Werewolf XLII: The meaning of life forever

[Thinlómien]

Ok, I looked through their earlier posts and two things caught my attention:

1)

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And even if the wolves are on their own toDay it is right what Legate noted: they may toDay accidentally vote or make open suspicions over their mates and that might be a burden so it's suitable for the wolves to be lenient and nice to everyone. And what's more important, they should not voice any suspicions they actually have - for surely they are on the look out for their mates now - just not to spoil their game later. So look carefully at those being nice and smooth but also to fabricated suspicions eg. those that can be easily reverted as pure Day1 testing or banter.

Now I'm not sure at all if that statement sounds reasonable and innocentish. Many people I know play very individually as wolves, they don't really care much about the survival of their packmates and might do them nasty tricks, if necessary, to ensure their own survival and thus the victory of their team. So why wouldn't wolves actually accuse those they believe to be their fellows just to look more innocent? Suspecting someone is not the same as voting someone and voting someone is not the same as getting someone lynched. Now why I find this statement slightly suspicious and not just wrong from my point of view is that Nogrod is a guy who tends to be open and even aggressive when it comes to suspicions and usually has some opinion on the first Day - like he did now. So wouldn't this comment be a nice way of moving the spotlight from people like himself to less decided and outspoken players? Also it's notable how he starts with the fact that he's actually agreeing with Legate here. Thus his opinion doesn't stand out and it creates more pressure. Nice work.

That and the totally perplexing posts from toDay are all that I find suspicious about him. Otherwise he seems neutral or innocentish.

2)

Originally Posted by TM

Btw, you know what just came to my mind?
After all the twists and turns last WW I think we might be seeing something similar here as well.
I mean, after all the wolves don't do anything, nor do the gifteds.
My humble theory is that we were all made innocents (that somehow makes it much harder to see any wolvishness in one's playing style) and that the roles really will only be PMed later before the first Day begins.
Don't know if Volo is capable of such evil deeds, but it seems to be an interesting idea...

I think that looks a bit like a wolf-Miggy trying to appear innocent... because if such a theory had genuinely crossed his mind, he'd have to be innocent so by posting this he kind of shouts "I'm innocent!", which is something I find a little suspicious.

But that's really all I have against him.

~*~

So I'm really torn. Neither of these guys sends me innocentish vibes. They're both slightly suspicious. I would say I find Nogrod more suspicious than The Might, but I'm vaguely afraid it's just because TM has posted so little that he has not had the chance to look suspicious. I can hardly make any decision before I hear a lot more of him. I don't really know... I could basically vote TM just to keep Nogrod in the game if I have no real evidence of his guilt... I mean, I'd rather play the future days with someone of Nogrod's verbiosity level, not TM's, especially as two loudmouths have already died in this game. I claim it will be a disaster if only silent people make it to the finals... Hmph... and the fact that I have a 50% chance of getting this right really doesn't comfort me... because personally I have the bad feeling that with my luck and current wolf-hunting skills I'm going to choose the wrong one and then it feels even more annoying... Argh. It's really somewhat disturbing to know that one of the two has to be a wolf, if you have no clear idea which one. I'm very glad I don't have to choose now... Let's hope I get a lot of responses and comments from both of my fellow trialists before I have to make the fatal choice...

[Nogrod]

We just checked our last night's (rl) posting together and ended up playing this game live together in front of the computer. Sadly there's no audio recording of it to share with you... We should definitively stop reading these threads together when a game is on...

But where are you the Might? You said on Day 0.0 that you didn't like my playing style. I must return that compliment to you now in earnest. Are you playing or are you not?

I also said that I don't think it a valid argument to vote for someone if you dislike his playing style but I'm about to act against my word toDay if you don't appear with some thoughts to share.

In this case I might also say that my vote would not come from pure annoyance with a style of playing but also because of not playing at all.

Okay. I'm optimistic still and I do hope to hear from you so that I can forget what I just wrote. Throwing a dice is no method of reasoning out who is a wolf. We need things said to do that.


Which brings me to Lommy then...

Well, well. I'm not sure what to say right now. I thought initially that Aganzir's points against Lommy weren't too good - and I'm tending to believe that way still. But there's something in her posting toDay that I'm not too relaxed with. Somehow she's over-careful with her standing within this trio even if she posts a lot and also says a lot. It kind of feels she is watching very carefully the balance of the mood and what tm might say when / if he finally comes around. She kind of feels like ready to leap on either direction whichever will suit her better. Now that is not an actual argument against anyone. Many of us try to survive even we we're just plain ordos but I felt I needed to point to that.

And I naturally disagree with your points on me as they are just false or plain far-fetched or insignificant. The problem I have with them is not their content but the fact that you felt a need to voice a host of them. Yes, I can return your point about people possibly throwing things out to see how others react. That's perfectly legitimate and I tend to do that myself as well. But somehow, looking at the context here they seem somewhat fishy or should I say retaliatory (after I made one remark why someone could see Lommy as a wolf). I'd say answering an isolated suggestion of wolvishness with a host of poor arguments that try to paint the other black is jumpy indeed. It doesn't look like an innocent answering (or ignoring) an accusation but as a wolf trying to lead the discussion away from her.

