Game Thread: WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Boromir88 · 01-30-2011, 01:22 PM

I'm sorry Lommy, when did I hint at you? I only said that I thought your paranoia was due to having your bororadar being flushed down the toilet because of the previous two games, but I wasn't going to write that off as the reason. Now supposedly I'm hinting to you? Umm...where? You came up with a completely bogus theory that I'm the cobbler because I said "steering" and that is close to "seering." Now you're just running with it declaring I'm a cobbler.

And quite frankly, I'm sick of the bogus suspicions that have been thrown all around by phantom, sally, Lottie and now you Lommy. Granted, I realize I'm totally an untrustworthy and tricksy person, and normally with just the baseless suspicions I ignore it. Maybe I should, but it appears to be happening all to frequently right now and by people who I wouldn't expect would just throw out indefensible accusations that can be summed up as...

"I have a fb impression of Boro" (Nog)

"Boro's suspicious. I'm voting for him." (sally)

"I think Boro looks the worst." (phantom)

"Boro said steering! That's like saying seering! Cobbler!" (Lommy)

Come on Lommy, you know I say "see" all the time and know that's never a seer hint, it's just a word I always use. Now apparently I can't say steer without it being some kind of hint.

Thinlómien · 01-30-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

I'm sorry Lommy, when did I hint at you? I only said that I thought your paranoia was due to having your bororadar being flushed down the toilet because of the previous two games, but I wasn't going to write that off as the reason. Now supposedly I'm hinting to you? Umm...where? You came up with a completely bogus theory that I'm the cobbler because I said "steering" and that is close to "seering." Now you're just running with it declaring I'm a cobbler.

And quite frankly, I'm sick of the bogus suspicions that have been thrown all around by phantom, sally, Lottie and now you Lommy. Granted, I realize I'm totally an untrustworthy and tricksy person, and normally with just the baseless suspicions I ignore it. Maybe I should, but it appears to be happening all to frequently right now and by people who I wouldn't expect would just throw out indefensible accusations that can be summed up as...

"I have a fb impression of Boro" (Nog)

"Boro's suspicious. I'm voting for him." (sally)

"I think Boro looks the worst." (phantom)

"Boro said steering! That's like saying seering! Cobbler!" (Lommy)

Come on Lommy, you know I say "see" all the time and know that's never a seer hint, it's just a word I always use. Now apparently I can't say steer without it being some kind of hint.

I'm not meaning to insult you by silly suspicion, but I think I had a fair enough point. If you say you believe someone is "steering" it looks too much like "seering". This is not to say you're stupid - quite the contrary, I can't come up with many subtler ways of hinting at the wolves you think somebody is the seer if you're a cobbler yourself. And everybody knows such a scheme is not past you by any means.

As for you hinting at me, well, that's what this (previously quoted) comment sounds a lot like:

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Originally Posted by you

I actually feel quite good about Lommy, even with that completely erratic cobbler hinting thing that I supposedly did...? I think Lommy's just trying to recover from smashing up her bororadar from the last few games that she is forcing herself into seeing everything I do as some twisted evil plot, as a form of revenge. Even if I think she had a nice working bororadar. It just needed updating, like a 2.0 version, or Bororadar Premium Edition.

Basically the things you say are: 1) You feel good about me. 2) I think you're a cobbler. 3) I'm unsure because my bororadar is brokey. 4) In truth, my bororadar is fine (although it needs a little update). Ergo, you're saying my bororadar is fine when it says you're a cobbler, Or (hey, just realised, and this is even worse!) it's a bit off because you're not actually a cobbler this time - but a wolf? That's all rather fishy, says I.

That's quite a to the point summary why I think you're doing fishy stuff and it all adds up quite nicely to you being a Bobbler (yay to Greenie for the nickname!).

Boromir88 · 01-30-2011, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Basically the things you say are: 1) You feel good about me. 2) I think you're a cobbler. 3) I'm unsure because my bororadar is brokey. 4) In truth, my bororadar is fine (although it needs a little update). Ergo, you're saying my bororadar is fine when it says you're a cobbler, Or (hey, just realised, and this is even worse!) it's a bit off because you're not actually a cobbler this time - but a wolf? That's all rather fishy, says I.

