Tol-in-Gaurhoth CIII: Big Magic in Middle Earth Arcane Encampment (Game Thread)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Okay I know I called it a truce already but don't say I didn't say it: if Boro dies and turns out to be innocent, Shasta has sure tried to make himself look good with his couple of last posts.

I'm probably posting after deadline, but wow, Lommy, when did you get so mean?

[satansaloser2005]

My sweet Boro. What have you done?

(No. Seriously. What the heck happened here? Boro's innocent, by the way.)

[satansaloser2005]

No magic took place this night.

Day begins early. Please feel free to discuss.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Does that mean night's over and done with? Early. Odd.

Anyway, yes, I'm the Seer, yes, Eonwe's a wolf, yes, I'd dreamt Boro innocent, and yes, I'm soundly irritated with the lot of you.

[Thinlómien]

Seriously.

What. The. [something censored].

Here I was like 80% certain Eönwë was the seer.

Great.

Now I must think, but given how well it appears to have gone in this game this far, I'm not sure it will be of any help.


PS. Also last Night what the [again censored], I hope that was something positive (ie. a ranger save) rather than negative!

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Does that mean night's over and done with? Early. Odd.

Anyway, yes, I'm the Seer, yes, Eonwe's a wolf, yes, I'd dreamt Boro innocent, and yes, I'm soundly irritated with the lot of you.

Sorry. I would have voted Eonwe yesterDay, but it was already too late to save Boro by then, so I wanted to keep my cards close.

I'd thought Lottie was the Seer...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Yes, well, I would have said something earlier, but I really hadn't thought that bandwagon would pick up quite the speed that it did. Irritating.

[Thinlómien]

Well even if this was a wolf ploy I fail to see what great damage following Shasta would do. Flushing out the real seer, yes, but with any decent chance s/he'd have quite a lot of information for us anyway, and we're not yet in the point of the game were numbers have great importance, so I can't really see the point of a wolf doing a fake reveal just now.

I will reread toMorrow and maybe I'll get a hallelujah revelation that Shasta's lying, but now it does seem to make much more sense to take his reveal at face value, although personally I'm not too happy about this because *grumble grumble grumble* it's quite sour to admit I've been basically wrong about everything.

On the plus side, we got a wolf. I guess that's more important than my pride. And if Eönwë indeed is a wolf, yesterDay's events look all the more interesting. I will have a look at that too tomorrow, but now I'm going to sleep (if I can fall asleep despite the explosions happening in my brain right now.


PS. One last thing to address now: Shasta, I definitely did not mean to offend you yesterDay and I'm sorry if I accidentally did. From my perspective, your posting just looked like you're attaching yourself to an innocent so you can look better the next Day - too bad it seems you knew Boro was innocent because you were the seer, not because you were a wolf.

PPS. Speaking of which, if something makes me feel better right now it's that at least we went for Boro yesterDay instead of Shasta whom I wanted to lynch. (If you think of it, it's quite ironic, I was thinking I'm voting Boro to make sure the seer doesn't die - and then it worked, not because the other lynch candidate was the seer though, but because my top suspect whom I decided not to vote that Day was the seer. )


edit: xed with Shasta
edit2: and with Copper, 'downs is messing up with me again

[Shastanis Althreduin]

It may be a few hours before I make it back to a computer, so I'm going to go ahead and get this out of the way -

++Eonwe

I also hope to do some rereading of yesterday.

[Eönwë]

Ok, well, this has gotten interesting.

Firstly, Shasta is a liar. I suppose it's because I know my own identity, but I don't find his tone convincing.

So, I suppose, as an innocent I can't really refute his claim well, but at least I know that at least now I'll be able to say what I think without needing to defend myself for the rest of the Day, because I know, unless there's anything particularly glaring, the logical thing would be to lynch me.

[Eönwë]

Also, bear this in mind: once I'm dead, the player list looks like this:

Shasta [S]
Kath
Nerwen
Cop
McCaber
Lottie
Greenie
Echo
Lommy

That means that after their Night kill, it will be 2:6.


Ok, so you we react all depends on the Seer. The problem is that we haven't been told whether or not the Seer can tell the difference between Saruman and the other sorcerers. So, these are the possibilities as I see them (excluding special circumstances like saves, hunts and lover findings):


1. Seer has not dreamt of a sorcerer
You have to kill Shasta. Better to kill a known wolf than chase after an unknown. And then:

A. Shasta is Saruman. You only need to hunt down the last wolf. Ratio is 1:6.

B. Shasta is the other sorcerer. By the next morning, the ratio is 2:4, which means that the village has to guess correctly that day.



2. Seer has dreamt of Saruman
You kill Saruman. Hope it's not Shasta.


3. Seer has dreamt of a sorcerer

A. We know it's not Saruman (after Sally confirms):
1. It's not Shasta- kill Shasta.
2. It's Shasta- kill Shasta, since he's the only known wolf.

B. We don't know whether it's Saruman or not (after Sally confirms):
1. It's Shasta- Same as 1A
2. It's not Shasta
a. The wolves know this - they're playing this sort of game with the village.
b. The wolves don't know this - Given that the other option is a possibility too, it's probably more likely that it's not Shasta.


4. Seer has dreamt of both
If Saruman's identity is unknown, the village is forced to play the wolves' game.


edit: fixed wording

[Eönwë]

So, whatever the case, if the real Seer has found the other sorcerer, it's probably best to step out now (anyway, even if this is all an elaborate lie, just replace Shasta's name with mine. It's the same principle).

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Firstly, Shasta is a liar. I suppose it's because I know my own identity, but I don't find his tone convincing.

Eönwë, if you're innocent here, would you be willing to actually say what your role is?

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

Eönwë, if you're innocent here, would you be willing to actually say what your role is?

Just an ordinary boring villager.