Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXXVI Game Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mithalwen · 07-31-2007, 06:30 AM

++ The Saucepan Man

Reasons (as if you need them to follow)

the phantom · 07-31-2007, 06:39 AM

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Alive

CaptainofDespair
Gil-Galad
Holbytlass
Kath
Mithalwen
the phantom
The Saucepan Man

All right. We have votes from CoD, Holby, Mith, and SPM.

Kath and Gil don't seem to be here, which makes me the only vote left. And with the voting count at 3-1... that means the voting is over already. It doesn't matter which way I go.

the phantom · 07-31-2007, 06:48 AM

Kath and Gil's absence is worrying. On one hand, surely WWs would show up, right? But that would mean that Holby, Mith, and CoD are the WWs, and that there is nothing we can do about it.

On the other hand, if SPM turns out to be guilty, Kath and Gil will suddenly look very suspicious, and rightly so- and yet that would seem too easy. And naturally Mith will appear to be totally cleared since she voted for SPM when there was still a chance of saving him. But of course she could've just been betting on me voting for him as well. CoD will look very innocent...

the phantom · 07-31-2007, 06:55 AM

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Gil and Kath have posted twice each ..... such a lot to go on.....

Heh heh... yeah... it's like I said. Given that Day 1 triple-lynch gift, the odds are with the WWs, so if they stay quiet they will likely win.

As far as your reasoning for holding your vote- I can definitely understand that.

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you should vote phantom even if there is "no point"

Nah. Just let the clock run out.

I'm going back to bed. Sleepy....

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-31-2007, 06:59 AM

Looks like it's game over.

Hats off to you Holby.

the phantom · 07-31-2007, 06:59 AM

Kidding... I never planned on holding my vote.

I just wanted to see if Kath and Gil came running in to tie up the vote as soon as I announced my departure.

I guess not.

So let's put this out of reach.

++SPM

Kath · 07-31-2007, 07:21 AM

Argh! I'm so sorry! I completely forgot. Am I in time?

++SAUCE

Holby revealed and that's about as far as I've read. No one countered so she's the Seer and Sauce is a wolf.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 07-31-2007, 07:45 AM

Standing in Lalwendë's garden, Holby steps forward, eying nervously those around her. She never takes her eyes from Saucie. "I've never told you," she begins, "but I am the many-greats granddaughter of a celebrated Seer. I inherited, though, sadly, my dreams are rarely of much help. You see, those who I dream about tend to die immediately after. Legate... kicked it during a bit of idiocy on your part. Brinniel died in the night. Please, my friends, keep up tradition. I've dreamt of The Saucepan Man. And he is evil as only a wolf can be. You must kill him also."

She expects him to pounce, to leap for her throat and cut her down. Better yet, he proposes a counter-attack. "She's obviously lying."

Every villager laughs at him.

"What you've forgotten," says the phantom, "is that Holby is too sweet to manipulate people like that. She's the one who knows the marriage lore of the Rings, she's the one who cares for people's children... Though she would make a formidable enemy, it's not her style at all to be so brazen. Now if, say, you or I pretended to be a Seer to flush the real one, that would be believable. But it's Holby. Sweet Holby. Lovable Holby. It's cute that you thought your last ditch effort would work."

A woman screams as Spam's claws lengthen. "But it's daylight!"

The Saucepan Wolf lunges for Holby's throat, throwing aside villagers in his attempt to kill his accuser. Seer or not, she's turned the village against him.

"I think not!" cries the phantom, always one for drama, bravado, and showing off his savior complex to the delight of the ladies. He shoots The Wolfpan Man in the back of the head with a razor sharp arrow. Wolfpan falls with a resounding thud, twitching.

"He's still alive!" cries one.

"No he isn't." says the phantom casually. "It's just that my arrow is embedded in his nervous system."

Holby shivers mere inches from his outstretched arm. Every villager suspects she will not last the night. She hopes only for the ability to help the village once more.

Yet as though an enchantment is upon them, the villagers all retire to bed. Night is dangerous in these parts; the only safety is behind locked doors. And for one in their midst? A door will not be enough.

