Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXV: On the Borders of Mirkwood - Game Thread

[Thinlómien]

Are you telling me you think Rikae isn't the cobbler?

If that's true, then I'm glad someone else needs to facepalm as hard as me after this game :D:D:D

[Rikae]

Sally? I thought it was Kath! :eek::D

[Thinlómien]

Oh my god.

[Thinlómien]

Seriously :D:D:D

[satansaloser2005]

Sally? I thought it was Kath! :eek::D

I could tell. :Merisu:

[Macalaure]

*gets fork and knife and napkin*

Let's finish this like civilized wolves!

:smokin:

[Thinlómien]

*slow clap*

That was absolutely insane, wolves. Well done.

Kath, would you like to join me in the idiot innocents' club? :D:D:D

It does comfort me though that why I went so wrong was because I was certain Kath was innocent.

At least I got SOMETHING right.

[Pitchwife]

Information is not knowledge
Knowledge is not wisdom
Wisdom is not truth
Truth is not beauty
Beauty is not love
Love is not music
Music is the best!


You should all have listened to Shasta.

[Thinlómien]

Also SERIOUSLY.

Brinn and Kath. Why did we not make Sally the other lynch option yesterDay. WE ALL SUSPECTED HER GOD[censored].

[satansaloser2005]

Yes, Mac, let us break out the blood goblets and the knives meant for the most tender meat. We are, after all, classy motherwolfers.

[satansaloser2005]

Also SERIOUSLY.

Brinn and Kath. Why did we not make Sally the other lynch option yesterDay. WE ALL SUSPECTED HER GOD[censored].

Yesterday straight up blew my tiny mind.

[Pitchwife]

I, for one, prefer to use my fangs & claws like a proper Nightmare Wolf.

[Thinlómien]

Brinn and Nilp would you also like to paint your clown faces?

Seriously. This outcome is a relief to me actually because I spent the whole Night convinced I am an utter failure but boy we all were :D:D:D

Shasta is the only innocent who made whatsoever any sense yesterDay. *sends kisses and apologies to the dead thread*

(Yes, Brinn voted for a wolf but if she had voted Mac instead we would have been saved.)

[Macalaure]

You should all have listened to Shasta.

Or Brinn, for that matter. Her boss lady analyses yesterDay were pretty spot on.

[Thinlómien]

My furry dudes I'm full of admiration

but

WHY ON EARTH DID YOU SPLIT YOUR VOTE LIKE THAT YESTERDAY

that was absolutely brazen and pretty cool :D:D:D

[satansaloser2005]

I, for one, prefer to use my fangs & claws like a proper Nightmare Wolf.

And rightly so, my terrifying brother. Embrace your primal instincts. You deserve it!

[Pitchwife]

Let me guess, Lommy, are you the Ranger?

[Brinniel]

Brinn and Kath. Why did we not make Sally the other lynch option yesterDay. WE ALL SUSPECTED HER GOD
Well, that was on you. I did vote her. And yes, I should've voted Mac, but you two were the ones that joined that ridiculous Shasta bandwagon. He was our only practically known innocent!

And really guys, you didn't want to make this more fun and bus one of your own? You still probably would've won anyway.. :rolleyes:

[satansaloser2005]

Let me guess, Lommy, are you the Ranger?

Yes please, tell us who you are, ranger. Speaking for myself, I have no idea who you might be....

[Boromir88]

Well after some thought and discussion. Game has concluded.

Wolves Victory. Congrats Legate, Macalaure, sally, and Pitch (the Nightmare wolf) for a wonderfully played game.

Cobbler victory! Absolutely brilliant Rikae!

This post will serve as a place holder for the final narration!

Dead folks, come on over and join the discussion!

We'll keep the Game discussion happening here, but I'm all good for calling it. :D

[Macalaure]

(Yes, Brinn voted for a wolf but if she had voted Mac instead we would have been saved.)

With Nilp's vote, it wouldn't actually have mattered.

[satansaloser2005]

And really guys, you didn't want to make this more fun and bus one of your own? You still probably would've won anyway.. :rolleyes:

Hey, we sure tried....

[Thinlómien]

Let me guess, Lommy, are you the Ranger?HOW

WOULD

YOU

KNOW

THAT

I was consoling myself with at least the thought that you guys must have had no idea because I looked like the dumbest ordo to ever ordo, or possibly the cobbler.

But yes I am. Don't ask who I protected last Night because it doesn't make me look any smarter :D:D:D

[satansaloser2005]

I was consoling myself with at least the thought that you guys must have had no idea because I looked like the dumbest ordo to ever ordo, or possibly the cobbler.

But yes I am. Don't ask who I protected last Night because it doesn't make me look any smarter :D:D:D

Oooo, was it meeeeeeeeeeeee?

[Macalaure]

WHY ON EARTH DID YOU SPLIT YOUR VOTE LIKE THAT YESTERDAYIt was not planned!

Remember when I said I felt like being encircled by wolves? That was me complaining to them! :mad: :D

[Nogrod]

Well. Had Nilp not appeared out from nowhere in the very last seconds of the last minute, the dead would have voted to get Mac on the gallows - and the game would have been very different toDay. :(

But congrats wolves! Pretty daringly played, especially dividing your vote on Day4! That was genius!

[satansaloser2005]

It was not planned!

Remember when I said I felt like being encircled by wolves? That was me complaining to them! :mad: :D

We're still sorry but not really. We would have remembered you fondly. ;)

[Brinniel]

I'm putting an end to this misery and Nilping myself! Yesterday gave me anxiety and a headache that lasted through the night.

AND WHY CAN'T I EVER BE IN THE DEAD THREAD?! :mad: IT LOOKS SO MUCH MORE FUN! :smokin:

++Brinn

[Formendacil]

Well. Had Nilp not appeared out from nowhere in the very last seconds of the last minute, the dead would have voted to get Mac on the gallows - and the game would have been very different toDay. :(

But congrats wolves! Pretty daringly played, especially dividing your vote on Day4! That was genius!

He's not kidding--once you read the Dead Thread, you will see we were pretty much completely taken in. I daresay our extra vote would have staved things off (NILLLLLLLLLLP!), but not changed the end result.

[Pitchwife]

WHY ON EARTH DID YOU SPLIT YOUR VOTE LIKE THAT YESTERDAYWell, as for me, that was totally unplanned. I came into yesterDay with no good idea what to do, but when I saw you improving on Mac's list I thought, maybe that could be an opening, and while I was writing a post Shasta happened and Sally got on board too and it all spun from there. Could have turned out not so good if not for Nilp's last second vote. I laughed like crazy for minutes when it actually worked.

[Huinesoron]

Edit: For posterity, the Dead Thread (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=19402)

Hello, Living. Well done, Wolves and Cobbler! You deserve the win.

For the past... several Days, we Dead have been insisting the Living are all terrible, but this result proves one thing:

The Dead are terrible too!

We'd pretty much unanimously agreed on a Legate-Mac-Lommy-Kath pack, so this has been a really surprising Morning. (We did spot Rikae yesterday though!)

Wolves, I have to know: did you find the post where Greenie listed all of her dreams on Day 3?

hS

[Nogrod]

I daresay our extra vote would have staved things off (NILLLLLLLLLLP!), but not changed the end result.
You might be correct with the latter, but at last there would have been a fighting chance for one more Day.

