Werewolf LXXXIII: The Nightmare on the East Road

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Fair enough. Looking back, you did have a pretty sensible reason for suspecting Volo - the phrasing of your vote-post just made it look like you voted him for being weird.

To be honest, that would have served him right - after all, he voted for me for talking about the cobblers.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Agan

Almost half the players have 10 posts or less, and I'd much rather lynch a quiet one.

I agree, I mean there are only 3 hours left of the Day and there have been less than 40 posts (that's less than 2 posts an hour). That's lame, and if we get rid of the louder people then every day will get quieter.

So if we split the village up into 3 groups (now I'm not going off post count, I'm doing this in a fairly arbitrary way based on who stands out to me from all 3 Days, feel free to argue this) it sort of looks like this:


Loud
Agan
Inzil
Nerwen
Pitch
Shasta

Moderately Loud
Wilwa
Greenie
Lottie

Quiet
Eomer
Formendacil
Kath
Sally
The Elf-Warrior

So I kind of want to go for someone in that last group.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Here and reading.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Agan

However Inzil was initially suspicious of Volo because of the way he went after me, ie. didn't say a word about me but voted for me because I thought Greenie, whom he suspected, was innocent (this happened mainly on day 1).

continued from

Originally Posted by Agan Day1

Also, he only suspects Greenie but votes for me (when I already have a vote).

which was based on

Originally Posted by Volo Day1

Noggie doesn't bother with pleasantries and joins the Day with quite harsh words indeed. I sort of agree with his point, an evil Agan could very well be so bold as to mislead the discussion with something like that. But let's not get too jumpy yet.

I myself got the bad vibe from Greenie. Her painting of the worst-case scenario felt somewhat... mischevious. Additionally Agan liking Greenie instead of finding her suspicious points to an abnormality. This is just a hunch and I'll add that I've found Greenie suspicious all the time after her first game in which she was Wolf. But what do you think?

As you see, he was pondering the possibility of your being evil in the very same post. It's not really like he 'didn't say a word about' you and 'only suspected Greenie' but then all of a sudden voted you for no reason than you already had a vote. Some more twisting going on here?
And to be fair, I think he had a point - you Finns all have a long tradition of being at each other's throats in almost every single game, and Volo knows you all quite well, so I think I understand why your lack of suspicion of Greenie seemed eyebrow-raising to him, maybe pointing to you two being packmates.

(x-ed from #286 down)

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Quiet
Eomer
Formendacil
Kath
Sally
The Elf-Warrior

I'd consider putting Kath into the Moderately Loud group, just to be fair. I think she has posted more of substance than the others.

And as for sally, if she doesn't show up today, she'll be modfired.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

It's not really like he 'didn't say a word about' you and 'only suspected Greenie' but then all of a sudden voted you for no reason than you already had a vote.

As I see it, that hardly counts as suspicion. The possibility of me doing something as a baddie doesn't make me a baddie, and someone saying so doesn't make me think they are actually suspecting me. And I never said he only voted for me because I already had a vote!

And to be fair, I think he had a point - you Finns all have a long tradition of being at each other's throats in almost every single game

Hahaha! We might abide by the stereotype of Finns being aggressive and violent, but at least we aren't quiet!

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Agan

I'd consider putting Kath into the Moderately Loud group, just to be fair. I think she has posted more of substance than the others.

And as for sally, if she doesn't show up today, she'll be modfired.

Yes, Kath has posted a bit more (though not toDay, but yesterDay she did have some longer ones). Even though her reasoning for her vote on Day 1 still bothers me, because I felt I gave a good reason to vote for Glirdan and she said I didn't, and then she said something about him adapting Agan's plan to find the cobblers, which is not correct, he mentioned the idea but never explained how it would work. Perhaps she was too busy to really look closely, I don't know.

I would feel bad about voting Sally, cause she seems to only be absent due to sickness, and like you said, she may be mod-fired anyway so there's no point in wasting the lynch.

So I'm leaning towards Form, Eomer and TEW. All three of them have given some shoddy reasoning for one or more of their votes, and they all of this careless air about them. I feel like one of them could be a wolf (or the BW) just trying to skate through unnoticed. I'm leaning most towards Eomer now out of the three, but I would be willing to vote any of them.

edit: x'ed with a Greenie and 2 Agans...I want tea now...