That's quite a to the point summary why I think you're doing fishy stuff and it all adds up quite nicely to you being a Bobbler (yay to Greenie for the nickname!).

No. What I said translates to. I feel good about you, even though you came up with this super far fetched reason to say I'm the cobbler. Oh, I forgot we must suspect everyone who suspects ourselves. No one who is innocent can ever be wrong.

So lemme be more blunt (and if this comes off as condescending I'm sorry now. I'm not insulted by anything you've or anyone else said). You were wrong then, you're still wrong now. Only then I wasn't going to hold it against you, because innocents especially can be wrong, and I thought you were trying to enact some playful Day 1 revenge since the last two times you've been wrong about my role. But now I see you're actually serious and this is worrying me. However you interpret from me saying "I feel good about you, even if you are wrong about me" as me giving you a cobbler hint and thinking you're a wolf, I haven't got a clue. And now you've turned my clear cobbler hint to you, into some kind of hint saying I'm a wolf?

You say I'm fishy? Really? Yet you've completely ignored baseless suspicions that are piling up against me. You don't think that's fishy? You're more thoughtful than this, Lommy. I hope you're a baddie, because I would hope an innocent Lommy wouldn't stand for the snow job against me right now, even if she was honestly suspicious of me for good reasons.

satansaloser2005 · 01-30-2011, 02:31 PM

I'd like to officially add Bobbler to the glossary.

Okieday, kids, I'm back. I have many things to do while on the webs, but I'll read through the thread and try to make some sense from this chaos.

And Shasta? I'm glad to have you back, my defrosted darling. <3

A Little Green · 01-30-2011, 02:25 PM

Aganzir - Beren, obviously. I heart her for her trick yesterDay.
Shasta - Lúthien, obviously.
Glirdan - He struck me as a likely Cobbler early on, saying that Shasta behaved the same way he did as a Seer. I still think Glirdy might be a Cobbler though there hasn't been new points to that direction. So not sure.
Elra - I seriously want to take a look at her.
Nerwen - She's always difficult to read but I'm leaning towards an innocent Nerwen at the moment.
Loslote - Still leaning innocent.
Wilwa - Another I need a look at.
Legate - Nothing alarming this far, he seems his usual innocent self.
Lommy - Was suspicious on Day 1, okay on Day 2, and now my alarms are going off again. I think she's grasping at straws with her suspicion of Boro, and seems overall nervous.
Nessa - Another I feel bad about. Her Legate vote was fishy, and I'm not sure what to make of her phantom-vote either. Seems awfully easy to me.
Sally - I might want to take a look at her, too.
the phantom - Leaning innocent.
Boro - I don't have much on him, either way.
Mithalwen - Still baffles me a lot. Could be anything.
Anguirel - Likewise.

Argh. I'm not happy with how many people I have no idea about. The way this is going, my vote will probably be for Lommy or Nessa. I'd like to take a look at some of our less vocal players before voting though.

EDIT: x-ed with Boro and Glirdy

satansaloser2005 · 01-30-2011, 05:03 PM

Master Phantom has been held up, and will not be back until later this evening.

And now back to the massive reread. I'm currently still on page three. Help me.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-30-2011, 05:51 PM

Since someone had mentioned that a different code of lists might be interesting for a change (though personally, I have never been using the dull "black and white" scheme, but a more colorful one), I thought of this (and those who know, know):

belonging to the Coastal Seas:
Shasta and Agan - lovers

free-lands (innocent-looking):
Greenie

border-lands (not sure, but leaning more innocent):
wilwa
Mith - though I feel like she, too, has been omitted, at least by me; I have the feeling, however, that she hasn't been really commenting in much of a "relationship"-way, like, not expressing very much thoughts about particular players, but more like just always replying to somebody and voting in the way that it does not give much info either.

wilderness (unsure about):
Glirdan
Elronhubbard
Nerwen - I have actually looked through her posts, generally, but I cannot make up my mind on her now - will possibly need to check her again later when I feel more up to the task

double wildernesses (something in between these two): Boro, though now when I was looking back at the thread, I am somehow getting more suspicious of him because of his general behavior - he looks kind of more like hiding something, a bit sneaky in the general approach, sort of giving the feeling that he knows more than he should.

shadow-lands (Cobblers/Wolves):
Loslote
Lommy
Anguirel - who is actually more likely to be a Wolf than a Cobbler, but then, he is not as suspicious as those listed below

dark-domains (most likely Wolves, or more like Wolves than Cobblers):
Nessa
Phantom

Since Nessa has already gained a vote, I might go for her. But I'll see yet if I haven't crossposted with anybody or anything...

