Tol-in-Gaurhoth Threefold and Six: The Night Guard - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Pitchwife · 09-12-2009, 08:31 AM

Congratulations to the wolves - you were awesome! Greenie, you fooled me royally on the last Day, I truly thought you were innocent. Nilp and Brinn, your split attack before the last DL was brilliant - Nilp going after Nienna, while Brinn swayed McCaber and me into that stupid Sally lynch, and Greenie doing a last minute retraction from one innocent to another. Kudos to sally, Nienna and Boro for voting the true wolf - we should have listened...
I started having doubts about Nilp after McCaber revealed, as I still thought there was a wolf somewhere among the Zil voters, but I hadn't ever looked at him closely enough, nor at Brinn. I had that nagging feeling something was escaping me, but after I'd spent so much time defending myself, there was too little time left to dig into it.
Speaking of Zil - it comes as a small comfort to learn there really was a good heart under your furry skin, and you had in fact a secret role, as I'd surmised! So I wasn't that utterly mistaken as it looked after your lynching, although I tried to keep you from fulfilling your Mod-decreed destiny, and for all the wrong reasons...
And the wolves considered killing Shasta on Night 4?

Nog, Boro - no worry about your suspicion of me, I know I asked for it. This was my first game as an ordo, and I guess not having a crucial role this time made me act just a bit too reckless. For a while on the last Day, I gave in to frustration, but I got over it. It was also the first time I survived till the end, much to my own surprise, and it seems I hadn't seen nothing yet...
(By the way, Boro, it's a relief that we were in the same boat after all. My shaky suspicion of you faded long before the end, but I'd have kicked myself if it had turned out I'd been right.)
Sincere apologies to Kit, Legate and sally - none of you deserved what we did to you! Lommy, we should have listened to you more. And kudos to Mnemo, Nerwen, wilwa and, once again, Nienna - you all were excellent.
McCaber, good choice to reveal when you did - it simplified matters somewhat for me, although we were both fooled by the wolves in the end.
Hakon - that's twice in a row I was convinced of your innocence when you were under heavy suspicion, and was right. If I ever play against you when you're a wolf, I wonder what evidence you'd have to shove into my face for me to suspect you...

Thanks to Eönwe for modding - I liked the grim atmosphere of your narrations. The Night Guard was a great idea, complicating things in a very interesting way, together with the secret roles. (But please, satisfy my curiosity - what was it about Nog's sword an armour? Surprising possessions for a retired bourgeois - unless his name is Bilbo Baggins, of course.)

Eönwë · 09-12-2009, 08:48 AM

If you're interested, here are the PMs I sent out.

I sent this one to all the wolves:

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Werewolf

You were one of the four unfortunate victims of the Great Wolf. By being bitten by him, every Night phase you take on his foul shape and wreak havoc on the villagers. Each Night phase you may Private Message to discuss who you would like to kill each Night.

When all four of you are actively playing (All alive with no-one being Night Guarded), you may kill two players of your choice each Night. One person must PM me with the Night kill(s) two hours before the deadline. If your choice has not been received by then it will not be counted.

Two of your number have also gained special abilities attributed to the Great Wolf from the bite. One of you can check a villager each Night to see whether they possess the power of Sight. It will only be revealed to them whether it is the Seer or not. Another among you may each Night pick one who they believe to be hunting them. If the suspected hunter really is a Hunter, at the werewolf's death, the hunter will also be killed and his/her powers negated.

But beware! One among your number is a traitor. They resent being bitten and are actually on the side of the village. They will try to bring you down from the inside, so be wary. But do not kill this one needlessly, for though their allegiance lies elsewhere, they also count as one of you, and at their death you will be reduced to killing one villager per Night just as if any other of you had died.

To the seer-seer's PM, I added:

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Your Unique Role

You are the Seer-Seer. Each Night you must PM me with the name of someone you believe to be the Seer. You will only find out whether that person is a Seer or not.