As each villager passes into his or her respective cottage, Kath runs forward, eying the setting sun with uncertainty. "Am I too late?"

"Yes." says a disembodied voice from the graveyard. "You are."

---

Dead

Night One: Boromir88 (scholar) and Fea (wife)
Day One: Legate (innocent), Durelin (innocent), Menel (innocent)
Night Two: Brinniel (innocent)
Day Two: Shasta (innocent)
Night Two: Lalwendë (innocent)
Day Three: The Saucepan Man (wolf)

Alive

CaptainofDespair
Gil-Galad
Holbytlass
Kath
Mithalwen
the phantom

Mithalwen · 07-31-2007, 06:42 AM

OK although I do believe him a wolf, the Pan Man is right in that I didn't want to vote hastily sinceI could and would return. Too often something unexpected arises and a fixed vote is not to be cast lightly (though I now hurl it with some force in Sauce's direction).

However I note that a lot of things that are now troubling him now about me and others aren't things that troubled him at the time. Bit late to be criticising my vote for Holby isn't it? I freely admitted it was a cheap shot but I had forgotten to apply my usual rule of thumb that "oddness" can be a product of giftedness as well as lycanthropy.

It is a pity that she will surely be lost to us tonight not only for her gifts but becasue the wolves will not be giving anything away by their choice. Since the kills so far have seemed "unobvious" it is reasonable to assume that others were possibly left alive as foils/ cover for the wolves. Assuming SPM's guilt, I imagine Phantom (if innocent and I ) were cover for him. There is surely a wolf among the quiet ...

I tend to think TP is innocent and I know I am so with Holby-seer two of Gil, Kath and COD must be wolves. Which is the hard part .... Kath is usually but not always more involved as a wolf but .....

Mithalwen · 07-31-2007, 06:45 AM

Gil and Kath have posted twice each ..... such a lot to go on.....

Holbytlass · 07-31-2007, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Phantom

It doesn't matter which way I go.

It still makes all the difference in this world. Where do you officially stand?

Mithalwen · 07-31-2007, 06:50 AM

Oh and Phantom, the reason I delayed is realted to one of the reasons I confessed to being a wolf in Sauce's game before anyone voted. If innocent and wolf alike don't have to think about their vote it leaves less trail.

By delaying my vote I kept open the possibility of Sauce's survival and hoped to force the quiet into action and speech.. it didn't quite work but heigh ho .. you should vote phantom even if there is "no point"

Mithalwen · 07-31-2007, 06:52 AM

I actually think CoD looks guilty but then .. I was assuming you are innocent TP... Perhaps I was wrong

07-31-2007, 06:30 AM	#1
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	++ The Saucepan Man Reasons (as if you need them to follow) __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-31-2007, 06:48 AM	#3
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Kath and Gil's absence is worrying. On one hand, surely WWs would show up, right? But that would mean that Holby, Mith, and CoD are the WWs, and that there is nothing we can do about it. On the other hand, if SPM turns out to be guilty, Kath and Gil will suddenly look very suspicious, and rightly so- and yet that would seem too easy. And naturally Mith will appear to be totally cleared since she voted for SPM when there was still a chance of saving him. But of course she could've just been betting on me voting for him as well. CoD will look very innocent... __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

07-31-2007, 06:59 AM	#5
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Looks like it's game over. Hats off to you Holby. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-31-2007, 06:59 AM	#6
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Kidding... I never planned on holding my vote. I just wanted to see if Kath and Gil came running in to tie up the vote as soon as I announced my departure. I guess not. So let's put this out of reach. ++SPM __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

07-31-2007, 07:21 AM	#7
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Argh! I'm so sorry! I completely forgot. Am I in time? ++SAUCE Holby revealed and that's about as far as I've read. No one countered so she's the Seer and Sauce is a wolf. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

