WW XXXX - The scouring of the Shire, vol.2

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

As stupid as this will probably sound...I'm now getting skeptical of my suspicions of The Might and Menel and it just seems to be because they are both candidates in a potential double lynch scenario.

Actually, if you are afraid of a double lynch, the way to avoid it is not by voting someone else.... that plays into the hands of whoever wants to cause a double lynch.

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

Right now I'm suddenly getting very afraid of three people...

Brinniel
Aganzir
Farael

Brinniel I agree looks suspicious because she was arguing against a double lynching but voted for a third candidate and made a double lynching more likely.

Aganzir I'm afraid I don't have a whole lot of rational reason for this...I'm just very suspicious of her all of a sudden.

Farael...anybody else notice that he has a tendency to vote really early...and be really wrong.

I have this bad feeling we've all been on the wrong track the whole time and that with The Might and Menel we're continuing to go down it.

Man, you are really flip-flopping here... basically, and leaving out Loomy who's a consensus ordo, you've suspected anyone who has suspected Might and Menel. Trying to distance yourself from lynching people you know to be ordo, or trying to distance yourself from wolves? either way, you don't look so well with this sudden, last-minute "oh I feel bad about this".

I'd like to remark that on your previous post you said you were leaning towards voting for Might and or Menel and then getting rid of the other one in the next day.

I think you are trying to get the village to go for a spin and start arguing on a tangent. While I'll be the first one to agree that focusing only on two suspects could be catastrophic at this point in the game, you are not saying "let's focus on someone else as well" you are saying "I have a bad feeling about these two suspects, why don't we look at these other people?".

[Kuruharan]

you are not saying "let's focus on someone else as well" you are saying "I have a bad feeling about these two suspects, why don't we look at these other people?".

Aren't those saying the exact same thing?

Why the sudden defensiveness?

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

Aren't those saying the exact same thing?

Why the sudden defensiveness?

x-posted with you. I'm not defending myself, i'm attacking you.

[Kuruharan]

I'm not defending myself, i'm attacking you.

But only after I mentioned your name, which amounts to the same thing.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

But only after I mentioned your name, which amounts to the same thing.

No, after you posted some non-sense, which included my name.

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Farael

No, after you posted some non-sense, which included my name.

You're posting like you are scared of something.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

You're posting like you are scared of something.

Then you've never played with me, which you have... have I ever refrained myself from accusing someone who seemed wolfish? even if I've been wrong often lately doesn't mean I'll stop trying to find a wolf and start trying to "look innocent"

Or is that what you'd have us do? have everyone give up the search and start trying to look as "unwolfish" as possible by doing the easy things?

[Thinlómien]

Now that is odd. I don't know what to make of Farael and Kuru's little argument... very interesting...

Unlike Farael, I think Kuru's "I have a bad feeling"-post seemed genuine - mostly because he sounded scaringly much like being right about the fact that Menel and Might might be both innocent after all.

I'm really torn between voting Menel and Brinn but would like to avoid double lynch and I have a bad feeling we will lynch yet another ordo toDay...

edit: xed with Brinn and Farael

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I'm a bit surprised though how defensively you reacted when I said I'll read through your posts.

I wasn't being defensive. I don't mind you looking at my posts at all. I would like more people to do so, because the way others talk about what one said can shed some light on them. I'm the only person I know to be innocent, after all. There were some of you who have escaped my sight so far, and with that post, Aganzir, you basically volunteered to be the first in line.


Aganzir:

In 99 she already starts to suspect A Little Green. This seems rather innocent to me. I can't believe the wolves planned to lynch their fellow newbie(!) wolf from day one on. She also says that voting TM is like throwing away one's vote. But then, that's how I felt, too, at that time. Her other thoughts of that day more or less are the same as mine, which doesn't prove anything, but isn't alarming as well.

On day two she suggests that maybe the wolves killed Valier because she wanted to lynch the quiet ones, which is bogus. She backs away from it quickly, which leads me to think she wasn't sincere about it, which makes me think: wolf. She brings forth a strange theory about Menel, Rikae, and me. In 226, Legate is innocent, Lily and Sally are suspicious, Valier is in the middle, and morm and Kath she doesn't know about. She votes Lily at the serious third position. If the vote was wolvish, she's a very cold-blooded wolf. This doesn't seem to fit to the strange things she's been saying all day.

Her main suspects in 293 are two known innocents and two unknowns. She makes a short analysis of Legate, still doubts Lommy but doesn't worry about her later, feels better about Menel and Sally, starts to worry about Brinniel. The way she resumes her suspicions of Sally is worrisome ("I don't like the way she's making me feel"). "If she lives, I'll be torn about her tomorrow" looks bad.

Continues to go after Brinniel, something which I don't share, but which I wouldn't mind, but her reasoning either completely relies on TM's role or are made out of thin air (and look who agrees with Aganzir immediately: Volo (475)). She's a little too forward and backward about the Might.


There definitely are suspicious elements in her posts. The Might's role will tell us something about her. I'm putting her right after Volo and the Might in my suspicion list.

She will be joined there by Farael. Kuru's doubts about TM and Menel seem very honest to me and make me feel a lot better about him. Farael's attack comes out of nowhere and it doesn't seem to have a good intent behind it.

(edit: crossed with..... many)

[Brinniel]

l have to agree with Farael on this one, Kuru.

Originally Posted by Kuru

Brinniel I agree looks suspicious because she was arguing against a double lynching but voted for a third candidate and made a double lynching more likely.

You suspect me for voting on the third candidate, yet you are doing the same thing you are suspecting me for. You're saying let's not just look at Menel and Might, but consider a third candidate.

Aganzir was the first to fly accusations at me...but I somehow doubt a wolf would be so persistent on an innocent (which I am) at this stage. Because once she's proven wrong, she should realise everyone would probably start to suspect her. It's a bit too obvious to actually be wolfish, if that makes any sense. I'm thinking there's a good chance a wolf was one of the ones quick to support her theories on me. Namely Volo, Kuru, and Mac (though less likely him, since I still don't think he's very wolfish).

Anyways, that'd only secure my thoughts on my original two suspects, especially if they are both indeed wolves. Because if I am right, the third wolf is probably very scared indeed.

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Namely Volo, Kuru, and Mac (though less likely him, since I still don't think he's very wolfish).

Oh, no I hadn't agreed, I just said that I'd look at what she's saying, that's different. I'm growing more suspicious of Kuru.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Unlike Farael, I think Kuru's "I have a bad feeling"-post seemed genuine - mostly because he sounded scaringly much like being right about the fact that Menel and Might might be both innocent after all.

Explain, please, I don't think I understood you.

I think it is a horrible idea to try to find new suspects at this point of the Day!

EDIT: Xd with Mac.