Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Can I just clarify something? The reason I didn't like Sally's "flaw in the plan" business, and her push for a triple-lynch, is not that I'm so opposed to lynching Gil, but because it looks to me like she might have been seeking a way to "accidentally" de-rail the double-lynch. A risky business, certainly, but I wouldn't be surprised at a wolf panicking at that situation.

Re: Sally's post at #1609.

Ah... now this is a start, Sally. Not much of a start, but a start. In your own post that you quoted above, you say that it's "irrelevant" who my packmates were in that game. Not so: one of them was Nogrod, and the idea to kill you came from him.



Yes, you came up with a weak reason to suspect someone already suspected on equally weak grounds– which completely contradicted yours, by the way. (In contrast, quite a number of people thought the kill pointed to Nogrod... but no-one was willing to base a case against him on that alone.)



morm disagreed because his "theory" of why I was a wolf depended on my knowing perfectly well there was a Ranger... and lying about it. Have you actually not realised that yet?

However, the fact that you haven't is a point in your favour, as you'd think mormewolf would have told you at Night. Hmmn.

But anyway, Sally, I asked for your current case... the one which has to take into account the heavy attack on me from a known wolf. I'm not trying to trap you: I want to give you a chance to explain yourself. You're going to have to do better than you have so far.

I'm torn at the moment. It seems to me that your behaviour towards me could mean one of two things:

1. You're a wolf. You made a "me-too" leap for me when morm attacked me, without noticing that your reasoning contradicted his. You continued "suspecting" me after morm was exposed, without coming up with an explanation, because you weren't thinking like an innocent.

2. You're an ordo. You haven't had time to pay much attention to the game, and you're suspecting me out of habit and stubbornness.

General comment: the reason I'm findiing it so hard to make up my mind is that I've played a game in which the following things happened:

1. Rikae (wolf) and I (ordo) fought bitterly for a couple of Days.
2. Rikae was exposed by the Seer.
3. Sally pushed very hard to have me lynched instead of the known wolf Rikae, because she was "so stinking sure" I was a wolf too.
4. Sally got lynched next Day for her blatant attempt to save Rikae.
5. Sally turned out to be an ordo.

I have to go out now– I hope to be back in an hour or so.

EDIT: X'd with Rune and Brinniel.

At this point I'm just going to ignore Nerwen (not entirely, but I'm no longer going to respond to her egging me on, which is essentially all it is now) because I don't want to spend my potentially last hour alive in the village on her. So on that note I say one more time.

I suspect you of my own accord. No one else swayed me either way. I suspect you because you behaved suspiciously and I know that you, being crafty, would be pulling some of the same moves the wolves were pulling earlier in the game, and the way you react to my suspicion of you (rather rudely, might I add because you're suspecting me on much less, which I'll get to in a minute, yet you say it is I that is stubborn) makes me all the more suspicious.

And your case on me relies on such silly things.
A: I followed Morm in his suspicion of you. False. I suspected you as soon as I saw your post (the one about how 'expected' Cabbie's death was or whatever it was) because it seemed to awkward. I thought your lack of knowledge of the rules (particularly the ranger slip, though I do admit that could have been innocent I think it's very possible it was not) seemed off. You don't strike me as the kind to not pay attention to these things, so the fact that you made that mistake either means you are innocent and forgot to check everything or that you are a wolf and had assumed there was a ranger. Which would have factored into who you wanted to kill (granted Nog and Morm and Ka would have known, but most likely assumed you did as well) that fateful night. In short, I've covered why I suspected you, or at least why I started to suspect you, and that is the end of the discussion. Obviously there are others but there are other people in the game to concentrate on too.

B: the double/triple lynch day. Mind, I voiced my unhappiness with Nerwen being a rep because I suspected her. So yes, I was more than happy to go to the lengths to make sure the plan worked. (And admittedly I was a little overeager, but that's because I actually had a day off and was pretty much just hyperactive because I had the opportunity to be so in some context). I didnt' expect you to take action that Day, but when Morm's vote for Phantom made you the other voting rep, I got even more worried than I already was. And am I to be suspected for trying to help the village? I realized there was an alternative way to vote and put it up for discussion. Essentially I wanted to give Phantom the opportunity to kill Nog (and myself, just to spite the silly man ) and figured that if I had the chance, the addition to the plan wasn't that complicated. Never did I not run my idea past the group first, nor did I act against the will of the group on that Day. I simply provided alternatives to the idea we (or rather, Boro) already had.

C: You just always suspect me. Fair enough. I'm a bit biased myself, because in the last game in which you were a wolf you were, indeed, fairly crafty, and so I've learned never to trust you in the game unless I know your role. However, I have not continued to suspect you without cause and I haven't been simply concentrating on you (or at least I'd like not to be, but alas it appears I am spending my potential last hours talking about you) so I don't see how that is a problem. I don't have you on an auto-suspect list; I just refuse to trust you. There's a difference. Oh, and in that game you mentioned? Note that I was innocent. Scatterbrained and innocent, so basically you're saying that I act suspicious when I'm not so the fact that I'm suspicious means....I must be? Hehe. Does not compute.



Sorry. Forgot to turn on my alarm, apparently. Here now, and I'll go through and respond to a few things. Just give me a few minutes to collect my brain because otherwise you'll end up with more posts as all over the place as this one. My thoughts on Nerwen are in the open. I'll answer any questions anyone has, but I'm done spending my time on one person. I still need to rethink Ilya and Gwath. (And that Phantom's not half as funny as he appears, children, so watch that one)