WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[Nienna]

I'm around now. Sorry I've been gone with work and such. I'll be around now until I decide it's bedtime... which will most likely be a few hours before deadline.

Phantom, Phantom, Phantom... what are you up to? I don't trust you at all... Nerwen as Persephone? Interesting theory but I don't know as it is conclusive. So if Nerwen is Persephone who is Hades? That is the more important question in my opinion.

Voting:

Kath --> BG(1/7), Nog (2/5), No Vote, Rikae
Mira --> BG (5/7), No Vote, Phantom, Rikae
Zil --> BG (2/7), Steve (5/8), Tum (1/4), Rikae
Nienna --> Steve (2/5), Steve (4/8), Tum (4/4), Rikae
Nerwen --> Nog, Steve (8/8), Nog (5/5), Rikae
Folwren --> Steve (1/5), No Vote, Lottie (4/4), Rikae
Lalaith --> Boro, Steve (1/8), Lottie (1/4), Rikae
Shasta --> Steve (3/5), Nog (1/5), No Vote, Rikae
Phantom --> No Vote, Steve (6/8), Nog (4/5), Sally
Sally --> BG (3/7), No Vote, Nog (2/5), Foley

Edit: x-ed

[Folwren]

I actually have been thinking at least one of our remaining wolves is one of the quiet ones. It makes me cranky, because I don't like lynching people because they're quiet. On the other hand, they're not adding anything to the game, and it is very late in the game so they should have participated at least some by now, and if they ARE a wolf, they will continue to slide under the radar.

Edit: X-posted with Nienna.

[the phantom]

Who do YOU suspect is a wolf, Phantom?
I don't think so.

I laid the bread-crumbs to Persephone's door. You have to find the wolf. My part is done (other than my general noise-making of course). :p

[Folwren]

I'm off for a while. I am not sure when I'll be back.

Edit: X-posted with Phantom. Meanie.

[Kath]

Kath: BG; Nog; (no vote); Rikae

Foley: Eonwe; (no vote); Lottie; Rikae

Nienna: Eonwe; Eonwe; Tum (this was after wilwa AND Rikae and put Tum ahead of Lottie - veeery bold if a wolf);

Nerwen: Nog; Eonwe (clinched the lynch); Nog (clinched the lynch); Rikae

Lalaith: Boro; Eonwe; Lottie (clinched it); Rikae

Shasta: Eonwe; Nog; (no vote); Rikae

Mira: BG (late, really pushing the bandwagon - not that dangerous for a wolf Day 1 given the reasons behind this lynch); (no vote); phantom; Rikae

phantom: Eonwe; Eonwe; Nog; sally

sally: BG; (no vote); Nog; Folwren

*sigh* And as I finish this I realise Nienna has done one. But anyway from that I guess Nerwen and Lalaith appear most wolvish. But it depends on playing style I think. Nerwen might be bold enough to live with that kind of voting record and play it off as 'would I really do that as a wolf?'. But then we have different thoughts on her role. Lalaith probably not, but might be inexperienced enough as a wolf to simply have the final vote. Anyone know? Nienna voting after the two known wolves makes her look more innocent.

Hmm maybe I'm wrong about Mira. There was a sudden burst of energy on Day 3. No trigger. No wolves had died.

So, Lalaith maybe for me toDay.

[Kath]

Bedtime for me, so yeah:

++LALAITH

[satansaloser2005]

Seriously, have you people even READ my posts?

I'm going to go cry in a corner until someone of my intelligence comes along. And it isn't looking like I'll be out anytime soon.

[the phantom]

If only your requirement had been someone beyond your intelligence...

And instead of complaining about people not reading your posts, why don't you just be more plain and obvious? ;)

[satansaloser2005]

If only your requirement had been someone beyond your intelligence...

And instead of complaining about people not reading your posts, why don't you just be more plain and obvious? ;)

God is busy laughing at your feeble attempt to get me to come out. (That's not what she said.)


Glirdaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn! *whines*

I have a funny joke, but I don't think I can post it. Glirdamod might get cross with me.

[the phantom]

I'm getting sick of your hinting. Let's just get it out there...

You're saying that you are Hestia, and that when you as the Mythomaniac selected Tum on Night 2, not only did you inherit her gift (Seership), but you also inherited her dreams. I would've outed you long before, but I thought it'd be unsporting. But now, I'm thinking you deserve it.

[satansaloser2005]

You are kidding, right?

....or....

You've selected the wrong virgin. Please collect your two cents from the tray labelled "fail" and try again.


ETA: Oh, forget it, I'm leaving the original version (;)) in unless someone tells me I need to remove it. It's not like the statement is inappropriate.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

You are kidding, right?

....or....

You've selected the wrong virgin. Please collect your two cents from the tray labelled "fail" and try again.


ETA: Oh, forget it, I'm leaving the original version (;)) in unless someone tells me I need to remove it. It's not like the statement is inappropriate.

Well, there seems to be only one other virgin role alive, so....?

And this analysis of Lalaith is not coming along as well as I'd hoped. It may be up in the next hour or so.

[the phantom]

Sally, Sally...

*shakes head and snickers*

Did you know that it's completely possible I know exactly who you are, and I'm just driving you nuts on purpose because I know you can't say too much on the matter?

[satansaloser2005]

*pokes head out, looks at Shasta*

And just whoooo are you, strange person? Well, go on, who are you?

....

....

....

....


Maybe we could become buddies and make friendship bracelets and play Risk all night long and in the morning we could go out for pancakes. Surely you eat pancakes? Pancakes (and other sweet breakfast foods) conquer all!


EDIT: x'd with Phantom. This post, of course, was directed toward Shasta.

[satansaloser2005]

Sally, Sally...

*shakes head and snickers*

Did you know that it's completely possible I know exactly who you are, and I'm just driving you nuts on purpose because I know you can't say too much on the matter?

I know. In fact, I'm pretty sure everyone knows who I am, so I'm just being annoying with hints because I know that anyone who wants to have me lynched is clearly either stupid, evil, both, or just hasn't been reading the thread.


Foley, which are you? :Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

Besides, Phantom, I really couldn't let the game finish without at least one virgin joke. You know me. :Merisu:

[the phantom]

Whatever. I want to lynch you and I am none of those things.

[satansaloser2005]

Whatever. I want to lynch you and I am none of those things.

Clearly you're at least one, because you missed the only really important hint I ever gave.


Incidentally, since we're sharing, who are you then?

....

That's what I thought.

[satansaloser2005]

Also, this game bores me. Let me break down the village for you.

Kath: quiet
Mira: quiet
Nienna: quiet
Nerwen: Nerwen
Folwren: evil
Lalaith: quiet
Shasta: quiet
Phantom: ....
Sally: shiny

Notice how there's a lot of one word? I don't like it. :(

[Nienna]

I'm here. Being LOUD! ... not that I have anything particularly helpful to contribute.

How about a list?

Definitely Innocent:
Nienna

Most probably innocent and won't be voting:
Sally
Meeper

Confusing/quiet and won't be voting:
Kath
Foley
Shasta

Could Vote:
Nerwen
Lalaith
Phantom

[Lalaith]

Notice how there's a lot of one word? I don't like it.
I know. Sorry, I have been quiet for the last couple of days for RL reasons...and indeed, the whole village has, as Sally pointed out, been quiet. Remarkably little reading to catch up on.
Kath, I have no problem with you voting for me, all fair´s in love and werewolf, after all, but I don´t really understand your analysis. What do you mean I clinched the lynch for Lottie? I was the second to vote for her after Nogs did. She wasn´t lynched, she was killed by wolves that Night, Nogs was the one who was lynched.
(Just noticed that Nienna's vote tally is therefore also inaccurate as she puts me first of 4 to vote for Lottie that day)
The Nerwen = Persephone theory is interesting and plausible enough but we need to lynch wolves now...I really don´t think Nerwen is a wolf.
I too picked up on the drinking comment and wondered if Kath were the cursed. Her protests of innocence did seem quite sincere though. Hmmm.
Mira - well by her own admission she´s not been paying the game full attention, but I´ve known non-committal wolves before this. I don´t think it absolves her from attention or suspicion.
Sally - seems upset and noisy. Would a wolf be attracting attention to herself like this?
Phantom is still full of beans, and being inscrutable. Why?
Nienna - the defence by Rikae on day one, when she was put up for a lynching candidate, is definitely interesting.
Folwren - she seems nice and a bit confused about a lot of things. That of course doesn´t mean she can´t be a wolf.
Shasta - see Mira.
I don´t think I´ll be voting for Sally or Nerwen today. That´s as far as I´ve got in my decision-making.

[satansaloser2005]

Good girl. *pats head, gives cookie*


My own list then. Practice what you preach and all that.


Would love to vote....
Foley
Kath

Would vote if I didn't think it might end poorly
Glirdan :p

Considering the alignment of....
Shasta
Mira
Lal
Nienna

Probably innocent (if a bit insane)
Nerwen
Phantom

Pure genius
Sally


EDIT: x'd with Lal

[Folwren]

I know. In fact, I'm pretty sure everyone knows who I am, so I'm just being annoying with hints because I know that anyone who wants to have me lynched is clearly either stupid, evil, both, or just hasn't been reading the thread.

Dagnabit! What ARE you? This is ridiculously stupid. I'm so mad right now. Who the blank-a-de-blank are you?

All I've gotten out of your ridicluous posts are...ridiculousness that doesn't make heads nor tails, and it makes me mad, because it makes me look stupid and I don't like looking stupid, or it makes me look evil and I'm not!

Foley, which are you? :Merisu:

Stupid, okay? So just stow your gab and tell me in plain English WHO THE BLAZES ARE YOU?

Please.

[satansaloser2005]

Please.

No thank you.

[Nienna]

(Just noticed that Nienna's vote tally is therefore also inaccurate as she puts me first of 4 to vote for Lottie that day)


I apologize... you are correct and you were the second to give Lottie a vote. This doesn't make you any less suspicious in my mind though. A second vote is almost worst than a first. A first is risky to whomever gives it but a second?... not risky at all... the person already has support to be lynched and you are just helping it along.

[satansaloser2005]

Needless to say, Foley, I....well, I can't, actually.


ETA: How ridiculous can I be here exactly? As long as I don't say "I am *censored*" I'm technically following the rules. ;)

[Folwren]

Sorry for the outburst. I just lost my temper. I have never taken being called stupid very well.

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry for the outburst. I just lost my temper. I have never taken being called stupid very well.

Hey, I never said you were stupid. I said people were stupid, evil, both, or hasn't been reading the thread. (Read, reading the thread closely enough.)

Incidentally, all the "everyone else is stupid" talk? Biggest. Hint. Ever. (Besides the Risk and pancakes anyway.)

[Lalaith]

A second vote is almost worst than a first.
Hmm...what about your second vote for Steve on Day 2 then? ;)

There´s little to go on except banter at the moment. Sally, my sweet, what do you want us to do with your hints?

I want to reach a decision and go to bed but all I can come up with is a theory that Nienna and Kath are wolves together as they both seem to be trying to frame me with dodgy evidence. However, this is possibly just late-night paranoia on my part and coincidental carelessness on theirs.

[satansaloser2005]

There´s little to go on except banter at the moment. Sally, my sweet, what do you want us to do with your hints?

Enjoy the sweetness that is someone besides Peter Jackson controlling a subtlety mace. (Enjoy it while you can. I could only afford to rent it for a week.)

As for your suspects, I would be perfectly happy with a Kath lynch. What do you say?

[Lalaith]

What do you say?
I do have an aesthetic gaming issue with voting for someone who votes for me. It looks tacky.

However, on other fronts it is tempting. Kath´s analysis is oddly careless by her standards (and not just about me). Her increased participation co-incides with being two wolves down, which could be a stepping-into-the-breach operation. If she´s not a wolf I think she could (despite her protests to the contrary) be the cursed, so lynching her before the wolves turn her would be a pre-emptive strike.

[satansaloser2005]

I do have an aesthetic gaming issue with voting for someone who votes for me. It looks tacky.

However, on other fronts it is tempting. Kath´s analysis is oddly careless by her standards (and not just about me). Her increased participation co-incides with being two wolves down, which could be a stepping-into-the-breach operation. If she´s not a wolf I think she could (despite her protests to the contrary) be the cursed, so lynching her before the wolves turn her would be a pre-emptive strike.

Ahhhh, right you are, and fair enough.

However, the rest of this post also is fair. If you have a wolf, you lynch them, whether it looks opportunistic or not. (If that makes sense.) Basically you can't let the wolves get away just because voting for them is like wearing socks with sandals.


Also, what are your thoughts on Foley? And where the heck is Phantom?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

So my laptop fell off my bed while I was getting a drink of water and unplugged. Shasta no happy.

Analysis of Lalaith, the short version - aka What I Can Remember:

Is it just me, or is there an interesting Lalaith/Kath vibe today? First Kath leaves something that could be construed as a blatant Cursed-hint, and now Lal seems all for lynching her? After not going after Kath at all previously? I'm beginning to think one's a wolf and one's the cursed (if Eonwe wasn't). Trouble is, I'm not sure which is which. I think I'd be fine with lynching either one, though.

[Nerwen]

*sigh* And as I finish this I realise Nienna has done one. But anyway from that I guess Nerwen and Lalaith appear most wolvish. But it depends on playing style I think. Nerwen might be bold enough to live with that kind of voting record and play it off as 'would I really do that as a wolf?'. But then we have different thoughts on her role. Lalaith probably not, but might be inexperienced enough as a wolf to simply have the final vote.
How is my voting record "wolvish", Kath? Because I voted for innocents the first three Days? We now know that all votes cast by living players on the first three Days were for innocents. You were, technically, responsible for less of that than some people, simply because you failed to vote on Day Three. The point is, it doesn't matter who "clinched the lynch". In each case the alternative was innocent too. The only room for really "suspicious" voting, under the circumstances, would be voting tum after her reveal, and I don't think anyone did that. Finally, do you even know who was lynched on Day 3?
Lalaith: Boro; Eonwe; Lottie (clinched it); Rikae
Because you seem a bit confused on that score. So, um, yeah, what I said. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=636023&postcount=941)

And once again, I understand that it's hard to get back in the loop at this stage, and that you might be genuinely trying to make sense of things, but in my opinion you're just not trying hard enough, by a long shot. I mean, it looks like you cast your vote for Lalaith toDay on the basis of her having "clinched the lynch" of someone who wasn't lynched at all! EDIT:And you also say I "clinched" Steve's lynch, when he was already leading by two or three votes, and it was just on DL. Not that it matters, when Nog was innocent too, but it exemplifies just how sloppy your analysis has been.
EDIT: And on checking, it seems Lalaith cast the second vote on Lottie. Folwren cast the fourth.

Oh, and phantom? I could point out a nice big hole in your little theory about me, but that's probably not in my interest right now.

*joins the Cryptic Club*:p

EDIT:X'd since Sally at #1024.
EDIT2: added comment.
EDIT: Ditto.

[Lalaith]

Also, what are your thoughts on Foley?
Well, I don´t know her as a player very well. But given that her fellow wolves would have been Rikae and wilwa, who would have been clued up about the game and the roles, would she really be so confused at this late stage? Would she put this on? I don´t know.
And speaking of wilwa, another point against Kath was that odd defence of her post that wilwa made. (The one Inzil spotted)
Phantom - who knows. Being inscrutable and marching to the beat of his own drum somewhere I expect.

[Nerwen]

First Kath leaves something that could be construed as a blatant Cursed-hint, and now Lal seems all for lynching her? After not going after Kath at all previously? I'm beginning to think one's a wolf and one's the cursed (if Eonwe wasn't).

Huh? Wouldn't a wolf be against lynching the possible Cursed?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Huh? Wouldn't a wolf be against lynching the possible Cursed?

As opposed to lynching a Wolf? If we're lynching the cursed, we're not lynching a wolf, and if we're pretty sure we know who the cursed is it's not in the wolves's best interest to go for them at Night since we'd just lynch them the following Day, so... why not use them as lynch fodder?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Well, I don´t know her as a player very well. But given that her fellow wolves would have been Rikae and wilwa, who would have been clued up about the game and the roles, would she really be so confused at this late stage? Would she put this on? I don´t know.
And speaking of wilwa, another point against Kath was that odd defence of her post that wilwa made. (The one Inzil spotted)
Phantom - who knows. Being inscrutable and marching to the beat of his own drum somewhere I expect.

Hmmm, okay, but now I'm curious as to why you're reiterating that. If it's already been made... You kind of look like you're in 'lynch anyone' mode now, Lal.

[Nerwen]

Well, I don´t know her as a player very well. But given that her fellow wolves would have been Rikae and wilwa, who would have been clued up about the game and the roles, would she really be so confused at this late stage? Would she put this on? I don´t know.

It's pretty standard these Days for wolf-cubs to act confused– or even to actually be confused, as quite often their packmates deliberately tell them as little as possible, so they won't give themselves away by knowing too much. I'm surprised you don't know that, actually.

I don't say her confusion means she's a wolf, either– it's been a confusing game all round– but it's not an argument against it.

EDIT:X'd with two Shastas; italics; grammar.

[Lalaith]

It's pretty standard these Days
I haven't played for a year, I am clearly out of touch....

Shasta, I'm not sure what you mean. On the one hand you say I point out problems with Kath because I want to lynch Kath, and on the other you say I point out problems with Kath because I want to lynch anyone.
Mainly, actually, I just want to vote and go to bed, it´s one oclock in the morning here.

[Lalaith]

Right, I really do need to go to bed now. Socks and sandles it is...
++KATH

Mainly because the dodgy evidence behind her vote for me felt more like a wolf framing an innocent than an innocent genuinely searching for a wolf. It gave me a sense of deja vu (something similar happened with Saucie-wolf many aeons ago)

[satansaloser2005]

Aaaand it got quiet again. Just when I was hoping I'd stirred up a bit of talk. :(

[Nienna]

I'm here now until bedtime.

I'm not thrilled about a Kath lynch. I don't actually think she's suspicious but if there is a wolf in one of the quiet kids I guess she may be one but I'm still more suspicious of Lal and Nerwen. They just feel off to me.

*sighs*

[satansaloser2005]

I still think Kath and Foley make good wolves. However, together....not so much.

I wonder if Foley is Persephone? It explains the evil intentions and lack of knowledge. What do you think?

[Nienna]

I still think Kath and Foley make good wolves. However, together....not so much.

I wonder if Foley is Persephone? It explains the evil intentions and lack of knowledge. What do you think?

