Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, Quarantine Thread

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Is there beer in the QT? If so, all is well.
Yeah, but it is Bud Light...
The type of beer you're gonna get, Zil, depends on whether you're innocent or not.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I hear there's gin and tonic. :D

Exactly!

[Lalaith]

OMG will Eonwe never die?

[Lalaith]

Exactly!

I am ashamed to say that I am currently drinking cider.
In my defence it is very nice, dry cider.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I don't know but it's the gin tonic thread and Lalaith likely brought wine. :D

Just a moment. I know where each of these comes from, but isn't that a bit too much? What are we now, officially the drinking thread? Where did we earn that reputation?

EDIT: x-ed with Lalaith. LALAITH! What are we, a bar?!?

Seemingly, we are :D

[Rikae]

Parting words. Didn't have time to accomplish everything I wanted to....


:(

[Lalaith]

My best wolf life was the Cottage of Lost Play when I got everyone drunk. :evil:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

:(

Yes, well, let's see. I mean he's written down some things. Future is in the future. Can't wait to see everybody's role once this whole mess is explained.

[Galadriel55]

OMG will Eonwe never die?

Or Boro :smokin:

[Macalaure]

Well, at least my feeling on Inzil was correct, other than that... ugh!

Having said that, Hi Inzil! :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, I guess it is then...

Welcome, Zil! And I personally am sorry for ever doubting you and perhaps, unwittingly, leading to this moment.

But here. Have some of our best beer... and then you can try to make sense of what we've been doing here in the past Days (and Nights).

We'll be also most curious about your input and ideas and all.

[satansaloser2005]

Well, I did say it was likely Dun and I were both innocent.... :rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

OMG will Eonwe never die?

++Lal for representative

[Nogrod]

Here's to you! * raising a glass of nice and light Portuguese red wine *

And welcome Inzil. I hope the narration gave you some solace for the maltreatment you got in the game. :)

[Nogrod]

Galadriel55 – Andróg, the Cobbler (voted into QT on Day1)

Rikae – Haldir, formerly healthy person (infected by the shady Infectors on Night2)

Huinesoron – Hareth, an Infector (voted into QT on Day2)

Kitanna – Huor, the Ranger (infected in the woods by the Infectors on Night3)

Sally – Túrin, the Hunter (voted into QT on Day3)

Macalaure – Grithnir, healthy person (dragged into the QT by the Hunter on Day3)

Legate of Amon Lanc – Asgon, healthy person (infected sneakily on Night4)

Lhunardawen – Sador, an Infector (voted into QT on Day4)

Lalaith – Rían, healthy person (overrun and infected by the Infectors on Night5)

Inziladun – Halmir, healthy person (voted into QT on Day5)

[Huinesoron]

Hi Zil! Welcome to the infirmary... bar? Sure, why not?

hS

[Galadriel55]

Welcome, Inzil! *raises a glass of her favourite beverage - believe it or not - milk*

[Lalaith]

Zil
Welcome. Have a drink. You probably need one.
I didn't think you were bad. :Merisu:

[Inziladun]

Hello, all and sundry! (eyes G55, Huey, and Lhuna;))

Zil
Welcome. Have a drink. You probably need one.
I didn't think you were bad. :Merisu:

Well, thanks, As a matter of fact, I do have a frothy beverage.

[Inziladun]

I'm actually really surprised to have not been here before now. I usually get lynched by Day 3 at the latest.

[Inziladun]

We'll be also most curious about your input and ideas and all.

Well, I shall do all I can. I'll have to get cracking and catch up here.

[Lhunardawen]

I will make up one way or another for your absence in my list, Zil. I promise!

[Inziladun]

i will make up one way or another for your absence in my list, zil. I promise!

:d

[Lhunardawen]

If it's any consolation to you, I didn't think you were bad, either. ;)

[Inziladun]

If it's any consolation to you, I didn't think you were bad, either. ;)

I should hope not!

[Huinesoron]

If it's any consolation to you, I didn't think you were bad, either. ;)

I did! :D

hS

[Inziladun]

I'm only part way through this thread, but it never ceases to amaze me that when I'm a wolf, I'm suspicious because I'm too careful. When I'm innocent, I'm suspicious because I'm too vocal. :rolleyes:

[Macalaure]

It tells me that dead innocents trusted someone here yesterday

Ya don't say... :rolleyes:

I second-guessed my case for Boro being the seer after all this, but re-reading, I still see it. I think what happened was that Boro didn't dream of a wolf, again, so he didn't have any name to give us and didn't want to lose our trust by giving us a mere suspicion only for that mere suspicion to quite possibly turn out to be wrong.

Instead, he used our trust, the wretch! :p I think Rune was just a more or less random name he threw at us to see what the living would do with it.

It might turn up beneficial/we find out more from it tomorrow, but for today, it's too much of a turnaround to make in 2 hours.This sounds like he primarily expected to learn from it. Both here and in
For what it's worth, I would say stay the course, if you weren't going to vote for Rune before the QT vote came out and are only considering him for those reasons than better to go with Ka.he actively tries to dissuade people from following "our" lead. He didn't actually want to see his bait lynched. Also, assuming Rune is innocent (which he is, for all we and presumably Boro know), his survival leaves the village's trust in us more intact: not following is better than following and being wrong.

Most suspicious of Eonwe for the quick latch onto QT's vote.This, too, looks like he laid a trap.

I can't see an ordo or the Child act the way he does. At all. If he's a wolf faking it, he is showing quite amazing commitment and consistency. Has it ever happened that a wolf faked being the seer (for more than a day or two) and got away with it?

Parting words. Didn't have time to accomplish everything I wanted to....Let's hope he only meantI intend to take more detailed look at THE Ka, Kath, and Greenie today.Finally dreaming of Greenie now, since that's the one he didn't get to?


(It did occur to me, too, that Boro might be a wolf and the pack intentionally planned on sacrificing I-don't-like-being-a-wolf Lhuna. I like the idea, I must say, but I don't think it's realistic.)

[Inziladun]

(It did occur to me, too, that Boro might be a wolf and the pack intentionally planned on sacrificing I-don't-like-being-a-wolf Lhuna. I like the idea, I must say, but I don't think it's realistic.)

I've seen an argument here for Boro being the Seer. I had toyed with that, partly as a way to explain his odd behavior. But then I'd also picked up Seer vibes from Shasta, as in "X is good, Y is dodgy, end of discussion".

[Inziladun]

For the record, Kit, I do feel bad about drawing attention to your slip. I honestly couldn't see it as anything other than evil intent, and I had no doubt it had been noticed by the wolves already.

[Kitanna]

For the record, Kit, I do feel bad about drawing attention to your slip. I honestly couldn't see it as anything other than evil intent, and I had no doubt it had been noticed by the wolves already.
*glaring intensifies*

[Lhunardawen]

For the record, Kit, I do feel bad about drawing attention to your slip. I honestly couldn't see it as anything other than evil intent, and I had no doubt it had been noticed by the wolves already.

*glaring intensifies*

:D :D :Merisu:

[Galadriel55]

I'm only part way through this thread, but it never ceases to amaze me that when I'm a wolf, I'm suspicious because I'm too careful. When I'm innocent, I'm suspicious because I'm too vocal. :rolleyes:

For my part, I suspected you somewhat in the first couple Days because of the lack of being involved in some hotspot of suspicion largely based on feeling off. :rolleyes: You didn't get involved in any tussel on D1, and no one started making you the center of attention initially, especially on a wishywashy basis. My first thought was that it must be to avoid focusing the village on you. I had serious doubts of your wolfishness N3 onwards. But like I said on D1, there seems to be a voice in everybody's head that says "Lynch Inzil", and you just can't win with it. If it's there, you're suspicious for its presence. If it's not, you're suspicious for its abscence. :(

[Inziladun]

I had serious doubts of your wolfishness N3 onwards. But like I said on D1, there seems to be a voice in everybody's head that says "Lynch Inzil", and you just can't win with it. If it's there, you're suspicious for its presence. If it's not, you're suspicious for its abscence. :(

According to my stats (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=693191&postcount=371) (woefully out of date), I've survived to the end more than I remembered. It seems I always to start getting suspected by Day 2 or so though.

[Lalaith]

Anyway please can we tell them to lynch Eonwe tomorrow.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Anyway please can we tell them to lynch Eonwe tomorrow.

