Tol-in-Gaurhoth LXVIII: A Full Moon Over Innsmouth

[McCaber]

"Ah, Innsmouth. What more can I possibly say about our fair city? I get such a sense of history from it, you know. They say we have some of the oldest buildings on the continent here. And even the newer ones, like that Order of Dagon hall, seem to have a sort of ... timelessness about them.

And the people here, well, I've never met a nicer sort. They aren't the easiest to get to know, but once you've been here long enough, nowhere else is nicer.

Over here is the Marsh cannery. It's the only thing keeping this town alive in these modern times. Gods only know why he hasn't moved it to someplace easier to get to, but I'm grateful just the same. Although, we do seem to get lucky with our catch most years. I can't remember the last time we had an honest-to-goodness bad year. Something about the geography of the place seems to bring the fish right to our doorstep, if you know what I mean.

And here's the hotel. Not real busy this time of year, but there's always a few just passing through. Tonight I've counted at least six or eight get off the bus, and not all local boys, either. It's interesting, to say the least.

Hold on a second. I just got an unseasonable chill. Like something stalked over my grave. Alright, let's keep walking.

Well stranger, thanks for talking with me, but it's getting late, and I've got to sleep. My corner's just on the other side of that building. Hopefully I'll see you again sometime."

"Sooner than you would expect, old man."

- from the last conversation of McCaber, town drunk and general layabout.

NIGHT ONE BEGINS. DO NOT POST IN THIS THREAD YET.

[McCaber]

A new day dawned over the decaying city. Hakon and Brinniel watched the red sun rise from the ocean. "Just look at that thing. I reckon that's not a good sign." "Nope, not in the least."

Pitchwife, the organ player from a foreign land (Carcassone? Caracas? something like that...) walked over to the church doors. A new sign was nailed to them. Kitanna pulled it down and began to read.

"We stand in judgment on your whole city. We know what you are, and how to stop you. And you will not know us until we strike you down." Signed only with a series of four claw marks. The full moon still hangs in the sky, and a shiver runs down the villagers' necks.

"It seems there's a company of werewolves around here," said the Saucepan Man. "I've only ever seen one of them before, and it gave me weeks of inspiration." Lolsolte, not having that connection to the macabre, wasn't ready to believe it. Nogrod, however, saw the truth in the artist's words. "Such things as werewolves are theoretically possible. In my studies I've noticed several inconsistencies about the moon which might have an amplified effect when ... " Inziladun cut him off. "Now, I don't know about theoreticallys or amplifieds, but I knows bad when I sees it. It's clear these things don't like us, and I mean to set them straight." "But how do we know if this is a serious threat?" Roa asked. "For all we know, they could simply be new mutation of the local ecology, and one we're well equipped to handle."

The argument continued, until Craydon1 dashed into the square, a panicked look on his face. "The blood, the clawing, the [sounds of gibbering, losing sanity] ... That way!" Immediately Morsul the Dark and wilwarin ran off in the direction he indicated. They found Nerwen looking at a large pile of small, red chunks. "Hm. It seems something in this town has bigger teeth than my uncles'. What happened?" After they had explained the situation, Legate was the one who put it together. "Judging by the size of the footprints, the bloody handprints, and his head on a stick around the corner, it's probably McCaber." A Little Green said a few words, before they commended the "body" to the ocean.

It was clear what they had to do. Someone wants to kill, and they're about to get some Innsmouth justice.


Lairen Shadow finally realized that the girl Nienna was only watching the sky. "What's wrong, child?" she asked. The only reply she got was a little tear before Nienna ran and hid.

The Dead:
McCaber, town drunk and general layabout [mod]

The Living:
Inziladun, fisherman
Pitchwife, heretical organist
Loslote, humble seamstress
Hakon, Innsmouth denizen
wilwa, Innsmouth denizen
Nogrod, student of alternate cosmologies
Saucepan Man, disturbed and disturbing artist
Roa, Innsmouth physician (with everything that entails)
Craydon1, penniless drifter
Nienna, "innocent" child and meteorologist
Nerwen, last scion of a decadent dynasty
Legate, displaced scholar of the Pnakotic Shards
A Little Green, blind ex-soldier
Morsul, quiet librarian
Kitanna, Innsmouth denizen
Lairen Shadow, Innsmouth denizen
Brinn, Innsmouth denizen

DAY ONE HAS BEGUN. YOU MAY NOW POST.

[The Saucepan Man]

Ai! Ai!


Mighty Cthulhu arsing imperiously from the depths of the ocean to crush the empires of man.
Hordes of Byakhee descending from blood red skies to torment the gibbering wrecks below.
The bewildering angles and unnerving pyramids and domes of the Great City of Celeano.
Tentacles slithering in the shadows of the forest as the dread Black Goat of the Woods stirs in her slumber.
The mind numbing sight of Lost R’lyeh rising from the waves.
The madness inspired by dreams of Azathoth.

These things I have seen, experienced, painted. But Werewolves …? Who ever heard of such a thing? In Innsmouth?

But, who have we here?

Inziladun – I don’t like the look of the scales and webbed fingers. There’s certainly something fishy about him.
Pitchwife – A heretic, yes. But a Werewolf? Well, as far as I know there have been no Werewolves in Innsmouth before, so they’re kind of heretical.
Loslote – Humble? By day maybe. But fanged and hairy by night, quite possibly.
Hakon – Simply a denizen? A man of mystery, more like. Definitely suspicious.
wilwarin – Another denizen? Perhaps that’s two out of the three?
Nogrod – One who studies planets … and moons. Full moons, perhaps?
Roa – A physician? Someone who has knowledge of diseases. Like lyncanthrope, maybe? And wasn’t there something about entrails too …?
Craydon1 – Penniless he may be. But fangless? I wonder.
Nienna – Claims that she’s innocent. That’s a dead give away. Claims to be able to predict the weather too. Aren’t canine beasts known for doing the same?
Nerwen – No wonder that she’s the last scion. All that wolfish night time activity gets in the way of the getting of heirs, I am sure.
Legate – Displaced, eh? Like a Werewolf when in wolf form. No idea what Pnakotic Shards are but they sound sharp. Like claws.
A Little Green – Blind, so clearly relies on her sense of smell. Just like … you guessed it … a wolf.
Morsul – Quiet? But what about after he has locked up the library for the night? Maybe that’s when he gets loud and howly and growly.
Kitanna – Another denizen. Third of the mysterious ones. Third of the Werewolves perhaps?
Lairen Shadow – One more person of mystery. Hmm. Ah, I have it! The Agent no doubt, sent to expose our secrets.
Brinniel – Oh, another denizen. I am out of bad guys. But maybe that’s what she wants me to think ...

On a more serious note, I am expecting everyone to play their full part toDay (and, indeed, every Day). When it comes to voting, we won’t have a lot to go on. But we’ll have even less if people don’t speak up, play their part, make their opinions known. I hereby give warning that I shall not take kindly to those who seek to hide in the quiet shadows of the thread.

So, when I get back, I expect to have lots to review.

[Pitchwife]

For completeness' sake, let's not forget
The Saucepan Man - disturbed and disturbing. Disturbed by the blood-lust the full moon evokes? And I find this comment rather disturbing:
I don’t like the look of the scales and webbed fingers. There’s certainly something fishy about him.
Surely you must be aware, Mr Sauce, that in this town scales and webbed fingers are a mark of respectable descent, and fishy is actually a synonym for 'trustworthy'? Or do you prefer fur and claws?
His concluding words, however, are reasonable enough, if a little forceful from the mouth of an introvert aesthete.

[Inziladun]

Who are these interlopers? They are more a threat to us than those government men ever were! But never fear, by our efforts the Deep Ones will yet prevail.
As SPM said, this ought to be a team effort. Those not showing themselves for us must be thought to be against us!

[Loslote]

I'm here! And haven't got much to say...or much to comment on. However, I am ready to pitch in to help find out these nefarious werewolves, and the one who aids them...

[Nienna]

I'm greatly amused.

Thank you SPM for that wonderful list. It looks like we've got a bunch of furry, sharp, strange acting people around here.

I also agree that everyone should participate to their fullest. I'm not the biggest fan of Day Ones but we have to make of it what we will. The village hasn't been doing its best on Day Ones recently and we have to change that streak.

[wilwarin538]

Ah, day ones, how aweful are they?

Lovely list SPM.

I personally think that aslong as whoever we lynch is not the seer, we'll already be better off then the villagers in some recent games. Besides, statistically it's pretty unlikely that another seer will be lynched Day 1, so I'm already starting off very optimistic. We'll get a wolfy we will!!!

Well, I have to pay attention in class now, just came on to say I am here and should be around later tonight. The deadline is dreadful for me so my vote will be about 4.5 hours early, and it'll be right before school so I may not have much time to catch up and ponder my choice, just warning you now. Day 2 shall be far more convenient for me, so please allow me to last that long.

[Loslote]

Well, so far Day 1 is not off to a very good start. Where is everyone? :confused:

Deadline is pretty awful for me, too. It's about 8 in the morning...and I've got school. :rolleyes: So I won't be on anywhere near deadline first and probably second Days, but third Day should be good...though I'll likely be dead by then...

[Lariren Shadow]

Just popping in for a bit, taking a break from reading for class.

Interesting SPM to say that toDay we should all play our parts. At the moment I'm going to assume you mean as a village to try to get the wolves, which we all want to do.

While I'm all for analization and finding suspicion Day 1s tend to not be a good place to look for them, until Day 2.

I do agree with Wilwa about possibly being optimistic and that maybe we can get a wolf on Day 1! And I would also like to not lynch the Seer, I've seen that happen in far to many games recently.

I'll be around later, not sure when I'm going to vote as deadline is 9 AM my time.

[A Little Green]

Hello friends! I am here, obviously I have not much to say except that SPM looks disturbing and Inziladun looks fishy, and that's about the worst joke ever and not even new. :rolleyes: I find it sort of funny that the posts this far have been pretty much people repeating and repeating that we have to be active and contributing. Of course there is the basic Day 1 problem of where to start the discussion in the first place.

As for what comes to taking or not taking kindly to people who are quiet, well, we're back to the traditional loud-quiet debate, and I stand where I always do: different people play with different styles, and I know of no one who would have the authority to define what is enough contribution and what isn't. Still, I don't of course cherish the kind of "pop in, vote, disappear" -tactic unless you're really really busy, and I think everyone should contribute as much as they can. Some people just have less to say (like me), a briefer way of phrasing their thoughts, or less time on their hands. Those, I think, should not be reasons for not taking kindly to people. Making no effort, on the other hand, should.


EDIT: x-ed with Lari!!! I x-ed with someone! Wonderful!

[A Little Green]

I do agree with Wilwa about possibly being optimistic and that maybe we can get a wolf on Day 1! And I would also like to not lynch the Seer, I've seen that happen in far to many games recently.Exactly. I think we often forget that it's actually possible to lynch a wolf on Day 1. We easily fall into thinking that Day 1 is a hopeless case and that we're bound to lynch an innocent (or the Seer). That, of course, is a most unhelpful attitude. We definitely have a chance of catching a wolf toDay and we should not forget that.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hello, I am not going to call you friends, but that's not what we expect from the others in this city anyway, do we.

I also agree that everyone should participate to their fullest. I'm not the biggest fan of Day Ones but we have to make of it what we will. The village hasn't been doing its best on Day Ones recently and we have to change that streak.

That's a good thing to point out, though of course it needs more than words to change it. Anyway, I guess let's see till more people post. The time has not probably yet come for most to post, and the darkness that creeps threateningly upon the shores of New England and strange omens above America's cities will rouse more of their inhabitants.

I personally think that aslong as whoever we lynch is not the seer, we'll already be better off then the villagers in some recent games. Besides, statistically it's pretty unlikely that another seer will be lynched Day 1, so I'm already starting off very optimistic. We'll get a wolfy we will!!!
Statistically or not, let us note that it did happen in the several last games, statistic or not. Though I guess it is more of a matter of group mentality. And bad luck. Basically, it is too random to determine. Of course it is the matter for everybody to try to prevent that from happening.

I find it sort of funny that the posts this far have been pretty much people repeating and repeating that we have to be active and contributing. Of course there is the basic Day 1 problem of where to start the discussion in the first place.
That's probably the most substantial point this far, but on the other hand, well, what can we do on first Day. Let's see what happens in a few hours. This far, I don't have any particular feelings on anybody... it could be more interesting once people start to post more (cf. above).

Exactly. I think we often forget that it's actually possible to lynch a wolf on Day 1. We easily fall into thinking that Day 1 is a hopeless case and that we're bound to lynch an innocent (or the Seer). That, of course, is a most unhelpful attitude. We definitely have a chance of catching a wolf toDay and we should not forget that.

Yea, let's show some hope, my foul despair-bound comrades...

Now I will just crawl back into my dark gloomy cottage on the black hill whereupon the stars loom hauntingly in the night and the red Aldebaran leers over the horizon like some blasphemous eye chanting a forbidden song, and let the terrible Nogrod take the horrifying square-shaped machine which is flickering with is hideous lights into the darkness of this haunted room so that he can post something, if he will.

[Pitchwife]

Hear, hear! Our ex-soldier may be blind, but thank Cthulhu she's not dumb, and she speaks sooth. In fact, I'd say this was the most substantial contribution up to now.
As for the loud/quiet-debate - of course everyone should make an effort to participate to the fullest, but exactly how much everybody's fullest amounts to may and does vary from person to person. It's difficult to distinguish between a naturally quiet citizen, somebody distracted by menial duties, and a lurking wolf; in case of doubt, content should be considered as much as word count.
(By the way, it just occurs to me that the hallowed First Commandment According To Nogrod, "Thou shalt not suffer a submarine to live!", is somewhat problematic to apply in a setting where all of us - except for the wolves - aspire to becoming submarines in the end...;))

(x-ed with Legate)

[The Saucepan Man]

For completeness' sake, let's not forget
The Saucepan Man - disturbed and disturbing.
Aye. Disturbed that nearly half of the village has not yet spoken. And disturbing? Yes, I plan on causing much disturbance to the Wolves in our midst.

Back shortly ...

[Nogrod]

I'm all for analizationThat is an interesting concept for the new cosmology... we may need to study that further... :o

Let's see what happens in a few hours. This far, I don't have any particular feelings on anybody...Well, of course you don't as no one has done anything.

So think of a detective.... How does one get to start making conclusions? Well, when there is data to build the deductions on. And are there any right now? No.

It's so sad a student of parallel universes has to tell you this universe is dull and void... :rolleyes:

And without meaning.

Unless we find some. Let me see...

[Inziladun]

Still, I don't of course cherish the kind of "pop in, vote, disappear" -tactic unless you're really really busy, and I think everyone should contribute as much as they can. Some people just have less to say (like me), a briefer way of phrasing their thoughts, or less time on their hands. Those, I think, should not be reasons for not taking kindly to people. Making no effort, on the other hand, should.

Now that's pretty well spoken, and true indeed. There is a difference between adhering to a particular style, and being a non-entity that slips quietly through the cracks.
Seems folks are getting a bit more lively, or at least lively for us. I like the trend.

[Inziladun]

That is an interesting concept for the new cosmology... we may need to study that further... :o

I missed that one. :D

[Pitchwife]

Speaking of being distracted by other duties - much as I regret it, I'll have to withdraw from this investigation for a while, as I've got to prepare the music for our next Black Mass*. Received a score from Paris the other day which I hope to transcript for the organ - fascinating material, penned by none other than the great Erich Zann shortly before his mysterious death; that should make a worthy offering to our Father Dagon and Mother Hydra, don't you agree? But I'll be back some hours before the Day ends. Till then, may He Who Dwelleth In The Deep bless your efforts!

(*read: get some sleep before work)

[Nogrod]

Let's take the infamous rule that one of the first posters is a wolf as they have a desire to be active...So SPaM, Pitchie, Inzil, Loslote...?

I would be surpriesed indeed if one of them was not a wolf but then again being among the first ones to post should not be a reason to lynch anyone on any Day as such.

Anyway, shouldn't you guys be able to make even one case against someone so that we could get actually started?


Let me show you an example at this time of the Day... (sad it is but it's something compared to what you have done this far)

SPM is just so nice (and a perfect cover making that funny list and all) - but as he has not been around for years I would not like to suggest lynching him toDay on that... Be there real reasons it'd be different.

I get a bit disturbing feeling from Pitchie's first post. It feels like he tries to look like a critical and autonomous person but still rubbing Spm the right way... Also the way he praises Greenie for great points looks more like trying to make friends than actually giving a verdict on something to the benefit of the townsfolk. So slightly worrying.

Inzil manages to post thrice to say nothing in particular. Suspicious.

Loslote looks either lost (with time?) or just pure evil. Nienna looks no better...

But Wilwa then? All the showed optimism and the explanations of not being around all the time... Just what a wolf would write... keeping up appearances, you know?

Lari I'm a bit baffled about as she says basically the same the others before her but I'm not as suspicious of her. Maybe that means she actually is a baddie?

I always suspect Greenie - and she is always a bad girl! :) Now this much praised talk of the general terms is just what an intelligent wolf would do. Stay on the abstract level and speak of things people would like to hear and agree on. The most basic wolf-tactics...

Legate seems a bit disinterested as well. Nothing to go for without some toil, sure but maybe he's being too easy?

The thing fitting for every wolf: the more we just keep on saying "hi there, nice to meet you" or "let's kill the bastards"; or taking the meta-level in the beginning like "the quiet ones can be productive / should be lynched immediately"; or just plain refusing to "open the game" with any suspicions...

So let's do the town a favour and not lynch the controversial people but a nice one.

The wolwes need to be nice, we don't. The wolves don't need to find the culprits, we have to do that.

They can rub you the right way anyrime, we can't afford that with anyone.

Think about that unless you had more important things to think about... :smokin:

[wilwarin538]

Hmm, a bit more talking, I like this.

Why can't someone just say something blatanly suspicious so that the rest of us have something to talk about?? :p

Does anyone else adore the fact that McCaber used the word "macabre" in his narration? I think that's amazing....It's like me using the words "ill warrant" or "will war" or something.... [/crazy randomness]


So the thing about Day 1s is that while we're in it they are really mostly useless, there's no one to really suspect and not really much info to go on, we basically just all pick someone random to vote for and try our hardest to find some logical reason for it (I know, no one likes to say their vote is random, but honestly most of the time it is, cause really, there's barely anything on anyone). But Day 1s are sooo useful on Day 2s, therefore we should all help ourselves out and post anyway, even if we have nothing to say or add. Just so that toMorrow we'll have something on everyone!

See, I just posted something that didn't really contain anything overly new/useful, but now tomorrow someone will have something to analyse regarding me.

Now no one should have an excuse for not posting.....:D

(I had a lovely day, so if I sound a bit weirder then usual it's cause I'm a tad happier then usual)

x'posted with Nog, list!!!!

[Morsul the Dark]

This is my first time so maybe my reasoning skills are still being tuned but:

I say we lynch Nienna for a few reasons, firstly she acts far too innocent to be also notice Mccab put quotes around innocent Hmm a slip on our mods part?

although Pitwife and kitanna find the note first is a bit odd as well... but I caan't say that Means anything yet

[The Saucepan Man]

So think of a detective.... How does one get to start making conclusions? Well, when there is data to build the deductions on. And are there any right now? No.Not a lot to go on, my dear cosmologist, no. Thus far, everyone seems a bit cagey as if afraid to put a foot (or a fin ... or even a paw perhaps) wrong. But there are a few things that have caught my attention.

Surely you must be aware, Mr Sauce, that in this town scales and webbed fingers are a mark of respectable descent, and fishy is actually a synonym for 'trustworthy'? Or do you prefer fur and claws?
I am also aware that scales and webbed hands may hide fur and claws. A perfect disguise, surely, in a village such as this. And yet you seem rather eager to defend Inzil and accuse me, Pitchwife. Did I perhaps hit a raw nerve in my random burblings?

Interesting SPM to say that toDay we should all play our parts. At the moment I'm going to assume you mean as a village to try to get the wolves, which we all want to do.What else would I mean? And what a strange comment. I am not quite sure what to make of it, but I will be keeping an eye on you.

As for what comes to taking or not taking kindly to people who are quiet, well, we're back to the traditional loud-quiet debate, and I stand where I always do: different people play with different styles, and I know of no one who would have the authority to define what is enough contribution and what isn't.Just to be clear. I was not suggesting that we should lynch people for their playing style. I was (and am) saying that I will have no patience for those who look like they are trying to lay low to avoid attention.

There is a difference between adhering to a particular style, and being a non-entity that slips quietly through the cracks. Quite so. And its the latter types that I will have no truck with.

[Nogrod]

Why can't someone just say something blatanly suspicious so that the rest of us have something to talk about?? :pWhy wouldn't you do it Wilwa? :D

And I actually mean it whatever your role is. If you get lynched early because of what you say but thus help us others to spot a wolf you'll be a hero. So be brave and open your mind! Why can't you?

And anyway, why will not everyone say things aloud?

Okay the first posters are a thing in themselves as there is nothing to build any opinios on but already now I think there is a lot to be said (which I have kind of tried to exemplify in my last post).

So there are no more excuses to say just "hello", "have a good Day" or "let's get those bastards"...

That's like over and done with.

So the thing about Day 1s is that while we're in it they are really mostly useless, there's no one to really suspect and not really much info to go on, we basically just all pick someone random to vote for and try our hardest to find some logical reason for it (I know, no one likes to say their vote is random, but honestly most of the time it is, cause really, there's barely anything on anyone). But Day 1s are sooo useful on Day 2s, therefore we should all help ourselves out and post anywayIt would be much better if you actually said something yourself and not just called for others to say something - as reasonable as that call is in itself.

The wolves love to take that kind of a posture: say what is wise but not expose their own necks to actually do that which they think the others should do...

Okay. Sleep for me as well now but I'll be back later in the Day...

[Craydon1]

So I'm getting that Day 1s are a little slow. Fair enough. Most of my post will be between 5-10 cst which means I won't have much last min input since the deadline is when I'm at work. Hmmmm....oh before I forget Roa is currently on a plane home, so if she doesn't get a post in today that's why. As for giving people something to analyze, what if we figured out a question (or a few) that people could answer that would show something about themselves. Now these questions don't have to be blunt (ex If you happened to be a werewolf, who would you kill?), but something that opens you up for examination. I'll give an example and answer it: What, based on the role you have (publicly) in the town, would you have been doing last night that would make it impossible for you to be a werewolf? Now my answer: I would have been playing my guitar outside a tavern well into the night to try to get enough change for a room or a meal. Just a suggestion to give people something to work with.

[The Saucepan Man]

Let me show you an example at this time of the Day... Yes, good work and all that, Noggie old chap. And yet, you have simply given a reason for suspecting everyone who has posted thus far. Which might in itself be considered Wolfish behaviour, as you are seen to be making accusations (not 'nice' behaviour, to use your phrase) while remaining entirely non-committal (as between those you have discussed) at the same time. :rolleyes:

So let's do the town a favour and not lynch the controversial people but a nice one.

The wolwes need to be nice, we don't. The wolves don't need to find the culprits, we have to do that.But this I agree with. It is in a Wolf's interests to appear reasonable and helpful, to align itself with the majority, and to avoid drawing to much attention to itself.

I say we lynch Nienna for a few reasons, firstly she acts far too innocent to be also notice Mccab put quotes around innocent Hmm a slip on our mods part?Heh heh. I think that we ought perhaps to credit the poor departed mod with a little more sense. Not that I would discount Nienna from consideration of course. Her one contribution thus far was very 'nice', as Noggie puts it.

[Hakon]

I am going to have to vote in the next hour or two. I don't have time to get on tomorrow morning and deadline is while I am at school. My vote will most likely be whoever comes off as most suspicious in my opinion.

[Morsul the Dark]

While I have already casted my vote Prematurely it seems(I claim Rookie:D) Given more thought

Pitchwife and Kitana "discovered" the note

Nerwen was the one by the blood and bones

Nienna again maybe she is an innocent ashamed by her other half?

Legate seems learned in Werewolf lore an anatomy..

Hmm... I should have thought about this more before voting...

by the by I noticed people posting their votes in Red how do I do that?

[wilwarin538]

Why wouldn't you do it Wilwa? :D

And I actually mean it whatever your role is. If you get lynched early because of what you say but thus help us others to spot a wolf you'll be a hero. So be brave and open your mind! Why can't you?



Ahaha, you'd just love that so much wouldn't you Noggy??? But no, I'm not gonna get to play again for a long time so I'm gonna hold on for as long as possible and get the most out of this game. No way am I gonna make it obvious that I'm a wolf just to make you're life easier.....oops :p.


It would be much better if you actually said something yourself and not just called for others to say something - as reasonable as that call is in itself.


I was simply making a point that no one can make the excuse "I didn't post cause I had nothing new to add". I posted and had nothing new to add, therefore everyone can. Something useless is still better then nothing at all.

Obviously I wasn't going to leave it at that and then vanish. That'd be silly. I will be coming on a few more time throughout the Day.

But for now I need badly to do some homework, so I'm going to go for a bit and then come back in about half an hour, ish. Hopefully have something useful to add by then.

x'posted with a few

[wilwarin538]

Hmm... I should have thought about this more before voting...

by the by I noticed people posting their votes in Red how do I do that?

You voted already??? Where?? *confused*

We have to vote in red?? didn't know that...

you do it like this [ highlight ] vote [ /highlight ] (without spaces)

[Morsul the Dark]

EDIT I didn't Vote yet??? WOOO

Just proving my inexperience and lack of consideration but I can't retract a vote sooo.... C'est La Vie

also that's why voting in Red Makes sense... Darn I might have actually gotten away with voting again but that'd be unfair.

I still think Nerwen Pitchwife and Kitanna would be runners up in suspicion based on the story not much to go on...

Well then I'll vote this post thinking about it after what's been said
Sorry Nienna I feel like a jerk for using a technicality to change my vote so I have to go with my original impulse I'll be more careful in the future

++Nienna

[The Saucepan Man]

Don't worry Morsul, you haven't voted yet. Voting is done in a particular way, with double plus signs and in bold type, as follows:

++Name of person you are voting for

I presume that votes should be in bold and don't need to be highlighted in red, as there is nothing that they need be distinguished from.

My vote will most likely be whoever comes off as most suspicious in my opinion.And there was me thinking that you would vote for whoever looks least suspicious to you ... :p ;)

Actually, I think wilwa has it about right. Barring any major slip-ups from the Wolves, Day 1 votes are pretty much random, whatever reasons people might come up with. Except the Wolves' votes, of course. And that is one of the main reasons why what happens on Day 1 can be so useful on Day 2. Which reminds me. Let's try to avoid any major Day 1 bandwagons, shall we? They are terribly dangerous things and they make it much easier for the Wolves to hide their votes.

Edit: Crossed with Morsul. Now I don't know whether you have voted or not ...

[wilwarin538]

Which reminds me. Let's try to avoid any major Day 1 bandwagons, shall we? They are terribly dangerous things and they make it much easier for the Wolves to hide their votes.

Edit: Crossed with Morsul. Now I don't know whether you have voted or not ...


Oh my yes. Day 1 bandwagons rarely seem to ever do anything good. If it's even possible people should try to avoid paying too close attention to what the vote tally is, just focus on who you want to vote for and don't let others' votes influence yours (unless of course you're voting someone because of their vote). Cause bandwagons suck. A bunch of votes for several people are better, and easier to analyse the next Day. (cause like 13 people voting for the same person provides us with nothing)

Morsul confused me right there. Gonna put it to WWn00byness though.

Should be back in yet another half hour. Sorry for all the little bursts, but really can't avoid it.

[The Saucepan Man]

Morsul, old chap, I'll put this down to WWn00byness too, but it is generally considered very bad form in Werewolf games to edit the content of one's posts in any major way. The reason being that a Wolf could otherwise use the edit function to hide its tracks. You can edit to correct something minor like a typo which doesn't affect the content or to indicate where you have cross-posted with someone but, if you do, you should always give the reason for the edit.

If you need to explain something in a previous post, or add to it, or anything like that, then you should put it in a new post.

I'm off to paint something dark, glistening and tentacled. I'll be back later in the Day.

[Morsul the Dark]

Ok... So here's my post explaining my old post :rolleyes:

I voted, but not really, so then I was going to change my nonexistent vote, then felt it unfair to other players so I kept my original vote.

so In conclusion my vote is:

++Nienna

Morsul then shuffles off into the stacks to look for the official WWGame Guide... Dewey Don't fail me now!

