Game Thread: WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos

[elronds_daughter]

Originally Posted by phantom

Well then- what do you think? I would say that if the Dead find Lommy to be guilty then they should just keep checking our lynches, but if she turns out innocent they should check Nessa, for it would perhaps make that lynch particularly telling.

I think this is a good idea.

And I haven't poked at you, phanty, because I honestly don't think you're that much of a threat. My gut tells me you're fishy, but you've been mostly helpful (if very vocal; but I'm sensing that's typical), though half of the helpfulness seems to be agreeing with Boro (who is on my "Sensible" list, by the by). Also, the fishy-gut-feelings don't point to wolfishness, just general muck-up-the-works-but-still-be-helpful-enough-to-be-ignored cobblery.

Now, to do what I was going to before the 'Downs apparently went down (pun intended, sorry).

Originally Posted by Anguirel

I feel really bad about elron's last post actually. There's a sort of mad collective conformity in this village, er, camp, which she endorses, straight down the line, numerous times -

- "not sure" on people she's been prominent in helping kill
- in favour of the technocratic elite with their elaborate plan that involves evil counting
- the phantom could be a wolf ,but for some reason we shouldn't possibly interrogate him yet
- the lovers are innocent (well, yeahhh...)
- Loslote is a scatty innocent

It's just...unconfrontational and platitudinous. There are wolves in this camp. Elron, who do you suspect? At the moment the closest thing you have to a suspect appears, in my view risibly, to be Mith...

Grumble-grumble-I-really-should-start-phrasing-things-more-decisively-grumble. <kicks self>

I can't see how I've been "prominent in helping kill" anyone except Lommy. Who I did think was off. From Day one, if you recall. If you're referring to my calling Lommy an enigma, that's because there are always things about her that I can't pin down.

I never said phantom could be a wolf. I said he seemed fishy. Which I still think he does. But (as explained above), it's not wolfishly fishy.

Mith is currently on my radar, mostly because I can't get a read on her yet. Which is puzzling.

Yes, there are wolves. For all we know, they could be the quiet, busy-in-real-life ones.

Okay, that's all for my self-defense. (That sort of thing never ends well.)

I think Boro's recent method (in conjunction with the original plan...Agan's, wasn't it? I got a bit lost that Day) is a good one. I'm really not sure why anyone is reluctant on this. Don't we want to know about the Dead before we die ourselves?

EDIT: Right, duh, of course it was Agan's plan. My brain apparently took an unexpected leave.

[Nerwen]

I'm sorry to have to be saying this again, but apologies again for not being around. It's been a combination of RL plus connection failures.

More when I've read things.

[Rikae]

Attention
Due to technical difficulties, the Day has been extended by 24 hours. DL is now 11pm EST tomorrow (February 2).

We now return you to your regularly scheduled lynching.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

INNOCENT: (to INNOCENT 2 and WOLF): You two are guilty.

INNOCENT 2: Take that back now, wolf!

WOLF: (flicking ash off end of cigarette holder) Whatever, cobbler.

Originally Posted by Loslote

But I do think you're a cobbler. You're attracting too much attention for me to call you a wolf. Under normal circumstances, yeah, I'd point fingers and call wolf, but in this game, there are just as many cobblers as wolves. It's just as likely that you would be one as it is likely that you would be the other.

Okay. The village is getting smaller, and I'm pretty confident we're down at least one cobbler (Nogrod). Two if BG was evil, or if Fea or any more of the lynchees was one. Whereas it seems very unlikely we've sent more than one wolf to Mandos yet. So... is it really Cobbler-hunting time?

Originally Posted by elronds_daughter

And I haven't poked at you, phanty, because I honestly don't think you're that much of a threat. My gut tells me you're fishy, but you've been mostly helpful (if very vocal; but I'm sensing that's typical), though half of the helpfulness seems to be agreeing with Boro (who is on my "Sensible" list, by the by). Also, the fishy-gut-feelings don't point to wolfishness, just general muck-up-the-works-but-still-be-helpful-enough-to-be-ignored cobblery.