And talking about jumpiness... you saw it fit to answer some suspicions laid on you in a different trial altogether but why? That wasn't so pressing as tm is nowhere to be seen and I think I had already dissed them.

Alright. I seem not to be concentrating on making friends here in this trial but the duty of us is to challenge if we wish to dig those wolves out from their hiding. They must be challenged, they must be forced to react to things. By reactions one can incriminate oneself or make oneself look better.

I know one of you is not a wolf so pardon my suspicions. I need you both to tell me which one of you is.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

We just checked our last night's (rl) posting together and ended up playing this game live together in front of the computer. Sadly there's no audio recording of it to share with you... We should definitively stop reading these threads together when a game is on...

Indeed, it's stupid - but even if we had an audio recording only Agan and Greenie (and Volo) would understand it...

Originally Posted by Nog

But where are you the Might?

Seconded indeed. Where are you? I wouldn't like to vote the slightly more suspicous Nogrod just because you've posted so little that I can draw no conclusions from it, nor would I like to vote you just because you're so absent. Argh. Even though, I must say, that if TM doesn't appear or appears and posts just a few lines, ie doesn't make an impression either way, I'll vote him just because then it's a random choice and it looks like I'm going to enjoy playing with Nogrod more than playing with TM. We can't kill all the talking people and leave the quiet ones.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Somehow she's over-careful with her standing within this trio even if she posts a lot and also says a lot. It kind of feels she is watching very carefully the balance of the mood and what tm might say when / if he finally comes around. She kind of feels like ready to leap on either direction whichevewill suit her better. Now that is not an actual argument against anyone. Many of us try to survive even we we're just plain ordos but I felt I needed to point to that.

Yes, I'm waiting for TM to come before I take a real standing on which one of you would I prefer to vote. Like you yourself said, if one of your fellow contestants doesn't post, the choice is random. So I'm waiting for TM to come and give me an impression of either guilt or innocence. It's really the only thing I can do as you don't strike me as particularly wolvish or innocentish.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And I naturally disagree with your points on me as they are just false or plain far-fetched or insignificant.

Nice way of dismissing my points against you.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

The problem I have with them is not their content but the fact that you felt a need to voice a host of them. Yes, I can return your point about people possibly throwing things out to see how others react. That's perfectly legitimate and I tend to do that myself as well. But somehow, looking at the context here they seem somewhat fishy or should I say retaliatory (after I made one remark why someone could see Lommy as a wolf). I'd say answering an isolated suggestion of wolvishness with a host of poor arguments that try to paint the other black is jumpy indeed. It doesn't look like an innocent answering (or ignoring) an accusation but as a wolf trying to lead the discussion away from her.

Now, excuse me, that's a bit ridiculous. Should I not voice every little suspicious thing about you that crosses my mind? And as to the fact that those came after your points against me, well, it was obviously because you reserved the computer to yourself before me (no, don't get it wrong, I think it's ok as you had to wake up early while I didn't), but then you can hardly complain that I raise points against you only when you've first raised points against me. And if your posts look suspicious to me, of course I comment it.

I find it funny that you first accuse me of aggressiveness and then of defensiveness. It seems like you complain if I raise points against you or defend myself/ clarify my sayings if someone has raised a point against me. What else could I actually do? Raise points against TM based on three mostly nonsensical posts? (which I actually did) Or stay silent like him and say nothing, as everything I say seems to displease you?

Besides, you accuse me of retaliatory aggressiveness. Just look at your latest post.

Originally Posted by Noggleswogglesboggles

And talking about jumpiness... you saw it fit to answer some suspicions laid on you in a different trial altogether but why? That wasn't so pressing as tm is nowhere to be seen and I think I had already dissed them.

But there are other players in this game too, not just the two of you. If I made it through this trial and Night1, I'd still have to reply those points, so why not get it done and out of the way in the first place? Besides, if I were to die before Day1, I would at least have pointed out the flaws in Agan's argumentation. And really, if someone accuses me on feeble grounds, what reasons would I have not to respond it, as there clearly wasn't anything more urgent for me to do? Yes, you can complain that I replied to Agan before looking thorugh your and TM's posts, but I was aware I'd have plenty of time to do both, so it's surely not incrminating that I decided to do the easier/shorter thing first?

Also, I don't like the apologetic ending of your post. Of course people have to challenge each other in these trials. You've been doing it, I've been doing it, and in fact, it has lead to some sort of argument and chain of accusations between us while both of us declare we are not very suspicious of the other. Which would be a very amusing situation if it was less serious.

But really... it seems we can hardly do anything else than argue against each other before TM appears and sheds some light on this whole thing. And justified or not, I have the feeling that he appears a while before the deadline, reads through our little argument and votes the one he says looks more wolvish based on it without really elaborating on that much and disappears. That would be very frustrating, but at least it would solve the problem of who I'm going to vote toDay... *would add a rolleyes-smiley if hadn't already passed the limit*

[Nogrod]

I'm getting a feeling that our arguments are becoming more and more mirror-images of each other...

I say I suspect Lommy for jumping on my points and turning them to points against me - and she does likewise.

I say Lommy is jumpy & retaliatory, she says I'm jumpy and retaliatory.

Lommy says she's been accused with feeble reasons, I feel the same.

Lommy accuses me of an apologetic ending in my last post and then makes a rather consiliatory ending herself...



Okay the Might, the mighty warrior you boast you are. Come to the rink and don't shy in the shadows. It seems we're in a dire need of discussing something else for a change.

(OOC: I'm going to prepare a dinner for myself and Lommy but will return after an hour or two to try and make some substantial posting - hopefully concerning the Might's new posts as well)

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Lommy accuses me of an apologetic ending in my last post and then makes a rather consiliatory ending herself...

I was about to shout that that's a feeble and false accusation, but then I reconsidered what I had written and found out it's actually true... This situation is quite comical, indeed.

And I agree with you. We can't really do anything more - or at last I can't - before TM arrives.

*waits*

[The Might]

Well I'm here.
Did it maybe occur to you that I was not able to go online cause we have a weekend at the moment?
I mean, yes, I play WW with pleasure, but due to a rather unexpected RL event I was unable to post. So please excuse me for going out with friends instead of sitting home and posing on the thread.
Seems quite an easy strategy there Nogrod to simply say that if I don't post I should be voted. I find it quite unfair of you to do that as long as you did not have a clue. As I didn't post on any other thread here you could have thought that I might not be there.

Anyway, leaving that aside the then/than part was a typo, I've always had a problem with those two.

And I also don't understand why you are so suspicious of this theory.
I mean after all, don't you think it is possible? And what is the problem really, it is just an idea, might be a bad one, but still it was an idea.
Yes, I did indeed say "we" because, as you might have noticed" the theory was the all are innocents. Especially since the roles are not revealed upon death I have even more reasons to believe this.

Now, if you wish to believe that this idea was in some way planned so that I can at the end use "we" and imply that I am an innocent, then go ahead.

I find it good that you also took a look at Lommy, that makes me feel better about you.
I'm not sure who I will vote, somehow both of you don't really seems supicious now and if I had to choose I would probably say Nog simply because there isn't much I see bad in Lommy.

[Thinlómien]

First off, I'm glad to see you around, Might. I do know it's weekend so I thought you might have something to do Friday night and would be sleeping late. But you absence today afternoon has troubled me. I assumed you'd give ww more time but evidently I was wrong.

But the fact that you had RL things doesn't change the fact that you have this far given very little to go on.

Originally Posted by Might

Seems quite an easy strategy there Nogrod to simply say that if I don't post I should be voted.

Surely that's not a very fair accusation since I, too, said that I'll vote you if you don't appear. I just said it later and probably in a less aggressive manner.

Originally Posted by Might

I find it good that you also took a look at Lommy, that makes me feel better about you.

He would have been extremely silly not to look at my posts as well as that would have been immediately viewed as suspicious.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by The Might

Did it maybe occur to you that I was not able to go online cause we have a weekend at the moment?
I mean, yes, I play WW with pleasure, but due to a rather unexpected RL event I was unable to post. So please excuse me for going out with friends instead of sitting home and posing on the thread.

It did. Lommy already told what we thought, Friday night and having fun with friends etc. No problem. People have lives - even we do.

But then again if one wants to play a game with others here the others expect the person to play with them then. I think it is a cheap rhetoric to put this game against RL. You have yourself promised to play a game so using that kind of arguments to cover you in a game don't actually convince me.

Anyway, leaving that aside the then/than part was a typo, I've always had a problem with those two.

I thought so. Thanks for clearing that.

I'm not sure who I will vote, somehow both of you don't really seems supicious now and if I had to choose I would probably say Nog simply because there isn't much I see bad in Lommy.

Remember what I said: the wolves need to be agreeable as not to get lynched. These trials highlight that fact as they have to survive in this threesome. The innocents need to find out things, they need to get everyone talking. The wolves will be happy with silence and comformism. The innocents need to tear things apart and to accuse to see how people react.

Btw. my concerns with Lommy just hit the roof seeing her latest post where she looked really amicable indeed, even underlining that she had voiced the same concerns I did but more pleasantly.

So do consider and reconsider.

And where are you anyway Might? Lurking in the corners still? I thought you would have started to take part in this but it's 1½ hours since your only post toDay?

Either you don't want to play or then you intentionally avoid playing. Both of these reasons might make me consider voting you notwithstanding my worries on Lommy. I mean with Lommy one can play and there's something to read from her. I mean you can't honestly claim you have played this far...