[Boromir88]

It was not planned!

Remember when I said I felt like being encircled by wolves? That was me complaining to them! :mad: :D

I was busting out laughing when you made that post. Sides are still hurting. I have a whole list of posts next to my computer just from yesterday that I tried to rep for everyone, but kept saying I had to spread the wealth.

Ah well, hopefully I can get around to it.

[Pitchwife]

HOW

WOULD

YOU

KNOW

THAT
Your response to my post about Rikae drawing the Ranger protection from Greenie. Nothing you couldn't have said as an ordo, but I got a feeling you might have a special investment in the matter.

[Thinlómien]

No, it was not you Sally. It was Pitch.

See, based on rereading yesterDay, I was conviced the wolves are Mac, Kath and Brinn, and Rikae is the cobbler.

That made Sally and Pitch the remaining ordos to me.

I wanted to protect Nilp of course, but I couldn't (which you correctly calculated :mad:), but I hoped there was still a chance that the wolves wouldn't dare to attack Nilp in case I had actualy gambled before.

So I was like "who else is a likely wolf kill?" "Obviously Sally who so innocently joined the anti-Mac wagon since Mac must be a wolf after all."

(Side note: I SAID THE ANTI-MAC WAGON LOOKED FISHY AF AND FULL OF FURRIES AND IT WAS!!!!! somehow we still messed up. amazing.)

So I went "but the wolves must agree that Sally looks very innocent, so they would expect me to protect Sally if I can't protect Nilp. So if they want to play it über safe, they'll have to gun for someone else".

So then I thought Pitch would be the perfect candidate for the wolf kill. He was laying low the whole game, ergo could look like a gifted. For not jumping on the Shasta wagon, he was unlikely to look like a cobbler to the wolves. He was obviously innocent. :rolleyes: And best of all, he had talked about the wolves possibly trying to mislead the ranger and the bh, which is a point the ranger would have thought about! (Side note spoiler alert: she didn't.) :rolleyes:

So I managed to convince myself Pitch was a likely wolf plan C kill choice that they might be desperate enough to go for if they didn't go for Nilp because they really really really needed to kill an innocent.

...oops.

But hey, I couldn't have really prevented the kill anyhow since I had just protected Nilp, who had very clearly said he would be unprotected (which turned out not to be a bluff), and I had no way of knowing the wolves would prefer to gun for the seer instead of him. (To be fair, would I have had a little less busy RL day that Night, I might have still protected someone else, but I didn't have any feasible alternative for Nilp. Also if the wolves had killed Nilp under my nose I would have kicked myself real hard.)

[Macalaure]

*goes to check dead thread*

*expects a lot of dents in the walls from all the heads banged against them*

[A Little Green]

He's not kidding--once you read the Dead Thread, you will see we were pretty much completely taken in. I daresay our extra vote would have staved things off (NILLLLLLLLLLP!), but not changed the end result.
To be fair, after all of our complaints about the living being terrible, I think we kind of deserved to be wrong about everyone except Mac. (At least we got him right. I think the yelling in the Dead Thread reached impressive new heights when he voted for Shasta after saying that he was a possible Seer-dreamed innocent, and nobody batted an eye :o)

Wolves, I have to know: did you find the post where Greenie listed all of her dreams on Day 3?
See, this is the thing. I discovered that from a dead Seer's perspective the Dead Thread is actually a horrible idea! All the relevant information was in that D3 list post, but all you guys did was try to figure out increasingly complicated methods of communicating with the Dead Thread :D I mean, I got to the Dead Thread and they'd already figured out all the dreams so I was sure the living would, too :rolleyes: (For the record: N1 Shasta, N2 Nilp, N3 Rikae, N4 Legate.)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

My dear, beloved packmates! *joins a big, furry hug* Well done!!! I'm so proud of you *wipes tear*

And our dearest ally! I am amazed. That's what I call resilience! That's how it should be played! You showed all the Cobblers who exist only to become instant knowledge and throw themseves in a kamikaze run on the first opportunity, you showed them how it's done! That was some performance!

*thinks of the Dead Thread and giggles* You should absolutely see what were the Dead doing... and especially who they thought were the Wolves. Close! But not enough, clearly not enough...

I may have forgotten something, but Brinniel was the only I know of who said (yesterDay, I believe?) at some point correctly who all the Wolves were. A pity (well, for the innocents, I mean) that the thought was not followed more closely.

But yes I am. Don't ask who I protected last Night because it doesn't make me look any smarter
As some consolation to the innocents that Wolves can be also oblivious however: the first moment I literally started seriously considering Lommy might be the Ranger was about thirty-five minutes ago when she entered the room with a grin on her face that she clearly could not suppress. That was also the first failure at our home in keeping poker faces, as far as I am aware.

But folks... try sending kill PMs when another person is sitting a meter and half from you...

Remember when I said I felt like being encircled by wolves? That was me complaining to them!
That was fun :D

Anyways, it was a really fun game! Thanks, Boro! Thanks everyone anyway! I enjoyed interacting with every single one of you, roles be whatever they be.

And the Dead Thread should absolutely become a thing in every game, in some way or another.

[Thinlómien]

Your response to my post about Rikae drawing the Ranger protection from Greenie. Nothing you couldn't have said as an ordo, but I got a feeling you might have a special investment in the matter.I was wondering if I should comment on that at all but I couldn't quite restrain myself, because it made me belatedly suspect Mac (hellooooo why didn't I stick to that) and I wanted to point that out.

Mac, was that post of yours on Day2 where you made a list and similarly worded your innocent feelings of me and Rikae a deliberate protection lure?

I'm sad to say it worked. :rolleyes:

But hey, if it hadn't, my other protection option for N4 was Sally for "possibly seerishly defending Nogrod" :rolleyes::D To clarify, I didn't think Sally was the seer, but I thought the wolves might think she was.

[Thinlómien]

As some consolation to the innocents that Wolves can be also oblivious however: the first moment I literally started seriously considering Lommy might be the Ranger was about thirty-five minutes ago when she entered the room with a grin on her face that she clearly could not suppress. That was also the first failure at our home in keeping poker faces, as far as I am aware.*shrug shrug*

I had an adrenaline hype tbh. And it didn't help that our lovely Mod God sent me a link to The Final Countdown on youtube and I was listening to it on repeat. :D:D:D

[Formendacil]

I think my biggest takeaway from this Game was: if it's another five years between games (seriously, I think my last one was the 10th anniversary in 2015), I need to deep dive into a couple of old games first to refresh myself.

And, uh, I think I'll consider the Excel thing a failed experiment.

[Thinlómien]

Upon request of the furry person sitting a meter away from me, a list of ranger protections aka oops oops and oops

N1 Boro :Merisu: well, I tried. He didn't let me do that. :p
N2 Brinn. Lottie was on my short list too. I wanted to go for someone who might be giving a "gifted vibe" and had clearly stated their trust in another player (possible see dream). I don't remember who I thought seer-looking Brinn could have dreamed of., and I probably don't want to. :rolleyes:
N3 Mac (see previous post)
N4 Nilp
N5 Pitch (also see a previous post)

[Kath]

Honestly. That has to be one of the worst games I've ever played in terms of my own performance. :D Beautifully played wolves and Cobbler!

