Geography Grilling

[Eruanna]

Angband?

[Tar-Palantir]

Cloudyhead? The name fits well, and harbors Khazad-dûm.

Maybe the High Pass above Rivendell - where the Dwarves and Bilbo got captured. It is "Misty" all around.

[ March 16, 2003: Message edited by: Tar-Palantir ]

[The Saucepan Man]

Mount Gundabad?

It's in the north, and therefore cold, part of the Misty Mountains, and chief stronghold of the hateful Orcs.

[Estanesse]

That's right Saucepan Man smilies/smile.gif

[ March 18, 2003: Message edited by: Estanesse ]

[The Saucepan Man]

A man is called
Missing the head of Arnor
But with the skill of Dwarves

Seven times seven
A seat for the faithful servant
Who drew level with the Master


What place am I?

[Rochelle]

Hmmm this is a tough one, but it makes me think of Minas Tirith.

[The Saucepan Man]

I can see what you mean, but that's not what I'm looking for.

[Eruanna]

Are you talking about the Citadel,the Tower of Ecthelion above the Court of the Fountain in Gondor?....through the seventh gate of the seventh circle, carven kingly heads in the stone, seat of the stewards....it seems to fit but I'm probably way off!!

[The Saucepan Man]

No that's not it. You need to look north-west.

[Annunfuiniel]

Is it the Shire? "Missing the head of Arnor", does that refer to that the hobbits still waited for the return of the king or just that they didn't resemble the men of Arnor? Anyway, they preferred living underground like dwarves and they dug the Great Smials. And Sam was chosen major of the Shire seven times for seven years at a time.
So, Shire is my guess. smilies/smile.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

Ooooooooh! So close, Annunfuiniel, especially on the seven times seven. Keep going ... smilies/smile.gif

[Annunfuiniel]

Bag-End, Underhill?? smilies/confused.gif
I don't even know why I'm answering this 'cause in case I miraculously happened to be right I haven't got the time to think of a new one... smilies/rolleyes.gif smilies/smile.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

No, think about the seven times seven.

And the first three lines make up a cryptic clue.

smilies/smile.gif

[Annunfuiniel]

Michel Delving?
It fits otherwise but I'm not sure about the " head of Arnor"-thing...(unless it's el- as in Elendil?) Sorry, I'm not feeling so good at the moment (I ate something that my stomach didn't approve), can't think straight... smilies/frown.gif

[Eruanna]

I was thinking of Fornost.

[The Saucepan Man]

Michel Delving it is! Well done, Annunfuiniel. smilies/smile.gif

By way of explanation:

A man is called
A man's name: Michael
Missing the head of Arnor
Take away the first letter of Arnor (A): Michel
But with the skill of Dwarves
The skill of Dwarves is Delving

Seven times seven
A seat for the faithful servant
Who drew level with the Master
The Mayor's seat was at Michel Delving. Sam was mayor seven times for seven years each time. Sam was Frodo's faithful servant, but when he became mayor he drew level in status with the Master of Buckland.

Sort of works. smilies/rolleyes.gif

So, the stage is yours, Annunfuiniel.

[Annunfuiniel]

Yes, it truly works now that you explained it. smilies/smile.gif Oh, I have created a strong love-hate-relationship to your little riddles, Saucepan; at the moment the one in the "Who am I?" -thread is making me crazy!! smilies/mad.gif smilies/biggrin.gif
Well, back to business:

I range from evil to evil
and host it as well
but refugees of goodness
and beauty on my both sides

Through my veins
I'm connected to great waters
sources of life
run from my shoulders
but I'm dead and cold

Some I let pass
some I hide
good or evil
I don't mind.

[elven maiden Earwen]

it reminds me ot the dead marshes

[Annunfuiniel]

Dead Marshes fit quite "nicely" but sorry, that's not the place I had in mind.

[elven maiden Earwen]

or the misty mountains

[Annunfuiniel]

Ah, too easy again I see! Or maybe you're just too good at these, elven maiden Earwen. smilies/smile.gif No further explanations needed I guess, so please proceed.

[elven maiden Earwen]

easy but
five stars in this land
western one I am
city and bay close to my name
the last lords son had graet fame
what star am I??

[ March 30, 2003: Message edited by: elven maiden Earwen ]

[Pallando B.C]

Númenor

[elven maiden Earwen]

close

[piosenniel]

Andustar

[elven maiden Earwen]

piosenniel you are correct

[piosenniel]

Where am I?

Wood first,
Stone succeeds,
Gleaming bronze
delays foul deeds.

Wrought iron
Bars the way;
Silver hinders
All it may.

Gold, its glimmer
Blinds the eye,
And meeting Steel
By steel you’ll die.

Portals guard,
Conceal the Way;
Yet Shadow did
Steal in and slay.

[Eruanna]

Gondolin?

[piosenniel]

Yes! The Seven Gates that guarded the Hidden Way into Gondolin'

Your turn!

