WW XXXX - The scouring of the Shire, vol.2

[Valier]

Is anyone else around? I gotta run soon and if someone else has questions or something else to bring up that would be great. Right now I am leaning towards Morm....not that I have a good reason...just well a feeling. Sometimes my feelings lead me astray, but I find when in doubt it is best to listen to them. I would hate to lynch an Ordo today, but hey it happens on Day 1, and if that Ordo need be me, well then I guess that would make me a Fenris Ordo. But please I beg you...give me more time to help this village out, I am sure my feelings eventually will lead us to at least one of our furry friends.

[Nerwen]

It's very late here now, or rather very early, and I have to go.

++Thinlómien, a.k.a Lommy Baggins.

Let's face it, despite all this talk of doing our best to catch a wolf the first day, nobody's acted really suspicious yet. However, she's the one I find the most worrying. I've already stated my reasons.

Of course, maybe I'm just taking things too personally.

Goodnight.

[Valier]

well I hate to have to bring in a third lynch candidate, but other than my gut today I don't have more to go on. I just haven't had the time to digest and think about what everyone has said. Tomorrow is another day and if I survive till then it will be all the brighter, seeing as I should have time to think things through after rereading and give better opinions. Good luck to us all.

++ Mormegil

[Kuruharan]

Valier is beginning to look a bit furry to me.

She seems unnecessarily defensive and then votes for Morm out of the blue on some...I'm not even sure "suspect suspicion" really adequately describes it.

Still I'm very reluctant to vote for her today. I am still uneasy about Thinlómien...

[Rikae]

I'm around.

I'm leaning toward giving Valier a chance to look guiltier, or more innocent toMorrow.. As for this thing between Lommy and Nerwen, I'm inclined to think there has to be a wolf between the two of them. There is simply too much aggression there... it doesn't seem like two innocents going at it, but rather, either a wolf trying to get an ordo lynched, or a cornered wolf fighting back in desperation.

I don't quite understand Mac's suspicion toward Volo based on Volo's suspicions of me, which (though wrong), weren't particularly wolfish looking to my eyes. I can't help but feel Mac is letting personal feelings cloud his judgement. (Sorry...)

I also don't agree with the suspicion towards The Might. He could become one of those easy Day 1 lynches, but honestly, his strangeness is more of the "not really paying attention" variety than the "wolfish" one.

[The Might]

Hmmm...I'm curious to see what will happen, so I'll go ahead and do it:

++ The Might

for being so out of the ordinary.

[Kuruharan]

Sooo...is The Might being suicidal because he's given up on himself or is this part of a cunning plan to turn people away from him.

I think its a cunning plan to turn people away from him...but I honestly can't say whether it makes him more likely to be guilty or innocent.

[Rikae]

Well, I think if I want Nerwen in the running, I have to do it myself, before adding a new candidate is totally out. If she turns out innocent, I'll definately be looking at Lommy as a possible wolf. As I said, I don't find The Might suspicious. I don't see any point in voting for Morm now - there just isn't enough to go on - and I think that knowing the role of Nerwen will shed more light on the Lommy question, while the opposite might not be true.

++Nerwen

EDIT: X'd with Lommy

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

So I just missed the fact that there was a third page while I was posting.

So more thoughts on what I missed while freezing in class:

Only partially related to the game: I really want everyone to get out a thesaurus and look up different words for 'defensive.' That word's as worn out as the adjective 'fresh' in a poetry workshop. Of COURSE everybody's defensive. People are accusing them, whether directly or implicitly, of being evil. If they aren't, they don't want to die and have the wolves win. If they are, they don't want to die and have the village win. Either way, nobody's going to invite accusations. Except apparently The Might.

Originally Posted by Legate

Now I think Kuru's argument is not valid. One can base his voting on whether f.ex. he does not want to vote a newbie who is playing first day in his first game, or other similar reasons like that one - I'm saying that because people generally DO that, just look around even here and today! But in that case, what really puzzles me, is Nerwen's reaction. I don't think there is any reason why she should not stand behind her opinion. Was that really a joke from the start? Or did a wolf-Nerwen realise that what she said is suspicious and decided to cover it?

Whatever the case, when I mentioned Kuru. He is one whose behavior I don't really like toDay. His one-liner comments make me think of an evil sinister little dwarf (something like Mim) sitting in a corner and always adding his comments in a squeaky voice. The comments he makes are not really creatively entering the discussion, rather are pointing at other people without the one who says them actually bringing himself in the spotlight. I need to look through his posts more carefully, but I really don't like his behavior.

Huh?

Are you saying that Kuru saying to lynch wolves is... not valid?

I just got so incredibly confused.

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My thoughts on not killing newbies on Day One:

I have no weird affection for them. Like... okay, that was badly phrased.

The reason I want to let them live isn't because I want them to have time to enjoy the game or because I feel guilty for prematurely ending their gaming careers.

I think we should leave the newbies around because I think they're a lot more likely to make mistakes as the game progresses and wolf-stress levels rise.

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Originally Posted by Legate

I have to disappoint you, Fea. TM's self-vote is 99% inspired by behaviour he saw at Rikae in the last (his first) game. She voted herself on Day 1 and got subsequently lynched, and revealed innocent.

I'm not saying TM was emulating me. Just that I'd done something similar in the past when I was guilty. Just that, whether 'younger' players know it or not, there's precedent for a wolf to play a suicide card.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Huh?

Are you saying that Kuru saying to lynch wolves is... not valid?

I just got so incredibly confused.

No, I am saying that his opinion that people should not take into account whether f.ex. the person is a newbie or was lynched on Day 1 in the last game is not valid. Because people do, normally, and you yourself now proved that when you said your opinion on that.
I'm getting the feeling that your wits are somewhat sleepy, because you obviously are not catching what I am writing (no offence, it just seems to me like that).

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I'm not saying TM was emulating me. Just that I'd done something similar in the past when I was guilty. Just that, whether 'younger' players know it or not, there's precedent for a wolf to play a suicide card.

I was not thinking you were. I was simply explaining the origins of his behavior, so that you (and others who haven't played in that game) know.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hey, hey, wait! I can't refresh as fast as the posts appear!

Looks like the votes appear. Good that they do. Bad that I don't think they are aimed the right way. A few words to the newly appeared lynch subjects:

The Might seems a little bit fishy in general, but certainly not just because of his "I will lynch this kind of people" comment. People seem to jump at this, and only at this, constantly without, as it seems to me, taking into account other things he said. I am not saying it's not a good comment for a wolf. But TM acted similarly in the last game, and I don't think it's okay to base all the suspicion of his on this.

Lommy, as I said before, does not seem in any way wolfy to me this far. If the quarrel between her and Nerwen is a wolf-ordo fight, then maybe I would be more convinced that Nerwen is the wolf and Lommy is the ordo. Though I don't want to speculate about it already. Nerwen may be a little more defensive than normally, but who knows. Though concerning Nerwen, there is one thing I would like to mention further - wait a moment and you'll see below.

Morm. Well, funnily enough, if I had to pick a vote among the three named, I would probably pick him. But mainly because that I consider the other two less possible of being guilty than him. Maybe I am subconsciously influenced by all people saying "morm is dangerous, morm is dangerous" all the time in all the WW games, though I believe I have personally never played with morm (or at least don't remember it, which would mean he did not leave any special impression on me). Otherwise, what he says generally sounds more or less reasonable. But there is something about him that really makes me feel... displeased, that's the word.

EDIT: X-ed since The Might