07-31-2007, 07:45 AM	#8
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Standing in Lalwendë's garden, Holby steps forward, eying nervously those around her. She never takes her eyes from Saucie. "I've never told you," she begins, "but I am the many-greats granddaughter of a celebrated Seer. I inherited, though, sadly, my dreams are rarely of much help. You see, those who I dream about tend to die immediately after. Legate... kicked it during a bit of idiocy on your part. Brinniel died in the night. Please, my friends, keep up tradition. I've dreamt of The Saucepan Man. And he is evil as only a wolf can be. You must kill him also." She expects him to pounce, to leap for her throat and cut her down. Better yet, he proposes a counter-attack. "She's obviously lying." Every villager laughs at him. "What you've forgotten," says the phantom, "is that Holby is too sweet to manipulate people like that. She's the one who knows the marriage lore of the Rings, she's the one who cares for people's children... Though she would make a formidable enemy, it's not her style at all to be so brazen. Now if, say, you or I pretended to be a Seer to flush the real one, that would be believable. But it's Holby. Sweet Holby. Lovable Holby. It's cute that you thought your last ditch effort would work." A woman screams as Spam's claws lengthen. "But it's daylight!" The Saucepan Wolf lunges for Holby's throat, throwing aside villagers in his attempt to kill his accuser. Seer or not, she's turned the village against him. "I think not!" cries the phantom, always one for drama, bravado, and showing off his savior complex to the delight of the ladies. He shoots The Wolfpan Man in the back of the head with a razor sharp arrow. Wolfpan falls with a resounding thud, twitching. "He's still alive!" cries one. "No he isn't." says the phantom casually. "It's just that my arrow is embedded in his nervous system." Holby shivers mere inches from his outstretched arm. Every villager suspects she will not last the night. She hopes only for the ability to help the village once more. Yet as though an enchantment is upon them, the villagers all retire to bed. Night is dangerous in these parts; the only safety is behind locked doors. And for one in their midst? A door will not be enough. As each villager passes into his or her respective cottage, Kath runs forward, eying the setting sun with uncertainty. "Am I too late?" "Yes." says a disembodied voice from the graveyard. "You are." --- Dead Night One: Boromir88 (scholar) and Fea (wife) Day One: Legate (innocent), Durelin (innocent), Menel (innocent) Night Two: Brinniel (innocent) Day Two: Shasta (innocent) Night Two: Lalwendë (innocent) Day Three: The Saucepan Man (wolf) Alive CaptainofDespair Gil-Galad Holbytlass Kath Mithalwen the phantom __________________ peace

07-31-2007, 06:42 AM	#9
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	OK although I do believe him a wolf, the Pan Man is right in that I didn't want to vote hastily sinceI could and would return. Too often something unexpected arises and a fixed vote is not to be cast lightly (though I now hurl it with some force in Sauce's direction). However I note that a lot of things that are now troubling him now about me and others aren't things that troubled him at the time. Bit late to be criticising my vote for Holby isn't it? I freely admitted it was a cheap shot but I had forgotten to apply my usual rule of thumb that "oddness" can be a product of giftedness as well as lycanthropy. It is a pity that she will surely be lost to us tonight not only for her gifts but becasue the wolves will not be giving anything away by their choice. Since the kills so far have seemed "unobvious" it is reasonable to assume that others were possibly left alive as foils/ cover for the wolves. Assuming SPM's guilt, I imagine Phantom (if innocent and I ) were cover for him. There is surely a wolf among the quiet ... I tend to think TP is innocent and I know I am so with Holby-seer two of Gil, Kath and COD must be wolves. Which is the hard part .... Kath is usually but not always more involved as a wolf but ..... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-31-2007, 06:45 AM	#10
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Gil and Kath have posted twice each ..... such a lot to go on..... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-31-2007, 06:50 AM	#12
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Oh and Phantom, the reason I delayed is realted to one of the reasons I confessed to being a wolf in Sauce's game before anyone voted. If innocent and wolf alike don't have to think about their vote it leaves less trail. By delaying my vote I kept open the possibility of Sauce's survival and hoped to force the quiet into action and speech.. it didn't quite work but heigh ho .. you should vote phantom even if there is "no point" __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-31-2007, 06:52 AM	#13
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	I actually think CoD looks guilty but then .. I was assuming you are innocent TP... Perhaps I was wrong __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace