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Nogrod · 10-31-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

In addition, I'll also mention (sorry to bring in meta-things) that he's hosting a party tonight and hasn't really slept in two days, so when he turns up he probably will just vote (if that) and go to bed. I wouldn't want to go after him when he couldn't defend himself, personally.

Well, he voted already...

Also I do dislike in principle that zero-argument of "let's not vote for someone who hasn't a chance to defend her/himself" as that might be a very convenient bluff to anyone - not to speak of the larger issue of people being able to only vote Americans or Europeans depending on the deadline!

I mean everyone should be guaranteed a right to vote the one they see as the most suspicious person whether that person is going to be online to defend her-/himself after the given vote or not.

Why should people with unconvenient deadline be immune to voting?

(I do appreciate the reasons you give for him not posting more toDay Rikae, but the question remains whether his inability to post more or later makes him more innocent.)

Rikae · 10-31-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Well, he voted already...

Oh, duh. *facepalm*

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Originally Posted by Mac

(I do appreciate the reasons you give for him not posting more toDay Rikae, but the question remains whether his inability to post more or later makes him more innocent.)

I didn't say that made him more innocent, I just said it was a reason for me not to go after him toDay.

Brinniel · 10-31-2008, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

I can see it as a sign of goodwill or trust (and that's appreciated Brinn, if it be that, and that's an honest comment) but gamewise it has no meaning - unless it is that you are trying to create a general feeling about you "seeing already the innocentness" of the one innocent tomorrow gone - after you kill me the next Night that is? Okay, you're not the only one who has said that but check toMorrow all those who have done it.

So what, you're saying it's a waste of time for me to state my opinion of you just because you're a goner? I agree it's not worth analysing you...that'd be a waste of time. But I think it'd be silly to completely ignore you and not share any opinion whatsoever.

These attacks towards Gollum bother me. Some of what Gollum says is flawed, but they seem more like newbie mistakes. It just feels to me that he's an easy lynch target- a scapegoat. I'm uncomfortable voting for any easy lynch targets because most often they turn out innocent.

I find Rikae's vote for Gollum and particularly how she's become fiery and put herself in a defensive mode eyebrow raising. Last time I recall her acting in this way, she was evil.

Rikae · 10-31-2008, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Brinniel

I find Rikae's vote for Gollum and particularly how she's become fiery and put herself in a defensive mode eyebrow raising. Last time I recall her acting in this way, she was evil.

I suggest you vote me, than. You, Nog and Cabbie's "random" vote will tie me with Gollum, and, frankly, this game doesn't need me if it's as unbalanced as I think, and I'm more interested in proving you, Nogrod, etc. wrong at this poitn than in surviving where I'm no use anyway.

Rikae · 10-31-2008, 06:15 PM

Incidentally, talking about easy targets:

1. Caling Gollum an "easy target" has been done already, it's becoming a meme, and it's a very convenient thing to say if he is likely to be lynched and Brinn knows that, at the very least, he isn't on her team.

2. Going after someone who's mad and fed up already, and who has been suspected by nearly everyone... now that's an easy target.

Rikae · 10-31-2008, 06:20 PM

Brinniel, what do you think of Eomer? And what do you think of Aganzir?

Nogrod · 10-31-2008, 05:45 PM

You also voted already Rikae...

So you were that confident with your vote - or are just a baddie feeling comfortable enough to wash your hands from the final decision, but interested enough to comment on things after your vote eg. meaning you could have voted later as well?

So why did youi vote already?

As an innocent I would leave my vote to the last possible instant if I knew I could be online after that moment. Well, if I actually knew who the baddie is I could vote earlier, but show me a case where an innocent villager is that sure that s/he could believe nothing coming would change her/his opinion - or do you dare to claim you know Gollum is a baddie!...

You never know when someone will fumble and totally screw her/his case so a reasonable person would wait and see until s/he has to retire as any post might break the scene.

Your actions speak strongly against your innocence.

Sorry...

