WW CVI: Tol-in-Westeros Game Thread

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Copper

Our Wilwa the Three-Eyed Ravenbeing zapped on Night 2 is the worst thing that could have happened. 18 people left, of which there are 2 lovers, 3 lions, and 13 innocents. It's also unfortunate that the 3 we've lost were talkative.

I'm never too fond of excessive lamentations over whoever died, and the tone of this particular one rubs me the wrong way.

Originally Posted by Kit, re: Gal

Though her death could have been a random choice because she didn't really mention any lions. In which case Volo and Mac look decent.

Didn't mention any lions? Meaning what?

Originally Posted by Encai

As I said before, I strongly feel that one Lion (not more) was in on the Skip bandwagon yesterDay. Loslote was first, so I don't think it's her.

Not sure about this - Lottie's vote was, in a way, even safer than those in the middle of a bandwagon. Skip was a very easy target in many ways.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Eönwë aka the King-under-the-Radar

This pretty much made my day.


EDIT: x-ed with Nerwen

[A Little Green]

Am I right in that the votes this far are

Cop – Eomer
Eomer – Inzil
Lottie – Inzil (2)
Nerwen - Mac

?

[Macalaure]

The kills seem to point towards lions/lovers that were relatively comfortable on Day One, so with that in mind: a list!

Hodor.
Gil
Greenie
Rikae
Kitanna
Volo

Hodor?
Copper - Sweetly and soundly sleeping under my radar.
Nogrod - All helpful and reasonable, but I can't make myself trust him.
Eonwe - Nothing sticks out as suspicious, except the vote.
Boro - Boro?
Loslote - Reasonable, except her suspicion of me, but I might be biased about that.
Sally - Sally?
Encai - Sweetly and soundly sleeping under my radar.
Nerwen - All helpful and reasonable, but I can't make myself trust her. (wrote this before seeing her vote, might re-evaluate)

Hodor!
Inzil - See above.
Wyth - Won't vote for him toDay, but I'm still wary.
Eomer - Just going along with other people's suspicions here, I know, but he has been playing it safe.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

However though the Skip waggon was clearly not *needed* to save anyone, it may still have been that the Lions got it going because one of their number was under suspicion. It may also be that the Mac waggon happened because the Lions felt it was now safe to vote a comrade.

The Skip waggon was already quite under way before I got under more serious suspicion (after Greenie's post), so the first part doesn't make sense.
If I was a lion and any other lions thought it was safe to vote for me yesterDay, I'd have to do some roarin' at them during the Night. That was definitely too close for comfort. Also, Greenie and Nogrod put some serious points under their votes - not very lion-on-lion.

[Macalaure]

EDIT: I realize that Inzil doesn't go together with "the lions were probably comfortable". I'll look up "consistent" in the dictionary some time.

[Rikae]

For reasons previously mentioned:

++Encaitare

[Thinlómien]

If Greenie's tally was correct, we now have

Cop – Eomer
Eomer – Inzil
Lottie – Inzil (2)
Nerwen - Mac
Rikae - Encai
Kitanna - Encai (2)

and 11 people left to vote.


edit: xed with Nog

[Thinlómien]

Wavering between Encai and Kit...

Inzil is a better choice than Mac, but not really too keen on either.


edit: xed with a bunch again

[Nogrod]

HAha. On specualting Lommy's vote yesterDay... she herself even said this

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Inzil is a better choice than Mac, but not really too keen on either.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

The kills seem to point towards lions/lovers that were relatively comfortable on Day One, so with that in mind: a list!

Hodor.
Gil
Greenie
Rikae
Kitanna
Volo

Hodor?
Copper - Sweetly and soundly sleeping under my radar.
Nogrod - All helpful and reasonable, but I can't make myself trust him.
Eonwe - Nothing sticks out as suspicious, except the vote.
Boro - Boro?
Loslote - Reasonable, except her suspicion of me, but I might be biased about that.
Sally - Sally?
Encai - Sweetly and soundly sleeping under my radar.
Nerwen - All helpful and reasonable, but I can't make myself trust her. (wrote this before seeing her vote, might re-evaluate)

Hodor!
Inzil - See above.
Wyth - Won't vote for him toDay, but I'm still wary.
Eomer - Just going along with other people's suspicions here, I know, but he has been playing it safe.

Very nice, but what about me?

And Greenie: good catch (again) about Kitanna! Can you proofread my thesis when I finally get around to writing it?

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Very nice, but what about me?

Ha! I copied the names from your list, so I wouldn't forget anyone.
Yeeeah... *cough*

Hodor?
Lommy - All helpful and reasonable, but I can't make myself trust her.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

And Greenie: good catch (again) about Kitanna! Can you proofread my thesis when I finally get around to writing it?

That was actually kind of mind-blowing - and I know I read the very same sentence earlier myself but didn't catch it...

Originally Posted by Kit

Though her death could have been a random choice because she didn't really mention any lions.

Now this would be a slip of the year indeed! I mean yeah, how does she know she didn't mention any lions unless she knew who they were aka being one herself?

Could it be this easy? Probably not...

But I'm going to go back and see whom she actually left without notice (the first part of her list everyone - mysef included - have kind of ignored as "not seerish").


EDIT: X'd like billions (didn't realize there was a new page already in full speed...)

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Mac

The Skip waggon was already quite under way before I got under more serious suspicion (after Greenie's post), so the first part doesn't make sense. If I was a lion and any other lions thought it was safe to vote for me yesterDay, I'd have to do some roarin' at them during the Night. That was definitely too close for comfort. Also, Greenie and Nogrod put some serious points under their votes - not very lion-on-lion.

Firstly, you had already come under some suspicion earlier. Secondly, I only said they might have thought it was safe. Thirdly, I wouldn't have expected either of those two to sound "very lion-on-lion" if in fact they were.

I don't claim that any of this actually proves you're a villain, mind you, I'm just explaining my vote. Okay?

EDIT: x'd since Mac at #275.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Lommy

And Greenie: good catch (again) about Kitanna! Can you proofread my thesis when I finally get around to writing it?

Hey, I didn't even register that! What the-?

EDIT:x'd with Kit.

[Nerwen]

Well, Kit, now that you're here-

Originally Posted by Greenie

Didn't mention any lions? Meaning what?

Indeed. Meaning what?

[Gil-Galad]

As much as I see the point to vote for Mac, i am always weary of day one bandwagons. Skip fell victim to it and Mac was really close. I am willing to give Mac one more day.

Zil does sit odd with me as well, but being rather talkative at the beginning and then getting some backlash.

I don't see enough from Eomer to make him a guilty person. Being quiet is almost as bad as talking a lot in these games.

Enca has been downplayed and helpful, to a point that flying under the radar is obvious.

I will think before i vote in the next couple minutes.

X'd with greenie

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, Kit, now that you're here-


Indeed. Meaning what?

I mean. That she was chosen because she didn't specifically mention any lions in her posts. So they chose her as a no trace kill.

Edit: just a theory on why her since what she said didn't look too seerish to me, with the exception of her Wilwa defense

[A Little Green]

Suspicious
Macalaure - His infamous "on your side" -slip notwithstanding, I'm uneasy about the way he explained it afterwards - yesterDay he tried shrugging it off with a "yikes" and a smiley, then returned to the issue again toDay with a nonchalant "I don't really know how that happened". I would have thought an innocent accidentally making what looks like a lion slip would have explained himself already yesterDay. Bold lion, or bold bear? Although why the bear would make such a show of himself goes beyond me.

Suspicious-ish
Coppermirror - A nagging gut-feeling from the phrasing of the "oh no, the Seer is dead" -comment, and the slightly shaky reasons behind the vote for Eomer.
Kitanna - Confuses me. I'm not sure what to make of her saying that Gal didn't mention any lions (although it's more than possible that I just didn't understand what she meant), and I agree with Lommy about the strangeness of people defending her so strongly when nobody really suspects her.
Lommy - She keeps making me laugh, but that aside, she acted quite oddly yesterDay. She seems a bit more like her normal self toDay, but her yesterDay's frivolous twitchiness still puzzles me. She hasn't been a wolf in ages so I'm thinking a possible Lommylion who overdid "acting like a normal, cheerful Lommy despite being a bad guy this time, mwaha" yesterDay and has had time now to get her bearings and calm down.
Loslote - As I said, I don't really agree that the placement of her vote as the first of the Skipwagon makes her look more innocent. I don't think so. It was a really easy vote as Skip had made a good target of himself and, if I recall correctly, people had already started voicing suspicions of him by the time Lottie cast her vote. On the other hand, some of her other posts have given off a slight innocentish vibe.

Kingdom-under-the-Reindeer/no idea
Inziladun
Eönwë
Boromir88
Nerwen
WythDryden
Gil-Galad
Sally

Leaning innocent
Eomer - Could be a really composed Eomerlion (incidentally, why does every name sound epic when you add "lion" to the end?), but I think his response to Nog's grilling question looked innocent.
Encaitare - I'm actually not sure if I've ever played with her before, but I've seen nothing to make me alarmed this far. I disagree with her on some points, but her reasoning strikes me as innocentish.
Rikae - I seem to disagree with her about a lot of things, but I also feel pretty okay with her at the moment. Sharp, reasonable, and more laid-back than I think a Rikaelion (honestly now, that sounds like the name of a David Eddings trilogy!) would be.
Nogrod - No alarm bells. (I wonder if this means he's in fact a Noglion since I always suspect him when he's innocent... )
Volo - Still feeling pretty good about him.


EDIT: Oh my, x-ed with a host!

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Secondly, I only said they might have thought it was safe. Thirdly, I wouldn't have expected either of those two to sound "very lion-on-lion" if in fact they were.

But if you state it, you must have something in mind for it, otherwise it's meaningless, which is of course suspicious. So, if not Greenie or Nogrod, and certainly not Galadriel, this only leaves Wyth as possible lion-on-lion?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I'm just explaining my vote. Okay?

I understand. But if you're voting for me and I don't think the explanation makes sense, is it unreasonable for me to point at it?

Originally Posted by Green

I would have thought an innocent accidentally making what looks like a lion slip would have explained himself already yesterDay.

I was surprised nobody came back to it toDay...
Ok, back to it then. When you first pointed it out, I just thought it was funny. Then everybody ran off with it. I would have explained it right then, but didn't have the time. Whether toDay or yesterDay, the result would have been the same, though: I would have looked at it closer, wondered what I actually did there, and tried to figure it out with middling success.

[Inziladun]

It really looks odd the way this Day started with "Mac could be the Bear/a Lion", and yet now the focus has been moved onto me.

I'm at the point now that I think knowing Mac's role could give some useful info.

++Mac

x/d with Wyth

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Didn't mention any lions? Meaning what?

Seemed to me that she meant "it's possible she didn't mention any lions which would make her a random choice". In fact, that's the only way the stuff about Mac and Volo makes sense.