[Eruanna]

OK, this is my first attempt so be gentle with me.... smilies/smile.gif

Brought from the ruined city;
We know not from whence it came.
Left by the fallen master;
Set in a place of shame.

A silver horn called us
Echoing in the sky.
Compelled by the past
And a wish for peace;
We could not deny.

Faithless we were
Yet faithful came;
Summoned to the place of shame.

Where am I?

[Faenaduial]

The Stone of Erech?

[Eruanna]

Yes, quite correct!
Your turn. smilies/smile.gif

[Faenaduial]

Sorry this took so long. It's short and easy.

Unnatural home for a natural race
Made against threat from the shadow it faced

[elven maiden Earwen]

lothlorien or mirkwood

[Beren87]

Nargothrond?

[Lyra Greenleaf]

Isengard?
Gondolin?
Minas Anor or Ithil?

[alquadae]

Tower of Cirth Ungol

[elven maiden Earwen]

mengroth??

[Faenaduial]

Earwen you are correct.

I was thinking of Thranduil's kingdom in Mirkwood.

[elven maiden Earwen]

I am the mound were there was gold
but silver is the older i am told
but shadow came one day
and that who sits apon me
hasnt shined since the first age

[piosenniel]

The Green Mound, Ezellohar, also called Corollairë - before the western gates of Valmar, where the Two Trees of Valinor grew.

[elven maiden Earwen]

correct you are so its your go.

[piosenniel]

O! See the waters break upon the prow,
Their shimmering mists leap up to limn the trees,
That mast-like stand behind its rocky bow -
No sails to move the ship to salty seas.

And let the fires burn at Amon Dîn,
Should shadow breach the way and enter in.

[alquadae]

Tol Eressa ?

[piosenniel]

Sorry . . . no

[alquadae]

Osgilath?

[Eruanna]

Minas Tirith?

[ April 08, 2003: Message edited by: Eruanna ]

[piosenniel]

Let's take the riddle apart a little:

O! See the waters break upon the prow,
Their shimmering mists leap up to limn the trees,
That mast-like stand behind its rocky bow -
No sails to move the ship to salty seas.

These lines give the definite image of a land structure shaped like a ship. The waters break against the front (prow) of the ship - their mists rising up to the trees that stand along the top of this land structure like masts. The last line of this stanza indicates it is not found in the sea.

So, we have something shaped like a ship, in fresh water (obviously a river, since the waters break against the front of it.)

Now the final clue:

And let the fires burn at Amon Dîn,
Should shadow breach the way and enter in.

Amon Dîn is the first watchtower north of Minas Anor(Tirith), used to alert Gondor to an invasion of the enemy from the north or east. This geographic structure must be near there and must be important as a defense against invasion across the river from the north and east.

So, we've got an important land mass in a river north of Minas Anor that is shaped like a ship and would be a place that Gondor would want to make sure enemies did not capture and then enter into Gondor.

[ April 08, 2003: Message edited by: piosenniel ]

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Cair Andros?

[piosenniel]

Cair Andros, it is!

Please continue.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

In 455 (First Age), at the Dagor Bragollach, Finrod Felagund found himself cut off ... with a small host. He seemed lost, but was rescued with great loss by Barahir and escaped back to Nargothrond.

Quote is from the Encyclopedia of Arda, simply because it's convenient...

Question: where does this rescue take place? What two rivers come together there?

-Sophia

[alquadae]

Fen of Serech
where the River Rivil flows into the Sirion

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

lovely... smilies/wink.gif I'm beginning to realize if I want to make it hard I'm going to have to go cryptic like Pio... smilies/biggrin.gif you guys are too good...

-Sophia

[alquadae]

Gulf of Lune,230 true
Falmari song,fortnight through
Meneltarma afar away winks to play
no time to stay this windswept day
Oh quill to me of quicken quay,
and you b-d er shall own the day.

[ April 09, 2003: Message edited by: alquadae ]

[The Saucepan Man]

Hmmm. Tricksy. smilies/confused.gif

Is it Mithlond/the Grey Havens?

[alquadae]

No sir, Admiral

[piosenniel]

Rómenna

[The Saucepan Man]

... or Alqualonde?

[alquadae]

Aqualonde//232

[piosenniel]

What does //232 signify?

[alquadae]

compass heading /or the direction of

[ April 09, 2003: Message edited by: alquadae ]

[alquadae]

Arghhh me lubbers,tis as plain as the mizzen on me mast!!! We are in the Gulf of Lune our compass heading is 230 degrees, any map or chart has vertical lines on it , o degrees or north ,180 degrees ,south,horizontal lines are 90 degrees east 270 degrees, west.
Falmari song, sometimes a sailors life is refered to as a song. fortnight through,the trip,two weeks plus.
The course runs close enough to see Meneltarma on Numenor. Frictions aside,we make for Tol Eressa.Quicken/vitalize or renew.quay/a wharf . open forum go ahead!