To the hunter-hunter's PM, I added:

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Your Unique Role

You are the Hunter-Hunter. Each Night you may PM me with the name of the person you believe to be the Hunter (If you do not, it will still stay with your previous hunt). If/when you die, if the person you chose was the Hunter then they will die as well and their power will be negated. If you are wrong about the identity of the hunter then only you will die.

And the Saboteur:

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Your Unique Role

You are the Saboteur. You are a wolf, but you are on the side of the village. Your aim is to get all the wolves (including yourself) lynched. You may not reveal your identity to either side. When you die, you will appear just as a normal wolf.

Remember that you want to harm your fellow wolves without letting them suspect you.

The seer:

Quote:

Seer

You have always had the ability to perceive others as they are, and now this will become a useful asset to the village.

Each Night you must send me a PM with the person that you would like to direct your dreams towards. You will find out if your dream-target is an Innocent, Werewolf, Ranger or Hunter.

The hunter:

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Hunter

You are the hunter. Master Werewolf Hunter Formendacil secretly trained you in Werewolf hunting, but your training was interrupted by his untimely death, so you are inexperienced.

Each Night you must PM me with a target. If/when you get lynched or killed by the wolves, if your target is a wolf then they are killed. If not, only you will die.

And the ranger:

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Ranger

You are the Rogue Night Guard or Ranger. You were secretly trained by Master Ranger Formendacil to guard people against the evil of Werewolves, but your training was interrupted by his untimely death. You are not in any way affiliated with the other Night Guards.

Each Night you must PM me with the name of one you wish to save. If that person is attacked by the Werewolves then you will be able to save them without your identity being revealed to the them (or the werewolves), or anyone's identity being revealed to you.

I may have changed them slightly at the time to make them more detailed, but this is what I have saved on my computer, and is mainly what they say anyway.

Eönwë · 09-12-2009, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

(But please, satisfy my curiosity - what was it about Nog's sword an armour? Surprising possessions for a retired bourgeois - unless his name is Bilbo Baggins, of course.)

I have to tell you that there was nothing special about Nogrod. It was just because it was possibly the last night phase of the game and I didn't think it would be too much of a stretch for the richest man in the village to have such items. And also, it made it more interesting, don't you think?

I didn't want to complicate the game with too many special roles, because there was already the whole concept of the Night Guard and I wanted to focus on that.

Eönwë · 09-12-2009, 09:01 AM

Well, during the game, I put them on a nifty Excel document. Instead of taking hours transcribing, I'll just attach it.

If anyone can't see it, tell me and I'll think of some way to sort it out (maybe take a screenshot of each page?). Anyway, here it is.

edit: It doesn't let me upload excel documents, so I had to zip it.

A Little Green · 09-12-2009, 09:31 AM

Whoa. I so loved playing a wolf in this game. The traitor thing was a bit problematic for me, because I worked out early on that Zil was the traitor since Nilp and Brinn both claimed to have special wolf roles (and I thought it unlikely they'd bluff that) and I knew I was an ordinary wolf. I couldn't, however, prove to my packmates that I was trustworthy.

But really, that last Day was so mad! I was scared out of my wits when I realised people actually suspect me, luckily it was Friday so I could stay up until DL (1 am my time). Like I wrote in a wolf-gloating PM, I don't think my hands have ever shaken as much while playing werewolf as they did when I was typing my retraction as fast as I could...

Hats off to my fellows, you did an awesome job! And, also, a deep bow to Inziladun who did a great job in a very challenging role. Congrats also for a valiant fight dear villagers. Nienna, I'm so sorry for the last Day, I hated picking a fight with you but it seemed like the only way. Thanks Eonwe for modding, it was a very entertaining game!

wilwarin538 · 09-12-2009, 03:10 PM

Eonwe, that excel thing isn't working for me, or I'm just not understanding how it's supposed to work, haha.