[Aganzir]

Also, I was already going to sleep but remembered this!

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

edit: x'ed with a Greenie and 2 Agans...I want tea now...

Guess what was my code for "I think X is the cobbler"? The person whose name I've bolded last before saying I want tea! Wilwa you're a psychic.

[Nerwen]

ARRRGH! My internet connection died last night!

Oh, well, at least I was right in suspecting Agan all along.

But well-played, Wilwa! I'd come to the conclusion you were innocent and Form was Ferny.

[Inziladun]

I wanted to look at someone who hasn't been talked about much. Smilies removed.

Day 1

Originally Posted by Kath

*waves*

Posting to say that I am aware we've started (thanks oh great mod!) and that if deadline is 11pm GMT then I should, bar any unforeseen circumstances, be here at deadline.

While I'm away I request that no one tries to lynch Eomer or Form. It's been way too long since I played with them.

Intro post.

Originally Posted by Kath

Well thanks so much Eomer for that kind greeting. Let's all suspect him now for saying he was going to kill me and Form but then going after Agan! That's suspicious right?

Can someone throw a vote count at me? I have skimmed not read and that's going to stay the same really. So I'd like to know who's for the gallows and have a better look at them.

Ah and so I make no unfortunate errors ... Pitchwife - male or female?

Not much to say about that. The first part is apparently joking.

Originally Posted by Kath

Eomer - Agan
Glirdan - wilwa
Volo - Agan 2
sally - Agan 3
Greenie - Glirdan
wilwa - Glirdan 2

Thanks Agan, missed that as I went through. I added wilwa's vote on. Our Canadians are voting against each other. Interesting?

We know now Glirdy was Harry Goatleaf, but that says nothing about Wilwa's alignment.

Originally Posted by Kath

Well we apparently know the lynch choices for toDay then! So I'll go look at their posts and then vote.

Agan - suggests the person stunned reveals. Interesting idea, it would narrow down possibilities ... does it end up revealing Gifteds though and thus helping the wolves more? Basically saying just don't forget TBW in case it comes back to bite you later. Takes against Glirdan as well. Her and wilwa as buddies sounds unlikely given that they both suspect him. Suspects Nog for twisting her words or at least continuing to misunderstand them. Says 'trust me' waaaay too much.

Wilwa - saw the downsides of having the stunned person reveal. Says focusing on TBW distracts from the more immediate danger of wolves and cobblers. Seems to have pretty clear and thought through reasons against Agan's revealing plan. I thought she was looking pretty good but then she takes against Glirdan for no reason I can particularly see.

Glirdan - says focus on the wolves and cobblers and let the less obviously dangerous Gifted's sort themselves out. Makes sense to me though in these early Days we're as likely to get one of them as we are anything else! Adapts Agan's TBW outing plan to work for cobblers.

Right, well. To be honest none of them seem desperately suspicious! I'd be more tempted to go for wilwa because to be honest I can't see the reasoning behind Glirdan being suspicious. He's doing stream-of-consciousness posting but it doesn't seem particularly guilt-ridden.

So:

++WILWA

I noted before that Wilwa certainly didn't "take against Glirdan for no reason".

Day 2

Originally Posted by Kath

*waves at Nog from my little yellow submarine*

And I have to take back what I said yesterDay about wilwa's vote for Glirdan. I thought it was based on pretty much nothing other than feelings, but clearly she has much more of a gut-based grasp on Glirdan than I do!

Let's lynch Agan. It'll make everyone happy ... except Agan ... and then we can finish that argument!

Only joking. I was about to make a proper post but I've just been informed that dinner is ready. So I'll be back in a bit to actually say something (hopefully) useful.

Retracts her reasoning behind the vote for Wilwa (which I'd pointed out was wrong).

Originally Posted by Kath

Moi?!

Right, I'm going to wander through Day 2 now, have a look at what's been going on.

Ooh one thing though. There was some argument between Agan and .... someone. I want to say Nerwen but I can't remember. It was about not knowing the rules and that being a really guilty thing to do. Just wanted to put it out there that I disagree. These games with experimental roles are complicated. If even Boro is altering/clarifying the rules still then I don't think not being totally certain on them counts as particular grounds for suspicion. This might have been laid to rest already but I just suddenly remembered it.

I don't remember discussions of one not understanding rules making them suspicious. I'm not saying for certain that no one mentioned it, but this seems an odd thing for her to bring up here.

Originally Posted by Kath

Day 2:

Shasta: I actually love him for his first comment. Assumption 1: The wolves went after someone they thought was the Seer. And suggested Nog for being sure about Agan, while questioning this as Agan went after Nog. Bit of a non-thought maybe? Says not only the BW would pose as the Seer, other roles may well do it too. Says Inzil is defending Nog. Well, technically yes, but I think more what he's doing is arguing that other people should be looked at as well. Now I don't like the way Shasta leaps on this comment of Inzil's, but nor do I much like these attempts to 'out' the Seer by either of them. Assumption 2: The wolves attacked someone who would leave no trace. Mentioned by others already and yeah fair point.

wilwa: Says the wolves went for the Barrow Wight. Suggests we look at quiet players or look for Seer hints. Prefers the former as the latter will be harder. Given that there was no kill so there are no 'safe' players to look for Seer hints in I do think that the latter would also be a bit more dangerous for the Seer. Interesting idea of something to do with Shasta's throwaway comment. Good point that actually the BW isn't going to know anything really. Say Nog was the Ranger and the BW stunned him, unless it's made explicit in the narration that the Ranger's role was affected, the BW isn't going to be able to deduce that the Ranger must be Nog.

Nog: I'm ... not quite sure what he was arguing here. Seems to be saying that Shasta was totally wrong to suggest he might be Seer ... but that actually Shasta wasn't saying that, but rather that he (Nog) was the BW pretending to be the Seer so the Seer would waste a dream on him. Is that right? I got lost in this. Says it is in the opposite interests of the BW to attract Seer attention. Pushes the quiet players = evil theory as per usual! About half a Day after everyone else this time. I'm hating this 'code' - I can't remember what any of the letters stand for. Won't vote Greenie as she can't be here. Won't vote Agan because though he thinks she's a Cobbler he thinks she gets good discussion going. To be honest, if you think someone is evil I'd say go after them, but I suppose it's good reasoning.

Inzil: Don't get it. Why bring a comment on Volo in to suggest Nog was the Seer when the comment had no 'certainty' to it. Throws Eomer in as a possible Seer candidate for being 'certain' about Agan - fair point actually. Says that Glirdan voting wilwa means he didn't think her a wolf - I actually wouldn't bet on that. Where I argue with Inzil is the idea that Shasta was 'pushing' Nog as a suggestion. Actually, Shasta's suggestions about Nog were within the same post and then any other discussion was in answer to other people's comments on that post. So I wouldn't have said he was 'pushing' the idea. "Oh, I think potential Seers are a priority for wolves, certainly. But Shasta zeroing in on Nog the way he did to the apparent exclusion of all else is what struck me. " This I feel is inflammatory and unfair.

Lottie: Thinks quieter people or early voters would be more likely Night kills, suggesting Eomer, Form and Elfie (I like that shortening!). Well fair point. Says Eomer might be the BW but that we should leave the BW up to TB. In these early days it is more important to go wolf hunting, but as Shasta says talking about the BW does give TB more information to go on. Thinks Nog and Shasta innocent, thinks Eomer is the BW, thinks wilwa and Inzil are ok and is tempted to vote for Elfie for being quiet or Pitch after yesterDay. Votes Elfie because Pitch hasn't spoken - I like that, giving someone a chance to defend themselves.

Nerwen: Says if Nog were the Wight then Agan would be a cobbler not a wolf anyway. Um, why? Says Eomer doesn't count as a no-trace kill. I'm glad she was as confused by Nog as I was. Votes Agan for overplaying the Cobbler thing, being overly defensive and going after the BW too much.

Elfie: Just one post? Says Lottie seems ok and votes Eomer because he (?) has no idea what he might be. Erm, right, odd. And says Volo seems ok on further consideration. Really strange little post this.

Eomer: Says let TB go after Nog toNight and ignore him from now on. Yeah why not?

Greenie: Doesn't trust people who don't make an effort with their vote, for example Form and Eomer. "Other than that, I'm quite at a loss with why Nog calling Agan a cobbler makes it probable Aganwolf and her pack would think him the Seer who had dreamed her." I love this comment because I think this is the crux of the argument and is where I'm totally lost.

Volo: Thinks Nog might be a wolf because he's tense, but thinks if he were a wolf then he'd be hiding this better. Doesn't think he's the BW. Thinks Agan suspicious for putting forth a way to out the BW which would take attention away from the lynch itself. Well it's a fair reason. Thinks Shasta innocent. Interesting idea that the BW may take against the innocents if outed that way. Thinks Greenie and wilwa look ok, not sure on anyone else. Will likely vote a quiet player.

Form: Nothing in that post except complaints. And a second one!

wilwa: I'm reading these posts having seen Shasta explain that he wasn't only focusing on Nog, he just hadn't had a chance to get further. I don't know whether, had I not seen this already, I'd have read the argument in the same way as wilwa - who says Shasta seemed to think only Nog was a possibility. That said, I still agree that we need to be careful when talking about possible Seers.

Agan - ah, I've realised I've been skimming Agan's posts and not commenting. Well I probably commented on most of what she said when talking about other people. Anyway. Finds Nog, sally, Volo, Nerwen and Shasta guilty. Finds Greenie, wilwa, Pitch and Lottie innocent. Likely to vote Nog, Volo or sally. She has reasoning for everyone, and based on how many discussions and arguments she's been involved in with most of the people named it is pretty extensive.

Votes:
Nerwen - Agan

By the way - Volo made a Freudian slip? What was that?

Oh and Pitch. I didn't mean to offend with my appalling lack of memory. Our dear mod has to give me daily reminders that the game is going on just so I remember to turn up so please don't think it's just you!

Ah and it was Pitch not Nerwen who had that argument with Agan about the rules. Which is funny given this later comment by Pitch: Right. I just checked the rules to find that the Seer, in this game, can actually find out the Cobbler.

Right, posting this then I'll think about a vote.

I wonder why she takes me to task for saying Shasta was too focused on Nog, but seems to give Wilwa a pass for the same thing.

Originally Posted by Kath

Leaning guilty:
Shasta - I think it's great that he's around with ideas and I do think his words have been taken out of context a lot. That said, I think he focuses on the Seer too much and could potentially be a Cobbler taking attention away from the wolves.

Nog - Confusing and rude in tone to Agan.

Inzil - Well maybe being in the middle of the argument alters your view but as I said I thought some of his comments were inflammatory and unfair.

Elfie: Didn't like that single post. Unlikely to vote her because she said she won't be back.

Volo - Is going to be in deep trouble if his style keeps getting him on to this side of the lists. Because that's why he's here - what he's actually said seems ok, but there's something running the wrong way there.

Leaning innocent:
Lottie - Think she's ok.
Eomer.
Greenie.

No idea:
Nerwen
wilwa
Form - and I'm oh so tempted to vote him so the hardship of being here is removed for him.
Agan - there's almost too much surrounding her to be able to decide what to do there. I'm still half inclined to suggest lynching her and be done with it!

Haha I accidentally wrote about wilwa twice! In the first section I conclude she's pretty innocent, in the section I get rather suspicious! I've put her in no idea as a result.

Back in a minute with a vote. Want to check any cross posts first.

Under "Leaning Guilty", has Shasta, Nog, Me, TEW, and Volo. Form is under "No idea".

Originally Posted by Kath

Argh I missed Pitch off - I'm seriously going to be hated soon. If it's any consolation the last post made me think you innocent.

So, vote:

[++FORM
I'm going on principles. Don't want to play? Feel free to leave.

The obvious question is why she voted for Form over someone she actually found suspicious.

Originally Posted by Kath

*sigh* And of course my vote cross posts with Form. Oh well.

Would it have made a difference?

Overall, I'm rather worried about her, mainly for her votes and the reasoning therein.

x/d with Wilwa and Shasta

[A Little Green]

Agan – Seems generally reasonable, and I like it that she really puts an effort into the game. Don't agree with everything she says though.

Eomer – Still not much on him. Not surprised if he's a wolf sitting back and taking it easy. Might deserve a closer look.

Formendacil – Confuses me to no end. I have a hard time seeing him as a wolf, but almost as hard seeing him innocent.

Inziladun – Enigmatic as ever.