That's a theory I could get behind. She's been seeming off to me but not in a wolf way... and this would explain it.

[satansaloser2005]

That's a theory I could get behind. She's been seeming off to me but not in a wolf way... and this would explain it.

Just a thought.

And now the big question. Can you tell me what you are? (Not will you, but could you?) Baha, I'm enjoying this....well, not at all, actually. Hence the insane info-grabbing.

[satansaloser2005]

Am I obvious enough yet? Please? :p

[Folwren]

It's time for me to vote. But I don't want to vote. I have no good leads on anybody. As Nienna said, I am not keen on a Kath kill. I haven't had time to go back and look over other people again, so ... I don't know what to do. I want to not vote. But I don't think that's really an option.

I just decided I don't like Nienna. She doesn't post enough in the Mead Hall thread and Javan needs a fighting buddy. I'm kidding, actually.

No, see here - she hasn't seemed to have talked a whole bunch throughout the entire game. In her last summary of who she thinks is guilty and not guilty, her list runs almost entirely backwards to mine. The three whom she says she could vote for (Nerwen, Lalaith, and Phantom) seem to me most innocent. She says Meeper looks innocent, but how could she know? Mira has hardly posted.

I know that others have posted less than her, but that gives me less to dislike them for. For instance, I do not like the fact that Shasta has said little noteworthy stuff and Keeper has said even less.

I am going home and I have no computer at home at present. :( So...sorry for the early vote.

++Nienna

-- Foley

x-posted with the last four posts.

[Nienna]

Just a thought.

And now the big question. Can you tell me what you are? (Not will you, but could you?) Baha, I'm enjoying this....well, not at all, actually. Hence the insane info-grabbing.

I could if I wanted to. I think...

Edit: Crossed with Ms. Foley... *sighs*

[Folwren]

Look. I know that posting what I did may make you all distrust me, merely for the fact that previously, I don't believe I've mentioned Nienna much. I also know that you already do distrust me, so it doesn't really help my case. But see here, I am not a wolf. I am merely a confused player who is lucky not to have been killed off for no better reasons than clumsiness, much like Blind Guardian was and Tum almost was. I used to play this game quite well, and then left for several years, and I come back to find the game and the strategy and the players have all grown. Half of you were babes or not even arrived when I last played. So, take it easy on an old, out-dated player. I really am innocent.

Edit: x-posted with Nienna. Sorry, hun.

[the phantom]

Just fyi, we can be absolutely certain at this point that Sally is lying about her identity, due to the fact that she hasn't been modfired for revealing. Yes, I realize that she hasn't actually said the name of her role, but you can reveal that without saying it.

For instance, if Nog had said, "I have a trident, plus a horn on my head!" that without a doubt would be considered a reveal. More than once Sally has made a comment that would allow someone to easily narrow her role down to one single choice. That's revealing.

So- logically, her reveal is false, by virtue of the fact that she revealed in the first place.

[Folwren]

So, Phantom, why didn't you say so earlier?

[Nienna]

Just fyi, we can be absolutely certain at this point that Sally is lying about her identity, due to the fact that she hasn't been modfired for revealing. Yes, I realize that she hasn't actually said the name of her role, but you can reveal that without saying it.

For instance, if Nog had said, "I have a trident, plus a horn on my head!" that without a doubt would be considered a reveal. More than once Sally has made a comment that would allow someone to easily narrow her role down to one single choice. That's revealing.

So- logically, her reveal is false, by virtue of the fact that she revealed in the first place.

Someone hasn't been reading their rules properly.

[Folwren]

Someone hasn't been reading their rules properly.

Okay, that's it. I have been officially confused for the last time tonight. I'm going to bed, and TOMORROW I will read the rules.

[the phantom]

Nienna- You're implying that Sally doesn't know the rules, or me?

[Nienna]

Nienna- You're implying that Sally doesn't know the rules, or me?

You. Unless I've been totally misinterpreting ALL her hints.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Just fyi, we can be absolutely certain at this point that Sally is lying about her identity, due to the fact that she hasn't been modfired for revealing. Yes, I realize that she hasn't actually said the name of her role, but you can reveal that without saying it.

For instance, if Nog had said, "I have a trident, plus a horn on my head!" that without a doubt would be considered a reveal. More than once Sally has made a comment that would allow someone to easily narrow her role down to one single choice. That's revealing.

So- logically, her reveal is false, by virtue of the fact that she revealed in the first place.

I agree, actually. The fact that she mentioned she's a virgin, combined with the fact that Artemis is currently dead, means she can only be one person. To me that counts as a reveal... so the fact that Glirdan hasn't modkilled her means she's lying.

[the phantom]

Read this. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635894&postcount=859)

Third paragraph.

[Nienna]

Read this. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635894&postcount=859)

Third paragraph.

Ah... Ok, yes, combo of misinterpreting and rules being posted in places other than the rule list.

*apologizes to Phantom*

[satansaloser2005]

Just fyi, we can be absolutely certain at this point that Sally is lying about her identity, due to the fact that she hasn't been modfired for revealing. Yes, I realize that she hasn't actually said the name of her role, but you can reveal that without saying it.

For instance, if Nog had said, "I have a trident, plus a horn on my head!" that without a doubt would be considered a reveal. More than once Sally has made a comment that would allow someone to easily narrow her role down to one single choice. That's revealing.

So- logically, her reveal is false, by virtue of the fact that she revealed in the first place.

But I AM a....oh, never mind.


I refuse to post evidence of this for obvious reasons, but Glirdan said I can hint as much as I want as long as I don't....well, you know.

I haven't SAID I'm anything. I also decided that saying everything I wasn't was going a tad too far. Driving you all mad to see who squirms, on the other hand....


Meta: Bad storms around these parts. They may short out my interwebs. Just a heads up!

[Nienna]

And everyone disappears? Lovely.

Edit: x-ed, of course

[the phantom]

So yeah, Sally constantly says she knows things (wisdom!), says no one is as smart as her (wisdom!), and says she's a virgin but not Hestia (which leaves....). There is only one place that those comments point towards. She didn't narrow it down for us- she outright told us.

So, either she has rendered herself unlynchable in violation of the Mod's commands, or she is lying and needs to be lynched. Either way she's dead at the end of the day.

Raise your hand if you think we should lynch her.

*raises hand*

[satansaloser2005]

And everyone disappears? Lovely.

Well harrumph. If I'm no one, I'll just go elsewhere. ;)


Internet permitting, I'm off to look at Mira.

[Nienna]

So yeah, Sally constantly says she knows things (wisdom!), says no one is as smart as her (wisdom!), and says she's a virgin but not Hestia (which leaves....). There is only one place that those comments point towards. She didn't narrow it down for us- she outright told us.

So, either she has rendered herself unlynchable in violation of the Mod's commands, or she is lying and needs to be lynched. Either way she's dead at the end of the day.

Raise your hand if you think we should lynch her.

*raises hand*

So you want to lynch her just because you THINK she's going to be modfired. Suspicious behavior, Mr. Phantom, very suspicious.

[satansaloser2005]

So yeah, Sally constantly says she knows things (wisdom!), says no one is as smart as her (wisdom!), and says she's a virgin but not Hestia (which leaves....). There is only one place that those comments point towards. She didn't narrow it down for us- she outright told us.

So, either she has rendered herself unlynchable in violation of the Mod's commands, or she is lying and needs to be lynched. Either way she's dead at the end of the day.

Raise your hand if you think we should lynch her.

*raises hand*

Ahem. You ASKED if I was Hestia. I denied the claim (albeit in a rather obvious fashion).

Thank you, however, for speculating.


Oh, and Glirdan? You were supposed to....oh, heck if I know. Whatever you were going to do. *is confused*

Okay, enough biding my time to see what I'm supposed to see; I'm going to analyze Mira. Again, apologies if the nets go out.

[satansaloser2005]

So you want to lynch her just because you THINK she's going to be modfired. Suspicious behavior, Mr. Phantom, very suspicious.

I'd like to point out that Phantom's been hinting in a rather egregious fashion as well.

Of course, either of us could be lying, so....whatever that's worth.

[the phantom]

but Glirdan said I can hint as much as I want as long as I don't....well, you know.
And now you're paraphrasing the Mod's privately spoken words in order to further cement your innocent status?!! Completely bad form!!

I soooooo want to lynch you just on principle alone.

Completely seriously, if the Ranger has any class at all he will not under any circumstance protect Sally tonight, leaving the WWs free to kill her off if they choose.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I've never really understood the argument. Firstly, how likely is it that Sally's going to be modfired? Secondly, yes, Phantom's at the very least changed his style, so I think I know what he is, but I don't think we should lynch him, numbers-wise. So I'm not seeing why you're pointing that out, Sally.

[Nienna]

Votes:

Kath --> Lal
Lal --> Kath
Foley --> Nienna

And I'm going to need to be voting in the next 30 minutes as I have to get up early to go to work tomorrow. As it stands my vote is going to go to Lal for general suspiciousness and I don't want to be lynched or vote for Kath. So... thoughts?

Edit: Left to vote: Nienna, Sally, Phantom, Shasta, Mira, Nerwen (where is that girl?)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I have to get up early for work as well. Between the three with votes, I don't want to vote for Nienna. But if Nienna doesn't want to vote Kath, then I will, as I'd be happy were either lynched and would like to give the people who actually can stick around an equal shot.

++Kath

[the phantom]

Firstly, how likely is it that Sally's going to be modfired?
The chances have got to be decent. I mean- let's say we were playing Star Wars themed Werewolf, and Jedi characters were not allowed to reveal. It's late in the game and there are only a few characters left, and among them are but two Jedi- Luke and Yoda.

So Yoda steps up and says, "I'm a Jedi, but I'm not Luke." Did he reveal?

Yes! He did! That's not a hint. A hint would be telling someone, "I look up to you".

So yeah- in my book Sally totally and completely revealed, even paraphrasing the Mod's private communication on the issue (which is yet another strike against her).

[satansaloser2005]

Completely seriously, if the Ranger has any class at all he will not under any circumstance protect Sally tonight, leaving the WWs free to kill her off if they choose.

Is the mod around? Nope! Am I saying ANYTHING that he said? Nope! I'm just reassuring you that I am not, in fact, doing anything that I know to be illegal (beyond of course taking all the cookies from Glirdan's house while he slept:p).

Why does it feel more and more like Phantom's trying to trap me into saying my role so I will get killed? And on that note, what the heck is up with that?

Class? Let's talk about the class to not throw the game and let me die just because you don't like something. (You've not yet, but if you let them kill me it'll be the same thing.) Just because I'm not endowed with dozens of powers and gifts doesn't mean I'm worthless to the village, after all. I'm still an innocent. I still count. Thus....nyah. (And Nienna, you're welcome. I likely just made your life a bit easier, though it was definitely fun to wath you squirm.)

Phantom, I hope I know what you're doing. Heck, I hope you know what you're doing.


EDIT: x'd with Phantom's last, which I can't reply to because doing so would be against the rules. Sorry, love, but I'm simply not able to explain.

[satansaloser2005]

Speaking of which, where is our distinguished mod?

P.S. Since Phantom ruined it, fine. I'm bloody the combined forces of the Muses, all right? Gish. I wasn't supposed to tell, but Phantom is relentless. I'm clever and singy and generally awesome. And they've never mentioned me....you know. ;)

P.P.S. Back to Mira.

[Nienna]

Mmk I'm going to bed. Do smart things.

++ Lal

Leaving the tally at:

Kath --> Lal
Lal --> Kath
Foley --> Nienna
Shasta --> Kath (2)
Nienna --> Lal (2)

[satansaloser2005]

Oh bother. Phantom, who are you thinking about? (I'd ask Nerwen and Mira but they're not here, so they can answer me when they return.)

Personally I'd really like to see Kath go, but considering that Lal didn't take that much convincing to jump onto her I'd be happy with either one (which is to say that I think lynching one will tell us about the other, as I don't think they'd be wolves together, at least not by Lal's behavior).

Darn it, I just don't know. I'll think about it and return with my Miralysis.


P.S. Good night, Nienna, dear! :)

[the phantom]

Am I saying ANYTHING that he said? Nope!
How can you possibly say that when you did in fact paraphrase private words you exchanged, with the words "Glirdan said" right in front!! :rolleyes:

So yeah, you are now making things worse by outright lying.
Why does it feel more and more like Phantom's trying to trap me into saying my role so I will get killed?
If that was my intent, then I have already succeeded, seeing as, like it or not, you have in fact revealed your role to us. "Hey, I know things guys. I'm REALLY smart. The SMARTEST! And I'm a virgin. No, not Hestia. I'm the only other virgin on the list besides Hestia. Oh, and I was talking to the Mod and he said I could hint at my role but not reveal it. Hee hee."

So yeah, this debate is done. You cannot spin that any other way.

[Nerwen]

How can you possibly say that when you did in fact paraphrase private words you exchanged, with the words "Glirdan said" right in front!! :rolleyes:

So yeah, you are now making things worse by outright lying.

If that was my intent, then I have already succeeded, seeing as, like it or not, you have in fact revealed your role to us. "Hey, I know things guys. I'm REALLY smart. The SMARTEST! And I'm a virgin. No, not Hestia. I'm the only other virgin on the list besides Hestia. Oh, and I was talking to the Mod and he said I could hint at my role but not reveal it. Hee hee."

So yeah, this debate is done. You cannot spin that any other way.

Okay, this is complicated.

Firstly, phantom is right: what you've said is a reveal, Sally. It goes beyond even the broadest hint in that it cuts out all possible roles but one. So yes, I'd say that if that is your role, you're in danger of modfire– and if it isn't, we have to wonder why you're lying about it.

However, phantom, consider this point before you vote her: as Sally's hints were dropped over a number of separate posts, she may not have realised herself they added up to a reveal. I'd have to read back over her posts to see how plausible that is.

[satansaloser2005]

How can you possibly say that when you did in fact paraphrase private words you exchanged, with the words "Glirdan said" right in front!! :rolleyes:

So yeah, you are now making things worse by outright lying.

If that was my intent, then I have already succeeded, seeing as, like it or not, you have in fact revealed your role to us. "Hey, I know things guys. I'm REALLY smart. The SMARTEST! And I'm a virgin. No, not Hestia. I'm the only other virgin on the list besides Hestia. Oh, and I was talking to the Mod and he said I could hint at my role but not reveal it. Hee hee."

So yeah, this debate is done. You cannot spin that any other way.

Phantom, you accused me of cheating. Do you expect me to sit around and not defend myself? First of all, your attacks on me were far less than gentlemanly, which I normally expect even from an evil you. Watering me down to newbie talk and accusing me of lying is downright low, and I’m not the most thrilled to see that you look so happy to be “getting me killed”. May I point out, yet again, that I’m on the side of the village? If so, whose side does that make you on?

Also, any specifications to my role could have been put in my original PM, or it could not have. It doesn't matter; Glirdan's word is law. If decides to change his mind when he gets back (since I've been cross with Zeus for a while and decided to have a bit of rule-bending fun of my own to undo the injustice he dealt to the village) that's fine, and I'll take a modfire with dignity, but until he returns I'm totally not going to say anything else about what my role may or may not be. And until then, it's none of your business. You don't know what Glirdan told me, and I don't know what he told you, etc. For all I know you're Pan and you're just riling me up so's that the wolves will leave us to tear each other apart toMorrow. (I'm not saying that you are, but you get the idea.) There is no reason for me to lie about what Glirdan told me at this juncture, so why even ask, or imply that I'm not being truthful? That alone is just hurtful.

And if I'm modfired, I think Zeus should have been killed too, unless there's something about his role I don't know. Zeus works for the village now that Hera’s dead. That doesn't involve killing our legitimate seer just because he fancies it. I'm just sayin'. I may or may not be bending game play, but that’s sabotage, and I don’t care for it in the least.

Can I stop being moody and defensive now? I want to listen to the storm and get ready to kill a wolf. Also, Mira’s waiting in another window. Can I go back there now? That'd be super great.


EDIT: x'd with Nerwen. Great, now I'm just cranky. :(

[Glirdan]

CHILDREN!!! DO NOT MAKE ME END THIS GAME EARLY NOW!! BEHAVE!! :mad:

[the phantom]

However, phantom, consider this point before you vote her
Nah, I'm not going to vote for her. That vote would be wasted, seeing as no one else has voted her.

I don't know who I'll vote for. No one seems to have followed the trail of evidence I left earlier to its logical conclusion, so I suppose I'll just tack my vote onto one of these other people.

[satansaloser2005]

IT'S ABOUT TIME YOU GOT BACK!

I've been lonely and everybody's ganged up on me. Sort of. :p

[satansaloser2005]

Was about to post this when I saw that Glirdan had shown up, so I figured why not. Here be a postie post about all this drama.

You've selected the wrong virgin. Please collect your two cents from the tray labelled "fail" and try again.

And THERE's the post that Phantom's so cross about. (Incidentally, the joke that I'd planned to tell earlier was similar to this post, except more personal, so I decided to keep it to myself.) On some level of that personal level, it was supposed to be an in-joke for Phantom, meant mostly for his enjoyment (and Duck's should she ever trawl the game) and it fit so well right there that I decided I had to keep it.

Clearly you're at least one, because you missed the only really important hint I ever gave.


Incidentally, since we're sharing, who are you then?

....

That's what I thought.

Meaning here that over half the village can't reveal anything at this point. If you've gleaned who I am, fine, go with it, I don't care.

The other part I shan't explain because it doesn't even matter.

Needless to say, Foley, I....well, I can't, actually.

ETA: How ridiculous can I be here exactly? As long as I don't say "I am *censored*" I'm technically following the rules. ;)

Needless to say, I don't do well when I'm frustrated. Foley asked me a question I couldn't answer, which I completely wanted to, so from then on (and slightly before, rather) the next few posts were just ridiculously obvious.

Sorry for the outburst. I just lost my temper. I have never taken being called stupid very well.

And this is where I realized that Foley legitimately had no idea what was going on, and now thought that I was calling her stupid. I couldn't have that. I felt bad.

Incidentally, all the "everyone else is stupid" talk? Biggest. Hint. Ever. (Besides the Risk and pancakes anyway.)

So I said that, thus letting her know that I wasn't calling her stupid, I was being in-character. Someone else said that before if memory serves me correctly, but I'm too lazy to look up the post at the moment. (The addition of Risk and pancakes being a huge hint was mostly a joke, by the way.)