I was hunting McCaber when I died. I hunted Mnemo Night 1, Lommy Night 2, and uhm.....I can't remember the others, haha, I think I hunted Boro at some point. I'm pretty sure I never hunted a wolf,

, hunt fail on my part.

Thinlómien · 09-12-2009, 04:21 PM

Oh, you wolves...

When Greenie (who had been under my radar) revealed me her role after my death and made me guess her fellows, I said "Inziladun", made a small pause and continued "Brinniel", but then I had no idea, and named several (innocent) people before saying "if it's Nilp, I'm going to kill him" and she said "it is Nilp" and grinned. So foul of you, Mr Felagund!

But all four of you played marvellously. Too bad.

PS. Thanks, of course, to Eönwë for great modding.

And it was great to play with you all. (Especial thanks to Boro for not cheating my infallible bororadar and to Legate for making a lot of sense.

)

PPS. I still don't support The Plan!

Eönwë · 09-13-2009, 07:42 AM

Ok. I have decided to insert the Days and Nights here as images, in case anyone can't see them:

Nilpaurion Felagund · 09-13-2009, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Actually, I believe it was Nilp who brought up the one-kill idea and I was strongly for it too. So our traitor didn't even need to talk us into it. It was my belief that we stood a better chance without known innocents, and though it would take more Days, if we played it right, it would allow for a more cunning victory. It worked for me before (well, sort of). And it worked again.

Yes, it is my belief that the single most dangerous thing the Werewolves can give the villagers is solid information they can use. Which is why the Seer is and will always be the most dangerous enemy for Werewolves. If we gave you known innocents and were forced to be killing them off at NIGHT (and having a merry dance trying to read the Ranger's steps), you would have had more time to catch us.

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Oh you nassty wolvses!!! *hats off*

[ . . . ]

And Nilp, as stupid as this sounds, I must say I was very uneasy with you as well; not actually over what you said which was basically very reasonable and thoughtful - but because how much involved you were. So I just kept telling myself that I can't start suspecting you "just because" you're more involved.

Actually I wanted to point out that I was not as involved in this game as I was in my previous stints (phantom and Lommy's games) because a) the timezone was way wrong for me (6am deadlines, as I've said) and b) 'my' werewolfing computer, which is the one my brother owns, was unavailable to me cos he's jobless at this time so he's using his laptop instead of being at work or sleeping early. The only time I exerted extra effort was during the last DAY.

If you want to see me really involved . . . well, not soon. I'll have to let this die down, hehe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Oh, you wolves...

When Greenie (who had been under my radar) revealed me her role after my death and made me guess her fellows, I said "Inziladun", made a small pause and continued "Brinniel", but then I had no idea, and named several (innocent) people before saying "if it's Nilp, I'm going to kill him" and she said "it is Nilp" and grinned. So foul of you, Mr Felagund!

But all four of you played marvellously. Too bad.

Haha, Greenie did tell me that, but unfortunately I was unable to reply. (That was the same NIGHT we missed a kill due to miscommunication, methinks.) I had planned to tell her to say to you, 'Kiitos for liking me, and anteeksi.

' And then something about pointing out that Legate's in the same game.

09-12-2009, 08:31 AM	#1
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Congratulations to the wolves - you were awesome! Greenie, you fooled me royally on the last Day, I truly thought you were innocent. Nilp and Brinn, your split attack before the last DL was brilliant - Nilp going after Nienna, while Brinn swayed McCaber and me into that stupid Sally lynch, and Greenie doing a last minute retraction from one innocent to another. Kudos to sally, Nienna and Boro for voting the true wolf - we should have listened... I started having doubts about Nilp after McCaber revealed, as I still thought there was a wolf somewhere among the Zil voters, but I hadn't ever looked at him closely enough, nor at Brinn. I had that nagging feeling something was escaping me, but after I'd spent so much time defending myself, there was too little time left to dig into it. Speaking of Zil - it comes as a small comfort to learn there really was a good heart under your furry skin, and you had in fact a secret role, as I'd surmised! So I wasn't that utterly mistaken as it looked after your lynching, although I tried to keep you from fulfilling your Mod-decreed destiny, and for all the wrong reasons... And the wolves considered killing Shasta on Night 4? Nog, Boro - no worry about your suspicion of me, I know I asked for it. This was my first game as an ordo, and I guess not having a crucial role this time made me act just a bit too reckless. For a while on the last Day, I gave in to frustration, but I got over it. It was also the first time I survived till the end, much to my own surprise, and it seems I hadn't seen nothing yet... (By the way, Boro, it's a relief that we were in the same boat after all. My shaky suspicion of you faded long before the end, but I'd have kicked myself if it had turned out I'd been right.) Sincere apologies to Kit, Legate and sally - none of you deserved what we did to you! Lommy, we should have listened to you more. And kudos to Mnemo, Nerwen, wilwa and, once again, Nienna - you all were excellent. McCaber, good choice to reveal when you did - it simplified matters somewhat for me, although we were both fooled by the wolves in the end. Hakon - that's twice in a row I was convinced of your innocence when you were under heavy suspicion, and was right. If I ever play against you when you're a wolf, I wonder what evidence you'd have to shove into my face for me to suspect you... Thanks to Eönwe for modding - I liked the grim atmosphere of your narrations. The Night Guard was a great idea, complicating things in a very interesting way, together with the secret roles. (But please, satisfy my curiosity - what was it about Nog's sword an armour? Surprising possessions for a retired bourgeois - unless his name is Bilbo Baggins, of course.) __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

09-12-2009, 09:31 AM	#5
A Little Green Leaf-clad Lady Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,571	Whoa. I so loved playing a wolf in this game. The traitor thing was a bit problematic for me, because I worked out early on that Zil was the traitor since Nilp and Brinn both claimed to have special wolf roles (and I thought it unlikely they'd bluff that) and I knew I was an ordinary wolf. I couldn't, however, prove to my packmates that I was trustworthy. But really, that last Day was so mad! I was scared out of my wits when I realised people actually suspect me, luckily it was Friday so I could stay up until DL (1 am my time). Like I wrote in a wolf-gloating PM, I don't think my hands have ever shaken as much while playing werewolf as they did when I was typing my retraction as fast as I could... Hats off to my fellows, you did an awesome job! And, also, a deep bow to Inziladun who did a great job in a very challenging role. Congrats also for a valiant fight dear villagers. Nienna, I'm so sorry for the last Day, I hated picking a fight with you but it seemed like the only way. Thanks Eonwe for modding, it was a very entertaining game! __________________ "But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created."

09-12-2009, 03:10 PM	#6
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	Eonwe, that excel thing isn't working for me, or I'm just not understanding how it's supposed to work, haha. I was hunting McCaber when I died. I hunted Mnemo Night 1, Lommy Night 2, and uhm.....I can't remember the others, haha, I think I hunted Boro at some point. I'm pretty sure I never hunted a wolf, , hunt fail on my part. __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

09-12-2009, 04:21 PM	#7
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Oh, you wolves... When Greenie (who had been under my radar) revealed me her role after my death and made me guess her fellows, I said "Inziladun", made a small pause and continued "Brinniel", but then I had no idea, and named several (innocent) people before saying "if it's Nilp, I'm going to kill him" and she said "it is Nilp" and grinned. So foul of you, Mr Felagund! But all four of you played marvellously. Too bad. PS. Thanks, of course, to Eönwë for great modding. And it was great to play with you all. (Especial thanks to Boro for not cheating my infallible bororadar and to Legate for making a lot of sense. ) PPS. I still don't support The Plan! __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

09-13-2009, 07:42 AM	#8
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	Days and Nights Ok. I have decided to insert the Days and Nights here as images, in case anyone can't see them: