WW CVI: Tol-in-Westeros Game Thread

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I have to point out that I was the first to cast suspicion on skip, even though I was the first vote.

You weren't. I was.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Tsk tsk - trying to neutralize our hunter for no good reason (a known ordo on Day 1? Pretty useless. A known ordo late in the game could be very valuable, as could a hunter kill) and now making the easiest of all easy votes?

That is also beside the point - if you decided the wagon looked fishy, why did you proceed to jump on it?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Rikae

You weren't. I was.

Ok. I was thinking only of the skip voters who preceded me.

Originally Posted by Rikae

That is also beside the point - if you decided the wagon looked fishy, why did you proceed to jump on it?

Mainly because I was pressed for time and had no better ideas.

[Macalaure]

Some good points were raised against Inzil, so I had to go take a look myself.

Originally Posted by Inzil

When I saw the voting yesterDay. I thought Wilwa's looked the worst , but now I might say Kit.

So...
- Your own suspicion aside, you voted with people you thought were sketchy, however:
- You did not mention any of this when you did vote.
- You did not post again after your vote, and you crossed your vote with Wilwa, so, unless you were lurking (after voting a whole hour before the deadline!), you did not actually see much of the voting, at least not yesterDay.

Originally Posted by Inzil

I could see the placement of his vote as something a Lion would do, but I do think it would have been more desirable for one to have placed a bandwagon vote in the middle.

You don't say.

Originally Posted by Inzil

I have to point out that I was the first to cast suspicion on skip, even though I was the first vote.

Where?
Rikae first raises points against Skip in #75, and Loslote submits the first vote for him in #83. You didn't post in between them. You talk a bit about him in #51, but you can't call that casting suspicion.
I thought at first, maybe he came up with his own points and didn't realize somebody else already gave them - happens - but you can't make such a mistake honestly anymore after the first vote was cast.

Originally Posted by Inzil

Ok. I was thinking only of the skip voters who preceded me.

I don't think this makes sense.


Defend yourself, sir!

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Copper

Our Wilwa the Three-Eyed Ravenbeing zapped on Night 2 is the worst thing that could have happened. 18 people left, of which there are 2 lovers, 3 lions, and 13 innocents. It's also unfortunate that the 3 we've lost were talkative.

I'm never too fond of excessive lamentations over whoever died, and the tone of this particular one rubs me the wrong way.

Originally Posted by Kit, re: Gal

Though her death could have been a random choice because she didn't really mention any lions. In which case Volo and Mac look decent.

Didn't mention any lions? Meaning what?

Originally Posted by Encai

As I said before, I strongly feel that one Lion (not more) was in on the Skip bandwagon yesterDay. Loslote was first, so I don't think it's her.

Not sure about this - Lottie's vote was, in a way, even safer than those in the middle of a bandwagon. Skip was a very easy target in many ways.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Eönwë aka the King-under-the-Radar

This pretty much made my day.


EDIT: x-ed with Nerwen

[A Little Green]

Am I right in that the votes this far are

Cop – Eomer
Eomer – Inzil
Lottie – Inzil (2)
Nerwen - Mac

?

[Macalaure]

The kills seem to point towards lions/lovers that were relatively comfortable on Day One, so with that in mind: a list!

Hodor.
Gil
Greenie
Rikae
Kitanna
Volo

Hodor?
Copper - Sweetly and soundly sleeping under my radar.
Nogrod - All helpful and reasonable, but I can't make myself trust him.
Eonwe - Nothing sticks out as suspicious, except the vote.
Boro - Boro?
Loslote - Reasonable, except her suspicion of me, but I might be biased about that.
Sally - Sally?
Encai - Sweetly and soundly sleeping under my radar.
Nerwen - All helpful and reasonable, but I can't make myself trust her. (wrote this before seeing her vote, might re-evaluate)

Hodor!
Inzil - See above.
Wyth - Won't vote for him toDay, but I'm still wary.
Eomer - Just going along with other people's suspicions here, I know, but he has been playing it safe.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

However though the Skip waggon was clearly not *needed* to save anyone, it may still have been that the Lions got it going because one of their number was under suspicion. It may also be that the Mac waggon happened because the Lions felt it was now safe to vote a comrade.

The Skip waggon was already quite under way before I got under more serious suspicion (after Greenie's post), so the first part doesn't make sense.
If I was a lion and any other lions thought it was safe to vote for me yesterDay, I'd have to do some roarin' at them during the Night. That was definitely too close for comfort. Also, Greenie and Nogrod put some serious points under their votes - not very lion-on-lion.

[Macalaure]

EDIT: I realize that Inzil doesn't go together with "the lions were probably comfortable". I'll look up "consistent" in the dictionary some time.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

The kills seem to point towards lions/lovers that were relatively comfortable on Day One, so with that in mind: a list!

Hodor.
Gil
Greenie
Rikae
Kitanna
Volo

Hodor?
Copper - Sweetly and soundly sleeping under my radar.
Nogrod - All helpful and reasonable, but I can't make myself trust him.
Eonwe - Nothing sticks out as suspicious, except the vote.
Boro - Boro?
Loslote - Reasonable, except her suspicion of me, but I might be biased about that.
Sally - Sally?
Encai - Sweetly and soundly sleeping under my radar.
Nerwen - All helpful and reasonable, but I can't make myself trust her. (wrote this before seeing her vote, might re-evaluate)

Hodor!
Inzil - See above.
Wyth - Won't vote for him toDay, but I'm still wary.
Eomer - Just going along with other people's suspicions here, I know, but he has been playing it safe.

