Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLVII: Dueling Wizards Werewolf II

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

What. makes. the. phantom. appear. cobblerish?

Good then. Because in that case I already answered you and I don't need to bother with that anymore. If it does not suffice it is your problem. Besides, in that post where I mentioned Eddie Murphy I elaborated on that quite a lot.

Now let's leave my slightly deaf-becoming uncle and go on with something more concrete.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Sally

I think it'll be a lot easier to find the EW in a couple days (sooner, if possible, but I don't think that's likely) and concentrate on finding wolves for now, as it'll be easier to find the EW once we see her style of wolf-picking.

This is one statement I agree with.

Something about Mac's "likes and dislikes" made me raise an eyebrow, but I lost the quote. I'll go back and find it.

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Now let's leave my slightly deaf-becoming uncle and go on with something more concrete.

Not just yet, although I do agree that you've been on that tp-Cobbler thing for much too long. I pretty much agree that he is Cobbler-like, quite useless and probably one who won't become any clearer as the game advances. Argh. I wouldn't put it past him that he's Wolf, even in a situation like this.
Anyway, what do you mean by this:

LG, Volo, eventually Gwath... still those who figure upper on my list. Now even there are their interactions, which are really interesting "in-group", but then, do the Wolves know each other or don't they? And even if they do, would they interact so? And even if they don't know, what would such interaction mean?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Found it.

Originally Posted by Mac

Like: Aganzir, Kitanna, phantom, morm

Some like: Volo, Ka, Sally, Isabellkya, Lommy, Durelin

Only a little like: Lhuna, A Little Green

Not very much like: Shasta (shady agreement with Roa), Cailin (really not sure what to make of her list), Legate

No like: Roa (what I said earlier, plus a simple very bad hunch I got from her last post)

Really not sure: Brinniel, Lalaith, Gwath, Rikae, Celuien, Kath

Still asleep: Nilp, Eonwe, Diamond, Nerwen, McCaber.

I don't know how much help this is, since we've apparently moved on from this topic, but it seems to me, reading back, that the main advocates for searching for wolves versus searching for the EW were Roa, myself, Lhuna, Brinn, and Cailin. The ones advocating searching for the EW were Phantom, morm, and Gwath. Looking at Mac's list, it seems to me that he is quietly suspicious of everyone who wanted to look for the wolves first; "Only a little like" (Lhuna), "Not very much like" (me, Cailin), "No like" (Roa), "Really not sure" (Brinn).

[Isabellkya]

I dare say that you are looking to be the most cowardly of us all, phantom.
Though cowardly isn't quite the word I want, sheepish and fatalist came to me as well - but neither quite fit either.

You seem to be continually mentioning/thinking that based upon one or two circumstances, could possibly and will resign us to a dooming fate - within the first few Days of the game. Rather than focusing on such such things, maybe it would be a good idea to actively hunt for the wolves. hmm?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Izzy

I dare say that you are looking to be the most cowardly of us all, phantom.
Though cowardly isn't quite the word I want, sheepish and fatalist came to me as well - but neither quite fit either.

Fatalistic is a good word, sister mine. :P

[Celuien]

Must run quickly - lots of things to do.

I like tp just now in my quick analysis. Seems sensible.

Also, I tend to fall more towards trying to find the wizard before wolves category - priority is towards stabilizing the population because otherwise the supply of new wolves is endless. How to do this, in answer to someone's question above (I forget whose), is trickier, but I hope that a combination of scrying and seering would help with it. Otherwise, I don't really know. Of course, if there's 'obvious' wolvishness (whatever that may mean in a power structure like this) it should be acted upon.

And now for a more or less random vote...

++Izzy

[Macalaure]

I skimmed the thread again and found disappointingly little. It's getting too late here to effectively read or think... Among those that have escaped me so far, all I noticed is that Brinniel stated the more or less obvious a little too much.

Rikae has joined the ranks of those who want to go after werewolves and not the EW, which makes her slightly suspicious, at least from my point of view.

Other than that, my suspects remain Roa, Legate, and Shasta, but I seem to be alone with it, which is discouraging.

I think better of Cailín.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I don't know how much help this is, since we've apparently moved on from this topic, but it seems to me, reading back, that the main advocates for searching for wolves versus searching for the EW were Roa, myself, Lhuna, Brinn, and Cailin. The ones advocating searching for the EW were Phantom, morm, and Gwath. Looking at Mac's list, it seems to me that he is quietly suspicious of everyone who wanted to look for the wolves first; "Only a little like" (Lhuna), "Not very much like" (me, Cailin), "No like" (Roa), "Really not sure" (Brinn).

You're absolutely right there. I do think it's suspicious to favour lynching werewolves over outing the EW. Killing a wolf is excellent, outing the EW is crucial. Anyway, it was not just the opinion by itself which made me suspicious of those, but also the way it was delivered. Actually, that list itself was of very little help back then - I made it mostly to make up my own mind.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Mac

You're absolutely right there. I do think it's suspicious to favour lynching werewolves over outing the EW. Killing a wolf is excellent, outing the EW is crucial. Anyway, it was not just the opinion by itself which made me suspicious of those, but also the way it was delivered. Actually, that list itself was of very little help back then - I made it mostly to make up my own mind.

Why? I agree that there's no reason we shouldn't keep an eye out for the EW, but even if we were to find her on Day 1, there's nothing we could do about it until Day 4. By then, assuming we haven't found one wolf, there could be many as six WWs about (depending on how lucky the GW is with her scrying). It seems like it would be more important to search mainly for wolves in order to keep their numbers down until the EW becomes vulnerable.

[the phantom]

The voting so far-

morm for Brin
Sally for tp
Gwath for Sally
Kit for morm
Nerwen for Cailin
Roa for tp
Cel for Izzy

tp- 2
Brin- 1
Sally- 1
morm- 1
Cailin- 1
Izzy- 1

I'm winning! I'm winning! I'm... oh... *frowns*

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

The voting so far-

morm for Brin
Sally for tp
Gwath for Sally
Kit for morm
Nerwen for Cailin
Roa for tp
Cel for Izzy

tp- 2
Brin- 1
Sally- 1
morm- 1
Cailin- 1
Izzy- 1

I'm winning! I'm winning! I'm... oh... *frowns*

You read my mind! I was just scrolling down and thinking "My, how nice it would be if there was a vote tally!" Thanks Phantom!


Okay, that's about all I've really got time for. I'm going to look at stuff real quick and see what I've got to add in the next....erm....like two minutes. *hates her lack of participation*

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I have an interpretation! I have an interpretation!
Wolves are afraid of coming across as jumpy and defensive so they try to answer accusations with as little effort as possible. Then their explanations don't really make sense so they're forced to explain the same things over and over again.
It quite looks like that in Legate's replies to Mac.

Aganzir, I love you! If I wasn't taken already, I'd be in line with your suitors. That's what I've been thinking all along. Thank you for putting it into clearer words.

Originally Posted by Shasta

even if we were to find her on Day 1, there's nothing we could do about it until Day 4.

True, but if we haven't found him by Day 4, we're in an uncomfortable situation. By the way, I'm not saying we should neglect werewolves - all baddies are equally important. But this discussion is becoming more and more uninteresting.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Volo

Not just yet, although I do agree that you've been on that tp-Cobbler thing for much too long. I pretty much agree that he is Cobbler-like, quite useless and probably one who won't become any clearer as the game advances. Argh. I wouldn't put it past him that he's Wolf, even in a situation like this.
Anyway, what do you mean by this:

Eee, Volo, I only hope one answer would be sufficient for you, okay? Anyway, I don't have much other to comment on, so I can give it a little time. But just a little, mind you.

I find you folks somewhat suspicious, as I said already in my, I believe, it was my first post at all. Here, I say that this suspicion continues, and what I had in mind by the interaction is mainly the start of page 3 where there was some discussion around that "We wolves" typo (? ) of yours, Greenie took part in it, and then you suspected her. It was just kind of a "chat" you had there, it seemed... I don't know, odd, the way you treated each other. Actually, seeing that from current perspective it does not seem that odd anymore. Anyway, to finish it, back then, in the end of the quote of mine, I relativised it again, raising questions which I don't have answers to and which I am not even sure about they have any answers - what could this interaction mean in the case you were or were not wolves and if that even were possible for you to be wolves and know each other etc. That would be it, probably.

Btw, when I am at it: what I don't like about you the most was your post #55 (the one where you had all these boldened words like "madness" and "dangerous") and the overall tone of it didn't seem to me like your normal self.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

But what s/he might do, I think, is give them a shortlist of non-evil team people to frame for lynching, in order to stop them killing each other by mistake.

I think this sounds plausible.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

This looks a bit odd. Slandering (well, thats a bit of a harsh word, but still, you get the point-perhaps scold is a better word) Sally for voting phantom and then voting for him yourself. And yu also didn't give a reason.

Not really. It's possible that both sally and phantom are wolves; that wouldn't stop them from voting each other - especially in a game where the wolves don't know one another by default (but in some games wolves also vote for each other intentionally).
Roa pretty much gave reasons in her earlier posts, whereas sally's vote came rather out of the blue.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

I also find THE Ka a bit suspicious, she's not really saying much, and doesn't seem suspicious- but that just makes her more suspicious to me. I have a feeling that she's hiding something.

The only strange thing I see about her is that I'm used to her being, hmm, happier and crazier. But I don't think she's really suspicious now.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Eee, Volo, I only hope one answer would be sufficient for you, okay?

I have an interpretation! I have an interpretation!
Wolves are afraid of coming across as jumpy and defensive so they try to answer accusations with as little effort as possible. Then their explanations don't really make sense so they're forced to explain the same things over and over again.
It quite looks like that in Legate's replies to Mac.

I don't really know yet who I will vote. Legate or sally (), or Brinniel, Cailín or Gwath. Phantom amuses me so I'd rather keep him alive.

edit: xed with Shasta, Mac & Celuien