Werewolf XLII: The meaning of life forever

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

"Now see what I mean. I can already say I'm getting quite weary of this stranger I have a bad feeling I need to face in the battle. Just look how nicely he lays the grounds for his attack on the actual battle. There is nothing there and he knows it, so he goes on saying But that's exactly what he can rely on when the actual battle begins..."

*Hide check: failure*

The figure appeared again out of the shadows.

*Wisdom check*

"I am very well aware of that, sir," the figure spoke to Nogrod. "Nevertheless I can also say that the fact I focused on you with my first words had nothing to do with any private battles happening in the future. Which is intriguing by itself."

*Spot check: failure*

"Nevertheless, there is one person whom I would like to see here as well, for reasons you can imagine yourself, Nogrod. I fail to see him, now, but that does not matter - he will come. I would like to see him here for my picture to be complete. Yes, I challenge you for a duel, Nogrod, as you have forseen - but there is one more we need, and then it won't be a duel, it will be..."

*Speak language check: critical miss*

"...a trial!"

*Wisdom check: Success*

"Wow, actually, that's true... great..."

"Anyway, don't think I am here only to prepare my thoughts on you two. The biggest advantage of us being together here is that we can talk to everyone, and others can base their thoughts on our ideas even when we are not with them. And we know that when we meet again, lots of us will be gone..."

"Oh, and a note about this Taliesin guy. All the bards I ever met were chaotics, so take care. But I can't serve with any strong opinion about this one, because he is too..."

*Spot check: success*

"...long." *gazes upwards*

EDIT: X-ed with McCaber. This fella looks good to me. Probably neutral good. Almost lawful.

EDITEDIT:

"Oh, and I suggest whoever is not in invisible mode should do so. It does not matter much now when we are all here and it's day, but later it is most adviseable. You go into invisible mode like this. Look:"

*Hide check: Total success*

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

The biggest advantage of us being together here is that we can talk to everyone, and others can base their thoughts on our ideas even when we are not with them.

"With this I truly agree with you o' figure of the shadows. Those people who disrepute the discussion toDay forget that the battles will shed a lot of light to the actual truth of the matter for those who come out alive from them... There are things to gather in there. And I do appreciate that you bring the discussions forwards. That's what we need to do.

It's a trial yes. I think everyone knows it will be a trial. That's the interesting thing. I mean it's not only who survives the "battle" but also how they do it. Some innocent kills in the trials may turn out victories for the enemies of Melkor in the end if people stay alert.

I'm waiting to hear from that Mighty warrior as well. But in the meantime I think I take a little nap and listen also to the others."

EDIT: X'd with Roa x2

[THE Ka]

"I do promise to quit this now. But how if we all acted like this Taliesin fellow here? Sit back and take notes of what others do? What notes there would be but notes of others trying to take notes on others who do and say nothing? Sorry milady, or dear sir? I always took you as a lady with my folklore but maybe appearances drive people to wrong tracks in this place?"

Taliesin had a little smile, which did give his heart some optimism but not much. When his actual gender came into question he gave an innocent laugh and wore an even bigger smile.

" Well, it is sometimes assumed that those with words tend to be of the female sort. Somehow, we all loose our form when others speak of us. Either in tales or simply the discussion we're having right now. Same as men have this silly assumption dwarves come from the earth, though I've only seen plants do such a thing. Then again, rumor has it you can makes Taliesin out of stormy sea water, a cauldron, and an angry crone. Though, for sanity purposes, I am pretty sure I am male in this life and form. Now you know two good things, my name and that I'm of the male sort. All in all, I believe anyone should speak a little if they want now, before this building and its decor drives us insane."

Taliesin found a comfy share of a colomn to rest upon, and listened with his little lute and other things, but he didn't dare play it being as it was only for the worst of circumstances. It seemed so far to him that humor quited the otherwise abrasive thoughts in his mind, and make his speech easier.

