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Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-06-2009, 04:21 PM

All right, Kent actually posted just a little, so it was possible to go through all of his posts relatively fast...

Day 1
#12 - In-character.
#16 - In-character. That deal offering that's been discussed a bit here.
#63 - reply to Eomer, and to Nogrod: "so that you are the only one allowed to be hasty?" and explaining to him his deal as merely in-character. Suspects Rune a bit, but does not suspect Nog, thinks he is his style.
#65 - reply to [B]wilwa[/B: hypocrits does not = wraiths, also once again says he's ok with Nog
#66 - feeling good about Legate and Eomer, otherwise "a bit blur"
#78 - voted Rune, wonders how 98% random vote can be "sensible"

Overall reserved, the only person he actually raised suspicion about being Rune. But that was promptly negated...

Day 2
#124 - He no longer suspects Rune, because of going again through his posts and finding the way he went after Nogrod innocent. He asks Rune why he voted Izzy and not wilwa, and then wonders about whether people always say "if I am alive..." etc. And he says he has completely flipped about Nogrod.
#138 - disappointed with Nogrod because he voted past DL and seemed not to care of Izzy or sally, whoever gets lynched. Asks why he didn't vote for the silent ones.
#168 - reply to Nerwen on thinking how Eomer set a trap, mentioning that not only wraiths but also innocents might fall into it, thinking also about why they killed Kath, that they'd first go for Seer in his opinion, but asking if going for a no-trail kill is also an usual thing...
#176 - more reply to Nerwen about Eomer's trap
#178 - reply to Eomer on the trap, apologies to Nogrod for using the term "aggressive"
#183 - reply to Eomer, says he did not spot a baddie yet, talk to Rune, clarifying, about wilwa - was confused by her before but now thinks her rather innocent, just like he did Rune before
#229 - should vote
#233 - asks where is Shasta, remembers that he got away with being quiet as a baddie before
#236 - votes Eönwë

Basically: the sudden flip-flop at the start of the Day could raise the alarms and make somebody think about his Seerishness, okay, if that was so, perhaps the Wraiths might have picked him based on that. Though, there was Nogrod who claimed to be a Seer: so this would not make sense. The one option would be, of course, if Nogrod was not a Seer and the Wraiths knew it. But in the case that Nogrod was a Wraith (and so his packmates would know that his claim is not real), if Kent was killed and been found a Seer, Nogrod would be immediately revealed as a false Seer. Okay, still, it would be a quite fair trade of one Wraith for a Seer, which would not necessarily be as bad for the Wraiths, as they would get rid of probably the most dangerous enemy. However, then it made no sense for Nogrod to reveal by the end of the Day - unless f.ex. others thought Kent a Seer and Nogrod didn't, and only after the Day ended, they told each other, and decided to go after Kent after all. Well, possible, though it seems weird to me.

Another possibility would be, of course, the typical "no trace", as Kent said just very little about people at large, or nothing at all about many. There were also people being suspected by him, so that's another possibility - they might fear him. But why him of all people... I mean, Kent looked quite sensible to me, but not particularly "dangerous" in the sense of being a strong public figure like Nogrod f.ex., who would be capable to "lead" the village according to his opinions...

As for his votes: he changed his mind on Rune at first, and voted for Eönwë the day after that, though he did not voice any particular opinion about him before... may be so that he voted him only after Nogrod's claim - that would make sense, although he posted only very shortly after him and it was in this last-minute confusion. He did not mark any cross-posting on his post, but that is not a proof that he didn't: people don't do that always.

All in all... okay, these are basic thoughts and I will still think about this. Particularly in relation to Nogrod, of course. But I should also go to sleep... will be around for a bit yet, and see. Maybe some more people posted meanwhile (well I guess they did... I got once again a bit distracted and took far longer than I expected... eek).

Nogrod · 05-06-2009, 04:31 PM

Funny that the seer and a ringwraith are having a dialogue with all others still sleeping or something.

Quite a nice picture though.

But where are you others? Have the ringwraiths killed you in RL?

*posting soon a longer one before sleep*

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-06-2009, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Funny that the seer and a ringwraith are having a dialogue with all others still sleeping or something.

Or a fake seer and an innocent, yea...

But for one, of course I agree - somebody should be here and post. (Unless the real Seer ponders whether to come out or not.)

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-06-2009, 04:34 PM

Okay, well - now I guess that did it, Nogrod, there is practically no other choice for me, but that you are a Wraith. Now the thing is to figure out what are you doing and what did you follow with the death of Kent, and also Kath before - okay, though the no-trail kill is really likely. But then, also perhaps who your packmates might be. Anyway, let's see. I will probably not be here for long at night, but will pop up in the morning (my time, that is, in several hours). Anyway, I just appeal on everybody to not take Nogrod's claims for granted. Critical thinking, yes, use your own thinking.

Anyway Nogrod, you are just impossible.

Nogrod · 05-06-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Anyway Nogrod, you are just impossible.

I could say the same of you...

But I'm not going to say it.

I do appreaciate your effort. People do not call you a good player for nothing. You get ten points. But you're a baddie still. Sorry.

satansaloser2005 · 05-06-2009, 05:21 PM

Well this is....interesting. Veeeery interesting. The question is whether I should comment or not, at the risk of saying something I shouldn't. Does that make sense? No? Good, me neither.

Well from what I see there's one thing in this game that's for sure. The question is whether to vote for the nassssty Legate now or wait until some discussion's been had.

For now though I need to go, so I'll be back in four hours or so with some feedback.

Nogrod · 05-06-2009, 05:37 PM

One more thing about this subject of Kent's death.

As I said I thought him somewhat suspicious in the end of yesterDay. But his last post quite left me totally baffled.

What he did at the last minute (voted Eönwë) was of course a right thing to do as it was a reaction to my revealment-post and I had shown that a baddie was actually trying to kill someone. There was no need for you Legate to sacrifice a fellow wolf there - and looking at how you played it was something you dared.

He got it and voted for Eönwë as he was the only other candidate to vote to save Eomer - who looked really innocent at that moment because of wolf-Legate's vote. (Which is not saying anything about Eönwë's guilt or innocence.)

But was he just a very clever and able villager or was he a baddie who was cunning enough to show himself being a good one at the last minute? That was what I wondered a lot as I did (and do) think he could be cabable of it.

Well, we know it now.

So you took away a cabable player who was able to react fast and do the right thing. Like you did with Kath. Lower profile but cabable. That's what you guys go for. Hah, I can see you calling for this tactics Legate...

And you were not after me last Night because you thought the ranger would save me and that a "no kill" last Night would basically prove my point. (Just hoping the ranger took a risk now - or that fex. Groin is the ranger and now comes up to do his duty)

Why you didn't pick Nerwen as she's innocent and also fits the description of lower profile but also cabable still beats me - unless it was because you really wanted to play this masquerade to the fullest and wished to give Legate a chance to make a game for it.

A good choice I must say. You play well as I've said already.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 05-06-2009, 05:51 PM

If Nogrod really is the seer, then we have both him and Legate with special roles in Lommy's game. . .

Maybe one should make theories based on the mods preferences instead of what has been said and done? Just a though. . .

satansaloser2005 · 05-06-2009, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

If Nogrod really is the seer, then we have both him and Legate with special roles in Lommy's game. . .

Maybe one should make theories based on the mods preferences instead of what has been said and done? Just a though. . .

As far as I understand Lommie randomized the roles. No special treatment was given to anyone regardless of their relationship to her.

In other news, I need to dash, because I'm already going to be late. I'll be back later tonight (my night, Noggie

) and will have comments then.

wilwarin538 · 05-06-2009, 06:23 PM

So.......wow....

First, I can't believe how wrong I was about Eomer, I feel so foolish for pursuing him so strongly and then being so terribly wrong.

Secondly, I trust Nogrod. That may seem odd considering that yesterDay I was unsure of him, and very sure of Legate. But I was also very sure of Eomer and was wrong, so....yeah. I'm gonna probably vote Legate.

I think either Sally, Rune or Eonwe would be good choices for a dream toNight, since they seem to have gotten the most attention over the last few Days.

I'm saying all this now because it will be another very busy Day for me, I seriously doubt I'll be able to make it back on tonight, and I'll only be able to jump on for about 15 minutes tomorrow (my morrow) to vote. Sorry about this. Day 4 I'll be on as much, if not more, as I was yesterDay.

05-06-2009, 04:34 PM	#4
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Okay, well - now I guess that did it, Nogrod, there is practically no other choice for me, but that you are a Wraith. Now the thing is to figure out what are you doing and what did you follow with the death of Kent, and also Kath before - okay, though the no-trail kill is really likely. But then, also perhaps who your packmates might be. Anyway, let's see. I will probably not be here for long at night, but will pop up in the morning (my time, that is, in several hours). Anyway, I just appeal on everybody to not take Nogrod's claims for granted. Critical thinking, yes, use your own thinking. Anyway Nogrod, you are just impossible. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

05-06-2009, 06:23 PM	#10
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	So.......wow.... First, I can't believe how wrong I was about Eomer, I feel so foolish for pursuing him so strongly and then being so terribly wrong. Secondly, I trust Nogrod. That may seem odd considering that yesterDay I was unsure of him, and very sure of Legate. But I was also very sure of Eomer and was wrong, so....yeah. I'm gonna probably vote Legate. I think either Sally, Rune or Eonwe would be good choices for a dream toNight, since they seem to have gotten the most attention over the last few Days. I'm saying all this now because it will be another very busy Day for me, I seriously doubt I'll be able to make it back on tonight, and I'll only be able to jump on for about 15 minutes tomorrow (my morrow) to vote. Sorry about this. Day 4 I'll be on as much, if not more, as I was yesterDay. __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin Last edited by wilwarin538; 05-07-2009 at 07:22 AM.

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05-06-2009, 04:21 PM	#1
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	All right, Kent actually posted just a little, so it was possible to go through all of his posts relatively fast... Day 1 #12 - In-character. #16 - In-character. That deal offering that's been discussed a bit here. #63 - reply to Eomer, and to Nogrod: "so that you are the only one allowed to be hasty?" and explaining to him his deal as merely in-character. Suspects Rune a bit, but does not suspect Nog, thinks he is his style. #65 - reply to [B]wilwa[/B: hypocrits does not = wraiths, also once again says he's ok with Nog #66 - feeling good about Legate and Eomer, otherwise "a bit blur" #78 - voted Rune, wonders how 98% random vote can be "sensible" Overall reserved, the only person he actually raised suspicion about being Rune. But that was promptly negated... Day 2 #124 - He no longer suspects Rune, because of going again through his posts and finding the way he went after Nogrod innocent. He asks Rune why he voted Izzy and not wilwa, and then wonders about whether people always say "if I am alive..." etc. And he says he has completely flipped about Nogrod. #138 - disappointed with Nogrod because he voted past DL and seemed not to care of Izzy or sally, whoever gets lynched. Asks why he didn't vote for the silent ones. #168 - reply to Nerwen on thinking how Eomer set a trap, mentioning that not only wraiths but also innocents might fall into it, thinking also about why they killed Kath, that they'd first go for Seer in his opinion, but asking if going for a no-trail kill is also an usual thing... #176 - more reply to Nerwen about Eomer's trap #178 - reply to Eomer on the trap, apologies to Nogrod for using the term "aggressive" #183 - reply to Eomer, says he did not spot a baddie yet, talk to Rune, clarifying, about wilwa - was confused by her before but now thinks her rather innocent, just like he did Rune before #229 - should vote #233 - asks where is Shasta, remembers that he got away with being quiet as a baddie before #236 - votes Eönwë Basically: the sudden flip-flop at the start of the Day could raise the alarms and make somebody think about his Seerishness, okay, if that was so, perhaps the Wraiths might have picked him based on that. Though, there was Nogrod who claimed to be a Seer: so this would not make sense. The one option would be, of course, if Nogrod was not a Seer and the Wraiths knew it. But in the case that Nogrod was a Wraith (and so his packmates would know that his claim is not real), if Kent was killed and been found a Seer, Nogrod would be immediately revealed as a false Seer. Okay, still, it would be a quite fair trade of one Wraith for a Seer, which would not necessarily be as bad for the Wraiths, as they would get rid of probably the most dangerous enemy. However, then it made no sense for Nogrod to reveal by the end of the Day - unless f.ex. others thought Kent a Seer and Nogrod didn't, and only after the Day ended, they told each other, and decided to go after Kent after all. Well, possible, though it seems weird to me. Another possibility would be, of course, the typical "no trace", as Kent said just very little about people at large, or nothing at all about many. There were also people being suspected by him, so that's another possibility - they might fear him. But why him of all people... I mean, Kent looked quite sensible to me, but not particularly "dangerous" in the sense of being a strong public figure like Nogrod f.ex., who would be capable to "lead" the village according to his opinions... As for his votes: he changed his mind on Rune at first, and voted for Eönwë the day after that, though he did not voice any particular opinion about him before... may be so that he voted him only after Nogrod's claim - that would make sense, although he posted only very shortly after him and it was in this last-minute confusion. He did not mark any cross-posting on his post, but that is not a proof that he didn't: people don't do that always. All in all... okay, these are basic thoughts and I will still think about this. Particularly in relation to Nogrod, of course. But I should also go to sleep... will be around for a bit yet, and see. Maybe some more people posted meanwhile (well I guess they did... I got once again a bit distracted and took far longer than I expected... eek). __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

05-06-2009, 04:31 PM	#2
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Funny that the seer and a ringwraith are having a dialogue with all others still sleeping or something. Quite a nice picture though. But where are you others? Have the ringwraiths killed you in RL? posting soon a longer one before sleep __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

05-06-2009, 05:21 PM	#6
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Well this is....interesting. Veeeery interesting. The question is whether I should comment or not, at the risk of saying something I shouldn't. Does that make sense? No? Good, me neither. Well from what I see there's one thing in this game that's for sure. The question is whether to vote for the nassssty Legate now or wait until some discussion's been had. For now though I need to go, so I'll be back in four hours or so with some feedback. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

05-06-2009, 05:37 PM	#7
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	One more thing about this subject of Kent's death. As I said I thought him somewhat suspicious in the end of yesterDay. But his last post quite left me totally baffled. What he did at the last minute (voted Eönwë) was of course a right thing to do as it was a reaction to my revealment-post and I had shown that a baddie was actually trying to kill someone. There was no need for you Legate to sacrifice a fellow wolf there - and looking at how you played it was something you dared. He got it and voted for Eönwë as he was the only other candidate to vote to save Eomer - who looked really innocent at that moment because of wolf-Legate's vote. (Which is not saying anything about Eönwë's guilt or innocence.) But was he just a very clever and able villager or was he a baddie who was cunning enough to show himself being a good one at the last minute? That was what I wondered a lot as I did (and do) think he could be cabable of it. Well, we know it now. So you took away a cabable player who was able to react fast and do the right thing. Like you did with Kath. Lower profile but cabable. That's what you guys go for. Hah, I can see you calling for this tactics Legate... And you were not after me last Night because you thought the ranger would save me and that a "no kill" last Night would basically prove my point. (Just hoping the ranger took a risk now - or that fex. Groin is the ranger and now comes up to do his duty) Why you didn't pick Nerwen as she's innocent and also fits the description of lower profile but also cabable still beats me - unless it was because you really wanted to play this masquerade to the fullest and wished to give Legate a chance to make a game for it. A good choice I must say. You play well as I've said already. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...