Kath – Pays a lot of attention to fair play which I appreciate. In her list post three of her five guilties were there mainly due to being rude or unfair to others. While I'm strictly of the opinion that such behaviour needs to be pointed out and criticised, I don't see it as a sign of wolvery. I can't help thinking that her ”going on principles” -vote would have been the perfect move for a wolf: a reasoned vote that isn't really risky whatever happens later. Her tone seems genuine but I can't shrug off the idea that she might be just fooling me big time. And Inzil's analysis didn't make me feel any better.

Loslote – Hmm. I usually ”catch” her when she's innocent. Now she's been flying under my radar which has me slightly worried, but I have nothing on her apart from that.

Nerwen – Shrewd and smooth as always, no idea as to what her role could be. Might deserve a closer look.

Pitchwife – Quite frankly no idea.

Sally – Haven't seen much of her, which is a pity. Her Day 1 vote wasn't fabulous but I'd be unwilling to vote her unless she turns up as that wouldn't be quite fair, given that her absence is probably due to being ill.

Shasta – I have not ignored the possibility that he might be a wolf, which I do every time he actually is one. Feeling ok at the moment.

The Elf-Warrior – Not sure I like this One Post per Day -attitude though he might be just busy. His posts don't look too good either though there's too little substance to base any proper reasoned opinions on. Might check his posts though, it's not as if that's too big a project.

Wilwa – Seems very genuine to me.

[Inziladun]

The next few hours are looking to be very busy, so I probably won't be around anymore toDay.

TEW has not done himself any favours in my view, and I can see the temptation to vote for him. Seems too easy though, and I'm not convinced he's not merely a busy innocent.

And to get away from those who have been in the spotlight most, let's go with

++Kath

Dodgy votes and a demeanor that feels different than innocent-Kath

Vote well, folks.

x/d with Pitch

[A Little Green]

Oh, and I agree with Agan and Wilwa that this quietness is not constructive, and more than that, it's dangerous. (A pity Nog is dead, I'm sure he would agree too.)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Inzil

Now, perhaps we can put Shasta's theory to rest.

At least there's no kill toNight.

I can't help but pull a Lottie here and say that this seems oddly showy for Inzil (Wilwa's post above is similar, but gives off a different sort of feel than this casual one-liner). However, I've been after Inzil a lot, so maybe I'm just biased here.

Originally Posted by Inzil

Looking back now, both Greenie and Sally, two of the remaining three voters, had indicated they would not be around. That left Eomer, who wasn't likely to vote for himself at that point even if he'd been innocent.

...And this looks like Inzil is pulling the most mundane parts out of people's posts to respond to to look helpful. My next comment will be about someone else other than jittery Inzil, I promise.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Only if he's really cleaned up his act since last time.

What's that supposed to mean, dear one?

Skipping over the drivel in #255 like I said I would...

I notice the only thing Eomer's put forth today is that he agrees with Nerwen about the possibility of wolves holding their votes until late, and doesn't see anything Seerish about Nog. It's been a while since I played with Eomer, but I seem to remember him being more... involved, as a wolf. He's striking me as 'bored ordo' right now, but I could still vote him on principle! *mean look*

Originally Posted by Agan

It just seemed so useless to suggest we try to figure out whom the wolves targeted.

And I still disagree with you.

Originally Posted by Inzil

Perhaps we can technically "afford to lynch another quiet player", but that doesn't mean we should.

Why shouldn't we, Inzil? It's a given fact that quiet players are harder to catch at anything than loud players simply because of the amount of talking they do. Plus I'm for lynching lurkers on principle and always have been. I'm not saying I'm going to today (though I am considering it; Eomer for his constant "I'll say more" and not living up to it]), but I don't understand why you seem to be so against it.

Originally Posted by Greenie

I can't help thinking that her ”going on principles” -vote would have been the perfect move for a wolf:

I don't really see why having principles automatically makes you wolvish.

Originally Posted by Inzil

TEW has not done himself any favours in my view, and I can see the temptation to vote for him. Seems too easy though, and I'm not convinced he's not merely a busy innocent.

TEW as a vote is "too easy", yet voting for someone who hasn't shown up today (Kath) isn't? Need I remind you that that's practically identical to how I got lynched as the Seer last game?

Inzil is currently topping my "will vote for" list, followed by Eomer. In fact, why don't I just make that list...

Would like to vote for -
Inzil
Eomer
TEW
Agan

Won't be voting for -
Wilwa
Lottie
Greenie

Currently neutral on -
Pitch
Nerwen

Would be a principle vote, but probably won't be voting unless circumstances change -
Sally
Kath
Form

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Shasta

I don't really see why having principles automatically makes you wolvish.

