Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLIX - At the Source of Darkness

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by tp

He might as well hang a "Kill me" sign around his neck. It looks so much like a relatively new player who has found a WW with his dream and is chomping at the bit to post. I was sort of expecting to show up today and find him a dead Seer, and everyone slapping their foreheads asking why he had to be so obvious.

If you really thought he was the seer, why would you point such a thing out? After all, Groin is still alive and if you're right you just pointed it out to the wolves. Though I don't think Groin is the seer....his statement sounded more like an ordinary innocent who's eager to share his thoughts.

Now no more of discussing seers and such! I just wanted to point out tp's comment which sounds a bit cobblerish...

Originally Posted by Nilp

We can safely conclude that a phantom is not a cobbler. I don't think any of us here, were he/she cobbler assassin, could bear not to make him the first target. Anyone disagrees?

I could disagree. There were plenty of people looking cobblerish yesterDay and the assassin could've targeted any one of them. But I do agree that the way tp is drawing attention, an assassin would probably hunt him early on. Perhaps if tp is still alive after the first few Nights, then we can safely conclude he's not a cobbler..

Looking back at the Kitanna debate, here's a summary of what I saw about people's opinions:

For the lynching of Kitanna
Mithalwen
Gwathagor
Shasta
Nilpaurion

Against the lynching of Kitanna
Lommy
Lalaith
Durelin
Greenie
Brinniel

Could've gone either way
Nogrod
Nerwen
phantom
Eonwe

And here was yesterDay's actual voting:

Lommy: ++Nogrod (Nogrod 1)
Shasta: ++Kitanna (Nogrod 1, Kitanna 1)
Gwathagor: ++Kitanna (Nogrod 1, Kitanna 2)
Greenie: ++Gwath (Nogrod 1, Kitanna 2, Gwath 1)
Durelin: ++Gwath (Nogrod 1, Kitanna 2, Gwath 2)
Mithalwen: ++Kitanna (Nogrod 1, Kitanna 3, Gwath 2)
Nilpaurion: ++Kitanna (Nogrod 1, Kitanna 4, Gwath 2)
Lalaith: ++the phantom (Nogrod 1, Kitanna 4, Gwath 2, tp 1)
Nogrod: ++Groin (Nogrod 1, Kitanna 4, Gwath 2, tp 1, Groin 1)
Brinn: ++Greenie (Nogrod 1, Kitanna 4, Gwath 2, tp 1, Groin 1, Greenie 1)
*Nerwen: ++Kitanna (Nogrod 1, Kitanna 5, Gwath 2, tp 1, Groin 1, Greenie 1)
*the phantom: ++Lalaith (Nogrod 1, Kitanna 5, Gwath 2, tp 1, Groin 1, Greenie 1, Lalaith 1)
*Eonwe: ++Greenie (Nogrod 1, Kitanna 5, Gwath 2, tp 1, Groin 1, Greenie 2, Lalaith 1)

Did not vote: Fea, Formendacil, Kitanna, Kath, Groin

*Votes technically didn't count

Quite honestly, I just don't see why a wolf would want to lynch Kitanna rather than have a chance of the death of two innocents in one Day. I think it was Nogrod who mentioned the possibility of a wolf voting Kitanna as a throwaway vote later on, and I agree that could be possible. But for the ones who voted her early on, I'd say it's more likely there's a cobbler or two among them who aimed to distract us and didn't want to risk the chance of lynching a wolf.

Of those who were against lynching Kitanna, I strongly feel that there's a wolf among them. Because of course the wolves would rather have two innocent kills than one.

As for those who gave no such opinion of the matter and those who didn't even vote, they could be anything.