The Middle Earth Popularity Cup - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Morthoron · 12-17-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

You infuriate me with your lack of seriousness in the matter, and making a mockery of the subject in the process!

Groin, please read the header of this forum. It is 'Middle-earth Mirth'. Mirth, by definition, indicates amusement, humor and wit. Please be indignant on a forum where such priggishness is more acceptable.

Oh, and Lord of the Rings is a book of fiction, not a holy text of biblical proportions. Take a deep breath, and...smoke some pipeweed for relaxation's sake.

Groin Redbeard · 12-17-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Morthoron

Groin, please read the header of this forum. It is 'Middle-earth Mirth'. Mirth, by definition, indicates amusement, humor and wit. Please be indignant on a forum where such priggishness is more acceptable.

Call it the dwarf in me, but I dislike the way you raise serious subjects and than dismiss them in a shroud of annoying silliness like some elf.

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Oh, and Lord of the Rings is a book of fiction, not a holy text of biblical proportions. Take a deep breath, and...smoke some pipeweed for relaxation's sake.

A holy book it might not be, but it is certainly not a hippie book. As for the pipeweed smoking I'll leave that up to for you to do.

++Boromir

He may not be as loyal or ethical as Beleg was, but he was dutiful and took pride in his deeds.

Strongbow · 12-17-2008, 12:51 PM

++Beleg

mormegil · 12-17-2008, 01:38 PM

++Beleg

Boromir is so boorish and banal.

Andsigil · 12-17-2008, 01:43 PM

++Boromir

I think he was as ethical as anyone. His problem was that he was like the vast majority of us. It takes a Gandalf, a Galadriel, or a Faramir to resist the call of The Ring. Had the overwhelming majority of anyone in ME been in Boromir's shoes, they'd have taken it, as well.

I'm one who thoroughly believes that mercy to the wolf is cruelty to the sheep. But I'd still accept the Temporary Insanity defense from Boromir's lawyer if he were on trial.

Tuor in Gondolin · 12-17-2008, 02:20 PM

++ Beleg

Morthoron · 12-17-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

Call it the dwarf in me, but I dislike the way you raise serious subjects and than dismiss them in a shroud of annoying silliness like some elf.

Nonsense! I haven't shown the slightest bit of seriousness in this whole thread! The nerve that I should be subject to such insinuation!

But as this is the holiday season, I shall ignore your prattle. In the immortal words of Foghorn Leghorn, "I come to bury the hatchet, but not in your pointed head."

Ibrîniðilpathânezel · 12-17-2008, 03:07 PM

Hm. Both characters are not among my favorites, and I don't want to wear out the coin, so let's see if I can come up with another means of choosing.

Beleg: guy who sticks by a friend, gets mistaken for an orc by said friend and is killed; said friend repents only because he drinks Ulmo-blessed water and regains his grief-stricken insanity.

Boromir: guy who tries to stick it to a friend to grab the Ring, repents, and gets killed by orcs while defending relatively defenseless hobbits.

Tough call.

*flip*

++Beleg

skip spence · 12-17-2008, 03:33 PM

As much as I love the story of Túrin and Beleg I'm going with ++Boromir who is a more interesting character than his opponent.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-17-2008, 04:04 PM

++Boromir

is the more interesting personality of those two. Besides, of all the remaining characters, he is probably the closest to poor old Saruman

Oh, and P.S.

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Call it the dwarf in me, but I dislike the way you raise serious subjects and than dismiss them in a shroud of annoying silliness like some elf.

Groin, one more word about Elves from you and I am going to neg-rep you

Lalwendë · 12-17-2008, 05:04 PM

Beleg is nice and everything, but Boromir is much more interesting, and maybe the fact that he isn't all that nice and has this bad streak is exactly what makes him that little bit more interesting?

++Boromir

Nerwen · 12-18-2008, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Morthoron

Nonsense! I haven't shown the slightest bit of seriousness in this whole thread!

Oh, but you should, Morth. You've been too dazzled by the bright lights to notice the seedy underbelly of the so-called Middle Earth Popularity Cup. If ever a cup could be said to possess an underbelly, this cup does. Don't you think it a little strange when a rank outsider like the so-called Beleg keeps beating the favourites? What do you know of the money that's changed hands... the bribery and intimidation... the organised crime syndicates behind bookmakers like the so-called Bêthberry? Not to mention the fact that it's run by notorious underworld kingpin skip "Shady" spence?

It's rotten, I tell you! Rotten to the core!

Nogrod · 12-18-2008, 11:45 AM

Darn it!

That's just what I feared! When the going gets tough the LotR-idols will prevail...

Well one must try and hope for some kind of a miracle; in Middle-Earth things have been accomplished in the last moments before as well!

++ Beleg

So a final between Gandalf and Boromir... That's just an anticlimax! Like this was some movie-fansite! ... Oh, sorry... it would have been Legolas and Frodo then...

Maybe I'll just have to forgive you your conventionality.

skip spence · 12-18-2008, 12:11 PM

Alas, Beleg has finally run out of miracles and is eliminated by the score of 8 votes to 6.

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

It's rotten, I tell you! Rotten to the core!

Hey now, that's a half-truth at best.

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Don't you think it a little strange when a rank outsider like the so-called Beleg keeps beating the favourites?

The fact that Beleg is now out proves conclusively that you are wrong.

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What do you know of the money that's changed hands... the bribery and intimidation... the organised crime syndicates behind bookmakers like the so-called Bêthberry? Not to mention the fact that it's run by notorious underworld kingpin skip "Shady" spence?