See what I did there? An irresistable joke and the urge to make someone feel better about themself and I'm suddenly evil and cheap. *meeps* Subtlety works for only so long, and when innocents turn on the village there's very little to stop me from trying to help give the village an edge back. I never intended to straight up reveal anything, but with stress and lack of proper time and goading from a few people I was definitely more obvious than I intended, for which I apologize.

HOWEVER, the only thing this argument has done is make it really hard for anyone not to figure out my role. Fabulous.

[Glirdan]

In other words, you didn't outwardly reveal, thus still obeying the rules, thus having me not needing to Modfire you or anyone (except myself maybe because of my epic failures as of late...don't ask) and the game can go on.

BE ADVISED THAT IF THIS KEEPS UP I MAY MODFIRE OUT OF PURE SPITE! Yes, I'm in that kind of mood. Killer headache and stress do not mingle very well.

[satansaloser2005]

In other words, you didn't outwardly reveal, thus still obeying the rules, thus having me not needing to Modfire you or anyone (except myself maybe because of my epic failures as of late...don't ask) and the game can go on.

BE ADVISED THAT IF THIS KEEPS UP I MAY MODFIRE OUT OF PURE SPITE! Yes, I'm in that kind of mood. Killer headache and stress do not mingle very well.

Take an aspirin and go to bed? We'll play nice, I swear! :)

[Glirdan]

45 Minutes

[satansaloser2005]

I know, this isn't very in-depth, and I'm sorry, but I'm really drained.



Agreed.

Wait. I just agreed with phantom. There is clearly something topsy turvy about the world today.

I need to go ponder that fact (aka go to work).

That....that really doesn’t happen. Topsy turvy, upside down indeed.


Okay so three pages later, I'm pretty thoroughly confused (but what else is new) soo as per usual I'm just going to start talking.

I really don't see Boro's Zeus comment and Nerwen's Hades one as slips or hints of any kind. It's Day 1 of a Greek god themed game. There is nothing suspicious about working in banter, especially in the first few posts (which I think those were).

And now I shall go make myself a stupidly detailed cheatsheet chart of all the roles because that's what's been confusing me the most. I shall return!

From this I gather that Mira is either not a wolf or that she’s confused by who she’s working with. She doesn’t think the immediate hinting is an issue, and was obviously right about Boro and his “hint” meaning nothing.


I might be missing something here, but don't Zeus and Hera know who each other are? If that's the case then there's no reason for Borolover to be hinting to his counterpart.

She has a good point here. I’m convincing myself that she remembers this because of the chart she’s just made and not because she’s Zeus (mostly because if she was, I’d kill her). I refer to this point (sort of) later down the post though; I think it’s interesting how much she talks of Zeus, etc. At first I thought she might be Zeus, but later on I think she may have figured out who he is. Either way, she’s read up on the rules quite well.


I'd have to disagree with you on that one, dear. What Mac said about Boro leaving a Lover hint does make sense (even though it took me fooorever to get). I'm still pretty convinced it was innocent banter, but it does make sense.

I'm also not stoked on this suspicion of Steve, for the same reasons as I wasn't stoked on suspecting Boro and Nerwen for what could very well be innocent Day 1 banter.

People I won't be voting for toDay:
Boro
Nerwen
Steve
(All for reasons previously stated.)
Shasta - I don't vote for people who don't appear. At least not Day 1.

Who I probably will be voting for toDay unless something better comes up within the next hour or so:
Blind Guardian - don't be posting that you want people to provide you with substance and then don't do anything to spark discussion.

EDIT: xed since the wilwa post I quoted. And bollox, that now looks suspiciously like bandwagoning.

Doesn’t mention over half the people in the game, and plans to vote BG (barring any developments) mostly because she’s unhelpful. She’s also the obvious choice, so....yeah.


Before I forget:

++BG

Obvious choice. Not much to say here except for I rather expected it.


Just for the record, I had decided my vote before I saw the rest of the votes. I wasn't going to change what I had been thinking for hours because it might look like I joined a bandwagon. Fairly certain my edit said something to that effect when I mentioned i x'ed with a whole ton of people. Side effect of having an awful attention span and leaving half completed windows open for extended periods of time. Just sayin'.

Explaining her vote and the fact that it x’d, and says that she’s not changing her mind just to make herself look better. This makes her look slightly better to me, so I’m hoping it’s not a double bluff of sorts, saying that she’s unconcerned about her voting record to shrug off those who would accuse her based upon it.


I somehow completely missed this. :eek:

Well as far as not confusing me, he did an awful job. As for the "ere the night ends" bit, if I didn't know any better I'd suspect he thought I had a role that would be able to protect him. Unfortunately he overestimated me.

Side note: I haven't actually read anything beyond phantom's Boro post yet. Once I shower and get some food in me I'll finish catching up before work.

Commenting on Boro’s alleged hint to her (which I still don’t get, I don’t think).


Hokay so. Work today was brutal. All I want is to sleep and not think. (Yes, that is my excuse for never being around).

The one solid(ish) thing that is sticking in my addled mind is that phantom is making a weird amount of sense. Usually he just confuses me and makes me want him dead. This could be considered a point of concern.

Also, still not all that stoked on Boro indicating that I'm a ranger. If I was, I'd be quite annoyed for being pointed out (and thus probably dead toNight) but the fact that I have no idea where he got that from whatsoever really concerns me. It also leads me to not put too much stake in the theories that Steve is a wolf and phantom is Zeus.

Of course, now with a lack of easy bandwagons to jump on, I'm at a total loss of who to vote for toDay. There's a legitimate chance I won't be voting in order to avoid another weak vote out of sheer annoyance.

Here’s an interesting theory for you. I know wolves can’t share their honeys’ names with each other, but Mira!wolf could have picked up on Phantom’s exchanges with Wilwa (if they exist) and figured out that he was sort of on their side. It would explain the “random” agreement they seemed to share. It would also make sense for her to thus dismiss said theory on the thread.

Like I said, weird. Just had to get it out of my brain.


I've been thinking about sally's idea of flushing Hestia out. While originally I rejected it, after giving it some serious consideration I think it would be best to wait to do anything to that effect until if/when the village starts to flounder. As of now we're in decent shape, despite not having nabbed any furry ones yet. If things start getting desperate though, I'm all for it. Well, not necessarily all for it. As for it as one can be considering the circumstances.

Also, in a desperate attempt to not fall back asleep and have more weird dreams, I am going to go look at phantom

Doesn’t like my plan (fair enough) but says in the future it may be helpful. I’m rather interested to know what “circumstances” she’s talking about there.

In other news, looking at Phantom? Usually [/i]inspires[/i] bad dreams. :p


Day One Phantom Analysis (deleted by Sally for space)

Based on just Day 1, however, phantom's looking rather sketchy to me. My problem lies mostly with his vote for Steve and his comment following it (282). I still have an issue with him making more sense than usual and not making me have strong homicidal feelings in his general direction, but it has been a while since he played. I'd rather not vote him toDay without getting to go through his Day 2 posts, but if a better option doesn't present itself, I probably will.

Oh, and next time I decide to analyze someone who posts this much, someone please punch me in the mouth. Day 2 will come either later tonight or tomorrow, assuming I'm still alive.

Her analysis is, except for the obvious places, actually pretty shining. Then Phantom looks “sketchy”, I’m assuming for his vote on Steve. That and his PMing comment actually do look fishy to me (and I’d somehow missed the PM comment before) so I’m not surprised that something like that makes her feel shifty about him. However, she’s still not ready to vote him.


xSeeing as how I'm in this pretty content half-sleep watching Batman Forever, I'm just going to vote now so I don't fall asleep, miss deadline, and get modfired.

++phantom

And then she DOES vote him. Must not have been any better candidates? :rolleyes:


Ridiculous amount of family drama going on. No time to comment, but sort of read.

++Rikae


And the simple vote.



So basically she trusts Phantom, then votes him for lack of a better candidate, with two pieces of evidence that she’s found in the midst of an otherwise positive-ish looking case. She goes for the easy BG lynch on Day One (then again, most of us did, obviously) then for someone she knows won’t actually get lynched on Day Two. Day Three is mostly irrelevant but I’m still finding her record....interesting.


If Phantom’s Zeus, I’m thinking Mira might be a wolf.


So I give Mira a wolfiness rating of about six, more or less. I still think Kath might be a more promising lynch candidate though (and of course trying to lynch Mira toDay would be ridiculousy silly).


I'm going to vote in a bit. Back for that.

[satansaloser2005]

I have enhanced weapons skills. Anyone care to see a demonstration?

The Brit goes first.





++Kath

[Glirdan]

12 minutes

[the phantom]

So... Who else is left to vote?

[Glirdan]

You, Mira and Nerwen, both of which seem to be MIA

[the phantom]

Nerwen, m'dear? Which way are you voting?

[Nerwen]

ARRGH! Long post about Kath got eaten!

So, briefly:

I don't like the look of her, at all, but on the other hand, I don't particularly care for the members of her lynching party either. (Yeah, that incudes you Sally– who's to say your hints weren't one big bluff?)

And, then, no-one seems to be trying to save her, which isn't a great sign– though there's only two wolves left, it's true...

[Glirdan]

That's time people.

[Glirdan]

NOTE BEFORE READING: This Narration is mainly for the enjoyment of Kath, Wilwa and myself due to an....well, shall we say rather interesting Freudian Slip on my part :D

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The Gods gathered at the end of the Day for another trying debate on what to do next. Suddenly, they all noticed Hestia sitting in a corner, rocking back and forth...back....and forth.............back...........and forth............................................. ...................When suddenly, she jumped up screaming in a terrible fright and started running around the room in a panic, looking for an exit. She finally found the caved in archway out of the Great Chamber and fled, all the down Mount Olympus and to the sea, where she saw a little rowing boat drifting on the shore.

She ran to it, heedless of the ice cold (and strangely colored) water around her. She hopped in the boat and began rowing out to sea, in an attempt to get away from Olympus, and the insanity that the place had brought to her. She couldn't take the visions like Apollo could. She was being driven mad by them.

She continued to row, and row. It wasn't until she was far out to sea that she finally started to slow down. She laid back and just stared up at the sky......

Hestia awoke with a start, frozen to the bone. She sat up and looked around her and noticed that the sea had completely frozen over. She reached over and touched the surface and drew it back in shock. The sea wasn't just frozen, but was frozen into a milky like substance...like ice cream. She started to clamber out, suddenly quite hungry and started scooping up handfuls of the sea, when she glanced quickly at the side of the boat and noticed the tiny print on the side that was the boat's name: TITANIC. And that's when it hit. A giant ball of ice cream landed right on top of her and The Titanic.

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BACK ON OLYMPUS

Everyone was gathered around Hestia who was asleep in a corner and pale as death (albeit, Thanatos and Hades are no that pale) and blue lips. Pan reached over and touched her and withdrew his hand quickly, already cold. She was already dead and there was nothing they could do about it.

Dead
Night 1 - Glirdan aka. Thanatos (Mod) - Scythe through the stomach
Day 1 - BeiGei aka. Aphrodite (Lover) - Suicide of a broken heart
Night 2 - Boro aka. Hermes (Seer) - Wings through the eyes
Day 2 - Eonwe aka. Only True Ordo - Plummeted to an untimely, mortal death
Day 3 - Nog aka. Poseidon (Unicorn) - Fish-fried by the other Gods
Night 4 - Lottie aka. Artemis (Hunter) - Face full of energy blast from Hera
Night 4 - Wilwa aka. Hera (Wolf Lover) - Pierced by Artemis's last shot
Day 4 - Tum aka. Apollo (Seer) - Killed by a bolt of lightning from Zeus
Day 4 - Mac aka. Hercules (Shirrif) - Pancaked by a piece of ceiling
Day 4 - Rikae aka. Ares (Wolf) - Left to freeze on the peak of Mount Olympus.
Night 5 - Greenie aka. Demeter (Protector of Youth) - Accidental beheading by Eros
Night 5 - Zil aka. Eros (Hunting Guardian) - Cross-carved stabbing
Day 5 - Kath aka. Hestia (Seer) - Killed by her own Titanic-was-actually-sunk-by-ice cream dream

Alive
Mira
Nienna
Nerwen
Folwren
Lalaith
Shasta
Phantom
Sally

[Nerwen]

Arrgh! I know I've missed DL.

No, it's not any kind of ploy. Sorry, my connection just started running so slow that the page is taking minutes to load each time. Just so you know, I'd decided to vote Kath after all.

[Glirdan]

Pan was out patrolling the halls once again, hoping that like Eros, he would have the chance to step in and save someone. He hadn't seen any action yet and was hoping that it was coming his way soon. Pan rounded the next bend in the hall, sword in hand, ready to pounce if it was necessary. Yet Pan was always a clumsy fool, to the point where he had tripped over a pebble, once upon a time.

He continued to make his way down the hall when he heard something behind him. He stopped and listened. There was something slithering behind him. He held his sword firmly and turned around, swinging his sword....at thin air. In his excitement, he kept swinging and swinging, at nothing, eyes shut tight, backing up the whole time until he slipped on a pebble, fell back and landed on the floor, his sword flying into the air before plummeting back down and landing....right in Pan's gut.

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THE NEXT DAY

As the Gods were emerging from their chambers, they all noticed Pan lying in the middle of the hallway with his sword sticking out of his gut. All of them thought it was the work of the traitors. Yet the traitors sat their snickering to themselves, for they WERE there when Pan had died.

Dead
Night 1 - Glirdan aka. Thanatos (Mod) - Scythe through the stomach
Day 1 - BeiGei aka. Aphrodite (Lover) - Suicide of a broken heart
Night 2 - Boro aka. Hermes (Seer) - Wings through the eyes
Day 2 - Eonwe aka. Only True Ordo - Plummeted to an untimely, mortal death
Day 3 - Nog aka. Poseidon (Unicorn) - Fish-fried by the other Gods
Night 4 - Lottie aka. Artemis (Hunter) - Face full of energy blast from Hera
Night 4 - Wilwa aka. Hera (Wolf Lover) - Pierced by Artemis's last shot
Day 4 - Tum aka. Apollo (Seer) - Killed by a bolt of lightning from Zeus
Day 4 - Mac aka. Hercules (Shirrif) - Pancaked by a piece of ceiling
Day 4 - Rikae aka. Ares (Wolf) - Left to freeze on the peak of Mount Olympus.
Night 5 - Greenie aka. Demeter (Protector of Youth) - Accidental beheading by Eros
Night 5 - Zil aka. Eros (Hunting Guardian) - Cross-carved stabbing
Day 5 - Kath aka. Hestia (Seer) - Killed by her own Titanic-was-actually-sunk-by-ice cream dream
Night 6 - Nienna aka. Pan (Ranger) - Tripped on a pebble and gutted by own sword

Alive
Mira
Nerwen
Folwren
Lalaith
Shasta
Phantom
Sally

[the phantom]

Once again, as I did the beginning of yesterday, I will try and hint you all in the correct direction.

Greenie (aka Demeter) knew exactly who Persephone was (and still is). Given her lists throughout the game and her jump to conclusions about Mac being Hades, it is quite clear that Nerwen is Persephone. So- all you need to do is take a look back at day one and see who hints to Nerwen about being her lover. Of course you need only read posts by people who are still alive.

Once you find the hint, you'll know who Hades is, and thus which player to vote for.

[Nerwen]

Once again, as I did the beginning of yesterday, I will try and hint you all in the correct direction.

Greenie (aka Demeter) knew exactly who Persephone was (and still is). Given her lists throughout the game and her jump to conclusions about Mac being Hades, it is quite clear that Nerwen is Persephone.

Interesting. I was prepared to go along with this yesterDay, as there was talk of my being a wolf, and at least I wouldn't get lynched if you thought I was Persephone. Now, however, I'd like to know what you're up to.

Or do you really think Greenie just assumed, "Oh yes, clearly we're dealing with Suicidal!Hades". Bit of a stretch, surely?

[Lalaith]

Right, I´ve got to be off now (see Admin thread) but will hopefully be back in around 12 hours.
Phantom, I see what you´re saying but
1. I don´t have time to look over the thread...
2. if these hints are so obvious, why did no-one else pick up on them at the time?
Why didn´t Greenie herself, who is a smart cookie?
Anyway, I´m currently pursuing a line of thought which centres on Mira, I think she and her absence provide the key to a lot of questions. More later (car is packed, horn being hooted)

[Folwren]

I don't have time nor interest nor patience to comb the thread for hints. Just now. Maybe later if I have time to kill (ha!) I will.

As of now, I will note that if Kath were a true Seer and not a false one, her posts might come in useful. Yesterday, for instance, she voted pretty surely for Lalaith.

Gotta run, it's breakfast time.

[Nerwen]

So, I thought I'd look at Kath-Hestia on Days Four and Five (others are irrelevant), with a view to working out whether she was a true Seer, and if so, who she might have dreamed. I'd not like to make any guesses either way based on her single, very confused post on Day Two.

Kath, Day Four

#923. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635991&postcount=923) Missed Day Three "due to busyness and ... ahem ... drunkenness." Assures Zil she will not risk modfire because I'm not about to cause the player list to drop any further after toDay's happenings with a Shirriff AND our true Seer gone.

Is bewildered by Zeus's actions. Votes Rikae.

Comment: By Zeus! That "drunkeness" remark was unfortunate! There's not much to get out of this post, except that the reference to "our true Seer" may have been meant as a clue that Kath herself was false. (She should have known by then whether she was or not.)


#925. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635994&postcount=925) Lists roles and players.


#925 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=635999&postcount=928) and #931. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=636003&postcount=931) Analyses on various players– no really strong opinions and goes back and fourth quite a bit; sees Lalaith, Sally and I as most likely villains, and will look at us closer toMorrow. Doesn't think phantom is Zeus; thinks I or Lalaith might be, while Lalaith also might be Dionysus. Between these two posts she lists a total of eight(!) players as potential wolves, with no-one at all definitely innocent.

Comments: I don't think there are Seer-hints in here. It looks more like someone trying to puzzle things out, based on general impressions. She doesn't sound like she knows who anyone is.


#932. Banter: tells Sally she's beaten her at making a role-list.


Kath, Day Five

#991. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=636125&postcount=991) Denies her drunkenness comment was a hint. Explains to Folwren how we know Hestia chose a Seer. Sally might be Zeus. Jokes about lynching tp. Foley, if a wolf, deserves to win; Mira doesn't. Doesn't think Foley and I are packmates.


#996. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=636131&postcount=996) Tells Folwren the phantom (#994) (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=636129&postcount=994) was just kidding.


#1000. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=636135&postcount=1000) Lalaith, Shasta, Sally and Foley might be wolves, though Sally is more likely Dionysus or Zeus. She has no idea about Nienna. Mira is too uninvolved to be a wolf.


#1005. (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=636140&postcount=1005) Analyses votes. Concludes Lalaith and I are the most likely wolves, based on our votes. Also thinks Mira could be a wolf, because of her "sudden burst of energy on Day 3".

Comments: This is going to sound petty, but I'm still annoyed at how careless and inaccurate Kath's analysis was– see my response at #1034 (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=636176&postcount=1034) for details. Yes, I'm sorry we went and lynched her, but all the same...

Last post: Votes Lalaith.


General Comments: That Lalaith, Sally and Folwren show up more than once in Kath's "might be a wolf" category is slightly eyebrow-raising; however she also lists the first two as likely Zeuses and Dionysuses, while she's just lukewarm about Folwren. Besides, Hestia wasn't forbidden to reveal. (Also, she has me as a wolf-suspect, and I happen to know I'm not one– but that's of course arguing from my own point of view.) Consistent about phantom's non-Zeus-hood (says this twice, and never changes her mind). Those are the only possible hints I can see there, and they're pretty thin.



Conclusion: I don't think Kath picked tum to dream. There's nothing that looks to me like a real Seer-hint, and in fact I think she deliberately left at least one to the contrary (#923).

EDIT: X'd with Foley.
EDIT: Changed "Like a Seer-hint" to "like a real Seer-hint".

[Nerwen]

As of now, I will note that if Kath were a true Seer and not a false one, her posts might come in useful. Yesterday, for instance, she voted pretty surely for Lalaith.

That's what I thought, too– but after analysing her I don't think it likely.

(This doesn't prove Lalaith isn't a wolf, of course– but I don't think Kath dreamed of her.)

[satansaloser2005]

ToDay’s plan: get rid of Hades. Hephaestus is not necessarily aware of Persephone, so there is a chance (though obviously a slim one) that Hephaestus would kill her toNight rather than one of us. (Besides, Persephone doesn’t get a revenge kill, and I don’t really care if she knows an extra role.) If Hephaestus is killed, Hades and Persephone will live to see toMorrow and we’ll be at end game again toMorrow. We could also kill Persephone, but if we do that we’ll still have two wolves on the prowl and will, again, be back at end game come the next Dawn.


Also....

Kath's dead. Bugger. I was hoping either that I'd be right or that I'd be wrong and that people would overrule my vote for her. Where were you guys anyway? (I ask this because I know Phantom was online, and I thought Mira would be popping up to vote at the least.)

Nienna's dead. Bugger. I called that one. Poor muffin. :(

[satansaloser2005]

Yes, I know the above post came out of nowhere. But I have a point.


Athena: Good. Killing her would be bad.

Dionysus: Good unless turned. Oh, and might not even exist any longer.

Hades: Bad, and has a fangirl. If he's alive, he's a force of two. If he dies, nothing really happens of horrid consequence.

Hebe: Good. Killing her would be bad.

Hephaestus: Bad, with no special shinyness of any kind. However, keep in mind what I said about Hades above before you consider Festy (wtmc, brain?!) the biggest threat.

Persephone: Bad, but only powerful with Hades. If we kill her, Hades kills one of us. Killing her is suicide.

Zeus: Clearly crazy, but harmless and counts in the ordo tally. Thus good. Killing him, while funny, would be bad.

[the phantom]

1. I don´t have time to look over the thread...
2. if these hints are so obvious, why did no-one else pick up on them at the time?
Why didn´t Greenie herself, who is a smart cookie?
You answered your own question, m'dear. It was only one single event, and it's buried beneath hundreds of other posts. "Time to look over the thread" is exactly what is required here. No one has spotted it simply because no one has done more than skim it.

But now that we have so few players, I'm sure you'll find who hinted to Nerwen about being her lover. Just go back and read Day 1 posts made by living players. You don't have to read Nerwen's posts, of course, as she's Persephone. You don't have to read mine, as I'm the one telling you to look. So that leaves Lalaith, Folwren, Shasta, Sally, and Mira. Neither of those five wrote a book on Day 1, so the task isn't terribly daunting.

Time to find Hades, folks. *looks up* And I see Sally agrees on that.

[satansaloser2005]

And you can rule me out, since I just said to kill Hades. I'm just sayin'.

In other news, back to work. I'll return in about six hours.


ETA: Also, if someone could give me a grand vote count they'd be my hero! If not, I'll try to post one when I get back. :)

[Nerwen]

You answered your own question, m'dear. It was only one single event, and it's buried beneath hundreds of other posts. "Time to look over the thread" is exactly what is required here. No one has spotted it simply because no one has done more than skim it.

But now that we have so few players, I'm sure you'll find who hinted to Nerwen about being her lover. Just go back and read Day 1 posts made by living players. You don't have to read Nerwen's posts, of course, as she's Persephone. You don't have to read mine, as I'm the one telling you to look. So that leaves Lalaith, Folwren, Shasta, Sally, and Mira. Neither of those five wrote a book on Day 1, so the task isn't terribly daunting.

Time to find Hades, folks. *looks up* And I see Sally agrees on that.

Phantom, whatever you're up to, you don't sound like you're trying to help the village here. If you really think you've spotted Hades, then why don't you just point to the post in question, instead of making the other players jump through hoops for you? (No, I don't know who you think it is, either.)

Seriously: why, if I were Persephone, would Greenie think Mac of all people was Hades? He tried to lynch me on Day One. Is Greenie supposed to have thought that was all an act, and he was somehow sending me lover-hints in the middle of it? Tell you what, it looked pretty sincere from where I am.

[Folwren]

K, I'm looking over Lal's first posts of the game...

Things that stick out to me:

Some are already grouped and paired and so know more than others, others are searching for mates.

But...of all her posts, that's all that shows. And it's not much.

Next!

Found nothing on Keeper.

Next!

Looking at Shasta, I think I see what Phantom keeps talking about.:

Re: Nerwen and Nogrod - to be honest, I think they're the standard two innocent vs. innocent that generally appear during day one. The light of my life is smarter than to openly announce that she's Hades, I think. And Nogrod has a tendency to go after one person early on regardless of their alignment (I would know, ).

I didn't even emphasize those words. He did.

So, is this our man?

[Folwren]

Phantom, whatever you're up to, you don't sound like you're trying to help the village here. If you really think you've spotted Hades, then why don't you just point to the post in question, instead of making the other players jump through hoops for you? (No, I don't know who you think it is, either.)

No, he's being a real snob about it. I don't know if that's just him, or if he doesn't care if we win or not.

Seriously: why, if I were Persephone, would Greenie think Mac of all people was Hades? He tried to lynch me on Day One. Is Greenie supposed to have thought that was all an act, and he was somehow sending me lover-hints in the middle of it? Tell you what, it looked pretty sincere from where I am.

Nerwen, you may not want us to think your Persephone, because if we get that idea out of our heads, p'raps we won't find Hades and if we don't, then your lover group might just win.

On the other hand, Phantom might be Persephone, Nerwen could be Hades, and then where we be? I like that idea, however unlikely it is. Mwahahaha.

-- Foley

[the phantom]

Okay, fine. Since you're insisting that I do so, Nerwen. *grumbles*

Greenie knew who Persephone was. The only person she listed as a non-Wolf in every single list she made was Nerwen. That means she is Persephone. End of story.

From Day 1-
Re: Nerwen and Nogrod - to be honest, I think they're the standard two innocent vs. innocent that generally appear during day one. The light of my life is smarter than to openly announce that she's Hades, I think.
So yeah. There's Hades.

No doubt the remark can be given an explanation or a story to put it in context, but that does not mean innocence, it simply means there is a cover story.

(edit: x-post with Folwren. Yay! She already gave the quote.)

[Folwren]

Haha, I beat you to it! Nyaw, Nyaw!:p

[the phantom]

No, he's being a real snob about it. I don't know if that's just him, or if he doesn't care if we win or not.
Meh, kind of both. ;)

[Nerwen]

Mmn. This is getting interesting. Folwren, there's no way you could know that kind of talk is a running gag between Shasta and me– but phantom does. Oh yes, I do wonder what he is.

Meanwhile, phantom I suspect the fact that Greenie kept listing me as a non-wolf meant she, um... thought I wasn't a wolf. Sometimes things are that simple.

[Nerwen]

Anyway, I have to go now, but I'll be back later. Good night.

[the phantom]

Meanwhile, phantom I suspect the fact that Greenie kept listing me as a non-wolf meant she, um... thought I wasn't a wolf. Sometimes things are that simple.
And if things truly are that simple, then that would mean that anyone she lists as a possible Wolf at any point is, in her mind, a possible Wolf. Correct?

Now, if she knows someone is Persephone, is that person a possible Wolf? No. Therefore, using your logic, anyone that Greenie ever lists as a possible Wolf cannot be Persephone. But guess what? She lists everyone as a possible Wolf. Except you.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Okay, fine. Since you're insisting that I do so, Nerwen. *grumbles*

Greenie knew who Persephone was. The only person she listed as a non-Wolf in every single list she made was Nerwen. That means she is Persephone. End of story.

From Day 1-

So yeah. There's Hades.

No doubt the remark can be given an explanation or a story to put it in context, but that does not mean innocence, it simply means there is a cover story.

(edit: x-post with Folwren. Yay! She already gave the quote.)

Here and reading (I got off early today). Right, phantom, because Nerwen and I don't talk like that every single game. :p

Moving on...

Nerwen is, I think, innocent. I'm fairly sure I know who Phantom is, and that he's innocent (although crazy, like Sally said). Sally is Athena and thus innocent (unless she's a wolf and knows that the real Athena can't actually counter-reveal... given the way Glirdan treated not modkilling her, I wonder if that's actually the case?) Lalaith has done nothing to mitigate the suspicions on her I had yesterday, and I think Kath being Hestia makes her look worse. Mira I could almost vote for on principle - where is she and why hasn't she been modkilled yet? Folwren is a misled innocent, I'm pretty sure.

More later, but I'm fairly sure I'm going to have to vote fairly early again today.

[Lalaith]

Right, I'm back.
The Mira-related things that were bothering me were as follows:
1. I have been working on the premise that Sally is innocent, because no-one has counter-challenged her "hints". But then I thought, what if she had somehow worked out that the AWOL Mira was a wise virgin and thus she could safely make the claim in her absence? During a long and boring drive today I went through all of this and I can't see how Sally could have been so sure, so I'm back to base assuming she actually is what she's been hinting she is.
Then..the second train of thought....
2. Why have these last 2 pesky wolves been so hard to catch?
a.The AWOL issue raised its head again...surely at least one of them must be quiet...so therefore who is the quietest?? The absent players very rarely get lynched, particularly late in to the game.
b. Then I thought, surely wouldn't Mira's non-involvement imply a non-role? But then I thought, everyone left in this game has a role of some kind. So that premise doesn't actually stand up. Particularly as Mira has a tendency of not voting one day and then voting the next, and thus avoiding modfire.
c. So then I thought, following on from that, why hasn't Mira been night-killed yet? Presumably, particularly at the point when we had two rangers on our side, the wolves must surely have been going for someone who wasn't likely to be protected.
So, the upshot of all of this is, its difficult to stand up an argument for Mira being a wolf, given her lack of play and posts, on the other hand I can't see one good reason why Mira *isn't* a wolf.

[the phantom]

I can understand not wanting to rule Mira out as a Wolf, but really, there's no need to worry about her on this day. Focus on the easier lynch, and then it'll really be time to get down to work on the others. For what it's worth I'm pretty darn sure Mira is fine.

[the phantom]

Oh, and I think someone ought to say this-

WE NEED TO BANDWAGON TODAY

There are two Werewolves and a Lover. They can vote together. If we split our votes this game is over. Completely and totally over.

If ONE innocent person votes wrong, we're done.

If ONE innocent person votes right, but for a different candidate, we're done.

So yeah, if you're up in the air about Lalaith, Folwren, Sally, or me, or someone else, today is NOT the day to test things. Find your best bet at Hades and go for it. Does anyone have a more convincing Hades argument than I have put forth?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Oh, and I think someone ought to say this-

WE NEED TO BANDWAGON TODAY

There are two Werewolves and a Lover. They can vote together. If we split our votes this game is over. Completely and totally over.

If ONE innocent person votes wrong, we're done.

If ONE innocent person votes right, but for a different candidate, we're done.

So yeah, if you're up in the air about Lalaith, Folwren, Sally, or me, or someone else, today is NOT the day to test things. Find your best bet at Hades and go for it. Does anyone have a more convincing Hades argument than I have put forth?

You've put forth an argument? I must have missed it somewhere. Let's see...

1 - Your argument is based on believing that Nerwen is Persephone and that I 'hinted' at her.

1a - Nerwen may very well not be Persephone - you're assuming that.

1b - Me calling Nerwen the 'light of my life' was not a hint, it was banter, much like Nerwen's initial "What in Hades?". You're assuming that, as well.

1c - (logical conclusion) Your argument is based on two assumptions, one of which I know to be faulty (from my perspective, obviously).

Besides all that, if you're really who I think you are, we shouldn't be listening to you anyway.

[the phantom]

You missed my entire argument, bud. I didn't just assume Nerwen was Persephone.

Greenie KNEW that she was Persephone. That's where my argument takes off from.

[satansaloser2005]

Greenie knew Persephone, yes, but it's not necessarily Nerwen.

Also, an interesting quesion. Since Demeter's place was to protect Persephone, doesn't that in a way make her evil? Kind of like the cobbler's secretary or something? And if so, why would she be hinting at Persephone's identity?

Either way, really, I'm not sure I buy this.


More thoughts in a moment, but first dinner. :D

[the phantom]

Greenie knew Persephone, yes, but it's not necessarily Nerwen.
Yes it is. She's the only person Greenie ruled out as being a Wolf. Done. Over.
Also, an interesting quesion. Since Demeter's place was to protect Persephone, doesn't that in a way make her evil? Kind of like the cobbler's secretary or something?
No. Persephone is not evil in the beginning, not to mention that keeping her alive is good for the tally, and in addition having Hades die before her grants an extra power to Persephone, which she may use for the good of the village.

And perhaps most importantly, she protects Persephone at night. During the night after Tum revealed, the Werewolves could have opted to kill Persephone in order to grant Hades a revenge kill to use on Tum, but Demeter's power prevented that sort of thing.
why would she be hinting at Persephone's identity?
Because she knows it could be useful to the village. For instance- right now. ;)

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, cool. I never was quite sure on that part.

One problem with that though. The wolves couldn't have done that, because Hades wasn't allowed to say who his beloved was. I'm just sayin'.

And maybe Greenie just didn't suspect Nerwen. Think of that?

I'm going to go look at Greenie's posts myself to see what I can find. Back soon.

ETA: Oi, Downs, I wasn't done. I was trying to add that I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but that I don't think we should run with an assumption that's not been proven accurate. I'll certainly keep it in mind though.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Greenie knew Persephone, yes. That doesn't prove it's Nerwen conclusively. So not done, and not over.

I do, in fact, have to vote early. There's a chance I'll be back before DL, but I don't want to risk it.

++Keepandir of Dol Mira

[the phantom]

One problem with that though. The wolves couldn't have done that, because Hades wasn't allowed to say who his beloved was. I'm just sayin'.
But the Wolves could have figured it out even easier than I did due to the fact that they knew precisely who Hades was (so his hint would've been easy to find).
And maybe Greenie just didn't suspect Nerwen. Think of that?
Someone already made that point!

And my counter-point was- Greenie knew who Persephone was, therefore she knew that person was not a Wolf. So why list them as a Wolf? The fact is everyone here besides Nerwen was at one time or another on Greenie's radar. Would it make any sense for her to do that to Persephone? Especially when she knew good and well that, upon her death, everyone would look at her posts to see who Persephone was?

It makes no logical sense.

[satansaloser2005]

So if we want to know who to vote we need to know who not to vote for, toDay at least. However, I think I have toMorrow's lynch sealed.

Nerwen is probably not Hephaestus because she could have saved BG on Day One, but instead put in a throwaway vote for Nog which basically ensured that BG was lynched.

Shasta could be Hephaestus, for the opposite reason. He voted to bring Steve to three votes (to BG’s five at the time) and after that more people started to vote for Steve. This was almost certainly a bandwagon vote to save BG, and why else would he save her? She was his lover.

Phantom could be Hephaestus, but I don’t think it’s very likely. He voted to close Steve’s vote gap with BG but to be honest I think we all knew she was doomed at that point, so it could have been just for show, so that if Steve was lynched later and was the cursed, Phantom could do his shiny ‘I told you so’ dance or whatever. He does rather like to do that. :rolleyes:

Mira, based on Day One....she was one of the deciding votes. Probably not Hephaestus. Of course it’s possible she was counting on the entire “Steve is cursed” discussion to save BG’s hide, but I think it’s highly unlikely she would take such a high risk as BG’s lover.

Lal voted soon enough that I can’t find a voting connection strong enough to affect my opinions. The same goes for Foley.

I’m not Hephaestus because....well, I’m not. Derp.


So right now my favorite choice for Hephaestus is Shasta, seconded possibly by Lal or Foley. Everyone else (with the exception of Phantom) had a major part in dooming BG, and I can’t see Hephaestus doing that right at the start of the game.

(Note: I removed most of my meta-reasoning before I posted this, because some facts and RL opinions of other villagers was influencing my opinion on people’s votes. Thus, I draw these conclusions from the likelihood of someone acting a certain way based solely on their role.)


ETA: Awwww, he just left. Where's the fun in that?

[the phantom]

Shasta just voted for Mira.

If both are innocent, then the game is over. The Wolves and Lover merely need to tack their votes onto that vote.

But, you will observe that nothing of the sort happens. One of them is bad. Guarantee.

I've shown why it's very very likely Shasta. Can anyone make a similarly strong case for Mira utilizing known roles? If not, then you know which way to vote.

[satansaloser2005]

Greenie knew who Persephone was, therefore she knew that person was not a Wolf. So why list them as a Wolf? The fact is everyone here besides Nerwen was at one time or another on Greenie's radar. Would it make any sense for her to do that to Persephone? Especially when she knew good and well that, upon her death, everyone would look at her posts to see who Persephone was?