[ April 10, 2003: Message edited by: alquadae ]

[The Saucepan Man]

Would that be Avallone, then?

[alquadae]

Aye 'tis what we make for swabbie

[elven maiden Earwen]

hola, anyone going to post

[The Saucepan Man]

Oops! That'll be me, then. Sorry. smilies/smile.gif

Scramble along the Ered Tatagoras from Drenville towards Tol Mindh for 110 miles.

Where are you?

[Annunfuiniel]

And what a scramble that is! smilies/wink.gif Ok, if you stroll from Rivendell along the Great East Road towards Mithlond for 110 miles you should get somewhere near the Last Bridge.
Oh, wish I was already there! Long road ahead...(see my From:!) smilies/smile.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

Ah, Annunfuiniel, no cryptic clue gets past you. smilies/smile.gif

Please proceed ...

[Annunfuiniel]

Hannon le, Saucepan Man! smilies/smile.gif
I'll proceed later this week, I'm on extended Easter holiday and don't have my books with me... So please, have patience. smilies/smile.gif

[Annunfuiniel]

And here I finally am: Home sweet home! smilies/smile.gif
Ok, here's the next riddle:

A place of sight
a few there were like
guess which one am I

Elven roots
eye of men
a path to past
now blind again.

Can you tell my brains are still on vacation? smilies/wink.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

A place of sight
a few there were like- Resting place of a Palantir?
guess which one am I

Elven roots -One built by Gil-Galad?
eye of men -And used by Elendil?
a path to past -A palantir that looked over the sea?
now blind again. -but has now been taken there?

My guess is Elostirion, the tallest of the Towers of Emyn Beriad.

Sophia

[Annunfuiniel]

Perfect reasoning for perfect answer; I have nothing to add except please carry on, Sophia. smilies/smile.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

ok... here goes:

Tall I was once,
and home of The Tall
Small I am now,
No longer a home of battles
Only birds live here now
And the sad sigh of waters

yuck, no rhyme at all, I'm terrible at making these up.

Sophia

[Annunfuiniel]

It could be Himring, the hill where Maedhros' fortress stood (which obviously was tall, and Tall is also Maedhros' nickname). After the drowning of Beleriand it became considerably smaller in stature and was renamed Himling (an island where the "sigh of waters" is always present).

[The Saucepan Man]

OK, I'll go for Meneltarma which, being the Pillar of the Heavens and the tallest Mountain of Numenor (island of the tall Men), was certainly once tall. Following the Downfall, it too became considerably shorter.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Himring/Himling it was! smilies/smile.gif Maedhros the Tall was supposed to be the clue (and battles, I don't recall much battling on the Meneltarma), although, Saucepan Man, as always, your solution works nicely. smilies/wink.gif Carry on Annunfuiniel

Sophia

[ April 27, 2003: Message edited by: Sophia the Thunder Mistress ]

[Annunfuiniel]

Thanks, Sophia!
Hmm, I don't seem to rhyme today smilies/wink.gif so this next task will come out in prose for a change:
give the route through which the sweet galenas came to the Shire.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

it was, I suspect, originally brought over Sea by the men of Westernesse. It grows abundantly in Gondor, and there is richer and larger than in the North, where it is never found wild, and flourishes only in warm sheltered places like Longbottom. The men of Gondor call it sweet galenas and esteem it only for the fragrance of its flowers. From that land it must have been carried up the Greenway during the long centuries between the coming of Elendil and our own days. But even the Dunedain of Gondor allow us this credit: Hobbits first put it into pipes. Not even the Wizards first thought of that before we did. Though one Wizard that I knew took up the art long ago, and became as skilful in it as in all other things that he put his mind to. (Prologue to LOTR)

Found it! smilies/smile.gif

Sophia

[Annunfuiniel]

Well, well found, Sophia! smilies/biggrin.gif
And thank you for that quote; I still don't hold an English copy of the books so at the moment I'm collecting all the quotes I can find from here... *copies and pastes* smilies/rolleyes.gif smilies/wink.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

What was the name of the river that ran through the valley where Feanor's house, Formenos, stood?

[piosenniel]

The River Híri.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

That wasn't the name I was looking for...

[piosenniel]

Let me try this:

Sirnúmen

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

That's it smilies/biggrin.gif

[piosenniel]

A forest there was, that held the ancient tomb of Elendil: it's name, pray tell.

[Estanesse]

Firien Wood

[piosenniel]

Your turn! Carry on!

[Estanesse]

In the Land of the free
wide and far,
Big meets little,
Side on side
splendour and might hold with pride,

Behold a wonder some parts actually rhyme smilies/biggrin.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Bree perhaps? where hobbits and big-folk lived together?

[Estanesse]

Nope, sorry

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Alright, lets try again. This one much more thoroughly considered. The Gap of Maglor: it's a wide gap between Big and Little Gelion, defense of it keeps the free lands free, and the defenders are splendid and proud, being the Sons of Feanor.

