The Middle Earth Popularity Cup - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Andsigil · 12-18-2008, 12:15 PM

++Gandalf

I both like Gandalf and still dislike Turin.

I just don't understand all of the fascination with someone who poisons everything he touches, and then tries to rectify this by touching and poisoning more things. Oh, and feeling a lot of anguish about it.

Nogrod · 12-18-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Andsigil

I just don't understand all of the fascination with someone who poisons everything he touches, and then tries to rectify this by touching and poisoning more things. Oh, and feeling a lot of anguish about it.

That's called tragedy, a honourable literatury genre indeed which quite a many people have actually found quite fascinating... And a tragic hero carrying the curse of the gods and trying to fight against his fate beats a never-erring hero who's the favourite of the gods anyday!

++ Túrin

Andsigil · 12-18-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

That's called tragedy, a honourable literatury genre indeed which quite a many people have actually found quite fascinating... And a tragic hero carrying the curse of the gods and trying to fight against his fate beats a never-erring hero who's the favourite of the gods anyday!

++ Túrin

Look, there is tragedy, and then there is melodramatic self-sabotage. Turin shows too much of the latter.

Gollum the Great · 12-18-2008, 04:10 PM

++Turin

Lalwendë · 12-18-2008, 04:10 PM

++Gandalf

He's iconic, whereas Turin is just another guy with a sword.

He has a great name with an Old Norse heritage, whereas Turin is named after some Italian city and you feel like a plonker just saying his wispy name out loud, but saying the rich, meaty word 'gandalf' makes you feel all robust and manly...even if you are not a man

He's an Odinic Wanderer and an enigma, whereas Turin likes to abandon people. And kill them.

He doesn't let you down, whereas Turin is like the Frank Spencer of Middle-earth.

He's a hippy, and he can blow really cool smoke-rings.

Gollum the Great · 12-18-2008, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lalwendë

Turin is just another guy with a sword.

That's bull. Turin is a dragon-slayer, a tragedy, and one of the most elite fighters in Middle-Earth. All rolled into one. And that's only for starters.

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He has a great name with an Old Norse heritage, whereas Turin is named after some Italian city and you feel like a plonker just saying his wispy name out loud, but saying the rich, meaty word 'gandalf' makes you feel all robust and manly...even if you are not a man

What possible evidence have you that Tolkien based Turin's name off of that city? Even if he did- I haven't yet read all of the published Tolkien writings- what's wrong with it??? And about the origin of Gandalf's name, ever heard of castle Gandalfo? I imagine that the name "Gandalf" did come from old Norse, but what makes makes you think he wasn't just thinking of the castle in the first place?

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He's an Odinic Wanderer and an enigma, whereas Turin likes to abandon people. And kill them.

Who has taught you these lies? Never in the CoH is it mentioned that Turin enjoys leaving behind his friends (or anyone else). He didn't want to forsake Finduilas or kill Beleg, destroy Nargothrond or let Gwindor down (except after Gwindor let his name out, but you can't blame him for that).

Lalwendë · 12-18-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

That's bull. Turin is a dragon-slayer, a tragedy, and one of the most elite fighters in Middle-Earth. All rolled into one. And that's only for starters.

Come on, how many boys with swords are there in fiction? He's nothing special.

Tuor in Gondolin · 12-18-2008, 05:02 PM

+ + Gandalf

Gandalf overcame great temptations, wheareas
Turin's arrogance, as much as the curse, caused
him to fail.

the phantom · 12-18-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nog

That's just what I feared! When the going gets tough the LotR-idols will prevail...

It hasn't been finalized yet, Nog. There's still hope for a Silmarillion versus LotR final. First Age versus Third Age. Boromir versus Turin.

Here's my vote for it.

++ Turin

First off, he really is a decent chap deep down. Look at his boyhood friendship with Sador. He had all the makings of a good, wise, and kindly man at that time. And he took a band of no-good ruffians and turned them into a force against Angband. And he showed compassion to Mim when he lost his son. With the life that he lived it is a wonder he still had goodness within him, yet we can see that he obviously did.

He tried so hard, but everything turned out terribly for him. And whenever he thought things were going well, that's when disaster always struck him. Of all the things Morgoth did, his curse upon Hurin and his family was one of the worst.

I say that we vote Turin the victory. Through our actions, the curse of Morgoth can be defeated! He thinks he can doom someone to forever be a loser? I think not. We Barrow-Downers can undo Morgoth's dark curse! Vote Turin!

edit: xpost, good going Nog!

mormegil · 12-18-2008, 12:39 PM

Boromir in the finals? What an awful taste this has left in my mouth. Boro should have been eliminated in the first round.

++Turin

Strongbow · 12-18-2008, 03:20 PM

++Túrin

Because now I have a vendetta against popular characters.

Alas Beleg.

Groin Redbeard · 12-18-2008, 03:22 PM

++Gandalf

Possibly the best out of all Tolkien's characters.

12-18-2008, 12:15 PM	#1
Andsigil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Deepest Forges of Ered Luin Posts: 733	++Gandalf I both like Gandalf and still dislike Turin. I just don't understand all of the fascination with someone who poisons everything he touches, and then tries to rectify this by touching and poisoning more things. Oh, and feeling a lot of anguish about it. __________________ Even as fog continues to lie in the valleys, so does ancient sin cling to the low places, the depression in the world consciousness.

12-18-2008, 04:10 PM	#4
Gollum the Great Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Pinnacle of my own might Posts: 386	++Turin __________________ 'It just shows you how true it is that one-half the world doesn't knows how the other three-quarters lives.' Bertie, The Code of the Woosters, by P. G. Wodewouse

12-18-2008, 04:10 PM	#5
Lalwendë A Mere Boggart Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the bed Posts: 4,737	++Gandalf He's iconic, whereas Turin is just another guy with a sword. He has a great name with an Old Norse heritage, whereas Turin is named after some Italian city and you feel like a plonker just saying his wispy name out loud, but saying the rich, meaty word 'gandalf' makes you feel all robust and manly...even if you are not a man He's an Odinic Wanderer and an enigma, whereas Turin likes to abandon people. And kill them. He doesn't let you down, whereas Turin is like the Frank Spencer of Middle-earth. He's a hippy, and he can blow really cool smoke-rings. __________________ Gordon's alive!

12-18-2008, 05:02 PM	#8
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	+ + Gandalf Gandalf overcame great temptations, wheareas Turin's arrogance, as much as the curse, caused him to fail. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

12-18-2008, 12:39 PM	#10
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Boromir in the finals? What an awful taste this has left in my mouth. Boro should have been eliminated in the first round. ++Turin __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

12-18-2008, 03:20 PM	#11
Strongbow Wight Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South of the Capital Wasteland Posts: 119	++Túrin Because now I have a vendetta against popular characters. Alas Beleg. __________________ Is é gáire ár gcuid páistí a bheas mar dhíoltas againn. - Roibeard Gearóid Ó Seachnasaigh

12-18-2008, 03:22 PM	#12
Groin Redbeard Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Facing the world's troubles with Christ's hope! Posts: 1,635	++Gandalf Possibly the best out of all Tolkien's characters. __________________ I heard the bells on Christmas Day. Their old, familiar carols play. And wild and sweet the words repeatof peace on earth, good-will to men! ~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow