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Nah, but never mind, wilwa, at least it was fun. I mean, really, that was after a long time when I have really really enjoyed a WW game with A. staying alive long (wait... until the end! :eek: Unseen for a long time... celebrate!!!), B. not being frustrated or stressed by lynching fellow innocent for totally stupid reason (and be subsequently lynched for that, as all too often), C. managing to have a good read on the WWs (I am actually still proud of myself for being right about Lari), and all in all just having fun...

And Morsul, it was maybe a slight head-on jump into the game from your part, but nevertheless, I think you have good potential to fitting among the reguler WW crew :) Apart from that, you have already made yourself a mark of importance here, I think however crazy your Seer posing was, at least it was something happening, and it's in a way a nice change... sometimes we lack bold Wolves...

Ah, anyway, it was a beautiful game to play! Really relaxing and all. More games could be as splendid as this one was! And that's not to say that I liked McCab's narrations, some of them quite a lot (just hope he is going to fulfil his duties and write some proper ones in the missing places ;) ).

[The Saucepan Man]

I have stayed quiet 'til now, as I adhere to the seemingly rather old-fashioned view that dead men (and wolves) tell no tales, but ... ahem ... so much for my so-called 'awesomeness', eh? :D

Well, not the finest hour for the Wolf team, it has to be said. I was actually rather relieved to be sent for an early shower. I had forgotten how time intensive WW games can be, particularly as a Wolf, and was concerned that I might not have enough time to contribute as much as I would have liked. It was time constraints which led me to my admittedly over-hyped case against Loslote. I only had the remaining 30 minutes of my lunch hour to catch up on all the posts and make my last contribution of the Day and was desparately trying to transition from a 'no suspects' status to having a reasonably justified vote. I still maintain that there was the basis for a reasonable Day 1 case against Loslote, but I guess I just bashed it out too quickly and went a bit over the top.

Sorry, Lari and Morsul, for the early exit. :( Ultimately, we were rather unlucky. After I was lynched, I still thought that we were in with a decent chance, as there was scope to limit Pitchwife to one more dream at the most and I thought that at least one of you was in with a reasonable chance of escaping serious suspicion for some time. However, the events of Day 2 rather stymied that and we were always on the back foot (paw) from that Day on. Morsul's reveal was, for me, a classic *facepalm* moment. Did you guys plan that? I knew that Morsul could survive for a while under the guide of the Agent, especially after wilwa's antics, but it was only a matter of time before he was found out.

For me, the stars of this game were the Gifteds. Inspired dreaming from Pitchwife (I now think of him as 'Pitchfork', after his key role in getting me lynched). And Pitchie, you were absolutely right to reveal. I spotted you as the Dreamer the moment that you made your 'get serious' post and voted for me. Wonderful bluffing from Hakon too and, as matters turned out, your decision to reveal was a really good one too. So well done, Gifteds. Great play!

Many thanks too to McCaber (or is it MacCabre from now on?). A wonderful theme and some nicely done narrations. Its a long while since I read any Lovecraft (although I have a few HPL themed board games) and this has whetted my appetite again.

Oh and, finally, I guess that I can at last join the noble order of the Fenris. Can someone please now explain to me what it all means ... ? :D

[The Saucepan Man]

By the way, this must be ... what ... my fourth or fifth time as Wolf. What with three times as Cobbler (four, if you count the phantom's Cobbler-heavy game) and only once as a Gifted (never the Seer or Ranger), I seem to be fated to play the baddie. :rolleyes::D

[McCaber]

Yes, the game is over. Village wins, and I will type up all the missing narrations the first instant I have time.

[Hakon]

This was the most fun game I have played so far. It was also my second time living through the whole game. Thank you SPM for the comment on my bluffing. Morsul you did a great job and now I am always going to keep an eye on you like I do with Inziladun. Pitchwife I think I have found a way to figure out if you are the seer after watching this game and the other game where you were the seer. I will not say what this way is. Wilwa you did a great job as the agent.

This is my favorite game of werewolf that I have played so far. You all did a great job.

[Nienna]

Hey all! Good job village! Way to lynch me :p. I'm just glad I survived Day One (which I'm not sure would have happened if we didn't have a known wolf... but whatever) I'm always fated to be lynched very early as an ordo it would seem.

You all played very well and as soon as I found out I was lyched I called Lari and asked her what her role was. We were a bit worried Morsul was going to be mod-fired for not voting but then he managed to survive another whole Day. I must say I kind of wanted to see Morsul try to talk himself out of the lynch on the last day but that was more for my own entertainment than anything else.

Well played all! All those gifted reveals were something.

[Inziladun]

This marks the second game in a row I've been taken out by a suspicious hunter (as an innocent, both times). It beats getting lynched on Day 2 though, which seems to be my usual fate lately. :rolleyes:
I thought it was a really good game. The reveals and counter-reveals kept things quite interesting. And nice job by the Gifteds! It seems clear their efforts are what did it for us.

[Nerwen]

And nice job by the Gifteds! It seems clear their efforts are what did it for us.

Indeed, that was a most impressive performance by Pitchwife and Hakon!

–Hakon, I can't rep you again yet, but you deserve it for your bold double-bluffing– must have taken some nerve.:cool:

[Loslote]

Great game, all! I wish the deadline was a bit better so I could have been a bit more active, but I'm glad I played anyway. Except for a *slight* SPAM suspicion on Day 1, I never suspected a wolf at all, and totally suspected Hakon *and* Pitchie. :rolleyes:

[Hakon]

Indeed, that was a most impressive performance by Pitchwife and Hakon!

–Hakon, I can't rep you again yet, but you deserve it for your bold double-bluffing– must have taken some nerve.:cool:

It wasn't so much nerve as it was the bad deadline. I was almost hoping to get killed but now that the game has ended I am happy that I lived through the game.

[The Saucepan Man]

It was a good idea to pose as the agent though. Kept you alive much longer.Yes, but only as long as the real Agent stayed alive.

And, to be honest, I am not sure that I get the logic behind leaving a known Cobbler alive. He may count as a villager for the purposes of victory, but he also has a vote and, in the confusion of a Day end, may sometimes have a chance to make it count. My inclination would always be to lynch a known Cobbler in preference to an unknown.

[Morsul the Dark]

well if Roa hadn't cught on to my slip I could have bluffed a bit further through the seer role Fun game though definitely looking forward to more.

[Hakon]

Due to my new way of determining whether or not Pitchwife is the seer, I had a pretty good idea that you were bluffing before Roa caught your slip.

[Morsul the Dark]

Maybe but hen again my style is an unknown:smokin:
Actually I had an idea of taking either you or wilwa out Hoping that Pitch would dream one of them(making two useless dreams putting more suspicion on him) Or if Lari had called your bluff as I suggested(I knew it was a bluff because there was NO reason for you to say what you said other than to keep us away from him one more night.)

[Hakon]

I had a feeling at least one wolf would see through the bluff but I knew it would work. Well I was hoping it would fail sort of since I was desperately ready to be killed. So far I think I have the best and worst playing style. The best because I figure out who the wolves are but the worst because I use different methods that make me look suspicious and sometimes get me lynched.

[Morsul the Dark]

Well Roa is probably the hardest to read for me... as soon as wilwa revealed I knew she was the agent but Roa for a bit was a candidate... the way she said for everyone to ignore me seemed to me like saying darn now I have to make hm the agent just to protect him.:rolleyes: I knew you were the priest and tha you bluffed I think I was only surprised by rayon but that was more because of the fact I didn't know about the hunter role...

I was so hoping Wilwa WAS a well meaning innocent gone atray in strategy. I could have attempted to stay alive one more day...
But I figured hiding in plain sight was my best bet and play that newbie card to its fullest.(Of course next game I won't have that option)

[Pitchwife]

Iä! Go Innsmouth! Well done, fellow citizens!
This was a Weird Tale, to be sure - outrageously funny at times with all the HPL references in posts and narrations, with lots of surprising turns and ending with what, two unanimous lynches in a row? Wow!
Wolves, bravely fought! SpM, while you were an obvious choice to dream, I'm not at all sure that I'd have suspected you so early otherwise - certainly not enough to vote you. Lari, you were quite safely under my radar until late on Day 3, when I decided I needed to look at you for that very reason (kudos to Nerwen and Legate of Amon Leng, by the way!). And Morsul - hey, there's nothing like new blood to spice up a WW game! Your fake reveal was a daring attempt although it fell flat, and newbishness aside, you seem to have caught the general spirit of the game quickly. When you were away on Day 3, I feared you were frustrated and had given up - glad you came back and we've got you hooked! Nice first game (same goes for Craydon!).
Agent wilwa (of course you were my last dream!) - well, yes, in so far as you were supposed to help the wolves win, you failed, and it looks like your fake reveal rather helped the village by making it rather difficult for the wolves to kill Hakon and me in time. Maybe they should have sacrificed you in order to get rid of us - that would have blown Morsul's pseudo-Agent cover, but Lari's chances wouldn't have been that bad, I think. Anyway, you caused enough confusion for a handful of cobblers, and the entertainment value was tremendous!
Personally, after the fiasco of my first job as the Seer in Boro's game, I was grateful for a chance to do it right this time. Dreaming a wolf on Night 1 was sheer luck, of course. After that, I quite enjoyed being a known innocent for a change, able to relax and concentrate on finding out the wolves without having to worry about my own neck (I shudder at the thought of Roa coming after me like she did with Nerwen on Day 3!). But I could never have been so successful without Hakon's excellent double-bluffing.
Inspired dreaming from Pitchwife (I now think of him as 'Pitchfork', after his key role in getting me lynched). And Pitchie, you were absolutely right to reveal. I spotted you as the Dreamer the moment that you made your 'get serious' post and voted for me.
Thanks! The :eek: smiley after the word 'serious' (even spelt with one e only) wasn't all that subtle, I'm afraid. And 'Pitchfork' - well, nice; too bad we can't change our nicknames, this variant might reduce gender confusion...
Everybody else - you were all great, I really loved this game! This goes especially for ModCaber - kudos for the brilliant setting idea and lovely narrations! (Speaking of narrations... *taps fingers impatiently* - but don't feel under any pressure;))
My only question now is, does this statistically count as an evil or goodie victory?