Sophia

[Estanesse]

No that’s not it. but you are in the right continent

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Ach! This is driving me Bonkers! Just a small hint? smilies/smile.gif

[Estanesse]

In the Land of the free
wide and far,
Big meets little,
Side on side
splendour and might hold with pride,

Hint: there is only one big and there are more than one little

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Amon Rudh where Turin met the Petty Dwarves?

[Estanesse]

No that's not it

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Emyn Beriad- There are several towers, of which Elostirion is chief?

[Estanesse]

It seems to fit but it is not what I had in mind.
Hint: big is very big but not high

[Lindolirian]

River Gelion and its six tributaries in Ossiriand. It's big, but not high, there's only one big and many littles, and it's in a free land that is wide and far

[Estanesse]

Your right, it is a river but Gelion is not the right river, sorry.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Sirion, then? It's the other very important river in Beleriand.

[Estanesse]

Sirion is the big but that is not the entire answer
I know it is lame of me, but could you please give the whole answer. smilies/biggrin.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

I would guess that you means Sirion and Narog, where Nargothrond was holding splendid and pridefully...

But Mindeb, Esgalduin, Teiglin, and Aros all flow into Sirion.

Sophia

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Estanesse?

[Estanesse]

Sorry for this late reply. Your right about Sirion and the other smaller rivers but Nargothrond is not correct still your close enough
The whole answer I had in mind was:

In the Land of the free
wide and far,- Beleriand

Big meets little,- Sirion the great river, the little are Esgalduin, Teiglin, and Aros

Side on side
splendor and might hold with pride,- Doriath

please carry on Sophia, smilies/smile.gif

[ June 06, 2003: Message edited by: Estanesse ]

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Alright, after much delay, here is the next question:

The inland sea,
The reaching arm,
The Gates of Stone,
The Water-Town,
The Elfking's Halls,
The Water Dim,
The hills of Stone,
The Mountain Grim,
Atop the spine,
I am the head,
but followed down,
Where am I led?

Sophia

[Estanesse]

I'm not sure but is the answer Isengard

The inland sea, (Sea of Nurnen)
The reaching arm, (Barad Dûr)
The Gates of Stone,(morannon)
The Water-Town, (dale)
The Elfking's Halls,(the Elvenking’s halls)
The Water Dim,(forest river)
The hills of Stone,(Grey mountains?)
The Mountain Grim,(misty mountains)
Atop the spine,(Methedras)
I am the head,( Orthanc)
but followed down,
Where am I led? (Isengard?)

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Not correct, Estanesse, but the right idea. What I want is the path of a journey, from the correct beginning, through the correct places to the correct ending. smilies/smile.gif I think I just broke a record on the number of times one can use "correct" in a post correctly (ooh, bad joke).

Sophia

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, I think that we could all do with another little hint here, Sophia. smilies/wink.gif

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

The Sea of Rhun (The inland sea)
The Gates of Argonath (The reaching arm)
Minas Tirith (The Gates of Stone)
Dale/Lake-town (The Water-Town)
Thranduil's caves in Mirkwood (The Elfking's Halls)
The Enchanted River (The Water Dim)
Misty Mountains OR The Carrack (The hills of Stone)
Mount Gundabad (The Mountain Grim)
Head of the 'spine' of the Hithaeglir (Atop the spine)
See above (I am the head)
Followed down the line of Mountains OR down into Eriador (but followed down)
Where am I led? = Rohan OR Eriador

Alternatively,

Caradhras/Fanuidhol the Grey Mountain (The Mountain Grim)
On top of the Mountains (Atop the spine)
On the peak of Cradhras/Fanuidhol -- Cloudy'head' mountain (I am the head)
Down the Redhorn pass/High pass (but followed down)
Where am I led? = Eriador/Rivendell

Hmm I would say that the first version is my best guess.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

ok, hint:

Look at a map of ME... the places should make a recognizable path. The reaching arm is figurative, the map should help. In one place there's a slight backtrack, due to rhyme... (somewhere around the watertown).

The Mountain Grim is the head atop the spine, the place you're led is a specific feature, not a wide area (eg, a named mountain or valley).

Argh, this isn't a very good question, sorry guys smilies/frown.gif.

Sophia

[elven maiden Earwen]

Wait are we in the third age or could we be in the first age?

The Sea of Nurnen (The inland sea)
Bar-adur (The reaching arm)
Morannon (The Gates of Stone)
Lake-town (The Water-Town)
Thranduil's caves in Mirkwood (The elfking's Halls)
The Enchanted River or are we back to Esgorgoth(The Water Dim)
Iron Hills(The hills of Stone)
Eberor(The Mountain Grim)
and thats the far as I get. And I at all close.

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Perhaps you could let us know, Sophia, how much of the quesion we have guessed rightly so far?