I've listed people I trust before as suspects. People who are moderately suspected are less likely to be Night kills, and thus are safer. So yes, you could be right, but I don't think we should plan our entire Day around that fact, at least not without everyone looking into it for themselves.

EDIT: x'd with Phantom

[satansaloser2005]

Shasta just voted for Mira.

If both are innocent, then the game is over. The Wolves and Lover merely need to tack their votes onto that vote.

But, you will observe that nothing of the sort happens. One of them is bad. Guarantee.

I've shown why it's very very likely Shasta. Can anyone make a similarly strong case for Mira utilizing known roles? If not, then you know which way to vote.

I'm pretty sure Shasta's not Hades. Rather, I'm really thinking he's Hephaestus, and he can't be both, so....you know.

I need to look over the voting record (now that I can compile it all, since someone *cough* Phantom *cough* did nothing to help with that all afternoon) in full.

Oh, and we're not done yet. Let's just make sure we all swing in the right direction.

[the phantom]

So yes, you could be right, but I don't think we should plan our entire Day around that fact
So, we shouldn't plan our day around the best piece of evidence that we have?

Show me any other knowledge available to us. Seer dreams? Nope.

The only concrete thing we have to go on is that Greenie KNEW for a FACT who Persephone was. Reading her posts, the extremely obvious conclusion is that Persy is Nerwen.

Sorry, m'dear, but that is by far and away the only logical place to start.

[satansaloser2005]

So, we shouldn't plan our day around the best piece of evidence that we have?

Show me any other knowledge available to us. Seer dreams? Nope.

The only concrete thing we have to go on is that Greenie KNEW for a FACT who Persephone was. Reading her posts, the extremely obvious conclusion is that Persy is Nerwen.

Sorry, m'dear, but that is by far and away the only logical place to start.

No, I mean we shouldn't take your word on said piece of evidence. Big difference. ;)

Love you too, Phantom, darling. :Merisu:

[the phantom]

I'm pretty sure Shasta's not Hades. Rather, I'm really thinking he's Hephaestus, and he can't be both, so....you know.
So, you don't think he's this Wolf, but rather that Wolf.

A Wolf is a Wolf. Vote for him.

[satansaloser2005]

So, you don't think he's this Wolf, but rather that Wolf.

A Wolf is a Wolf. Vote for him.

No no no no no. See my "kill Hades" post earlier this afternoon for why it actually matters which wolf we get toDay.

[the phantom]

Guess what? It's time for me to leave for softball, and I can't be absolutely certain that I'll be back before deadline. So...

++ Shasta

If I am wrong, the game is over, because the 2 Wolves and Lover will just pile on.

If I am right, and anyone innocent votes for someone other than Shasta, the game is over.

Have fun, guys. :)

[satansaloser2005]

*blinks*

I just lost the game. o_O

*gulps*

Anybody there?

[Lalaith]

Yeah, I'm here. Trying to decide what to do. Particularly as my time zone makes me have to vote so stupidly early.

On top of the various logical puzzles my fellow players are presenting, I've just thought about another thing to consider - what happens if Mira is modfired?
1 If Mira is a wolf (which I really think he is) we vote for him, and he is modfired as well, we are in a good position to win the game.
2. Even if Mira isn't a wolf, is modfired, and we have voted to lynch Mira anyway, we haven't lost the game.
3. But if Mira is modfired, isn't a wolf, AND we get the lynch wrong, we have totally lost the game.

Unfortunately I have no way of knowing if Mira is likely to post or not. I will have to go to bed long before deadline.
My head is going round in circles.

[satansaloser2005]

*cough* Mira is a girl *cough*


In other news, allow me to clarify.

Don't freaking vote for:
Sally
Phantom

Probably don't vote for:
Foley
Nerwen

Vote for:
Shasta
Mira
Lal


Considering that we can't afford to split the vote anymore than we already have, we're stuck with the first two suspects in that last category. Which is sort of fine with me, although I really think the odds are good of Lal being a wolf, possibly even Hades.

[Lalaith]

The thing is, we all seem fairly sure who Phantom is and if so why are we trusting him. In fact, CAN we be sure that Phantom is who we think he is?
Mind you I don't trust Shasta either. Could be skittish, could be sinister.

Once again, I've been trying to figure all of this out while far too sleepy. When all's said and done, I think voting for Shasta is too much of a risk and I think my Mira logic works.

++MIRA-KEEPER
PS sorry about the gender confusion

[satansaloser2005]

Oh freaking bother.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

*slinks in* Oh hai. Family crises + awful drives home + disgustingly boring day at work = massive shock that I actually remembered to get on here. Looks like it's a good thing I did, too. Dying isn't all that high up on my list of things to do tonight (not that much is after eating and sleeping).

Lynch me and you're definitely not doing the village any favors. Pick your method of convincing, but make it fastish because I can't guarantee how long I can stay awake.

[satansaloser2005]

Well who are you? Or can you say?

And oh, heavens. Foley voted on the wrong thread. *meeps* Does that still count?

[satansaloser2005]

Also, hai dere. :)

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Well who are you? Or can you say?

And oh, heavens. Foley voted on the wrong thread. *meeps* Does that still count?

Fabulous question. Guess who deleted the PM with her role? Oh, that's right, this kid. Ima try to get a hold of our fabulous mod and ask.

[satansaloser2005]

Fabulous question. Guess who deleted the PM with her role? Oh, that's right, this kid. Ima try to get a hold of our fabulous mod and ask.

You....you don't know who you are? Seriously?

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

You....you don't know who you are? Seriously?

Oh I know who I am, I just don't remembering if revealing is kosher or is going to get me yelled at.

[satansaloser2005]

Oh I know who I am, I just don't remembering if revealing is kosher or is going to get me yelled at.

Okay, gotcha. I was gonna say....:eek::rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

Well you could always put out a suspect list in the meantime?

Yeah, I know, I'm being co-dependent. I'm sugared up and lonely. Shush.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Well you could always put out a suspect list in the meantime?

Yeah, I know, I'm being co-dependent. I'm sugared up and lonely. Shush.

Ah yes, my dear, I could. However, that would require me going back and reading a whole lot of stuff that is bound to confuse me and I'm not all that sure my poor head can take that at the moment.

What I am going to do, though, is go through toDay's posts at least and hash out the implications of voicing certain thoughts and whatnot.

[satansaloser2005]

Shiny. *snuggles you, hopes you're not furry and nasty*

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Shiny. *snuggles you, hopes you're not furry and nasty*

Only if you ask Fea. :p

So I'm leaning toward Shasta. As much as I hate to admit it, phantom made a decent point regarding him. Also, I enjoy revenge votes. :Merisu:

There is a chance I could be persuaded otherwise, but sleepy!Mira would really like to be unconscious!Mira, so I'll probably vote early.

[Nerwen]

Reading her posts, the extremely obvious conclusion is that Persy is Nerwen
It may be obvious to you, tp... but I notice you consistently dodge my question. That is, how to explain Mac's trying to lynch me, from Greenie-Demeter's perspective? Now, there are characters who could have afforded to play like that on Day One, but not, I think, that particular pair. Also, reading back I notice you made a very forceful case for Mac's being Hades yourself, and maybe Greenie was following that.

Shasta could be Hephaestus, for the opposite reason. He voted to bring Steve to three votes (to BG’s five at the time) and after that more people started to vote for Steve. This was almost certainly a bandwagon vote to save BG, and why else would he save her? She was his lover.
...And this is perfectly good reasoning, too. So yeah, he might be a wolf. I mean, he's done so little this game, he could be anything. But– for obvious reasons– I'm not exactly willing to vote him on phantom's say-so.

Also, this:
Originally Posted by the phantom
So, you don't think he's this Wolf, but rather that Wolf.

A Wolf is a Wolf. Vote for him.
No no no no no. See my "kill Hades" post earlier this afternoon for why it actually matters which wolf we get toDay.

Meanwhile Lal's jumping on Mira, just as she jumped on Kath... and Mira seems to be trying to think of a role she can safely reveal as. Neither of them looks all that shining-clean to me.

EDIT:X'd with Mira and Sally.

[satansaloser2005]

Personally I think you're all evil. :(

[Nerwen]

Personally I think you're all evil. :(

What, leaving yourself out?

[satansaloser2005]

Only if you ask Fea. :p

So I'm leaning toward Shasta. As much as I hate to admit it, phantom made a decent point regarding him. Also, I enjoy revenge votes. :Merisu:

There is a chance I could be persuaded otherwise, but sleepy!Mira would really like to be unconscious!Mira, so I'll probably vote early.

Otherwise? What otherwise? It's you or Shasta; anything else will split the vote enough that the wolves might be able to just pile on someone and win.

This just looks weird.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Meanwhile Lal's jumping on Mira, just as she jumped on Kath... and Mira seems to be trying to think of a role she can safely reveal as. Neither of them looks all that shining-clean to me.

EDIT:X'd with Mira and Sally.

Ooor you don't know how awful my memory is. Ask Nienna, Fea, Lari, Alona, Shasta, wilwa, Glirdy, Formy...well you get the point. My memory is awful.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Otherwise? What otherwise? It's you or Shasta; anything else will split the vote enough that the wolves might be able to just pile on someone and win.

This just looks weird.

Well dear, last I checked you were pushing for either me, Shasta, of Lai. That would be the otherwise.

[satansaloser2005]

What, leaving yourself out?

Well I was going to explain my views on everyone, but then I wanted to make myself a snack. Then I realized that I didn't really need to post all that anyway, because you guys will be making me a snack later anyway. :rolleyes:

Bad!pun is bad. Tired!Sally is tired. :(

[satansaloser2005]

Incidentally, dear, did you see my "analysis" of you? Any thoughts/protests?

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Incidentally, dear, did you see my "analysis" of you? Any thoughts/protests?

Is this directed at me? I did see it, but didn't scrutinize. I'll go back and look just for you.

[satansaloser2005]

Is this directed at me? I did see it, but didn't scrutinize. I'll go back and look just for you.

Yup.


I may have to go to sleep for an hour or two; I'm just exhausted. Rubbish. :(

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

She has a good point here. I’m convincing myself that she remembers this because of the chart she’s just made and not because she’s Zeus (mostly because if she was, I’d kill her). I refer to this point (sort of) later down the post though; I think it’s interesting how much she talks of Zeus, etc. At first I thought she might be Zeus, but later on I think she may have figured out who he is. Either way, she’s read up on the rules quite well.

Um, sally dear? Mentioning Zeus once when it happened to be the topic of conversation at the time doesn't really qualify as talking about it a lot. Thanks for giving me way more credit than I deserve though. :p


Explaining her vote and the fact that it x’d, and says that she’s not changing her mind just to make herself look better. This makes her look slightly better to me, so I’m hoping it’s not a double bluff of sorts, saying that she’s unconcerned about her voting record to shrug off those who would accuse her based upon it.

Again, giving me more credit than I deserve. It was a legitimate cross post due to not having an adequate amount of time to devote to this game.

Commenting on Boro’s alleged hint to her (which I still don’t get, I don’t think).

Is it the hint you don't get? Boro the false Seer thought I was a ranger and was asking for protection that Night.



Here’s an interesting theory for you. I know wolves can’t share their honeys’ names with each other, but Mira!wolf could have picked up on Phantom’s exchanges with Wilwa (if they exist) and figured out that he was sort of on their side. It would explain the “random” agreement they seemed to share. It would also make sense for her to thus dismiss said theory on the thread.

Like I said, weird. Just had to get it out of my brain.

Mkay, where did this come from? Certainly not from the quote you cited right before it.


And then she DOES vote him. Must not have been any better candidates? :rolleyes:

Correct.

[satansaloser2005]

It came from a dark, twisted corner of my brain. The part that wishes it was asleep right now. (Aka all of it.)

I just thought it would be interesting if it was the case.

Gah. I just want to know who a couple of people are. I'm so close, I swear.

Someone should poke me later and make sure I'm not dead. I'm out for a bit. :p

[satansaloser2005]

Kthnx.

[Nerwen]

Otherwise? What otherwise? It's you or Shasta; anything else will split the vote enough that the wolves might be able to just pile on someone and win.

This just looks weird.

Yes, but does Foley's vote even count?

It's just, I'm developing a vague bad feeling about Lalaith now, though I'm not sure why. Maybe she's just seeming too opportunistic. Or something.

EDIT:X'd with some Sallys and Miras.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

All right, I'm falling asleep on myself. Fingers crossed this doesn't end badly.

++Shasta

[Nerwen]

So, I guess it's Shasta or Mira, then.

I was about to say, they can't both be wolves, but then I realised there's no reason they couldn't– Hades and Persephone would sacrifice Hephaestus in the last resort.

[Nerwen]

Okay, I'm thinking this out: Sally could technically have been bluffing about being Athena. However, everyone's posted toDay, and no-one's made loud noises about lynching her, so I think I can take her to be a provisional known innocent.

Does this make her necessarily right about Shasta? Well, no, because Hephaestus might have simply missed Aphrodite's hint on Day One– i.e. the people who tried to save BG had no ulterior motive.

Meanwhile, everyone seems to assume phantom is Zeus. In that case, as Zeus has apparently turned cobbler, he presumably doesn't really believe Shasta is Hades*. Does that make him necessarily wrong about him? Again no, because Zeus doesn't know the identity of the other wolves.

And if phantom is really, say, Hades to Foley's Persephone, or vice versa, or anything like that, we're more-or-less done for anyway. I'm afraid that is a possibility, too– cf. all that about telling people not to look through his posts– was he afraid we'd find something?

*Mira's ignoring this (#1151) (http://www.forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=636378&postcount=1151) isn't exactly a point in her favour. (Foley likewise, but as I said, there's nothing we can do about that.)

EDIT:clarification.

[Nerwen]

So, either

a.) Shasta and Mira are both wolves.

b.) One is a wolf, one innocent.

or

c.) Neither are wolves.

If a.) Then which one's which? Shasta cast the first vote on Mira; Mira the third on Shasta. Therefore, Shasta isn't definitely willing to kill Mira, but she's ready to kill him. This would support Shasta and Mira being Hephaestus and Hades respectively.

If b.) Which one's the wolf? I've paid zilch attention to either of them this game, so I'm not sure how good the overall case against Mira is; however based on toDay's posting she looks considerably the wolfier of the two.

If c.) we're in trouble. Unless Sally and I manage to spot the real Hades in the next hour or so, and Foley's vote is discounted, then we're going to lynch an innocent whatever.

So, logically my vote should go to Mira.

I just have this nasty feeling I'm missing something, though.

[the phantom]

No time to talk- I'm at a friend's house.

Just wanted to make sure Sally and Folwren know that everything is all up to them. Completely and totally.

If you believe my case, vote Shasta. If you don't, vote Mira.

And by the way, just thought I'd mention that Mira is innocent. I have reason to believe that she was the attempted kill on the night that the Hunter/Guardian made the save.
Meanwhile, everyone seems to assume phantom is Zeus. In that case, as Zeus has apparently turned cobbler
You mean based upon the killing of Tum? Perhaps Zeus merely decided that it would be more proper to use his kill against the side who had deprived him of his lover (the goodies). That does make sense, doesn't it?

(edit: anyway, probably done for the day, good luck)

[Nerwen]

phantom is hinting so hard that he's Zeus now, I'm getting worried he isn't.

[Nerwen]

Okay, I really can't wait any longer– too much to do. At least it seems unlikely Sally's a wolf who can jump on my vote if it's wrong.

++Mira.

Good luck!

[satansaloser2005]

A wolf is a wolf, my friend, my friend. If Shasta is not one this game will end.

++Shasta

I'm half asleep and not even wearing my glasses (:eek:) so if this is a mistake I don't want to be held responsible. Of course if I'm right (or Phantom is, for that matter) it was all my idea. ;)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I don't know if I'm allowed to post, but I'm home and Glirdan hasn't posted yet and as he didn't modkill Sally when he should have I think I'm allowed a little leeway.

You're lynching Hebe, the other remaining Shirriff and Mac's partner. Our only chance to win now is if Folwren gets online and votes Mira.

[Glirdan]

Sorry everyone!! Last minute night out with some friends!! So stop posting now lol. Yes you can all kill me later, but I will reveal when I wake up. Like I said, total last minute night out with friends and I'm JUST getting home...

[Glirdan]

Hades was dragged into the center of the ruins of the Grand Chamber, hands and feet bound. Persephone was following behind, weeping uncontrollably. The Gods were certain that Hades was behind all of the attacks. After all, the King of the Underworld did have a bad reputation for scheming against the other Gods.

He was tossed in front of Zeus, unable to get up. Zeus stared down at his brother in disgust. "For the crimes you have committed, you are condemned to an eternity in your own hell!" With that, Hades vanished into thin air.

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IN THE UNDERWORLD

Hades was thrashing about in agony. He was on fire, the souls of the undead who were stuck there were torturing him in unspeakable ways, and worst of all, Persephone was back on Olympus, unable to do anything for him......

Dead
Night 1 - Glirdan aka. Thanatos (Mod) - Scythe through the stomach
Day 1 - BeiGei aka. Aphrodite (Lover) - Suicide of a broken heart
Night 2 - Boro aka. Hermes (Seer) - Wings through the eyes
Day 2 - Eonwe aka. Only True Ordo - Plummeted to an untimely, mortal death
Day 3 - Nog aka. Poseidon (Unicorn) - Fish-fried by the other Gods
Night 4 - Lottie aka. Artemis (Hunter) - Face full of energy blast from Hera
Night 4 - Wilwa aka. Hera (Wolf Lover) - Pierced by Artemis's last shot
Day 4 - Tum aka. Apollo (Seer) - Killed by a bolt of lightning from Zeus
Day 4 - Mac aka. Hercules (Shirrif) - Pancaked by a piece of ceiling
Day 4 - Rikae aka. Ares (Wolf) - Left to freeze on the peak of Mount Olympus.
Night 5 - Greenie aka. Demeter (Protector of Youth) - Accidental beheading by Eros
Night 5 - Zil aka. Eros (Hunting Guardian) - Cross-carved stabbing
Day 5 - Kath aka. Hestia (Seer) - Killed by her own Titanic-was-actually-sunk-by-ice cream dream
Night 6 - Nienna aka. Pan (Ranger) - Tripped on a pebble and gutted by own sword
Day 6 - Shasta aka. Hades (Wolf Lover) - Condemned to his own hell

Alive
Mira
Nerwen
Folwren
Lalaith
Phantom
Sally

[Glirdan]

The Gods had gone to bed, ecstatic about their victory from the Day before and now only needing to find one more traitor amongst them. Yet they were not out of the Woods as they had thought.