[Loslote]

I don't think narrations provide anything of importance besides who dies. McCaber wouldn't say who was a wolf right in the story. I'd only vote for something someone else has already posted. Then again, I've only got one more game than you, Morsul, so I could be wrong...but I think the narrations have to include everyone, and it would be hard to make everyone seem perfectly innocent.

[wilwarin538]

Morsul dear you didn't have to vote again.

There is nothing wrong with multiple posts, heck, we love lots of posts, especially Day 1. So no editing of any sort is needed.

Narrations don't have hints, unless they're crazy ones that only the person being hinted at and the mod can understand, but even those don't occur very often. The only sort of "hints" we'll get is if the ranger protects someone during the night, but even those are usually just said out right and not really hinted.

[Loslote]

Also, you're supposed to be 'invisible' for this game. If you don't know how, there's an explanation in the Admin thread. :)

[Inziladun]

I get a bit disturbing feeling from Pitchie's first post. It feels like he tries to look like a critical and autonomous person but still rubbing Spm the right way... Also the way he praises Greenie for great points looks more like trying to make friends than actually giving a verdict on something to the benefit of the townsfolk. So slightly worrying.

I am also aware that scales and webbed hands may hide fur and claws. A perfect disguise, surely, in a village such as this. And yet you seem rather eager to defend Inzil and accuse me, Pitchwife. Did I perhaps hit a raw nerve in my random burblings?

Both of these comments seem a bit of an overreaction to Pitchwife's first words. Granted, I've no idea if he can be trusted, but I see nothing there of particular note.

Well then I'll vote this post thinking about it after what's been said
Sorry Nienna I feel like a jerk for using a technicality to change my vote so I have to go with my original impulse I'll be more careful in the future

++Nienna

The Admin Thread is the place to find info such as how votes are to be indicated and such. It varies from game to game, depending on mod preferences.

[Loslote]

As for giving people something to analyze, what if we figured out a question (or a few) that people could answer that would show something about themselves. Now these questions don't have to be blunt (ex If you happened to be a werewolf, who would you kill?), but something that opens you up for examination. I'll give an example and answer it: What, based on the role you have (publicly) in the town, would you have been doing last night that would make it impossible for you to be a werewolf? Now my answer: I would have been playing my guitar outside a tavern well into the night to try to get enough change for a room or a meal. Just a suggestion to give people something to work with.

Actually, not a bad idea. This gives people a 'reason' to post (answering one problem) and gives other players a chance to see your writing style.

I'd be finishing the hemming and embroidery on the skirt of a dress. The intricate stitching kept me up for a long time, and when I was finished, I was too tired to do anything but sleep.

[wilwarin538]

Well I'm afraid I have to head off to bed. I'll set my alarm to get up early enough to vote, but that still won't give me too much time, I got up crazy early this morning and work late tomorrow, so I can't afford to lose to much sleep. But I shall try!

[Inziladun]

As for giving people something to analyze, what if we figured out a question (or a few) that people could answer that would show something about themselves. Now these questions don't have to be blunt (ex If you happened to be a werewolf, who would you kill?), but something that opens you up for examination. I'll give an example and answer it: What, based on the role you have (publicly) in the town, would you have been doing last night that would make it impossible for you to be a werewolf?

I hope you don't presume the wolves among us would be honest? :rolleyes:

However, I would have been on the wharf tending one of my nets until ten or thereabouts. Then, I'd have gone to my house and had a couple of knocks from the bootleg scotch I picked up you know where. And I'd go to bed.

[Nerwen]

Forgive me, my friends, for my lateness in reappearing, but the fact is that I needed to catch up on some sleep. I had a late night– one of uncles had just returned from a brief sojourn below, and had much to tell me of the wonders of many-columned Y’ha-nthlei.

Hello friends! I am here, obviously I have not much to say except that SPM looks disturbing and Inziladun looks fishy, and that's about the worst joke ever and not even new. :rolleyes:

He looks fishy? And you roll your eyes?

Sure you're really blind?

I find it sort of funny that the posts this far have been pretty much people repeating and repeating that we have to be active and contributing. Of course there is the basic Day 1 problem of where to start the discussion in the first place.

Indeed, surely these monstrous outsiders will want to appear helpful, while saying nothing that might give themselves away. And yet it is also a fact that nobody had really contributed much at that point.

Narrations don't have hints, unless they're crazy ones that only the person being hinted at and the mod can understand.

Oh yes. I seem to remember a narration of that kind...

Edit:x'd with Inziladun.

[Nienna]

So I'd like to be the badly timed weather please... Erm... I mean... I would like to be the innocent looking child with a disconcerting ability to predict the badly timed weather.

This was my post before rolls were assigned. McCaber shortened the roles to put them in the list. He put the innocent in quotes so that people wouldn't think that he was giving a role.

I do not appreciate being voted for based on these terrible reasons... and on being 'nice'. I don't mind if people actually legitimately finding me suspicious and then voting for me... that is the game... I understand as long as there are reasons.

Craydon (can I start calling you Crayon? Please? That is what I read every time I see your name... :Dhehe) seems like the only person suggesting something interesting though I don't believe it will produce any wolves.

[Nerwen]

I hope you don't presume the wolves among us would be honest? :rolleyes:

Yes, and it's not as though honest citizens can actually prove their alibis. I, as I said, was in the the bosom of my dear family– but as you know so many of them are unable to appear in public, and thus can hardly be witnesses to my innocence.

[Morsul the Dark]

Actually I voted for you mostly because from the story you were the only one not reallyy in the village until the funeral which I Do find suspicious

Also your reaction of running away

and the quotes thing was more of a joke.

[Nerwen]

So the thing about Day 1s is that while we're in it they are really mostly useless, there's no one to really suspect and not really much info to go on, we basically just all pick someone random to vote for and try our hardest to find some logical reason for it (I know, no one likes to say their vote is random, but honestly most of the time it is, cause really, there's barely anything on anyone). But Day 1s are sooo useful on Day 2s, therefore we should all help ourselves out and post anyway, even if we have nothing to say or add. Just so that toMorrow we'll have something on everyone!

See, I just posted something that didn't really contain anything overly new/useful, but now tomorrow someone will have something to analyse regarding me.

Like what? You've once again said nothing except "yeah, post more, people".

Actually I voted for you mostly because from the story you were the only one not reallyy in the village until the funeral which I Do find suspicious

Also your reaction of running away

and the quotes thing was more of a joke.

Morsul, the narrations don't contain clues to anyone's guilt. At least, they're not supposed to, anyway. (Right, Wilwa?)

[Nienna]

Actually I voted for you mostly because from the story you were the only one not reallyy in the village until the funeral which I Do find suspicious

Also your reaction of running away

and the quotes thing was more of a joke.

Oh... mods don't typically put clues in the narration. That is a worse reason to be voting me...

[Morsul the Dark]

But then the first vote IS entirely random?:eek: I mean I think it's more fun to play detectie with the story... Oh well The vote is cast whether for right reasons or not.

Though it may simply be you're shocked you were so quickly found out that you protest so, hmm?

[Inziladun]

But then the first vote IS entirely random?:eek: I mean I think it's more fun to play detectie with the story... Oh well The vote is cast whether for right reasons or not.

I wouldn't say it's completely random on Day 1. One can get a feel for some people one way or the other. But later there is more to go on when you have one's voting record at your disposal.

[Hakon]

++Inziladun

He has a track record as being a wolf and he has gotten past my radar every time. I am not taking the risk of letting him live.

Also on a side note, I think SPM is a wolf. There is no way he is an ordinary innocent. I mean he is back now after being gone for years, it makes perfect sense to give him some kind of non ordinary innocent role so he can show off his apparently awesome skills at werewolf.

[Nerwen]

But then the first vote IS entirely random?:eek: I mean I think it's more fun to play detectie with the story...

It's not meant to be random. You're supposed to vote based on people saying suspicious things, and circumstances– e.g. someone's relations with a known wolf- though of course that has to wait for later.

There's often not much to vote for on Day One, though. All I'm saying is that you can't go by the narration.

EDIT:X'd since Morsul.

[Nerwen]

++Inziladun

He has a track record as being a wolf and he has gotten past my radar every time. I am not taking the risk of letting him live.

Also on a side note, I think SPM is a wolf. There is no way he is an ordinary innocent. I mean he is back now after being gone for years, it makes perfect sense to give him some kind of non ordinary innocent role so he can show off his apparently awesome skills at werewolf.

Okay... I'm not that keen on voting based on meta-game reasons, either.

[Morsul the Dark]

Hakon interesting thought about SPM I had that same thought! But wouldn't that be obviious? I think it'd be someone sneakier.

Nerwen for example is very active bu mostly commenting on everyone else's thoughts not providing too much in way of theories. maybe because she doesn't want to give away her fellow werewolves?

[Nienna]

But then the first vote IS entirely random?:eek: I mean I think it's more fun to play detectie with the story... Oh well The vote is cast whether for right reasons or not.

Though it may simply be you're shocked you were so quickly found out that you protest so, hmm?

If they put clues in the narration then the village wouldn't have much to do and it would mostly be the Mod...

I protest being voted for bad reasons is all.

Edit: x-ed with a host

[Inziladun]

++Inziladun

He has a track record as being a wolf and he has gotten past my radar every time. I am not taking the risk of letting him live.

Also on a side note, I think SPM is a wolf. There is no way he is an ordinary innocent. I mean he is back now after being gone for years, it makes perfect sense to give him some kind of non ordinary innocent role so he can show off his apparently awesome skills at werewolf.

It's your choice, to be sure. I'd prefer to earn a lynching with my actions in this circumstance, but there you go.

As for SPM, I know him only by reputation, which appears to be overwhelmingly positive. He may indeed be evil, but I'll not suspect him for anything beyond his actions here.

x'd with Nienna and Morsul

[Loslote]

I hope you don't presume the wolves among us would be honest? :rolleyes:

Of course not. However, the way they respond would help somewhat. A wolf would have a different mentality approaching the question than an ordo. An ordo would usually imagine what their role would do (and probably have a bit of fun with it) whereas a wolf would try to distract the reader with, well, distracting things.

Edit: xed with Morsul, Nienna, and Inzil.

[Loslote]

Inzil - I'm not entirely comfortable with him, but nothing that I can really base a suspicion on.

Pitchie - same as Inzil, only his posts worry me more. He seemed to be jokingly trying to get on everyone's good side...but it might just be Day 1 behavior.

Hakon - hasn't been on much, and he voted for someone he 'didn't want to let live.' Interesting...and not in a particularly comforting way.

wilwa - gave good advice (state your suspicions), but didn't follow it.

Nogrod - rubs me the wrong way, but...no concrete evidence.

SPAM - potentially one of my top suspects, after Pitchie. However, there's no real reason. I just think he's probably for a wolf...though Hakon's post saying that he also suspected SPAM made me quite suspicious of Hakon, so...talk about inconclusive...

Roa - hasn't shown up, and Crayon says she might not.
Crayon (awesome nickname) - was the only one so far to give an interesting suggestion. He may still be a wolf, but I'm not overly suspicious of him right now.

Ni - I saw nothing either way - no obvious wolfishness or unwolfishness.

Nerwen - did come on, but did not post anything that stood out.

Legate - posted nice-sounding nothings.

Greenie - seemed over-eager to be helpful and far too enthusiastic for my liking.

Morsul - he's either a newbie making normal mistakes, or a wolf hiding behind a newbie mask.

Kitanna - I don't think she's been on.

Lairen - I didn't see anything outstanding.

Brinn - I don't think she's been on, either.

So far, my top two are SPAM and Pitchie. I'll probably vote for Pitchie, because I won't be able to get on again before deadline.

[Kitanna]

Ok, sorry, just got home from work. I'll be on now for a little over an hour reading and commenting. Whatever I don't get to before I go to bed I will finish when I wake up (roughly four hours before DL). So for now I'm off to read what I've missed.

[Loslote]

Okay, I won't be on again before deadline, so I'll have to vote early. Sorry.

++ Pitchie

[Craydon1]

I also have to vote early. It's also acceptable to call me Crayon if it makes you happy ;)

++ Inzil

[Nienna]

It's also acceptable to call me Crayon if it makes you happy ;)

Oh it does :D

[Roa_Aoife]

Alright, I'm here briefly. I'll have to sleep soon. A few things:

Morsul and Hakon: Roles are handed out randomly. The mod doesn't choose who each person is. So thinking of who McCaber would pick will get you no where. Also, no clues in the narration- it would be bad form.

Next: Blah, blah, blah day 1's are useless, no they're not, let's kill/ not kill the quiet people. Let's move beyond the basics. That debate will only have us going in circles and not finding wolves. People who have been perpetuating that discussion are automatically more suspicious to me than not.

12 hours in- someone must have something to suspect about someone. Right now Wilwa is striking me as suspicious. I need to read through again and take a closer look. It may just be a feeling.

[Roa_Aoife]

Crayon *heehee* and Loslote: why?

[Roa_Aoife]

Alright, having re-read, I realized that I mixed up some of wilwa's posts with Inzil's and it was just confusing me. I shouldn't do serious thinking after being on a plane for 7 hours. :rolleyes:

I'll be back a few hours before deadline. Sorry for the lack of contribution. I'll be better on Day 2, promise.

[Nerwen]

erwen for example is very active bu mostly commenting on everyone else's thoughts not providing too much in way of theories. maybe because she doesn't want to give away her fellow werewolves?

That's better. As it happens, though, I didn't have any theories about the identity of the wolves because it was simply too early to tell.

Of course not. However, the way they respond would help somewhat. A wolf would have a different mentality approaching the question than an ordo. An ordo would usually imagine what their role would do (and probably have a bit of fun with it) whereas a wolf would try to distract the reader with, well, distracting things.

I agree that it wasn't a bad idea, just to get people talking– but I wouldn't count on wolves having any particular trouble answering the question. Why would they want to distract us from it?

[Kitanna]

A lot of the early posts were "Day 1, bleh" or "DL isn't good for me Day 1 or Day 2" or "Good list Spm". For the most part not much other than "hey I'm here" posts. Which is fine.

A Little Green mentions all that I just did in her first post (post #11). Still Greenie does provide something to go on other than the afore mentioned posts. After her first two posts it seems the conversation turns away from usual Day 1 jabber into some more substantial.

Legate comes in next, commenting on what's been said so far. At this point he takes somewhat of a wait and see attitude, wanting to give those who haven't appeared a chance to speak.

As for the loud/quiet-debate - of course everyone should make an effort to participate to the fullest, but exactly how much everybody's fullest amounts to may and does vary from person to person. It's difficult to distinguish between a naturally quiet citizen, somebody distracted by menial duties, and a lurking wolf; in case of doubt, content should be considered as much as word count.
Greenie brought this point up as well about the loud/quiet thing. Inziladun later comments on this as well. Personally, I think it's easier to tell if someone is quiet as a playing style or quiet to hide guilt after Day 2, but that's just how I've seen it in the past.

Wilwa makes a point here that I'm inclined to agree with and yet wonder about at the same time:
But Day 1s are sooo useful on Day 2s, therefore we should all help ourselves out and post anyway, even if we have nothing to say or add. Just so that toMorrow we'll have something on everyone!
Now she makes a good point about how useful all these posts will be on Day 2. However, she calls for people to make noise and if some players have nothing to add than it'll be just white noise (adding absolutely nothing substantial for Day 2). Wilwa does this herself by stating how Day 1 is hectic and random, a well established fact at this point. Wilwa acknowledges this as stating the obvious, which adds white noise. That makes me wonder.

Later Wilwa defends this from Nogrod:
I was simply making a point that no one can make the excuse "I didn't post cause I had nothing new to add". I posted and had nothing new to add, therefore everyone can. Something useless is still better then nothing at all.
I'm not sure if I agree with that. It's good to post at least once before voting, but I don't think it's such a good idea to say next to nothing. Of course it's really a Catch-22.

In Post 31 the first vote is cast for Nienna by Morsul. I know he's inexperienced, but I'm baffled by his choice.

Back to Wilwa:
If it's even possible people should try to avoid paying too close attention to what the vote tally is, just focus on who you want to vote for and don't let others' votes influence yours (unless of course you're voting someone because of their vote).
I think she has some sound advice trying not to look at vote counts. Of course I doubt many will actually do this, but I think that's a decent idea.

In general comments (because I'm falling asleep): I think Craydon puts forth an interesting idea, though I fail to see it as practical.
Morsul's vote, confused at best. Nienna's response to it, justified. The situation, amusing.
Hakon votes for Inziladun, mmmm. Granted Hakon had to vote early, but voting based on games past seems a bit dodgy.
Like Hakon, Loslote and Craydon had to vote early, but I can't find any reasoning for their votes.
(sorry these last comments are rushed)

I have some more comments to make and few more players to bring up, but I would like to review some posts with a clear head before saying anything else.

[Brinniel]

*is finally here*

So I've been reading and have come across some startling information....


And haven't got much to say...or much to comment on.
Not much to say? You'd only have not much to say if you were hiding something. Leaning evil.

I personally think that aslong as whoever we lynch is not the seer, we'll already be better off then the villagers in some recent games. Besides, statistically it's pretty unlikely that another seer will be lynched Day 1, so I'm already starting off very optimistic. We'll get a wolfy we will!!!
Optimistic? Perhaps for alternative reasons. Only a wolf would be so excited about Day One. Wilwa is most certainly up to no good.

I do agree with Wilwa about possibly being optimistic and that maybe we can get a wolf on Day 1! And I would also like to not lynch the Seer, I've seen that happen in far to many games recently.
Wait, you agree? Well then, you both must be wolves!

I am here, obviously I have not much to say except that SPM looks disturbing and Inziladun looks fishy
I don't understand what's so wrong about looking fishy. Fish does not equal wolf, thus you must be the one who is a wolf.

This far, I don't have any particular feelings on anybody
No feelings on anyone after nearly six hours into the Day? Shame on you. Wolf.

As for the loud/quiet-debate - of course everyone should make an effort to participate to the fullest, but exactly how much everybody's fullest amounts to may and does vary from person to person. It's difficult to distinguish between a naturally quiet citizen, somebody distracted by menial duties, and a lurking wolf; in case of doubt, content should be considered as much as word count.
You're making too much sense. Very suspicious.

Think about that unless you had more important things to think about...
Of course there's more important things to think about. Like....bunny rabbits. How dare you try to be productive on Day One. A wolfish move if I ever saw one.

So I'm getting that Day 1s are a little slow. Fair enough. Most of my post will be between 5-10 cst which means I won't have much last min input since the deadline is when I'm at work. Hmmmm....oh before I forget Roa is currently on a plane home, so if she doesn't get a post in today that's why. As for giving people something to analyze, what if we figured out a question (or a few) that people could answer that would show something about themselves. Now these questions don't have to be blunt (ex If you happened to be a werewolf, who would you kill?), but something that opens you up for examination. I'll give an example and answer it: What, based on the role you have (publicly) in the town, would you have been doing last night that would make it impossible for you to be a werewolf? Now my answer: I would have been playing my guitar outside a tavern well into the night to try to get enough change for a room or a meal. Just a suggestion to give people something to work with.
I don't like the formatting of this post. Probably a baddie.

Don't worry Morsul, you haven't voted yet. Voting is done in a particular way, with double plus signs and in bold type, as follows:

++Name of person you are voting for
Aw, look at that. Spm is being nice trying to help out our confused newbie. But everyone knows that helpful equals wolf. Definitely evil.

Morsul then shuffles off into the stacks to look for the official WWGame Guide... Dewey Don't fail me now!
What's this, a clueless newbie? Watch out people, he's probably a wolf just playing the ignorant newbie card.

Forgive me, my friends, for my lateness in reappearing, but the fact is that I needed to catch up on some sleep.
Apologising is one of the classic indicators of wolvery. So I think everyone can guess what my conclusion is...

BAD WOLF! BAD WOLF!

I do not appreciate being voted for based on these terrible reasons... and on being 'nice'. I don't mind if people actually legitimately finding me suspicious and then voting for me... that is the game... I understand as long as there are reasons.
Nienna is dissatisfied with Morsul's vote for her. But of course any wolf would feel uncomfortable about receiving the first vote of the Day. Obviously evil.

I wouldn't say it's completely random on Day 1. One can get a feel for some people one way or the other. But later there is more to go on when you have one's voting record at your disposal.
Lies! Day One voting should be completely random. Only a wolf would try to come up with a clever reason to vote someone. And how very suspicious of you to say otherwise.

++Inziladun

He has a track record as being a wolf and he has gotten past my radar every time. I am not taking the risk of letting him live.
Voting for someone only based on previous games is a very weak reason indeed. And only a baddie would use such weak reasoning behind a vote. How very evil of you.

Whatever I don't get to before I go to bed I will finish when I wake up (roughly four hours before DL).
Sleep? During the Day? Then what kept you up at Night? *coughwerewolfcough*

Alright, having re-read, I realized that I mixed up some of wilwa's posts with Inzil's and it was just confusing me. I shouldn't do serious thinking after being on a plane for 7 hours.
Excuses, excuses. Only werewolves need excuses.




In conclusion: You all must be werewolves. :eek: *runs away screaming*





Is it just me, or does everyone seem paranoid toDay? :p

[Brinniel]

On a more serious note...

Also on a side note, I think SPM is a wolf. There is no way he is an ordinary innocent. I mean he is back now after being gone for years, it makes perfect sense to give him some kind of non ordinary innocent role so he can show off his apparently awesome skills at werewolf.
Just because a well-known player hasn't played for awhile does not make him a wolf. For example, Formy joined one of the games I modded, playing for the first time in approximately two years. Yet he was no more than an ordo. You don't know how the mod picks roles; often it's completely random. It's also the same sort of rule that just because someone was a wolf in last game doesn't mean they won't be in this one (I was once a wolf three times in a row). Sometimes it can be tempting to go off meta-reasoning, but it's generally a bad idea and much smarter to actually suspect based on behaviour. And that's how it should be done.

As for the latest two votes... While I can understand the need to vote early, why give no reason? Loslote at least gives some analysis beforehand, but still it's not conclusive. Even if it does happen to be a random vote, at least state so instead of leaving us wondering why.

I don't know if I'll post anymore tonight but while I won't be getting up too early, I should be around for the last hour of the Day. So while you can't expect any wordy analyses from me, I will hopefully be around long enough to get a better read on everyone and make a proper vote.

[Lariren Shadow]

What else would I mean? And what a strange comment. I am not quite sure what to make of it, but I will be keeping an eye on you.

Your strange comment would be this one(bolded for easy reading)


On a more serious note, I am expecting everyone to play their full part toDay (and, indeed, every Day). When it comes to voting, we won’t have a lot to go on. But we’ll have even less if people don’t speak up, play their part, make their opinions known. I hereby give warning that I shall not take kindly to those who seek to hide in the quiet shadows of the thread.

This strikes me. I know in context it could be "play our parts as good villagers and find the wolves" but at the same time I took it as a sort of signal. Like the Agent to his wolves.


Also on a side note, I think SPM is a wolf. There is no way he is an ordinary innocent. I mean he is back now after being gone for years, it makes perfect sense to give him some kind of non ordinary innocent role so he can show off his apparently awesome skills at werewolf.

I know its been said but this is...not the greatest reasoning. While sure he could have a role, why would it have to be a wolf? This could a wolf's backhanded way of throwing off suspicion though.

Of course not. However, the way they respond would help somewhat. A wolf would have a different mentality approaching the question than an ordo. An ordo would usually imagine what their role would do (and probably have a bit of fun with it) whereas a wolf would try to distract the reader with, well, distracting things.

What distracting things? Why would a wolf make their sentence more distracting? Wouldn't they want it to be perfectly normal? I could write a whole long descriptive paragraph about what I was doing that could say absolutely nothing. It could be very distracting, but I'm innocent so that means nothing.

If we are going to go with this idea of what we were doing the night before: I was curled up in bed reading a book.

[Lariren Shadow]

Vote count!:

Morsul --> Nienna
Hakon --> Inzil
Loslote --> Pitch
Crayon --> Inzil(2)

Inzil 2, Nienna and Pitch 1.

A list!

Inzil: Doesn't set off any alarms.

Pitchwife: Seems innocent to me.

Loslote: Not newbie right? Interesting comment about distracting narratives...maybe sniffing out wolves? Or not. Needs watching.

Hakon: The comment about SPM, now that I realize taken in with his, could be signaling to each other. Not good. Don't have a good feeling about him at all.

Wilwa: She has good points and is optimistic, we should keep her around.

Nog: Seems like typical Nog. I have no idea if that means he's innocent or guilty.

SPM: Needs watching. I find him suspicious for reasons in my last post. Not saying should go after toDay, but he does deserve watching.

Roa: Seems pretty innocent.

Crayon: Newbie. Newbie pass.

Nienna: Pretty innocent looking.

Nerwen: No read.

Legate: Not setting off any alarms.

Greenie: Interesting things to say, not suspicious.

Morsul: Newbie to werewolf? Gets newbie pass.

Kitanna: Nothing much at all.

Brinn: Thinks everyone is a wolf. Paranoid, needs watching.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I am here, back from my studies of the Pnakotic Manuscripts. Most interesting things I have uncovered there this time. Did you happen to know that the cannibal Gnopkekhs, before they descended from the fearful plateau of Leng, did...

Whatever, oh, yes. The Werewolves. Okay, here be my thoughts on people up to now...

SpM seems actually very nice and active. Okay, now "nice" can be seen as a derogatory term, but it's not how I mean it now. Supported by the fact that I haven't played with him for a long time, it's very likely that I won't be voting for him toDay at least.

Morsul (does that mean Black Wind? Wonderful, I guess it's fitting here) the Dark is new around here. (Morsul - the Mod of course never reveals or hints at the identity of the WWs. And that goes for everything. I.e. if the Mod posts that somebody found the dead body, somebody came running from behind a corner etc. it's no indication to the people's roles. All this work is for us, the narrations are only narrations. The important information is always only who was killed, what was his role, or other things that might have happened related to the real - not narrational - roles.)
Morsul does not seem any suspicious to me, he just needs to get into the game. For certain, anyway, I am not going to vote him on the first Day, as this is his first game.

Noggoth is more or less his usual self, maybe a bit more, how to say it, ruthless in his attempts to initiate some events in the game, but then, he speaks sensibly a lot and also, let's see what he posts now.

Speaking of him, though...

Why wouldn't you do it Wilwa?

And I actually mean it whatever your role is. If you get lynched early because of what you say but thus help us others to spot a wolf you'll be a hero. So be brave and open your mind! Why can't you?


And so why didn't YOU do that, Noggoth, since you were so keen on staring some actual debate?

I don't feel any suspicious about A Little Green Star-Shaped Stone, at least not this far.

Maybe one I feel rather uneasy about right now is Pitchwife. It is some things he says, and the general tone of his posting. But I would probably need to re-check what he said and also see if he posts more in the future.

I really like Craydon on first sight, the idea of asking people questions or stuff like that is very nice and shows that he means well with this village (ahem...). I am not sure if asking the question you suggested would be worth anything important, but anyway the thought itself is good and mainly, like I said, it's an indication of involvement rather than trying to flow with the stream, down to the mouths of the ocean where the worms feed on the dead bodies. Whatever.

wilwa tries to argue with Nog, or so to say, respond to him, well, I think I see her point, though it's hard to say if she is speaking genuinely or not. Not particularly suspicious or anything, but not any innocent-looking either.

Hakon at first pops in and does nothing - okay, I see, might be busy, but it will be nice to see more in the future, will ye, Hakon? *scary gaze* Oh but okay, he posts more later... but then...
Also on a side note, I think SPM is a wolf. There is no way he is an ordinary innocent. I mean he is back now after being gone for years, it makes perfect sense to give him some kind of non ordinary innocent role so he can show off his apparently awesome skills at werewolf.
Surely this is no reasoning here! And the mods often assign their roles randomly. And even if they didn't, they won't tell us. That would be unfair. It's called meta-game reasoning. We seem to be having too much of that around here this time already, thank you.
Anyway, I am a bit unnerved by Hakon, actually. And the reason for his vote is just plain... well, evil (okay, the word's meaning out of the context of this village). Though I still well remember how he was lynched last time innocent on Day 1... And I can imagine even an innocent Hakon to vote in such a, well, rude manner.

I do not have any particular feeling about Loslote.

Nerwen looks more or less okay, at least trying to do something.

I am slightly worried of Inzil, too. But nothing in particular.
I hope you don't presume the wolves among us would be honest?
Of course they won't, but that's the point. The reaction is the point, not the answer. It's a difference for somebody when he has to lie.

As for Lari, I actually don't see anything suspicious about her, and seems actually quite good to me (even with that SpM comment, which is something I can see as reasonable, not saying that I agree with it, but I can see an innocent posting that).

I do not appreciate being voted for based on these terrible reasons... and on being 'nice'. I don't mind if people actually legitimately finding me suspicious and then voting for me... that is the game... I understand as long as there are reasons.
Of course Morsul's vote for Nienna has no real substance, but then why are you so overreacting, Nienna? You behave as if half of the village was after you.
Craydon (can I start calling you Crayon? Please? That is what I read every time I see your name... :Dhehe) seems like the only person suggesting something interesting though I don't believe it will produce any wolves.
Now that was just hilarious :D We don't need to produce any Wolves, I think, thank you, we probably have enough just as it is...

Roa, looks Roa, but nothing special to base my thoughts on about her yet.

Kit also, nothing special, nothing suspicious this far.

Brinn - okay, what was THAT first post, some sort of madness. Okay, normal in this village, actually. :D Anyway, but as for the serious part, I can't get any proper read on her at least yet.

Okay, but is that it? I hope so. Anyway, I guess that's from me now, I will probably pop up yet before the DL, and then probably in the last instance around it to vote.

[wilwarin538]

So this will be fairly rushed, cause I'm exhausted and have to go to school soon. No way I'm making it back on toDay (class right up until past DL, no computers allowed in this one). So some comments and then my vote:

This was my post before rolls were assigned. McCaber shortened the roles to put them in the list. He put the innocent in quotes so that people wouldn't think that he was giving a role.
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Craydon (can I start calling you Crayon? Please? That is what I read every time I see your name... :Dhehe) seems like the only person suggesting something interesting though I don't believe it will produce any wolves.

Thanks for clarifying the "innocent" thing! And I thought the same thing about Craydon, haha. (both about his name and his comments)


Morsul, the narrations don't contain clues to anyone's guilt. At least, they're not supposed to, anyway. (Right, Wilwa?)

Ahaha, no they're not supposed to....but I am a rebel :p

++Inzilidun

He has a track record as being a wolf and he has gotten past my radar every time. I am not taking the risk of letting him live.

Also on a side note, I think SPM is a wolf. There is no way he is an ordinary innocent. I mean he is back now after being gone for years, it makes perfect sense to give him some kind of non ordinary innocent role so he can show off his apparently awesome skills at werewolf.

What???? I can assure you that as a mod I did not choose someone's role by saying "Oh this player has been a Wolf sooo many times, I'll make him one in my game too". So I doubt other mods do that. Just cause he's been one before does not make him one here.

And keep in mind, if you insist to use that sort of logic for SPM, that wolf is not the only non-ordinary innocent role. And most roles are chosen randomly any who, so it's not that unlikely that he's innocent.

So...Hakon has played many games, and therefore should have some better logic by now I would think. His vote and comments are weird and I don't like them so

++ Hakon

Sorry I was arround so randomly toDay, next Day should be far better from me.

[Nogrod]

It's called meta-game reasoning. We seem to be having too much of that around here this time already, thank you.
Exactly. Although it should be added that it's difficult, or probably even impossible ;), to ignore all the meta-reasons one has for suspecting people on Day1. But it's a different thing to have suspicions based on some meta-reasons than to try and argue for ones votes with them.

Like I just can't help it that because Greenie has so totally fooled me a few times lately and I have the feeling she's always a baddie it makes me suspect her also on this Day. Or if I thought the mod had made a slip in the narration I couldn't help that thought affecting my suspicions, but I couldn't argue my "case" based on that slip as it would be kind of "unsporty" (some of you might remember Glirdan's game where he slipped the gender of the last wolf in the narration that one being the only one of that sex left).

So let's try not to suspect people based on meta-reasons and at least not use them as arguments...


Okay. Off with the meta-reason discussion with me.

I need to make a pie for the girls but I will think while doing it. But just from the last posts a few little things...

Somehow the way how Lari makes her comment on wilwa strikes me: Wilwa: She has good points and is optimistic, we should keep her around.It may be that she just wished to express herself differently (there are many of whom she says only "seems innocent" or "pretty innocent looking" etc.). But of wilwa she says that we should keep her around with actual backing / arguments for why she thinks so. And I think there had been some suspicions raised on wilwa, so that would fit "nicely" :p ...

Secondly I do share Legate's concern on Nienna. The way she reacted to one badly backed vote early in the voting really looks like she felt the whole village was after her. And that's something the wolves tend to feel more easily than innocents.

EDIT: X'd with wilwa

[Kitanna]

Sleep? During the Day? Then what kept you up at Night? *coughwerewolfcough*

That's shenanigans my dear Brinn, simple shenanigans. ;)

Seriously though I've had some time to mull things over and clear my head. So before continuing where I left off last night I have a few general comments to make.

1) In regards to voting early, namely Loslote and Crayon. Neither one gave a reason, not even a terrible reason like "I picked this name out of a hat." Hakon also voted early, but he had a reason for his choice (not a good reason, but a reason). I see I'm not the only one who thinks like this:
As for the latest two votes... While I can understand the need to vote early, why give no reason? Loslote at least gives some analysis beforehand, but still it's not conclusive. Even if it does happen to be a random vote, at least state so instead of leaving us wondering why.

2) Morsul's vote, not his own confused vote, but Nienna's reaction and reactions to Nienna's reaction. Nienna became annoyed, or maybe angry is a better word, when she discovered Morsul's faulty reasoning for his vote for her. She stated she didn't like being voted for in such a manner. This had Legate saying:
Of course Morsul's vote for Nienna has no real substance, but then why are you so overreacting, Nienna? You behave as if half of the village was after you.
And Nogrod agrees with it.
Morsul makes a comment on the subject too:
Though it may simply be you're shocked you were so quickly found out that you protest so, hmm?
Now, Nienna does react unusually strong to Morsul's vote. But, and please someone correct me if I'm wrong, at the time of Morsul's vote Nienna hadn't spoken yet had she? I myself was annoyed and angry Morsul listed me as a suspect in one of his earliest posts based on the narration. I see where Nienna's response would be seen as a red flag, but I'm having a hard time finding it overly suspicious.

3) I spoke considerably on Wilwa's suggestion for everyone to talk more, regardless of what they said in my last post and I'd like to finish up a thought on that.
But Day 1s are sooo useful on Day 2s, therefore we should all help ourselves out and post anyway, even if we have nothing to say or add. Just so that toMorrow we'll have something on everyone!
As I said before she makes a good point about these posts helping on Day 2, but this suggestion worries me as well. If we have half the village just repeating the same things or just doing random in character gibberish then we have nothing Day 2 and it essentially becomes almost like a second Day 1. I think everyone should post, but if people flood the thread with nonsense it becomes just as easy for wolves to hide behind that as it is to hide behind a mask of quietness. Wilwa should know this and that makes me wonder why she put the idea of "make lots of noise" out there in the first place.

Well I'm off to finish what I started before bed. I'll be around and hopefully posting until half an hour before DL.

[Morsul the Dark]

Well then I'll vote this post thinking about it after what's been said
Sorry Nienna I feel like a jerk for using a technicality to change my vote so I have to go with my original impulse I'll be more careful in the future

++Nienna

I think I've explained Why I kept Nienna's vote sure the reasoning may have been flawed But as we can't retract votes we're stuck with this one I'll be more careful in the future that said Nienna's reaction may have been justified but forgive and forget, or is a werewolf's forgiveness hard to come by?

[Pitchwife]

Present and reading. The village seems to have woken up, and I'll need a while to catch up with everything, but while I'm at it -
And yet you seem rather eager to defend Inzil and accuse me, Pitchwife.
No, merely commenting on your words regardless of who they referred to. If I'd seriously defend Zil, odds are he'd turn out a wolf - it's a fact of experience.
As for Cray's question, I was soundly asleep, dreaming of the glories that await us in many-columned Y'ha-nthlei after the final transformation...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So...Hakon has played many games, and therefore should have some better logic by now I would think. His vote and comments are weird and I don't like them so

++ Hakon

Okay, but THAT screams "wolf" to me. Because really. I completely disagree with what Hakon did (and I said so), but then, if you try to think of it deeper... Would Hakon do such a thing as a Wolf? Or, is it any indication of his wolfishness? Also, like I said, I can well imagine even innocent Hakon being so "rude" and vote in the way he did. Also, what is the Wolves' purpose? It's to find a person whom the others suspect and vote for him/her as well, in order to hide in the crowd, or to find somebody to whom they can draw the suspicion of other villagers. But would what Hakon just did be a good opportunity to find a target for the village? I doubt it. I doubt Hakon-Wolf could have hoped for getting Inzil lynched by saying what he did. These were no reasons which would create a bandwagon.
But voting for Hakon at the moment when it seems that there is a good point to catch on, now that is what wilwa does. And that actually looks like a good start of a bandwagon, indeed! That's why it screams wolfy to me. And anyway, wilwa, if you are accusing Hakon of having bad logic and that he should be better, look at your own vote for him. "I don't like him" is about as bad logic as Hakon uses. No, really. You are either being hypocritical, or being a Wolf.

Now, Nienna does react unusually strong to Morsul's vote. But, and please someone correct me if I'm wrong, at the time of Morsul's vote Nienna hadn't spoken yet had she? I myself was annoyed and angry Morsul listed me as a suspect in one of his earliest posts based on the narration. I see where Nienna's response would be seen as a red flag, but I'm having a hard time finding it overly suspicious.
Not really, but one mistaken vote of one newbie? It can be seen where Morsul is coming from. My point is, had I been in Ni's place, I would have ignored his vote. It has no real substance behind it, so why should it worry me? Especially if Morsul realised that he cannot base his suspicions on things like that. Everything's all right, then. I got one vote, but happens (if he voted for me at the moment when I already have four votes and am at the risk of being lynched, then it would be something different). Of course it's possibly a shock at first, but then when you see the reasons and the background for it, it really isn't an issue. And I am saying this because I got the feeling about Ni that her reaction would not have been so different from mine when it comes to that.

3) I spoke considerably on Wilwa's suggestion for everyone to talk more, regardless of what they said in my last post and I'd like to finish up a thought on that.
As I said before she makes a good point about these posts helping on Day 2, but this suggestion worries me as well. If we have half the village just repeating the same things or just doing random in character gibberish then we have nothing Day 2 and it essentially becomes almost like a second Day 1. I think everyone should post, but if people flood the thread with nonsense it becomes just as easy for wolves to hide behind that as it is to hide behind a mask of quietness. Wilwa should know this and that makes me wonder why she put the idea of "make lots of noise" out there in the first place.
That's a fair point too, though personally I am not worried by that in particular with wilwa. I think this could be perfectly innocent comment. (But I have different reasons for suspecting wilwa - cf. above.)

[The Saucepan Man]

My masterpiece is complete! I am back!

Both of these comments seem a bit of an overreaction to Pitchwife's first words. Granted, I've no idea if he can be trusted, but I see nothing there of particular note.

So first Pitchwife defends you and now you seem to be defending him? Is there some kind of a conection between the two of you? Probably too obvious, but I am bearing it in mind. I disagree with others that Pitchwife has been overly agreeable. Au contraire, I found him unduly hostile in his first post, singling out for comment my words on him and Inzil from the flim-flammery that I posted. Maybe it was to provoke discussion, so I shall reserve judgment for now.

I'll give an example and answer it: What, based on the role you have (publicly) in the town, would you have been doing last night that would make it impossible for you to be a werewolf?Hmm, unlike others, I am not sure what answering this question is going to tell anyone. For, what it’s worth, I was in my attic studio painting yet another masterpiece, a depiction of the windowless obsidian towers of Yuggoth. Of course, like everyone else, I can produce no witness to confirm my alibi, so where does that get us?

A wolf would have a different mentality approaching the question than an ordo. An ordo would usually imagine what their role would do (and probably have a bit of fun with it) whereas a wolf would try to distract the reader with, well, distracting things.You see, I just don’t get this. A Wolf and an innocent will both approach the question in exactly the same way. Both will be making up something based upon their stated role. I actually preferred Craydon’s other suggestion – that we say who we would kill if we were Wolves – or I would, but for the fact that it may give the Wolves ideas. Still, I suppose it has got people talking, which is no bad thing in itself.

Morsul’s vote was based on invalid criteria, that much is clear. I’m putting that down to his newbie status, for now at least. But equally, I do not begrudge Nienna a little anger at receiving toDay’s first vote based on invalid criteria. I see nothing unusual in it and, indeed, I am more alarmed about those who have sought to make more of it than it merits (yes, I’m looking at you Legate and Nogrod).

I didn’t like Craydon’s vote either, being as it was totally unsupported by any reasoning. But as he’s a newbie, in these parts at least, I shall give him a break too for toDay.

Also on a side note, I think SPM is a wolf. There is no way he is an ordinary innocent. I mean he is back now after being gone for years, it makes perfect sense to give him some kind of non ordinary innocent role so he can show off his apparently awesome skills at werewolf.Hehe. My reputation is for others to judge, but ‘awesome’ is not exactly a word I would ever use to describe myself, either in relation to my Werewolf prowess or otherwise. :D Like others, I do not consider Hakon’s reasons for suspecting me and for voting for Inzil to be valid. I am not sure that this alone points to him being a Wolf, though. In fact, I think that a Wolf is far more likely to come up with some kind of an in-game reason to justify its vote.

Nerwen for example is very active bu mostly commenting on everyone else's thoughts not providing too much in way of theories. maybe because she doesn't want to give away her fellow werewolves?Hmm, now that’s much better reasoning, Morsul. And a good point to boot.

However, there is one person who is worrying me more than any other at the moment. Loslote posted a few times, but with little to say, early in the Day. Then (at #58 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=613119&postcount=58)), she sets out her thoughts on everyone in the village. Only it doesn’t really say very much at all. Indeed, if I am honest, it is a masterpiece of non-committal. For each villager, she either says they might be a Wolf or they might not, or she has nothing to say about them. She even tries to excuse her suspicion of her lynch candidate du jour, Pitchwife:

Pitchie - same as Inzil, only his posts worry me more. He seemed to be jokingly trying to get on everyone's good side...but it might just be Day 1 behavior.So, just like practically everyone else on your list, he might be a Wolf but he might not be, but you’re going to vote for him anyway. Why him in particular? The vote ends up being very unreasoned. Overall, Loslote’s activity comes across to me as typically Wolfish. Posting a fair bit to show she’s engaged, trying to look helpful, but actually avoiding saying very much of anything at all.

This strikes me. I know in context it could be "play our parts as good villagers and find the wolves" but at the same time I took it as a sort of signal. Like the Agent to his wolves.I thought that my meaning was fairly obvious. I find it a strange basis upon which to suspect someone, and so I remain wary of you.

I am currently wary of Pitchwife, Inzil, Larien and Nerwen, for the reasons stated above. But my main suspect by far is Loslote, on account of her unnervingly Wolfish behaviour. And, since I am not sure whether I will be have a chance to get back before the Day is out:

++Loslote

[Roa_Aoife]

Alright, I'm back.

So, having read through the thread, here are my observations (and no, it's not a list- I hate lists):

I think Morsul has got the idea now. However, Nienna's reaction- overly offended or rather justified? Initially, I think it was understandable. After all, I don't care if people vote for me, so long as they have a good reason for doing so. Bad reasons are upsetting. Her further reactions are a bit defensive. She keeps on Morsul, as if he could change his vote.

I think SPM is being too harsh on Loslote, and has a double standard. Most people are saying a whole lot of nothing today, so why should someone in his second game be different from the seasoned players making the same errors? But then, SPM is the master at talking a lot without saying anything, and building reasonable sounding cases on what is little more than hot air. It seems a shame to lynch him in his first game in years, but that can only protect you so far.

I don't like Brinniel's post at all. By the time she posted there was a lot to comment on, but instead of doing anything useful, she posted a lot of bantering fluff. If she contributes not further I will likely vote for her.

[Nogrod]

she sets out her thoughts on everyone in the village. Only it doesn’t really say very much at all. Indeed, if I am honest, it is a masterpiece of non-committal. For each villager, she either says they might be a Wolf or they might not, or she has nothing to say about them.
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Overall, Loslote’s activity comes across to me as typically Wolfish. Posting a fair bit to show she’s engaged, trying to look helpful, but actually avoiding saying very much of anything at all.
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my main suspect by far is Loslote, on account of her unnervingly Wolfish behaviour.It's interesting you say that you think that those who see Nienna's reactions to a first vote of the Day as over-nervous á la wolves are suspicious but then base your own vote on something as solid as what you say in the quote above... :)

Wouldn't this quote of yours describe also your vote and your reasons for it?
I am more alarmed about those who have sought to make more of it than it merits

Okay. Yes, there's very little to go on as usual on Day1 and we all have to find whatever there could be to help us in our judgements. I think you Spm are reading way too much in Loslote's indecisiveness and I see more merit in the fact that Nienna reacted so strongly on the vote on her. I don't think either is a good "case" in any way but both are better than nothing.

But are they or either of them correct arguments? That's the tough one...

EDIT: X'd with Roa

[Nerwen]

So, just like practically everyone else on your list, he might be a Wolf but he might not be, but you’re going to vote for him anyway. Why him in particular? The vote ends up being very unreasoned. Overall, Loslote’s activity comes across to me as typically Wolfish. Posting a fair bit to show she’s engaged, trying to look helpful, but actually avoiding saying very much of anything at all.

She's only played one game before, though.

I am currently wary of Pitchwife, Inzil, Larien and Nerwen, for the reasons stated above.

Why me? Because of what Morsul said?

EDIT:X'd since SPM.

[Pitchwife]

I sort of agree with Legate about the Morsul-Nienna controversy - Morsul's vote was practically screaming 'clueless newbie', so Nienna might as well have shrugged it off; on the other hand, she hasn't accused him in turn or made a big fuss over the matter, she merely expressed her annoyance and pointed out that his reasons are bad (which they are). Overreaction yes, but wolfishness?
About that Hakon-Inzil thing, I don't know - Zil has a knack for making himself suspicious and getting lynched early, so he's not an unlikely target for a wolf-started bandwagon, though I'd expect that to be done with a little more reasoning. On the other hand, as far as I can see Hakon is consistently being himself - hunches, weird reasons and all; not that he couldn't still be a wolf (as could Zil) - I haven't yet seen what a Hakon-wolf looks like and might not recognize it before it bites me in the nose.
Not that all this leaves me (or you) any the wiser...:(

[Kitanna]

Okay, but THAT screams "wolf" to me.
I'm inclined to agree with you about her vote, but for different reasons. It seems stranger to me that she would accuse him of not having sound logic having played so many games in the past, considering I feel the same way about her own suggestion of making noise.


My point is, had I been in Ni's place, I would have ignored his vote.
I feel this is just a matter of how different players react to different scenarios. I probably would have reacted the same as Nienna, which is why I'm willing to take her reaction as a panicked innocent rather than a panicked wolf. I'd rather see what how Nienna reacts when she receives a vote that is more than just a newbie's confusion. If the reaction is the same, then perhaps there's some merit to what Legate and Nogrod have said. For now I prefer to wait and see when it comes to Nienna.

I don't like Brinniel's post at all. By the time she posted there was a lot to comment on, but instead of doing anything useful, she posted a lot of bantering fluff. If she contributes not further I will likely vote for her.
I wonder if this is just Brinn's playing style though? I can't recall Brinn's first few posts, in any game, ever being more than "fluff".

Edit: x-posted with Pitchwife

[Roa_Aoife]

I wonder if this is just Brinn's playing style though? I can't recall Brinn's first few posts, in any game, ever being more than "fluff".



Hence the disclaimer "If she contributes no further." After last game (a bit of meta-gaming but can't be helped) I am far more cautious of those that seem to be hiding in the shadows with no one able to get a real feel for them.

[Nienna]

Of course Morsul's vote for Nienna has no real substance, but then why are you so overreacting, Nienna? You behave as if half of the village was after you.

The first time I responded I believed he had voted for me because of the role I chose. I wanted to clarify that I chose the character before roles were assigned. I also wanted to let him know that those are not good reasons to vote for someone. It may have seemed a little defensive because there were a few games where people have lynched me on Day One for bad reasons and I didn't'/don't want that to happen again.

Hope that clears that up.

I have to vote now because I have to run and get some work done.

I'm hesitant to vote Hakon because he is usually lynched early just because of his playing style.

I have no real reason for voting anyone right now so I'm going to have to go on my gut. There is just something a bit off with Pitchwife right now... I can't really place my finger on it. I'm really sorry and I know this is a terrible reason to vote for someone but I have nothing stronger.

++ Pitchwife

[Kitanna]

Hence the disclaimer "If she contributes no further." After last game (a bit of meta-gaming but can't be helped) I am far more cautious of those that seem to be hiding in the shadows with no one able to get a real feel for them.
Apologies, I missed the "If she contributes no further".

I'm hesitant to vote Hakon because he is usually lynched early just because of his playing style.
So then does that mean you find something unusual about his playing style and/or vote? I'm confused because this is really the first mention you've made of who you suspect and I'm not even sure you suspect him.
And Nienna probably won't be on again to answer my queries before Day 1 ends, but why Pitchwife? I realize this is a random/gut vote, but what Pitchwife say to give you a gut feeling in the first place?

[Nogrod]

Okay.

Apart from Nienna I seem to have only one decent pair of candidates which is Lari and wilwa - and I need to run for the choir rehearsals in a moment.

Now I see many people have raised concerns with wilwa but just suggesting that people should talk a lot even if they don't have a lot to say is not the greatest possible argument against her. Actually it doesn't make her look guilty in any way. But the sudden defence of her by Lari (with actual points why - which she gave practically of none else) when some suspicion started to emerge raises my eyebrows to be sure.

I just saw Nienna's post and am not sure what to say of it. Her explanation feels genuinish but it reminds me of yet one thing that looked so overdefensive about her, eg. quoting herself in the admin. thread before the roles were dealt. If that is not over-defensive then what is?

And I am a bit confused about her vote as well...

Bah. Needs to vote now.

++ Nienna


EDIT: X'd with Kit

[Pitchwife]

SpM, I hope the remark about your masterpiece being complete referred to your painting, not your post.
So my responding your 'flim-flammery' list in your first post in kind and extending it to include yourself was 'unduly hostile'? Why would you take my words about scales, webs, fur & claws as anything but the Day 1 banter they were - or did I accidentally hit home? And please note that the only words of yours I singled out in my first post were those about Zil, none about myself, as you claim. You only started talking about me and Zil together later, and I've commented on that above. If you still think I'm defending Zil, look at my last two posts.
And if you truly suspect me for such flimsily construed reasons, why would you turn on Lottie for her vote for me, when her reasons are not that much worse? OK, she hasn't really offered that much substance, but 'unnervingly wolfish behavior'? Now those are strong words, and I don't see what she's done to justify them.

[A Little Green]

I'm here and reading, have less time than I thought so I'll probably have to suffer SPM and Nogrod's wrath and be very inactive toDay. :(

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I'm inclined to agree with you about her vote, but for different reasons. It seems stranger to me that she would accuse him of not having sound logic having played so many games in the past, considering I feel the same way about her own suggestion of making noise.
Yep, I have mentioned this reason as well (as the second paraghraph of my comment on her).

The first time I responded I believed he had voted for me because of the role I chose. I wanted to clarify that I chose the character before roles were assigned. I also wanted to let him know that those are not good reasons to vote for someone. It may have seemed a little defensive because there were a few games where people have lynched me on Day One for bad reasons and I didn't'/don't want that to happen again.

Hope that clears that up.
Okay, fine with me. I guess I can see your point now, or accept it.

By the way, speaking of that...

I sort of agree with Legate about the Morsul-Nienna controversy - Morsul's vote was practically screaming 'clueless newbie', so Nienna might as well have shrugged it off; on the other hand, she hasn't accused him in turn or made a big fuss over the matter, she merely expressed her annoyance and pointed out that his reasons are bad (which they are). Overreaction yes, but wolfishness?

Okay, this is actually once again one moment where I am becoming unsure of Pitchwife. First, it looks slightly like... well, in his whole last post, he is basically stemming from things I said (or also Nogrod for that matter, etc.). It could be sort of like a Pitchwolf picking up some people of the more vocal sort and trying to make a good eye for himself by agreeing with them. Also, using their arguments as basis while expressing slight doubt would be a good cover for a Wolf in order not to need to make up any own reasons.
Secondly also, I don't think I have ever mentioned Nienna's reaction as being wolfish. In fact, indeed I have only expressed my wonder. (And now I take her explanation as acceptable.) So I wonder where this "wolfishness" came from, if it's supposed to have come from me, it could hint on some thought processes which perhaps read what they want to read (a Wolf wishing to read a suspicion being raised, so that he can continue on it)?
It may not be so, of course, and it can be interpretated in many ways. But it just again raises my awareness of Pitchwife.

EDIT: x-ed since Kitanna

[Kitanna]

I got called into work early, so I have to vote now.

I'm starting to wonder about Nienna based on her vote. That's not enough for me to vote for her though. I'm curious as to what she has to say regarding it. That said...

++ Wilwa

I've said before what I think of Wilwa and her idea, no need to repeat them in their entirety. In short, to me it looks like she could be calling for noise to hide in. Her vote doesn't help her either. She voted for Hakon based on his vote, accusing him of something that she is doing herself. Maybe I'm completely misjudging Wilwa, but right now she looks the most unusual to me.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Now I see many people have raised concerns with wilwa but just suggesting that people should talk a lot even if they don't have a lot to say is not the greatest possible argument against her. Actually it doesn't make her look guilty in any way. But the sudden defence of her by Lari (with actual points why - which she gave practically of none else) when some suspicion started to emerge raises my eyebrows to be sure.

I just saw Nienna's post and am not sure what to say of it. Her explanation feels genuinish but it reminds me of yet one thing that looked so overdefensive about her, eg. quoting herself in the admin. thread before the roles were dealt. If that is not over-defensive then what is?

Hmm, well, I don't really think so. Like I said, now I am calmed by her explanation. But okay, you may disagree - still though, I would like to know (perhaps later if you are not around now, then), why Nienna and not wilwa, as it seems to me that your level of suspicion of the both of them seems more or less the same. So, just something if you could do me a favor and elaborate on it a bit.

EDIT: x-ed with Kitanna

[Roa_Aoife]

++SPM

Because he has been throwing around suspicion as if it had the full weight of sound reasoning behind it when it didn't. And also because in all of his actual suspicions (not counting the banter) someone else expressed if not suspicion then unease or wariness in that direction first, which he then played up into a case with no merit.

Some people have a hard time showing up on Day 1, so I'm going to let Brinn go for now, but if she does the same toMorrow, I will vote for her.

Edit: crossed with kitanna down

[Pitchwife]

Time to get serious.:eek:

++SpM
While his is not the only poorly reasoned vote up to now, I'd surely expect better from him if he was innocent. Even the case he made against me was better than the one he based his vote on.

[Inziladun]

You see, I just don’t get this. A Wolf and an innocent will both approach the question in exactly the same way. Both will be making up something based upon their stated role. I actually preferred Craydon’s[/BOverall, [B]Loslote’s activity comes across to me as typically Wolfish. Posting a fair bit to show she’s engaged, trying to look helpful, but actually avoiding saying very much of anything at all.

Loslote has appeared on my radar as well. Like you, I didn't see that the 'answer a question' prosposition would be of much use in wolf-hunting, yet she landed on it with both feet.
Also, the vote for Pitchwife feels somewhat forced, and looks to me like she's possibly just taking something said by Nog and SPM and running with it.

The deal with Nienna: her reaction to Morsul did look somewhat defensive, especially considering that it was only one vote. Like Legate said, it would be a different matter if it had come at a pivotal time when she was in serious danger of a lynch.

Cray(d)on should get a pass toDay, but toMorrow all bets are off.

Hakon's vote, as so many have noted, was illogical, but it is somewhat in character for him to vote based on hunches and such. I don't think I'll go for him toDay.

EDIT- x'd with lots

[Roa_Aoife]

Time to get serious.:eek:

++SpM
While his is not the only poorly reasoned vote up to now, I'd surely expect better from him if he was innocent. Even the case he made against me was better than the one he based his vote on.

Not that I disagree with the suspicion (obviously) but that looks a bit bandwagony.

[Inziladun]

Not that I disagree with the suspicion (obviously) but that looks a bit bandwagony.

Yes, it does.