[The Saucepan Man]

OK I've puzzled over this for some time now and stared endlessly at maps of ME, and this is still all that I can come up with:

The inland sea, - Start at the Sea of Rhun
The reaching arm, - Follow the course of the River Running
The Gates of Stone, - To the Gates of Erebor
The Water-Town, - Back past Lake-Town
The Elfking's Halls, - Follow the Forest River past Thranduil's Palace
The Water Dim, - And past the Enchanted River
The hills of Stone, - To Ered Mithrin, the Grey Mountains
The Mountain Grim, - Arriving at Mount Gundabad
Atop the spine,
I am the head,
but followed down, - Follow the Mountains of Angmar
Where am I led? To Carn Dum?

So, is it Carn Dum?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Saucepan, you're amazing. *bows*

That's perfect. Just as I was berating myself for setting an impossible question. smilies/wink.gif

Sophia

[The Saucepan Man]

Great question, Sophia. smilies/smile.gif

In fact, so good that I'm going to 'borrow' your format for the next one. smilies/wink.gif

Your journey starts at the war-torn front,
A fortress built to bear the brunt;
Follow the course of the diminutive one,
Joining her sister whose journey is long;
Turn off at the crossing of many stones;
Across the land where the first made their homes;
Then follow the water that falls, on your right
You will see the vale of twilight light;
And then you will find you are back where you started,
Now standing alone, all companions departed.

Like Sophia's question, the rhyme describes a journey. I'm looking for the start/finish point and each of the places/features that make up the journey.

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

If I win, I'll do something different smilies/smile.gif.

Start at the Pellenor Fields around Minas Tirith -- 'War-torn front'
Past Minas Tirith -- 'fortress... to bear the brunt'
Following the small river Erui -- 'diminutive one'
Join the Anduin -- 'sister whose course is long'
Turn around at Pelargir -- 'crossing of stones, where the first made their homes'
Follow the Anduin back up again past Rauros -- 'water that falls on your right'
Until you reeach the river Limlight -- 'vale of twilight light'
Er, take a boat back down Anduin and get off at Osgiliath again. Ta-da -- no I don't think this is entirely right somehow.

[The Saucepan Man]

Nope, Gwaihir, that's not it I'm afraid. If you follow the route, it will definately take you back to your starting point.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Alright Saucepan, I can't make this work quite to my satisfaction, but I'll give it a shot, in the hopes that you'll tell me I'm in the right area smilies/wink.gif.

Your journey starts at the war-torn front,
A fortress built to bear the brunt;- Himring which guarded the March of Maedhros
Follow the course of the diminutive one,- Little Gelion
Joining her sister whose journey is long;- Greater Gelion
Turn off at the crossing of many stones;- Sarn Athrad
Across the land where the first made their homes;- this is where things get sticky. I find myself in Nan Emloth, which is possibly where the first of the Sindar (Elwe and Melian) met, but I really want to say Ladros, where the first house of the Edain dwelt... in the right vicinity, but it doesn't quite work.
Then follow the water that falls, on your right- follow Celon upstream
You will see the vale of twilight light;- Couldn't find that one smilies/tongue.gif
And then you will find you are back where you started,
Now standing alone, all companions departed.- the source of the Celon is near Himring...

Missing a few links, but am I near?

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, I think you should have it Sophia as you got the right route and almost all of the locations. The missing ones were:

Across the land where the first made their homes; - Across Estolad, where the first of the Edain to come to Beleriand settled.

You will see the vale of twilight light; - This was Nan-Elmoth, meaning Star-Dusk Valley, which you pass on your right as you follow the Celon upstream.

Please proceed. smilies/smile.gif

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Hmm I can see I'm going to have to pore over a few maps before I try to answer one of these again.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Frozen in time, the solid water;
Lost a wife and kept a daughter.
Along the shore a journey long,
But settled now, near ocean song;
I dare not stay, must safety find,
Yet still I linger, where am I?

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

I believe you are in Vinyamar, and that you are Turgon son of Fingolfin. The 'solid water' is the Helcaraxe; Turgon did lose his wife, although his daughter survived, in this crossing; they marched along the shore to get there; built Vinyamar, near the sea, although they soon had to leave for Gondolin and safety.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

That is it indeed, Gwaihir! smilies/wink.gif

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Ah, how satisfying. smilies/smile.gif *cracks knuckles* Ok, a short riddle; try and guess the place from it.

Water crashing endlessly
Dark shores that huddle under;
That bears a lightless memory
That once set of the Valar's thunder.

Tell me if it's too hard and I'll give you a clue ok? I believe I've made it do-able, but then I never am a very good judge of this. smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Lindolirian]

Cuivienen.

Water crashing endlessly
Dark shores that huddle under; (The star lit bay)
That bears a lightless memory
That once set of the Valar's thunder. (Orome)

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Good thinking, lindo, I think I'll give it to you. The other answer I would have accepted is Avathar; the darkness coming from Ungoliant's inhabitance there, and the thunder of the feet Tulkas in the hunt for the fugitive Morgoth the answer to the last line.

But, as Cuivenen is equally viable here, you may proceed.

[ August 02, 2003: Message edited by: Gwaihir the Windlord ]

[Lindolirian]

Thanks. Well, I'm gonna be gone for a little while, so I'm gonna hafta give this thread up to who ever wants it.

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Ok, I'll ask another (easy) one.

Name two gates in Middle-Earth through which flowed a stream or river of water.

[Tulkas the Mighty]

The Front Gate of the Lonely Mountain and the Gate of the Noldor.

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Excellent, your turn.

[Tulkas the Mighty]

Where was the Camp of the Faithful?

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Amon Rûdh.

[Lindolirian]

It's been more than ten days and I want to keep this theead alive.
What road crosses the Odothui?

[alquadae]

The Greenway [North road] meets the Old South Road at Tharbad which crosses Odothui.

[Lindolirian]

Right you are! Go ahead!

[alquadae]

Having computer problems ,please carry on

[THE-THING-IN-THE-DARK]

A Helta Ar Caita Caimanna! smilies/tongue.gif

[Estanesse]

The answer is NO. smilies/evil.gif

Question:

The Noldor had a secret gate, Tell me were the location is of this gate.

[Lindolirian]

The Annon-in-Gelyhd was in the western hills of Dor-Lómin and lead to the Cirith Ninniach.

[ October 12, 2003: Message edited by: Lindolirian ]

[Estanesse]

Excellent answer Lindo.

[Lindolirian]

Sorry it took so long. I've been away for quite some time.

Start at Calembel and follow the road south to the River Gilrain. Follow the River Serni North and stop before you reach River Celos. What is the name of the land you end up in? (specifically)

[NightKnight]

Lebennin?

[Lindolirian]

Nice!

[NightKnight]

What village was at the mouth of the river Siril?

[Lindolirian]

Nindamos of Hyarrostar.

[NightKnight]

That's right, please continue.

[Lindolirian]

What river flows from Lanthir Lamath?

[NightKnight]

That would be Adurant, no?

[Lindolirian]

Yes.

[NightKnight]

What was the name among the rohirrim for Lothlorien?

[Telchar]

Dwimordene

[NightKnight]

That's right, please continue. smilies/smile.gif

[Telchar]

Name the village of the Shire that was furtherst to the south and the one furtherst to the north!

[Lindolirian]

The southern-most village of the Shire is Sackville and the nothern-most is Greenfields.

[Telchar]

Correct smilies/smile.gif

[Lindolirian]

Describe the location of Ravenhill.

[Arestevana]

Ravenhill is at the southwest corner of the lonley mountain, about five hours march from the Front Gate. From the gate a road goes along the left edge of the stream, then to a bridge and steep stairs, from which a path leads up to the hill and the watch post on top. Good enough? smilies/wink.gif

[Lindolirian]

That's it. Nice work!

[Arestevana]

Thank you Lindolirian.

Next Question...
Describe the (useable) approach to Henneth Anun, and name the only other exit of the refuge there.

[Lindolirian]

There is a stream that runs from Ephel Duath to Anduin and at one point, it drops in a waterfall. There used to be another inlet of water that went underground and spilled out a cave that opened halfway down the cliff, but the Gondorians sealed this off, thus forcing all of the water to go over the falls on top. They had cut an entrance into the cave from the ground above the cliff. These stairs led into the hollow area that the original falls came out of. The only other exit was to dive out of the opening, thought the falls and into the basin far below.

[Arestevana]

Perfect! Please continue. smilies/smile.gif

[Lindolirian]

Measure the distance in miles from Halifirien to Eilenach. Multiply that number by two. This new number of miles will be known as n. Travel n miles south by southwest from the peak of Cloudyhead. Name the previous owner of this place.

[Telchar]

My guess is the the place your're looking for is Angrenost or Isengard - Previous owner would be either The Kings of Gondor or Beren who surrendered the keys to Saruman or Saruman himself according to which point in time you're asking the question.

[Lindolirian]

Ah, so my hastily measured distances were understood. Right on, Telchar smilies/biggrin.gif

[Telchar]

Take the distance, in a direct line, from 'The Last Bridge' to Isengard. Then take that distance from Minas Tirith and go West by North West - An event took place here... four days after that event something happend to Frodo - What?

[Lindolirian]

The event was the Battle of the Hornburg at Helm's Deep and four days later, Frodo was taken by Faramir to Henneth Annûn.

[Telchar]

Very good - go on.

[Lindolirian]

Trace the travels of the One Ring from creation to destruction.

By the way, don't worry about getting too in depth during the Journey with Frodo. I think thats just about a given. smilies/wink.gif

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 8:08 PM December 09, 2003: Message edited by: Lindolirian ]

[Telchar]

Created in Sammath Naur c. SA1600 -> We must assume Sauron wore it at all times from that time untill he lost it. That means that it was with him at his campain against Eriador, later he brought it to Numenor, and we do not need to bother with how a spirit carries it with him back to Mordor smilies/wink.gif, where he wore it in the Battle of the Last Alliance, where it was cut from his finger by Isildur.

Isildur brought it first to Minas Anor where he instructed his nephew Meneldil, and wrote a scroll conserning the One Ring. One year later on his way to Rivendell and later Arnor, Isildur, with his company and The Ring was ambushed near the Gladden Fields by orcs from the Misty Mountains. Isildur trying to escape swam the Anduin, The Ring slipped from his finger and was lost in the river.

C 2500 years later The One Ring was found by Deagol, who was murdered by his cousin Smeagol, who stole The Ring. Smeagol, untill he was shunned lived in a small village of Stores, somewath north of The Gladden. Being shunned Smeagol hid himself under the Misty Mountains where he stayed untill he met Bilbo in TA 2941.

Bilbo, by chance, found The Ring, brought it with him on his journey through Mirkwood to Erebor - and the same way back, over the mountains, to Rivendell and then to the Shire, where The Ring stayed for the next 67 years till Frodo set out.

The Ring, on it's final journey went this way: Hobbiton -> Buckland -> The Old Forrest -> The house of Tom Bombadil -> The Barrow Downs -> The Pranching Pony in Bree -> Around Chetwood -> through the Midgewater Marshes -> Amon Sul -> Rivendell -> Hollin -> Moria -> Lorien -> Parth Galen -> Emyn Muil -> The Dead Marshes -> Within sight of the Morannon -> Ithillien -> Henneth Annûn -> The Cross Roads -> Torech Ungol -> Tower of Cirith Ungol -> Morgai -> Carach Angren -> Mount Doom -> Sammath Naur - The END...

Phewwww.... Sorry about the hastyness in typing...

[Lindolirian]

Awesome.

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[Telchar]

Give another name for "The Far Downs"

[Lindolirian]

The Fox Downs

[Telchar]

correct... smilies/smile.gif

[Lindolirian]

In between what mountain ranges was the Athraid Angren?

[Telchar]

Between White and Mist...

[Lindolirian]

Right on...

[Telchar]

What was th e name of the land between the River Angren and River Gwathlo?

[Lindolirian]

The Enedwaith, which includes Dunland.

[Telchar]

Enedwaith would have been enough for me smilies/smile.gif

[Lindolirian]

HOW FAR IS IT FROM THE TOWER OF CIRITH UNGOL TO ORODRUIN???

A little fun for the movie makers... Did anybody else notice that when Frodo and Sam first saw it that it looked like it was about a mile maybe mile and a half away?

[Telchar]

‘I parted with them in the morning two days ago,’ said Faramir. ‘It is fifteen leagues thence to the vale of the Morgulduin, if they went straight south; and then they would be still five leagues westward of the accursed Tower.


Using this as reference I would say that the distance was roughly 15-18 leagues...
On maps the distance looks more or less the same.

[Lindolirian]

Of course... Unfortunately, PJ woulda gotten that one wrong. smilies/biggrin.gif

[Telchar]

Name as many places that was besieged - short sieges counts too - I think you'll need more than 8 to get it smilies/wink.gif

[NightKnight]

Hornburg, Angband, Minas Tirith, Barad-Dur, Brithombar, Eglarest, Gondolin, Amon Sul...that's eight. smilies/smile.gif

[Telchar]

8 is good ;o) go on...

[NightKnight]

Name two places where Ithildin was used.

[Mariska Greenleaf]

On the doors of Durin, and on Thrors' Map, althought that last one isn't exactly a "place"... Maybe you're looking for something else?

[NightKnight]

That was actually what I was looking for, so please go on. smilies/smile.gif

[Mariska Greenleaf]

allright then...

What marked the most southern point of Gondor?

[NightKnight]

Umbar?

[Heni]

Should be Umbar yes...but maybe he was referring to Harad?

[Mariska Greenleaf]

That's not the answer I'm looking for...

[Lord of Angmar]

This one is tricky, but I shall take a stab at it: Assuming we mark South Gondor as part of the nation of Gondor, and assuming that Near Harad is not considered part of Gondor after the War of the Ring, then the southermost point would probably be the River Harnen.

[Heni]

That was clever! I thought of Anduin, since I didn`t knew if Southern Gondor belonged to the Kingdom of Gondor anymore. Harnen on the other side sounds more resonable.

[Mariska Greenleaf]

These are very good guesses, but still not the answer I'm looking for...

I'm not looking for a river.
Huge hint: Bay of Belfalas.
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[Telchar]

maybe the southern cape of Tol Falas

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Absolutely right! smilies/wink.gif

[Lindolirian]

Telchar, you're up!

[The Saucepan Man]

Thread closed due to length. Please feel free to start a new one if you want to keep the game going. Anyone can ask a new question.

[Lindolirian]

A new geography thread! Same as the last... Ask place names, distances, and really obscure stuff on Middle Earth geography, etc...

Where was Gar Lossion?

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 9:01 AM February 02, 2004: Message edited by: Lindolirian ]

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Also known as the "Place of Flowers".
It's the region at the centre of Tol-Eressëa, the lonely isle of the Elves of Aman.

[Lindolirian]

Nice.

[NightKnight]

*Bump*

[Lindolirian]

NightKnight, since you seem enthusiastic go ahead and take it, that is unless Mariska comes back just in time.

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Ha, I'm back!
And with a new question:

Where is Amon Gwareth, and what was build on it?

[Miriel]

It was the hill in the valley of Tumladen, within the Encircling Mountains, on which Gondolin was built.

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Needless to say this answer is perfectly correct!;)

[Miriel]

Thanks. :)

What, and where, was the dragons’ breeding-ground?

[Lindolirian]

The Withered Heath at the eastern end of the Grey Mountains, north of Erebor and the Iron Hills.

[Miriel]

Great, please continue.

[Lindolirian]

Next to what river were the Caves of Rodothlim, as they were once called?

[Iaurhirwen]

As the Caves of Rodothlim were the precursers of Nargothrond, then they would be situated next to the River Narog.:)

[Lindolirian]

Correct!

[Iaurhirwen]

Ok, this game is about geography, right? ;)

According to a map depicting the world in V.Y. 500, what are the names of the mountain chains that run to the Númen and the Róman of two great inland bodies of water, and additionally what are the names of the above bodies of water?

[Lindolirian]

Blue, Red, Yellow and Grey Mountains were west and east of Helkar and Ringol.

[Iaurhirwen]

Correct. Your turn.

[Lindolirian]

Take the distance from Hobbiton to Bree and add about 10 miles. Go that distance starting at the gravesite of Morwen's great-uncle to the west-south-west. What two rivers begin here?

[Nirvana II]

the Isen and the........i dunno


Nirvana II:smokin:

[luthien-elvenprincess]

River Malduin and River Teiglin?

[Lindolirian]

Nirvana... way off.
Luthien... You might be thinking of the wrong great uncle... just for clarification (since this is, after all, a geography thread) I'll tell you you it's Barahir's grave site.
Edit: Shoot! On the other hand you may have been folowing my bad directions. I said west, but meant east. :eek: Sorry for the confusion, I'll give it to you since those would be the rivers in the western direction. You're up!

[Nirvana II]

humph.....oh yeah the isen starts in dunland....my mistake
ill be watching you *Nirvana II turns into the Eye of Sauron for a moment*

Nirvana II:smokin:

[luthien-elvenprincess]

What and where was the Rainy Stair?

[Mariska Greenleaf]

The Rainy Stair, also known as Dimrost, was a cascading waterfall on the stream of Celebros, where it flowed down into the River Teiglin on the borders of Brethil.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

That is perfect, Mariska. Your turn.:)

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Thanks!

What and where is Morgulduin?

[NightKnight]

The valley in which Minas Morgul was located.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Morgulduin is the name of the river that flows through Imlad Morgul.

[NightKnight]

Stupid me! I got Morgulduin and Imlad Morgul mixed up! *Hits self with large stick*

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Yep, Luthien has it.

[luthien-elvenprincess]

What is the perimeter of Pelennor Fields. Distance and name

[alaklondewen]

The outer-wall that surrounded the Pelennor fields was called the Rammas Echor. I hope this is what you're looking for:

For ten leagues or more it ran from the mountains' feet and so back again, enclosing in its fence the fields of the Pelennor:

[luthien-elvenprincess]

Correct...Rammas Echor and more than 10 leagues long.
Congrats..your turn.;)

[alaklondewen]

Thank you, luthien-elvenprincess. :)

Now, which river flows into the Isen at Enedwaith?

[NightKnight]

Adorn?

[alaklondewen]

That's the one, KnightNight. Well Done.

[NightKnight]

Thanks. :)

Name the seven rivers of Ossiriand.

[symestreem]

Ascar, Thalos, Legolin, Brilthor, Duilwen, Adurant, and Gelion.

[NightKnight]

That's right. Your turn. :)

[symestreem]

Name a non-moving body of water in Turgon's realm.

[Lindolirian]

Linaewen in Nevrast.

[NightKnight]

Eh...the great fountain that Ecthelion and Gothmog fell in?

[symestreem]

Lindolirian got it, but NightKnight gets points for creativity, although a fountain is technically moving.

[NightKnight]

Yay! Points for me! :D

[Lindolirian]

Hahaha... Good one NightKnight! :)

What two rivers is the Forest of the Hunters in between?

[NightKnight]

Sirion and Gelion?

[luthien-elvenprincess]

The River Narog and the River Nenning

[Lindolirian]

That's it, Luthien!

[luthien-elvenprincess]

OK...
If you wanted to take a baby present to Dior Eluchil, but you lived in Caranthir's Land; on which rivers would you have to paddle order to get there?

[NightKnight]

You would have to paddle down Gelion and then turn left on Adurant. :)