EDIT: no, I didn't.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-30-2011, 06:13 PM

Okay, not going to speculate about it... also noting, now Lommy's last post actually did look a bit better to me (more like her normal self).

++Nessa

Good Night.

Aganzir · 01-30-2011, 06:35 PM

GUILTY
Green. She feels too smooth, if you know what I mean, and there's something fishy about her voting (she seems to be choosing the easy path). I am concerned about her.
ed. Slipping under my radar, except for the bad-looking first post on day 2 (incidentally, I think it was Greenie who first brought it up, or if not first she's the one I remember).
Lottie. Feels slightly off although not as badly as on day 1.
Boro. Out of him and Lommy, he looks worse. It does look like he was trying to hint at her, and now that she's suspecting him because of it, trying to save his face.

INNOCENT
sally. I thought her innocent on day 1 and little has changed since, mainly because she hasn't posted much. I could have put her down as 'Either' but I would have felt bad about my innocent list being so short.
Glirdan. Saying Shasta reminded him of Seertanis doesn't necessarily make him evil in my opinion. His posts look genuine to me... but I am incredibly bad at reading Glirdy.
Nerwen. Has done nothing to merit suspicion so she's here although I know how good a baddie she can be.
phanty. There are things which speak in his favour (his day 1 vote working to prevent a potential multiple lynch, his points against Nog yesterday, etc). I am not convinced of his innocence but he looks good enough for now, and besides he won't be my problem after today.

EITHER
Legate. Tending innocent, but his insistence about a cobbler lynch benefiting the wolves more than us is weird. Last time I played with him, I disagreed with him but he kept giving me really innocent vibes which hasn't happened in this game.
Lommy. I keep flip-flopping on her. I understand the people who say she isn't being herself... but she isn't that different either, and why would she bus Boro if she thought they were baddies together?
wilwa. Not enough substance to form an opinion. What I've seen looks innocent, but see what I just said about her a couple of posts ago - she's capable of fooling anyone.
Mith. I honestly don't know about her. She always looks innocent to me, but people have been suspicious of her voting etc so I'm not confident enough to consider her totally innocent.
Nessa. I don't see why all this suspicion, but she hasn't done much to make herself look innocent.
Angu. I wasn't able to decide where to put him so he's quite literally here. I find it impossible to read him. I'd like to go through his posts but I have to leave for class in nine hours and I'd also like to get some sleep.

DEAD
Mänwe. Innocent enough, but why did he vote for himself instead of Nogrod? I will probably learn this toNight, but it will be too late.
Nogrod. Cobbler or wolf.
BG. Assuming ordo for now.
Fea. Innocent.

satansaloser2005 · 01-30-2011, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

BG. Assuming ordo for now.

Then why the modly note at the end of yesterDay? Or did I miss something?

Sorry, kids, but I've given up on the epic recap. I'll work on a post to hop up with come toMorrow at Dawn (whatever thread I may be relegated to at that time) but for now I'll just hop in with commentary here and there.

As of now, I'll be voting for Nessa. She never really got better in my eyes. >.<

Aganzir · 01-30-2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Save more people or bring us more information? It’s up to us to decide which is more valuable.

No. If Glorfindel is killed now and comes back, there's very little new information he can give you and the wolves will grab the first opportunity to kill him for good. If he waits till later (before revealing, at least) till a lot more people are dead, he will be much more useful.

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The seer dreaming the dead is just as useful as them dreaming the living. If we could figure out a way to keep a steady information flow, I think a dead seer could be just as useful as a living one.