[Pitchwife]

Not that I disagree with the suspicion (obviously) but that looks a bit bandwagony.
You think I don't know that? I would have preferred to handle this more subtly, if I could, but just so we don't mess up:
I know for a fact The Saucepan Man is a wolf.
How? Well, guess!
I'm the Dreamer.

[Nerwen]

I sort of agree with Legate about the Morsul-Nienna controversy - Morsul's vote was practically screaming 'clueless newbie', so Nienna might as well have shrugged it off; on the other hand, she hasn't accused him in turn or made a big fuss over the matter, she merely expressed her annoyance and pointed out that his reasons are bad (which they are). Overreaction yes, but wolfishness?

Not necessarily, no... and perhaps not so much of an overreaction. I mean, it's all too easy for a silly vote on Day One to turn into a bandwagon.

However, this is pinging my radar a bit–

I'm hesitant to vote Hakon because he is usually lynched early just because of his playing style.

The following is somewhat meta-game reasoning, I guess, but anyway– that happens to be very close to a quote from a Nerwolf on Day One last game. That is, I voted for somebody else while explaining why I wasn't going to lynch Hakon just because of his history of being lynched early... with the subtext that hey, look everyone, this guy's actually pretty darned lynch-worthy *hint**hint*

Interestingly, I believe Nienna was the only goodie in that game who picked up what I'd done... Could a Wolfienna have remembered it as a useful technique? I'd certainly be flattered if that's the case.:Merisu:

*shrug* You could argue the other way, and say that a Wolfienna wouldn't use the same method in the very next game, especially when I'm playing too.

X'd with a host, including Pitchy's revelation. Well, well.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

You think I don't know that? I would have preferred to handle this more subtly, if I could, but just so we don't mess up:
I know for a fact The Saucepan Man is a wolf.
How? Well, guess!
I'm the Dreamer.

What the :eek:

Okay, well. That's a very... interesting turn of events. Okay, well. I guess there is no way why you would lie to us at this stage. Eurgh. Brilliant. That means... that means, let's lynch SpM? *sigh* (Lommy is going to be happy, she said she pitied the fact that she won't play with SpM... now if he dies, that's perhaps less of a loss...)

[Inziladun]

You think I don't know that? I would have preferred to handle this more subtly, if I could, but just so we don't mess up:
I know for a fact The Saucepan Man is a wolf.
How? Well, guess!
I'm the Dreamer.

You are? If so, I think your revealment was a bit premature.

[Lariren Shadow]

Awake and commenting.

Somehow the way how Lari makes her comment on wilwa strikes me: It may be that she just wished to express herself differently (there are many of whom she says only "seems innocent" or "pretty innocent looking" etc.). But of wilwa she says that we should keep her around with actual backing / arguments for why she thinks so. And I think there had been some suspicions raised on wilwa, so that would fit "nicely" :p ...

I really only meant to change up what I was saying. I did my list from the bottom up, got tired of saying "seems innocent" and decided to go with a different spin. Although the fact that you're jumping on it makes me alarm bells ring.

To add to the Nienna reaction: I didn't see anything more than her trying to point out rules to a newbie. She might have also been slightly annoyed because she can get lynched Day 1 and doesn't like it.

I'm still trying to figure out who to vote for. But in the mean time I did a vote count:
Morsul --> Nienna
Hakon --> Inzil
Loslote --> Pitch
Crayon --> Inzil(2)
Wilwa --> Hakon
SPM --> Loslote
Nienna --> Pitch(2)
Nog --> Nienna(2)
Kitanna --> Wilwa
Roa --> SPM
Pitch --> SPM (2)

In order of getting the most votes: Inzil, Pitch, Nienna, and SPM with 2. Hakon, Loslote, and Wilwa 1.

[Inziladun]

All right, fine.

++ SPM

If this turns out to be a bust, we'll have an obvious target toMorrow.

[Roa_Aoife]

Vote count (because I want one)

Morsul-> Nienna (Very confusing. Brush it off to newbieness, but I hope to see more today)
Hakon-> Inzil (Meta-game reasons, but better than picking a name out of a hat, in my opinion.)
Loslote-> Pitch (Perhaps poor reasoning, but still better than a name out of a hat.)
Crayon-> Inzil (2) (No reason given, hopefully he will have something when he returns toMorrow)
Wilwa-> Hakon (Seems to be confusing Hakon's statement about SPM with his reason for voting Inzil)
SPM-> Loslote (Poor case made to look solid)
Nienna-> Pitch (2) (Gut-vote, I don't have a problem with it)
Nogrod-> Nienna (2) (At least he has a case which he admits is flimsy)
Kitanna-> Wilwa (I don't see an issue with her reasons)
Roa-> SPM (well...)
Inzil-> SPM (2) (Odd way to jump on like that, even if I do agree)

edit: crossed. *sigh* way to panic

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

And by the way, just before this happened, I was about to post the voting count. Just for record (when I have already done it):

Morsul --> Nienna
Hakon --> Inzil
Loslote --> Pitchwife
Crayon --> Inzil(2)
wilwa --> Hakon
SpM --> Loslote
Nienna --> Pitchwife (2)
Noggoth --> Nienna (2)
Kitanna --> Wilwa
Roa --> SpM
Pitchwife --> SpM (2)

Left to vote: Inzil, Nerwen, Legate, Little Green, Lari, Brinn.

By the way, I was about to vote for wilwa, and I almost posted it. But this slightly changes the situation. I would just like to see other people's comments on Pitch's revelation and then vote.

EDIT: x-ed with several. Ah yea, somebody had the same idea.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, whatever.

++SpM

I don't think there is anything to wonder about, it would really make no sense to make a claim here if it was untrue... and also it's logical that Pw would dream of SpM, as he's this legendary 'Downer who hasn't played for ages...

[Inziladun]

I guess it's possible Pitch could be the Agent, but trusting him for now seems to be the logical thing to do. At least we'll have somthing concrete to go on toMorrow, one way or the other.

[Nerwen]

Well, then, it's now easy–

++The Saucepan Man.

EDIT:X'd with Legate and Inziladun.

[Brinniel]

While Nienna may have overreacted to a newbie's vote, I don't think it necessarily merits wolfish behaviour. It sometimes can be frustrating to be voted for bad reasoning, even if it is by a newbie.

As for wilwa's vote, I am a bit wary of anyone who is still eager to lynch Hakon so early in the game. While of course it is possible he's actually a wolf, too often he's been lynched early for his odd behaviour and turned out innocent. Surely those who've played with him have learned our lesson not to be so quick to vote him just for his weird behaviour. Hakon has poor reasoning for his vote and suspicions, but nothing he's said so far seems out-of-character to me.

As for those two non-reasoned votes I spoke of earlier, I won't vote Cray since he's new, but I've seen some good points about Loslote who seems to be contributing without saying much and will be watching her more closely.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I guess it's possible Pitch could be the Agent, but trusting him for now seems to be the logical thing to do. At least we'll have somthing concrete to go on toMorrow, one way or the other.

Eurgh. I haven't thought of that, but that would be probably the most brave move I've ever seen, especially also as the Agent would not know who the WWs are. So I wouldn't be worried (but you scared me here for a bit).

Who was the one shouting "we'll get a WW toDay we will we will!"? Speaking of that, even if it is so, we should not lay down and be happy. There are more about. *goes to check the thread for SpM's reactions to people - the sooner, the better*

[Nerwen]

I guess it's possible Pitch could be the Agent, but trusting him for now seems to be the logical thing to do.

He could be, but in that case why give himself away so early– and how could he know, so early in the game, that he's not getting a wolf lynched anyway?

EDIT:X'd since last post.

[Pitchwife]

You are? If so, I think your revealment was a bit premature.
Don't think the thought hasn't crossed my mind - but with a four-way tie between myself, two unknowns and a known wolf, what would you have done? If I have counted correctly, 11 out of 17 villagers have voted, and odds are some of the remaining at least may miss the DL. After the recent history of unlucky Day Ones, we can't afford to let this chance pass.

(Side-note to McCaber: Now I know how you felt back in Mnemo's game...)

[Lariren Shadow]

I'm...slightly weary of Pitch's reveal. While he probably was in fear of getting lynched if we still had the tie between the two votes Inzil would be gone. It just doesn't feel that right to me.

Blah, I'm up early and hungry.

Considering I was thinking of voting SPM toDay anyway I might. But I was also thinking of voting Hakon.

[Inziladun]

He could be, but in that case why give himself away so early– and how could he know, so early in the game, that he's not getting a wolf lynched anyway?

True. That's why I say let's go with it for now and see what happens with SPM.

[Roa_Aoife]

If Pitch is lying he obviously dies tomorrow. I don't think he would be- it's too early. I do think he panicked and revealed prematurely, but it's not unheard of for seers to do so.

I think the suspicion of Hakon has been played up way too much. I also think that we should consider the fact the SPM created a un-merited but seemingly sound case to try to sway the village towards lynching Loslote. The people keeping on about these things are suspicious. Unfortunately, past Pitch's reveal, the votes will mean next to nothing, especially the votes for SPM.

[A Little Green]

++ SpM

Worth a try, certainly. I lean towards trusting Pitchie (it would make sense, given that he was under threat of getting lynched himself and all that) and even if SpM was innocent we have a baddie toMorrow. In any case this is about the strongest reason for voting someone I've ever had on Day 1. :D

Other than that, I'm in a bit of a hurry, but I'll say that Crayon (love the name!!), Wilwa and Hakon lean innocent and that I'm keeping an eye on Nog (as always).

He looks fishy? And you roll your eyes?

Sure you're really blind?Hehe, I wondered whether anyone would get the joke... :D Yeah, but like I said I'll try to be more active in the future.

[Lariren Shadow]

++SPM

If he is a wolf, that will validate Pitch.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I have skimmed through previous pages and things concerning SpM, then I returned rather to see if anybody posts or anything... anyway, I sort of reconsidered and I think, while we can read it, we can keep our thoughts for toMorrow... because we won't have time to discuss that now anyway, while the WWs will have time during the Night to discuss and prepare arguments, and if they'd know exactly what the questions are going to be, they can prepare better, so let's not give them ideas.

Don't think the thought hasn't crossed my mind - but with a four-way tie between myself, two unknowns and a known wolf, what would you have done? If I have counted correctly, 11 out of 17 villagers have voted, and odds are some of the remaining at least may miss the DL. After the recent history of unlucky Day Ones, we can't afford to let this chance pass.

(Side-note to McCaber: Now I know how you felt back in Mnemo's game...)

Nay, I think it was a clever thing to do. Really there were many people to vote and this could have ended very randomly, so good what you did.

EDIT: x-ed since Lari

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I think the suspicion of Hakon has been played up way too much. I also think that we should consider the fact the SPM created a un-merited but seemingly sound case to try to sway the village towards lynching Loslote. The people keeping on about these things are suspicious. Unfortunately, past Pitch's reveal, the votes will mean next to nothing, especially the votes for SPM.

I agree - with both. (Or with all, respectively.) Well, let's see what toMorrow brings, and what we can consider.

[Brinniel]

I know for a fact The Saucepan Man is a wolf.
How? Well, guess!
I'm the Dreamer.
Okay, I believe you since I see absolutely no reason a baddie would false reveal at this point, but I still think it is rather premature to be revealing even if you have caught a wolf. For one thing, seers have been known to catch two wolves in the past, but revealing now severely limits that opportunity. Though I'm glad at least you waited until the end of the Day so that we'll still have plenty of posts to analyse toMorrow from before we knew Spm's role (and thus be more likely to find connections).


++Spm

Am I allowed to say I'm a bit sad to see him go so early, even if he is a wolf? I was just so excited to see him playing again for the first time in a long time. Oh well.

[Nerwen]

Don't think the thought hasn't crossed my mind - but with a four-way tie between myself, two unknowns and a known wolf, what would you have done?

Fair enough. I mean, we're going to need a gifted version of "Fenris Wolf", at the rate we've been lynching them on Day One.

I have skimmed through previous pages and things concerning SpM, then I returned rather to see if anybody posts or anything... anyway, I sort of reconsidered and I think, while we can read it, we can keep our thoughts for toMorrow... because we won't have time to discuss that now anyway, while the WWs will have time during the Night to discuss and prepare arguments, and if they'd know exactly what the questions are going to be, they can prepare better, so let's not give them ideas.

On the other hand, the Changed and the Dreamer might perhaps appreciate some suggestions.

EDIT:X'd with Brinniel.

[Pitchwife]

Thanks for your support, everybody - I guarantee you won't rue it.
Roa, point taken about my reveal making it impossible to draw conclusions from the votes that came after it, and sorry about that; but I've been lynched on Day 1 as a Seer before, and it would have sucked to go down with a known wolf surviving - or to let an innocent die instead, for that matter.
SpM, sorry for spoiling your stay in our lovely seaside resort - may we meet again in another life under friendlier auspices!

And now I'll retire and pray to the Powers That Be Under The Waves for another illuminating dream, trusting our Priest to act as his/her wisdom dictates...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

On the other hand, the Changed and the Dreamer might perhaps appreciate some suggestions.

That's true, though they can sure think for themselves... anyway our Day is gone now, so probably let's just trust their judgement (and to the powers laid upon them by the Ones from the Outside).

[Brinniel]

Well considering it has happened to you before, I can definitely understand why you'd be nervous. And we certainly don't want to lose yet another seer on Day One. Though I don't know how likely it was you would've actually been lynched. I just would've waited a tad longer for more votes to come in and have a better idea of how things might sway since as Roa said, any votes that came in after your reveal can't really be analysed. But like I said, at least we still have most of the Day One (and quite a few votes with that) to analyse.

[Nerwen]

That's true, though they can sure think for themselves... anyway our Day is gone now, so probably let's just trust their judgement (and to the powers laid upon them by the Ones from the Outside).

Well, it's not as though he left that many posts for them to go through.

EDIT:X'd with Brinn

[McCaber]

At the end of the first day, the villagers were convinced they had themselves a wolf. After all, had not Pitchwife spoken up about his dreams? And the Father Below is known to send true visions to his faithful. So the villagers gathered together into a mob and moved out towards the apartment of the Saucepan Man. Kitanna and wilwa led the way, and Craydon and Inziladun hammered down the door of the building. Nogrod was the first up the three flights of stairs, and the first one to notice the moon was beginning to rise. He paused at the door of the apartment.

It wasn't locked. The villagers quickly stormed in. Just past the door was the Saucepan Man himself, calmly leaning against a wall. "Well, it seems this city is faster than I thought. It won't stop anything, though." He stepped into the beam of silvery light and let out a howl as the transformation took place. Instinctively, everyone stepped back from his huge furry maw. Laughing loudly, with his distinctive pan still rakishly positioned on his head, he dove out of the window into the mob on the street.

However, he failed to notice that Pitchwife and Nerwen were placing a silver stake outside his window. Well, not so much a stake as a ... pipe of some sort. By some stroke of luck, the wayward piece of organ pierced his heart and he slid, transfixed, to the ground.

The Dead:
McCaber, town drunk and general layabout [mod]
Saucepan Man, disturbed and disturbing artist [werewolf]

The Living:
Inziladun, fisherman
Pitchwife, heretical organist
Loslote, humble seamstress
Hakon, Innsmouth denizen
wilwa, Innsmouth denizen
Nogrod, student of alternate cosmologies
Roa, Innsmouth physician (with everything that entails)
Craydon1, penniless drifter
Nienna, "innocent" child and meteorologist
Nerwen, last scion of a decadent dynasty
Legate, displaced scholar of the Pnakotic Shards
A Little Green, blind ex-soldier
Morsul, quiet librarian
Kitanna, Innsmouth denizen
Lairen Shadow, Innsmouth denizen
Brinn, Innsmouth denizen

IT IS NOW NIGHT TWO. WOLVES AND GIFTED, GIVE ME NAMES.

[McCaber]

The night was crisp and clear. Everyone went home to their beds a little happier; after all, had they not just shown themselves that a werewolf was no match for the native sons and daughters of Innsmouth?

A Little Green crawled back to her squalid flat. Tonight, just once, she felt that same sort of feeling, the good strong combat rush that carried her through the War. At least, until the mustard gas ended her part there pretty conclusively. Since then, she's been drifting back and forth across the coast waiting for something to happen. Innsmouth just sort of pulled her in a couple months back. She just belonged here.

Such were her thoughts when she fell asleep. Fitful dreams plagued her slumber, though. Greenie went back to that night when they broke into her trenches. That night too ran with blood. It was fast bayonet work, and not a little fearsome. She was just about to place the killing blow when a knock at her door forced her awake.

An ancient revolver appeared in her hand. "I can hear and smell you just fine. You should leave now."

"Leave? But we haven't even begun?" a growling voice replied. "See, now you killed our brother. So this is personal. Sorry."

Two shots quickly rang out. The second being began to laugh. "What did you think that would accomplish? You didn't even use silver!"

They closed in on the cot, and it was all over but the screaming.

The Dead:
McCaber, town drunk and general layabout [mod]
Saucepan Man, disturbed and disturbing artist [werewolf]
A Little Green, blind ex-soldier [ordinary villager]

The Living:
Inziladun, fisherman
Pitchwife, heretical organist
Loslote, humble seamstress
Hakon, Innsmouth denizen
wilwa, Innsmouth denizen
Nogrod, student of alternate cosmologies
Roa, Innsmouth physician (with everything that entails)
Craydon1, penniless drifter
Nienna, "innocent" child and meteorologist
Nerwen, last scion of a decadent dynasty
Legate, displaced scholar of the Pnakotic Shards
Morsul, quiet librarian
Kitanna, Innsmouth denizen
Lairen Shadow, Innsmouth denizen
Brinn, Innsmouth denizen

DAY 2. YOU MAY BEGIN POSTING.

[Lariren Shadow]

I'm honestly not going to be around a lot toDay but if I get time I'm going to go over Greenie's posts, see if there is anything there.

And SPM was a wolf. Seems to confirm Pitch.

[Craydon1]

Poor Green. As for Pitch, have any interesting dreams last night? And I promise to get some sort of justification for my votes from now on. I claim newb status on that one.

[wilwarin538]

Greenie's posts, I don't think I missed any.

Hello friends! I am here, obviously I have not much to say except that SPM looks disturbing and Inziladun looks fishy, and that's about the worst joke ever and not even new. I find it sort of funny that the posts this far have been pretty much people repeating and repeating that we have to be active and contributing. Of course there is the basic Day 1 problem of where to start the discussion in the first place.

As for what comes to taking or not taking kindly to people who are quiet, well, we're back to the traditional loud-quiet debate, and I stand where I always do: different people play with different styles, and I know of no one who would have the authority to define what is enough contribution and what isn't. Still, I don't of course cherish the kind of "pop in, vote, disappear" -tactic unless you're really really busy, and I think everyone should contribute as much as they can. Some people just have less to say (like me), a briefer way of phrasing their thoughts, or less time on their hands. Those, I think, should not be reasons for not taking kindly to people. Making no effort, on the other hand, should.


EDIT: x-ed with Lari!!! I x-ed with someone! Wonderful!

Exactly. I think we often forget that it's actually possible to lynch a wolf on Day 1. We easily fall into thinking that Day 1 is a hopeless case and that we're bound to lynch an innocent (or the Seer). That, of course, is a most unhelpful attitude. We definitely have a chance of catching a wolf toDay and we should not forget that.

I'm here and reading, have less time than I thought so I'll probably have to suffer SPM and Nogrod's wrath and be very inactive toDay. :(

++ SpM

Worth a try, certainly. I lean towards trusting Pitchie (it would make sense, given that he was under threat of getting lynched himself and all that) and even if SpM was innocent we have a baddie toMorrow. In any case this is about the strongest reason for voting someone I've ever had on Day 1. :D

Other than that, I'm in a bit of a hurry, but I'll say that Crayon (love the name!!), Wilwa and Hakon lean innocent and that I'm keeping an eye on Nog (as always).

Hehe, I wondered whether anyone would get the joke... :D Yeah, but like I said I'll try to be more active in the future.

Gonna go catch up on everything else now. Maybe collect all of SPM's posts.

[Inziladun]

I'm honestly not going to be around a lot toDay but if I get time I'm going to go over Greenie's posts, see if there is anything there.

And SPM was a wolf. Seems to confirm Pitch.

I'd say Pitch is in the good books for sure. I'm anxious to see what his dream may have revealed. I'm afraid his time is likely short, but he should at least be able to give us a known innocent.
I didn't see much from Greenie that stood out to me, but I'll have a look at her posts too.

EDIT-x'd with Wilwa, who's pulled them up

[Roa_Aoife]

Alright, having looked at Greenie's posts, she didn't say much, had no stated suspicions, and only voted for SPM after Pitchwife came forward. I think this has to be chalked up to a safety kill. They couldn't go for Pitch because he'd almost certainly be protected, so they picked as trailess a kill as possible.

I will have some insight on SPM and his statements in a little bit. I am also waiting for Pitchwife. Even if the person you dreamed of innocent, it will at least give us a known innocent in the village.

Edit: Crossed

[wilwarin538]

Here are Wolfy Saucie's posts.

Ai! Ai!


Mighty Cthulhu arsing imperiously from the depths of the ocean to crush the empires of man.
Hordes of Byakhee descending from blood red skies to torment the gibbering wrecks below.
The bewildering angles and unnerving pyramids and domes of the Great City of Celeano.
Tentacles slithering in the shadows of the forest as the dread Black Goat of the Woods stirs in her slumber.
The mind numbing sight of Lost R’lyeh rising from the waves.
The madness inspired by dreams of Azathoth.

These things I have seen, experienced, painted. But Werewolves …? Who ever heard of such a thing? In Innsmouth?

But, who have we here?

Inziladun – I don’t like the look of the scales and webbed fingers. There’s certainly something fishy about him.
Pitchwife – A heretic, yes. But a Werewolf? Well, as far as I know there have been no Werewolves in Innsmouth before, so they’re kind of heretical.
Loslote – Humble? By day maybe. But fanged and hairy by night, quite possibly.
Hakon – Simply a denizen? A man of mystery, more like. Definitely suspicious.
wilwarin – Another denizen? Perhaps that’s two out of the three?
Nogrod – One who studies planets … and moons. Full moons, perhaps?
Roa – A physician? Someone who has knowledge of diseases. Like lyncanthrope, maybe? And wasn’t there something about entrails too …?
Craydon1 – Penniless he may be. But fangless? I wonder.
Nienna – Claims that she’s innocent. That’s a dead give away. Claims to be able to predict the weather too. Aren’t canine beasts known for doing the same?
Nerwen – No wonder that she’s the last scion. All that wolfish night time activity gets in the way of the getting of heirs, I am sure.
Legate – Displaced, eh? Like a Werewolf when in wolf form. No idea what Pnakotic Shards are but they sound sharp. Like claws.
A Little Green – Blind, so clearly relies on her sense of smell. Just like … you guessed it … a wolf.
Morsul – Quiet? But what about after he has locked up the library for the night? Maybe that’s when he gets loud and howly and growly.
Kitanna – Another denizen. Third of the mysterious ones. Third of the Werewolves perhaps?
Lairen Shadow – One more person of mystery. Hmm. Ah, I have it! The Agent no doubt, sent to expose our secrets.
Brinniel – Oh, another denizen. I am out of bad guys. But maybe that’s what she wants me to think ...

On a more serious note, I am expecting everyone to play their full part toDay (and, indeed, every Day). When it comes to voting, we won’t have a lot to go on. But we’ll have even less if people don’t speak up, play their part, make their opinions known. I hereby give warning that I shall not take kindly to those who seek to hide in the quiet shadows of the thread.

So, when I get back, I expect to have lots to review.

Aye. Disturbed that nearly half of the village has not yet spoken. And disturbing? Yes, I plan on causing much disturbance to the Wolves in our midst.

Back shortly ...

Not a lot to go on, my dear cosmologist, no. Thus far, everyone seems a bit cagey as if afraid to put a foot (or a fin ... or even a paw perhaps) wrong. But there are a few things that have caught my attention.


I am also aware that scales and webbed hands may hide fur and claws. A perfect disguise, surely, in a village such as this. And yet you seem rather eager to defend Inzil and accuse me, Pitchwife. Did I perhaps hit a raw nerve in my random burblings?

What else would I mean? And what a strange comment. I am not quite sure what to make of it, but I will be keeping an eye on you.

Just to be clear. I was not suggesting that we should lynch people for their playing style. I was (and am) saying that I will have no patience for those who look like they are trying to lay low to avoid attention.

Quite so. And its the latter types that I will have no truck with.

Yes, good work and all that, Noggie old chap. And yet, you have simply given a reason for suspecting everyone who has posted thus far. Which might in itself be considered Wolfish behaviour, as you are seen to be making accusations (not 'nice' behaviour, to use your phrase) while remaining entirely non-committal (as between those you have discussed) at the same time.

But this I agree with. It is in a Wolf's interests to appear reasonable and helpful, to align itself with the majority, and to avoid drawing to much attention to itself.

Heh heh. I think that we ought perhaps to credit the poor departed mod with a little more sense. Not that I would discount Nienna from consideration of course. Her one contribution thus far was very 'nice', as Noggie puts it.

Don't worry Morsul, you haven't voted yet. Voting is done in a particular way, with double plus signs and in bold type, as follows:

++Name of person you are voting for

I presume that votes should be in bold and don't need to be highlighted in red, as there is nothing that they need be distinguished from.

And there was me thinking that you would vote for whoever looks least suspicious to you ... :p ;)

Actually, I think wilwa has it about right. Barring any major slip-ups from the Wolves, Day 1 votes are pretty much random, whatever reasons people might come up with. Except the Wolves' votes, of course. And that is one of the main reasons why what happens on Day 1 can be so useful on Day 2. Which reminds me. Let's try to avoid any major Day 1 bandwagons, shall we? They are terribly dangerous things and they make it much easier for the Wolves to hide their votes.

Edit: Crossed with Morsul. Now I don't know whether you have voted or not ...

Morsul, old chap, I'll put this down to WWn00byness too, but it is generally considered very bad form in Werewolf games to edit the content of one's posts in any major way. The reason being that a Wolf could otherwise use the edit function to hide its tracks. You can edit to correct something minor like a typo which doesn't affect the content or to indicate where you have cross-posted with someone but, if you do, you should always give the reason for the edit.

If you need to explain something in a previous post, or add to it, or anything like that, then you should put it in a new post.

I'm off to paint something dark, glistening and tentacled. I'll be back later in the Day.

My masterpiece is complete! I am back!



So first Pitchwife defends you and now you seem to be defending him? Is there some kind of a conection between the two of you? Probably too obvious, but I am bearing it in mind. I disagree with others that Pitchwife has been overly agreeable. Au contraire, I found him unduly hostile in his first post, singling out for comment my words on him and Inzil from the flim-flammery that I posted. Maybe it was to provoke discussion, so I shall reserve judgment for now.

Hmm, unlike others, I am not sure what answering this question is going to tell anyone. For, what it’s worth, I was in my attic studio painting yet another masterpiece, a depiction of the windowless obsidian towers of Yuggoth. Of course, like everyone else, I can produce no witness to confirm my alibi, so where does that get us?

You see, I just don’t get this. A Wolf and an innocent will both approach the question in exactly the same way. Both will be making up something based upon their stated role. I actually preferred Craydon’s other suggestion – that we say who we would kill if we were Wolves – or I would, but for the fact that it may give the Wolves ideas. Still, I suppose it has got people talking, which is no bad thing in itself.

Morsul’s vote was based on invalid criteria, that much is clear. I’m putting that down to his newbie status, for now at least. But equally, I do not begrudge Nienna a little anger at receiving toDay’s first vote based on invalid criteria. I see nothing unusual in it and, indeed, I am more alarmed about those who have sought to make more of it than it merits (yes, I’m looking at you Legate and Nogrod).

I didn’t like Craydon’s vote either, being as it was totally unsupported by any reasoning. But as he’s a newbie, in these parts at least, I shall give him a break too for toDay.

Hehe. My reputation is for others to judge, but ‘awesome’ is not exactly a word I would ever use to describe myself, either in relation to my Werewolf prowess or otherwise. :D Like others, I do not consider Hakon’s reasons for suspecting me and for voting for Inzil to be valid. I am not sure that this alone points to him being a Wolf, though. In fact, I think that a Wolf is far more likely to come up with some kind of an in-game reason to justify its vote.

Hmm, now that’s much better reasoning, Morsul. And a good point to boot.