[Nogrod]

So then I thought Pitch would be the perfect candidate for the wolf kill. He was laying low the whole game, ergo could look like a gifted. For not jumping on the Shasta wagon, he was unlikely to look like a cobbler to the wolves. He was obviously innocent. And best of all, he had talked about the wolves possibly trying to mislead the ranger and the bh, which is a point the ranger would have thought about! (Side note spoiler alert: she didn't.)
These were more less the exact points which made me feel quite strongly Pitch was the Ranger (okay, Brinn was my other candidate for the Ranger).

It was nice to realize one was not totally in rust after years of no games, but I clearly noticed I had lost even the slightest touch of self-preservation. Although now that I checked it, I was lynched by the votes of two wolves, the Cobbler and one innocent. So that kind of cheers me up a bit even if I would have liked to play a little more with the living.

That said: I also hope the Dead Thread is here to stay. It is absolutely marvellous for both it's nice feeling but also the quite stressless chance to play the game. Well, to be honest, I guess we stressed even more in the end of D4 than you guys here, but the difference was, we stressed together, in a company, sharing our feelings - which you kind of can't do in the living thread.

[Thinlómien]

Honestly. That has to be one of the worst games I've ever played in terms of my own performance. :D Beautifully played wolves and Cobbler!You have no idea how much it comforts me that it's you and me both. :D And that I at lest got your innocence right unlike pretty much everyone else!

But like looks like both the living and the dead villagers were mostly extremely clueless in this game.

It's just terrible that last game, I trusted logic too much and persecuted innocents based on it, and this game, I decided to favour gut feeling but it didn't serve me much better...

[A Little Green]

That said - seriously well done, wolves! With a combination of exceptionally clueless ordos and Gifteds (admittedly both Nilp and I pegged Legate on the same Night, but as our only wolf catch it's kind of sad), and an exceptionally brilliant wolf pack, you really did deserve it this time. That was a fantastic performance, you guys.

Also special shout out to Shasta, who I dreamed on N1 because I figured if I know I can trust him he'll make a terrific ally (and might even point me to actual wolves with those famous psychic powers of his). Turns out I was right, but his Cassandra complex on the last Day was tragic to watch. :(

Finally, unrelated sidenote - I'm almost disappointed we didn't get a chance to see the Nightmare Pitch in action. (Though God knows us Gifteds were in enough trouble as it was :rolleyes:) So maybe that's a role we can have again in a later game?

[Brinniel]

Honestly. That has to be one of the worst games I've ever played in terms of my own performance.
Me as well. At the end I was so convinced that Pitch and Sally were wolves, and I was sure that the voting was coming down between two innocents. :rolleyes: At least I was right about the first two.

[Boromir88]

A brief secretarial post...

Gifted:

Seer Greenie
N1- Shasta
N2- Nilp
N3- Rikae
N4- Legate

*Kudos to Huey in the dead thread for figuring out these exact and precise dreams. Then subsequently the head bashing that after her death the focus was on complicated messages to the Dead players and not actually reading Greenie's posts.

I will point out that Brinn and Rikae went through Greenie's posts and I think were the closest to figuring out her dreams. And the "dead communication" plots were mostly being stirred by a wolfy-Mac

Ranger Lommy
N2- Brinn
N3- Mac
N4- Nilp
N5- Pitch

You didn't protect all wolves! Even though I think you protected them more during the day this time than guarding them at night. Ah well, many of the dead will be eating a bit of humility too.

Beast Hunter Nilp
N2- Brinn
N3- Himself
N4- Greenie

I'm very glad that this role's gift played out. Especially seeing that Nilp had fun with it too made it more enjoyable.

It's the game I think I will dub Nilp was soooo close, but yet not quite.

Night 2 he sent the PM wondering if he booby traps Brinn's house or Lottie's. He settled on Brinn unfortunately. And that could have changed things pretty quickly. Because at that time Pitch was the the NW and was the chosen sacrifice if they were caught in the trap.

But when it became evident that Legate would go down sooner or later (I think after Nog's lynch) they switched to sacrifice him. Which was a well timed move, since Greenie dreamed of him only that same night.

Then he had a bold plot to openly accuse Mac of being a werewolf and tried to bait the wolves to come after him that night. (I'd be interested to hear from the pack what they thought about Nilp that day he voted for Mac). Only the wolves did not take the bait, which convinced him that Mac was innocent and well...the rest is history.

I think Nilp lacks mine and Lommy's resilience (to help Rikae in their point system :D)

[Pitchwife]

Honour where honour is due: Rikae, that was awesome! We only began to suspect it was you last Night (actually Mac did:D), but I should probably have guessed because I'm pretty sure you'd have destroyed me if you'd been innocent.


Kudos to our Sestra Wolfcake, Sally, who actually suggested to kill Greenie when we did. That was a stroke of genius! Her being the seer came as a joyous surprise, to me at least.


Mac, you said last game you were always nervous as a wolf, but you looked totally cool to me most of the Daytime. Admirable!


Legate, good choice to take my place as BH trap bait when you did. It hurt to lose you, but you've been avenged!



Also kudos to Brinn: you had us all scared with your analyses, they were so close to truth!


Nog and Formy: I'm so sorry for the frustration you went through in this game, but what's a bloodthirsty night-beast supposed to do?:Merisu:

[Thinlómien]

Also one more thing I feel bad about is messing up interpreting Greenie's dreams. I didn't go through Greenie's posts myself, and if I had, I think I might have figured them out better. My N1 Lottie, N2 Nilp, N3 Legate interpretation was solely based on quotes picked from other people's analyses. ( = bad. But I had limited amount of time and energy to play this time thanks to work, so I thought I could afford to take the shortcut since there were several different greenielyses floating around...)

[Galadriel55]

Congratulations, baddies! :D That was a very close game. It was fun to watch both threads from the side without being personally involved. For the record, I was cheering for whichever side was losing at any given time. ^.^

With pride, I can claim I suspected sally from Day 2, when she started to participate actively. However, I was completely lost about all the gifteds, and even at the very end when it should have been nearly process of elimination I thought the Ranger was Kath. :o

The game was epic and intense. I am glad I wasn't playing but got to watch. It's a shame the NW didn't get to use his role though. That was an interesting role twist that was debated a lot before the game but never played out. Overall though great game Boro! Turns out gifteds and wolves do occasionally die in your games - but it's still gonna be a votes race! :p

[A Little Green]

Honour where honour is due: Rikae, that was awesome! We only began to suspect it was you last Night (actually Mac did), but I should probably have guessed because I'm pretty sure you'd have destroyed me if you'd been innocent.
They were brilliant. I dreamed them on N3 because I had a bad feeling (it didn't sound like innocent Rikae to be so wrong about their suspects) but I now can't figure out why I didn't join the dots and think Cobbler until yesterDay.

Kudos to our Sestra Wolfcake, Sally, who actually suggested to kill Greenie when we did. That was a stroke of genius! Her being the seer came as a joyous surprise, to me at least.Hang on - so you didn't actually know I was the Seer? I can't decide if this makes me feel better or worse. (Reminds me of my first ever game as a Seer where I was picked as a no-trace kill on Night 2. At least I survived a bit longer this time. :rolleyes:)

[Thinlómien]

I think I'm heading to bed, but there's still a lot to mull over tomorrow. I want to read the dead thread, it sounds fun (why do I never get there??) and it might make me feel a little better about my cluelessness. :D

Also, I really liked Rikae's random comment on categorising players based on perceptiveness, persuasiveness and resilience. Where do you guys think you stand?

Personally I think I'm very resilient (I almost always make it to the endgame, or at least Night/Day 4-5ish, regardless of whether I'm ordo, wolf or gifted).

I can also be fairly persuasive I think (see for instance getting Sally lynched last game)...

...but it isn't really a blessing because my weak point is perceptiveness. Which was proven AGAIN in this game. :rolleyes::D

[A Little Green]

I want to read the dead thread, it sounds fun (why do I never get there??) and it might make me feel a little better about my cluelessness. I highly recommend it. You get called a wolf a lot.

[Thinlómien]

Also since I should have said it earlier, thaks Boro for modding the game. <3 Despite all the suffering, it was fun.

And I quite liked the rules, even though I must say I prefer the other version of the dead thread ie where they get a vote instead of empowering a villager. It's less... chaotic, and it saves everyone the kind of headache we all had yesterDay about the stupid communication scheme. :rolleyes::D

Now I'm REALLY off to bed. :D

[Nogrod]

Then subsequently the head bashing that after her death the focus was on complicated messages to the Dead players and not actually reading Greenie's posts.
This was actually one of the things that made us dead just go nuts in there! At least the innocents should understand that those systems don't work and can't work, and are only a waste of time. The villagers could use that time to do something actually important - like this time trying to understand what the Seer had left them.

Why doesn't it work? There's always going to be several version of the lists and the wolves will use the one that benefits them and only chaos ensues - and even if there is just one, you can't be sure whether the dead accepted to use it or not. And thirdly: the dead don't like to pushed around by the living, especially if they think they see things better than the living (whether it is true they do, is another matter then). Fex. we were never going to use any of your lists - and I remember the same feeling from a few other Dead Threads back in time.



But yes, that vote-splitting really crowned this wolf-victory. It was beautiful indeed.

[Thinlómien]

I highly recommend it. You get called a wolf a lot.
I can't say I didn't deserve it yesterDay. But if also before that, then it's rude. :p

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Legate (thy Lord Annatar bids you rise from the grave!), good choice to take my place as BH trap bait when you did. It hurt to lose you, but you've been avenged!
And you certainly made me watch you proudly from the grave, and not regret leaving it up to you one bit!

Incidentally - I just remembered your "potential Seer post" (well, as we dubbed it retroactively) where you announced my guilt to the whole village in your very first post... that never came into play. But perhaps that was good!


Then he had a bold plot to openly accuse Mac of being a werewolf and tried to bait the wolves to come after him that night. (I'd be interested to hear from the pack what they thought about Nilp that day he voted for Mac).
I at least recall suggesting killing Nilp as one of our initial (perhaps two) options, but we pretty quickly decided against it as it would implicate Mac.

That actually reminds me: I think our Night kills, including the Greenie one, were pure chance for most part! Correct me, Wolfmates, if I am wrong, but I think we did not have very clear reading on anything special at least during the time I was alive.
Also on the Night we killed Greenie, we nearly went for Rikae. Imagine if that had happened. But yes, our dear Sestra Wolfcake <3 talked us over into a better idea.

[Macalaure]

I may have forgotten something, but Brinniel was the only I know of who said (yesterDay, I believe?) at some point correctly who all the Wolves were.
I did not enjoy reading those posts. My optimism took a hit for a while, until I realized I might actually get away with going after Shasta.

But folks... try sending kill PMs when another person is sitting a meter and half from you...
Preach!

Mac, was that post of yours on Day2 where you made a list and similarly worded your innocent feelings of me and Rikae a deliberate protection lure?
A what? Please realize that you're asking a person who legitimately thought Shasta was the cobbler for Days. :rolleyes:

And the "dead communication" plots were mostly being stirred by a wolfy-Mac
I just wanted to look like a helpful member of the community!

(I'd be interested to hear from the pack what they thought about Nilp that day he voted for Mac).
He 100% fooled me and it took my packmates to talk me out of it. On Day3 I made a post about fake gifted reveals - that was me trying to lay some groundwork to dispute seerNilp in the future.

Her being the seer came as a joyous surprise, to me at least.
Likewise. I didn't expect it.

Mac, you said last game you were always nervous as a wolf, but you looked totally cool to me most of the Daytime. Admirable!
I previewed every post like five times to check whether my tone sounded right!

My N1 Lottie, N2 Nilp, N3 Legate interpretation was solely based on quotes picked from other people's analyses.
Ah yes, I remember. Those were mine. :p

[Macalaure]

Did any of you save our wolf pm's, btw?

[satansaloser2005]

Did any of you save our wolf pm's, btw?

I have them on my laptop. If the village likes, I could share them later this weekend. 🙂

[Pitchwife]

Finally, unrelated sidenote - I'm almost disappointed we didn't get a chance to see the Nightmare Pitch in action. (Though God knows us Gifteds were in enough trouble as it was :rolleyes:) So maybe that's a role we can have again in a later game?
Seconded! It was ironic that I, as the most expendable member of the pack, ended up in a rather safe spot, suspected here and there but never seriously and mostly written off as the cobbler. But what the knowledge of my secret superpower did for me was keep me from worrying about survival, which in turn may have reinforced the cobblerish impression (what Lommy correctly called my detachment from the game). I was ready to be lynched any old Day if need be, it just never happened.

[Macalaure]

Fex. we were never going to use any of your lists - and I remember the same feeling from a few other Dead Threads back in time.Funnily, according to my list, empowering Shasta would have pointed to Sally being a wolf!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I think I'm heading to bed, but there's still a lot to mull over tomorrow. I want to read the dead thread, it sounds fun (why do I never get there??) and it might make me feel a little better about my cluelessness.
I highly recommend it. You get called a wolf a lot.
Also recommending it to anyone of you who are missing Kafka on your to-read list, you might be able to cover quite a bit of it from there :D

[Boromir88]

Funnily, according to my list, empowering Shasta would have pointed to Sally being a wolf!

They made a pact to empower the person who was going to be wrongfully lynched. Which I found quite amusing...

Form the previous day and then Shasta.

Although that narration was a blast, because Nilp had messaged me around 2 that he couldn't go on the Barrow-downs, that's when I knew to check and see the server was down. He said he really had to get some sleep since it was afterall 2am for him, but he would set an alarm before the DL and no promises.

So the Dead thread players are counting down hoping Nilp doesn't wake up, because they figured he wouldn't vote for Mac.

With 5 minutes, I'm thinking there's no way he's waking up and making it in time. I had the "It's deadline. Stop posting" typed up and was going to explain with the tie and empowered Shasta, Mac would be lynched, narration and role will follow soon.

I clicked post on that and saw Nilp's vote with the time stamp of :00. I mean it had to be seconds to spare before it turned to :01. And I couldn't believe it. Crazy, crazy time.

[Pitchwife]

Bedtime. I'll leave the Dead Thread for tomorrow. I love you all! And to be sure, thanks to Boro for modding an insanely fun game!

[Brinniel]

That was a very close game.
Haha, I think you are being too kind. :p More like an brilliant game from the baddies and an epic failure from us confused villagers!

Congrats are in order indeed to the other side! :smokin: Even if we had lynched Mac yesterDay, I think you would've still won because I for one did not think Sally and Mac were on the same team. :o

Personally I think I'm very resilient (I almost always make it to the endgame, or at least Night/Day 4-5ish, regardless of whether I'm ordo, wolf or gifted).
As I recall, that seems to happen to me too. After last game, I was convinced I'd get Night killed earlier on.

And I quite liked the rules, even though I must say I prefer the other version of the dead thread ie where they get a vote instead of empowering a villager. It's less... chaotic, and it saves everyone the kind of headache we all had yesterDay about the stupid communication scheme.
Agreed in that the part I liked about it more was that we heard from the Dead/Quarantine Thread two hours before deadline, so that the village had the chance to react to it rather than wait until the next Day. I wonder what it would be like if the Dead had to vote to empower someone before most players had voted.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Did any of you save our wolf pm's, btw?
I have them on my laptop. If the village likes, I could share them later this weekend. 🙂
I also have those at least from the Nights when I was still alive. We can see whoever of us gets to them earlier and is able to post them in some coherent manner (might be a bit difficult on my part, I simply downloaded them from the 'Downs).

Seconded! It was ironic that I, as the most expendable member of the pack, ended up in a rather safe spot, suspected here and there but never seriously and mostly written off as the cobbler. But what the knowledge of my secret superpower did for me was keep me from worrying about survival, which in turn may have reinforced the cobblerish impression (what Lommy correctly called my detachment from the game). I was ready to be lynched any old Day if need be, it just never happened.

I don't know how much my behaviour objectively contributed to that, but even from my part I realised that somehow I had built my reasoning and suspicious into a way that made me "suspect" you the least of my packmates. I realised it was an undesireable situation, but did not have time to back away from it (then I died).

[Galadriel55]

Agreed in that the part I liked about it more was that we heard from the Dead/Quarantine Thread two hours before deadline, so that the village had the chance to react to it rather than wait until the next Day. I wonder what it would be like if the Dead had to vote to empower someone before most players had voted.

That's an interesting twist. I was actually thinking on the opposite lines - what if the dead would also cast their vote at DL? How would that change things in Nog's game?

On that note, at one point the Dead gave up banging heads on the wall and started brainstorming ideas for more Dead Thread games, and had some really good ones. I wanna play in those.

Also, I really liked Rikae's random comment on categorising players based on perceptiveness, persuasiveness and resilience. Where do you guys think you stand?

Personally I think I'm very resilient (I almost always make it to the endgame, or at least Night/Day 4-5ish, regardless of whether I'm ordo, wolf or gifted).

I can also be fairly persuasive I think (see for instance getting Sally lynched last game)...

...but it isn't really a blessing because my weak point is perceptiveness. Which was proven AGAIN in this game.

Lol! Mine would probably be low on all counts as I tend to die early for stupid reasons and mostly unheeded regardless of role, but I make up for it with misguided chaos - again, regardless of role.

And speaking of misguided chaos, indeed I could not resist a cameo while reading the game. Hui, your reactions to my antics make me laugh so hard every time. I am keeping this one close to my heart and my posts. :Merisu:

[Formendacil]

Congratulations, baddies! :D That was a very close game. It was fun to watch both threads from the side without being personally involved. For the record, I was cheering for whichever side was losing at any given time. ^.^

So... the village pretty much the whole game? :p

And to those wondering: the Dead Thread is definitely a keeper, whatever its role. This theme came up several times over there. I think it will be a staple of Downsian WWing henceforth. In some form or other.

[Boromir88]

So... the village pretty much the whole game? :p

And to those wondering: the Dead Thread is definitely a keeper, whatever its role. This theme came up several times over there. I think it will be a staple of Downsian WWing henceforth. In some form or other.

I'm going to hold you to sharing that Ghost writer role you were brain-storming. :D

Inspired by Legate's Kafka quoting.

[Galadriel55]

So... the village pretty much the whole game? :p

In the middle Days I kinda ended up flip flopping, cheering for the DT but also cheering for living wolves. And hoping against hope that the villagers will be able to rally on the last Day.

And to those wondering: the Dead Thread is definitely a keeper, whatever its role. This theme came up several times over there. I think it will be a staple of Downsian WWing henceforth. In some form or other.

Absolutely. There needs to be a place to chat when you die, in some form or another. ++Dead Threads.

[Formendacil]

I'm going to hold you to sharing that Ghost writer role you were brain-storming. :D

Inspired by Legate's Kafka quoting.

I mean... that does sort of bring up the question: who's modding next?

Because while I most definitely do not need to (there were Lists once! With a capital L), I *am* actually in a mood to play again!

Like it's 2006. :D

[Loslote]

Phenomenal game play, wolves and cobbler. :eek: That's probably one of the best wolf packs I've ever seen. You all completely deserved that win. :o

Boro, thank you for a really fun game!!! And my Dead Thread Friends, thanks for a delightful time commentating all game long. :D

[Loslote]

I died pretty early, so I don't have much to say in terms of my actual gameplay, but I will say that I was trying to bait the wolves into thinking I was a Seer who dreamed of an innocent Huey N1, and apparently I was second choice on both Nilp and Lommy's lists, so I came very close to the plan working!! Oh, well. :p

[Blind Guardian]

That was absolutely amazing. Nice playing Rikae, Wolf Pack, Nilp for giving us the Great Nilping of 2020, and Huey for figuring out the Seer

*tips hat*

I think this is the first time I've figured out how to rep posts. But I didn't sign it so oh well!

Almost all the baddies were playing the "silent but deadly" role. I call shenanigans on Sally's needing to work. She just wanted an excuse to look like she was in a hurry or unavailable. :Merisu:

I would love to play the next game. Please can we have the end time earlier? 3PM (10GMT) is my lunch time and I'm never online. 2PM (9GMT) or 1PM (8GMT) would be better for me.

[Brinniel]

Quickly looked over some of the Dead Thread. Always looks like fun.

At the end of yesterDay, I thought you would all be mad at me for not voting Mac! After Nilp randomly showed up, I certainly was mad at myself. :rolleyes:

And if Greenie did dream of Shasta, I'm sure she's screaming at y'all beyond the grave.
Finally someone understands me!
*blows kisses* :Merisu:

[Brinniel]

And to those wondering: the Dead Thread is definitely a keeper, whatever its role. This theme came up several times over there. I think it will be a staple of Downsian WWing henceforth. In some form or other.
I'm all for this. One of the bigger downsides of dying (other than that is in fact, dying) is that you don't get to participate anyway. And it always has me feel bad for the ones who die early on. A Dead Thread continues to make the game fun for those who are lynched/killed.

I mean... that does sort of bring up the question: who's modding next?

Because while I most definitely do not need to (there were Lists once! With a capital L), I *am* actually in a mood to play again!

Like it's 2006.
Haha, 2006 was a good year...though I didn't start playing WW until 2007. Welp, my wedding is offically postponed thanks to covid, and as of now I literally have nothing else to look forward to this year, so I might as well keep playing at least while I'm still working from home (which will probably be at least until September). I will say I could use a few weeks off from WW - maybe another game at the beginning of July?

[Loslote]

I definitely want to play again. Werewolf has been a massive highlight this summer. Formy, your Ghost Game sounds amazing, I would love to play that kind of game. :D

[Boromir88]

I drew for the wolves first.

The first round, I drew 4 names 3 times. And all 3 times I pulled Legate and Mac's names. So, I figured it must have been meant to be this time...especially also being set near Amon Lanc. :eek:

I set them aside as 2 of the wolves and then pulled 4 names 3 more times. This had a little more variety, but there were 3 names I pulled twice... Pitch, Sally, Wilwa. I debated various combinations and thought maybe whoever is left out could be the cobbler.

But I settled on a pack of Legate, Mac, Pitch and Wilwa.

I pulled names for the gifted roles 3 times.

1 time Greenie was the seer and another time the Beast Hunter. 1 time Nilp was the ranger and another time the Beast Hunter. So I settled on Greenie seer, and Nilp BH. I pulled Lommy's name twice for the ranger and figured that was meant to be. Lommy messaged that she rarely ever was the Ranger and always seemed to protect the wolves more than innocents. :p

I was going to draw for the cobbler a few times, but 1st go was Rikae. I thought, perfect. They can put their wolf-finding skills for nefarious purposes.

Night 1 after roles had gone out, threw a big wrench into the start of the game. The next morning Wilwa messaged me she had to withdraw. Legate messaged me around Noon (with Day 1 starting in 6 hours) that he had not heard yet from either Mac or Pitch. So I rushed to figure out if I just regroup and restart in a few days or what to do.

I thought the best course was even if I couldn't get someone to be the 16th player for Wilwa to stick with 4 werewolves (I probably would have then just said forget about the NW). So, I quickly messaged sally, since she was sort of that '5th name' that if she wouldn't mind switching sides and being a wolf. She quickly got back and accepted. That was set.

I thought this might be really unfavorable to the village but essentially losing an "ordo" before Day 1 wouldn't be the most insurmountable setback. But I thought I better try to find someone to take a villager spot. I messaged Form and Eomer. They both responded Yes, Form just maybe 5 minutes before Eomer. And I thought...oh maybe I can insert Eomer into the game too! Wait...idiot, roles have already been sent out, it would be obvious what Eomer's role would be! But it's ok for Form to come in because the only people who knew Wilwa was meant to be a wolf were the other members. And the only person who knew sally was supposed to be an ordo was sally.

I'm very glad to pull Form out of retirement and that he and Nienna enjoyed it! From the very first post of "I'm just house-sitting for Wilwa, I wasn't even supposed to be here" post I was super happy. Thank you again!

Thank you BG for also stepping back into the game and glad you enjoyed it too!

I'm very happy that the BH role was used. When I was reading other Mafia-inspired games I thought it would be cool, but also over-powering in a smaller village.

I regret all that planning of the NW didn't go into effect. In the first email to the pack the randomizer spit out Pitch's name, but I gave them the option to discuss during Night 1 and change it to another one of them if they wanted. Pitch graciously accepted to keep it.

I think it would have been better to go with the other option of maybe once 2 wolves were dead, or when 1 wolf died and there were X number in the dead thread, instead of having 1 pre-chosen wolf to be the NW. Because while that set up an interesting dynamic for the pack to decide who to sacrifice and not. I think it also left quite a lot of confusion for the innocents to untangle as well. As the NW sort of became a psuedo-cobbler wolf, that people assumed would be the first wolf sacrificed/to die. That was probably more of a disadvantage to the village during the Day that this wolf pack used to their advantage.

Still, I guess that's the way of gaming and fortune. All the best laid plans of players and mods...Because had Nilp chosen Lottie night 2, or had the wolves taken the bait and tried to kill him Night 3, Pitch would have been the one sacrificed. If I'm remembering that correctly. They wisely chose Legate Night 4, figuring he was the one most likely to go down in a lynch soon. Also, fortunate that he was the wolf Greenie dreamed of already.

I can't say I was too disappointed though, because my end goal is just a balanced game that hopefully everyone enjoyed playing. And there will be another time to tinker with a NW possibly.

So much stuff I wrote down to comment on, but having to keep it to myself :p

I think I will leave it at this and call it a night...

Haha, 2006 was a good year...though I didn't start playing WW until 2007. Welp, my wedding is offically postponed thanks to covid, and as of now I literally have nothing else to look forward to this year, so I might as well keep playing at least while I'm still working from home (which will probably be at least until September). I will say I could use a few weeks off from WW - maybe another game at the beginning of July?

I'd be good with a break...because I definitely need to get back to some RL matters, but same boat. I'll still be pretty much free in July and August to play. Also, congratulations on your marriage!

[Galadriel55]

I would like to play again at some point. I also love modding, but I have modded a disproportionate amount of games to what I've played. However, am very much looking forward to another game in whatever capacity and role. July will be a busy time because I am restarting RL full time, but I will also have fewer family matters to attend to. So might work out. Yay for Werewolf! :D

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

https://i.imgur.com/Rh46Zhw.jpg

>be me
>2 am in the morning
>finally pain-free all day
>but also sleepy
>Downs goes down
>panicked message to Boro
>Adam must've chided me: 'If you go to sleep, you'll miss the deadline.'
>set an alarm for on the phone one and a half hour before deadline (4:30 am)
>'You know that won't matter.'
>too tired to care
>sleep
>alarm goes off
>rustle, snooze, sleep
>brain snaps me awake
>5:51 am
>nine minutes left
>grab phone
>open the Downs
>misclick the Dead thread (sorry; I saw nothing I swear)
>look for the right thread
>from 14 pages when I went to sleep to 19 pages
>go to page 17
>5:58
>no time to read
>look at the vote tally
>Mac got a bunch of consecutive moves
>'The Wolves must have made their move.'
>vote Shasta
>fail at highlighting
>twice
>thrice
>then fail the village

In hindsight, missing the deadline would have been much better.

[satansaloser2005]

Dying laughing at Nilp's post. ❤️

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

My first post in the Dead thread would have been a cartoon reaction image, but since I basically Deaded the village, I posted it here.

Boromod making me commit sudoku [sic] was lovely. I felt like doing that after reading the lynch narration.

Never suspected Sally. For some reason, I knew Kath was innocent, and I fairly trusted Lommy.

N1 Boro :Merisu: well, I tried. He didn't let me do that. :p That's funny; I also tried to set traps around his house, but he wouldn't let me either.

Rikae only pinged my radar with their totally-diferent-from-Mac's list. Did anyone check that? It had
If Nilp is a wolf, empower Shasta.
Which was funny now but disconcerting in the moment.

Mac was still on the border of my various lists, but a combination of factors made me decide to (drunkenly-like) vote Shasta: aforementioned avalanche of votes (without knowing the context of said votes), his voting record, opposition to the Dead thread information transfer (that whole thing must have been hilarious to an outside observer.)

I just wanted to look like a helpful member of the community!I just realised that this is also how I would've played as a Wolf, but for some reason it made me trust you more than Shasta.

He 100% fooled me and it took my packmates to talk me out of it. On Day3 I made a post about fake gifted reveals - that was me trying to lay some groundwork to dispute seerNilp in the future.

I at least recall suggesting killing Nilp as one of our initial (perhaps two) options, but we pretty quickly decided against it as it would implicate Mac.
I was guessing my trap failed for being too obvious, but it was probably obvious for a different reason. I'd also wait for Sally's (❤️) lycan letters, but why was BG the Night 2 kill?)

Brinn was also on the same border as Mac, but for opposite reasons--she failed a lot of my voting tests, but I trusted her analyses. (Btw, I'm partly just posting what I would've posted had I been around that DAY, sprinkled with hindsight comments. That's kinda what the weird indenting is for.)

Also, to recall Wolvish domination past, probably my best games as a baddie was with Brinn and Greenie (and a pro-villager Wolf Inziladun, who had already been lynched), where, on the last DAY, we went divide-and-conquer (accusing whoever was most convenient for us), but that was a game with retractable votes. Doing the same without that same option takes boldness. So really, all my applause to the Werewolves.

Pitch I knew was bad, but was convinced he was the Cobbler. Of course, the NW had the freedom to act Cobblerish, but that's wisdom for the next life, I guess.

the Great Nilping of 2020My suiciding the village? Hahahahuhuhuhu (laughing then sobbing)

Later I'll post my thoughts on the Beast Hunter role, and to answer this:
I think Nilp lacks mine and Lommy's resilience (to help Rikae in their point system :D)

[Galadriel55]

Aw, Nilp! <3 You know what this means? It means you gotta play again. :) Seriously, setting an alarm to vote and attempting 5 pages in as many minutes - WW points for dedication. :D

But I second your question: why BG - and if wolves were surprised Greenie was the Seer, why Greenie?

[Rikae]

And our dearest ally! I am amazed. That's what I call resilience! That's how it should be played! You showed all the Cobblers who exist only to become instant knowledge and throw themseves in a kamikaze run on the first opportunity, you showed them how it's done! That was some performance!


Aw, you're too kind! I'm really surprised to hear you guys didn't know who I was - I thought from your day 1 post leaving me out that you'd spotted my cobbler hints and were signaling me, so I was basically trying to steer the lynches away from you (and a few others, but you were the one I was most sure of) from that point on.

My day 1 "possible wolftower" suspicions were Legate, Pitch, Kath and Nilp, and I added Mac to the list on Day 2. I never suspected Sally at all, except slightly when she responded to my attempt at antagonism yesterDay with apologies - but then her vote convinced me otherwise.

And it was absolutely hilarious watching practically everyone else in the village accused of cobblery at one point or another. :D

And, uh, I think I'll consider the Excel thing a failed experiment. I don't know about that! It pointed toward Sally, didn't it?

Lommy, I felt kinda bad for leading you astray like that yesterDay ... I hope you forgive me!

I will point out that Brinn and Rikae went through Greenie's posts and I think were the closest to figuring out her dreams.

Well, my main concern was to squash any talk of known innocents as much as possible, but I couldn't avoid acknowledging Shasta as a possible one. I was so proud of myself for getting Kath off the hook, though! :rolleyes:

Honour where honour is due: Rikae, that was awesome! We only began to suspect it was you last Night (actually Mac did), but I should probably have guessed because I'm pretty sure you'd have destroyed me if you'd been innocent.
Aw, shucks! I actually had you in a gray area as maybe 50/50 possible wolf, but that was enough to back off and let you be.

Also, I really liked Rikae's random comment on categorising players based on perceptiveness, persuasiveness and resilience. Where do you guys think you stand?
I actually thought of it because of the way the last game played out, and particularly, lamenting that I was more persuasive than perceptive and I didn't understand why people listened to me.

I have them on my laptop. If the village likes, I could share them later this weekend. 🙂

Wolf posts! Wolf posts!

One more thing: I am so glad the dead thread noticed me insulting the cobbler. I was actively trying to make myself suspicious (and amuse the mod and wolves) at that point. Also, when I said "no one wants to lynch the cobbler toDay" I was basically asking the wolves why they weren't trying, haha.


>vote Shasta
>fail at highlighting
>twice
>thrice

That almost gave me a heart attack. I thought it was some kind of trick to get the baddies to prematurely celebrate and expose ourselves!

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Playing Beast Hunter meant I had to think like a Ranger. So, much of my analysis was concerned with who the Wolves would attack than who the Wolves are. I guess that was pretty much obvious based on my voting record.

DAY 1: Brinn and Lottie (my only two choices) were basically 'people who weren't one of the three Cobblers™, or people who didn't vote for them or Hui'. I eventually chose the former. Screaming ensued.

DAY 2: This one I've explained often enough. In any case I would never have thought of setting the trap for BG's house, so shrug.

DAY 3: Greenie (as well as the dead Form) was the only one not to vote for Form. Didn't expect her to be gifted, let alone the Seer. I had half-expected to die this NIGHT because I hoped the Ranger prioritised the Seer. Apparently, this scenario was closer than I thought.
To be fair, would I have had a little less busy RL day that Night, I might have still protected someone else, but I didn't have any feasible alternative for Nilp.

Re New Game (heh, literally the source of my first post's image): My disastrous decision-making in this game was due to my RL state, compounded by the deadline (and it is in that order; I felt I was participating fine the first two DAYs I wasn't compromised.) I told A Certain Critter that I would do nothing on DAY 3 because I didn't look in danger of the lynch, but then my physical condition deteriorated. (The Nog and Form-waggons quickly acquiring momentum made me realise anyone with a soupçon of suspicion could be lynched, which would be bad if I weren't around to explain myself.)

So I'd lean strongly towards joining the next game if the deadline were ah, more amenable to my location. Although there's no need to bend over backwards to accomodate me or A Possible Medical Murine--after all, we are a minority (hah).

Also, more cartoon images.

https://i.imgur.com/TlP1LBI.jpg

EDIT: I forgot to add that I might be out of regular employment by July, and my freelance thingy doesn't look like picking up anytime soon (imagine having two specialisations, with almost little in common, being nuked by the same thing), so by then I might be more willing to throw myself at anything.

[A Little Green]

Also, I really liked Rikae's random comment on categorising players based on perceptiveness, persuasiveness and resilience. Where do you guys think you stand?I liked this too! I'd say I'm perceptive but I don't always draw the right conclusions from the things I perceive :D I guess fairly resilient too, in that I tend to survive at least halfway through and often right to the end, and rarely get lynched. Persuasive, not so much. :rolleyes:

DAY 3: Greenie (as well as the dead Form) was the only one not to vote for Form. Didn't expect her to be gifted, let alone the Seer. I had half-expected to die this NIGHT because I hoped the Ranger prioritised the Seer. Apparently, this scenario was closer than I thought.So Huin was literally the only one who did spot me? *tips Seer hat* I was pretty astonished to read the Form lynch the next morning because a) I didn't really think he was that suspicious, and b) since when do 10 people decide to vote for the same person unless he was a Seer-dreamed wolf or something? I did worry that it would put me in more of a spotlight than I wanted as I was doing okay at the under-everyone's-radar thing until then. Turns out I was more right than I knew. :rolleyes:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Still, I guess that's the way of gaming and fortune. All the best laid plans of players and mods...Because had Nilp chosen Lottie night 2, or had the wolves taken the bait and tried to kill him Night 3, Pitch would have been the one sacrificed. If I'm remembering that correctly. They wisely chose Legate Night 4, figuring he was the one most likely to go down in a lynch soon. Also, fortunate that he was the wolf Greenie dreamed of already.
Actually, we had me in the front already the Night before I died. And we even debated switching back to Pitch again, because NightWolfing possibilities and we still had ALL the Gifteds running about! See, that Night 4 was actually a pretty important marker: from our perspective, before it, there were three Gifteds, one of whom was essentially a known innocent on top of all, and the two others of whom we had no clue who they might be. After the Night, suddenly the Seer was dead and the BH was without his powers, which was actually a win. The longer that would have continued, the worse for us - the need to skirt around both BH and Ranger, who could take turns in protecting the Seer, if it came to that (well, it actually happened).

I was guessing my trap failed for being too obvious, but it was probably obvious for a different reason. I'd also wait for Sally's (❤️) lycan letters, but why was BG the Night 2 kill?)
Among other things, we agreed that we did not have any better Seer leads than her the Space Odyssey quote, and we also agreed that her death will create confusion in several ways, and that she probably was strongly considered innocent by multiple people.

My packmates may want to correct me or add their own perspective, but at least my personal perspective was that very often our Nights were like: look for who might be the Seer - finding only a couple of cases with very wobbly bases - out of those not-so-convincing options, see what other advantages they have in case they are not the Seer.

Later I'll post my thoughts on the Beast Hunter role, and to answer this:
I am actually curious what you think about the role. It seemed a very interesting role to me and you were a veritable nightmare for us! And I think your reveal was brilliant, or, in other words, the worst thing that could have happened to us. I think Pitch said something that very well summed up my feelings back then on the Game Thread as his reaction to when you did it. A known innocent for the village, but one we can't kill because it almost certainly kills one of us.

But I second your question: why BG - and if wolves were surprised Greenie was the Seer, why Greenie?
I don't know if we were completely surprised - well, I was, but in the sense that "wow, it worked! We hit the Seer after we kept missing for Nights on end!" - plus, again, speaking for myself, I had no more indication that Greenie was the Seer than anybody else; in fact, less.

But don't take my perspective as very representative. I said it to my packmates and I'm saying again, I am really bad at spotting Gifteds. If you don't place a Palantír icon into your first post or say "dark have been my dreams of late", I won't even look at you.

[Pitchwife]

So I just read through the Dead thread (beautiful calligraphy, Hui!), and watching D4 unfold through the eyes of the deceased brought back all the thrill and madness once again. I wonder how it would have gone if Nilp had stayed asleep - sally and I probably would have looked better on D5 with Mac's role revealed, and I actually considered faking a Ranger reveal if our Night kill had been blocked.:D But much better having it end with a flourish like this.

Shasta, if you're still reading, you really did your best to swing it for the village on D4. Not your fault the only people heeding you were wolves.:rolleyes:

My packmates may want to correct me or add their own perspective, but at least my personal perspective was that very often our Nights were like: look for who might be the Seer - finding only a couple of cases with very wobbly bases - out of those not-so-convincing options, see what other advantages they have in case they are not the Seer.
This is basically it. We obviously swallowed Lottie's Seer bait (undecided whether she'd dreamed Hui or Legate) and BG's Odyssey quote (also the part 'Seer: no comment yet' in her list hinting it might be herself). We almost fell for Rikae's Seer hints and killed our cobbler, but then switched to Greenie more or less because she looked too innocent to lynch and had too good reads on people to keep around till endgame. I think Greenie + Brinn + Nilp were our most feared antagonists this game (Brinn was also my alternative candidate for being the Ranger at the end).

[Thinlómien]

I'm actually very glad the game ended when it did - had I made a save, I would have started the Day by revealing, apologising to Sally and Pitch and demanding the lynch of Mac, Kath and Brinn... safe to say, that would have probably undone the redemption I'd have got by making a save. :rolleyes::eek::D

[Thinlómien]

Read through the dead thread! Very entertaining, and nice team spirit there. Made me wonder how would it be to have a living thread where the vote would have to done by a majority consensus. That might be very interesting actually! And would affect wolf behaviour too.

I also really liked Legate's idea of the dead disqualifying a vote, and Form's ghost idea! Especially the Tolkien quotes only approach would be very fun.

And having seen both the recent mods suffering because they can't share their feelings during the game - I really really recommend co-mods. It's more fun than modding alone imo and it results in the wackiest narrations. And you can split the duty however you want, be equals or have a main mod and an assistant/backup mod, just as long as the players know who to send their Night picks.

[Kath]

And having seen both the recent mods suffering because they can't share their feelings during the game - I really really recommend co-mods. It's more fun than modding alone imo and it results in the wackiest narrations. And you can split the duty however you want, be equals or have a main mod and an assistant/backup mod, just as long as the players know who to send their Night picks.
I think this reads as Lommy offering to co-mod the next game with Legate. :p

[Thinlómien]

I think this reads as Lommy offering to co-mod the next game with Legate. :pNot really :D I mean, it would be a lot of fun, but I'm not sure about my schedules (even playing wise). You guys can poke me though if no one else is wanting to mod anytime soon, I think I could be talked into it...

[Nogrod]

I guess if we take a breather of a couple of weeks, people might be in to playing one more in July?

Well, I could. :)

[Boromir88]

The rest of the general stuff...

Aside from Mac's brilliantly placed comment about feeling like he's being encircled by wolves, Kath's comment on this wolf pack sent me toppling out of my chair with laughter:

How about a Greenie-Legate-Nilp + someone else wolf pack. I've nothing to back that up but I can imagine the logic vs kamikaze battles would be intense.

Actually had me dreaming about the dynamics of that wolf pack. :p

Rikae's posts usually sent me into laughter and then checking the dead thread when no one really suspected them as the cobbler until it was too late. I thought for sure based on the Day 1 banter, that Pitch and the wolves had found their cobbler early.

Kudos to the dead players for their focus and attention in trying to do the right thing for the undisciplined village. You all really struggled through it and tried to help. Your pact to empower the people about to be wrongfully lynched was super cool. I'll say while you were right in a lot of ways, I don't know if anyone could have recovered and spotted the last 2 wolves if Mac was lynched instead of Shasta. Although, it would have given the village at least one more day to figure it out and put the pieces together, it seemed to be everyone was convinced a combo of Lommy, Kath, or Brinn were the last 2 wolves.

Which Lommy would have likely been forced to reveal, but I was predicting if she did then Rikae would counter and only dead seer Greenie knowing that Rikae would be lying.

Again, thank you everyone for a very entertaining and suspenseful game. Even as a mod and knowing all the roles, I was practically falling and jumping out of my chair all the time with what was happening. I'm just glad I don't live with anyone or they'd probably question my sanity. I did a lot of pacing and smiling and squeeing thinking about what would happen and what was I going to write? :D