Rikae · 10-31-2008, 05:51 PM

Nog, please, if you find me that guilty, vote me and be done with it and go look at someone else before you run out of time. That's really all I have to say to you anymore.

Rikae · 10-31-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

You also voted already Rikae...

So you were that confident with your vote - or are just a baddie feeling comfortable enough to wash your hands from the final decision, but interested enough to comment on things after your vote eg. meaning you could have voted later as well?

Actually, I'm an ordo feeling comfortable enough to wash my hands of the final decision, but interested enough to comment on things after my vote.

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Originally Posted by Nog

As an innocent I would leave my vote to the last possible instant if I knew I could be online after that moment. Well, if I actually knew who the baddie is I could vote earlier, but show me a case where an innocent villager is that sure that s/he could believe nothing coming would change her/his opinion - or do you dare to claim you know Gollum is a baddie!...

Well, good for you. I don't do the same thing every day, every game, myself.
If we have, as I think we do, only 4 baddies who aren't even a team, I can afford a hasty vote.

But like I said above, if you find me so incredibly suspicious, please, go ahead. I'll even come out and say "I'm a baddie" if it will end your unhealthy fixation.
You said you were going to look at everyone, and I'd like to see you do that. If I am indeed a baddie, I'm certainly doing a good job of distracting you.

Rikae · 10-31-2008, 05:58 PM

Also, Nogrod, have you ever suspected anyone but Mac or I since we started playing werewolf? Think about it.

Rikae · 10-31-2008, 06:02 PM

Actually, at this point, I'm so sick and disgusted with this game, and eager to have all the stupid accusations against me proven wrong, if I still had my vote I'd cast it against myself.
Nogrod, I think you're innocent, and I wish I could get you to snap out of this... obsessiveness. I mean, above you accused me of claiming Mac was more innocent because he was absent - you aren't even reading what you're responding to anymore.

Ok, that really is it. I swear, I'm not answering again.

EDIT: X'd with Brinn who spoiled my quadruple post.

10-31-2008, 05:45 PM	#7
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	You also voted already Rikae... So you were that confident with your vote - or are just a baddie feeling comfortable enough to wash your hands from the final decision, but interested enough to comment on things after your vote eg. meaning you could have voted later as well? So why did youi vote already? As an innocent I would leave my vote to the last possible instant if I knew I could be online after that moment. Well, if I actually knew who the baddie is I could vote earlier, but show me a case where an innocent villager is that sure that s/he could believe nothing coming would change her/his opinion - or do you dare to claim you know Gollum is a baddie!... You never know when someone will fumble and totally screw her/his case so a reasonable person would wait and see until s/he has to retire as any post might break the scene. Your actions speak strongly against your innocence. Sorry... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

10-31-2008, 06:02 PM	#11
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Quadruple posting Actually, at this point, I'm so sick and disgusted with this game, and eager to have all the stupid accusations against me proven wrong, if I still had my vote I'd cast it against myself. Nogrod, I think you're innocent, and I wish I could get you to snap out of this... obsessiveness. I mean, above you accused me of claiming Mac was more innocent because he was absent - you aren't even reading what you're responding to anymore. Ok, that really is it. I swear, I'm not answering again. EDIT: X'd with Brinn who spoiled my quadruple post.

10-31-2008, 06:15 PM	#5
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Incidentally, talking about easy targets: 1. Caling Gollum an "easy target" has been done already, it's becoming a meme, and it's a very convenient thing to say if he is likely to be lynched and Brinn knows that, at the very least, he isn't on her team. 2. Going after someone who's mad and fed up already, and who has been suspected by nearly everyone... now that's an easy target.

10-31-2008, 06:20 PM	#6
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Brinniel, what do you think of Eomer? And what do you think of Aganzir?

10-31-2008, 05:51 PM	#8
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Nog, please, if you find me that guilty, vote me and be done with it and go look at someone else before you run out of time. That's really all I have to say to you anymore.

10-31-2008, 05:58 PM	#10
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Also, Nogrod, have you ever suspected anyone but Mac or I since we started playing werewolf? Think about it.