That Night, the final traitor entered Dionysus's room. Yet Dionysus was prepared, he had been for the past few Days.

The moment the traitor entered the room, Dionysus sprang up with a net and ensnared him. "You have one chance to live," Dionysus said. "I'm sick of all of us dropping like flies, so I figured I would join you. I could be of some help. Besides, if you don't, I'll just take you to the rest of the Gods during the Day and be done with you."

The traitor looked at him in shock, but extended his hand. Dionysus took and they shook. The deal was set.

-------------------------------------------------

Dionysus has been changed. There are now two Wovles that you must find.

Start posting

[the phantom]

After doing my bit yesterday, I was originally planning on making very little effort today and leaving it up to everyone else to decide which person to lynch. But that was when I thought there'd be only one Werewolf. This Dionsysus turn changes things.

Okay- I won't be voting for Phantom or Nerwen or Sally today.

That leaves Lalaith, Kath, Mira, and Folwren.

So, what do you think would be easiest- catching Hephy or Dionysus? When I wake up tomorrow I'll try and do a bit of reading, and see if I can rule people out. And remember, a bandwagon would probably be a good thing at this stage.

Also, what would you guys say to the idea that Lalaith, Kath, Mira, and Folwren should vote first? Let's say- make it a requirement that they vote by 1 hour before the deadline, and if they don't then we lynch them. That will at the least keep the two Wolves from leaping onto a vote gone wrong, as Sally, Nerwen, and I will still be hanging around with our votes to tip the scales back (because remember, in this game the last person to reach the tie total gets lynched).

It seems to me that it is a sensible idea to take the tie-power completely out of the paws of the Wolves by forcing them to vote early. Do you all agree? And I really don't care to hear the argument "But YOU could be a Wolf, Phantom." Because I'm not. So really, none of that.

Anyway- I'm tired. G'night.

[Nerwen]

Okay- I won't be voting for Phantom or Nerwen or Sally today.

That leaves Lalaith, Kath, Mira, and Folwren.
Really?

Also, what would you guys say to the idea that Lalaith, Kath, Mira, and Folwren should vote first?

Good idea. Kath, why don't you go first?

Kath?

KATH!

Hey, Kath, where are you?:confused:

[satansaloser2005]

Good idea. Kath, why don't you go first?

Kath?

KATH!

Hey, Kath, where are you?:confused:


Sneeeerk.




Evil interwebs today, but I'll be in Lincoln later (visiting our late friend Tum among other things) so I'll try to be on more toward the end of the Day.

[satansaloser2005]

Quick introductory note. I typed this post yesterday at work. Thus, these are my opinions as of the middle of last Night. Goodie for me. Anyway, moving right along then.


For. The. Derp. I’d gotten the lovers’ knowledge mixed up, and forgotten that Hephaestus didn’t know Aphrodite at the start. (I’d somehow decided in my brain that since Hades knew about Persephone, Hephaestus would know who Aphrodite was.) That explains a lot. o_O

Oh well. A wolf is a wolf, and in fact that was the wolf we needed to get. So yay!


Quick pause for a vote count from yesterDay.

Shasta-->Mira
Phantom-->Shasta
Lal-->Mira (2)
Foley-->Shasta (2)
Mira-->Shasta (3)
Nerwen-->Mira (3)
Sally-->Shasta (4)



So basically Mira is not Persephone, but I figured that already. If she was, she would have just let herself die (so that at least her lover could get a wolf win, even if they as a pair lost). She’s also likely not Hephaestus; that would be some serious wolf-on-wolf, and I don’t think she cares enough (given all her RL issues right now) to get that hardcore this game. She likely would have just let herself die (as stated before) and let the slightly less stressed Shasta take the wolf victory.

Mira=innocent. My guess is Hebe, because of her hesitation about whether she could reveal.


Lal, however, is looking downright nasty. And I mean nasty. I thought she was evil yesterDay, and toDay I’m nearly sure of it. She’s either Hephaestus, trying yesterDay to save her packmate, or Persephone, trying to save her lover.

Lal=guilty. My guess is Hephaestus.


Nerwen fits into the same category as Lal. I completely believe she could be Persephone, but she could also still be Hephaestus. Her blasé attitude about my vote made me think that she is Shasta’s packmate, because if so she could have still won on her own. Of course it easily could have been an act, and I quite think it was. After Zeus’ performance, I’m thinking she (she here meaning Persephone) could turn cobbler and side with her dearly departed’s packmate.

Nerwen=guilty. Process of elimination says she’s Persephone. Thus, past tense guilt I suppose.


Since I’ve decided that Lal and Nerwen have to be evil on some level, that means Foley can’t be. I really like my previous theory of her being Dionysus (assuming it still exists). It would explain some of the anomalies in her behavior, since I don’t think she’s familiar with the role of a cursed.

Foley=innocent. Most likely Dionysus if he’s still around.


Phantom and I are crazy good. Or at least crazy. Either way....meh.

Phantom=a jerk.
Sally=innocent and snuggle-tastic.


Thus....

++Lal


Well that was anti-climactic.

[Nerwen]

I concur that Foley is our most likely Dionysus. But I think Lal should go first.

[the phantom]

So, Sally, did ya not see where it might be a good idea for you to vote last? Not only for the reasons I listed, but also this-

If Lal is indeed guilty, our other Wolf can simply climb on board with your vote using the logic that it would be unwise to split our votes. You've taken the decision out of her hands. Before voting I would've much rather actually heard from everyone first and looked to see who was trying to push us which direction while the lynch was still completely undecided. Our other Wolf could very well have set herself apart and made tomorrow's decision much easier. But now we'll never know.

[Folwren]

Good morning, everybody. Actually, it's afternoon now for me. :confused:

Anyway, I was disappointed today to see that Dyonisus was turned. I was hoping to get this game overwith today. But it was not to be.

First off - Phantom, Kath died. You guys all lynched her, remember? Or maybe you didn't....that's right, you neglected to vote that day.

Second off - Sally, I think it's pretty clear that Nerwen is Persephone. I was very confused about why she tried to duck under the claim before I realized that if Hades was killed, there was no way for her lover pair to win. She was trying to protect Hades. Phantom's reasoning as to why she is Persephone is obviously clear. First, there was Greenie's constant affirmation that Nerwen was not a wolf. Second, there was that hint laid down by Shasta. Third, their was the fact that Shasta himself was Hades and Nerwen didn't vote for him.

Third off - Seven votes were layed yesterday. Four were for Shasta, three were for Mira, although the reasoning against Mira was very shallow. There was no real reason to vote for her, while there was very, very sound reason to vote for Shasta. Let us consider who voted for Mira:

Shasta - well...duh...he was trying to save his own life.
Nerwen - She was trying to save her lover. Good for her. It kind of ticks me off, though.
Lalaith - Our (almost last) missing wolf. I'd been thinking about this all day yesterday (well, not all day, but whenever I got the chance). There was no reason to vote for Mira unless someone was trying to protect something that had to do with Shasta. No other reason makes sense. No wolf, at this point in the game, would vote for a fellow wolf. Is there any other reason she would vote for Mira and not Shasta? Her explenation for her vote for Mira in post 1137 is perfectly lame. She was literally grasping at straws.

And Fourth off - Our new problem is, Who is Dyonisus? (Gosh, I can NEVER remember how to spell the Cursed's name!) I see that some of you suspect me. Would you kindly explain why? It's easy to throw names out, but harder to put out evidence. I've noted that people think that Dyonisus will attempt to play a cobbler like position, and in all honestly, I have tried to participate whole-heartedly in this game in attempt to kill the wolves and let the God's win. Do you think I have tried to play this game in such a manner to make it confusing? I haven't, and am kind of sad that you think I have...(mostly because I already feel ridiculously stupid about not understanding half of went all the entire time...I try not to take any remarks personally, but geez...)

I'd like to suggest that Sally is Dyonisus. I know you might disagree immediately, but pause a while, and think. Everyone was surprised that Sally was not modfired when she gave such blatant hints about her identity. A few people suggested that she wasn't who she said she was. Perhaps this is the case. But, putting that aside - consider that a lot of her posts have been wide of the mark. Sometimes they were helpful...but sometimes all they did was send people (me included) into a downward spiraling mass of confusion. Her suggestion about the rangers protecting the seers, way back towards the beginning of the game, was not a good suggestion, but she tried to make it sound like one. When Phantom pointed out who Hades was, she tried to stand behind his idea and make it look like it was hers, too. All this game, she's made people think she was good. And she has been good, in a sense. But if she's Dyonisus, all that changed last night.

That's all I've got for now.

-- Foley

[Folwren]

Woah. Things have gotten way too quiet today.

[satansaloser2005]

I'd like to suggest that Sally is Dyonisus. I know you might disagree immediately, but pause a while, and think. Everyone was surprised that Sally was not modfired when she gave such blatant hints about her identity. A few people suggested that she wasn't who she said she was. Perhaps this is the case. But, putting that aside - consider that a lot of her posts have been wide of the mark. Sometimes they were helpful...but sometimes all they did was send people (me included) into a downward spiraling mass of confusion. Her suggestion about the rangers protecting the seers, way back towards the beginning of the game, was not a good suggestion, but she tried to make it sound like one. When Phantom pointed out who Hades was, she tried to stand behind his idea and make it look like it was hers, too. All this game, she's made people think she was good. And she has been good, in a sense. But if she's Dyonisus, all that changed last night.

You are kidding, right? Right? o_O

[Folwren]

You are kidding, right? Right? o_O

Why, no. Why would I be? Did I say that when people suggestd that I was the Cursed? No, m'dear, even though it's just as plain to me that I am not he, just as it is just as plain to you that you are supposedly not he. It is perfectly possible for you to be he.

[satansaloser2005]

Why, no. Why would I be? Did I say that when people suggestd that I was the Cursed? No, m'dear, even though it's just as plain to me that I am not he, just as it is just as plain to you that you are supposedly not he. It is perfectly possible for you to be he.

Except for the part where most people know what I am.

The question is, why don't you? Or rather, why are you pretending not to?

[Folwren]

Except for the part where most people know what I am.

Most people know who you are based ONLY on what you have said of yourself - in hints so blatant that people seriously thought you'd be modfired for it. Is this not a little obvious?

The question is, why don't you? Or rather, why are you pretending not to?

Why don't I what? Say, "You are kidding, right?"? Two reasons:

I know they're not kidding.

And:

So far as everyone else knows, I could be, so to say, "you're kidding, right?" would be to say, "You're out of your mind, how could you think such a thing? Don't be ridiculous, of cousre I'm not." But everyone knows that any one of us, except Nerwen, COULD BE Dyonisus. Including you, Sally.

I'm not pretending anything. I'm just acknowledging the accusation, saying, "you are wrong" and suggesting a different option.

[Lalaith]

Even though Sally didn´t follow Phantom´s plan, I am quite happy to do so, particularly as time zones oblige me to, anyway.


++Phantom

[the phantom]

Well, that vote settles matters nicely. It pretty well has to be Lalaith for the lynch today.

Tomorrow though- who knows?

[Folwren]

I'm heading to bed. Here's my vote.

++Lal

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Um so. I've been gone all day, expected at least 2 pages for me to catch up on, and come home to less than a page. Not that I'm complaining there's less effort for me to put in, but wow.

Vote to come after I eat.

[Nerwen]

If Lal is indeed guilty, our other Wolf can simply climb on board with your vote using the logic that it would be unwise to split our votes. You've taken the decision out of her hands. Before voting I would've much rather actually heard from everyone first and looked to see who was trying to push us which direction while the lynch was still completely undecided. Our other Wolf could very well have set herself apart and made tomorrow's decision much easier. But now we'll never know.
I know, but at the moment it doesn't look like it's going to be too hard.

I'd like to suggest that Sally is Dyonisus. I know you might disagree immediately, but pause a while, and think. Everyone was surprised that Sally was not modfired when she gave such blatant hints about her identity. A few people suggested that she wasn't who she said she was. Perhaps this is the case. But, putting that aside - consider that a lot of her posts have been wide of the mark. Sometimes they were helpful...but sometimes all they did was send people (me included) into a downward spiraling mass of confusion. Her suggestion about the rangers protecting the seers, way back towards the beginning of the game, was not a good suggestion, but she tried to make it sound like one. When Phantom pointed out who Hades was, she tried to stand behind his idea and make it look like it was hers, too. All this game, she's made people think she was good. And she has been good, in a sense. But if she's Dyonisus, all that changed last night.
And if she wasn't, it didn't. Point?

Also, if she's not Athena, who is?

EDIT:X'd with Meeper.

[the phantom]

I want to be sure and avoid modfire in case my internet fails on me like it did the other day, so...

++ Lalaith

[Nerwen]

There's no point holding my vote now, so–

++Lalaith

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

++Lalaith

[Glirdan]

And stop posting...Although that was done about 2 hours ago...

Be back with the tally.

[Glirdan]

Again, the end of the Day came and the Gods were ecstatic. They were sure they had found the final traitor amongst them. They threw Hephaestus in front of Zeus, who, without looking at him, snapped his fingers. That's all it took and Hephaestus was gone, nowhere to be seen. All that was left was a purple cloud of green smoke. Once the smoke cleared they noticed a little note where Hephaestus had been. Athena reached down and started reading it out loud for all to hear:

This is not the end!
For in the dead of the Night,
I have gained an ally!

The Gods looked around at each other and started to mutter. Their luck had not held out after all.

Dead
Night 1 - Glirdan aka. Thanatos (Mod) - Scythe through the stomach
Day 1 - BeiGei aka. Aphrodite (Lover) - Suicide of a broken heart
Night 2 - Boro aka. Hermes (Seer) - Wings through the eyes
Day 2 - Eonwe aka. Only True Ordo - Plummeted to an untimely, mortal death
Day 3 - Nog aka. Poseidon (Unicorn) - Fish-fried by the other Gods
Night 4 - Lottie aka. Artemis (Hunter) - Face full of energy blast from Hera
Night 4 - Wilwa aka. Hera (Wolf Lover) - Pierced by Artemis's last shot
Day 4 - Tum aka. Apollo (Seer) - Killed by a bolt of lightning from Zeus
Day 4 - Mac aka. Hercules (Shirrif) - Pancaked by a piece of ceiling
Day 4 - Rikae aka. Ares (Wolf) - Left to freeze on the peak of Mount Olympus.
Night 5 - Greenie aka. Demeter (Protector of Youth) - Accidental beheading by Eros
Night 5 - Zil aka. Eros (Hunting Guardian) - Cross-carved stabbing
Day 5 - Kath aka. Hestia (Seer) - Killed by her own Titanic-was-actually-sunk-by-ice cream dream
Night 6 - Nienna aka. Pan (Ranger) - Tripped on a pebble and gutted by own sword
Day 6 - Shasta aka. Hades (Wolf Lover) - Condemned to his own hell
Day 7 - Lalaith aka. Hephaestus (Wolf Lover) - Vanished in a purple cloud of green smoke

Alive
Mira
Nerwen
Folwren
Phantom
Sally

[Glirdan]

Dionysus crept through the halls silently, laughing at his victory. Fools, he thought to himself. Why didn't they go after the leader once Hera was gone!? He continued to sneak down the hallway to Zeus's chambers. Once he arrived, he noticed that the door was slightly ajar. He pushed it open carefully and looked around the room. This seemed to be the only room left untouched by Zeus's wrath at his wife's death.

He scanned the room and finally spotted Zeus, sitting at his window and staring up at the sky. Dionysus crept forward silently when Zeus spoke. "Do it, Dionysus. I know it is you. You always were easy to persuade. A bottle of wine here, a bit of malt there and you're won over." Dionysus stood in shock, taken completely at unawares. "What are you waiting for!? Kill me!"

"But why? Weren't you the one saying that you wanted to save our 'family'?"

"Yes, but I grow tired of this place. I want to see my wife and children again. Just do whatever it is you came to do." Zeus stood up and turned around, arms wide open. So Dionysus took it. He sprang around behind Zeus. With a thundering crack, Zeus's neck snapped and he crumbled in a heap on the floor.

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IN THE MORNING

The Gods awoke and gathered in the Grand Chamber, as had been the ritual for the past several days. Yet something was amiss. Zeus was not there when they had arrived. They awaited his arrival, believing that he was just taking his time. Several minutes went by and he still did not show up. The Gods went to his chambers and noticed that the door was completely open. They stepped in and saw his body on the floor.

The King had fallen.

Dead
Night 1 - Glirdan aka. Thanatos (Mod) - Scythe through the stomach
Day 1 - BeiGei aka. Aphrodite (Lover) - Suicide of a broken heart
Night 2 - Boro aka. Hermes (Seer) - Wings through the eyes
Day 2 - Eonwe aka. Only True Ordo - Plummeted to an untimely, mortal death
Day 3 - Nog aka. Poseidon (Unicorn) - Fish-fried by the other Gods
Night 4 - Lottie aka. Artemis (Hunter) - Face full of energy blast from Hera
Night 4 - Wilwa aka. Hera (Wolf Lover) - Pierced by Artemis's last shot
Day 4 - Tum aka. Apollo (Seer) - Killed by a bolt of lightning from Zeus
Day 4 - Mac aka. Hercules (Shirrif) - Pancaked by a piece of ceiling
Day 4 - Rikae aka. Ares (Wolf) - Left to freeze on the peak of Mount Olympus.
Night 5 - Greenie aka. Demeter (Protector of Youth) - Accidental beheading by Eros
Night 5 - Zil aka. Eros (Hunting Guardian) - Cross-carved stabbing
Day 5 - Kath aka. Hestia (Seer) - Killed by her own Titanic-was-actually-sunk-by-ice cream dream
Night 6 - Nienna aka. Pan (Ranger) - Tripped on a pebble and gutted by own sword
Day 6 - Shasta aka. Hades (Wolf Lover) - Condemned to his own hell
Day 7 - Lalaith aka. Hephaestus (Wolf Lover) - Vanished in a purple cloud of green smoke
Night 8 - Phantom aka. Zeus (Lover) - Snapped neck

Alive
Mira
Nerwen
Folwren
Sally

[satansaloser2005]

I'm not dead! I'm not dead! Yay!

....

Hold up. Why am I not dead?

....

I'm going to guess it's because Foley needs a scapegoat? Makes sense. (Of course the same could be said for Mira; she could want to keep me around because she knows I trust her more than Foley.) Either way, I'm of use to them, apparently. I'll be of even more use when I kill them, but I appreciate the gesture.



So....Nerwen, what do you know? Anything interesting?



I need to go to bed. Night, kids. :)

[Nerwen]

Well, since our mod is allowing quasi-reveals, why not take advantage of it?

Foley is– or was yesterDay– arguing that Sally was really Dionysus pretending to be Athena.

Now let's just suppose for a moment that this was, in fact, the case. It would then follow that one of the other players must be the real Athena. It isn't me, so that leaves Mira, and Foley herself.

So, let's ask her a question: Foley, if the real Athena is not Sally, do you suppose it to be Mira?

[Folwren]

Okay, I've been thinking, and doing some reading of the past thread, since yesterDay. I know my very life is on the line, and with my life, the life of the rest of the Gods.

I read over Sally's posts, keeping in mind what I had said about her and then what Sally and Nerwen said in response to my accusation, and unfortunately, my theory didn't hold much water. I'm sorry, Sally, that I accused you. I just thought it was a possibility, seeing as you'd confused me so much this game. It was a shot in the dark.

Please don't hold this against me. The fact that you're not dead could mean something to you. If you think about it, were I Dyonisus and had I realized that I'd made such a blunder, I would have gotten rid of that mistake as fast as possible. Now it's quite an awkward and sticky situation for me. I'm disappointed Phantom was killed, if you'd really like to know. He was the only one who didn't flat out say I was Dyonisus yesterday. He might have been my only hope - and therefore the rest of your all's only hope.

I need to get ready for work. Be back later.

-- Foley

[Nerwen]

Please don't hold this against me. The fact that you're not dead could mean something to you. If you think about it, were I Dyonisus and had I realized that I'd made such a blunder, I would have gotten rid of that mistake as fast as possible.
That– in this hypothetical situation you mention– would depend entirely on when you realised your blunder. Besides, I'm actually not clear how killing Sally would have fixed it.

Now it's quite an awkward and sticky situation for me. I'm disappointed Phantom was killed, if you'd really like to know. He was the only one who didn't flat out say I was Dyonisus yesterday. He might have been my only hope - and therefore the rest of your all's only hope.
Excuse me? Nobody flat-out said you were Dionysus yesterDay. Nobody's said toDay, either.

I'll tell you what, though, that bit I just quoted does sound a lot like a panicking wolf-cub to me.

[Folwren]

Excuse me? Nobody flat-out said you were Dionysus yesterDay. Nobody's said toDay, either.

Yes, ma'am. You and Sally both pointed hasty fingers:

Foley=innocent. Most likely Dionysus if he’s still around.

And then right after that:

I concur that Foley is our most likely Dionysus.

So don't get nasty with me and say, "No one accused you, you're imagining things because you're guilty." Face the facts, Nerwen - we're coming down to the end of the game. Everything's on the line now. You think I'm acting guilty because I'm scared of being lynched. Simple fact is, if I'm lynched, the game is over, God's lose, bang, you're dead, too. I'm also scared because not one scrap of doubt is being laid towards Mira when I know she's Dyonisus, and when there is evidence pointing her way. All Sally or you have ever said about me is, "That would explain the way she played. " I'm asking you, politely up to this point, "How have I played in a Dyonisus like way?"

Once I have time to post instead of work, I will show you how Mira has played in a Dyonisus like way. Which is better than what you all have done.

Geez. "I'll tell you what, though, that bit I just quoted does sound a lot like a panicking wolf-cub to me" my foot. You can really get whatever you want out of anything, can't you?

[Folwren]

Here's another place where Sally accuses me:

I'm going to guess it's because Foley needs a scapegoat? Makes sense.

It's not my imagination, Nerwen.

[Nerwen]

Foley. I'm not "getting nasty" with you. The quotes you give actually prove my point. "Most likely" is not the same thing as a "flat out" accusation.

Furthermore, that last quote continues thus:
(Of course the same could be said for Mira; she could want to keep me around because she knows I trust her more than Foley.)

I'm also scared because not one scrap of doubt is being laid towards Mira when I know she's Dyonisus, and when there is evidence pointing her way.

I refer you to the previous quote.

Geez. "I'll tell you what, though, that bit I just quoted does sound a lot like a panicking wolf-cub to me" my foot. You can really get whatever you want out of anything, can't you?
I'm not trying to, Folwren. Sorry, but that is what it sounds like. I've just shown how you're overreacting.

But anyway, if you've got evidence against Mira, you can best serve the village by presenting it. I will be looking at you both myself, but of course I may miss things.

[Folwren]

Foley. I'm not "getting nasty" with you. The quotes you give actually prove my point. "Most likely" is not the same thing as a "flat out" accusation.

It sounded pretty mean to me. But I'm dealing with taxes this morning, so that may be why my skin is so thin. :( Sorry.

But anyway, if you've got evidence against Mira, you can best serve the village by presenting it. I will be looking at you both myself, but of course I may miss things.

I will, once I've got time. no worries.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

So remember how there was debate about whether Shasta or I was evil and if one of us turned out to be a wolf the other was most likely innocent? Yeah. He was evil. He also false revealed my role. Just throwing that out there. And now I'm off to work.

[Folwren]

On day one, she was about as helpful or nonhelpful as everybody else. She left no hints as to her identity. She mentioned that for once she was actually agreeing with Phantom, and that was pretty amazing. She voted for Blind Guardian, and although that turned out badly, a lot of people voted for BG, so one can't really hold that against her, can they?

Day two: only hint she gave as to her identity was that she was NOT a Ranger:

Well as far as not confusing me, he did an awful job. As for the "ere the night ends" bit, if I didn't know any better I'd suspect he thought I had a role that would be able to protect him. Unfortunately he overestimated me.

and

Also, still not all that stoked on Boro indicating that I'm a ranger. If I was, I'd be quite annoyed for being pointed out (and thus probably dead toNight) but the fact that I have no idea where he got that from whatsoever really concerns me.

Now, the really strange behavior that pops out at a person on Day 2 is her behavior towards Phantom. On Day one she said:

Agreed.

Wait. I just agreed with phantom. There is clearly something topsy turvy about the world today.

Then on Day 2, she builds upon that and says:

The one solid(ish) thing that is sticking in my addled mind is that phantom is making a weird amount of sense. Usually he just confuses me and makes me want him dead. This could be considered a point of concern.

I don't see why Phantom making sense should be a point of concern. It was because he made such blatant sense that I trusted him the whole way through.

Then she says:

Of course, now with a lack of easy bandwagons to jump on, I'm at a total loss of who to vote for toDay. There's a legitimate chance I won't be voting in order to avoid another weak vote out of sheer annoyance.

Apparently she liked an easy bandwagon to jump on, although she claimed in post 235 (Day 1 still) she claimed she didn't join the bandwagon on purpose. Anyway, here she says she probably won't vote so that she can avoid another weak vote out of sheer annoyance... She didn't vote on Day 2.

Her case against Phantom builds on Day 3.

She went and looked over Phantom on day 3. From her post concerning him, she really doesn't draw up much dirt, but she ends with:

Based on just Day 1, however, phantom's looking rather sketchy to me. My problem lies mostly with his vote for Steve and his comment following it (282). I still have an issue with him making more sense than usual and not making me have strong homicidal feelings in his general direction, but it has been a while since he played. I'd rather not vote him toDay without getting to go through his Day 2 posts, but if a better option doesn't present itself, I probably will.

Her post about him, however, really doesn't show anything very sketchy at all - except, perhaps, his vote for Eonwe. But Eonwe did look bad. Worse than BG, who everyone lynched for no good reason. I don't like that half of what she has against him is that he's making more sense than usual and not making her have strong homicidal feelings in his general direction.

Anyway, after voting for him on Day 3, she seemed to have forgotten that approach. She did vote for him, by the way - after neglecting to look at his Day 2 posts. (Post 713)

Does this not sound strange to you? Phantom is making sense, so instead of going after someone who wasn't making sense, she tries to draw everyone's attention from a potential wolf to him. That does not seem like the actions of someone who was wanting to help the villiage. Why try to convince people to kill someone because they made more sense than usual? In my experience, if a player is helping the village by being serious and really trying to figure things out, that player is appreciated and kept around for a while - not torn at and voted for.

Now, concerning Eonwe. She says very little about him, except,

It also leads me to not put too much stake in the theories that Steve is a wolf and phantom is Zeus.

That was after she said Boro was wrong about her being Ranger, Day 2. She doesn't bother to say anything about Eonwe maybe not being the cursed. Maybe it was because she knew she was the cursed, Eonwe wasn't, so it'd be better if everyone thought he was the cursed.

She hardly posted at all on Day 4 - just enough to vote for Rikae. No participation, no comment on previous day's occurrances, crazy and insane as they were. Yes, she was tired and had family drama, and all that...I know...

The next day (Day 5?) is really strange...she arrives late, says, "Dying isn't high on my priority list, what do I need to tell you to convince you I'm not a wolf?" (paraphrased from post 1141) Sally asks, "Who are you?" Her answer...

Fabulous question. Guess who deleted the PM with her role? Oh, that's right, this kid. Ima try to get a hold of our fabulous mod and ask.

:eek:

Okay. Anyway...so she covers up by saying,

Oh I know who I am, I just don't remembering if revealing is kosher or is going to get me yelled at.

Of course it's not kosher. Glirdan explicitly said no revealing. What was she fumbling with? Good cover, though, it seemed to get Sally off the scent. But, maybe not. We were after known wolves by that point in time and the next two lynchees were Shasta and Lal. No time to suspect her further.

Sally suggested, that if she can't tell who she is, she could be helpful and put together a list of suspects. Mira says:

Ah yes, my dear, I could. However, that would require me going back and reading a whole lot of stuff that is bound to confuse me and I'm not all that sure my poor head can take that at the moment.

Not much help there.

But she offers to look over the day's posting...and all she comes up with is the obvious:

So I'm leaning toward Shasta. As much as I hate to admit it, phantom made a decent point regarding him. Also, I enjoy revenge votes.

There is a chance I could be persuaded otherwise, but sleepy!Mira would really like to be unconscious!Mira, so I'll probably vote early.

....is there is any doubt she'd NOT vote Shasta? It was really the only possible way for her to save her life. The vote was too close. It was either, vote Shasta, or vote elsewhere and die. What would any player choose? No help again.

And yesterday all she did was vote for Lal. Perfect.

Okay...there you have it. What has she done all game? Says she's not a ranger, tries to throw doubt on Phantom (because he makes extra sense), doesn't help or take part in any conversation about other suspects, now known to be guilty or otherwise, and forgets her role when questioned. Excellent, wot wot? :)

There is my case for you. Dyonisus - neither loyal to the wolves, until the end, nor to the village throughout the entire game.

-- Foley

x-posted with Mira herself. :) Hello, dear.

[Folwren]

So remember how there was debate about whether Shasta or I was evil and if one of us turned out to be a wolf the other was most likely innocent? Yeah. He was evil. He also false revealed my role. Just throwing that out there. And now I'm off to work.

One of us is Hebe, and one of us isn't. Of course the role he threw out was 'yours'.

[satansaloser2005]

I read over Sally's posts, keeping in mind what I had said about her and then what Sally and Nerwen said in response to my accusation, and unfortunately, my theory didn't hold much water. I'm sorry, Sally, that I accused you. I just thought it was a possibility, seeing as you'd confused me so much this game. It was a shot in the dark.

Please don't hold this against me. The fact that you're not dead could mean something to you. If you think about it, were I Dyonisus and had I realized that I'd made such a blunder, I would have gotten rid of that mistake as fast as possible. Now it's quite an awkward and sticky situation for me. I'm disappointed Phantom was killed, if you'd really like to know. He was the only one who didn't flat out say I was Dyonisus yesterday. He might have been my only hope - and therefore the rest of your all's only hope.

I need to get ready for work. Be back later.

-- Foley


Meh, don't worry about it. I figured you were either evil, hoping I was, or had read something wrong. (Note: categories are not mutually exclusive.) Not an issue. I'm entirely not cross about it!


However, your "defense", for lack of a better word, doesn't make sense. Let me explain.

Let's assume first that you're evil and lying about having made a mistake in the first place. You're deliberately trying to pin me as Dionysus since yesterDay, and decide that while it's unlikely, it's not a bad idea to try and convince the others. Who do you not kill last Night? Me. Because if I'm alive I'm around to be accused and to throw suspicion at. Hence why I say that if you are the last wolf, I would have been your least likely Night kill. Nerwen's clearly Persephone, a completely known innocent, Phantom's always stirring up trouble, and if you honestly didn't believe that I was Athena Mira had to be. Your last two choices were myself and Mira, and neither would have been very effective.

Now, let's assume that you're telling the truth, which regardless of your alignment I believe that you are. You've no reason to lie about it; if it wasn't a mistake, you would have kept at your case. If you're evil my above Night kill logic still stands, because you need me alive regardless of anything else simply because I'm not the most productive slaying. If you're innocent, it's a moot point because obviously you just made an error and are coming clean of it.


Either way, I'm certainly not offended, I was just perplexed at the time.


And can I just say that I slept well last Night? There was almost no way the wolf would kill me. A reminder on the roles as of yesterDay....

Nerwen: known innocent who knows one of our roles, thus eliminating two people from toDay's lynch
Phantom: essentially known innocent who was being such a jerk ;)
Sally: more or less known innocent but whose role is still in doubt
Mira: common suspect
Foley: common suspect

Seriously, who would have chosen me to kill over Nerwen or Phantom? I'm just sayin'. :smokin:


I have to get back to work. I'll be back later. :)

[satansaloser2005]

Seriously, no posts in the last like six hours?

:(

[Folwren]

lol. Well, I've said my two cents...and more, prolly.

[satansaloser2005]

But but but but....rubbish. :(

[Folwren]

Well, what would you like me to say? Tell me what to say, Sally, and I'll say it. Provided it's not against any rules of the game.

[Folwren]

I know. We could speculate about why Phantom would kill Tum way back when.

[Folwren]

Hahahaha. It's going to be a loooong night. I don't know what time it is for the rest o' ye, but it's twenty till eleven for me.

[satansaloser2005]

Terribly sorry. My darling Abigail had a random epic fail and I spent the last hour on the phone with HP support getting replacement organs.

Back now. What shall we talk about?

[Folwren]

Your call. Should it be game related or otherwise?

[satansaloser2005]

Your call. Should it be game related or otherwise?

I like cake.

[satansaloser2005]

Anyway, where are the other two? I think Mira's still working, and Nerwen?

I really can't stay up until Dusk, you know. *harrumphs*

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

I like cake as well. I also like killing people who have fur and claws and fangs and try to paint me as evil.

++Folwren

[satansaloser2005]

And here....we....go....

[Folwren]

I like cake as well. I also like killing people who have fur and claws and fangs and try to paint me as evil.

Ah, shucks. You're pretty sweet, too.

I like cake.

I prefer white cake, how 'bout yourself? Do you like icecream with it? I don't. And cake on the second day is better than cake on the first.

I LOVE homemade pies - hot - with icecream or whipped cream.

And what's your favorite book, asides LotR?

[satansaloser2005]

I prefer white cake, how 'bout yourself? Do you like icecream with it? I don't. And cake on the second day is better than cake on the first.

I LOVE homemade pies - hot - with icecream or whipped cream.

And what's your favorite book, asides LotR?

Well, my mum used to (and still does, at times) make cakes for a living, so I like just about any cake. I'm a huge fan of white cake myself though. It's nummy.

I don't like ice cream and cake together. The ice cream gets crumbs and the cake gets soggy. *shrugs* Pie with whipped cream though, nummy nummy.


I really quite like Harry Potter, most things by Charles Dickens, and the Princess Bride, among others. I'm currently re-reading the complete Sherlock Holmes. And yourself?

[Folwren]

I really quite like Harry Potter, most things by Charles Dickens, and the Princess Bride, among others. I'm currently re-reading the complete Sherlock Holmes. And yourself?

What books have you read by Charles Dickens? I really, really like A Tale of Two Cities. I've also read A Christmas Carol, Oliver Twist, and Great Expectations. Princess Bride is a book? Didn't know that. I also like Sherlock Holmes - The Valley of Fear is probably my favorite.

But my favorite book outside of LotR, hey? Ah-hm....The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexander Dumas is really good. I love Master and Commander and H.M.S. Surprise by Patrick O'Brian (two books out of a series).

[satansaloser2005]

What books have you read by Charles Dickens? I really, really like A Tale of Two Cities. I've also read A Christmas Carol, Oliver Twist, and Great Expectations. Princess Bride is a book? Didn't know that. I also like Sherlock Holmes - The Valley of Fear is probably my favorite.

But my favorite book outside of LotR, hey? Ah-hm....The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexander Dumas is really good. I love Master and Commander and H.M.S. Surprise by Patrick O'Brian (two books out of a series).

Goodness. To be honest, it's been ages since I read a lot of my Dickens books. For whatever reason I didn't like Great Expectations, but I have a copy of Christmas Carol/Cricket on the Hearth that's from the twenties; it rather goes a lot of places with me.

The book is, amazingly enough, even better than the movie. Seriously, read it.

I love Sign of Four and some others. I also heart Grimms fairy tales.

Haven't read either of those, I must admit.

[Folwren]

I may know why you didn't like Great Expectations. I know that I didn't like it so much because the main character was a...a...coward and an ungrateful wretch. It's hard to like such a character, and when one doesn't like the main character in a book, it's hard to like the book.

Do you like horses?

[satansaloser2005]

I may know why you didn't like Great Expectations. I know that I didn't like it so much because the main character was a...a...coward and an ungrateful wretch. It's hard to like such a character, and when one doesn't like the main character in a book, it's hard to like the book.

Do you like horses?

You know, that might be it. Never really got into the characters. Of course I could say the same for the Great Gatsby; that book just annoyed me.

Not really, no, alas. I get motion sickness and they tend to try to eat my hair.

[Folwren]

Not really, no, alas. I get motion sickness and they tend to try to eat my hair.

That's super funny. My siste rgot motion sickness once, riding one of my horses. At a walk, Baby has a very bouncy step. It's almost literally like riding a rocking horse.

So, if you could be a part of any Middle-earthian race, what would it be?

[satansaloser2005]

That's super funny. My siste rgot motion sickness once, riding one of my horses. At a walk, Baby has a very bouncy step. It's almost literally like riding a rocking horse.

So, if you could be a part of any Middle-earthian race, what would it be?

Aw, nice. I've only ridden a horse once that I can remember, and it ended poorly.


