What did they think? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Rhod the Red · 02-03-2007, 03:40 PM

The Dark Forces always are shown to have contempt for eachother. No doubt the original Orcs working at Isengard felt a little insulted and undervalued by Saruman's creations.

Knight of Gondor · 02-03-2007, 08:40 PM

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what did these humans think about these ugly, filthy, disgusting creatures they fought some of their wars alongside?

Was not the evil in their hearts the same?

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Originally Posted by Lalwendë

The Bush and Blair alliance? Who's the evil one there? It's Politics.

I fundamentally disagree with that premise, but since this is not a political forum, I will not press the issue. Suffice to say, countries and their leaders uniting to combat evil groups that instigated a war through various unexpected attacks sounds more like the armies of the free lands of Middle Earth marching against the hoards of Mordor only because the Dark Lord made war on their lands.

Or, to quote a wise commander from Ithilien:

"War must be, while we defend our lives against a destroyer who would devour all; but I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend: the city of the Men of Numenor; and I would have her loved for her memory, her ancientry, her beauty, and her present wisdom. Not feared, save as men may fear the dignity of a man, old and wise."
The Two Towers: "The Window on the West."

goldfinger · 02-05-2007, 12:04 AM

I think we're looking too much at the political here. Look, Sauron was very good at manipulating others into following him, like for instance the Elves of Eregion, the Numenoreans, and the Haradrim and Easterlings. He filled them with a radical allegiance which was hard to break. So if we look at the facts and not too much outside of the box you get your answer. But that's just my knowledge of this subject.

Kuruharan · 02-05-2007, 06:11 PM

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Was not the evil in their hearts the same?

Perhaps, but that is not the point. In spite of the saying, cleanliness is not really next to godliness.

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He filled them with a radical allegiance which was hard to break.

And we get back to my question of how the orcs fit into the Haradrim and Easterling worldview...

02-03-2007, 03:40 PM	#1
Rhod the Red Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 257	The Dark Forces always are shown to have contempt for eachother. No doubt the original Orcs working at Isengard felt a little insulted and undervalued by Saruman's creations. __________________ Head of the Fifth Order of the Istari Tenure: Fourth Age(Year 1) - Present Currently operating in Melbourne, Australia

02-05-2007, 12:04 AM	#3
goldfinger Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: KC, Missouri Posts: 60	I think we're looking too much at the political here. Look, Sauron was very good at manipulating others into following him, like for instance the Elves of Eregion, the Numenoreans, and the Haradrim and Easterlings. He filled them with a radical allegiance which was hard to break. So if we look at the facts and not too much outside of the box you get your answer. But that's just my knowledge of this subject.