Very nice, but what about me?

And Greenie: good catch (again) about Kitanna! Can you proofread my thesis when I finally get around to writing it?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Mac

The Skip waggon was already quite under way before I got under more serious suspicion (after Greenie's post), so the first part doesn't make sense. If I was a lion and any other lions thought it was safe to vote for me yesterDay, I'd have to do some roarin' at them during the Night. That was definitely too close for comfort. Also, Greenie and Nogrod put some serious points under their votes - not very lion-on-lion.

Firstly, you had already come under some suspicion earlier. Secondly, I only said they might have thought it was safe. Thirdly, I wouldn't have expected either of those two to sound "very lion-on-lion" if in fact they were.

I don't claim that any of this actually proves you're a villain, mind you, I'm just explaining my vote. Okay?

EDIT: x'd since Mac at #275.

[A Little Green]

Suspicious
Macalaure - His infamous "on your side" -slip notwithstanding, I'm uneasy about the way he explained it afterwards - yesterDay he tried shrugging it off with a "yikes" and a smiley, then returned to the issue again toDay with a nonchalant "I don't really know how that happened". I would have thought an innocent accidentally making what looks like a lion slip would have explained himself already yesterDay. Bold lion, or bold bear? Although why the bear would make such a show of himself goes beyond me.

Suspicious-ish
Coppermirror - A nagging gut-feeling from the phrasing of the "oh no, the Seer is dead" -comment, and the slightly shaky reasons behind the vote for Eomer.
Kitanna - Confuses me. I'm not sure what to make of her saying that Gal didn't mention any lions (although it's more than possible that I just didn't understand what she meant), and I agree with Lommy about the strangeness of people defending her so strongly when nobody really suspects her.
Lommy - She keeps making me laugh, but that aside, she acted quite oddly yesterDay. She seems a bit more like her normal self toDay, but her yesterDay's frivolous twitchiness still puzzles me. She hasn't been a wolf in ages so I'm thinking a possible Lommylion who overdid "acting like a normal, cheerful Lommy despite being a bad guy this time, mwaha" yesterDay and has had time now to get her bearings and calm down.
Loslote - As I said, I don't really agree that the placement of her vote as the first of the Skipwagon makes her look more innocent. I don't think so. It was a really easy vote as Skip had made a good target of himself and, if I recall correctly, people had already started voicing suspicions of him by the time Lottie cast her vote. On the other hand, some of her other posts have given off a slight innocentish vibe.

Kingdom-under-the-Reindeer/no idea
Inziladun
Eönwë
Boromir88
Nerwen
WythDryden
Gil-Galad
Sally

Leaning innocent
Eomer - Could be a really composed Eomerlion (incidentally, why does every name sound epic when you add "lion" to the end?), but I think his response to Nog's grilling question looked innocent.
Encaitare - I'm actually not sure if I've ever played with her before, but I've seen nothing to make me alarmed this far. I disagree with her on some points, but her reasoning strikes me as innocentish.
Rikae - I seem to disagree with her about a lot of things, but I also feel pretty okay with her at the moment. Sharp, reasonable, and more laid-back than I think a Rikaelion (honestly now, that sounds like the name of a David Eddings trilogy!) would be.
Nogrod - No alarm bells. (I wonder if this means he's in fact a Noglion since I always suspect him when he's innocent... )
Volo - Still feeling pretty good about him.


EDIT: Oh my, x-ed with a host!

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Secondly, I only said they might have thought it was safe. Thirdly, I wouldn't have expected either of those two to sound "very lion-on-lion" if in fact they were.

But if you state it, you must have something in mind for it, otherwise it's meaningless, which is of course suspicious. So, if not Greenie or Nogrod, and certainly not Galadriel, this only leaves Wyth as possible lion-on-lion?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I'm just explaining my vote. Okay?

I understand. But if you're voting for me and I don't think the explanation makes sense, is it unreasonable for me to point at it?

Originally Posted by Green

I would have thought an innocent accidentally making what looks like a lion slip would have explained himself already yesterDay.

I was surprised nobody came back to it toDay...
Ok, back to it then. When you first pointed it out, I just thought it was funny. Then everybody ran off with it. I would have explained it right then, but didn't have the time. Whether toDay or yesterDay, the result would have been the same, though: I would have looked at it closer, wondered what I actually did there, and tried to figure it out with middling success.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Didn't mention any lions? Meaning what?

Seemed to me that she meant "it's possible she didn't mention any lions which would make her a random choice". In fact, that's the only way the stuff about Mac and Volo makes sense.

[Kitanna]

++Enca

Just got super busy at work, but the short of it
1) she's been just vocal enough to appear helpful, but not so vocal as to draw too much attention
2) she seemed very chummy D1, especially with Eomer
3) her vote for Nogrod looked very safe to me

edit: cross-posted with everyone since my last post