My unseemly wealth and affilation to organized crime has little or nothing to do with the results of the of the past month or the fair and generous odds provided by Betberry. Since your post contains libelous statements without any factual support, I advice you to delete it immidiately for everyone's best benefit (not least your own).

Semifinal 2:
Gandalf vs. Túrin

Andsigil · 12-18-2008, 12:15 PM

++Gandalf

I both like Gandalf and still dislike Turin.

I just don't understand all of the fascination with someone who poisons everything he touches, and then tries to rectify this by touching and poisoning more things. Oh, and feeling a lot of anguish about it.

Nogrod · 12-18-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Andsigil

I just don't understand all of the fascination with someone who poisons everything he touches, and then tries to rectify this by touching and poisoning more things. Oh, and feeling a lot of anguish about it.

That's called tragedy, a honourable literatury genre indeed which quite a many people have actually found quite fascinating... And a tragic hero carrying the curse of the gods and trying to fight against his fate beats a never-erring hero who's the favourite of the gods anyday!

++ Túrin

the phantom · 12-18-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nog

That's just what I feared! When the going gets tough the LotR-idols will prevail...

It hasn't been finalized yet, Nog. There's still hope for a Silmarillion versus LotR final. First Age versus Third Age. Boromir versus Turin.

Here's my vote for it.

++ Turin

First off, he really is a decent chap deep down. Look at his boyhood friendship with Sador. He had all the makings of a good, wise, and kindly man at that time. And he took a band of no-good ruffians and turned them into a force against Angband. And he showed compassion to Mim when he lost his son. With the life that he lived it is a wonder he still had goodness within him, yet we can see that he obviously did.

He tried so hard, but everything turned out terribly for him. And whenever he thought things were going well, that's when disaster always struck him. Of all the things Morgoth did, his curse upon Hurin and his family was one of the worst.

I say that we vote Turin the victory. Through our actions, the curse of Morgoth can be defeated! He thinks he can doom someone to forever be a loser? I think not. We Barrow-Downers can undo Morgoth's dark curse! Vote Turin!

edit: xpost, good going Nog!

12-17-2008, 12:51 PM	#3
Strongbow Wight Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South of the Capital Wasteland Posts: 119	++Beleg __________________ Is é gáire ár gcuid páistí a bheas mar dhíoltas againn. - Roibeard Gearóid Ó Seachnasaigh

12-17-2008, 01:38 PM	#4
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	++Beleg Boromir is so boorish and banal. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

12-17-2008, 01:43 PM	#5
Andsigil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Deepest Forges of Ered Luin Posts: 733	++Boromir I think he was as ethical as anyone. His problem was that he was like the vast majority of us. It takes a Gandalf, a Galadriel, or a Faramir to resist the call of The Ring. Had the overwhelming majority of anyone in ME been in Boromir's shoes, they'd have taken it, as well. I'm one who thoroughly believes that mercy to the wolf is cruelty to the sheep. But I'd still accept the Temporary Insanity defense from Boromir's lawyer if he were on trial. __________________ Even as fog continues to lie in the valleys, so does ancient sin cling to the low places, the depression in the world consciousness. Last edited by Andsigil; 12-17-2008 at 01:50 PM.

12-17-2008, 02:20 PM	#6
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	++ Beleg __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

12-17-2008, 03:07 PM	#8
Ibrîniðilpathânezel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the Helcaraxe Posts: 733	Hm. Both characters are not among my favorites, and I don't want to wear out the coin, so let's see if I can come up with another means of choosing. Beleg: guy who sticks by a friend, gets mistaken for an orc by said friend and is killed; said friend repents only because he drinks Ulmo-blessed water and regains his grief-stricken insanity. Boromir: guy who tries to stick it to a friend to grab the Ring, repents, and gets killed by orcs while defending relatively defenseless hobbits. Tough call. flip ++Beleg __________________ Call me Ibrin (or Ibri) :) Originality is the one thing that unoriginal minds cannot feel the use of. — John Stewart Mill

12-17-2008, 03:33 PM	#9
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,125	As much as I love the story of Túrin and Beleg I'm going with ++Boromir who is a more interesting character than his opponent. __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

12-17-2008, 05:04 PM	#11
Lalwendë A Mere Boggart Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the bed Posts: 4,737	Beleg is nice and everything, but Boromir is much more interesting, and maybe the fact that he isn't all that nice and has this bad streak is exactly what makes him that little bit more interesting? ++Boromir __________________ Gordon's alive!

12-18-2008, 11:45 AM	#13
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Darn it! That's just what I feared! When the going gets tough the LotR-idols will prevail... Well one must try and hope for some kind of a miracle; in Middle-Earth things have been accomplished in the last moments before as well! ++ Beleg So a final between Gandalf and Boromir... That's just an anticlimax! Like this was some movie-fansite! ... Oh, sorry... it would have been Legolas and Frodo then... Maybe I'll just have to forgive you your conventionality. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

12-18-2008, 12:15 PM	#15
Andsigil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Deepest Forges of Ered Luin Posts: 733	++Gandalf I both like Gandalf and still dislike Turin. I just don't understand all of the fascination with someone who poisons everything he touches, and then tries to rectify this by touching and poisoning more things. Oh, and feeling a lot of anguish about it. __________________ Even as fog continues to lie in the valleys, so does ancient sin cling to the low places, the depression in the world consciousness.