Don't over-interpret me, darling. Of course it doesn't, nor did I say so. Every one of us (hopefully) has some moral principles concerning this game, and they generally don't change with role. What I was talking about was Kath voting on those principles. It just occurred to me that while perfectly logical for an innocent Kath too, voting on principles rather than suspicion would be pretty clever for a wolf, and once I had thought of that I couldn't shrug off the feeling.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

It just occurred to me that while perfectly logical for an innocent Kath too, voting on principles rather than suspicion would be pretty clever for a wolf

I'd be careful with that kind of assumptions, though. It isn't basically any better than saying "I can imagine Aganwolf possibly doing that, hmm I wonder if I should vote for her now!"

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

It's been a while since I played with Eomer, but I seem to remember him being more... involved, as a wolf.

Last time I played with him, he was a wolf and I don't think he was much more involved.

Why shouldn't we, Inzil?

And still you have the two people with the highest post count on your Would like to vote list...

I don't really see why having principles automatically makes you wolvish.

I don't think she said "automatically", she only said it would be convenient for a wolf.

More tea for me now.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Last time I played with him, he was a wolf and I don't think he was much more involved.


And still you have the two people with the highest post count on your Would like to vote list...


I don't think she said "automatically", she only said it would be convenient for a wolf.

More tea for me now.

I never said honest suspicion shouldn't trump lurking, Agan. What's your point here?

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Zil in his Kathalysis

I don't remember discussions of one not understanding rules making them suspicious. I'm not saying for certain that no one mentioned it, but this seems an odd thing for her to bring up here.

The discussion Kath referred to in this quote was between Agan and me on Day 1, and was brought up again on Day 2, so I see why Kath commented on it.

Originally Posted by still Zil on Kath

I wonder why she takes me to task for saying Shasta was too focused on Nog, but seems to give Wilwa a pass for the same thing.

Hmm, I'm afraid I'll have to go back to that debate and see whether there was any difference between wilwa's position and yours which Kath could have seen. At the moment, however, I'm not awfully inclined to take your analysis at face falue. Sorry.

Moreover, of the quiet ones, Kath has meanwhile made more of an effort to play and give us some reasoned opinions as the others, so if we go for a submarine, I don't think we should start with her.

(x-ed with a load)

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Shasta

I notice the only thing Eomer's put forth today is that he agrees with Nerwen about the possibility of wolves holding their votes until late, and doesn't see anything Seerish about Nog. It's been a while since I played with Eomer, but I seem to remember him being more... involved, as a wolf. He's striking me as 'bored ordo' right now, but I could still vote him on principle! *mean look*

Remember the game when Eowolf and I made you our first Night-kill? (Rhetoric question, I don't think you've forgotten it so soon...) He was almost as lazy then as he is now, mostly going after Greenie in an apodictic way with no clearly explained reasons, exactly like he voted Agan on Day1. I certainly wouldn't rule him out as a wolf... or maybe a Wight.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Why shouldn't we, Inzil? It's a given fact that quiet players are harder to catch at anything than loud players simply because of the amount of talking they do. Plus I'm for lynching lurkers on principle and always have been.

Agreed. And it's interesting Zil said this, given his vote for Kath. Another brick in the wall.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Inzil is currently topping my "will vote for" list, followed by Eomer.

You know what, I could actually get behind this.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

++Inziladun

I'm more bothered by what he's said today than what he's said previously, and that's saying something.

I'm voting now because I'll be around, but extremely sporadically, and I'd hate to not vote at all.

[wilwarin538]

Ok, so I definitely want to go for a submarinish type person today. Not Kath, because she participated much more yesterDay, not Sally cause she's sick, not Form cause he hasn't been on yet toDay and out of the 3 guys I get the most innocent vibes from him (despite the fact that I greatly dislike his votes). So that leaves it to TEW and Eomer, and out of the two I feel like TEW is more likely to be just a busy innocent, while Eomer just....erks me, too quiet and doesn't seem to care all that much, like he'll just be able to skate through.

So here it goes:

++Eomer

I might be able to come back on close to the end of the Day, just want to vote now before I get distracted with other things and forget .

x'ed with Pitch