I wouldn't be opposed to that, of all things.

[Inziladun]

Anyway please can we tell them to lynch Eonwe tomorrow.

I could get behind that.

[Lhunardawen]

According to my stats (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=693191&postcount=371) (woefully out of date), I've survived to the end more than I remembered. It seems I always to start getting suspected by Day 2 or so though.
I can hardly believe we've played together only once before, and that was 26 games ago! :eek:

[Kitanna]

Anyway please can we tell them to lynch Eonwe tomorrow.

I can get behind this.

[Inziladun]

I can hardly believe we've played together only once before, and that was 26 games ago! :eek:

I was thinking I'd played with you at least once, but I had no specific memory. As a result, I had no read whatever of your playing style.

[Lhunardawen]

I was thinking I'd played with you at least once, but I had no specific memory. As a result, I had no read whatever of your playing style.
I trusted you were innocent, you trusted I was innocent, thankfully we both were. But Noggie and his spiderlings won. :mad:

I'm not sure I even have a playing style to begin with.

[Macalaure]

Unless something else comes up, I'm very ok with going for Eonwe.

[satansaloser2005]

Also up for voting Steve.

[Rikae]

Why are we deciding who to vote in the middle of the night? Let's see who joins us, what they say, what Boro says if he's not that person (if he dies tonight he still gets another dream, right?) Certainly he singled Steve out in his last post like a dreamed wolf and that's good reason as things stand,but chill, folks.:p

Could be there's another dreamed wolf tomorrow. Could be our vote is likely to be disbelieved and we need to use reverse psychology. Could be Steve seer reveals and outs Boro as a very naughty boy. A lot can happen.

[Lalaith]

Eh, I was just doing a bit of prepping. I've been wanting to off Steve for days and days :smokin:

[Inziladun]

Could be there's another dreamed wolf tomorrow. Could be our vote is likely to be disbelieved and we need to use reverse psychology. Could be Steve seer reveals and outs Boro as a very naughty boy. A lot can happen.

I was mulling the odds that Boro is a wolf trying to look like the Seer. :eek:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Why are we deciding who to vote in the middle of the night? Let's see who joins us, what they say, what Boro says if he's not that person (if he dies tonight he still gets another dream, right?) Certainly he singled Steve out in his last post like a dreamed wolf and that's good reason as things stand,but chill, folks.:p

Could be there's another dreamed wolf tomorrow. Could be our vote is likely to be disbelieved and we need to use reverse psychology. Could be Steve seer reveals and outs Boro as a very naughty boy. A lot can happen.
Eh, I was just doing a bit of prepping. I've been wanting to off Steve for days and days :smokin:
Eexactly. I mean it's good that we're coming into the Day with some starting idea. We have a "plan A" that we are, under ideal circumstances, going to change into some plan B.

But if no plan B happens and the Day turns out to be a mess, we have something to start from.

I was mulling the odds that Boro is a wolf trying to look like the Seer. :eek:

Been thinking that since it came up. But it's fine. If so, then there is still the real Seer.

The worst thing that can happen is that Rune was the Seer, Borowolf suspected him and tried to flush him out, and now we'll find him dead. But then we would also know Boro isn't the Seer...

Plus, there is the thing that whatever Boro is, he gave the impulse to start the Lhunawagon. If he's a Wolf, he may have bussed a packmate to make himself look good, but he still made a sacrifice - and a pretty big one. And even that won't protect him forever. So... I think we don't need to panic. Yet.

(But we should keep an eye on the numbers, the village will soon start getting smaller and smaller.)

[Nogrod]

Galadriel55 – Andróg, the Cobbler (voted into QT on Day1)

Rikae – Haldir, formerly healthy person (infected by the shady Infectors on Night2)

Huinesoron – Hareth, an Infector (voted into QT on Day2)

Kitanna – Huor, the Ranger (infected in the woods by the Infectors on Night3)

Sally – Túrin, the Hunter (voted into QT on Day3)

Macalaure – Grithnir, healthy person (dragged into the QT by the Hunter on Day3)

Legate of Amon Lanc – Asgon, healthy person (infected sneakily on Night4)

Lhunardawen – Sador, an Infector (voted into QT on Day4)

Lalaith – Rían, healthy person (overrun and infected by the Infectors on Night5)

Inziladun – Halmir, healthy person (voted into QT on Day5)

Pitchwife – Turin’s Nurse, healthy person (infected by the Infectors on Night6)

[Lalaith]

Well I'll be...

[Huinesoron]

And it's Pitch! Welcome to the infirmary-booze-thread. Just you stick with me and my buddy G55; we've been here ages, so you can trust us to show you the ropes and who to vote for. :D

hS

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Alas, poor Túrin's nurse! Welcome among us, Pitchwife, and grab a pint. These are dark times indeed.

We're all ready to hear if you have any input... thoughts... theories... questions...

[Inziladun]

Hello, Pitch! I'm glad not to have voted for you.

[satansaloser2005]

Welcome, good sir Pitchwife!

Random....

Why is it that every time I vote someone I think I have solid reasons to suspect, they turn innocent (Mac, Sally, and now Zil), and whenever I vote someone because I have a vague suspicious vibe (Gal55, Lhuna) they turn out to be guilty? Maybe I should just stop analysing things and stick to gut feelings from now on... :rolleyes:

Or maybe you're just evil? :Merisu:

[Galadriel55]

Ha! Welcome, Pitch!

I was gonna paste a picture of the Duke of Manhattan, but apparently he is not a popular enough meme character.

[Inziladun]

Or maybe you're just evil? :Merisu:

If she is, I have a major claim to an "I told you so". ;)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Welcome, good sir Pitchwife!

Random....

Or maybe you're just evil? :Merisu:

On the day we ended up lynching you, first thing in the morning I originally wanted to write a post where I wanted to suggest lynching Lottie and Lommy. Then I went through their posts and reevaluated. How it continued we all know.

If it turns out I was right on these two, I am going to... I don't know what I am going to, but I am definitely going to do it.

[Galadriel55]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/83/fd/34/83fd34775ce93cf5ee34ff86dedf5bfc.jpg

The Duke of Manhattan does not assume any responsibility for pandemics that start because of Werewolf games, regardless of his role in said games. :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, and Boro just confessed. For easy referrence:

May you find peace and healing Pitch through these hard times.

Ok, so I think it would be best to explain my oddness yesterday, because I feel like since Day 1 I could be jumped on and lynched in half a heart beat, which is I guess a normal feeling. That would not be good, but everyone deserves an explanation for me being mysterious yesterday.

Rewind to Day 4, I proposed a vote of Lhuna to the QT. That led to the lynching of a wolf. I couldn't remember if anyone else proposed Lhuna, or if it was just me, but I speculated yesterday that it must have meant the innocents in the QT trusted someone here.

I wanted to point the wolves to me and provide cover for the seer, but kind of put me in a bind because I suspected I was the one the QT trusted. So I picked an even more random proposed vote of Rune yesterday. And when the QT agreed it confirmed my feelings. I commented that it was fascinating, because mostly I was amused with being trusted. Got to thinking that a healthy minds don't trust me at all, but something happens when going into the QT that suddenly I was. What does that say about me? Fascinating and amusing.

But the reason for the mystery is I was trying to provide cover for the seer, but send as clear as a signal to the QT that I wasn't so they don't have to follow my vote.

I don't see any benefit to keep up that plan, it was kind of a 1-2 day try to provide cover and maybe get another wolf. In the end I'll be vindicated either in death or in victory. And it will be more beneficial to the community to know this. Maybe I laid it on too thick where the wolves didn't believe it or I have to re-orientate myself and rethink my feelings on others.

In general, I don't think we should sort of play this waiting where not much happens until the QT vote. Part of it is my own schedule, If I don't post at night I definitely won't be able to until 3-4 hours before the DL.

Well. My personal question being something like...

WHERE IN THE NAME OF BEÖR THE OLD IS THE SEER?!?

After yesterDay's events, I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be Rune. But to be honest I was thinking for a while that it might be Pitch, given his and Boro's communication. Apparently not. (Which is a good thing.)

[Pitchwife]

Hail and well met, fellow Cuties! I take it my arrival here probably means I was wrong about Rune after all, or he'd be here in my stead treating you all to a round of Viking Blood. (Btw Zil, apologies for contributing to your demise - I didn't feel shiny about lynching you, I just felt less shiny about lynching Rune.)


14 pages of thread? You folks are just as chattery as those outside.:rolleyes:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

14 pages of thread? You folks are just as chattery as those outside.:rolleyes:

Thankfully, much of it is banter.

[Lalaith]

Hello Pitch! Welcome! Nogs has created such a convivial setting for us here in the Great Hall...have a drink and make yourself comfortable...

[Galadriel55]

14 pages of thread? You folks are just as chattery as those outside.:rolleyes:

At least we don't have Walls of Text. Well, not many. :Merisu:

[Lalaith]

And yes...I want to know too...who is the Seer? Pitch, what do you think?

[Galadriel55]

And yes...I want to know too...who is the Seer? Pitch, what do you think?

You didn't see it? It's ++Brinniel. :D

[Pitchwife]

And yes...I want to know too...who is the Seer? Pitch, what do you think?
Well, as of yesterDay, I obviously thought it was Rune, which is why I didn't want to lynch him. But Boro would have been my alternative candidate before his explanation toDay.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

You didn't see it? It's ++Brinniel. :D

I'd like to see your face if she actually was.

[Galadriel55]

I'd like to see your face if she actually was.

Remind me at the end of the game, I'll spill the beans. ;)

[Galadriel55]

Boro is reminding me of a game where I was the Seer, pretending to be a cobbler-pretending-to-be-an-ordo-pretending-to-be-the-Seer-pretending-to-be-the-cobbler. The only reason that game worked out at all was because Shasta!Ranger had his psychic abilities on point.

[Pitchwife]

Boro is reminding me of a game where I was the Seer, pretending to be a cobbler-pretending-to-be-an-ordo-pretending-to-be-the-Seer-pretending-to-be-the-cobbler. The only reason that game worked out at all was because Shasta!Ranger had his psychic abilities on point.
How the yotz did you even remember who you really were, and at which level of pretense you were posting at a given time?
(Also, if you're interested in expanding your expletive vocabulary you should watch Farscape.)

[Pitchwife]

My best wolf life was the Cottage of Lost Play when I got everyone drunk. :evil:
OMG my first WW game ever and you totally flew under my radar until the last Day (I was long dead by then)!

[Galadriel55]

how the yotz did you even remember who you really were, and at which level of pretense you were posting at a given time?

:D

Edit: it's not accepting caps again. :( Had to fix smiley.

[Inziladun]

OMG my first WW game ever and you totally flew under my radar until the last Day (I was long dead by then)!

I think that was the first time I played with Lal. I got lynched, but my packmates won out. :cool:

[Pitchwife]

Also Lommy, debacle =/= debate!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Eönwë is really going after Boro right now, and the question is, which one's right there? I kinda agree with Lottie on that Steve looks like he made a slip there. But my brain is so overcombined at this point that I'm very careful.

Whichever the case, I think one of them might go toDay.

[Inziladun]

When I was unquarantined and would see new posts on this thread, I would tell myself you all were earnestly discussing the GT. :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Also Lommy, debacle =/= debate!

I am sitting across the table from her, laughing at this, but I can't communicate this, no preciouss, that would be against the Rules!

So I will just go with laughing.

[Inziladun]

Eönwë is really going after Boro right now, and the question is, which one's right there? I kinda agree with Lottie on that Steve looks like he made a slip there. But my brain is so overcombined at this point that I'm very careful.

Whichever the case, I think one of them might go toDay.

I was really starting to worry about Steve yesterDay. If I recall, he did cast a key Huey vote, which is why I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Huinesoron]

When I was unquarantined and would see new posts on this thread, I would tell myself you all were earnestly discussing the GT. :D

That's exactly what we wanted you to think. :)

hS

[Inziladun]

!"#¤%&/()(/&%%&

[censored] Boro!!!!

ARE

YOU

FREAKING

KIDDING

ME

Here I have sat like an IDIOT for DAYS thinking you're the seer and tearing my hair every time you made some "stupid slip" or defended me too openly or was "too obvious" like your last post yesterDay

and

I HAVE ALSO PROBABLY MADE MYSELF LOOK LIKE A FOOL bouncing around some fake suspicion of you while putting off actually considering your role "until the seer reveal, whether it's Boro, or if it's someone else I'm gonna look at him extra hard to make up for this" because I thought I'm being very clever "protecting the seer" :rolleyes::mad::rolleyes:

?????????????!!!!!!!!!!

I need to lie down. This werewolf game is my biggest fiasco in ages. Next Eönwë can tell me he's innocent and that will be the last nail to my fool's coffin.

This comes across as rather overly dramatic.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

When I was unquarantined and would see new posts on this thread, I would tell myself you all were earnestly discussing the GT. :D
Well, we often did! It was maybe about 50-50. Or at least sometimes. At least as we are concerned, not speaking for Cobbler55 et al.

I was really starting to worry about Steve yesterDay. If I recall, he did cast a key Huey vote, which is why I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Yes, though Wolf-on-Wolf voting essentially had to happen at some point in this game, given the amount of Wolves. I guess the next lynched baddie may be important to help us determine what's going on. I kinda hope it to be soon. It could be Steve...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

This comes across as rather overly dramatic.

I think it's pretty dramatic but pretty genuine. Of course it may be a genuine Wolf frustrated at wondering about "Night kill or not to Night kill" for several Nights (although to be fair, Wolves probably should jump on even the possibility of getting a Seer asap).

[Pitchwife]

Next Eönwë can tell me he's innocent and that will be the last nail to my fool's coffin.
I feel for her here.

[Inziladun]

Steve's getting in the thick of things now.

[Inziladun]

Regardless of whether Boro is telling the truth or not, I think it's likely the QT'ed innocents believed him to be the Seer. We could test that theory with having them follow Boro's vote again today, if we thought it mattered.

What would that really accomplish? And if he doesn't think it matters, why bring it up?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I mean if Boro is a wolf. Day 1 was between (as far as the wolves knew) 2 innocents.And how do YOU know that?
Ye-haaah. Or was it bad interpunction? That's literally the one thing that can save him as explanation. If he isn't the Seer (sheesh, Ulmo protect us).

What would that really accomplish? And if he doesn't think it matters, why bring it up?
Yeah, curious too. Makes no sense.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, so Steve explained himself the same way I expected him to. (Basically that the whole thing was under the umbrella of "assuming Boro is a Wolf and made a slip telling us whom he knows to be innocent".)

But unless he comes out as the Seer, I am still confused.

But! There is also truth to the fact that the village is running out of Days. Mislynch twice and it's bad. I'm wondering whether some bold Wolves (Boro-ishly?) might not be counting on that. If someone makes a false Seer claim under these circumstances (especially toMorrow!), it may cost us the Day we don't have. I hope the real Seer recognises this.

Anyway, I may need to go to sleep soon. But I hope those who are around will keep watch over the thread and ideally mull over any really important-looking posts or events.

[satansaloser2005]

Lommy's hyperbole has me in stitches. :')

[Lhunardawen]

WHAT

IN

FREAKING

ARDA AND THE VOID

WHERE IN THE NAME OF ALL THE VALAR IS THIS SEER?????!!!!!???!?!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Galadriel55]

WHAT

IN

FREAKING

ARDA AND THE VOID

WHERE IN THE NAME OF ALL THE VALAR IS THIS SEER?????!!!!!???!?!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:

It's Boro, he is just doing this "I am an Ordo who *pretended* to be a Seer" thing to save his bottom.

[Galadriel55]

Or Brin. One of the Bs.

[Lhunardawen]

Popcorn with your poison, anyone?

https://i.imgur.com/T6jghOC.gif

[Rikae]

So, I hate typing on my phone so for now I'll just say: I think Boro is innocent - the way he's playing wouldn't pay off for a wolf - and Eonwe looks like a cornered wolf slipping bits of nightly conversation into the day. Like he thinks he's doomed, fellows are likely distancing from him ... But I'm just watching to see what develops

[Macalaure]

Well, I sure feel like a fool now. :rolleyes:

Trying to untangle this. If Boro is not a wolf, then how did the wolves know he's not the real seer? Did they miss his hints? It's seems like a number of people picked them up, so could a group of three people have been that oblivious? Seems unlikely. There must've been absolutely no doubt to them that Boro was bluffing, because if they had any doubt at all, they would've killed Boro at some point, since it's just not worth the risk for them.

The obvious answer is that Lommy and/or Brinn have to be a wolf, but is there anything else I'm missing? Because if I'm not, then there's a guaranteed wolf among Boro, Lommy, and Brinn. My gut feeling tells me that Lommy is innocent.


And what are we to do with Eonwe? He doesn't make too much sense, but he feels genuine to me. It doesn't give me cornered wolf vibes and some people's suspicions have a scapegoaty feel to me. Am I completely off here? :confused:

There are too many living people we haven't heard from yet, Brinniel most of all.

[Macalaure]

If Eonwe is a wolf and he's slipping that he knows that Lommy and Brinn are innocent, then Boro is a wolf.

Unless he's lying and he's actually a wolf together with Lommy and/or Brinn.

Am I making sense? I'm not sure whether I'm making sense anymore in this game...

[Rikae]

I was making a reply and halfway through I changed my mind about everyone. :D

Going back to reread some stuff (no, Lommy, you're not the only one rereading day 1 at this late date!)

Just - a couple of things that are different about this game:

1. Normally seers need to leave some kind of a trail in case they die. Now, the seer can basically speak from beyond the grave, meaning they're free to submarine completely, misdirect, whatever they need to do to survive.

2. Normally sacrificing two wolves in a wild plot to trap the seer would be foolish, but this pack has, basically, two spare wolves, and the seer is more dangerous than usual as in #1.

So with that in mind, to reread.

[Lhunardawen]

I don't know about you all, but I think anyone who posts massive walls of texts should be invited in here and taught the meaning of brevity.

[Rikae]

Okay, so, I mentioned a couple days ago (for the latecomers, it was #265 in this thread) how Boro was interacting with G55 on day 1.

Okay, maybe I wasn't completely explicit about that because of an annoying insect buzzing in my ear at the time, but yeah. First Boro talks some nonsense prominently featuring the words "in-character" and "unconscious" and "nightmares" (translation: "hey, I'm not the seer but I play one on TV"?) and then mentions waiting for someone to cough. I'm surprised no one's coughed yet? I was waiting for the first person to cough. Not that coughing is a sure sign, if I cough it's my seasonal allergies. I will take an oath if I do cough, I will make sure I'm all clear and cough into my elbow. I was hoping someone would cough right out into the open, but that was too optimistic.

So yeah, you could, if you were a cobbler, read that as "wolftower calling major cobbler". And G55 responded with a fit of very conspicuous coughing.

(Seriously, I an never going to skim over Day 1 banter again)

Then she asks him:
Should we test you for viral encephalopathy? and he replies
I might need such a test. Whether we're aware, or in the unconscious, we all remain in-character. Agreed? And what do you glean from my in-character? Am I aware I'm doing it or is it in the unconscious? Leave that thought there for a moment.

Later, he mentions that cobblers are most useful when they sacrifice themselves and G55 instantly starts attacking me in a very attention-grabbing way. So, whatever he actually is, she certainly seemed convinced.

When I read all this a few days ago I interpreted it as a good Boro reeling in the cobbler but you can also read it straightforwardly, as a wolf making contact with a cobbler. And also note that Boro acted disappointed by the QT vote on day 2 ("not what I expected or hoped to see") which makes no sense whatsoever from an innocent Boro.

Not saying I'm convinced he's a wolf, but given the points in my last post I can see how he could be. Also, Eönwë's comment toDay about people who questioned Boro's seerishness getting night killed ... it was a good point. It also felt (like a lot of what Eönwë says, actually) like wolf-logic. I mean, yes, yes, you have to think like a wolf to catch wolves, I know, Mac, but thinking like a wolf is easiest and most natural to, you know, wolves, and a wolf-Eönwë sacrificing Boro as planned could very well point out (a select portion of) actual wolf strategy in the process.

{could even be a sample of genuine wolf strategy without a Boro wolf - if they knew Boro was not the seer because he was blatantly wrong about something. they could still have tried to pick up on seer reactions to him)

Now, voting for either Boro or Eönwë toDay feels way too risky to me at this point. Eönwë was also the counter-wagon to Lhuna, and if anyone is acting like a seer who dreamed wolf-Boro toDay, it would be him. One or both is a wolf, one or both could be the seer, either could be on the chopping block toDay and I don't like it.

Let's vote for Kath. Inzil's revenge! :p

[Lhunardawen]

++Brinniel is still an option. It always has been. ;)

[Lalaith]

So many of the Lost Play players are here - it feels like we've put the band back together again! :cool:
I went back and skim-read the game - I'd forgotten about that hideous last day with the coin toss - Rikae, Nogs and me...

Anyway, Zil, have you seen Lommy's analysis of you? Do you think it's a fair appraisal and that it is highlighting everything that's relevant? I ask because I went over mine wondering if she was skimming over/omitting anything interesting and I couldn't find much, which to me kind of points to her innocence.
Wolves usually miss stuff out, particularly when the person being analysed isn't around to point out errors/omissions. (She did mess up her appraisal of me when I was still around and I jumped on it)

[Lalaith]

As I might have mentioned yesterday, I don’t think I am capable of imagining a scenario where Eönwë isn’t a wolf.

Rune is my brother from another mother.

[Lhunardawen]

Did Greenie just say she's on sick leave?

Get her!!!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I've finally caught up on everything that happened yesterDay and toDay! From now on, if I say someone looks blatantly wolfish, please lay off them as they’re probably innocent. :rolleyes:
Horrible excuses. Horrible excuses again throughout the whole post. This brings back my suspicion of Greenie. "Oh XY is so-and-so I don't know..." I think she may be the worst submarine of all submarine Wolves, and perhaps I should really have voted for her and went after her more while I was still alive.

Day 4 was the stand out...it was our most orderly and organized lynch. That was also the first day the QT was in control of the innocents. It suggests, that perhaps the wolves did decide to bus Lhuna, because it had such a completely different feel than Huey's lynch.
Anything to say about it, Lhuna? Did they bus you?

Also thinking - if the WWs thought Boro a Seer already then (but then, why not kill him there and then?), they could have bussed Lhuna for that reason. But... nah. Doesn't sound likely. But they might have had a different reason.

[Lhunardawen]

Anything to say about it, Lhuna? Did they bus you?Come on Leggie, you'll have to be a lot more subtle than that.

[Lhunardawen]

Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions about how I should vote toDay?

[Lhunardawen]

Anything to say about it, Lhuna? Did they bus you?
But you know what, why not? Wait, let me try to put something together.

[Lhunardawen]

Let me shamelessly steal Eönwë’s list, for reference. I assume this is accurate.

Lhuna -> Eönwë
Eönwë -> Boro
QT -> Lhuna
Inzil -> Lommy
Lottie -> Boro 2
Greenie -> Zil
The Ka -> Lhuna 2
Pitchwife -> Eönwë 2
Lalaith -> Lhuna 3
Lommy -> Lhuna 4
Rune -> Eönwë 3
Kath -> Lhuna 5
Shasta -> Lhuna 6
Boro -> Eönwë 4
Brinn -> Lhuna 7


Scenario 1: Lhuna was bussed.
Scenario 1.1: Lhuna was bussed by all of her packmates
Infectors: Ka, Lommy, Kath, Shasta, Brinn
Scenario 1.2: Lhuna was bussed by some, but not all, of her packmates.
Infectors: Eonwe, Lottie, Greenie, Ka, Lommy, Rune, Kath, Shasta, Boro, Brinn



Scenario 2: Lhuna was not bussed.
Scenario 2.1: The villagers brilliantly executed her while her packmates stood aghast, unable to do anything.
Infectors: Eonwe, Lottie, Greenie, Rune, Boro
Scenario 2.2: The villagers brilliantly executed her and her packmates decided to come along for the ride.
Infectors: Eonwe, Lottie, Greenie, Ka, Lommy, Rune, Kath, Shasta, Boro, Brinn



Scenario 3: Lhuna sacrificed herself for the greater good.
Scenario 3.1: Her packmates wholeheartedly supported her sacrifice.
Infectors: Ka, Lommy, Kath, Shasta, Brinn
Scenario 3.2: Her packmates were divided about her willingness to sacrifice herself.
Infectors: Eonwe, Lottie, Greenie, Ka, Lommy, Rune, Kath, Shasta, Boro, Brinn


Did I miss anything?