~ Taliesin

[Meneltarmacil]

*nibbles on moose jerky*

To be honest, I don't know that there's anything we can really do toDay that would really matter. There aren't going to be votes, so there won't be anybody trying to persuade villagers to vote for others. Of course, discussion about wolf strategy is a possibility, but that does not often lead to productive conclusions and can get the innocent lynched for suggesting "the wrong idea" to the village. Also, if people start sharing ideas on what could give a wolf away by his/her posts, that would most likely backfire and give the wolves a tip as to how better to remain undetected.

If there's anything that could make a good talking point, I'm all ears, though.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

If there's anything that could make a good talking point, I'm all ears, though.

Now there's a tree-way battle ahead of you man and you know who they will be there with you - unless Sauron will twist that for his own amusement. If I were you I'd first of all wish to contact those that are going to share the arena with you and try to make them talk so as to have something to base your ideas of them on the actual battle. Then I could think of trying to look at other trios and to see what happens there - to be that much wiser after the initial matches are over.

I think there is exceptionally lot to do toDay - and there's no lynch toDay so you can quite be all over the place and still survive - until the threesome battle that is but anyway. And if you're an innocent your death might actually help the village if you press those in a death-match with you wisely enough.

EDIT: X'd with Lommy

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Now there's a tree-way battle ahead of you man and you know who they will be there with you - unless Sauron will twist that for his own amusement.

How stupid can you get?

I had kind of a nauseating feeling as I didn't understand why Volo told us not to reveal the Day we were going to be on the "trial" and still thought he had revealed us the actual trios in his example (which it was, I checked it). It was only now it bothered me enough that I checked it.

But I'm not sure if that changes anything. Knowing with whom you would have played threesome would have been quite interesting but I'm not sure if this is any less so... Anyone here might be with you in a threeway game. Would you like to face two people of whom you have no idea?

[Roa_Aoife]

Thin, glad to see you. I knew you could come up with some ideas, so I was surprised when all you did was agree and disappear.

I agree that the quiet are dangerous (I've noticed that Werewolf ninja Naria is on the play list....) but don't forget that loud wolves are just as dangerous because they can sway the village. I strongly encourage everyone to post, but your statement that the loud manipulative wolves aren't disastrous rings false. They could easily confuse discussion today, stir up innocents into making mistakes that get them lynched.

Ka, it's not that you're in character. It's that you're ONLY in character. Other's who have posted in character have still made useful conjecture in character. You haven't. By all means, post in character, but have your character do more than observe, joke, or clarify gender. Perhaps he could offer some help.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

I agree that the quiet are dangerous (I've noticed that Werewolf ninja Naria is on the play list....) but don't forget that loud wolves are just as dangerous because they can sway the village. I strongly encourage everyone to post, but your statement that the loud manipulative wolves aren't disastrous rings false. They could easily confuse discussion today, stir up innocents into making mistakes that get them lynched.

I know loud wolves are dangerous. I just think that in late games, everybody's been paying too much attention them compared to the attention payed to quiet or relatively quiet people and more importantly, what I meant by that disastrous-comment, is that as long as we recover our senses and see through their manipulation before our trial days, they don't pose a great threat.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

And now on to a little actual substance...

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

I agree that the quiet are dangerous (I've noticed that Werewolf ninja Naria is on the play list....) but don't forget that loud wolves are just as dangerous because they can sway the village. I strongly encourage everyone to post, but your statement that the loud manipulative wolves aren't disastrous rings false. They could easily confuse discussion today, stir up innocents into making mistakes that get them lynched.

I agree with Roa to a point... Loud wolves are just as effective (if not more so) as quiet, sneaky ones. However, I think it's important to keep in mind that loudness and quietness are not always indicators of role--they could indicate personal playing style regardless of whether one is innocent, wolf, or gifted. A person's loudness or quietness could have basis nowhere in the game but instead on other demands on their time.

It is very important not to throw today away completely, and also that it is probably worth a bit more than it normally might be, but I also don't think I will be basing my decisions about the innocence of the other two people on my trial day on today alone. This is a day one. It's always going to be a little weird, and things aren't going to really get going until we all get to know each other.

