Werewolf XLII: The meaning of life forever

[THE Ka]

"Ka, are you a ranger or a cobbler? I can't quite decide." No one's going to mark my words too much anyway.

If you'd just answer my little lousy riddles, I would have told you...
You can't be too serious with these roles, this game is supposed to be as fun as it is mind twisting. Besides, it is fun in a way playing with suspicion, which all of you, seasoned or not did very well.
No use in saying anything now, Volo is going to write us another lovely story and I'd rather see it there than here.

*Takes a lavish bow and toasts to all*

This was an amazing game, I particularly enjoyed everyone's company. It was lovely to play of course again with Nogrod and Lommy and others, but is was also a pleasure playing with Aganzir and others. You were brilliant darling, and I admire the head on your shoulders.

Oh and about the chuckling while posting thing, yes I did that often. Only because this game as a whole was amazingly amusing and never a real dull moment. Especially Volo's write ups and the whole mini martyr-drama that we all had. Really, I kept my ideas up in the air and probably should have done more work here, and in RL, but eh, what's the fun in that?

I think it is neat that there is somewhat of an advantage for the wolves, it makes reasoning a bit more, I dunno, less obvious and more fuzzy?

Though, like Azaelia has said, it was nice to get back in the swing of things. I haven't played in nearly a year either, and with that I had to leave early anyways.

Once again, it was awesome playing with all of you, thanks for helping with the best of freetime drainers and distractions! It helped my sanity.

Sorry for being too bubbly as of now, my friend's 18th birthday along with other things was today, and we took her out for a lovely time with much sugar, some gambling, coffee and other things of the drinking variety. So, I'm a little happy right now, but still glad to have had a chance to play with everyone!
I actually learned some more things this WW time around.

Hope to play with all of you soon again.


~ THE greatful and happily jittery Ka

[Groin Redbeard]

Over all I think the game went well. Volo, you and Legate did a great job at modding.

I can't believe that you were a wolf Thinlomien! I trusted you, you betrayed my trust! *runs away sobbing*

Well played, Brinniel, in particular. I'd been going along thinking you were a gifted by default...Sorry, Groin.

That's alright Azaelia, I should have listened to you about Thinlomien. We'll get her next time!

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Brinniel and Roa were the only ones of my fellows I really suspected and Aganzir and Greenie had me convinced of their innocnce. I could also have sworn after Day0 that Nogrod and Legate are wolves.

I was being honest about my suspicions on day 0. Well, I was thinking we had no chances and was a little irritated anyway when the game started, so I decided that if I can spot a fellow wolf, I can as well try to lynch them.
And I wasn't trying to please Roa by considering her innocent - I really thought so. But Greenie totally fooled me.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I do agree with you that it was the uneven amount of participation that made them so terrible at times.

I agree - and that made also "easy lynches" even easier than usual. If everyone had voted the one they found most suspicious rather than the non-participator, the game would probably have ended otherwise.
I'm sorry about lynching Shasta but I was playing as I would have as an innocent. Neither Ka nor Shasta had been suspicious at all, and I admit I prefer playing with a person who posts more.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Well, l may have been a seer who not only got a hunter lynched, but got herself killed in the process, but at least I can take comfort in one thing:
I knew who almost all of the wolves were.

The village had indeed no luck then. And we wouldn't probably have killed you very early anyway.

Originally Posted by THE Ka

This was an amazing game, I particularly enjoyed everyone's company. It was lovely to play of course again with Nogrod and Lommy and others, but is was also a pleasure playing with Aganzir and others. You were brilliant darling, and I admire the head on your shoulders.

Thank you, it was a pleasure to play with you as well. Hope you're not planning to have another year's break before playing again.

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

I can't believe that you were a wolf Thinlomien! I trusted you, you betrayed my trust! *runs away sobbing*

That's the way she is, there's no trusting her... Better for your heart to stay away from her and abandon every thought of marriage...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, folks, I must say this was an interesting game, in any case, though unfortunately short for me (Menel, I am waiting for you to apologize). Congratulations to all the Wolves & McCobbler who did really well for a first-timer.