[Inziladun]

Let's vote for Kath. Inzil's revenge! :p

Verry tempting. If a wolf, she's been a good submarine, staying on the sidelines and avoiding the spotlight.

++Brinniel is still an option. It always has been. ;)

I already took you up on it once. ;)

Anyway, Zil, have you seen Lommy's analysis of you? Do you think it's a fair appraisal and that it is highlighting everything that's relevant? I ask because I went over mine wondering if she was skimming over/omitting anything interesting and I couldn't find much, which to me kind of points to her innocence.
Wolves usually miss stuff out, particularly when the person being analysed isn't around to point out errors/omissions. (She did mess up her appraisal of me when I was still around and I jumped on it)

I need to look back over that. I'll try to get to it shortly.

Horrible excuses. Horrible excuses again throughout the whole post. This brings back my suspicion of Greenie. "Oh XY is so-and-so I don't know..." I think she may be the worst submarine of all submarine Wolves, and perhaps I should really have voted for her and went after her more while I was still alive.

It's interesting too how she followed Kath with making safe votes (on me).

Also thinking - if the WWs thought Boro a Seer already then (but then, why not kill him there and then?), they could have bussed Lhuna for that reason. But... nah. Doesn't sound likely. But they might have had a different reason.

It could be an evil ploy (assuming a Borowolf) to try to elicit more overt hints from the real Seer.

[satansaloser2005]

The Lhunatic is having a grand time, I see! :D

Shall we ++Steve toDay? I thirst for his blood. Wait a minute, wrong team. :Merisu:

[Lalaith]

The Lhunatic is having a grand time, I see! :D

Shall we ++Steve toDay? I thirst for his blood. Wait a minute, wrong team. :Merisu:

Sister from another mister!

[Lhunardawen]

The Lhunatic is having a grand time, I see! :D

Shall we ++Steve toDay? I thirst for his blood. Wait a minute, wrong team. :Merisu:

For a moment there I thought you were going to ++ me for having a grand time. :p

Blame your birthday cake.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I could go with Steve, but main thing I'm afraid of is if people bandwagon on him because of us and he turns to be innocent (plus, the WWs conveniently hide in the bandwagon "oh it was the QT's idea").

I could also go with Ka, to be fair. She's a submarine, but of the suspicious kind.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

When do people have to vote? So that we have enough time to agree on this. (I'm fine until DL, but I know there may be others...)

[Lhunardawen]

I could go with Steve, but main thing I'm afraid of is if people bandwagon on him because of us and he turns to be innocent (plus, the WWs conveniently hide in the bandwagon "oh it was the QT's idea").

Point of inquiry: Wouldn't that be the case for whatever our (yes, I say "our" because I'm part of the collective group) vote ends up being?

[satansaloser2005]

I could go with Steve, but main thing I'm afraid of is if people bandwagon on him because of us and he turns to be innocent (plus, the WWs conveniently hide in the bandwagon "oh it was the QT's idea").

I could also go with Ka, to be fair. She's a submarine, but of the suspicious kind.

I don't disagree with either of these points.

Hey, Legate, can we kill Lommy instead? ;)


x'd with Lhuna

[satansaloser2005]

Also, because I forgot to answer the actual question: I'll be here all day and can wait to vote if needed.

[Lalaith]

I can vote when needed.


Why did the wolves think Mac was the Seer?
Why did they think I was the Seer?
Why did they think Pitch was the Seer?
Who in Udun is the Seer?
If it were me I'd probably have revealed by now.

OMG what if the Seer was Urwen and Nogs didn't have the heart to tell us.

[satansaloser2005]

I want to know how on earth Lottie is still alive. I think she's guilty just based on her continued existence.

[Macalaure]

All the different possible scenarios are making my head hurt.

If Boro is a wolf, there are a million possible plans and possible options and I don't even want to start thinking about them.

If Boro is an ordo, as he claims, how did he get the wolves to not kill him with his hints.

If Boro is double-bluffing and he is actually the real seer - then how did he get the wolves not kill him?

Those last two we can examine, though, and if we can deduce that there was no way, then he must be a wolf in turn.

The day he got Lhuna lynched, he surprisingly switched his vote to Eonwe. If Eonwe is a wolf, too, this would've rung every last alarm bell for the pack. Eonwe is either innocent, or the wolves' evidence for Boro not being the seer must've been extremely convincing (or he's one of them). Even if he listed a wolf as a known innocent, as a wolf, I would get pretty doubtful at that point. If we spare Boro, we should spare Eonwe as well.

The only possibility I see for non-wolf-Boro to survive is that he put an innocent as a prime suspect or a wolf as a known-to-him innocent. Considering that a seer still has to suspect people even if they're out of dreamt-of wolves, the former is not 100% safe and the wolves may second-guess it. Listing a wolf as a known innocent though, that might make the wolves go har har, he's bluffing.

This keeps bringing me back to Lommy and Brinn. (What do you think, baddies - want to vote for Brinniel again toDay? Oh, you know you want to :p )

Whether Boro is the real seer or an ordo, this reasoning goes the same way, except as the real seer he knew what he was doing whereas as an ordo he'd have to do it with a good amount of risky guesswork.

Here's one thing: in a regular game, the seer can't list a wolf as a known innocent. If the seer dies at night without being able to reverse that statement, he leaves the village with a wolf as a quasi-known innocent, which is a very, very terrible idea. In this game, a dead seer can feed the village their dreams via the QT vote, so it's actually doable.

[Macalaure]

Why did the wolves think Mac was the Seer?

Why did Sally think I was not the seer! :mad:

[Macalaure]

Also, Lhuna is a troll after my own heart. :D

[Huinesoron]

Why did Sally think I was not the seer! :mad:

:eek: Sally is the Seer after all!

hS

[satansaloser2005]

Why did Sally think I was not the seer! :mad:

Maybe because you weren't? :Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

:eek: Sally is the Seer after all!

hS

If I were, I'd have dreamt the ranger first, rather than hunting her, which actually might have been helpful given the circumstances. (Love you, Kit!)

....Nog, the seer's clearly not doing anything anyway. Can we convert my hunter picks to dreams? ;)

[Rikae]

Point of inquiry: Wouldn't that be the case for whatever our (yes, I say "our" because I'm part of the collective group) vote ends up being?

Not if it's random enough (like yesterday).

[Macalaure]

I like Greenie's thinking. Who again was that person who suspected her for Days? :rolleyes:

I find it funny that Brinniel agrees with it without commenting on the fact that she's implicated by it.

[Macalaure]

Maybe because you weren't? :Merisu:

But I should've been! :p

[satansaloser2005]

But I should've been! :p

On that we can agree! :D <3

[Macalaure]

I ruined their trust and they're probably ****ed off.

You have no idea, my friend, no idea... :p

I did all that I could to try to let the QT know I wasn't the seer.

How could anyone ever read "Understand I still hold the QT in the highest respect." as anything but discouragement. :rolleyes:

[Pitchwife]

Sorry for being late to the party, I was a bit busy today doing stuff I should have done over the last two weeks. I'm not averse to voting Steve (cats destroyed my AltGr key, so I can't spell Eonwe properly anymore:confused:) or Ka, but right now I'm clueless enough to go with whatever floats the innocent boat.

[Inziladun]

I could go with Steve, but main thing I'm afraid of is if people bandwagon on him because of us and he turns to be innocent (plus, the WWs conveniently hide in the bandwagon "oh it was the QT's idea").

I could also go with Ka, to be fair. She's a submarine, but of the suspicious kind.

I've been busy with work, and haven't yet caught up on the GT.
Steve looks dodgy to be sure, but somehow feels too easy.
It looked earlier like Ka might be an early bandwagon.

Sorry for being late to the party, I was a bit busy today doing stuff I should have done over the last two weeks. I'm not averse to voting Steve (cats destroyed my AltGr key, so I can't spell Eonwe properly anymore:confused:) or Ka, but right now I'm clueless enough to go with whatever floats the innocent boat.

I can't guarantee I can be here until right at DL, but if I have to vote quickly I'll go with the popular proposal.