*shrug* just a thought.

[Roa_Aoife]

Psst.. Ka, Menel, you're visible.....

Wolf strategy? My understanding is that each wolf will be on their own in each battle. They can't even have a relevant strategy toDay, since they don't know who each other are. (At least that's my understanding of the rules....) It appears that each wolf is going to be on their own for the most part. It will go almost entirely to luck, especially if one supposed to fight has been killed, either by a wolf or the gaurdian. Wolf strategy will assuredly be to survive, but they will have to do so separately. And in this we have a great advantage indeed, for they enemy can't work together to confuse us.

Our strategy, as it is, will have to rest primarily on toDay. This will be difficult, since the wolves don't know each other yet, and we won't be able to look for connections. But the more we discuss and post today, the more ammunition we will have in coming days to battle the evil in our midsts.

That said, Thin, who has not returned, still has my interest, as do Ka (for lack of substance- you're a wonderful writer bu that's not helping) and Menel (for trying to dampen discussion.)

EDIT: X posted with everyone from post 19 down.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Valier

But on a day such as today, when a vote does not really count, sometimes it muddles the minds of others later on. The first day is for the most part pretty random, but think with the vote not really counting today, it gives the evil doers among us a way to minipulate us with their votes . Seeing as most things today can be argued later as being first day not knowinness.

I don't really know what to think of this statement. While it seems to be plausible - a thought that should maybe be thought about more - my initial reaction to this was suspicion. For two reasons. One, it plays down the importance of discussion and accusation. Two, it looks like a statement that will be followed - by the stater herself or from some other person - debate that is mostly about the vocal players who might be manipulating the village! How horrible!



Instead of being mean and orcish to anyone, I simply meant that we ought to concentrate on someone else than the loudmouths toDay. We need to focus our attention at trying to provoke discussion or reactions from the more silent ones. The chatterboxes will come out with their thoughts anyway. I would hate to have my trial with two people I have absolutely no opinion on. Lastly but not least importantly, as there can be no disastrous results from wolves trying to manipulate us toDay (as long as we have our wits back in the Days to come) , let them do it and catch them doing it. I'm far more concerned about the wolves who will try to slip under the radar, as that is what I suppose many of the furry fellows here are trying to do toDay.

Ka has been all the time in character. It really makes her less suspicious to me. A wolf might be more concerned about her appearances. Yet, on the other hand, a wolf might count on that no one minds a little in-charactering at the start of the first day and use it as an excuse for saying nothing constructive...

Originally Posted by Groin

"Look at one who who calls himself Legate of Amon Lanc. He is quick to cast judgement on the rest of us. What say you to that?"

I say, he could very well be either provoking discussion or a wolf throwing suspicion around for fun, knowing he can always say he was trying to provoke reactions. So, in conclusion, I say nothing. Or then I can say that while I have no clue of his alignment, I'm laughing all too much at his posts, it's not good for my health, maybe we should lynch him. Wait, lynch? No lynch toDay... how sad.

Originally Posted by Roa

"Right now, my eyes are watching Thin. Quick to agree with the loudest voice that we should all offer opinions, and yet voicing no opinions of her own? Agreement in words and not in action is not truly agreement."

You see, I was supposed to force myself write an English research paper instead of really writing anything (except a short "hello") here tonight, but looking at this post, it looks like I couldn't keep the decision and it's going to be a long night for me...

EDIT: xed with our local pessimist :-P

[THE Ka]

Ka has been all the time in character. It really makes her less suspicious to me. A wolf might be more concerned about her appearances. Yet, on the other hand, a wolf might count on that no one minds a little in-charactering at the start of the first day and use it as an excuse for saying nothing constructive...

Oops. I thought we had to stay in character. Sorry for being a dunce, I've had neverending study for a literature class, and forgot about that.

I would hate to have my trial with two people I have absolutely no opinion on.

That or being plagued by a guilty conscience because you end up having to randomly vote. Probably why I tried to stay in character.

~ Ka