Game Thread: WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Regarding the dead thread

The votes on Manwe came about as follows - I was quite vocal about Nog, and voted him just as soon as Night started. Nog came on and we dueled for a while, but he was very calm about his impending reveal, even going out of his way to vote for himself. I decided that he was a cobbler at that point (had been leaning that way for some time), and retracted my vote to switch to Manwe, whom we knew nothing about but /was/ lynched (Nog's actions being such that I felt he knew he'd turn up 'not a wolf'). Manwe then came on and voted for himself, making it 2 for him and 1 for Nog.

I also told the dead thread to always vote for the lynched player for the role reveal - anyone killed by the wolves is by definition not a wolf, so a revelation of them is a waste.

In other news, Nog is still claiming that Phantom is a cobbler. Manwe would like Boro, among others, looked at. Oh, yes, and Fea is high on Nog's suspected list. Anyway.

Lommy's actions today are striking me as odd, but not wolfish-odd - they look more to me like a Prelude to Chaos in C Minor - that is, a lead-up to a chaotic cobbler play. The main person I'm looking at is Lottie, who defended Nog yesterday.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

The main person I'm looking at is Lottie, who defended Nog yesterday.

I would have done the same thing as an innocent or as a wolf. As an innocent, I believed his claim. I supported him because I didn't want to lynch our Seer. As a wolf, I still would have believed his claim. I would have supported him to try and avoid a Seer dream. After all, lynches you can fight against. Seer dreams you can't control. As a cobbler is where I'd have done it differently. I still would have believed his claim. And, as a cobbler, I'd have attacked him. As a cobbler, I wouldn't fear a Seer dream - if I died, I died, no biggie - but I would like to see the Seer lynched, so that they wouldn't dream of any wolves.

So, basically, the only thing you can learn from my defense of Nog is that I'm either innocent or a wolf or a lying cobbler, and that I'm a little bit guillible.

[Mithalwen]

There are a lot on the dark side this game but not an infinite number - some of the people playing silly beggars have to be wolves..they can't all be cobblers esp if the BG hypothesis is correct. Lommie hasn't been as I remembered her this game. Either she has become disengaged or she is up to something. If I had to vote now it would be for her but I can hang fire for a bit.

[Thinlómien]

Boro - I get it you're not exactly happy about me suspecting you when you're already being suspected by many. However, I'm not going to drop my suspicions or apologise for them just because you're my friend. And what you said still is basically "you're (almost) right when calling me a cobbler", whether you meant it or not. And of course you say you didn't mean it, but you must understand I can't take your word for that. And I might be ignoring most of the other suspicion coming your way - because, like you said, it's baseless. It's Sally's and elephant's problem if they don't have grounds for their suspicions, not mine. And I guess I do not need to comment on Nog's suspicions on you, since that cobbler is already dead.

I didn't pay much attention to Nessa before, but Glirdan's analysis is rather eyebrow-raising. Whether it means Nessa is guilty (and I think he could be as well a wolf as a cobbler) or Glirdan is a crafty cobbler, I cannot really say. Have to think about this.

Originally Posted by Mith

No you didn't say but your posts show you didn't even bother reading to the second sentence of his only post!
Now the only reason I can think of for not scouring his every word is that he can tell you nothing new ie that you already know who is a wolf or not.

Come on, that's not very nice. I already said I didn't realise the revealment-vote thingy started yet (I didn't realise it started right after the death of the third peson, if you want to chastise me for something, you ought to chastise me for not reading the rules properly not for not reading other people's posts carefully) and that's why I was confused. I don't really like this post of yours, because either you have not been reading my posts properly or you're intentionally trying to make me look ridiculous.

Glirdan's analysis made me think about Wilwa more. I see my vote yesterDay was hasty - apart from the gloating tone of her first post, she actually seems quite fine.

Originally Posted by Greenie

She quite simply isn't herself at all, she's jumpy and nervous and making weird arguments.

I protest! I think my arguments aren't any weirder than normal, the game is just a lot weirder than any in ages with the dead thread, unknown roles and three cobblers. *shudders*

Originally Posted by Lottie

After all, when you have two suspects, one of which is suspected by a 'cobbler' and the other of which is suspected by a 'seer', which are you going to want to vote?

Okay, fair point.

Shasta, thanks for the info. That's sure something to think about.


edit: xed with Mith, Legz and Boro

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien;648207.

Come on, that's not very nice. I already said I didn't realise the revealment-vote thingy started yet (I didn't realise it started right after the death of the third peson, if you want to chastise me for something, you ought to chastise me for not reading the rules properly not for not reading other people's posts carefully) and that's why I was confused. I don't really like this post of yours, because either [I

you [/I]have not been reading my posts properly or you're intentionally trying to make me look ridiculous.

"Nogrod. Every indication is that of cobblery, even io to his dead vote"

This was the sentence after the one where Shasta says that Manwe has a wolf. You didn't have to read the rules carefully to get a fairly big reminder that the dead had started. So don't you get on your high horse with me when you have proved what I have said is true. You cannot claim both that you have read Shasta's post thoroughly AND that you were unaware of the dead vote starting.

I am not trying to make you look ridiculous. I am pointing out an inconsistency which is perfectly valid and as far as I can see I am on to something. I am now absolutely certain you are at least a cobbler.