[Pitchwife]

How likely do we think it is that none of the wolves got Rune's seer hint at the end of yesterDay?

[Macalaure]

We need to consolidate our options a little and narrow it down. I feel we're too all over the place toDay.

[Inziladun]

With my luck the QT innocents will now vote for me, because I ruined their trust and they're probably ****ed off. I still will tell them though, no rash decisions, I did all that I could to try to let the QT know I wasn't the seer. I thought it would send a good enough signal if they saw no purpose to what I was proposing and figured I'd be dead by now anyway.

Thoughts?

++Ka

It's fine to go for Eonwe here too. Don't vote Lottie or Greenie.

What's Shasta playing at? I've been seeing more blatant Seer hints from him than from Boro.

We need to consolidate our options a little and narrow it down. I feel we're too all over the place toDay.

GT looks to be leaning to Ka. Boro, Lommy, Brinn, and Lottie have all given "fake" votes for her, and Shasta made his real.

[Rikae]

The day he got Lhuna lynched, he surprisingly switched his vote to Eonwe. If Eonwe is a wolf, too, this would've rung every last alarm bell for the pack. Eonwe is either innocent, or the wolves' evidence for Boro not being the seer must've been extremely convincing (or he's one of them). Even if he listed a wolf as a known innocent, as a wolf, I would get pretty doubtful at that point. If we spare Boro, we should spare Eonwe as well.


Yep, strongly agree with this. Can't see a wolfpack that included Eonwe letting an innocent Boro live past that day - unless Lommy or Brinn was also in the pack.

So, if Boro is innocent (seer or ordo) either Eonwe is also innocent, or Eonwe is a wolf with Brinn or Lommy.

Unfortunately, if Boro and Eonwe are both innocent, we can't necessarily conclude anything from that about Brinn and Lommy. Boro could still have looked ordoish to the pack for the way he went after Eonwe.

But I think we can say if Eonwe is a wolf, one of Boro, Brinn or Lommy is in his pack.

Now, if Boro is a wolf, this whole plot had to be to flush out the real seer, and the nightkills thus far were people who looked seerish in relation to Boro. mentioned it today:
I find it more likely that if anything, your fake-seeriness was an attempt to catch the real seer, which is why the two people who challenged you on it, Lalaith and Pitch, are dead.

That makes some sense. But if so, it also means Pitch and Lalaith didn't do anything obviously unseerish (nothing flamboyantly wrong, especially in their last days alive). Looking back ... (since we have you both here, correct me if I'm wrong or miss something important!)

Day 4:
Pitch defends Lommy pretty strongly, then says:
I actually think both Lommy and Lottie sound genuine to me.

Calls Greenie out on double standard (defending her own safe votes while going after Sally for safe votes).

Lalaith suspects Lommy, but in a more noncommittal/non-dreamed way:
So because I haven't had time to do new analysis toDay I haven't really moved on much from my suspect list of yesterDay. I could add Lommy on there - I admire her chutzpah toDay but I still think her behaviour was suspicious, particularly in her refusal to acknowledge the benefit of having HunterSally as a known innocent.

She mentions putting Shasta on her "watch" list, and wanting to get a handle on Kath, Ka, and Lhuna (before the QT vote).

Says:
I could vote Eonwe, Brinn, or Boro, (same as my suspect list of yesterday)
She reinforces her suspicion of Brinn by saying the Legate kill pointed to her.

If Lalaith looked seerish, she would be a seer who might intend to dream of a wolf Shasta, Ka or Kath but hadn't yet, possibly dreamed of a Brinn wolf, maybe dreamed a Lommy innocent.

Night 5:
Lalaith gets killed.

Day 5:
Pitch says Lommy and Eonwe look innocent because suspected by Lhuna, but later suggests Eonwe and Ka could be packmates. Questions Boro about his seerish/wolf-slippish stuff. Suspects Greenie, but with points for and against/wishy washy way such that wolves could have still thought he was the seer if Greenie was innocent.

I get where the suspicion of Ka comes from, but I wouldn't want to vote her after she just defended me against Shasta, because it would feel mean. ToMorrow is another question, depending on what happens till then.

Pitch responds to the QT vote by immediately asking if Lhuna decided it, which could have looked seerish if Rune was innocent, but wouldn't necessarily look ordoish if he wasn't. This later post however, would only look seerish if Rune was innocent:
I don't think it's such an outlandish reaction when they vote somebody you felt very much was innocent.

Night 6: Pitch is killed.

If Pitch looked like a seer, he would have looked like one who hadn't dreamed of a wolf yet but might be about to close in on a wolf Ka or Shasta, and had dreamed innocents Rune, Lottie, and Lommy.

So in summary:

Innocent Boro (seer or ordo) means he was safely inaccurate, so:

Eonwe is either innocent, or a wolf with Brinn or Lommy.

In any case, the wolves looked for seers elsewhere which implies:

Lommy, Rune, Lottie likely innocent

Ka, Shasta, Brinn, Greenie, Kath potentially evil

Edit: crossed with everyone since my last

[Galadriel55]

I just had an idea why some of you "not-the Seers" might have been killed, completely besides potentially implicating someone's guilt or innocence. And now I really want to know if I'm right.

[satansaloser2005]

Back from my nap/lunch break. :)

[satansaloser2005]

I like the Steve/Brinn/Lommy pack thought. It seems almost too easy though, so I feel like one of those names is wrong just because of how each of those three is playing.

[Inziladun]

I like the Steve/Brinn/Lommy pack thought. It seems almost too easy though, so I feel like one of those names is wrong just because of how each of those three is playing.

I've had a bad feeling about Brinn all game.

[Pitchwife]

In any case, the wolves looked for seers elsewhere which implies:

Lommy, Rune, Lottie likely innocent

Ka, Shasta, Brinn, Greenie, Kath potentially evil
My guts agree with this. I think I'd rather go Ka than Steve right now. (Although if Rune is the Seer and the wolves just haven't noticed, this would point to Shasta and Greenie being innocent.)

[satansaloser2005]

I've had a bad feeling about Brinn all game.

Same. Options for today, for me at least, are Steve, Brinn, and the Finnish sisters.


x'd with Pitch

[Galadriel55]

I've had a bad feeling about Brinn all game.

+-Brin? ;) You know you want to. :p

[Macalaure]

Does the wolves not taunting us about contemplating Brinniel point to her innocence or guilt? :p

[satansaloser2005]

Does the wolves not taunting us about contemplating Brinniel point to her innocence or guilt? :p

I kind of want to do it just to see the living thread explode.

[Macalaure]

Hey Gala, make it a real vote, why don't you. ;)

[Lhunardawen]

This keeps bringing me back to Lommy and Brinn. (What do you think, baddies - want to vote for Brinniel again toDay? Oh, you know you want to :p )


Also, Lhuna is a troll after my own heart. :D

Aw Mac, these make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, like I just swallowed a cat. <3 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=395707&postcount=790)

[Macalaure]

I kind of want to do it just to see the living thread explode.

That's the cherry on top. :smokin:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

How likely do we think it is that none of the wolves got Rune's seer hint at the end of yesterDay?
Hard to say. But given the amount of fake Seer-reveals and all... maybe they themselves have their heads spinning.

Thoughts?
++Ka

It's fine to go for Eonwe here too. Don't vote Lottie or Greenie.

What's Shasta playing at? I've been seeing more blatant Seer hints from him than from Boro.
Sounded super much like Seer declaration to me. But this is exactly the time when someone might come up with something like that.

But in that case, it means that if we follow it, and it turns out to be false, then people will KNOW (hopefully) not to trust Shasta toMorrow.

Either he's a very bold wolf who just posted early to get the ball rolling the direction he wants (early!! Isn't that like the first time he did that? At least at the start of the game, he always waited!!!), or he's following a clear suspicion.

In any case the options he gives are rather decent, both.

We need to consolidate our options a little and narrow it down. I feel we're too all over the place toDay.
Agreed. I think I'd be up for actually Steve or Ka, the same as I said above - they are also favourites on the LT, and if they're both wrong, well, I guess then everyone's off terribly.

I also agree with Rikae's conclusions here, in essence. Of course things can be completely different, but then anything is possible. We need to set ourselves some level of probability to operate with, otherwise we can just as well do whatever we want.

