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Old 09-21-2005, 01:16 PM   #1
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Probably only in one or two specific ways....

Gandalf's speech about Gollum completely and irrevocably changed my views on Capital Punishment.

It encouraged the "Tookish" side of my nature to win over the "Baggins" (although part of the responsibility for that was my aunt who said when my sister and cousins all married aged 21/22 that I would have to be the family traveller.....I will have to remind her of that the next time she suggests it is about time I settled )
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Old 04-12-2008, 10:28 AM   #2
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Look -- a eucatastrophe! An unexpected party for the newer set to party on.
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Old 04-12-2008, 08:24 PM   #3
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Thanks for excavating this thread Beebs.

I don't know about changing or effecting my view on life (or anything beyond) but given that I ended up writing my Master's thesis on Tolkien and that I'm now trying to retool my entire existence so that I can be a writer rather than an academic it would seem that having read the works and admired the writer has guided me in ways I never would have expected when I first encountered Middle-earth at the ripe age of 11.
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Old 04-13-2008, 08:22 AM   #4
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Thanks for excavating this thread Beebs.
I did it because of Mister Underhill's great sense of vocabulary. . . .

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Also it was a chance to use the word Weltanschauung, which I never pass up. Try it. It's fun. Weltanschauung.
. . . . and because we have more German-speaking Downers now than in the past and I wanted to see what sense they would make of a word which has sounded 'round the world. Really, no one has taken up my alternate suggestion of Sturm und Drang, which I continue to think has Tolkienesque potential.


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I don't know about changing or effecting my view on life (or anything beyond) but given that I ended up writing my Master's thesis on Tolkien and that I'm now trying to retool my entire existence so that I can be a writer rather than an academic it would seem that having read the works and admired the writer has guided me in ways I never would have expected when I first encountered Middle-earth at the ripe age of 11.
Now this raises an interesting question. Did you take up this ring-work, so to speak, voluntarily, or were you pre-destined to be the bearer of this guidance? Were you free to reject Tolkien's influence or not?
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Old 04-13-2008, 08:29 PM   #5
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Now this raises an interesting question. Did you take up this ring-work, so to speak, voluntarily, or were you pre-destined to be the bearer of this guidance? Were you free to reject Tolkien's influence or not?
Tra-la-la-la-laleee to you.
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Look -- a eucatastrophe! An unexpected party for the newer set to party on.
Hmm... I had to look up eucatastrophe but knew Weltanschauung.... since I have degrees in literature but only a failed O level in German that has now affected my Weltanschauung .. :P
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Hmm... I had to look up eucatastrophe but knew Weltanschauung.... since I have degrees in literature but only a failed O level in German that has now affected my Weltanschauung .. :P
I do hope you looked eucatastrophe up in the right source--Tolkien's OFS. He does that to us all the time, though, doesn't he, with his philological derivations and historical development of words.
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No Bethberry I didn't. That would be a slippery slope that might get to make an attempt on threads such as Canonicity...without the help of a sherpa... I looked it up on Wikipedia.
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Okay... Katastrophe

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1. overthrow, destruction of cities
2. metaph. of the extinction of a spirit of consecration
Add then the prefix eu which means good.

Whatever Tolkien says...
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a. Gr. katastrophe overturning, sudden turn, conclusion, f. kata-strephein to overturn, etc., f. kata down + strephein to turn.

1. ‘The change or revolution which produces the conclusion or final event of a dramatic piece’ (J.); the dénouement.
So neither the etymology nor the first definition requires the sudden turn to be for the worse (what Tolkien called "dyscatastrophe").
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