Yes, at least when we're looking for connections between people. But if we want to lynch people, a living seer is better.

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I’m not yet sure what I think about the whole Nog reveal thing

He was lying. You'll see why when you read further, but there's absolutely no way he was telling the truth.

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Who are you and what have you done with Agan?

You mean, with the Agan who usually advises the gifteds herself?

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I don't get why my thinking her innocent is so suspicious.

Because I think there's little reason to think her innocent, but I won't argue against gut-feelings.

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Yes but even when she's here she's not funny. *grumble grumble*

Ahaha you're never happy now aren't you!

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Then why the modly note at the end of yesterDay? Or did I miss something?

Whatever she was, she isn't anymore.

satansaloser2005 · 01-30-2011, 06:56 PM

Agan's above post is full of win. That is all.

And yeah, I know BG is nothing now, but she clearly was before, at least by my reckoning.

01-30-2011, 01:22 PM	#1
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	I'm sorry Lommy, when did I hint at you? I only said that I thought your paranoia was due to having your bororadar being flushed down the toilet because of the previous two games, but I wasn't going to write that off as the reason. Now supposedly I'm hinting to you? Umm...where? You came up with a completely bogus theory that I'm the cobbler because I said "steering" and that is close to "seering." Now you're just running with it declaring I'm a cobbler. And quite frankly, I'm sick of the bogus suspicions that have been thrown all around by phantom, sally, Lottie and now you Lommy. Granted, I realize I'm totally an untrustworthy and tricksy person, and normally with just the baseless suspicions I ignore it. Maybe I should, but it appears to be happening all to frequently right now and by people who I wouldn't expect would just throw out indefensible accusations that can be summed up as... "I have a fb impression of Boro" (Nog) "Boro's suspicious. I'm voting for him." (sally) "I think Boro looks the worst." (phantom) "Boro said steering! That's like saying seering! Cobbler!" (Lommy) Come on Lommy, you know I say "see" all the time and know that's never a seer hint, it's just a word I always use. Now apparently I can't say steer without it being some kind of hint. __________________ Fenris Penguin

01-30-2011, 02:31 PM	#4
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	I'd like to officially add Bobbler to the glossary. Okieday, kids, I'm back. I have many things to do while on the webs, but I'll read through the thread and try to make some sense from this chaos. And Shasta? I'm glad to have you back, my defrosted darling. <3 __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

01-30-2011, 02:25 PM	#5
A Little Green Leaf-clad Lady Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,571	Aganzir - Beren, obviously. I heart her for her trick yesterDay. Shasta - Lúthien, obviously. Glirdan - He struck me as a likely Cobbler early on, saying that Shasta behaved the same way he did as a Seer. I still think Glirdy might be a Cobbler though there hasn't been new points to that direction. So not sure. Elra - I seriously want to take a look at her. Nerwen - She's always difficult to read but I'm leaning towards an innocent Nerwen at the moment. Loslote - Still leaning innocent. Wilwa - Another I need a look at. Legate - Nothing alarming this far, he seems his usual innocent self. Lommy - Was suspicious on Day 1, okay on Day 2, and now my alarms are going off again. I think she's grasping at straws with her suspicion of Boro, and seems overall nervous. Nessa - Another I feel bad about. Her Legate vote was fishy, and I'm not sure what to make of her phantom-vote either. Seems awfully easy to me. Sally - I might want to take a look at her, too. the phantom - Leaning innocent. Boro - I don't have much on him, either way. Mithalwen - Still baffles me a lot. Could be anything. Anguirel - Likewise. Argh. I'm not happy with how many people I have no idea about. The way this is going, my vote will probably be for Lommy or Nessa. I'd like to take a look at some of our less vocal players before voting though. EDIT: x-ed with Boro and Glirdy __________________ "But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created."

01-30-2011, 05:03 PM	#6
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Master Phantom has been held up, and will not be back until later this evening. And now back to the massive reread. I'm currently still on page three. Help me. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

01-30-2011, 05:51 PM	#7
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Since someone had mentioned that a different code of lists might be interesting for a change (though personally, I have never been using the dull "black and white" scheme, but a more colorful one), I thought of this (and those who know, know): belonging to the Coastal Seas: Shasta and Agan - lovers free-lands (innocent-looking): Greenie border-lands (not sure, but leaning more innocent): wilwa Mith - though I feel like she, too, has been omitted, at least by me; I have the feeling, however, that she hasn't been really commenting in much of a "relationship"-way, like, not expressing very much thoughts about particular players, but more like just always replying to somebody and voting in the way that it does not give much info either. wilderness (unsure about): Glirdan Elronhubbard Nerwen - I have actually looked through her posts, generally, but I cannot make up my mind on her now - will possibly need to check her again later when I feel more up to the task double wildernesses (something in between these two): Boro, though now when I was looking back at the thread, I am somehow getting more suspicious of him because of his general behavior - he looks kind of more like hiding something, a bit sneaky in the general approach, sort of giving the feeling that he knows more than he should. shadow-lands (Cobblers/Wolves): Loslote Lommy Anguirel - who is actually more likely to be a Wolf than a Cobbler, but then, he is not as suspicious as those listed below dark-domains (most likely Wolves, or more like Wolves than Cobblers): Nessa Phantom Since Nessa has already gained a vote, I might go for her. But I'll see yet if I haven't crossposted with anybody or anything... EDIT: no, I didn't. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

01-30-2011, 06:13 PM	#8
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Okay, not going to speculate about it... also noting, now Lommy's last post actually did look a bit better to me (more like her normal self). ++Nessa Good Night. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

01-30-2011, 06:35 PM	#9
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	GUILTY Green. She feels too smooth, if you know what I mean, and there's something fishy about her voting (she seems to be choosing the easy path). I am concerned about her. ed. Slipping under my radar, except for the bad-looking first post on day 2 (incidentally, I think it was Greenie who first brought it up, or if not first she's the one I remember). Lottie. Feels slightly off although not as badly as on day 1. Boro. Out of him and Lommy, he looks worse. It does look like he was trying to hint at her, and now that she's suspecting him because of it, trying to save his face. INNOCENT sally. I thought her innocent on day 1 and little has changed since, mainly because she hasn't posted much. I could have put her down as 'Either' but I would have felt bad about my innocent list being so short. Glirdan. Saying Shasta reminded him of Seertanis doesn't necessarily make him evil in my opinion. His posts look genuine to me... but I am incredibly bad at reading Glirdy. Nerwen. Has done nothing to merit suspicion so she's here although I know how good a baddie she can be. phanty. There are things which speak in his favour (his day 1 vote working to prevent a potential multiple lynch, his points against Nog yesterday, etc). I am not convinced of his innocence but he looks good enough for now, and besides he won't be my problem after today. EITHER Legate. Tending innocent, but his insistence about a cobbler lynch benefiting the wolves more than us is weird. Last time I played with him, I disagreed with him but he kept giving me really innocent vibes which hasn't happened in this game. Lommy. I keep flip-flopping on her. I understand the people who say she isn't being herself... but she isn't that different either, and why would she bus Boro if she thought they were baddies together? wilwa. Not enough substance to form an opinion. What I've seen looks innocent, but see what I just said about her a couple of posts ago - she's capable of fooling anyone. Mith. I honestly don't know about her. She always looks innocent to me, but people have been suspicious of her voting etc so I'm not confident enough to consider her totally innocent. Nessa. I don't see why all this suspicion, but she hasn't done much to make herself look innocent. Angu. I wasn't able to decide where to put him so he's quite literally here. I find it impossible to read him. I'd like to go through his posts but I have to leave for class in nine hours and I'd also like to get some sleep. DEAD Mänwe. Innocent enough, but why did he vote for himself instead of Nogrod? I will probably learn this toNight, but it will be too late. Nogrod. Cobbler or wolf. BG. Assuming ordo for now. Fea. Innocent. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle. Last edited by Aganzir; 01-30-2011 at 06:35 PM. Reason: xed since my last

01-30-2011, 06:56 PM	#12
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Agan's above post is full of win. That is all. And yeah, I know BG is nothing now, but she clearly was before, at least by my reckoning. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.