However, there is one person who is worrying me more than any other at the moment. Loslote posted a few times, but with little to say, early in the Day. Then (at #58 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=613119&postcount=58)), she sets out her thoughts on everyone in the village. Only it doesn’t really say very much at all. Indeed, if I am honest, it is a masterpiece of non-committal. For each villager, she either says they might be a Wolf or they might not, or she has nothing to say about them. She even tries to excuse her suspicion of her lynch candidate du jour, Pitchwife:

So, just like practically everyone else on your list, he might be a Wolf but he might not be, but you’re going to vote for him anyway. Why him in particular? The vote ends up being very unreasoned. Overall, Loslote’s activity comes across to me as typically Wolfish. Posting a fair bit to show she’s engaged, trying to look helpful, but actually avoiding saying very much of anything at all.

I thought that my meaning was fairly obvious. I find it a strange basis upon which to suspect someone, and so I remain wary of you.

I am currently wary of Pitchwife, Inzil, Larien and Nerwen, for the reasons stated above. But my main suspect by far is Loslote, on account of her unnervingly Wolfish behaviour. And, since I am not sure whether I will be have a chance to get back before the Day is out:

++Loslote

really going to catch up now, then there shall be some substantial comments from me.

[Nienna]

Pitchie: I'm really sorry about suspecting you. I had no real suspects and had to leave early and you felt a bit off to me. Now I know why...

I wonder why Greenie. Always the possibility of a no trail kill... or it could be maybe they thought she was the ranger... thoughts?

Edit: x-ed with a bunch

[Inziladun]

I wonder why Greenie. Always the possibility of a no trail kill... or it could be maybe they thought she was the ranger... thoughts?

I'd lean more toward the lack of a trail. I just don't see anything else.

[Kitanna]

Morsul, Nogrod, Wilwa, Pitchie, Loslote, Craydon, Inzil, Larien and Nerwen all are players SpM mentioned beyond his first in character post. I think that's everyone at least. In his vote post he mentioned being wary of Pitchwife, Inzil, Larien and Nerwen, and in the end voted for Loslote.

Now since it was only Day 1 I wonder how much distant he would have put between himself and the other wolves. I'm going to believe Pitchwife is telling us the truth because I doubt a baddie would do a false reveal so early, especially with only mediocre suspicion around them. So that leaves Inzil, Larien, Loslote, and Nerwen as SpM suspects. Based on SpM's vote I'm the least wary of Loslote. However, I'm going to go check out their posts, as well as the posts of the other people SpM mentioned in seriousness.

As for Greenie she was probably a no trace kill.

Ok off to review some posts.

[wilwarin538]

Okay, but THAT screams "wolf" to me. Because really. I completely disagree with what Hakon did (and I said so), but then, if you try to think of it deeper... Would Hakon do such a thing as a Wolf? Or, is it any indication of his wolfishness? Also, like I said, I can well imagine even innocent Hakon being so "rude" and vote in the way he did. Also, what is the Wolves' purpose? It's to find a person whom the others suspect and vote for him/her as well, in order to hide in the crowd, or to find somebody to whom they can draw the suspicion of other villagers. But would what Hakon just did be a good opportunity to find a target for the village? I doubt it. I doubt Hakon-Wolf could have hoped for getting Inzil lynched by saying what he did. These were no reasons which would create a bandwagon.
But voting for Hakon at the moment when it seems that there is a good point to catch on, now that is what wilwa does. And that actually looks like a good start of a bandwagon, indeed! That's why it screams wolfy to me. And anyway, wilwa, if you are accusing Hakon of having bad logic and that he should be better, look at your own vote for him. "I don't like him" is about as bad logic as Hakon uses. No, really. You are either being hypocritical, or being a Wolf.


"I don't like him" because of his bad logic. I think that's fairly logical. I came on yesterday expecting to do a random vote cause it was still fairly early and I hadn't yet seen anyone suspicious, but I saw the "Inzil's been a wolf so many times he might be now too" and found it to be the most suspicious thing so far, therefore I voted for him. Better then a random vote, which is what it would have been otherwise.

And I suggested everyone say something (whether it was substantial or not) I didn't mean everyone should post 20 random times and talk about tuna fish and unicorns, I meant that they could post atleast once and simply agree/disagree or re-state stuff and that would be better then nothing. [/defence]

You think I don't know that? I would have preferred to handle this more subtly, if I could, but just so we don't mess up:
I know for a fact The Saucepan Man is a wolf.
How? Well, guess!
I'm the Dreamer.

Initially I thought this seemed a bit premature, cause he was not guaranteed to get lynched (heck, it probably would have been me). But I can see why he'd do this, everything happens so fast at the end of the Day that waiting may have made it too late for him. So good job Pitch! Really curious to know who you dreamt of.

I agree that Greenie was probably just a no-trail kill. Nothing really stands out from her posts. Since the Dreamer was already out in the open the wolves didn't have to worry about trying to catch him, so a no-trail is the next best thing.

I gotta get some studying done (exam tomorrow) and then get off to class, but I'll be back in a few hours and will post a list or something.

x'ed with Kit

[Roa_Aoife]

SPM throws serious suspicion at Pitchwife (who we know to be innocent) and Loslote. I highly doubt that SPM would seriously try to lynch a fellow wolf so early in the game. It’s simply not his style.

He throws somewhat serious suspicion towards Inzil based on a supposed connection with Pitch, which we know to be false. This could be either another attempt to throw suspicion on an innocent, or an attempt to distance himself from a fellow wolf and set up another play. In the event that Inzil got lynched (he was in the lead at this point) and turned out to be a wolf, make it easier to kill Pitch whom SPM would have known to be innocent.

He throws mild but not serious suspicion at Nogrod, but it has little merit. Could be an attempt to distance himself from fellow wolves. He does so again later, this time adding in Legate. So he “suspects” Nogrod but not strongly.

He attempts to build a strong case against Loslote which some people do in fact bite onto. I think it’s safe to leave Loslote for now. He also says he suspects Nerwen and Larien, but I can’t find his reason for doing so.

SPM probably threw mild suspicion onto one wolf and completely ignored the other. In this case, it would make Inzil, Nogrod, Nerwen, and Larien as people to be looked at. Based solely on SPM's posts, Nogrod is the most suspicious, but I intentionally ignored him on Day 1 so as to not get drawn into a clash and waste the village's time. I will look at him more closely now that I have a reason for doing so.

[Kitanna]

Inzil
Post 1: In character
Post 2: Comments on a post made by Greenie. Mentions there is a difference between playing style and a "a non-entity that slips quietly through the cracks"
Post 4: Thinks Nogrod and SpM overreacted to Pitchwife's first post.
Post 5: Comments on Craydon's idea of asking questions of the village.
Post 7: Comments on Hakon's vote. Mentions SpM, but it looks like this is only an example of not using meta-game voting.
Post 8: Throws some suspicion Loslote's way. Also he mentions Nienna's reaction to Morsul's vote as seeming a bit odd. Decides to stay away from Craydon based on newness and Hakon for being his usual self.
Post 10: Asks Pitchie if revelation was a bit premature.
Post 11: Votes SpM
Post 12: Says Pitchie could be the agent, but decides whatever happens on Day 1 will give us something for Day 2.
The posts I left out weren't anything of real interest, mostly just quick responses to this or that.
In conclusions, Inzil doesn't seem good or bad either way. He voted like everyone else did after the reveal so there's nothing to go on there. He mentioned all three of the knowns (SpM, Greenie, and Pitchie), but didn't really say much about any of them. As far as I can tell Inzil didn't really find anyone suspcious, though he did have a few things to say about Loslote and Nienna, but none of that suggested he'd have voted for them yesterday.

Lariren
Post 1: Mostly Day 1 jabber. Agrees we should stay positive about catching a wolf that day.
Post 2: Puts a little suspicion out there on SpM, suggesting he could have been trying to hint to the wolves to "play their parts". Suggests Hakon may be trying to throw off suspicion by throwing it on SpM. Questions Loslote's jump on Craydon's idea.
Post 3: Vote count, lists suspects. Loslote, Hakon, SPM, and Brinn make her need watching list. Wilwa alone falls in the "keep them around" list.
Post 4: Explains what she meant about keeping Wilwa around, wanted to say seems innocent in a new way. Mentions Nienna's reaction to her vote, but doesn't find it anything special. Another vote count.
Post 5: Wary of Pitchie's reveal, says she'll vote SpM or possibly Hakon.
To me Lariren seems a bit more dodgy than Inzil, but not by a lot. In her list she says who she wants to watch and why, but doesn't say much else about what she thinks. Her vote for SpM isn't a surprise and I think she might have voted that way regardless of the reveal.

That's what I have time for now. ToDay is a bad day for me because of work. I'll be around for an hour or so in a few hours then I'll reappear once more about four hours before DL. I'll finish my looks into those SpM suspected and talked about later.

[Inziladun]

As far as I can tell Inzil didn't really find anyone suspcious, though he did have a few things to say about Loslote and Nienna, but none of that suggested he'd have voted for them yesterday.

Actually, until Pitch's reveal, I have to say I was leaning toward Loslote. I didn't like her vote for Pitch, as it seemed to me she was simply grasping at the comments made by SPM and Nog (that I had noted earlier I thought were overreactions on their parts), and using them to justify her suspicion of Pitch.

[Pitchwife]

Good morning, fellow citizens! Cthulhu smiled on us yesterDay, but last Night the waters of my dreams were cloudy as far as the scrying of wolves is concerned. I can identify an innocent, but unfortunately that will not help us much, as the wolves have revealed her role before me. In other words, Greenie was my dream (because she really fooled me last time around, I have a bad habit of not looking at her closely enough, and she hadn't posted much to judge her from otherwise).
Unfortunately, it looks like I won't be able to help Innsmouth much more except by ordinary guesswork - unless the Priest pulled off a daring gamble last Night and refrained from protecting me. Makes me have second thoughts about that early reveal now... but it can't be helped.

[Pitchwife]

While I'm talking - I'm not sure how much we'll gain from The Saucepan Wolf's posts. I reckon he'd be cunning enough not to implicate his packmates in any obvious way, and I wouldn't put it beyond him to passingly suspect, or even vote, one of them. His vote for Lottie surely makes her look innocent for now, but it's not conclusive evidence.
I highly doubt that SPM would seriously try to lynch a fellow wolf so early in the game.
In my eyes, giving somebody a single vote without a solid case behind it long before DL doesn't exactly amount to 'seriously trying to lynch' her; but I suppose you're more familiar with SpM's style than I am. If we only consider her own posts, Lottie looks unsuspicious enough to me.

[Nienna]

Nog analysis:

Note: I've had to remove the smilies as one isn't allowed to post more than 3 in one post.

That is an interesting concept for the new cosmology... we may need to study that further...

Well, of course you don't as no one has done anything.

So think of a detective.... How does one get to start making conclusions? Well, when there is data to build the deductions on. And are there any right now? No.

It's so sad a student of parallel universes has to tell you this universe is dull and void...

And without meaning.

Unless we find some. Let me see...

First post… wants to find some data to build suspicion on

Let's take the infamous rule that one of the first posters is a wolf as they have a desire to be active...So SPaM, Pitchie, Inzil, Loslote...?

I would be surpriesed indeed if one of them was not a wolf but then again being among the first ones to post should not be a reason to lynch anyone on any Day as such.

Anyway, shouldn't you guys be able to make even one case against someone so that we could get actually started?


Let me show you an example at this time of the Day... (sad it is but it's something compared to what you have done this far)

SPM is just so nice (and a perfect cover making that funny list and all) - but as he has not been around for years I would not like to suggest lynching him toDay on that... Be there real reasons it'd be different.

I get a bit disturbing feeling from Pitchie's first post. It feels like he tries to look like a critical and autonomous person but still rubbing Spm the right way... Also the way he praises Greenie for great points looks more like trying to make friends than actually giving a verdict on something to the benefit of the townsfolk. So slightly worrying.

Inzil manages to post thrice to say nothing in particular. Suspicious.

Loslote looks either lost (with time?) or just pure evil. Nienna looks no better...

But Wilwa then? All the showed optimism and the explanations of not being around all the time... Just what a wolf would write... keeping up appearances, you know?

Lari I'm a bit baffled about as she says basically the same the others before her but I'm not as suspicious of her. Maybe that means she actually is a baddie?

I always suspect Greenie - and she is always a bad girl! Now this much praised talk of the general terms is just what an intelligent wolf would do. Stay on the abstract level and speak of things people would like to hear and agree on. The most basic wolf-tactics...

Legate seems a bit disinterested as well. Nothing to go for without some toil, sure but maybe he's being too easy?

The thing fitting for every wolf: the more we just keep on saying "hi there, nice to meet you" or "let's kill the bastards"; or taking the meta-level in the beginning like "the quiet ones can be productive / should be lynched immediately"; or just plain refusing to "open the game" with any suspicions...

So let's do the town a favour and not lynch the controversial people but a nice one.

The wolwes need to be nice, we don't. The wolves don't need to find the culprits, we have to do that.

They can rub you the right way anyrime, we can't afford that with anyone.

Think about that unless you had more important things to think about...

This post is interesting. He makes comments about early posters and it actually turned out that the first person to post was a wolf. I’m not really sure why he brought that up as it doesn’t seem like a point most people find serious… maybe he had insider knowledge?

The rest of the post is basically a normal Nog rant about killing the quiet ones.

Why wouldn't you do it Wilwa?

And I actually mean it whatever your role is. If you get lynched early because of what you say but thus help us others to spot a wolf you'll be a hero. So be brave and open your mind! Why can't you?

And anyway, why will not everyone say things aloud?

Okay the first posters are a thing in themselves as there is nothing to build any opinios on but already now I think there is a lot to be said (which I have kind of tried to exemplify in my last post).

So there are no more excuses to say just "hello", "have a good Day" or "let's get those bastards"...

That's like over and done with.

It would be much better if you actually said something yourself and not just called for others to say something - as reasonable as that call is in itself.

The wolves love to take that kind of a posture: say what is wise but not expose their own necks to actually do that which they think the others should do...

Okay. Sleep for me as well now but I'll be back later in the Day...

Reaffirms points from his last post, challenges Wilwa to actually say something controversial that may expose a wolf. He keeps saying things like this but then doesn’t really say anything controversial of his own…

Exactly. Although it should be added that it's difficult, or probably even impossible , to ignore all the meta-reasons one has for suspecting people on Day1. But it's a different thing to have suspicions based on some meta-reasons than to try and argue for ones votes with them.

Like I just can't help it that because Greenie has so totally fooled me a few times lately and I have the feeling she's always a baddie it makes me suspect her also on this Day. Or if I thought the mod had made a slip in the narration I couldn't help that thought affecting my suspicions, but I couldn't argue my "case" based on that slip as it would be kind of "unsporty" (some of you might remember Glirdan's game where he slipped the gender of the last wolf in the narration that one being the only one of that sex left).

So let's try not to suspect people based on meta-reasons and at least not use them as arguments...


Okay. Off with the meta-reason discussion with me.

I need to make a pie for the girls but I will think while doing it. But just from the last posts a few little things...

Somehow the way how Lari makes her comment on wilwa strikes me: It may be that she just wished to express herself differently (there are many of whom she says only "seems innocent" or "pretty innocent looking" etc.). But of wilwa she says that we should keep her around with actual backing / arguments for why she thinks so. And I think there had been some suspicions raised on wilwa, so that would fit "nicely" ...

Secondly I do share Legate's concern on Nienna. The way she reacted to one badly backed vote early in the voting really looks like she felt the whole village was after her. And that's something the wolves tend to feel more easily than innocents.

EDIT: X'd with wilwa

Doesn’t want to use meta game reasons for suspicion, begins to find me suspicious because I defended myself against Morsul’s vote. This seems like a timid latch onto Legate’s suspicion maybe to see if it would lead to my lynching…

It's interesting you say that you think that those who see Nienna's reactions to a first vote of the Day as over-nervous á la wolves are suspicious but then base your own vote on something as solid as what you say in the quote above...

Wouldn't this quote of yours describe also your vote and your reasons for it?


Okay. Yes, there's very little to go on as usual on Day1 and we all have to find whatever there could be to help us in our judgements. I think you Spm are reading way too much in Loslote's indecisiveness and I see more merit in the fact that Nienna reacted so strongly on the vote on her. I don't think either is a good "case" in any way but both are better than nothing.

But are they or either of them correct arguments? That's the tough one...

EDIT: X'd with Roa

Wolf on wolf with SPM and Nog?... I don’t know…

Okay.

Apart from Nienna I seem to have only one decent pair of candidates which is Lari and wilwa - and I need to run for the choir rehearsals in a moment.

Now I see many people have raised concerns with wilwa but just suggesting that people should talk a lot even if they don't have a lot to say is not the greatest possible argument against her. Actually it doesn't make her look guilty in any way. But the sudden defence of her by Lari (with actual points why - which she gave practically of none else) when some suspicion started to emerge raises my eyebrows to be sure.

I just saw Nienna's post and am not sure what to say of it. Her explanation feels genuinish but it reminds me of yet one thing that looked so overdefensive about her, eg. quoting herself in the admin. thread before the roles were dealt. If that is not over-defensive then what is?

And I am a bit confused about her vote as well...

Bah. Needs to vote now.

++ Nienna


EDIT: X'd with Kit

He votes for me even though he thought my explanation was genuinish, but then said that I was over defensive and apparently that makes me a wolf. This seems like a pretty good way to start a bandwagon.

In summary I think Nog is one of the more suspicious people toDay.

[Pitchwife]

And stating the obvious, Roa looks pretty good up to now. She was quite energetic in her suspicion of SpM and the only one who voted him before I revealed.
Among those who voted after said reveal, Lari is the only one who had voiced suspicion of SpM earlier and, as Kit points out, might have voted him anyway. Looks good as well.

[Nienna]

And stating the obvious, Roa looks pretty good up to now. She was quite energetic in her suspicion of SpM and the only one who voted him before I revealed.
Among those who voted after said reveal, Lari is the only one who had voiced suspicion of SpM earlier and, as Kit points out, might have voted him anyway. Looks good as well.

I don't know as I would write off either Roa or Lari based on their SPM suspicions just yet. Especially Roa as before you revealed it didn't seem likely that people would vote for SPM if only because he has just returned to WW. A wolf might think that suspecting him would take the heat off of them if he was found out a wolf exactly like you are doing now. I'm not saying that they are in any way guilty but I don't know as I would say that their suspicion of SPM makes them innocent either.

[Pitchwife]

Nienna, point taken - but 'looks good' is not a synonym for 'is innocent', it just means 'looks more unsuspicious than suspicious to me until further evidence'.
I was about to give Nog bonus points, too, for commenting on the infirmity of SpM's 'case' against Lottie, but now you mention it, his wavering in the question of your over-defensiveness seems noteworthy.

[Pitchwife]

Where is everybody? I haven't got all day, and that Zann toccata's waiting for me; if nobody's talking, I'll go on working on that for a while, hoping to finish the transcription while I'm alive. Back in a couple of hours.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hello, fellow villagers! Yog-Sothoth!

Okay, let's see now. As for what happened, I would say the death of Greenie is very, very probably a no-track kill. Unless the WWs are really good in reading minds and it was there to intercept the Dreamer's dream, which I doubt, though.

"I don't like him" because of his bad logic. I think that's fairly logical. I came on yesterday expecting to do a random vote cause it was still fairly early and I hadn't yet seen anyone suspicious, but I saw the "Inzil's been a wolf so many times he might be now too" and found it to be the most suspicious thing so far, therefore I voted for him. Better then a random vote, which is what it would have been otherwise.
Okay, fair enough, I see the point now. Does not call back watching you, but point taken...

As for SpM, though...
SPM throws serious suspicion at Pitchwife (who we know to be innocent) and Loslote. I highly doubt that SPM would seriously try to lynch a fellow wolf so early in the game. It’s simply not his style.
I think so too. Actually, as far as I can recall, it would really seem SpM-ish to me that he would mention one of his fellows, and that's about it. And he would not even need to suspect him, necessarily. I think he is usually not the type to do that, not that early anyway. So basically, what Roa said. Which, by the way, makes me think good of her, as it looks like genuine reasoning (unless they are culprits and are diverting our attention, of course, but I don't think so now).

As for the people SpM posted about. Loslote then is very likely clear for me. I don't know that much about Inzil, but I must confess I haven't been paying that much attention to him, so I may as well start to do it now and get a better picture of him anyway. As for Lari's interaction with SpM (especially such as on the second page), well, I must say I was slightly suspicious of Lari by the end of yesterDay, after looking at SpM's posts, but on the other hand, orchestrating a Wolf-on-Wolf suspicion on such a weird comment, like saying that SpM is an Agent... unless it would be a deliberate way of creating a "shield" to defend SpM in the future (the Wolves could then say "hey yes, he is suspicious, but he's likely just an Agent, so let's not waste a lynch on him"). But for some reason that sounds to me quite too much complicated plan, which I don't think the Wolves would pull so soon.

Oh, by the way. We have an Agent here. Let's not forget it. He could make a lot of mess. Just to keep it in mind.

Well, I am not sure if I will be around now, it's rather late here, though I will be certainly (or hope I will be) more active tomorrow, that is, in some ten hours... or maybe a bit more, not to be too optimistic. Or maybe I'll pop in yet now, and be around for a while.

[Hakon]

It is good that the wolves did not go after Pitchwife last night since I now for a fact that the ranger did not protect him. Yes my fellow villagers, I am the ranger. I will however protect Pitchwife tonight. I am stating this since I feel like I might end up a lynch target because I once again have to vote early. I also want to add I knew SPM was a wolf. I called it on that one. Sorry for the bragging.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

It is good that the wolves did not go after Pitchwife last night since I now for a fact that the ranger did not protect him. Yes my fellow villagers, I am the ranger. I will however protect Pitchwife tonight. I am stating this since I feel like I might end up a lynch target because I once again have to vote early. I also want to add I knew SPM was a wolf. I called it on that one. Sorry for the bragging.

Okay, after seeing this, well I had to calm down a bit before actually writing this post (and I suggest to everybody to do the same). Okay, after thinking about it a bit: I don't think that it was a wise thing to just reveal, Hakon. At least I didn't think of lynching you at all. But whatever. I must say, it seems like Hakon to do something like that, but it's slightly crazy. And confusing. Whatever.

Anyway, now certainly this is a thing people are going to react to, but, let me strongly emphasise now, let's not spend all Day on one thing. A pre-emptive warning, because I can already imagine it. Anyway, as for that, Priest or whatnot, I don't think I am going to vote for Hakon. It would be certainly very very nice, anyway, if Pitchwife can get another dream. With some better luck this time, and picking somebody whom the WWs won't target.

And as my thoughts are in a bit of a disarray now (understandable, also given the late hour), I may have yet a word or two even on the abovementioned issue, after I sleep on it a bit. So anyway, read you probably in several hours, fellow villagers. :rolleyes:

"Slumber, watcher, till the Spheres/Six and twenty thousand years/Have revolv'd, and I return/To the spot where now I burn..."

*disappears Beyond the Wall of Sleep*

[Morsul the Dark]

Wow I missed a lot Especially Pitch Revealing himself as the seer, Here's why that's suspicious to me, because I'm the dreamer I'm thinking Pitch revealed either to save himself from lynching or more likely to get in our good graces by giving up one of his fellow wolfs... If that's the case then Brinn is highly suspect too. Look how quickly she accepted his deception.

Although Nerwen is still fairly suspect very bandwagondish, though maybe not wolfish. By the way he drew a lot of interest yesterday so I checked out Inzil he's clear.

Although I won't vote in my first post this time I'd like to point out Pitch fooled us once let's be weary of any suggestions he has. I mean Come on he "dreamed" about the person was kill conveniently unhelpful isn't it?

Edit: Crossed with Legate

[Inziladun]

It is good that the wolves did not go after Pitchwife last night since I now for a fact that the ranger did not protect him. Yes my fellow villagers, I am the ranger. I will however protect Pitchwife tonight. I am stating this since I feel like I might end up a lynch target because I once again have to vote early. I also want to add I knew SPM was a wolf. I called it on that one. Sorry for the bragging.

Protect Pitch tonight and give him one more dream. Let's hope it's a good one toNight.
I'll say nothing about your reveal in itself, save for the fact that you certainly should only have done this if you were in serious danger of being lynched. And yes, indeed you were right about SPM. I still don't endorse the thought process that led you to your conclusion though.

EDIT- Just noticed Morsul! What!?!

[Hakon]

If you are the dreamer, then who did you dream about? Enlighten us.

[Inziladun]

Morsul, if I was your dream one Night, who was your other?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

*returns promptly as even before closing the thread itself, some coruscations of demon light appeared in here*

Wow I missed a lot Especially Pitch Revealing himself as the seer, Here's why that's suspicious to me, because I'm the dreamer I'm thinking Pitch revealed either to save himself from lynching or more likely to get in our good graces by giving up one of his fellow wolfs... If that's the case then Brinn is highly suspect too. Look how quickly she accepted his deception.

Although Nerwen is still fairly suspect very bandwagondish, though maybe not wolfish. Btw he drew a lot of interest yesterday so I checked out Inzil he's clear.

Although I won't vote in my first post this time I'd like to point out Pitch fooled us once let's be weary of any suggestions he has. I mean Come on he "dreamed" about the person was kill conveniently unhelpful isn't it?

EURGH!!! What is wrong with you people, has the Madness taken you all??? (Already???) Now come on!!! That can't be.

As for that matter, it at least eases my mind on something. Both Hakon and Morsul (or Pitchwife) cannot be Agents, and I don't think they would be an Agent and a Wolf or something like that. Or just a Wolf among all this madness, it sounds too... crazy. Or suicidal.

For that matter, I believe you forgot to list your First Night's dream for us. Therefore, I don't find your claim very reliable.

Unless... no, come on. Unless you folks made some totally weird conspiracy, like you and Hakon being two of the remaining Wolves, but that will be impossible to hold, as once the real Dreamer and Priest's roles would become known, you'd be done for. (By the way, do we have four WWs, right? If I understood the first narration correctly...)

Okay, whatever! I am going to sleep now!! Enough of this!!! Yet these creatures mock me and say that there is no city of Olathoe and that there is no land of Lomar aiiiieeeee... Azathoth have mercy! No more revelations, please...

Current thoughts. Pw: Dreamer. Morsul: bad, probably agent. Hakon: ok, for now...

I mean, it seems really unlikely to me that Pw and SpM would pull off such a trick only to buy the Wolves some time (they would basically expose themselves).

EDIT: x-ed with a few, okay, I will stay around for a while yet and see if Morsul posts anything or what... eurgh.

[Morsul the Dark]

Well because of my inexperience I just kind of picked Random I chose Roa, there was nothing interesting there. Inzil was a more educated guess though

[Roa_Aoife]

So now we have two seers and a ranger? Oh man...

Morsul, if you're the dreamer, who did you dream?

Hakon, that was totally unnecessary. You were in no danger whatsoever, and if the wolves had tried to kill pitchwife toNight, they wouldn't have made a kill and we'd be up an advantage.

I'm pretty sure Morsul is the Agent. As such we should ignore him. (He counts as an innocent in the numbers.) I did the very same thing to seer-Rikae when I was the cobbler. Pitch wasn't in lead in the votes, and would certainly not have handed over a fellow wolf on Day 1, especially one as powerful as SPM.

Edit: Crossed with a bunch. And what did your dreams reveal about me and Inzil?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I'm pretty sure Morsul is the Agent. As such we should ignore him. (He counts as an innocent in the numbers.) I did the very same thing to seer-Rikae when I was the cobbler. Pitch wasn't in lead in the votes, and would certainly not have handed over a fellow wolf on Day 1, especially one as powerful as SPM.

Agreed with this all. And now, let me go to sleep at least.

"Other stars anon shall rise/To the axis of the skies
Stars that soothe and stars that bless/With a sweet forgetfulness:
Only when my turn is o'er/Shall the past disturb thy door"

I am amazed by how much I remember.

Good night. Will be back.

[Roa_Aoife]

I can already tell this day is going to be wasted. *throws hands up and stalks off to do analysis*

Edit: Crossed with Legate

[Inziladun]

I can already tell this day is going to be wasted. *throws hands up and stalks off to do analysis*

Edit: Crossed with Legate

Good luck with that. :rolleyes:

[Morsul the Dark]

Don't you see how cunningly he's pulling this off?

I think the early reveal was pretty bold, of course when I expose him I come under scrutiny, Seriously guys come on as I understand the track record you lost a seer on day1 the past few times don't let it happen again... We're off to a great start

Pitch and Brinn are My forerunners

Nerwen although not as strongly suspect

Legate voted for SPM but tried to make it look like he did so logically but then basically said "Fine SPM"

[Inziladun]

Here's why I have a tough time with this, Morsul.

Theoretically, Pitch could be a wolf, and his giving up SPM a plot to ensure his being thought innocent the rest of the game.
However, if Pitch survives beyond Day 3 or so, I would have to assume he was a wolf and go for him. Everyone knows that a revealed Seer is a dead Seer. It's only a matter of time. If he wasn't killed by the wolves after the oportunities for the Priest to protect him ran out, we'd have his number.
I do appreciate your giving me the all-clear though, as I am indeed innocent.

[wilwarin538]

Wow I missed a lot Especially Pitch Revealing himself as the seer, Here's why that's suspicious to me, because I'm the dreamer I'm thinking Pitch revealed either to save himself from lynching or more likely to get in our good graces by giving up one of his fellow wolfs... If that's the case then Brinn is highly suspect too. Look how quickly she accepted his deception.

Although Nerwen is still fairly suspect very bandwagondish, though maybe not wolfish. By the way he drew a lot of interest yesterday so I checked out Inzil he's clear.

Although I won't vote in my first post this time I'd like to point out Pitch fooled us once let's be weary of any suggestions he has. I mean Come on he "dreamed" about the person was kill conveniently unhelpful isn't it?

Edit: Crossed with Legate

Both Pitch and Morsul are making me uneasy. I really don't know which is really being truthful. I am tempted to believe Morsul though. I mean think about it, if he was faking it wouldn't he have said that he too had dreamt of SPM?? Just to make it more believable? I don't know it's tough.....

Oh my Hakon. So I was right to vote you yesterDay. You're really going to make me do this aren't you??

I'm the Priest! I've never been the ranger before so I was panicked last Night and protected Pitch, I was too scared to bluff the wolves. I have no idea what I'll do toNight. Oh, and I`ve been using the ring as my symbol on all my posts, to represent the rings that Priests wear when they make their vows.

Therefore Hakon must either be a wolf or the Agent (leaning towards Agent, too bold for a wolf I think). This game has gotten ridiculous. :rolleyes:

Sorry to just drop this on you guys, but I really have to get some studying done, just didn`t want Hakon to get away with this.

[Roa_Aoife]

Both Pitch and Morsul are making me uneasy. I really don't know which is really being truthful. I am tempted to believe Morsul though. I mean think about it, if he was faking it wouldn't he have said that he too had dreamt of SPM?? Just to make it more believable? I don't know it's tough.....

Oh my Hakon. So I was right to vote you yesterDay. You're really going to make me do this aren't you??

I'm the Priest! I've never been the ranger before so I was panicked last Night and protected Pitch, I was too scared to bluff the wolves. I have no idea what I'll do toNight. Oh, and I`ve been using the ring as my symbol on all my posts, to represent the rings that Priests wear when they make their vows.

Therefore Hakon must either be a wolf or the Agent (leaning towards Agent, too bold for a wolf I think). This game has gotten ridiculous. :rolleyes:

Sorry to just drop this on you guys, but I really have to get some studying done, just didn`t want Hakon to get away with this.

Ok, had to calm down. Firstly, if Hakon is evil then you just played right into his hands. Secondly, why would you say you protected Pitch last night? You could have bluffed and said you didn't and we could have had the seer one more night.

All these reveals are driving me insane. Gifteds are supposed to be unknown. This is rediculous. I hope the hunter has the common sense to stay quiet.

[Morsul the Dark]

Sorry Roa I wanted to stay quiet but I couldn't let Pitch get away with this I mean we'd be crazy to protect him like that.

[Roa_Aoife]

Morsul, Pitch would have been killed had he survived much longer than a revealed seer should. If you're really the seer then all you've done is reveal yourself to the wolves.

Pitch also handed us a wolf. You handed us two innocents which are the easiest thing for a trickster to reveal. Because if you're a wolf then you know who's innocent. If you say a gifted is innocent, they'd assume you were just trying to hide their real role as an act of protection. An Agent can't fail, because no way is a wolf declared innocent gonna say that they're not. As for handing over a wolf?

Pitch is either a bumbling Agent, a bold wolf who's plan cannot possibly succeed, or the real dreamer. The odds are with a dreamer, because I have never seen a baddie pretending to be a seer claim that they know a wolf.

[wilwarin538]

Ok, had to calm down. Firstly, if Hakon is evil then you just played right into his hands. Secondly, why would you say you protected Pitch last night? You could have bluffed and said you didn't and we could have had the seer one more night.


I know I know :(. I posted that then got off the computer to study for a bit, and I realised afterwards I should have never said who I protected, so I came back on. Besides, I'm not even positive Pitch is the dreamer, it could be Morsul. But it's so obvious to me that Hakon is evil, I just wanted it to be out there so we can definitely get a baddie today. I could always protect myself toNight and then get another protection (that only I know about) the following Night, or something. Like I said, I've never played this role before, so I'm not used to it.

[Roa_Aoife]

Also, to the village as a whole:

The real ranger and seer will be killed by the wolves. I tried leaving a revealed ranger alive in a game to freak people out, and it bit me in the... well you know what I mean. It's tactic that's overly bold, even for me. So I say we leave Hakon and Wilwa alone. The real ranger can continue in their duties and the fake one can attempt their shenanigans and the real one will be killed. So, Hakon, if you are the ranger, protect Pitch. Wilwa, if you are the ranger, protect Morsul.

As for the seers, well the wolves would be really foolish to leave the real seer alive to continue dreaming. Which means that every day Morsul and Pitch are still alive, the should post their dreams. If either finds a wolf, we lynch the "wolf." If it's a real wolf, hooray, we killed a real wolf. If not we know who the liar is. If it's an innocent, well, when the real seer dies we will have a list of known innocents.

Logically, one of the seers is the Agent and one of the rangers is a wolf.

Everyone else, I highly doubt there is more than one wolf in the mix. Definitely the agent, a wolf, and two gifteds. Which mean that there is still a wolf out there. Let's let this mess sort it out, because it will, and move on to finding the other wolf hiding in all of this chaos.

Edit: Edit crossed and bolding. Wilwa, if you doubt Pitch then you think Morsul is the seer so don't protect yourself. If you're really the ranger and you die, then we can catch Hakon. Don't protect yourself- it only helps you and not the rest of us.

[Inziladun]

Where's Sally when you need her? *headdesk*

I think of the two Priest claimants, Hakon would be the more likely fraud, since there was *no* legitimate reason for him to have revealed.

[Hakon]

I knew I was at a risk of being lynched. If you people lynch me we will have a lot of issues like no more ranger. Wilwa is faking. I never thought something like this would happen. I am protecting Pitch tonight as I have already stated and Wilwa is not protecting anyone since she will be coming after me with her pack mates.

++Wilwa

[Roa_Aoife]

Nogrod
Post 1- Remarks that people have nothing to comment on because no one is doing anything. Suggestion of finding some meaning.

Okay. I agree with him, and I don’t see a problem here.

Post 2- Suggests that one of the first posters must be a wolf. Wonders why no one can make a case against them. Makes a case against each of them himself.

I don’t believe these were serious suspicions, but instead a means of stirring the pot and getting people to react. Others have said that he’s suggesting others be controversial while he isn’t, but he just made up suspicions against 8 players before a third of the Day was over. So he’s actually being quite controversial. Of course, his suggestion that we go for the nice people conveniently excludes him as a candidate.

Post 3- Says people shouldn’t be afraid of getting lynched. Wants people to say their thoughts out loud. Believe’s there’s much to be said now. Response to Wilwa, insinuates she a wolf

I don’t see other people’s reasoning here that he’s not following his own advice as he clearly is. What I do see is that he says wilwa is saying what sounds wise but not following through, which is what wolves do. So he essentially implies wilwa is acting like a wolf without directly saying so.

Post 4- Explains the difference between having meta-game reasons for suspecting someone and using those reasons as an argument for a vote, thinks Lari’s comment about Wilwa looks like one wolf trying to protect another. Shares Legate’s suspicions of Nienna

The whole Lari thing- he says that he “thinks” some suspicions had been raised against Wilwa, when he himself started raising them, albeit subtly, and then tries to fit in a comment made by Lari taken out of context and twisted a bit to fit in with this. I find this to be a very subtle attempt to start swaying suspicion towards Wilwa, which would be especially sinister given his previous statements about people saying what they think. He keeps insinuating Wilwa’s guilt without ever following through.

Post 5- Response to SPM, says his and SPM’s suspicions have the same level of solidness, compares his suspicion of Nienna with SPM’s suspicion of Loslote.

He admits his case against Nienna is weak, which is perfectly fine, given Day 1. However, he seems far more convinced about Lari and Wilwa. Also, this looks like “nudgenudgewinkwink, look at us making up cases…” He seems to find nothing suspicious in what SPM was doing to Loslote, nor does he see SPM’s double standard (that he just pointed out) as suspicious. What happened to being controversial?

Post 6- Says he suspects Nienna, Wilwa, and Lari, brushes off the Wilwa suspicion by saying that just because she told people to talk when they have nothing to say is no reason to suspect her. But Lari’s sudden defense of wilwa made him raise his eyebrows, thinks Nienna’s explanation may be genuine but looks overly defensive. Votes Nienna

So, he subtly raised the suspicion of Wilwa and just as subtly distanced himself from it. He makes a bigger point about Lari’s “sudden defense” of Wilwa (which was just a line in a list of people she thought innocent) and her “actual points” about it (which was her explaining herself to Nogrod after he asked about it.) Further more, he's barely mentioned Nienna while he's mentioned Wilwa three times, and seems to be very concerned over this Lari thing, but he votes Nienna anyways.

On the whole, it’s his case against Wilwa and Lari that make him look the most suspicious. Whether Wilwa is an innocent or a wolf, the subtlety in his case after telling people to speak their minds and stir things up is highly suspicious.

[Roa_Aoife]

I have to finish a paper that's due in the morning, so I'll be back on later, probably with more analysis and such.

It's been a while since I played a game with McCaber, but he wouldn't pull a Fea on us, would he?

[Morsul the Dark]

Where is everybody? I haven't got all day, and that Zann toccata's waiting for me; if nobody's talking, I'll go on working on that for a while, hoping to finish the transcription while I'm alive. Back in a couple of hours.

Want to keep an eye on things and influence us to your liking?

I'm fairly certain he's either a wolf or a cobbler/agent.

and while brinn was taken in quickly Roa's endless defense for this impostor is very noticeable all the while attempting to look neutral.

[Hakon]

I have to finish a paper that's due in the morning, so I'll be back on later, probably with more analysis and such.

It's been a while since I played a game with McCaber, but he wouldn't pull a Fea on us, would he?

What do you mean pull a Fea on us? I am still on the newer side of playing WW games.

[Roa_Aoife]

I chose Roa, there was nothing interesting there.


and while brinn was taken in quickly Roa's endless defense for this impostor is very noticeable all the while attempting to look neutral.

You claimed you dreamed of me and found me innocent. Now you find me suspicious because I'm "defending" Pitchwife (which I'm not.) Which is it, Morsul? I think you just made a fatal error.

[Morsul the Dark]

Wow my memory is that bad huh? I'm so caught up in Pitchwife's claim I'm forgetting who's innocent... Well I hope a slip of memory doesn't make everyone make the wrong choice about the real seer

[Hakon]

Morsul is a horrible agent and Wilwa is an impostor. We have two people to go after now.

[Inziladun]

You claimed you dreamed of me and found me innocent. Now you find me suspicious because I'm "defending" Pitchwife (which I'm not.) Which is it, Morsul? I think you just made a fatal error.

Nice catch, Roa!

The question is, Agent or wolf?

[Morsul the Dark]

damn, Fine as far as I know Pitch is a real seer, Wow I messed up. Anyway since I can't really hide at this point I might as try to help. Hakon while I may not be the real seer that doesn't make wilwa guilty by association. you're still suspect as is Wilwa.

Nerwen is suspect for aforementioned reasons...

Roa who is innocent I'm fairly sure because of his support of Pitch(and being my failure.) , makes a good case against nogrod.

Edit crossed with inzil

[Roa_Aoife]

*sigh* Morsul's an agent, ignore him.

[wilwarin538]

Ok. I have to go to sleep now. Really badly. So I'll just pop on real quick in the morning to vote, but not much more from me for toDay.

[Loslote]

...wow. You guys make my head hurt.

I'm pretty sure Morsul's the Agent, wilwa's the Priest, and Pitchie's the Dreamer. I may be wrong about wilwa, but I don't think so - Hakon seems suspicious to me. Day 1 he votes from meta-game reasons, and Day 2 he reveals for no reason. Wilwa at least had a reason. Also, since Hakon himself admitted he was new to WW, why would he make such a bold move as to leave the Dreamer unguarded? Wilwa's guard makes more sense to me.

Morsul's is pretty obvious. Also, his attempt to 'help' once he'd been revealed? No wolf would do that. He's clearly the Agent, doesn't know exactly what he's doing, and as Roa said, should simply be ignored.

Pitchie gave us SPAM. Need I say more? We wouldn't have killed SPAM on our own, simply because he's been gone for a while and we'd want him around. If he were a wolf and wanted to follow that tactic, he could have given us a different wolf and SPAM would likely have been in the clear for quite some time.

[Hakon]

...wow. You guys make my head hurt.

I'm pretty sure Morsul's the Agent, wilwa's the Priest, and Pitchie's the Dreamer. I may be wrong about wilwa, but I don't think so - Hakon seems suspicious to me. Day 1 he votes from meta-game reasons, and Day 2 he reveals for no reason. Wilwa at least had a reason. Also, since Hakon himself admitted he was new to WW, why would he make such a bold move as to leave the Dreamer unguarded? Wilwa's guard makes more sense to me.

Morsul's is pretty obvious. Also, his attempt to 'help' once he'd been revealed? No wolf would do that. He's clearly the Agent, doesn't know exactly what he's doing, and as Roa said, should simply be ignored.

Pitchie gave us SPAM. Need I say more? We wouldn't have killed SPAM on our own, simply because he's been gone for a while and we'd want him around. If he were a wolf and wanted to follow that tactic, he could have given us a different wolf and SPAM would likely have been in the clear for quite some time.

I am not new to WW. I am on the newer side. This is my sixth or seventh game. I did not guard Pitchwife since I knew the wolves would expect that. They expected me to guard him so I avoided doing so and thus I can now guard him when they will go for him. I made that clear, did I not?

[Craydon1]

Wow a lot happens when a bum steps away from his computer. Okay, so currently I'm nervous about both the supposed priest. While I can see the plus side of revealing if you are the dreamer (Pitch) and also trying to deceive us if you are the agent (Morsul); I don't see the point of letting us know you are the priest. So I currently am highly suspicious of both Hakon and Wilwa, I'm going to be on for a few hours and will make my final vote then. I will say that if Hakon is the priest, does not get lynched, and our good dreamer Pitch doesn't die in his sleep (how ironic), I will be more incline to trust him. Inclined mind you, not 100 % convinced.

[Roa_Aoife]

Ok, the paper is taking longer than I thought. I do still intend to analyze Nerwen, Inzil and Larien, but ti may take awhile.

Please ignore the mess.

[Nienna]

Dear Village,

Stop.

Love, Me.

I'm pretty sure Roa is innocent. I'm confused by the quadruple reveals ... or triple considering I'm not really sure what Morsul was doing...

I'll be around for a while tonight but then I'll have to vote a few (four) hours before deadline so I hope we can weed through this mess.

Pitch: Seer
Wilwa: Ranger?... what worries me about Wilwa is that she revealed and wants us to lynch Hakon who could possibly be the ranger then leaving Pitchwife open to dying tonight and not getting a kill.
Hakon: Ranger?
Morsul: who knows?

I'm thinking that if there is a wolf in the mix it is probably Wilwa. Though her using icons may point toward her innocence it is very easy for a wolf who knows they are going to false reveal to add those to posts.

I'm going to investigate Wilwa and SPM's interactions and such...

[Nerwen]

Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!

I haven't finished reading this thread yet, but it appears that the entire village has gone stark raving mad.:eek:

[Nienna]

No way am I gonna make it obvious that I'm a wolf just to make you're life easier.....oops :p.

Just saw this... it worries me... I've seen more than one wolf jokingly say they are a wolf to have it brushed off (which it was).

[Roa_Aoife]

Please, people. If you are wrong about the person you think is a wolf, then you are killing a gifted, which plays right into the wolves hands. There is only a 1/4 chance of getting the right person, and 1/2 chance of killing a gifted. Are you really going to risk killing a gifted on odds like that? We need the ranger alive and we need the seer alive.

That mess will definitely sort itself out. Just leave it be for now and don't risk our gifted on something you can't be sure of.

[Morsul the Dark]

It is very odd that Hakon revealed like that... I think Wilwa's response could be seen as either trying to deceive us away from the real priest, like I tried... Or he could be exposing Hakon, Hakon frankly is more suspicious

[Loslote]

No one is leaning toward lynching Morsul, who is (almost definitely) the Agent. Therefore, it would be more like a 1/3 shot of hitting a wolf. Also, very few people are leaning towards lynching Pitchie. 1/2 shot of hitting a wolf, 1/2 shot of hitting a seer. However, even though these odds are slightly better than Roa's, I agree that we should leave them be. If Wilwa is the seer, then the wolves can kill Pitchie. But then we know that Hakon's a wolf, and we can lynch him. If Hakon's the seer, then they can't kill Pitchie toNight. But if Pitchie doesn't die, it doesn't prove that Hakon's the ranger, it just gives a bit more legitimacy to his claim. Therefore, we only know for sure who's the ranger if Pitchie dies toNight. I'm definitely not happy with that, but what can you do? :rolleyes:

[Nienna]

Roa if you are worried about me, don't be. I'm just trying to make a productive use of toDay... I won't vote to lynch anyone who could possibly be a gifted until we are more sure.

[Nerwen]

Okay, up to date now.

Wow my memory is that bad huh? I'm so caught up in Pitchwife's claim I'm forgetting who's innocent... Well I hope a slip of memory doesn't make everyone make the wrong choice about the real seer

Ha, ha, nice try.:p

damn, Fine as far as I know Pitch is a real seer, Wow I messed up. Anyway since I can't really hide at this point I might as try to help. Hakon while I may not be the real seer that doesn't make wilwa guilty by association. you're still suspect as is Wilwa.

Nerwen is suspect for aforementioned reasons...

Roa who is innocent I'm fairly sure because of his support of Pitch(and being my failure.) , makes a good case against nogrod.

*sigh* Morsul... we know now you are no friend to Innsmouth. What makes you think we're going to listen to your advice?

Wow a lot happens when a bum steps away from his computer. Okay, so currently I'm nervous about both the supposed priest. While I can see the plus side of revealing if you are the dreamer (Pitch) and also trying to deceive us if you are the agent (Morsul); I don't see the point of letting us know you are the priest. So I currently am highly suspicious of both Hakon and Wilwa, I'm going to be on for a few hours and will make my final vote then. I will say that if Hakon is the priest, does not get lynched, and our good dreamer Pitch doesn't die in his sleep (how ironic), I will be more incline to trust him. Inclined mind you, not 100 % convinced.

Anything is possible, Crayon, but I'd say circumstances already point pretty strongly towards Pitch being the real thing.

As for the two Priest candidates– look they're probably not both wolves. That would mean exposing themselves to the real Priest– and if the village believed him and not them, game over.

I'm pretty sure Roa is innocent. I'm confused by the quadruple reveals ... or triple considering I'm not really sure what Morsul was doing...

Quadruple reveals.

At #152–
Wow I missed a lot Especially Pitch Revealing himself as the seer, Here's why that's suspicious to me, because I'm the dreamer

If that's not a reveal, I don't know what is.

Did you miss that post, Nienna?

I'm thinking that if there is a wolf in the mix it is probably Wilwa. Though her using icons may point toward her innocence it is very easy for a wolf who knows they are going to false reveal to add those to posts.

True– I don't see why people think leaving those sort of clues proves anything– but you say "if there's a wolf?" Do you actually have a theory that would allow for two sets of competing reveals without a wolf being involved?

EDIT:spelling.
EDIT2:x'd since last post.

[Nerwen]

If Wilwa is the seer, then the wolves can kill Pitchie. But then we know that Hakon's a wolf, and we can lynch him. If Hakon's the seer, then they can't kill Pitchie toNight. But if Pitchie doesn't die, it doesn't prove that Hakon's the ranger, it just gives a bit more legitimacy to his claim. Therefore, we only know for sure who's the ranger if Pitchie dies toNight.

Lottie, you've got the claims mixed up. The "Dreamer" is the Seer, and the "Priest" is the Ranger.

[Brinniel]

So I come home exhausted and tell Nienna I'm not sure how much energy I'll have for WW toDay and she replies, "Btw, there have been gifted reveals up the wazoo." Thanks guys. Now my headache has grown ten times worse. :rolleyes:

Obviously Morsul isn't the real seer since he gave up on his act. And I would've said anyway that I don't believe him. For one thing, if Pitch was a wolf sacrificing another to look good, I don't think he would've chosen to sacrifice Spm...anyway it wouldn't be a smart move period to sacrifice on Day One. So is Morsul the agent or a wolf? If he's a wolf, he just blew it for his team; but we can't count out the possibility. Which means at some point in the future we'll probably need to lynch him so not to let the risk of a wolf getting away. Geez, for all we know Morsul could just be an ordo who doesn't know what he's doing. He didn't know how to vote properly yesterDay, so is it possible he doesn't know you're not supposed to fake reveal if innocent? It seems unlikely, but I don't know..

As to who our ranger is I'm less certain, but I'm more inclined to believe wilwa. Hakon had no good reason to come out; rangers don't reveal unless they're being threatened. And everything he has said since sounds fabricated. Wilwa on the other hand seems more believable and her panicked reveal was more genuine. (Now if she is the ranger, I'm really hoping she is bluffing about who she protected.) The only reason I could see a ranger reveal come out so suddenly was to lure out the real ranger, and if so, it's been a success. Though that could've been something done by either a wolf or agent.

There's my thoughts for now. I need to take some ibuprofen, eat, and relax a bit before doing anything more. But I'll suggest that perhaps now we should start to switch our focus elsewhere. These reveals have caused a great deal of distraction which wolves love since it makes it easy for them to hide. Because while one wolf may be part of this mess, there's still at least one who is not. Btw, are there three or four wolves in this game? I forgot. And my head still hurts.

[Loslote]

Oops! Sorry. In my head, it made sense...:rolleyes:

[Nienna]

If that's not a reveal, I don't know what is.

Did you miss that post, Nienna?

No but his posts after that where he was like "whoops" "jk" make it not seem like a true reveal to me.

True– I don't see why people think leaving those sort of clues proves anything– but you say "if there's a wolf?" Do you actually have a theory that would allow for two sets of competing reveals without a wolf being involved?

Well I don't want to say for sure that there is a wolf in the bunch as I'm not for sure. I think there most probably is one but I did consider false revealing as a ranger so that the wolves would kill me and then the village would have their gifteds for another day or two. I don't think that that is what is going on but it is an option.

Edit: Crossed with Brinn and Lottie

[Morsul the Dark]

Why would you listen to me? Because I'm out in the open everyone knows who I am as far as I'm concerned trying to sabotage you guys is a useless venture granted it goes against the character, but I have nothing now so might as go along for the ride. Then again I suppose I can't blame anyone for not trusting me.

[Brinniel]

That mess will definitely sort itself out. Just leave it be for now and don't risk our gifted on something you can't be sure of.
Good point. Which is precisely why we should change our focus and start to look at other players.

[Nerwen]

No but his posts after that where he was like "whoops" "jk" make it not seem like a true reveal to me.

Yes, he claimed it was all a joke after Roa picked up the slip he made. In his several posts before that, he seemed quite in earnest.

EDIT:X'd with Morsul and Brinniel.

[Loslote]

I'm going to look at Legate's posts...yes, before you ask, it was a random pick...plus I remembered he hadn't posts too much, and I was lazy.

That's a good thing to point out, though of course it needs more than words to change it. Anyway, I guess let's see till more people post. The time has not probably yet come for most to post, and the darkness that creeps threateningly upon the shores of New England and strange omens above America's cities will rouse more of their inhabitants.

Statistically or not, let us note that it did happen in the several last games, statistic or not. Though I guess it is more of a matter of group mentality. And bad luck. Basically, it is too random to determine. Of course it is the matter for everybody to try to prevent that from happening.

That's probably the most substantial point this far, but on the other hand, well, what can we do on first Day. Let's see what happens in a few hours. This far, I don't have any particular feelings on anybody... it could be more interesting once people start to post more (cf. above).

So basic Day 1 first post. (I edited out the in-character fluff)

SpM seems actually very nice and active. Okay, now "nice" can be seen as a derogatory term, but it's not how I mean it now. Supported by the fact that I haven't played with him for a long time, it's very likely that I won't be voting for him toDay at least.

Morsul (does that mean Black Wind? Wonderful, I guess it's fitting here) the Dark is new around here. (Morsul - the Mod of course never reveals or hints at the identity of the WWs. And that goes for everything. I.e. if the Mod posts that somebody found the dead body, somebody came running from behind a corner etc. it's no indication to the people's roles. All this work is for us, the narrations are only narrations. The important information is always only who was killed, what was his role, or other things that might have happened related to the real - not narrational - roles.)
Morsul does not seem any suspicious to me, he just needs to get into the game. For certain, anyway, I am not going to vote him on the first Day, as this is his first game.

Noggoth is more or less his usual self, maybe a bit more, how to say it, ruthless in his attempts to initiate some events in the game, but then, he speaks sensibly a lot and also, let's see what he posts now.

And so why didn't YOU [post suspicions] do that, Noggoth, since you were so keen on staring some actual debate?

I don't feel any suspicious about A Little Green Star-Shaped Stone, at least not this far.

Maybe one I feel rather uneasy about right now is Pitchwife. It is some things he says, and the general tone of his posting. But I would probably need to re-check what he said and also see if he posts more in the future.

I really like Craydon on first sight, the idea of asking people questions or stuff like that is very nice and shows that he means well with this village (ahem...). I am not sure if asking the question you suggested would be worth anything important, but anyway the thought itself is good and mainly, like I said, it's an indication of involvement rather than trying to flow with the stream, down to the mouths of the ocean where the worms feed on the dead bodies. Whatever.

wilwa tries to argue with Nog, or so to say, respond to him, well, I think I see her point, though it's hard to say if she is speaking genuinely or not. Not particularly suspicious or anything, but not any innocent-looking either.

Hakon at first pops in and does nothing - okay, I see, might be busy, but it will be nice to see more in the future, will ye, Hakon? *scary gaze* Oh but okay, he posts more later... but then...

Surely this is no reasoning here! And the mods often assign their roles randomly. And even if they didn't, they won't tell us. That would be unfair. It's called meta-game reasoning. We seem to be having too much of that around here this time already, thank you.
Anyway, I am a bit unnerved by Hakon, actually. And the reason for his vote is just plain... well, evil (okay, the word's meaning out of the context of this village). Though I still well remember how he was lynched last time innocent on Day 1... And I can imagine even an innocent Hakon to vote in such a, well, rude manner.

I do not have any particular feeling about Loslote.

Nerwen looks more or less okay, at least trying to do something.

I am slightly worried of Inzil, too. But nothing in particular.

Of course they won't, but that's the point. The reaction is the point, not the answer. It's a difference for somebody when he has to lie.

As for Lari, I actually don't see anything suspicious about her, and seems actually quite good to me (even with that SpM comment, which is something I can see as reasonable, not saying that I agree with it, but I can see an innocent posting that).

Of course Morsul's vote for Nienna has no real substance, but then why are you so overreacting, Nienna? You behave as if half of the village was after you.

Roa, looks Roa, but nothing special to base my thoughts on about her yet.

Kit also, nothing special, nothing suspicious this far.

Brinn - okay, what was THAT first post, some sort of madness. Okay, normal in this village, actually. :D Anyway, but as for the serious part, I can't get any proper read on her at least yet.

Okay, but is that it? I hope so. Anyway, I guess that's from me now, I will probably pop up yet before the DL, and then probably in the last instance around it to vote.

So, he suspects Pitchie and Nienna and the rest is fluffy nothings.