What I said to Lottie.

Originally Posted by Elra

I can't see how I've been "prominent in helping kill" anyone except Lommy. Who I did think was off. From Day one, if you recall. If you're referring to my calling Lommy an enigma, that's because there are always things about her that I can't pin down.

Yes, I know, you said this:

Originally Posted by Elra

Glad the Lommy-enigma (she always is, to me) is gone, yes.

But that sounds rather like you just lynched her on general principles.

Originally Posted by Elra

Mith is currently on my radar, mostly because I can't get a read on her yet. Which is puzzling.

Really? I think Mith is about the most innocent-looking person in the village at the moment.

Originally Posted by Elra

Yes, there are wolves. For all we know, they could be the quiet, busy-in-real-life ones.

So... you're not going to bother looking?

Originally Posted by Elra

I think Boro's recent method (in conjunction with the original plan...Agan's, wasn't it? I got a bit lost that Day) is a good one. I'm really not sure why anyone is reluctant on this. Don't we want to know about the Dead before we die ourselves? .

Yes, but the problem is that if the, er, Evil Dead manage to derail it– or even if there's simply a screw-up– we would be basing our suspicions on wrong information. So it's actually quite a gamble. On the other hand, it is frustrating to be left in the dark as we are now, and in fact we are quite handicapped by having no wolvish connections to trace. But Boro's breathless enthusiasm for the whole thing is starting to worry me.

EDIT:X'd with Moddess.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Okay. The village is getting smaller, and I'm pretty confident we're down at least one cobbler (Nogrod). Two if BG was evil, or if Fea or any more of the lynchees was one. Whereas it seems very unlikely we've sent more than one wolf to Mandos yet. So... is it really Cobbler-hunting time?

There's a difference between actively looking for Cobblers (as opposed to wolves) and drawing a conclusion about a particular person, though. Ang jumped out at me (both in the attention-grabbing way and the attacking way ), so I looked at him. Now that I think he's a Cobbler, I'll hardly be pressing for his lynch.

Elron-Hubbard confuses me. On the one hand, she looks like a semi-newbie who's probably innocent. On the other hand, she seems awfully concerned with how she looks:

Okay, that's all for my self-defense. (That sort of thing never ends well.)

As well as a very conciliatory tone. But, all things considered, I'd say it's probably just newbieishness.

[Mithalwen]

Oh what is going on here?

Ang is suspicious because after a long absence he makes a long post? You are saying it would be better if he flipped in and made some anodyne comment and offsodded? With Greenie doing her cat thing (wall staring) I would be quite grateful if you don't lynch the only person on my continent who speaks. It is possible that the wolves felt I was the most innocent person left too in which case I might not be around longer. At least can you find some better reason than he wrote a long post that didn't toe the party line?

I'm on the radar because someone can't get a handle on me? Well sweetie that is your problem not mine. I am not a bally suitcase. I am not meant to have a handle.

Are there only cobblers in this village? ..really communicationg with the dead is fine but we can't lynch retrospectively. If we want to win we can't rely on this - we don't have the time and it is the living wolves we have to find.

YEah I know I am grouchy I have just woken up on sofa to see someone explaining (by ripping one apart) what part of a slug is good to eat. I didn't need to see that. Off to bed for a bit.

Completely off topic and useless - but Nerwen, I am sure I am not alone in holding your nation in my thought at the moment as yet another natural disaster threatens. Hope you and yours are ok.

[Mithalwen]

Ok..... more tech problems or just quiet? Hmm.

[elronds_daughter]

I think just quiet. It's an ungodly hour on the US East Coast.

Mith, "on my radar" means "shall be looking at more closely now." Doesn't mean I think you're a wolf. Just means I'm going to be trying to understand you better.

Right, well, off to Wednesday. Ick. I shan't be around for another nine hours or so, but I'll try to be talkative when I get back.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I didn't mean to tie the vote there yesterDay, and I did make a rather odd face there (something along the lines of o.O, only more so), but Glorfy's save sort of evened out the numbers a teensy bit. I consider it a good exchange, really - someone who could have been a wolf was killed instead of someone who couldn't have. So, all in all, I'm a lot less head-bang-y than I was at the end of yesterDay.

The fact that Glorfindel stopped the wolves kill, doesn't take away the dubious double-lynch. All Glorfindel did was negate the screw up. A good save by Glorfy, doesn't make a bad lynch suddenly a good one. The double-lynch and Glorfy's save are not related, it was still a bad lynch.

A double-lynch is never good, unless both Lommy and Nessa turn up as wolves, or some sort of wolf/cobbler duo. You can't whitewash over the double-lynch as no "biggie", simply because Glorfindel corrected the screw up. Sorry, not going to work.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

On the other hand, it is frustrating to be left in the dark as we are now, and in fact we are quite handicapped by having no wolvish connections to trace. But Boro's breathless enthusiasm for the whole thing is starting to worry me.

Yeah, not enthusiastic about having to come down and be such a stiff, shouting orders.

I mean I considered just saying..."Dead peeps. Listen to me. Check Nessa. I want to know both identities of the double lynch." However, what good would that do? One, I'm not sure how trustworthy I am to the dead people to even listen. And two, we would be left debating in this thread whether they listened to me or not, and that would get us no where.

Look, the fact is, Agan and Shasta are known innocents. The type of players they are, they will both be cracking their whips in the dead thread to help us. They have no reason to lead us astray by telling us how they can give us information and then just not do it. Now we've got to do our part, by telling the dead what we want, so they can continue giving info.

The only way to do this is to not debate in circles about it, or hold it off until later like phantom wanted. But by getting a method that tells the dead what we want, and also leaves us a clear trail of "ok this is who the dead would have checked. If wolf they're going to give extra vote odd, if not-wolf even."

I won't talk about this anymore. I've said what I wanted to do. Agree with it or don't, doesn't matter to me.

Dead. Please Check Nessa

Lottie and phantom are topping my suspect list. I think that was an orchestrated double-lynch. And both of their attempts to pass it off as no big deal, with Lottie's "see it was a good exchange, because of Glorfindel!" Not going to convince me a double-lynch is a good exchange.

Also with phantom, his post on Glorfindel reeks of standard evil planning phantom. It looks like a good thing, hey Glorfindel tell us who you are and who you saved. We can know two innocents, the wolves will go after you and with all your protections, and returning from death you can give us all these extra days. Looks shiny, yes?

Come on phantom, what that post just did was lay out plainly to the wolves why Glorfindel is more powerful if he's killed. Whoever Glorfindel protected is going to be dead, and wouldn't it just be oh so great to the wolves who know who Glorfindel is now? In which event, they don't kill him, so he doesn't have the chance to go to the dead thread, bring us lots of possibly valuable info, as well as come back with 2 protections. That's the flaw in your plan for Glorfindel revealing, you are trying to pass off the assumption the wolves would automatically be forced to kill him if he's revealed. When you know as well as I do, right now Glorfindel is a normal ranger, and wolf packs can work around normal rangers (even if they didn't yesterday).

He's much more dangerous hidden, since he can come back more powerful when and if he's killed. If he's no longer hidden, you make it sound like the wolves would absolutely have to kill him, and they would not.

[satansaloser2005]

I dislike the double lynch. I dislike Lottie's part in said double lynch. I dislike Ang, and would be happy with lynching either of them toDay. I still dislike Boro, but can't decide between wolf and cobbler for him (am leaning toward the latter right now) so he's not my top priority.

I want to put a pudding in the oven.

I won't be back for a few hours.