Lord Melkor Rightful Master of the Fates of Arda

[davem]

I don't know if this thread was intended to provoke anyone, but I don't have a problem if you want to read it that way - we had a long discussion about this kind of approach over on Novices & Newcomers 'Seems like Someone's Rooting for the Wrong Side'. Personally I'd find it difficult to sustain this approach to Morgoth/Sauron, but if it seems right to you, & makes sense, then go for it. Its fiction. Certainly its not the approach Tolkien would have wanted you to take to the story.

[The 1,000 Reader]

Originally Posted by Second of the Nine

I used to be a rabid supporter of Melkor and Sauron and their ilk, but not anymore. Why? Mainly because they were a lot of selfish ********.

Let's go back to Melkor's theme. Now, once I would have said this was a grand expression of creativity; Melkor was putting his rights of sub-creation to the test, being true to himself and not a slave. But really, playing that theme was just plain wrong. Let's think: creator vs. creation, who knows better? Now as much as you want to romanticise his rebellion, the fact of the matter remains plain: Melkor's will have mistakes in it while Eru's will not; or, assuming Eru is not perfect but only very powerful, it will logically have fewer mistakes because of his higher position.

Then, let's look at the results: Valinor vs. Utumno/Angband. Where would you rather live, honestly? Honestly now. We have our fun on this board talking about Elf-roasts and whatnot, but in all seriousness the realms of darkness were not nice places. They were filled with violence, filth, destruction and degradation. Where would you rather live, the Shire or Mordor? The Shire is a lovely place filled with kind folk who enjoy nothing more than eating and giving one another presents. Mordor is a militaristic society that runs on slave labor and is ruled by a megalomaniac.

The point of the above comparison is, who REALLY had a better plan for the world? The followers of Eru, or the followers of Melkor? His "rights" to follow his own plan notwithstanding, Melkor was a bloody evil idiot who, judging from the sort of places he produced, could not possibly have had anyone's best interests in mind, and he should have just sat down, shut up and played along with the rest.

Seriously, this is my favorite quote that's related to Tolkien.

Originally Posted by The 1,000 Reader

Seriously, this is my favorite quote that's related to Tolkien.

I'll ignore the parasite 1000 reader, like a dog has fleas he clings to the traitorous Second of the Nine, who then turns around and defies Melkor? This turn coat doesn't even know who they are. Certainly not Second of the Nine, a powerful and cunning master of stategy.
It is obvious that you have no understanding of the time before time so harken! and learn.
Who was it that made Melkor?
Who was it that gave unto him powers greater than any other Vala?
And whilst your new friends among whom Manwe is the chief, whom you will no doubt betray as soon as you did Melkor, aped only such themes as were programmed into them by Eru, Melkor above all, being kindled with the Flame Imperishable, was able to create themes of his own, and yea, through, but apart from the design of Eru was obligated by the His very existence, and by the Flame Imperishable, which is greater than Eru, to give birth to the mighty themes of His own making, whereby solely the glory of the music and the unfolding of the world derives it's glory. For what would the world be without Melkor's Theme? There would be no Lord of the Rings, after whom the mythology is named! It is not called Gandalf, wondering craven and lunitic, It is not called Ragged wildman strider, sneaker among the shadows, Lord of fifty beggers, It is not called Elrond live as far from the one to whom he slanders as he can, who has not dared come forth for 500 years, NO! It is named after the impetus of the whole - The Lord of the Rings! Sauron, emissary of Melkor! Whom even your own hermit king Mithrandir proclaims to be the true and only Lord of the Rings! With out Melkor, and his faithful and true servants Gandalf and you would have no reason for even existing. It is Melkor which gave you this, thankless and craven traitors you be! Melkor is the spring from which you flow and you curse him for it because it is not truly Melkor whom you hate but you yourselves, because in Melkor, your father, you see clearly that birth and strength of which Eru has denied you. You are unworthy. But because of your arrogance and folly you worship Eru! The one who open claims to have created Melkor and given him the divine inspiration to go forth into Arda, free from constraint, to do as he has done, to make themes of his own?
And yet, if Eru speak true, then the responsibility for all of what you claim as evil has it's foundation in Eru alone, but do you apply the responsibility to him? No! Thouest dare to blame Melkor? Who has spoke the truth all along? That he hath made valleys, and Eru's slaves filled them; Melkor hath made mountains, and Eru hath cast them down, burying under them and the sea all those poor innocent and unknowing peoples whom Eru doesn't even bother to mention! Because he knowith them not, For Melkor is their father, and givith them peace, and a life apart from the conflicts of the West, and yet, the Vala cannot let that be, and must drag these unknowing peasants into a fight of which they have no part or orgin, to make tools of them. Out of Pity for the Second Born of the Tyrant Eru, who defies the will of the Flame Imperishable, and gives death to those beings to whom in the design of Melkor should have life just such as they, being kindled with the Flame Imperishable; Melkor hath made a land apart, wherein these peoples might dwell in peace, and ever increase in power and freedom. A land wherein there is pleasant darkness, and the light of stars to comfort, and so the Vala cast upon them a bright light, which blinds the eyes of even their own slaves, so that the arrows of the blood-stained deserters might find sure mark. I will say no more.

[Thenamir]

Originally Posted by Neithan Tol Turambar

I will say no more.

Promises, promises. We can only hope.