As to the game balance, the output of the trials, whatever the case, is really, really much random. It can bring many information for the further game - but only for the further game, and that may mean already seven wolves in the village. I think the number is still somewhat unbalanced, as there is a real chance of having seven wolves in the village and thus, them winning right on Day 1. Just look at how many of them there were this time. I would at least, for example, use the Cobbler in one group instead of a Wolf, so, there will be one Ordo-Gifted-Cobbler group and there will be no Ordo-Cobbler-Wolf group (though, as it showed even this time, the cobbler does not necessarily have to mean bonus for the wolves, but the point is in making the number of wolves lesser).

Another thing I would like to emphasise is the participation. Nogrod already mentioned that here, but let me say it again: especially in a game like this, it is vital that everyone posts more at least during the trials, because otherwise, it ends with total randomness.

And one word for all future Mods - the remark about Rikae's dream pointed that out to me. Every Mod should double- (if not even quadruple or more) check whether all his rules are clear, factual, precise and unambiguous. The rules are supposed to be more sort of a legal document, and the terms should be exact.

As to WW32, I didn't see it such problematic, if you ask me, I think it was less unbalanced than this one. The only problem there was, as far as I remember, only the role of the Shade, who was by logic on the side of the Innocents (he would choose that by logic). But then he was just one more Gifted for the Village - otherwise, no problem.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Another thing I would like to emphasise is the participation. Nogrod already mentioned that here, but let me say it again: especially in a game like this, it is vital that everyone posts more at least during the trials, because otherwise, it ends with total randomness.

I promise to keep my mouth shut about the matter after this but just two little things...

I wouldn't say only that it's vital "especially in a game like this" but that this game kind of highlighted the impossibility of saying anything about those who don't post anything of any "substance". With this game there was a different dynamic than normally. It suited the wolves just fine to lynch those who were quiet as that ensured their lives as it was a threesome. Normally the wolves love the silent people because it leaves the random-choices to the villagers and/or provides them with unrisky fodder if that is needed.

Innocents in a normal game are very reluctant to choose someone who just threw in a line or two - not the least if there were many of them; how to differentiate between them? So they tend to lynch those who actually play the game...


Maybe we should play a game one day where we'd restrict everything one is allowed to say into two or three oneliners / Day without any serious coming forwards? I'd like to see how random and dull that game could be...

Maybe I'm just too old or conscientious but I can't see the difference between the net and the real-life in the sense that if you promise to play with your friends you're kind of expected to come along and play then RL or in the net. Not only with the rules but with the spirit as well. Just think of a deal made with your mates to play a card-game one evening which requires three players. What would the other two think if the third never appeared or came in but just threw the cards on the table randomly without trying to play? Why should it be different online?

Just to add. No I don't mean everyone should play the way I do, or Legate, or Lommy, or Roa, or Spm or... There are different styles and different personalities but people should participate if they promise to. I mean look at McCaber, Menel, Kath, Izzy, Sally etc. in this game! They played nicely and well even if they didn't flood the game but they took part in the game and made a difference to it! So it's not a quantitative question.

[Volo]

Okeydokey. Let's do some revealing.


Roles:

Day0.1: Valier (W), Legate (I), Menel (P)
Day0.2: Roa (W), Naria (I), McCaber (C)
Day0.3: Aganzir (W), Shasta (I), Ka (P)
Day0.4: Lommy (W), Might (I), Noggie (G)
Day0.5: Sally (W), Gil-Galad (I), Kath (D)
Day0.6: Brinn (W), Zali (I), Groin (D)
Day0.7: Lily (W), Izzie (I), Rikae (D)


Action:

Day0.0

”Votes”:

Might -> Noggie 1
Rikae -> Azaelia 1
Lily -> Groin 1
Legate -> Noggie 2
Roa -> Menel 1
Lommy -> Roa 1
Noggie -> Legate
Aganzir -> Zali 1


Day0.1

Votes:

Menel -> Legate 1
Valier -> Legate 2
(Legate)

Lynched: Legate


Day0.2

Votes:

Roa -> Naria 1
Naria -> Roa 1
(McCaber)

Lynched: Roa


Day0.3

Votes:

Aganzir -> Shasta 1
Ka -> Shasta 2
(Shasta)

Lynched: Shasta


Day0.4

Votes:

Might -> Might 1
Noggie -> Might 2
Lommy -> Might 3

Lynched: Might

Noggie -> Hunt: Lommy


Day0.5

Votes:

Sally -> Gil 1
Kath -> Gil 2
(Gil)

Lynched: Gil


Day0.6

Votes:

Brinn -> Groin 1
Groin -> Brinn 1
Zali -> Groin 2

Lynched: Groin


Day0.7

Votes:

Rikae -> Lily 1
Lily -> Rikae 1
Izzie -> Lily 2

Lynched: Lily


Night1

McCaber -> Dream: Roa

Rikae -> Dream: Lommy
Kath -> Dream: Noggie

Noggie -> Hunt: Lommy


Day1

Votes:

Brinn -> Nogrod 1
Menel -> Valier 1
Azaelia -> McCaber 1
Kath -> Valier 2
Sally -> McCaber 2
Rikae -> Nogrod 2
Lommy -> Nogrod 3
Izzie -> Aganzir 1
Aganzir -> McCaber 3
McCaber -> Nogrod 4
Nogrod -> McCaber 4

Lynched: Nogrod

Lynch-seer: Valier

Nogrod -> Hunt: Rikae

Immortality: Lommy (Night2)


Night2

Ka -> Protect: Aganzir

McCaber -> Dream: Legate

Kath -> Dream: sally

Wolfkill: Naria


Day2

Votes:

Menel -> Valier 1
Brinn -> McCaber 1
Valier -> McCaber 2
Ka -> McCaber 3
Aganzir -> McCaber 4
Zali -> McCaber 5
Lommy -> McCaber 6
McCaber -> McCaber 7
Kath -> Valier 2
Izzie -> Zali 1
Sally -> Valier 3

Lynched: McCaber

Immortality: Valier

[Volo]

Oh, and I added a bit of narration here.

[Brinniel]

Oh wow....I got back from Bruges an hour ago and am a bit sad I had to miss this wonderful ending. But still, we won! I just finished reading the thread and I admit I was laughing all the way through Day 2.

I only apologise for not be around as much as I usually am. This game started later than I thought it would when I first signed up; I wasn't planning to play while studying abroad, but at the same time this game looked too fun to back out.

Day 0 I had no idea how I should play...so I just went with the first thoughts that came to me. It worked since it made me look both innocent and a little suspicious...and boy was I happy to discover two of the people who found me slightly suspicious were actually wolves. Day 0.6 I played as innocently as possible. I decided to say outright which players looked most suspicious from the previous Days...making my opinions clear would make me less suspicious and besides, I've been very wrong in spotting werewolves in the past. That worked as well because even though I ended up suspecting a fellow teammate, I was able to use that suspicion to get Nogrod lynched on Day1. On Day 2, my participation was extremely limited since I was traveling to somewhere without internet. But I did manage to fit in one our wolf "codes" in a post in an attempt to get the bandwagon against McCaber going. I'm glad it worked...and it makes it so much sweeter that McCaber was a cobbler so willing to sacrifice himself.

So you think we could find out who all the Defenders dreamt of (still surprised there were actually three), the Protecters protected, and so on? I'm really interested to know..

As for the game, I enjoyed it a lot. I think the main reason it was unbalanced was because during the trial Days there was often a person who participated significantly less than others. In my eyes, those people seemed so obviously innocent...yet they were lynched just because they didn't say anything. Plus, if the other two players didn't vote for that one person it'd just be a tie. While I liked the one of each, perhaps the trial Days should've had more people (maybe 5) so that the people who chose not to participate as much or at all wouldn't have had such an effect on the rest of the game. Also, while it was a lot of fun for us wolves to have the roles unknown during Stage 2, I can see it making the game unbalanced...so perhaps anyone lynched after Stage 1 should have their roles revealed in narrations.

A big thanks to my fellow wolves who I had such a fun time plotting with. All of us were equally involved and my inbox filled up multiple times. I actually wish it could've lasted longer I enjoyed it so much.

I was never planning to WW while studying abroad and now that I have had a sample of it, I know it is way too stressful to do both. So while it's going to be hard since I'm way addicted, I'm not going to WW again until May. But I'm glad I got to end with such a great game. I was hoping for one big win (something I was unable to do for six months) before taking my three month break...and I got it. Not to mention...this is the first game I have not died in. A big thanks to Volo for letting me take part in this game so that'd I'd have the opportunity to go off with a bang.

Okay, I'm really tired so any more thoughts I have about the game will just have to come later...