EDIT: x-ed since Rik on the previous page

[Huinesoron]

Does the wolves not taunting us about contemplating Brinniel point to her innocence or guilt? :p

Sadly it points to me being away until just now playing, if you can believe it, One Night Werewolf (over Skype).

Anyway, I'm all for it!

hS

[Inziladun]

+-Brin? ;) You know you want to. :p

Just because I want to, doesn't mean I should.

Does the wolves not taunting us about contemplating Brinniel point to her innocence or guilt? :p

It's a coin lip. I did vote her on the GT "just because" though.

[Rikae]

Let's do something epic and vote unanimously for Brinn. Baddies, you in?

I could also go for Kath or Ka but I'd really like to leave Eonwe and Boro alone for now, and Ka is just another confirmation of Boro's fake vote which I'd rather not do (mostly just because it irks me to look like a mindless Boro groupie!)

[Macalaure]

Agreed. I think I'd be up for actually Steve or Ka, the same as I said aboveKa I could go for. Eonwe I think is a bad idea.

they are also favourites on the LT, and if they're both wrong, well, I guess then everyone's off terribly.*grumblethat'sabadreasongrumble*

[Galadriel55]

I kind of want to do it just to see the living thread explode.

A soul after my own kind. ;)

Hey Gala, make it a real vote, why don't you.

Perhaps. ;)

Sadly it points to me being away until just now playing, if you can believe it, One Night Werewolf (over Skype).

Anyway, I'm all for it!

hS

Traitor!!! :p




By the way, have you InnoCuties decided whether the Seer is Boro, Shasta, or Rune?

[Galadriel55]

Let's do something epic and vote unanimously for Brinn. Baddies, you in?

Perhaps. ;)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I am super unsure about doing anything regarding Brinn. I would prefer perhaps Steve, out of everyone.

I am like eighty-percent convinced Lommy is innocent, at this point. But anything is possible.

[Huinesoron]

Let's do something epic and vote unanimously for Brinn. Baddies, you in?

Always.

hS

[satansaloser2005]

I'm all over this unanimous Brinn vote.

[Inziladun]

We go vote Greenie to really throw 'em.

[Inziladun]

Of course, I consent to the majority.

[Macalaure]

We go vote Greenie to really throw 'em.

Which side are you on, boy?
Which side are you on?

[Galadriel55]

Why don't we play a game to determine which way I vote. Answer the below question and add an instruction for me to either vote Brin or not. The side with the most contributors wins and gets my Brin vote (or no Brin vote). If it's a tie, I make no promises. :p


By the way, have you InnoCuties decided whether the Seer is Boro, Shasta, or Rune?

[Lhunardawen]

I just want to see the world burn. :smokin:

[Rikae]

By the way, have you InnoCuties decided whether the Seer is Boro, Shasta, or Rune?

No.

Vote Brin.

[Pitchwife]

At least if Eönwë gets lynched and is innocent we'll know neither Rune nor Shasta is the seer. (Stupid me, it was Alt not AltGr)

[Galadriel55]

No.

You can do better than that. :p

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I will ask. Is the reason of you who want to vote Brinn only because "it will be epic"? As in, the reason why you'd pick it over something else?

I am mostly wondering what will it do on the LT, and who will hide behind it. Do we really need to add more mess into the eintopf pot?

[Inziladun]

Which side are you on, boy?
Which side are you on?

Mine! :D

[Macalaure]

By the way, have you InnoCuties decided whether the Seer is Boro, Shasta, or Rune?Maybe none of the above :p

[Galadriel55]

We go vote Greenie to really throw 'em.

You can also do a "Vote Green" answer. I will be accepting those too. :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

At least if Eönwë gets lynched and is innocent we'll know neither Rune nor Shasta is the seer. (Stupid me, it was Alt not AltGr)

This. (Possibly.)

Then again I hope we better know soon who the bloody Seer is!!! :mad:

[Huinesoron]

This. (Possibly.)

Then again I hope we better know soon who the bloody Seer is!!! :mad:

Me too! As soon as you figure it out, let me know, eh? :D

hS

[Pitchwife]

Do we really need to add more mess into the eintopf pot?
No. And it's just the eintopf, because that's already 'one pot'.

[Macalaure]

I will ask. Is the reason of you who want to vote Brinn only because "it will be epic"? As in, the reason why you'd pick it over something else?

Boro avoided getting killed. He avoided getting killed because the wolves didn't buy his seer stuff. That is because his "known innocents" of Lommy and Brinn contained a wolf. Lommy feels innocent, Brinn not so much.

[Inziladun]

I will ask. Is the reason of you who want to vote Brinn only because "it will be epic"? As in, the reason why you'd pick it over something else?

I am mostly wondering what will it do on the LT, and who will hide behind it. Do we really need to add more mess into the eintopf pot?

Ka or Steve could equally give baddies cover for their vote. We need to go for a honest possible wolf.

[satansaloser2005]

I am mostly wondering what will it do on the LT, and who will hide behind it. Do we really need to add more mess into the eintopf pot?

Okay, but for real, Lommy will implode, and I feel like we might learn something just from her reaction, let alone everyone else's. They won't see this one coming, and it will throw them for a loop. As I believe Mac said, the chaos itself is just the cherry on top.

Torture your beloved. Play with us. Play with us....


x'd with many

[Galadriel55]

Steve is the Doctor (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=659720#post659720)!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

No. And it's just the eintopf, because that's already 'one pot'.
Right! Silly me.
Boro avoided getting killed. He avoided getting killed because the wolves didn't buy his seer stuff. That is because his "known innocents" of Lommy and Brinn contained a wolf. Lommy feels innocent, Brinn not so much.
But that's as much of a bet as voting, say, Steve or Ka.

Anyways we need to pick.

I'd be for

+-Steve, but if no can do, I can have Ka, or thirdly Brinn. But I'd go for the first.

[satansaloser2005]

Steve is the Doctor (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=659720#post659720)!

HUSH, CHILD. THE ADULTS ARE TALKING. :Merisu:

[Lalaith]

Please will you let me vote Steve.

[Macalaure]

Do we really need to add more mess into the eintopf pot?https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/229248_143486255723590_2670506_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=85a577&_nc_oc=AQlSmmY2uIWERr_tjDUAbZfQK88Jl5h4ahBBg793Ji2 J1gY2PH8HkL3_rJvxQ9Wf98tGDMff4IgUEkuPW8uqvut6&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=5e1580d7fef8e8e917c9f973b36703bb&oe=5EE35A54

[Inziladun]

If not Brinn, then Steve

[satansaloser2005]

I'm going all in.

++Brinn

I want it to be unanimous because I'm hoping Nog would mention that, and therefore cause ruckus in the GT, but I'm voting for her either way.

[Rikae]

You can do better than that. :p

Nope, I think it's the perfect answer.

[Macalaure]

These morons are all voting before us! :eek:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ok so is anyone apart from me vehemently against Brinn?

Anyways LT is voting Eonwe or Ka as we speak, so we can I guess allow ourselves anything. But I don't want to allow the WWs means of escape if the WWs happen to be these two.

[Galadriel55]

If not Brinn, then Steve

Convince me to vote differently. So far it's a 1 for Brin. :D

[satansaloser2005]

Also, Lal, Steve tomorrow. You have my word, sestra.

[satansaloser2005]

Some Day we should just not vote and see what happens. :p

[Galadriel55]

Some Day we should just not vote and see what happens. :p

I approve. :p

[Lalaith]

Also, Lal, Steve tomorrow. You have my word, sestra.

Grrrrrrrr

[Inziladun]

Ok so is anyone apart from me vehemently against Brinn?

Anyways LT is voting Eonwe or Ka as we speak, so we can I guess allow ourselves anything. But I don't want to allow the WWs means of escape if the WWs happen to be these two.

Agree that they probably won't deviate from Ka or Steve. We could help lynch him.

[Galadriel55]

Agree that they probably won't deviate from Ka or Steve. We could help lynch him.

You can still convince me to vote otherwise. ;)

[Rikae]

I will ask. Is the reason of you who want to vote Brinn only because "it will be epic"? As in, the reason why you'd pick it over something else?


Speaking for myself, it's because she came out as a possible wolf in my analysis regardless of Boro's role, the others have various problems (possible Shasta-seer situation, Ka is just too much of a scapegoat toDay and targeted by Boro), her role would shed light on Boro ... and it would be epic.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well now after Steve's last posts on the LT I am wavering. Ghh

[Lalaith]

Steve steve steve

[Inziladun]

You can still convince me to vote otherwise. ;)

Tempting...

[satansaloser2005]

You guys, you have less than two minutes. Vote already! I can't take it!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Whatever, let's just vote. Please someone pick. I am absolutely puzzled.

[Macalaure]

Brinn > Ka >>>>>>> Steve

[Inziladun]

++Brinn

[Huinesoron]

++Brinniel

:D

hS

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

We can do Brinn I guess, at least it will be a meme, our thread would have voted her every time except when we followed a "Seer" :rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

YES!!!!!!!!

I'm so excited. :D

[Galadriel55]

Cobbler or not, I keep my word. ;)

++BRIN


Edit: xed with 2 more votes. :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

++Brinn

[Lalaith]

++Steve

[Pitchwife]

++Brinn

[Lhunardawen]

++Brinniel

[Inziladun]

We can do Brinn I guess, at least it will be a meme, our thread would have voted her every time except when we followed a "Seer" :rolleyes:

They're pretty set on their bandwagons anyway.

[Macalaure]

++Brinniel

Let's hope we didn't just make a colossal fool of ourselves.

[Lalaith]

Tooo-morrrrooww, tooo-moorroowww.....

[Macalaure]

Also, holy... I didn't expect the dead thread voting to be this tense! :eek:

[Inziladun]

Let's hope we didn't just make a colossal fool of ourselves.

You get used to it....:rolleyes:

[Rikae]

++Steve

Aw, no unanimity. :(

++Brinn

[Huinesoron]

Also, holy... I didn't expect the dead thread voting to be this tense! :eek:

Tell me about it.

hS

[Galadriel55]

They're pretty set on their bandwagons anyway.

We should start a collection of tidbits from the QT.

[Lalaith]

++Brinniel

Let's hope we didn't just make a colossal fool of ourselves.

I don't get the Brinn thing. I didn't get the Rune thing either tbh. I'm not cross, just confused.

[Nogrod]

Just popping in...

You can't be serious. :eek::rolleyes::)


Fun.

[satansaloser2005]

Tooo-morrrrooww, tooo-moorroowww.....

SOON. :smokin:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

They're pretty set on their bandwagons anyway.

That's what I think too.

Also, Lal, Steve tomorrow. You have my word, sestra.

https://www.tvinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/OB5_EP501_IW_Oct25_0420-1014x570.jpg

[satansaloser2005]

Just popping in...

You can't be serious. :eek::rolleyes::)


Fun.

Tell them it was unanimous anyway. It'll be hilarious.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Also, holy... I didn't expect the dead thread voting to be this tense! :eek:

Tell me about it.

Here comes the eintopf...

[satansaloser2005]

Legate wins the giant teddy bear for today!

[Lhunardawen]

Just popping in...

You can't be serious. :eek::rolleyes::)


Fun.
You know, Modgrod, we can't have all the fun.

[Macalaure]

Just popping in...

You can't be serious.


Fun.

Nog wouldn't act like this if Brinn was a wolf :rolleyes: :(

[Galadriel55]

Sally is officially taking over for me. Bye!

[Pitchwife]

Nog wouldn't act like this if Brinn was a wolf :rolleyes: :(
She's probably the Innocent Child now.:rolleyes:

[Galadriel55]

Not again :D

Are they trolling us because we (= Boro) trolled them?

:Merisu:

[satansaloser2005]

I need to get back to work. Back around the DL to greet a new friend! ;)

[Rikae]

Nog wouldn't act like this if Brinn was a wolf :rolleyes: :(

Sure he would.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Legate wins the giant teddy bear for today!
Aws!

Nog wouldn't act like this if Brinn was a wolf :rolleyes: :(
Watch her being the Seer.

(And getting lynched! Now wouldn't that be so typical of this game? Huh?)

Anyways, after this... very stressful... last half an hour (or more actually)... I oughta go and... ahem, eat the dinner Lommy probably cooked all by herself while I was busying myself over this.

But hey. This is almost like being on the Living Thread. The same amount of last-minute alarm and panic. Makes one feel aLive.

[Rikae]

At least Ka can't be the seer or she'd have said something by now.

[Rikae]

But hey. This is almost like being on the Living Thread. The same amount of last-minute alarm and panic. Makes one feel aLive.

It does! Which means it will be doubly disappointing if the seer joins us ... after that we just follow instructions.

Not saying I'm wishing for a seer with a bunch of useless dreams! :eek:

[Nogrod]

Nog wouldn't act like this if Brinn was a wolf
I actually would.

You're giving the same name the third time now, no matter which "leaning" is in charge..

I was just thinking of the reaction of the people in the GT (yes, Gin and Tonic) thread. :):rolleyes:

So roll your sleeves and get the popcorn ready.

[Lhunardawen]

Did it take me this long to realise "GT" was not a typo for "QT" but an abbreviation of "game thread"? *facepalm* *sneaks off to confiscate they cuties' gin tonic bc it's us now who are the gin tonic thread*
Anyways, after this... very stressful... last half an hour (or more actually)... I oughta go and... ahem, eat the dinner Lommy probably cooked all by herself while I was busying myself over this.
Leggie while you're at it take back the gin and tonic please. I feel like starting a new vice.

[Rikae]

Honestly Lottie has been looking seerish toDay.

[Rikae]

Also, why does Rune think we can't discuss seers openly here? That's one of the biggest differences. No worry about tipping off the living wolves.

Which, btw, a wolf Rune would know very well. Feigning ignorance about rules for wolves is something wolves have done, but in that place, in that way, ignored by everyone? I don't think it was that.

[Lalaith]

Why wont you let me kill steve.
Why wont the forum let me do caps

[Galadriel55]

Why wont you let me kill steve.
Why wont the forum let me do caps

It's because Steve is the Seer, and the forum knows it. :smokin::p

[Lalaith]

Also, why does Rune think we can't discuss seers openly here? That's one of the biggest differences. No worry about tipping off the living wolves.

Which, btw, a wolf Rune would know very well. Feigning ignorance about rules for wolves is something wolves have done, but in that place, in that way, ignored by everyone? I don't think it was that.

That's what confused me too. The rules said wolves in the QT could PM. It made me think that they could PM their live mates which is why I asked.


Rune, my brother from another mother, is innocent. Like I said. :rolleyes:

[Lhunardawen]

Are they trolling us because we (= Boro) trolled them?I would hope not. I mean if they were peeved at me, I would think they would have taken it out on me.
Oh, but we tried.

[Galadriel55]

So --- do we nap until 10 minutes before the GT DL?

[Lalaith]

Has anyone seen The Good Place?
I feel like I've been told like everything is nice and these are the innocents but I'm still feeling tortured. :(

[Lalaith]

Has anyone seen The Good Place?
I feel like I've been told like everything is nice and these are the innocents but I'm still feeling tortured. :(

NOGS = https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/thegoodplace/images/9/91/MIchael.jpg/revision/latest/top-crop/width/360/height/360?cb=20160919175556

[Rikae]

Has anyone seen The Good Place?
I feel like I've been told like everything is nice and these are the innocents but I'm still feeling tortured. :(

I confess, I'm a DJ from Florida.

[satansaloser2005]

I am a sarcastic white girl who finds Chidi super attractive, so you may be onto something....

[Huinesoron]

I am deeply concerned that this may make me Shawn.

hS

[Galadriel55]

What just happened toDay with the votes? Just Eonwe to go, and Ka's fate decided already?

Is it just that enough people are quarantined that this thread has more DL excitement than the GT? :rolleyes:

Edit: crossed with Steve on the GT. Can we finish the Day early?

[Pitchwife]

Brinn from the QT again? We've just finished watching Cats so I'm just seeing her as having nine lives now. She's been the pick so often now it just feels like the QT must have some information we simply don't.
Yes. We know that we know nothing.[/SOCRATES]

[satansaloser2005]

What is it with them and the massive bandwagons?

[Inziladun]

What is it with them and the massive bandwagons?

What is it with the Seer hints? :rolleyes:
Maybe we're about to see the real one.