I'm clearly a hobbit. :)

[satansaloser2005]

Blah. I hate to break up the party but I need to get some sleep.

Good night, everybody! Hope to see you come Dawn! :)

[Folwren]

Erm....are ye not going to vote?

[satansaloser2005]

*peeks back in*

Also, I can kill you with my brain.

++Foley














EDIT: x'd with Foley
Mira, if you're the wolf I demand a pretty mug to go with my pretty bowl.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Mira, if you're the wolf I demand a pretty mug to go with my pretty bowl.

Oh good I'm off the hook for making you things then. :p

[Folwren]

I note you never brought any evidence against me, where as my points against Mira were pretty dang good.

Nerwen, it's up to you. I'm voting now, 'cause waiting any later would be a waste of energy for me.

++Mira

Goodnight. Don't condemn the village to a traitorous turncoat, Nerwen, please.

[Nerwen]

Okay, this is a tricky one.

Mac(Hercules) has left no particular ties to either Foley or Mira. Mira has actually not done anything particularly suspicious, except perhaps for the "forgetting" business– but then that's because, until recently, she's barely played!

Foley's analysis of Mira seems like clutching at straws, and her final summing-up There is my case for you. Dyonisus - neither loyal to the wolves, until the end, nor to the village throughout the entire game.
actually could be applied to her own erratic playing throughout the game very nicely– is it perhaps significant that she thinks this is how Dionysus "should" play? (Of course, if she's Dionysus, she can't spell it, which is odd.)

Also:

Interesting way to make the game...interesting, Zues. Good gravy, this is insanity itself.

And Mac, a ranger, has dropped out, too? We're in dire straights, folks.

Oh, sorry...I see now. He was Sherrif, not ranger.
The smoking gun? Otherwise, she's Hebe playing dumb to hide her identity, but why?

[Nerwen]

I note you never brought any evidence against me, where as my points against Mira were pretty dang good.

The only reasonably good point you raised against Mira is the business about her "forgetting" if she could reveal– which, as I said that Day, could have been a baddie trying to think of a safe role to fake. Other than that... you haven't really made a case at all. Believe me, I was genuinely interested to see if you could.

[Nerwen]

Well, then–

Folwren.

[Glirdan]

Sorry this is late...Was out late and am just getting in.

Foley was the one chosen to be lynched. But before I reveal anything, I would like to have an actual narration...which sadly will not happen right now (I have a massive migraine that's been going on for the past 15 hours...). I will have everything up tomorrow as soon as I can, so keep your eyes peeled! :D

[Glirdan]

A HISTORY LESSON
Once long ago, the Titans created the Gods. The Gods in an usurped the Titans and Zeus had them all killed or imprisoned (or in Atlas's case, holding up the earth) and the reign of the Olympians began.

At the start of their reign, the Fates had declared that their reign would not last forever and that The Twilight of the Gods would soon come. Yet the Gods in their foolishness and selfishness did not heed the Fates. So they took reign of the Earth.

THE REASONS
Zeus tricked his brother Hades into ruling the Underworld, making Hades jealous and angry with Zeus.

Zeus and Hera together, created man. Yet Zeus's love for Man made Hera jealous, the last straw being Zeus's illegitimate child Hercules. After all, he had already had Athena, Ares, Hebe and Hephaestus with her, Persephone with Demeter and countless other children.

Hephaestus was hideously disfigured and his mother despised him for it.

Ares just loves to create chaos being the God of War.

THE FINAL CHAPTER
Eight days previous, none of the Gods would have expected that there would only be four remaining. Yet here they stood, in the ruins of the Grand Chamber in Mount Olympus, for what they hoped would be the last time. Athena, Persephone, Hebe and Dionysus stood there, gazing at the wreckage of what used to be their home. Each of them was lost in their own thoughts and memories of this beloved place.

But there was still work to be done. And for Dionysus, this did not bode well. There were three powerful women in front of him: Athena, the wisest of them all, Persephone, a scorned lover, and young, innocent Hebe, who had lost all of her family to the chaos of Dionysus's masters.

Dionysus started to sneakily inch his way towards the collapsed archway that was the entrance, yet Hebe caught him in the act and grabbed him by the back of his cape (though a total glutton, the cape made him seem a little less so), grabbed a dagger and pinned it to the floor.

Athena and Persephone grabbed hold of his legs and pulled, making him fall with a deafening boom, that thundered throughout the empty halls of Olympus. Each woman had grown accustomed to carrying a sword of the last few days, so each had theirs on hand and drew them simultaneously, and each started lashing Dionysus with them, leaving tiny little scars. Yet the fire and hatred that was in each of their eyes was what was really tormenting Dionysus.

The women did not stop...Until Persephone pulled out three flasks of wine, giving one to the other two Goddesses and keeping one for herself. All three of the uncorked the flasks and slowly poured the wine into the cuts that were left on Dionysus's body, and did not waver as he screeched in agony. The women did not relent. The kept repeating the process.......Until Dionysus went to take a deep breath, but the Goddesses caught this. Hebe poured wine into his gaping mouth, whilst Athena slashed at his windpipe.

Dionysus gasped and gurgled for air, but couldn't. The Goddesses watched him as his body shook in agony, making no noise, until, with a last spasm, he stopped moving entirely.

The Goddesses turned in disgust at the dead body of their fellow God and made their way through the empty halls, past Zeus and Hera's chamber, where Zeus's body still lay in heap on the floor. Past the dead body of Pan, still pin cushioned by his own sword. Past the spot where Demeter's head was severed by Eros, who was then slain by the traitors.

They walked all the way down, out of Mount Olympus, without saying a word or taking a single glance back at what used to be their home. They continued to walk, into the sunset, until...they were gone.

The Twilight of the Gods had finally ended.

Dead
Night 1 - Glirdan aka. Thanatos (Mod) - Scythe through the stomach
Day 1 - BeiGei aka. Aphrodite (Lover) - Suicide of a broken heart
Night 2 - Boro aka. Hermes (Seer) - Wings through the eyes
Day 2 - Eonwe aka. Only True Ordo - Plummeted to an untimely, mortal death
Day 3 - Nog aka. Poseidon (Unicorn) - Fish-fried by the other Gods
Night 4 - Lottie aka. Artemis (Hunter) - Face full of energy blast from Hera
Night 4 - Wilwa aka. Hera (Wolf Lover) - Pierced by Artemis's last shot
Day 4 - Tum aka. Apollo (Seer) - Killed by a bolt of lightning from Zeus
Day 4 - Mac aka. Hercules (Shirrif) - Pancaked by a piece of ceiling
Day 4 - Rikae aka. Ares (Wolf) - Left to freeze on the peak of Mount Olympus.
Night 5 - Greenie aka. Demeter (Protector of Youth) - Accidental beheading by Eros
Night 5 - Zil aka. Eros (Hunting Guardian) - Cross-carved stabbing
Day 5 - Kath aka. Hestia (Seer) - Killed by her own Titanic-was-actually-sunk-by-ice cream dream
Night 6 - Nienna aka. Pan (Ranger) - Tripped on a pebble and gutted by own sword
Day 6 - Shasta aka. Hades (Wolf Lover) - Condemned to his own hell
Day 7 - Lalaith aka. Hephaestus (Wolf Lover) - Vanished in a purple cloud of green smoke
Night 8 - Phantom aka. Zeus (Lover) - Snapped neck
Day 8 - Folwren aka Dionysus (Cursed) - Wine suffocation

Alive
Mira aka. Hebe
Nerwen aka. Persephone
Sally aka. Athena

[Glirdan]

This was a challenge as all I wanted to do was pick people to give the roles too. This ended up happening with Wilwa, phantom and Kath. Why? Wilwa brought me a Kath for my birthday and Wilwa convinced phantom to play. End of story. :p

But the rest were kind of fun to pick. I wrote the remaining 16 players names on small sheets of paper, folded them up and put them in my fedora. I then grabbed another sheet and wrote the role on it. I drew six names from it. From those six names, I looked at the gender of the God/Goddess and removed the opposite sex (you’ll see what I mean in a minute) then put the remaining names back in the hat and drew until one player’s name had been drawn five times. This is how the draws happened

NOTE: I have little comments for each of them because something happened

Poseidon
First Draw – Eonwe, Greenie, Lottie, Lalaith, Zil, Nog
Removed – Greenie, Lottie, Lalaith
Second Draw
Eonwe 4
Zil 2
Nog 5

*This was funny for me as Eonwe was leading and was JUST about to get the role before Nog swooped in with another three times. Oh, and keep watching the player’s drawn on the first draw and you’ll notice something that made me laugh!

Hades
First Draw - Rikae, Eonwe, Lalaith, Greenie, Shasta, Nienna
Removed - Rikae, Lalaith, Shasta, Nienna
Second Draw
Eonwe 3
Shasta 5

*Not gonna lie, I was kind of hoping this one would work out this way….Sorry Eonwe!!! Don’t hate me!!

Persephone
First Draw - Zil, Greenie, Boro, Nerwen, Nienna, Mac
Removed - Zil, Boro, Mac
Second Draw
Greenie 2
Nerwen 5
Nienna 2

*Nerwen won this one in a landslide ladies. I had a feeling it would be her because her name had three points to it before either of you two had on. And I hope you’ve all caught two names that have kept resurfacing in all of these!

Demeter
First Draw - Boro, Tum, Eonwe, Folwren, Nienna, Greenie
Removed - Boro, Eonwe
Second Draw
Tum 1
Folwren 2
Nienna 1
Greenie 5

*Another landslide. Greenie finally got a role after having her name drawn EVERY SINGLE time to this point! I was REALLY tempted to just give the role to Nienna (all Bostonmooters [and probably Genevamooters as well] would fully understand why [LOVE YOU Ni!!]) but I figured that Greenie deserved it after having her name drawn three times and getting nothing. Oh, and in the first four draws, all four ladies were drawn once.

Hebe
First Draw - Lalaith, Rikae, Boro, Mira, Zil, Folwren
Removed - Boro, Zil
Second Draw
Lalaith 4
Rikae 4
Mira 5
Folwren 4

*I honestly had no idea which way this was going to go because it was close throughout the entire thing. Every time I drew a name, it was a different one (obviously).

Hercules
First Draw - Rikae, Lalaith, Mac, Folwren, Zil, Nienna
Removed - Rikae, Lalaith, Folwre, Nienna
Second Draw
Mac 5
Zil 4

*Again, another REALLY close round. Everytime I drew Mac, Zil’s name would follow right behind it.

Apollo
First Draw – Tum, Nienna, Boro, Lalaith, BeiGei, Zil
Removed - NONE (Will explain in footnote)
Second Draw
Tum 5
Nienna 1
Boro 2
Sally 4
BeiGei 4
Zil 3

*The reason I did not remove any names from this round is because Apollo is the True Seer and I felt like mixing it up. At this point, I started cutting the names being drawn from 6 to 4

Hermes
First Draw – Eonwe, Zil, Boro, Rikae
Removed - NONE (Will explain in footnote)
Second Draw
Eonwe 1
Zil 1
Boro 5
Rikae 0

*Same reason as Apollo, as the False Seer, I did not want Hermes to have any gender constriction…a lot of good that did eh? And at this point, I only have two male players left with many more male roles, so all names remain in at this point.

Ares
First Draw - Rikae, Folwren, Lottie, Eonwe
Second Draw
Rikae 5
Folwren 3
Lottie 4
Eonwe 4

*This was an entertaining draw for me as Lottie wasn’t even on the map as the other three had two draws each, and then Lottie came out of nowhere and had four votes, with Rikae still at two. Yay randomness!! At this point, three names are being drawn.

Hephaestus
First Draw - Zil, Eonwe, Lalaith
Second Draw
Zil 2
Eonwe 0
Lalaith 5

*Poor Eonwe still hasn’t received a role yet and I think there have only been a couple of times when his name wasn’t drawn.

Aphrodite
First Draw - Folwren, BeiGei, Zil
Second Draw
Sally 2
BeiGei 5
Zil 4

*Another interesting round. Zil had four draws by the time Foley even had one and BeiGei had two.

Pan
First Round - Eonwe, Lottie, Nienna
Second Round
Eonwe 2
Sally 1
Nienna 5

*Eonwe got gypped again!! Nienna is lucky though because the role after next to be handed out is the Hunter…and some of us know her terrible luck with Hunters lol. Note at this point, two names are being drawn.

Dionysus
First Round - Eonwe, Folwren
Second Round
Eonwe 0
Folwren 5

*….And again gypped. Just not his luck I guess!

Artemis
First Round - Lottie, Eonwe
Second Round
Lottie 5
Eonwe 2

*And gypped once more!! Maybe he’ll get lucky with the next round!?

Eros
Zil 5
Eonwe 2

*And again, he misses which means….

Athena
Eonwe 0
Sally 5

*Definitely not his day…In other words, I’m sorry Eonwe. This is what happens when it is quite literally luck of the draw!! Don’t hate me!!

[Glirdan]

True Seer Dreams

Night 1 – Nog – Poseidon
Night 2 – Lottie – Artemis
Night 3 – Rikae - Ares
Night 4 – Zil - Eros

False Seer Dreams

Night 1 – Keeper (aka Mira) – Hestia
Night 2 – Nerwen – Athena

2nd False Seer Dreams

Night 3 – Nogrod – Artemis
Night 4 – Nerwen - Hercules
Night 5 – phantom - Hebe

Wolf Picks

Night 2 - Boro
Night 3 – Mira
Night 4 – Lottie
Night 5 – Zil
Night 6 – Nienna
Night 7 – Folwren
Night 8 – phantom

Ranger Picks

Night 2 – the phantom
Night 3 – Lottie
Night 4 – Sally
Night 5 – Kath
Night 6 – Sally

Hunter Picks

Night 2 - Tum
Night 3 –
Night 4 - Wilwa

Persephone Guess

Night 2 – Wilwa
Night 3 – Shasta

Eros Picks

Night 2 – Greenie (Protect)
Night 3 – Mira (Protect)
Night 3 – Mac (Hunt)
Night 4 - phantom (Protect)
Night 4 – Nienna (Hunt)
Night 5 – Foley (Protect)
Night 5 – Greenie (Hunt)

Others

Mytho – Night 2 – Boro
Zeus Kill – Day 4 – Tum
Persephone Dream – Night 7 - Lalaith

Oh, just to clear the air, Tum was the True Seer, Boro and Kath were the false.

I think that's everything from me, so go ahead and post everyone!!

Thanks for a great game!! :D

[Loslote]

Right, well, first off, I owe a huge apology to Nog and Tum. I was totally wrong about you guys. I meant to say it Day 4, but see, I couldn't. So sorry!

~~~

Thanks for modding, O Wonderous Modly One of Glird! :D And as it happens, Artemis was pretty much the best role I could've gotten, so yay for randomness!

Zil, I have our pms, and I can post them soon. (I would post them now, but it's already midnight-thirty, and I want to go to bed soon!)

Great game, guys! Good job winning the game, Good Team. (@Sally: :Merisu:)

[Nerwen]

You know, I wasted my dream, since I basically knew Lalaith was a wolf. (No, my beloved didn't break any rules by telling me directly, but it wasn't too hard to work out). However, I'm glad I did– the last Day would have been pretty dull if I'd known Foley's role for certain all along.

Glirdan[/B]]Oh, just to clear the air, Tum was the True Seer, Boro and Kath were the false.

I thought so. Of course I'd intended that Day to make a case for her being the False Seer to keep the sheep off Lalaith, but when I looked through her posts I realised she actually was false. So that ended up being a completely honest analysis from a (then) villain.

[Inziladun]

Excellent job, village! That was a most formidable wolf-pack to begin with, and you even had the Cursed against you at the end.
I feel bad for my relentless pursuit of Tum, but Lottie and I had decided she was our number 1 suspect fairly early on. I left her unprotected after she revealed with the expectation that Pan would probably have protected her that Night, and then we could simply trade off. Thanks for ruining that, phantom. :rolleyes:
Lottie was a great partner to have on this. It's always interesting to go back and read PM's with hind sight. You can post them, Lottie. I don't think I said anything that wasn't family-friendly. Look over them, though. :p
The Mira- save was founded on the belief that the wolves would have been tempted to go after her based on Boro's "hint" to her. Glad to see that was apparently the case!
And my killing Greenie? Well, I'd been afraid one of the quiet ones (e.g. Kath, Lalaith, Greenie, or Nienna was slipping under my radar. Nog had said some things about suspecting Greenie because she was being so nice to him, or something of that nature, and that tipped the scales in her favour. Add to that the fact that when I sent that pick in to Glirdan I was waiting for a table at a seaside restaurant that has the most excellent crabcakes one could imagine, and I might not have been thinking entirely clearly. ;)

[Folwren]

Thanks for modding, Glirdan! I enjoyed this game very much. :) I'm flattered that my death took so long. Though, I must say, I imagined my character much different. ;) (Forgive me...that's what comes of being a RPGer, I imagine characters in depth. Ah well.)

That was a pretty intense game...Especially there at the end.

I have a question for the three remaining players, but mostly for Nerwen and Sally:

It was said more than once that if I were Dionysus (which, apparently, I was), that would explain for the way I played throughout the game. Will you please tell me how exactly you mean that I played? You see, I played my very best for the good of the gods, I really, trully did. I dreaded being turned the entire time, for I have a hard time changing loyalties like that, and I was actually really upset about being changed at the last minute.

Phantom - why did you kill Tum?

-- Foley

[Rikae]

*sigh* From the moment I saw Shasta and Nerwen's hints, I knew they were going to come back to bite us. But in fairness to them, they rreally did need to get in contact with each other.

I can see I'm becoming the person no one bothers to suspect because they know the seer will dream them... maybe I'll stick to seer-free games from here on out! :D

And I'd just like to say I quite liked my role. God of war suits me very well, I think.... and it was a cool coincidence that our old wolf-pack from the previous unfinished game was sort of reunited. Good game, everybody!

[satansaloser2005]

For what it's worth, Rikae darling, I figured you were evil, but I had bigger minds to melt at the time, because I figured you'd eventually make yourself suspect to everyone else. I was rather disappointed when you were dreamt, actually. It takes all the fun out of life.

Oh, and Shasta? You need to link that post, 'cause I can't find it. That hint completely made my Day though. Of course I was hoping I could butter you up for a while (or that you'd just stay lurking in the shadows and that my precious Dun would kill you, but obviously that ddn't pan out) but again, somebody ruined my fun. Jerk. ;)