[Inziladun]

But I could never have been so successful without Hakon's excellent double-bluffing.

Well done, Pitch. I think you're right.
However, had I been a wolf I don't think I'd have bothered with trying to counter Hakon's reveal. I would have just killed him, either the first Night after his reveal, or the next if he had protected himself. It's too easy to get caught up in a slip, as both Morsul and Wilwa showed. :p

[Hakon]

Inziladun, that was my worry. I had protected myself the night of my reveal. I hoped the wolves would go after me but they didn't. The next night I protected Pitchwife and the wolves did go after him. Most of my plan relied on the wolves being too busy with real life in order to sit down for a second and think wait a minute I can do this and no more ranger problem.

[Pitchwife]

Just noticed - in my last in-game post I gave credit to Kit for spotting a wilwa-Lari connection on Day 1 (and even suspected she was killed because of that), but going back and looking for the relevant post I now find it wasn't her but Nog! His post was right above one of Kit's, and scanning them in a hurry (I had little time that Day) I must have mixed them up.
But as we now know that wilwa wasn't a wolf, that makes me wonder if and how Lari guessed she was the cobbler on Day 1.

[McCaber]

The narrations, well, they'll be up as soon as I have a good hour to spare.

What really happened:

Night 1:
Dreamer: Saucepan Man (Wolf)
Priest: Morsul the Dark
Changed: Brinniel

Day 1:
Lynch: Saucepan Man (wolf)

Night 2:
Dreamer: A Little Green
Kill: A Little Green

Day 2:
Changed: Hakon
Lynch: Nienna

Night 3:
Priest: Hakon
Dreamer: Nogrod
Kill: Kitanna

Day 3:
Lynch: Loslote

Night 4
Dreamer: Lairen Shadow (wolf)
Priest: Pitchwife
Kill: Pitchwife

Day 4:
Changed: Inziladun
Lynch: Lairen Shadow

Night 5:
Dreamer: wilwa
Kill: Pitchwife

Day 5:
Lynch: wilwa

Night 6:
Kill: Craydon

Day 6:
Lynch: Morsul

[McCaber]

The PMs I sent out to the players:

You are Gaia's warrior. This city deserves everything that's coming to it - burn it to the ground.

You are a Werewolf. Your packmates are The Saucepan Man and Lairen Shadow. You may communicate freely at night. Once per night you may select one player, and barring any acts of wizardry, your target will die. You win if the village is reduced to the same size as the pack, so you may drop your masks and finish the slaughter.
You are a hapless Ordinary Villager. Well, as far as that applies in Innsmouth, anyway. Your goal is to lynch the vile wolves that threaten your way of life (and your life itself, of course).
You are one of the few in this village who knows your true destiny. You are in the process of joining the Water Brothers, and may Dagon curse anyone who interferes with that.

You are the Changed. At any time, you may give me the name of another player. If you are to die for any reason, so will he (barring any magickal tomfoolery, of course).
What is going on in this town? You've been stationed here undercover for months, and since the first night you've known something was up. And for some reason, the boss refused to listen to you. Now, all you want to do is get out of town.

You are the Agent. Your goal is for the village to be reduced to the same size as the wolfpack. If the wolves win, so do you.

You are the secret master of the Esoteric Order of Dagon. You are responsible for the well-being of these humble villagers, both spiritually and physically. Fortunately, you have been given the means to guarantee this with your arcane magicks and with secret help from the Water Brothers.

You are the Priest. Once per night you may shield one player from harm. Your target may not be killed until the night dawns. You may not do this to the same person on two consecutive nights.
Tonight, you have a vision of some gigantic entity under the waves. For some reason, instead of fear or anger, you sense a feeing of ... love, and you realize that it wants to help you. But all it can do now is show you what you want to see.

You are the Dreamer. Once per night you may have a vision of one other player, and He will show you the truth. Your goal is to lynch the Werewolves that threaten your city.

[Nogrod]

An interesting game indeed! Thanks for all you guys for it. I had less time I hoped I'd have but still managed to stay alive to the end... *hmm... wonders* Maybe it's that then? :confused:

Anyway. I have been crushed under piles of work and haven't have time to visit the BD I think ever since the game ended...

So just congrats to Pitchie for exceptionally great seering, Hakon for cold-blooded rangering, and all the loudmouths for not running to each others' throats... :rolleyes:

Also congrats to wilwa for great agentry (that was cool indeed!).

With that nasty a line-up for the village you wolves had it tough...

Now to sleep. I hope to have time to share a few comments a bit later - and some of you really deserve some reps! :cool:

Oh, and thanks McCaber, nice setting and some very entertaining narratives + well organised game! *kudos*

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

and all the loudmouths for not running to each others' throats... :rolleyes:

Actually, I wonder if that wasn't the greatest achievement of the game in the end :Merisu: