Tol-in-Gaurhoth Threefold and Six: The Night Guard

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Anyway, as it seemed I would carry the most suspicion of my packmates, I decided to try to get you all to lynch me, and attempt to leave a few clues. The problem I had though, was that none of you had any idea there was a traitor-wolf, and I didn't know how you would take any of my clues. I tried anyway. I hinted at my own lupinity here, with the 'music' remark. I tried to tell you that Nilp was a wolf (the first paragraph). And I pretty much gave you our honest reasoning behind sticking with the single-kill. I was hoping those who had played with me the most might sense something out of the ordinary with me.
Day 3, I knew I wouldn't be around near DL. I tried to start a lynch-wagon on Brinn, building on things others had said, and hoping for the best. It turned out quite as bad as Boro's last game, where I said I wouldn't be around for DL, and came home to find myself swinging.
It was great fun anyway.

Well, we got that you were a wolf (obviously). I think you could have been a bit more explicit with the clues to your fellows– though I suppose it was hard to know how, without risking making them looking more innocent.

As for the plan– yes, I noted that you very helpfully explained the reasons for the missed kills. The thing is, though, wolves actually do stuff like that sometimes– that is, the reason for the kill or whatever seems so self-evident to them that they'll quite happily mention it (remember "looking Frodo-ish", Brinn?).

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, we got that you were a wolf (obviously). I think you could have been a bit more explicit with the clues to your fellows– though I suppose it was hard to know how, without risking making them looking more innocent.

Indeed. My worry with giving overt clues was that the pack would quickly figure me out, and would somehow engineer my demise themselves, giving them a very good standing with the rest of you. A rock and a hard place, as I saw it. I thought if I just deprived them of the double-kills, you all would have a chance.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Indeed. My worry with giving overt clues was that the pack would quickly figure me out, and would somehow engineer my demise themselves, giving them a very good standing with the rest of you. A rock and a hard place, as I saw it. I thought if I just deprived them of the double-kills, you all would have a chance.

How did you manage to talk your packmates into that one?

[Nerwen]

Oh, and a question for the other wolves-

After Zil's demise, was there any Nightly discussion along the lines of, "What got into him? It's like he was TRYING to give himself away!"

I still remember our pack's all-unsuspecting reaction to the death of Kamikaze Lomwolf in Sally's game.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

How did you manage to talk your packmates into that one?

Actually, I believe it was Nilp who brought up the one-kill idea and I was strongly for it too. So our traitor didn't even need to talk us into it. It was my belief that we stood a better chance without known innocents, and though it would take more Days, if we played it right, it would allow for a more cunning victory. It worked for me before (well, sort of). And it worked again.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

After Zil's demise, was there any Nightly discussion along the lines of, "What got into him? It's like he was TRYING to give himself away!"

Not really. He's a newer player still and I haven't seen him as a wolf before, so I didn't know how he'd play as one. Many wolves have been suspicious from early on before, though I did suspect after his death that he was the traitor since none of us remaining were attracting suspicion and were actually making a good team effort. Actually one thing that made me suspect Greenie was on our side was that on Night 4 we were considering killing Shasta, but then it was Greenie who realised he'd be modfired if he didn't show the next Day. And I would imagine she would've kept that information to herself were she the traitor.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I tried to start a lynch-wagon on Brinn, building on things others had said, and hoping for the best.

It's funny because I actually told my packmates I was happy you voted me. It might've been because you were a traitor trying to start a bandwagon against me or a loyal wolf placing me in a better light since your fate looked pretty bleak at that point. But I knew with your death it was quite possible I'd look more innocent to others thanks to your vote.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Is that why you lot dropped the ball and didn't do one after I was lynched?

Interesting story. Nilp was gone for the rest of the Night, so it was up to me and Greenie. It was a little after two hours before deadline when we agreed with a kill and that I'd submit it. And I did not too long afterward. Since I sent a PM with a question around the time we were deciding the kill (actually even a bit before) and Eonwe replied with no inquiry about our kill, I figured our submitted kill would go through just fine. So imagine my surprise when I found out no one died and it wasn't a save. Apparently we were supposed to have our kill sent two hours before deadline and not a minute later...and all along I had thought we were good as long as it was at least an hour ahead. Yeah, bad me, I've been so distracted with moving and I know that wasn't the only rule I missed. Our kill would've been McCaber, btw.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

(remember "looking Frodo-ish", Brinn?).

Which game was that?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Which game was that?

"Panic at the Prancing Pony", where we were Ringwraiths and "Frodo" was the Cursed.

[Nogrod]

Oh you nassty wolvses!!! *hats off*

I felt really bad about Greenie, especially during the first Days but I just kept on telling myself that I always suspect her and so maybe it's just that and I should leave her be until later. Then reading the last Day's action I screamed at my computer: "wolf, wolf!" but understandably no one heard it any more.

It was the classic thing: being too happy or at ease, half-leaning backwards and just letting others do the job.

And Nilp, as stupid as this sounds, I must say I was very uneasy with you as well; not actually over what you said which was basically very reasonable and thoughtful - but because how much involved you were. So I just kept telling myself that I can't start suspecting you "just because" you're more involved.

And looking at the Day before I was quite sure that either Nienna or Brinn (or Sally) were a wolf - or even both, with Pitchwife or McCaber one of whom they/she saved.

So it would have been a series of tough choices, too many of them, and I'm afraid I'd managed to make the wrong one in the end anyway so it was good I was away for the last Day.


Oh my, Inzil, you had the hardest possible role! Between a rock and a hard place indeed.

Sorry Pitchie, I was totally wrong with you. And I feel bad letting you down Wilwa - I thought you innocentish through the game and never had time or energy to actually go through your posts to make a more considered judgement on you - and just wawered in the end.

Haha, there were three innocents facing the gallows that Night so we'd been one down anyway...

Thank's to Eönwë for a fun a fun game - and to all players!

[Nienna]

I'd like to apologize to Wilwa yet again for that terrible last minute bandwagon.

I'd been getting innocent vibes from Wilwa and Sally all game and wolf vibes from Nilp and Brinn. Sadly I did not trust my instincts... eh. I can't win 'em all.

As a village we kind of helped the wolves along a bit... the two lynch choices on Day One were both gifteds, we lynched a framed innocent, then we lynch the ONE wolf that can help us. Hahaha oops.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Actually, I believe it was Nilp who brought up the one-kill idea and I was strongly for it too. So our traitor didn't even need to talk us into it. It was my belief that we stood a better chance without known innocents, and though it would take more Days, if we played it right, it would allow for a more cunning victory. It worked for me before (well, sort of). And it worked again.

I remember being concerned on Night 3 because there seemed to be some grumbling among us about Nog being guarded, and that we needed to make a double-kill or two the next couple of nights with someone not as dangerous being considered innocent. Single-kills were a slower, but safer strategy. When I basically explained that during the Day, someone picked up on that as suspicious from me. I succeeded wildly in the first part of the Mod instructions I received: getting myself lynched. The other part? Utter failure.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

It's funny because I actually told my packmates I was happy you voted me. It might've been because you were a traitor trying to start a bandwagon against me or a loyal wolf placing me in a better light since your fate looked pretty bleak at that point.

Like I said, I had to vote early, because I was going to be away and miss DL. I certainly didn't want to get another innocent lynched, so I tried to get the ball rolling with you; something I could possibly explain to the remaining packmates as a merely a bad call on my part. I knew several suspected me at that point, but Kit's vote for you seemed to be leading toward speculation she'd known of your wolvishness, and I hoped to capitalise on that. Obviously, I was considered a much worthier candidate for the noose.