Okay, but THAT screams "wolf" to me. Because really. I completely disagree with what Hakon did (and I said so), but then, if you try to think of it deeper... Would Hakon do such a thing as a Wolf? Or, is it any indication of his wolfishness? Also, like I said, I can well imagine even innocent Hakon being so "rude" and vote in the way he did. Also, what is the Wolves' purpose? It's to find a person whom the others suspect and vote for him/her as well, in order to hide in the crowd, or to find somebody to whom they can draw the suspicion of other villagers. But would what Hakon just did be a good opportunity to find a target for the village? I doubt it. I doubt Hakon-Wolf could have hoped for getting Inzil lynched by saying what he did. These were no reasons which would create a bandwagon.
But voting for Hakon at the moment when it seems that there is a good point to catch on, now that is what wilwa does. And that actually looks like a good start of a bandwagon, indeed! That's why it screams wolfy to me. And anyway, wilwa, if you are accusing Hakon of having bad logic and that he should be better, look at your own vote for him. "I don't like him" is about as bad logic as Hakon uses. No, really. You are either being hypocritical, or being a Wolf.

Not really, but one mistaken vote of one newbie? It can be seen where Morsul is coming from. My point is, had I been in Ni's place, I would have ignored his vote. It has no real substance behind it, so why should it worry me? Especially if Morsul realised that he cannot base his suspicions on things like that. Everything's all right, then. I got one vote, but happens (if he voted for me at the moment when I already have four votes and am at the risk of being lynched, then it would be something different). Of course it's possibly a shock at first, but then when you see the reasons and the background for it, it really isn't an issue. And I am saying this because I got the feeling about Ni that her reaction would not have been so different from mine when it comes to that.

That's a fair point too, though personally I am not worried by that in particular with wilwa. I think this could be perfectly innocent comment. (But I have different reasons for suspecting wilwa - cf. above.)

So he is comfortable with Hakon, despite his suspicious voting, but unhappy with wilwa, for the same reason. And he is mad at wilwa for being hypocritical...and criticizes Ni for being upset by Morsul's nonsense vote when he says he'd do the same.

Okay, this is actually once again one moment where I am becoming unsure of Pitchwife. First, it looks slightly like... well, in his whole last post, he is basically stemming from things I said (or also Nogrod for that matter, etc.). It could be sort of like a Pitchwolf picking up some people of the more vocal sort and trying to make a good eye for himself by agreeing with them. Also, using their arguments as basis while expressing slight doubt would be a good cover for a Wolf in order not to need to make up any own reasons.
Secondly also, I don't think I have ever mentioned Nienna's reaction as being wolfish. In fact, indeed I have only expressed my wonder. (And now I take her explanation as acceptable.) So I wonder where this "wolfishness" came from, if it's supposed to have come from me, it could hint on some thought processes which perhaps read what they want to read (a Wolf wishing to read a suspicion being raised, so that he can continue on it)?
It may not be so, of course, and it can be interpretated in many ways. But it just again raises my awareness of Pitchwife.

EDIT: x-ed since Kitanna

I didn't get much from this one.

Hmm, well, I don't really think so. Like I said, now I am calmed by her explanation. But okay, you may disagree - still though, I would like to know (perhaps later if you are not around now, then), why Nienna and not wilwa, as it seems to me that your level of suspicion of the both of them seems more or less the same. So, just something if you could do me a favor and elaborate on it a bit.

EDIT: x-ed with Kitanna

He's either backing out on his criticism of Ni like a wolf...or just accepting her reasoning like an ordo.

What the :eek:

Okay, well. That's a very... interesting turn of events. Okay, well. I guess there is no way why you would lie to us at this stage. Eurgh. Brilliant. That means... that means, let's lynch SpM? *sigh* (Lommy is going to be happy, she said she pitied the fact that she won't play with SpM... now if he dies, that's perhaps less of a loss...)

Basic "Pitchie revealed as the Dreamer" response.

I skipped his vote count.

Eurgh. I haven't thought of that, but that would be probably the most brave move I've ever seen, especially also as the Agent would not know who the WWs are. So I wouldn't be worried (but you scared me here for a bit).

Who was the one shouting "we'll get a WW toDay we will we will!"? Speaking of that, even if it is so, we should not lay down and be happy. There are more about. *goes to check the thread for SpM's reactions to people - the sooner, the better*

Still focusing on wilwa. Goes to analyze SPAM.

I have skimmed through previous pages and things concerning SpM, then I returned rather to see if anybody posts or anything... anyway, I sort of reconsidered and I think, while we can read it, we can keep our thoughts for toMorrow... because we won't have time to discuss that now anyway, while the WWs will have time during the Night to discuss and prepare arguments, and if they'd know exactly what the questions are going to be, they can prepare better, so let's not give them ideas.

Nay, I think it was a clever thing to do. Really there were many people to vote and this could have ended very randomly, so good what you did.

Agrees with Pitchie about revealing.

I agree - with both. (Or with all, respectively.) Well, let's see what toMorrow brings, and what we can consider.

That's true, though they can sure think for themselves... anyway our Day is gone now, so probably let's just trust their judgement (and to the powers laid upon them by the Ones from the Outside).

Wants to leave the gifteds alone.

Okay, let's see now. As for what happened, I would say the death of Greenie is very, very probably a no-track kill. Unless the WWs are really good in reading minds and it was there to intercept the Dreamer's dream, which I doubt, though.

Okay, fair enough, I see the point now. Does not call back watching you, but point taken...

As for SpM, though...

I think so too. Actually, as far as I can recall, it would really seem SpM-ish to me that he would mention one of his fellows, and that's about it. And he would not even need to suspect him, necessarily. I think he is usually not the type to do that, not that early anyway. So basically, what Roa said. Which, by the way, makes me think good of her, as it looks like genuine reasoning (unless they are culprits and are diverting our attention, of course, but I don't think so now).

As for the people SpM posted about. Loslote then is very likely clear for me. I don't know that much about Inzil, but I must confess I haven't been paying that much attention to him, so I may as well start to do it now and get a better picture of him anyway. As for Lari's interaction with SpM (especially such as on the second page), well, I must say I was slightly suspicious of Lari by the end of yesterDay, after looking at SpM's posts, but on the other hand, orchestrating a Wolf-on-Wolf suspicion on such a weird comment, like saying that SpM is an Agent... unless it would be a deliberate way of creating a "shield" to defend SpM in the future (the Wolves could then say "hey yes, he is suspicious, but he's likely just an Agent, so let's not waste a lynch on him"). But for some reason that sounds to me quite too much complicated plan, which I don't think the Wolves would pull so soon.

Oh, by the way. We have an Agent here. Let's not forget it. He could make a lot of mess. Just to keep it in mind.

Well, I am not sure if I will be around now, it's rather late here, though I will be certainly (or hope I will be) more active tomorrow, that is, in some ten hours... or maybe a bit more, not to be too optimistic. Or maybe I'll pop in yet now, and be around for a while.

Reminds us about the Agent. Uses really tangly reasoning about SPAM's posts. Nothing outstanding.

Okay, after seeing this, well I had to calm down a bit before actually writing this post (and I suggest to everybody to do the same). Okay, after thinking about it a bit: I don't think that it was a wise thing to just reveal, Hakon. At least I didn't think of lynching you at all. But whatever. I must say, it seems like Hakon to do something like that, but it's slightly crazy. And confusing. Whatever.

Anyway, now certainly this is a thing people are going to react to, but, let me strongly emphasise now, let's not spend all Day on one thing. A pre-emptive warning, because I can already imagine it. Anyway, as for that, Priest or whatnot, I don't think I am going to vote for Hakon. It would be certainly very very nice, anyway, if Pitchwife can get another dream. With some better luck this time, and picking somebody whom the WWs won't target.

And as my thoughts are in a bit of a disarray now (understandable, also given the late hour), I may have yet a word or two even on the abovementioned issue, after I sleep on it a bit. So anyway, read you probably in several hours, fellow villagers. :rolleyes:

"Slumber, watcher, till the Spheres/Six and twenty thousand years/Have revolv'd, and I return/To the spot where now I burn..."

*disappears Beyond the Wall of Sleep*

Is confused by Morsul. So was everyone.

*returns promptly as even before closing the thread itself, some coruscations of demon light appeared in here*

EURGH!!! What is wrong with you people, has the Madness taken you all??? (Already???) Now come on!!! That can't be.

As for that matter, it at least eases my mind on something. Both Hakon and Morsul (or Pitchwife) cannot be Agents, and I don't think they would be an Agent and a Wolf or something like that. Or just a Wolf among all this madness, it sounds too... crazy. Or suicidal.

For that matter, I believe you forgot to list your First Night's dream for us. Therefore, I don't find your claim very reliable.

Unless... no, come on. Unless you folks made some totally weird conspiracy, like you and Hakon being two of the remaining Wolves, but that will be impossible to hold, as once the real Dreamer and Priest's roles would become known, you'd be done for. (By the way, do we have four WWs, right? If I understood the first narration correctly...)

Okay, whatever! I am going to sleep now!! Enough of this!!! Yet these creatures mock me and say that there is no city of Olathoe and that there is no land of Lomar aiiiieeeee... Azathoth have mercy! No more revelations, please...

Current thoughts. Pw: Dreamer. Morsul: bad, probably agent. Hakon: ok, for now...

I mean, it seems really unlikely to me that Pw and SpM would pull off such a trick only to buy the Wolves some time (they would basically expose themselves).

EDIT: x-ed with a few, okay, I will stay around for a while yet and see if Morsul posts anything or what... eurgh.

Is mad about Hakon and wilwa.

I think he's ordo. I might be wrong, but he doesn't come off as a wolf.

I've got to go now. I hope I'll be on before deadline...

[Nerwen]

Good point. Which is precisely why we should change our focus and start to look at other players.

What do you make of Nienna and her attempts to make out that Morsul wasn't "really" impersonating the Dreamer? Firstly she says she wasn't sure whether Morsul had actually revealed, and when I quoted the post in which he said "I'm the Dreamer", she suggests that it was just a joke (which it rather clearly wasn't).

Now, granted, Morsul seems to have a sufficiently shaky grasp of the rules that you couldn't 100% rule out him being an ordo who didn't understand what he was doing
– except, by that point he had basically confessed to being the Agent. (Whether he is that, or a wolf, remains to be seen.) I'm thinking– when a cobbler is exposed, who, besides the cobbler himself, has most reason to be dismayed?

EDIT:X'd with Lottie.

[Morsul the Dark]

wellI have to go to sleep and since I'll be working early and then off to a Real Priest to discuss wedding plans I'll have to vote now assuming, everything so far... Hakon seems the worst off in the bunch so,

++Hakon

[Nerwen]

wellI have to go to sleep and since I'll be working early and then off to a Real Priest to discuss wedding plans I'll have to vote now assuming, everything so far... Hakon seems the worst off in the bunch so,

++Hakon

Firstly, Morsul, let me offer my congratulations.:)

Secondly, let me explain something: you can't change sides in Werewolf*. If you are, in fact, the Agent, you can only win if the wolves do, full stop. Everyone knows this. There's no point saying you've had a change of heart and are now helping the village. See?





*Unless you're a Cursed, which we don't have in this game.

[Inziladun]

Firstly, Morsul, let me offer my congratulations.:)

Secondly, let me explain something: you can't change sides in Werewolf*. If you are, in fact, the Agent, you can only win if the wolves do, full stop. Everyone knows this. There's no point saying you've had a change of heart and are now helping the village. See?

I'm pretty well convinced that with the Hakon / Morsul pair we're looking at a wolf and the Agent. I still say Hakon's reveal makes absolutely no sense otherwise.

What of Nog? I thought Roa did a decent analysis of him earlier. I'm thinking back also to Nog's early swipes at Pitch, which SPM, and then Loslote picked up on.

[Craydon1]

Well I really was hoping the supposed Priest would give me more to work with. Sigh. So I'm going to give them one more night/day to prove themselves/fall on their face. I am going to vote for Morsul because of a few things: 1) if I'm the only one that votes for him, than at least I did not contribute to the possible death of the real Priest, 2) if more do vote for him, than he dies and frankly, no one will mourn, and 3) I'm thinking that if I wanted people to not find out that I'm a wolf I would make myself clearly look like something else. There's my thoughts. Good night.
++Morsul

[Nerwen]

I'm pretty well convinced that with the Hakon / Morsul pair we're looking at a wolf and the Agent. I still say Hakon's reveal makes absolutely no sense otherwise.

Likely, but I'm not ready to vote either of our Priest-claimants yet. Of the two, I should say Hakon is the more likely wolf– yet, he does have a history of doing strange, impulsive things. Meanwhile, I'm not all that keen on Wilwa's willingness to believe Morsul (see #164).

What of Nog? I thought Roa did a decent analysis of him earlier. I'm thinking back also to Nog's early swipes at Pitch, which SPM, and then Loslote picked up on.

Hmmn. A definite possibility. (Mind you, SPM picked up on– I believe– every suspicion expressed about anyone.)

Well I really was hoping the supposed Priest would give me more to work with. Sigh. So I'm going to give them one more night/day to prove themselves/fall on their face. I am going to vote for Morsul because of a few things: 1) if I'm the only one that votes for him, than at least I did not contribute to the possible death of the real Priest, 2) if more do vote for him, than he dies and frankly, no one will mourn, and 3) I'm thinking that if I wanted people to not find out that I'm a wolf I would make myself clearly look like something else. There's my thoughts. Good night.
++Morsul

Craydon,you're correct in assuming that that wolves do sometimes try to look like cobblers. My impression, though, is that Morsul, though evil, is also genuinely confused about the rules, to a degree that seems unlikely in the case of a wolfcub. They generally get tips from their packmates at Night.

[Brinniel]

What do you make of Nienna and her attempts to make out that Morsul wasn't "really" impersonating the Dreamer? Firstly she says she wasn't sure whether Morsul had actually revealed, and when I quoted the post in which he said "I'm the Dreamer", she suggests that it was just a joke (which it rather clearly wasn't).
I don't know if I would see his claim as a joke, though perhaps I can see where she's coming from on the idea that maybe he's an ordo who made a severely wrong move. Considering his behaviour so far, I wouldn't be surprised if that turned out so. Though I don't know what to think about him going along with everyone's notion that he's an agent. For a moment, it makes me worry he is a wolf, but then again there is no way a wolf would act this way when there is a pack to advise him at Night. If he is the agent, that's a really hard role to take on as a newbie who knows little to nothing about the game, so I'll give him credit for even trying. Though when I think about it, when I was a newbie I had difficulty understanding immediately what the role of cobbler exactly was. Is it at all possible Morsul is confused on what the agent does which is why he's going along with it?

But anyway, back to Nienna. No, I don't find her comment about the reveal being a joke suspicious.

It's really late, so I can't stay up much longer, but I think I'll skim the thread a bit first to see if I can get a better read on everyone. I need to be up fairly early in the morning and won't be here for deadline (or rather I shouldn't be since I need to be editing...so don't tempt me), so I'll probably be voting a few hours before then.

[Brinniel]

Well I just spent the last half hour doing dishes instead (they were really piling up), so there goes that time. While I haven't had time to look back at yesterDay, I did skim through toDay again. This is what I have so far:

Legate's reactions and frustrations towards all the reveals looks genuine to me, and I'm inclined to find him more innocent than not. However, he's managed to fool an entire village before, so I'll remain wary.

Roa is one who always worries me. I want to trust her, I really do. Because she's making a whole lot of sense as we try to sort through this chaos, and I do agree with a lot that she has to say. Yet she can be so deceptive, and I always fear that she is completely fooling me.

I found Loslote's behaviour a bit suspicious yesterDay, but with Spm's vote for her, I find her more innocent toDay. Considering that who'd be lynched was a complete toss-up when he voted yesterDay, I really doubt Spm would've made a wolf-on-wolf vote.

While I don't particularly suspect Inzil just yet, I'm getting the feeling that I should keep a close eye on him. And perhaps when I get the chance I'll reread his posts more thoroughly.

Kitanna hasn't posted enough for me to form an opinion of her yet, but she's also one I always watch closely because she can be sneaky and I believe she's had a history of surviving as a lone wolf to the end...so she can most definitely fool an entire village.

I can't think of much else now, and I'm too tired to. I don't know how much participation I can give in the morning, but considering I don't have any suspect as of now, I hope to make some progress before I make my vote.

[Nerwen]

I don't know if I would see his claim as a joke, though perhaps I can see where she's coming from on the idea that maybe he's an ordo who made a severely wrong move. Considering his behaviour so far, I wouldn't be surprised if that turned out so.

I would. Even a very confused ordo should have realised that he would only be getting the (presumed) real Dreamer killed if he succeeded. I mean, along with repeatedly denouncing "the impostor" Pitchwife, he also urged the Ranger not to protect him (#166). Does that sound like a misguided ordo trying to draw fire from the real Seer to you? Really?

Though when I think about it, when I was a newbie I had difficulty understanding immediately what the role of cobbler exactly was. Is it at all possible Morsul is confused on what the agent does which is why he's going along with it?

Or possibly he really does think he's allowed to switch sides.

But of course, if he's just an ordo, then the false Priest– whichever it is– might be the real Agent. In which case if the real Priest were to die toNight, there'd be no call for us to lynch the impostor next Day...

You see why I'm getting worried about Nienna and her "if one of them's a wolf" business?

EDIT:spelling.

[Lariren Shadow]

*reads thread...screams**is also fully aware we are to be talking about not the revels*

Ok, so at the moment we have two reveals for what are pretty much the most crucial roles of the game at the moment(not saying the Changed isn't important but...well at the moment these are the two best defense we've got).

The Dreamer revels...well if I sort of had any doubts about Pitch my doubts about Morsul have increased ten fold. However, I am leaning towards what others are saying about him maybe being the Agent. Mostly because he is new to the game and possibly a new confused Agent would think of a bold and risky move to either get the wolves attention or to save the pack. Though I'm not sure who he is trying to save, but time(hopefully) will tell.

The Priest revels...klsdfskfj...Ok now that that is out. I have no idea what to think. On one hand Hakon's boasty "haha! I has fooled the wolves by not protecting Pitch but I shall toNight! And oh yes! Let me add that I know SPM was a wolf!" sounds very much like him. But at the same time it sounds enough like him to make me doubt it. He did some weird game logic stuff before and for all we know this is the same thing.

And then Wilwa revels. And claims that no really she totally did protect Pitch last Night. And even admits saying that was who she protected was bad(after being caught by Roa(?). Her revel seems...more I don't want to say genuine, because in his own way Hakon sounds very genuine. Her's seems less gloating. And she mentioned that there were clues, which can obviously be faked and planted everywhere, but some people do rely on them to work and for when they revel having tangible evidence to prove their role.

However, this could be a bold move by two wolves trying to survive. Or this is what my sleepy brain thinks could be a possibility.

Just saw this... it worries me... I've seen more than one wolf jokingly say they are a wolf to have it brushed off (which it was).

I have no idea what to believe anymore in this game.

I really wish I could think better. I also hope that I can wake myself up for deadline because at the moment my definatly partially dehydrated worked a full shift mind is not coming to anything anymore right now. I'm going to set my alarm for an hour and a half before deadline and hopefully will wake up and participate. If its only to vote very sorry.

Speaking of votes, because I needed to keep track:
Hakon --> Wilwa
Morsul --> Hakon
Crayon --> Morsul

[Pitchwife]

I'm back, and I notice there's been a lot of action in my absence.
Morsul certainly has been entertaining, but the show has collapsed by now. Probably Agent, so let's just ignore him for now.
Between Hakon and wilwa, it's hard to tell. Hakon's reveal certainly seems premature (now look who's talking!;)), but I think him quite capable of pulling off a gamble last Night; he might even be an ordo trying to confuse the wolves. On the other hand, wilwa blurting out that she's already protected me last Night would be strange if she's genuine - it's basically telling the wolves to come and get me. Right now I'm leaning slightly towards believing Hakon, but I'd advocate against lynching either of them toDay (sheer egoism: with two Priests around, my chances of survival are dramatically increased;)). Things may sort themselves out in the Morning.
So yes, we need to look at everybody else. Unfortunately I can't stick around much longer (must be off to work soon and won't be back before DL) and don't really have enough time for any deep analysis - so I'll do a hurried survey and then a hasty early vote *horror*.
Oh yes, and an urgent plea to our Changed: please stay quiet, there's enough confusion already!

(x-ed w/ Lari)

[Pitchwife]

Argh. This mess sucks. I'm afraid every vote I could make at the moment would be rushed and bordering on randomness, so I'll rather not vote at all toDay. If I survive, I'll make up for it toMorrow, promise - if not, good luck! Cthulhu bless you!

[Nerwen]

However, I am leaning towards what others are saying about him maybe being the Agent. Mostly because he is new to the game and possibly a new confused Agent would think of a bold and risky move to either get the wolves attention or to save the pack. Though I'm not sure who he is trying to save, but time(hopefully) will tell.

Nobody– I think he was hoping to get Pitchwife lynched, or at least left unprotected.


However, this could be a bold move by two wolves trying to survive. Or this is what my sleepy brain thinks could be a possibility.

In which case the wolves are in the interesting situation of having to keep the real Ranger (whoever that may be) alive, since his death would expose both of them. With only two wolves left, that seems suicidal.

What gets me is that both of them sound genuine! While at the same time each has done something about equally foolish/suspicious.:confused:

Oh yes, and an urgent plea to our Changed: please stay quiet, there's enough confusion already!

Good thinking. I was just about to reveal, but– darn it! Now look what you made me do:mad: <=Now that is a joke reveal.

EDIT:X'd with Pitchwife.

[Morsul the Dark]

Secondly, let me explain something: you can't change sides in Werewolf*. If you are, in fact, the Agent, you can only win if the wolves do, full stop. Everyone knows this. There's no point saying you've had a change of heart and are now helping the village. See?
.

Well then I suppose you'll ignore my Good advice as well as my bad eh? pick your poison

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, first, let me sum up the Gifted nonsenses so that I may get this over with from my part.

Morsul I would believe is indeed an agent, Pitch is still most likely a real Dreamer, and as for the Priest, hard to say. I guess we should indeed let this sort out by itself, like Roa said.

1. No reason to lynch Morsul, as I'd think he's an Agent, and there is no reason whatsoever to lynch the Agent. (However, I sympathise with Crayon's vote, as I can see the point. Though not that I encourage such behavior in general.)

2. With the Rangers, we do more harm with lynching one than with letting them be, as if one of them is a real one and one a Wolf, then most likely it's the problem for the WWs, and they will kill the real Ranger one Night. It's really nonsense for the WWs to keep the real Ranger alive, at least by the end, when there are some six people remaining, if such a pair of them was still alive, then it'll be really easy to catch a Wolf then. Aside from that, Ranger can wreak havoc upon the WWs by protecting people, the longer he survives, the bigger his chances are. So I really say we leave these two be as well. (As for whom of them I believe more, I have some reasons for each, in short as for Hakon, I mostly said my feelings before when he revealed, only to note also I wonder that he used the word "ranger" and not "priest" to label himself, though whatever. Wilwa, in some ways it would make more sense, I could imagine her reacting like that if she was true Ranger, on the other hand... well, actually honestly, her revelation does not make much sense for me, even if she was a Ranger and even if she was a Wolf, but it could be pretty irrational, especially if she is true Ranger and sees Hakon's claim. But like I said, let's leave it be for now.)

That means, let's focus on others. I do not, alas, have much time to do anything now, but first, a few random remarks of what I noted while reading the thread. Later I hope to post something more yet.

Theoretically, Pitch could be a wolf, and his giving up SPM a plot to ensure his being thought innocent the rest of the game.
However, if Pitch survives beyond Day 3 or so, I would have to assume he was a wolf and go for him. Everyone knows that a revealed Seer is a dead Seer. It's only a matter of time. If he wasn't killed by the wolves after the oportunities for the Priest to protect him ran out, we'd have his number.
I do appreciate your giving me the all-clear though, as I am indeed innocent.
Okay, this is making me slightly uneasy, especially considering that Morsul indeed must be a fake. It looks like jumping on whatever train rides by, and maybe trying if there is a chance to get rid of the real Seer. On the other hand, perhaps it'd be slightly too uncautious from a wolf.

As for the seers, well the wolves would be really foolish to leave the real seer alive to continue dreaming. Which means that every day Morsul and Pitch are still alive, the should post their dreams. If either finds a wolf, we lynch the "wolf." If it's a real wolf, hooray, we killed a real wolf. If not we know who the liar is. If it's an innocent, well, when the real seer dies we will have a list of known innocents.

Logically, one of the seers is the Agent and one of the rangers is a wolf.

Everyone else, I highly doubt there is more than one wolf in the mix. Definitely the agent, a wolf, and two gifteds. Which mean that there is still a wolf out there. Let's let this mess sort it out, because it will, and move on to finding the other wolf hiding in all of this chaos.
Roa looks good to me, and I agree with the elaboration of hers above which I quote.

By the way, and this was asked before, maybe we should ask McCabber Himself, how many WWs are around, then? There is nothing on the Admin thread about it, and the first narration says something about "four paws", though that is by no means anything official.

Wow my memory is that bad huh? I'm so caught up in Pitchwife's claim I'm forgetting who's innocent... Well I hope a slip of memory doesn't make everyone make the wrong choice about the real seer
(I marked this post to quote while I was still reading the thread... well, hilarious, obviously :D )

Please, people. If you are wrong about the person you think is a wolf, then you are killing a gifted, which plays right into the wolves hands. There is only a 1/4 chance of getting the right person, and 1/2 chance of killing a gifted. Are you really going to risk killing a gifted on odds like that? We need the ranger alive and we need the seer alive.

That mess will definitely sort itself out. Just leave it be for now and don't risk our gifted on something you can't be sure of.
Agreed, and just repeating it to prove the point.
I agree that we should leave them be. If Wilwa is the seer, then the wolves can kill Pitchie. But then we know that Hakon's a wolf, and we can lynch him. If Hakon's the seer, then they can't kill Pitchie toNight. But if Pitchie doesn't die, it doesn't prove that Hakon's the ranger, it just gives a bit more legitimacy to his claim. Therefore, we only know for sure who's the ranger if Pitchie dies toNight. I'm definitely not happy with that, but what can you do? :rolleyes:
By the way, this is actually a pretty good point too. So we WILL basically know the true Ranger by the next morning, even if the WWs don't kill the real one.

Brinn looks good to me, too, and sensible, by her posting.

I did not, this far, pay much attention to Nogrod, as I'd really need to go through his posts and focus on him in particular. Anyway, he's not around today, I may do that as long as there are not too many posts, let's see. I also want to check Nerwen. Somebody said that Kitanna may be good in fooling the village, it's true she seems genuine to me, but who knows. I am probably going to check these people as soon as I can. But now, I will probably leave and not sure how long before DL I'll come back (I have also other RL things to do). I will drop by, if nothing more, though.

[Nienna]

Ok I have to vote now. Nerwen's recent posts are making me wary. I'm not sure if it is just because of her close-mindedness about Morsul or not though. I'm going to keep my eye on her.

I'm really sorry that Nog isn't around to defend himself but I have no other person I'm comfortable with lynching.

++Nog

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Inziladun
Theoretically, Pitch could be a wolf, and his giving up SPM a plot to ensure his being thought innocent the rest of the game.
However, if Pitch survives beyond Day 3 or so, I would have to assume he was a wolf and go for him. Everyone knows that a revealed Seer is a dead Seer. It's only a matter of time. If he wasn't killed by the wolves after the oportunities for the Priest to protect him ran out, we'd have his number.
I do appreciate your giving me the all-clear though, as I am indeed innocent.


Okay, this is making me slightly uneasy, especially considering that Morsul indeed must be a fake. It looks like jumping on whatever train rides by, and maybe trying if there is a chance to get rid of the real Seer. On the other hand, perhaps it'd be slightly too uncautious from a wolf.

Interestingly, Zil was pretty ready to cast doubt on Pitch's reveal yesterDay, too. Of course, that's before we knew SPM's role.


By the way, and this was asked before, maybe we should ask McCabber Himself, how many WWs are around, then? There is nothing on the Admin thread about it, and the first narration says something about "four paws", though that is by no means anything official.

There are three.

You three, go to the city of Innsmouth. Find the root of the problem, and destroy it.

EDIT: X'd with Nienna.

[Nerwen]

Ok I have to vote now. Nerwen's recent posts are making me wary. I'm not sure if it is just because of her close-mindedness about Morsul or not though. I'm going to keep my eye on her.

Fine by me... by why is it so important to you that people be open-minded about him? It's not as though I'm proposing to lynch him.


I'm really sorry that Nog isn't around to defend himself but I have no other person I'm comfortable with lynching.

++Nog

Why Nogrod? Because of Roa's points on him?

[wilwarin538]

Meanwhile, I'm not all that keen on Wilwa's willingness to believe Morsul (see #164).



Well at the beginning of the Day Pitch's first post just struck me the wrong way, but I wasn't planning to say anything right away, well honestly cause I didn't want to look bad. So when Morsul revealed I was more inclined to believe him, since Pitch had already looked suspicious to me. Obviously now I don't believe Morsul anymore. He's the Agent, he has to be, so I don't understand why people have voted for him, we should just leave him alone and try to get a wolf. The agent is harmless out in the open, they do far more damage when they're still hidden. So we're lucky here.

Now. This may make alot of sense, but it also may not, to me it does anyway. I think me, Hakon and Pitch will all still be alive tomorrow. Because Hakon is wolf, so they're not gonna kill him. And they're not gonna kill me cause they're gonna want Hakon to continue to look good, and in order to do that they have to keep Pitch alive (since that's who he's supposedly "protecting") and me being dead, well it'll reveal who I really am and the wolves don't want that right now.

So we know we get atleast one more dream out of Pitch (two actually because I can protect him the next Night). I don't think he should waste that dream on me, Morsul or Hakon. We already know Morsul is the Agent, no reason to waste a dream on that, and you all know either me or Hakon are the Priest and a Wolf. So therefore the dream should go towards someone else all together. Make sense?

So my vote won't go to Hakon or Morsul, I'm gonna look at everyone else and try to figure out who the other wolf is.

[Nogrod]

I'm finally back from the cosmological excavations and only starting to read (you know those days when everything you do takes double the time you think it will take...).

But I should be able to stick to the end toDay.

I'll try to get a grasp of what is going on first.

[Nerwen]

Now. This may make alot of sense, but it also may not, to me it does anyway. I think me, Hakon and Pitch will all still be alive tomorrow. Because Hakon is wolf, so they're not gonna kill him. And they're not gonna kill me cause they're gonna want Hakon to continue to look good, and in order to do that they have to keep Pitch alive (since that's who he's supposedly "protecting") and me being dead, well it'll reveal who I really am and the wolves don't want that right now.

So we know we get atleast one more dream out of Pitch (two actually because I can protect him the next Night). I don't think he should waste that dream on me, Morsul or Hakon. We already know Morsul is the Agent, no reason to waste a dream on that, and you all know either me or Hakon are the Priest and a Wolf. So therefore the dream should go towards someone else all together. Make sense?

No. You're saying that – contrary to our assumptions– the village will learn nothing about yours and Hakon's roles from toNight's kill? Then I'd say the Seer should definitely dream one of you!

[wilwarin538]

No. You're saying that – contrary to our assumptions– the village will learn nothing about yours and Hakon's roles from toNight's kill? Then I'd say the Seer should definitely dream one of you!

But eventually one of us will be found out for what we really are (cause the wolves will eventually kill me and then you'll know what Hakon really is, or something will occur that will make it obvious which of us is what), if we have a limited number of dreams we should use them on those we have absolutely no idea about. You already know one of us has to be a wolf, and one of us has to be telling the truth. Everyone else we have no idea about, the more information we get the better. A dream on me, Hakon or Morsul would be a waste.

I have to get some studying done, like really badly. I'll be back for the last hour of the day. I'll decide then whom to vote for, right now I have no idea.

[Nogrod]

Intermediary report:

Just finished page 4... what a bunch of crazy people... :rolleyes:

[Roa_Aoife]

I'm back and catching up. I'll post my next analysis as soon as I'm done with it, which shouldn't take too long as the post counts are somewhat low and I'm sticking to Day 1, at least initially.

[Roa_Aoife]

Intermediary report:

Just finished page 4... what a bunch of crazy people... :rolleyes:

You have no idea.

[Nogrod]

You have no idea.I see... so Wilwa as well...

Okay I have a bunch of posts yet to be read but what caught my eye in the earlier stages is the interesting number of quite improbable things happening eg. the seer picking on exactly the one that was killed (possible but improbable) and a ranger daring to not protect the seer (looking at the circumstances a clever & risky move indeed!).

And despite all this, I happened to see that Nienna had voted for me...

I'm getting hunches we might have the whole trio & the agent for us in quite a small circle of people.

But okay, back to catch up with the rest...

[Roa_Aoife]

Okay, I actually agree somewhat with Wilwa: The wolves could easily just leave the seer and the ranger alive tonight to continue the charade tomorrow. They're stuck with it now since one of them has pulled this move. They may gamble and try to continue. It would be incredibly risky on their parts, but they've already come out with a false reveal which is always risky.

I think that this whole plan points to inexperienced though not necessarily new players. They had the advantage until they drew the spotlight onto themselves with a false reveal. Someone who has tried that or seen it tried would know how dangerous that is.

I strongly advise Hakon, IF you are the real ranger to not try another gamble tonight, because if you do and Pitch dies, we will surely lynch you.

[Roa_Aoife]

This also makes me less suspicious of Nogrod, as I don't think he would ever suggest to his fellow wolf to try this.

Okay, Lari first. Back soon.

[Nerwen]

Okay, I actually agree somewhat with Wilwa: The wolves could easily just leave the seer and the ranger alive tonight to continue the charade tomorrow. They're stuck with it now since one of them has pulled this move. They may gamble and try to continue.

Not if they're smart, they won't. There's a way out of that one– which obviously I am not going to explain now, in case they haven't thought of it.

I'm just saying , I don't think we can be at all sure what the wolves are going to do toNight.

It would be incredibly risky on their parts, but they've already come out with a false reveal which is always risky.

I think that this whole plan points to inexperienced though not necessarily new players. They had the advantage until they drew the spotlight onto themselves with a false reveal. Someone who has tried that or seen it tried would know how dangerous that is.

But neither of the two is a new player, not really, so what's your point? Or are you talking about the unknown third wolf as well? I don't think we can draw any conclusions about that party, since I doubt the reveal was planned.

The big question is, why reveal? What does it get them?

This also makes me less suspicious of Nogrod, as I don't think he would ever suggest to his fellow wolf to try this.

If the wolf's Hakon, he would have done it anyway.:rolleyes:

[Roa_Aoife]

Lari

Day 1

Post 1- Slight suspicion towards SPM, doesn't think Day 1 is going to be useful, wants to be optimistic

Okay, standard first post early in the Day. She reiterates what's been said, agrees with some people, then pops back out. Her slight suspicion of SPM is interesting here. Could be a fellow wolf distancing herself. Could be she spottted something before the rest of us.

Post 2- Response to SPM, suggests he may be the Agent, doesn't like Hakon's point about SPM, doesn't think Craydon's question will lead anywhere

Interesting theory on SPM, though the premise is weak at best, and she suspects Hakon for having a reason to suspect SPM that is as weak as hers.

Post 3- Vote count and List:
Innocent/ Not suspicious: Inzil, Pitch, Wilwa, Roa, Crayon, Nienna, Legate, Morsul
Unsure/ No read: Nogrod, Nerwen, Kitanna
Needs Watching/ Suspicious: Loslote, Hakon, SPM, Brinn

She gives short explanations for each view, which I appreciate. However, she builds her suspicion of Hakon using an out of context statement by SPM and feeds each one into the other, making a circular argument. Could be an innocent trying to give reason to her gut, or could be a wolf building a weak case to distance herself from her fellow.

Post 4- Response to Nogrod. doesn't find Nienna's reaction suspicious, Vote count

I don't have a problem with her response to Nogrod. In fact this is the primary reason I suspect him. I dislike the lack of solid cases from her, but I don't know if that's just her style. *thinks of Valier*

Post 5- Is wary of Pitch's reveal. Was thinking of voting SPM anyways, but was also considering Hakon.

I can understand her wariness- she wasn't the only one and a revealing gifted is always slightly suspicious (not even counting when there are counter-reveals.) I don't see what her case is against Hakon, but then I didn't really understand anyone's case against Hakon on Day 1. Her consideration of voting Hakon looks almost like a wolf trying to salvage a situation gone horribly wrong.

Post 6- Votes SPM

Can't glean much from this as it came post seer reveal.

Day 2

Post 1- "Seems" that SPM's death confirms Pitch as seer

Seems?

Post 2- reaction to the mass reveals:
Dreamers- seriously doubts Morsul but believes him to be the Agent.
Priests- No idea what to think about that, but thinks wilwa is less suspicious than Hakon
Is generally very confused

Well, at least she has stayed consistent on her suspicion of Hakon

The most suspicious thing about her is her case against Hakon and SPM, which was weak and based on pure assumption. A poor case is not always a sign of a wolf. I don't see why she suspects Hakon. She basically says that he's suspicious because he's acting like himself, which seems like a very made up reason to me.

Edit: crossed with Nerwen

[Brinniel]

By the way, this is actually a pretty good point too. So we WILL basically know the true Ranger by the next morning, even if the WWs don't kill the real one.
Not necessarily. Our true ranger could be bluffing about who they protected. I kinda doubt Hakon would bluff if he's the real ranger, though a ranger wilwa could easily be. But we can't eliminate that possibility for either of them.

Well at the beginning of the Day Pitch's first post just struck me the wrong way, but I wasn't planning to say anything right away, well honestly cause I didn't want to look bad. So when Morsul revealed I was more inclined to believe him, since Pitch had already looked suspicious to me. Obviously now I don't believe Morsul anymore. He's the Agent, he has to be, so I don't understand why people have voted for him, we should just leave him alone and try to get a wolf. The agent is harmless out in the open, they do far more damage when they're still hidden. So we're lucky here.

Now. This may make alot of sense, but it also may not, to me it does anyway. I think me, Hakon and Pitch will all still be alive tomorrow. Because Hakon is wolf, so they're not gonna kill him. And they're not gonna kill me cause they're gonna want Hakon to continue to look good, and in order to do that they have to keep Pitch alive (since that's who he's supposedly "protecting") and me being dead, well it'll reveal who I really am and the wolves don't want that right now.

So we know we get atleast one more dream out of Pitch (two actually because I can protect him the next Night). I don't think he should waste that dream on me, Morsul or Hakon. We already know Morsul is the Agent, no reason to waste a dream on that, and you all know either me or Hakon are the Priest and a Wolf. So therefore the dream should go towards someone else all together. Make sense?
This post just makes me a bit more uneasy about wilwa.

Theoretically, Pitch could be a wolf, and his giving up SPM a plot to ensure his being thought innocent the rest of the game.
However, if Pitch survives beyond Day 3 or so, I would have to assume he was a wolf and go for him. Everyone knows that a revealed Seer is a dead Seer. It's only a matter of time. If he wasn't killed by the wolves after the oportunities for the Priest to protect him ran out, we'd have his number.
I do appreciate your giving me the all-clear though, as I am indeed innocent.
Legate just made a really good point about this quote. A wolf Inzil wouldn't want to eliminate the possibility that Pitch could be lying so that if the wolves decide to intentionally leave him alive then we'll start to doubt Pitch's innocence and lynch him. It'd be a risky move to leave a seer alive and dreaming, though perhaps our wolves are afraid to kill him anyway with the possibility of hitting the ranger's protection and would rather have the village take care of him. Another thing that worries me about this quote is that last line. Anyone who clearly states "I am innocent" always makes me wary because someone who is really innocent does not need to emphasize or reassure that truth unless they are being heavily suspected at the time.

I'm finding Inzil as rather creepy. His posts remind me a bit from last time he was a wolf, though it's possible I may be mixing up what I find to be wolfish behaviour with what his general playing style is.

[Inziladun]

Now. This may make alot of sense, but it also may not, to me it does anyway. I think me, Hakon and Pitch will all still be alive tomorrow. Because Hakon is wolf, so they're not gonna kill him. And they're not gonna kill me cause they're gonna want Hakon to continue to look good, and in order to do that they have to keep Pitch alive (since that's who he's supposedly "protecting") and me being dead, well it'll reveal who I really am and the wolves don't want that right now.

I don't know that wolves would leave a generally accepted seer alive, just to keep up a charade by one of their number. I think the logic there is a bit flawed.
I do think the seer / ranger confusion ought not to be a concern of ours when it comes to votes right now.

Nog makes me a bit uneasy. There just seemed to be a common vibe between him and SPM yesterDay. That could have been an intention of SPM though, I suppose.

Loslote's vote on Pitch looked as though she was grasping at suspicion of Pitch started by Nog and SPM. GrantedSPM did vote for her, but wolf-on-wolf should not be considered out of the question there. One vote, against a fellow who had no others I don't think would be particularly risky, and would serve to create some distance between the two of them. Then again, those who know SPM well seem to think voting for a fellow on Day 1 would be out of character for him.

Nerwen seems pretty trustworthy to me, as does Roa.

Brinn also gives no cause for alarm at the moment.

Lari was saying SPM needed watching early on. She expressed some doubt about Pitch's reveal. I can't fault her for that, since it caught me by surprise too.

Craydon has been here. Votes for Morsul, which I think is a bit of a waste. No bad feeling about him though.

Kitanna has been somewhat under the radar for me. I can't recall anything that's given me much pause, but I haven't read over her posts carefully.

Legate seems like he might need watching for some reason, but it's nothing I can can out my finger on. It's not in anything in particular he's said; more the tone I guess.

Nienna might be the one I am most wary of now. There was the incident yesterDay with Morsul and his vote for her. She voted for Pitch, and like Loslote could have been picking up things thrown out about him by others to justify her vote. She said she thought Morsul's reveal had a joking quality to it, and thought Nerwen was 'closed minded' about Morsul. I thought Nerwen had been making quite a bit of sense. Has also voted Nog today. Hmm.

x/d with several

[Roa_Aoife]

Not if they're smart, they won't. There's a way out of that one– which obviously I am not going to explain now, in case they haven't thought of it.

I'm just saying , I don't think we can be at all sure what the wolves are going to do toNight.

Which is exactly what I was saying- we don't know what they will do toNight. So assuming that the kill will completely settle our question of the ranger's identity is faulty and leads us into a trap that the wolves can easily use. Which was my point.


But neither of the two is a new player, not really, so what's your point? Or are you talking about the unknown third wolf as well? I don't think we can draw any conclusions about that party, since I doubt the reveal was planned.

I'm not 100% on the idea, but it seems more likely. Of the mess, I've only played with Wilwa before my long absence, so I have no idea about the rest and the experience as players.

The big question is, why reveal? What does it get them?

A very confused village, for one. The possibility of a lynched gifted, for two. Depending on which of our two rangers is the real one, possibly the identity of the ranger. (Which only works if Wilwa is the real ranger, and I'm leaning towards Hakon at the moment.)


If the wolf's Hakon, he would have done it anyway.:rolleyes:

If this wasn't planned, then I imagine the third wolf is panicking right now.

Edit: Crossed with Brinn down

[Inziladun]

Legate just made a really good point about this quote. A wolf Inzil wouldn't want to eliminate the possibility that Pitch could be lying so that if the wolves decide to intentionally leave him alive then we'll start to doubt Pitch's innocence and lynch him. It'd be a risky move to leave a seer alive and dreaming, though perhaps our wolves are afraid to kill him anyway with the possibility of hitting the ranger's protection and would rather have the village take care of him. Another thing that worries me about this quote is that last line. Anyone who clearly states "I am innocent" always makes me wary because someone who is really innocent does not need to emphasize or reassure that truth unless they are being heavily suspected at the time.

My intention with that post was to shoot Morsul down. If I was a wolf, and he'd just declared me innocent (as he did) why would I seek to tear down his claim? I could have run with it and tried to cast doubt on Pitch. Instead, I have defended Pitch as the legitmate Dreamer (because he is).

[Roa_Aoife]

Okay, I'll try to get through Inzil in a hurry, since DL is approaching.

[Nogrod]

So three wolves.

One, spm, is dead.

One is most likely, very likely, either Hakon or wilwa.

So just one left?

When reading I had a sense that people were too ready to give the "revealed-four" a free ride (and I actually started suspecting you Roa on it), but looking at it now and seeing that we have 16 villagers left I do agree that we can afford not lynching anyone of those four as some things might actually reveal themselves based on the choices of the wolves & the gifteds. At least a Day or two.


And let me be the tenth person to say, yes, Morsul looks perfectly like a cobbler (agent).

Although, looking at the numbers we might sure afford lynching him as well if we met a dead end and were too insecure one Day. This just for the possibility that it would be an interersting idea that he'd chosen to play a downright newbie cobbler but is a wolf indeed (SPM might have been involved in planning that) as people would be hesitant to lynch "clear cobblers". I mean somehow the way he plays is off any newbieness - so wether he's just having fun with the role in his first game or then that is a delibarate act to protect him from lynching.

That would mean that the possible daring tactics was not thought of to the end?


Or then the third one is one totally different and "far away" from these four, well three, well two (of whom one is her/his mate that is)... Maybe someone trying now to make her/himself good seeing so clearly how it goes? Or maybe trying to save her/himself some company by demanding none of the controversial people to be killed...

Anyway that reasonable person should be raving mad to her/his last companion for making that bold revelation-move and threathening to leave her/him alone after Day2 in a village of 16!



I can't say which one looks more genuine, Hakon or wilwa, but if wilwa is a wolf and Nienna is as well I will gloat for a jackpot indeed...

Okay, quite a many other options open as well... :confused:


I see a host of long posts being made... so back to reading.

[wilwarin538]

OK, so my friday class has been moved up (really dumb prof) so I have to leave way sooner then I expected. Therefore I have to vote now. :(

Honestly, I've been so focused on all these reveals I've barely looked at anyone else, but one thing that stuck out was how Nienna claimed that Nerwen was "closed minded" about Morsul. That just doesn't make much sense to me. I know that's flimsy, but I just don't have the time I expected to have to look closer at other people. Uh, this sucks.

++Nienna

So I'm sure I'll still be here tomorrow, I can't see the wolves killing me and leaving HakonWolf out in the open like that. I really hope Pitch that you don't waste your dream on one of us, like I explained before.

Good luck everyone! Sorry I couldn't stick around like I promised.

[Loslote]

My vote is totally rushed. I apologize in advance for that. However,

++ Nogrod because that last post sounded off to me. It seemed like he was either trying to get one of the 'revealed' lynched, when we've already decided to mostly leave them be - or trying to throw suspicion on Roa for making strong points...

Argh. This vote is barely better than my last one...he is my top suspicion, so I'll go with Nog, but...:confused:

[Inziladun]

I don't think I like either one of these.

Honestly, I've been so focused on all these reveals I've barely looked at anyone else, but one thing that stuck out was how Nienna claimed that Nerwen was "closed minded" about Morsul. That just doesn't make much sense to me. I know that's flimsy, but I just don't have the time I expected to have to look closer at other people. Uh, this sucks.

++Nienna

I could be wrong, but that really looks like just latching on to what I said about Nienna a few posts ago. I'd been thinking Wilwa the likely legitimate Priest, mainly because Hakon seemed so reckless. Now I have doubts.

++ Nogrod because that last post sounded off to me. It seemed like he was either trying to get one of the 'revealed' lynched, when we've already decided to mostly leave them be - or trying to throw suspicion on Roa for making strong points...

I don't see that Nog was saying either of those things, really. Seems a bit of a reach.

[Nogrod]

My vote is totally rushed.
Heh... you're most true with that vote being "totally rushed" indeed.

It's nothing unusual I lead the votes but I would like to have my posts read before voting on them and saying there were things there were not... :confused:

Still I'm drawn to think spm would not have tried to make a weak case on Loslote on Day1 if she were his mate. Okay, I'm not totally disreputing that idea either. Maybe he could have done it knowing we wouldn't bite on it on Day1 and would thence leave her as more innocent than not?

Hard to say.

[Nerwen]

A very confused village, for one. The possibility of a lynched gifted, for two. Depending on which of our two rangers is the real one, possibly the identity of the ranger. (Which only works if Wilwa is the real ranger, and I'm leaning towards Hakon at the moment.)

This is the problem: indeed a Hakonwolf would have considerably more motive for making a false reveal than a Wolfwarin, just because of the order in which the reveals happened. But Wilwarin's argument about why she, Pitch and Hakon will surely be alive tomorrow bugs me. Not that her reasoning is unsound– but the thing is, a Wolfwarin would need to make an argument like that, since if Hakon's telling the truth, the wolves can't kill the Seer toNight, whereas if it's Wilwa they can if they choose to. And, of course, she'd want to avoid being dreamed.

On the other hand, she could be trying to convince the wolves they should refrain from killing her or the Dreamer.

EDIT:X'd with a host.

[Lariren Shadow]

Post 1- "Seems" that SPM's death confirms Pitch as seer

Seems?

"Seems" because at the time I still had the thought of "maybe Pitch "revealed"(ha now I can spell that) so as to get raid of the high profile wolf". And then Morsul revealed and I began to believe Pitch more because, really, that was an awkward reveal.

I was going to do a whole list but I really don't have the ability to function that well yet. As far as the reveals go, I honestly do think there is a wolf in the Ranger ones. I just really don't like Hakon's reveal, mostly because it was totally out of the blue and such. Yes, there was suspicion of him yesterDay but not enough to make him think people would vote him toDay(I think). Though this is sort of what made me doubt Pitch's reveal, he had only two votes, and was the second to get those votes. But now he(Pitch) seems to be the real deal. Does that mean Hakon was following his lead? No idea, but it is interesting.

For the major talkers who haven't come out with "I'm a something"(I'm kind of waiting for a "just kidding, I'm a lover cause we totally have secret lovers!" kind of reveal): Roa is not setting off any alarms with me and neither is Legate. Nog I just have no read on at all, because he is acting like Nog and I tend to not be able to read him at all. Inzil I still have no idea and wish I had more time to look at not just him but also Nog to see if there is anything in their posts.

*is not even going to go any further on any of the revealed*

Nienna is beginning to set off alarms for me. Taking her defense on Day 1 with her vote post(so she doesn't like Nerwen's closemindness about what was kind of a bad fake reveal...but votes Nog? I honestly can't see the logic in that one, because she says she's not comfortable voting for Nerwen...but she is for Nog?)

Brinn and Kitanna I just want to see slightly more of. They both are coming up way neutral to me and I'm not sure if thats a good thing or not.

Crayon...no idea what to think.

Bah I have to think of someone to vote for and right now, without even thinking about reveals, it seems I might be voting for Nienna.

Well if I'm going to do it then I might as well do it now. I really don't like how she's looking at the moment.

++Nienna

Now, I'm going to try to go back to bed.

Edit: x-posted since post 240.

[Inziladun]

Hakon --> Wilwa
Morsul --> Hakon
Craydon --> Morsul
Nienna --> Nog
Wilwa --> Nienna
Loslote --> Nog (2)
Lari --> Nienna (2)

x'd with Lari

[Roa_Aoife]

Inzil

Day 1

Post 1- In character

Post 2- Agrees with Greenie.

Post 3- Banter

First 3 post have no substance. Not necessarily wolvish, but slightly annoying.

Post 4- Thinks Nogrod and SPM were over-reacting to Pitchwife's words

Well, they were.

Post 5- Banter with Crayon

Post 6- Says Day 1 isn't completely random but a voting record is helpful

Six posts in and only one had any meaning, which was slight and not pursued.

Post 7- Response to Hakon's vote and comment about SPM

Very calm, but then Nienna was getting in trouble for not being calm about Morsul's vote

Post 8- Agrees with SPM's suspicion of Loslote, thinks Loslote is grasping onto SPM suspicion of Pitch, Thinks Nienna is suspicious, doesn't want to go for Hakon toDay

He suspects Loslote for following SPM's suspicions, but isn't that what he himself is doing?

Post 9- Thinks that Pitch's vote looks bandwagony

I thought so to, so I can hardly hold that against him.

Post 10- Tells Pitch his reveal was premature

Post 11- Votes SPM

Post 12- Says Pitch could be the Agent but it's better to go with it for now

Post 13- Reiterates that we should see what happens

I can't get anything from the vote, nor any of his posts past Pitch's reveal. He makes a lot of posts, and only a few have anything worth commenting on.

Day 2

Post 1- Is sure that Pitch is the true seer. Decides to check out Greenie.

Post 2- Says that Greenie was no trail kill

Post 3- Response to Nienna, restates his suspicion of Loslote

Post 4- Response to Hakon, tells him to protect Pitch and tells him he shouldn't have revealed

Pretty standard, very little to comment on these first four posts

Post 5- Asks who Morsul dreamed of besides him.

Post 6- Wish's Roa luck with analysis

Um, Thank you?

Post 7- Tells Morsul that he has trouble believing him and explains why the scenario doesn't work.

People are using this as evidence against him, but they are ignoring the very first sentence. Inzil in no way supports Morsul as seer, but instead shows why Pitch can't be a wolf. I take his last comment as sarcasm, not a declaration of innocense.

Post 8- Thinks Hakon is more likely to be a fraud

I can see his reasoning, though I don't agree with it.

Post 9- Wonders is Morsul is the Agent or a wolf.

Post 10- Thinks Hakon and Morsul are the wolf and agent. Thinks Roa's analysis on Nogrod was good. Seems to ask what other people think of Nog.

It looks like Inzil is jumping on my analysis and trying to stir up people to go with it. Or it could be that I'm freaking out because someone is actually using my analysis for once instead of saying, "Roa sounds reasonable, but she can so tricksy, let's not listen to her." It's throwing me off.

Post 11- Thinks Wilwa's logic is flawed, continues with suspicion of Nog, continues with suspicion of Loslote, Thinks Nerwen, Roa, Brinn, Lari, and Crayon are innocent, doesn't have a read on Kitanna, thinks something is off about Legate, is most suspicious of Nienna due to her reaction to Morsul, her vote for Pitch, and her comments about Morsul's reveal

Well this is the first of Nienna, aside from a small note on Day 1 which was little more than agreeing with Legate. I want to see an elaboration of his points.

Post 12- Response to Brinniel

I can't fault him on that- I think Brinniel and Legate are taking what he said out of context.

Post 13- Doesn't like Wilwa's or Loslote's votes. Has doubts about Wilwa now

His suspicion of Loslote is at least consistent.

Post 14- vote count

I can't get a good read on him. He talks alot but he doesn't say much. Most of his suspicions seem to come from other people first, which is what he suspects Loslote for.


Also, I'm interested in why Morsul picked him for his false reveal. He only picked me after he was asked. So Morsul, if it's not too much trouble, why start with Inzil as your revealed innocent?

[Roa_Aoife]

This is the problem: indeed a Hakonwolf would have considerably more motive for making a false reveal than a Wolfwarin, just because of the order in which the reveals happened. But Wilwarin's argument about why she, Pitch and Hakon will surely be alive tomorrow bugs me. Not that her reasoning is unsound– but the thing is, a Wolfwarin would need to make an argument like that, since if Hakon's telling the truth, the wolves can't kill the Seer toNight, whereas if it's Wilwa they can if they choose to. And, of course, she'd want to avoid being dreamed.


Hence the if's in my statement. As my father would say, we are in violent agreement.

[Inziladun]

I'm pretty much out of time here.

Wilwa's reasoning for Nienna struck me as suspicious, since she used almost the same wording as in my post. I was going to vote for Nienna myself, though.

Blast.

++ Nienna

And may I be right.

[Nogrod]

Well, any ideas?

wilwa, Hakon and morsul have one vote a piece and we will not lynch them toDay.

So after that Nienna and me have two votes *. I'd be quite ready to check Nienna as I thought herself suspicious already yesterDay, and toDay I have sadly had just a short time to read and not any time for major analysis.

I'm more confused with Inzil, and it's sad to say that somehow I felt him more lupine yesterDay and in the beginning of toDay when he was so ready to point fingers at my direction but now as he has changed his tone a bit I tend to see much sense in his posts... heh, that's what you get when you're not having decent time to really read people... :confused:

But this one I would like to point out anyway...
If I was a wolf, and he'd just declared me innocent (as he did) why would I seek to tear down his claim? I could have run with it and tried to cast doubt on Pitch. Instead, I have defended Pitch as the legitmate Dreamer (because he is).I think you wouldn't tried that were you a wolf... As a smart person you must have realised that no one is going to believe him, at least after a while (okay, I'm not sure now at what definite moment you made your remarks and have no time to check it). But what I'm saying is that your "denial" of the "revealed innocense" is no proof of your innocense either - but that a smart wolf would have done just that as well as any innocent.

Although I think a wolf would be more ready to speculate about that claimed innocense, like you add the little "well, you were right anyway as I'm an innocent anyway" -thing. But that maybe too much of a personality-driven issue that I don't think it points to either way especially.

EDIT: X'd from Roa's analysis...

* correction: Nienna 3 three votes

[Nerwen]

And you see, I'm now second-guessing myself on Nienna, for the same reasons the Inzil gives.

But who to vote for, then?