WW LXI: Grimm Tales

[Mirandir]

Sally - Was surpringly unvocal (is that even a word?) yesterDay, has only posted once today. She did say she was having internet issues, though, so she's okay for the time being.

Mira - Well, ya know. Or maybe you don't. It's certainly not my job to tell you.

Gaurcrist - Hasn't made an appearance that I've seen thus far.

Boro88 - I was fairly certain I was going to end up Night killed because of the suspicion surrounding Boro and myself yesterDay what with the hinting that he was the cobbler and I was a wolf or vice versa. However, the fact that I wasn't killed makes me even more suspicious. Not necessarily of him, but in general.

Kath - Epic failed at meeting us so we should lynch her. =P Just kidding. Nothing really on her.

Fea - Nobody's said that Fea looks suspicious yet. That generally means that she's evil. It's always when no one thinks she's suspicious that she's really evil and ends up fooling us all right until the end.

Mith - Is apparently a hormonal woman. I won't hold that against her for now, but if such behavior continues beyond toDay I'll be looking into it.

the phantom - Is phantom. I can never get a read on him.

Analysis of others might come later when I'm not trying to do three other things at one time.

[Mithalwen]

Mira I am fine today now that Phantom and Boro aren't being tiresome... at least I thought I was..... Well Boro is being fairly tiresome and the fact that he is fixated on me rather than say on someone who got an ordo killed might be annoying.

At the risk of sounding equally monomanic... Shasta.... either lying or 1/3 chance of being LRC. If LRC I'd bet the ranch he has been turned.

Love to hear what he has to say...

[Aganzir]

Okay so I've read everyone's posts but Boro's (and okay I admit I didn't read phantom's posts very carefully, either) and I doubt I have time to do it today.

Guilty
Gwath. How serious was the suggestion that Boro was trying to pass Mira off as a gifted? The comment about Fea stealing his vote doesn't look good - like, he wants to make sure people don't think he's bandwagoning. I don't know, I can't put my finger on it properly, but I don't like it. Now he voted for Boro again because of that same Mira thing. Basically he's spoken a lot without really saying anything.

Izzy. Voted for Shasta because of saying unwise things to the BBW, and brought forward the possibility of him bluffing. She questioned Nerwen's suggestion that Boro & Eomer being confused points to their innocence, and said it's easier for her to imagine they were faking it. Also, the way she started her first proper post today looks somehow forced or too self-conscious: "Nienna and Lommy? I suppose better than losing gifteds."

Greenie. To be honest I was a little taken aback by her aggressiveness on day 1, she seemed to react pretty strongly to some minor comments. I don't understand why she found it weird that Lommy and I considered each other innocent - we're pretty good at reading each other as long as we don't let quarrelling cloud our vision. Also, she reacted quite strongly to Shasta's ordo claim, saying it was a wolfish thing to say.

Originally Posted by Green

even if it was an honest reveal he might have been LRC.

Okay I don't know if I'm reading too much into this, but to me that might have been LRC looks like Greenie is slipping she knows Shasta isn't.
Her flip-flopping on Cab and Shasta makes her look better though, if she's a wolf I'd expect her to keep pursuing them.

Lari. Why were you suspicious of Lommy on day 1? She suspects people (Boro & Mith) because of how they sound. That's pretty easy because that way she can get away without elaborating (except if she was suspecting me ). Apart from that there's nothing to go on.

Fea. Surprisingly quiet. I didn't like her day 1 vote which sounded over-explanatory, and Lommy's death could point at her being a wolf.

sally. I don't like her "tempted to lynch phantom just to see if he can be lynched on day 1" comment, it looks like she's sort of testing the ice to see how many people would be willing to lynch a player who's dangerous to the wolves if innocent. Also, I don't like her vote for me. Or, voting for someone on day 1 because of a weird feeling would be okay, but I don't like it that she continues with her suspicions today without even trying to explain them. It's such an easy way, as well as her suspicion of Eomer because the tone of his posts "looks wolfish". So sally care to elaborate about me?

Mira. Easy vote on day 1. Today she voted for Fea because she must be evil since no one has suspected her thus far. I understand she's busy but she's playing it too easy and needs some pressure put on her.

Innocent
Inziladun. Seems genuinely helpful and his opinions look innocentish. I'd imagine a newbie wolf to be tenser.
Eomer. I don't think he'd bluff about the Reddie thing (or would he? I've played just a couple of games with him), so it most likely points to his not being a wolf. Looks pretty innocentish anyway.
Kath. Her arguments look innocent and she comes across as genuine.

Neither
Mith. I keep flip-flopping on her. Her suggestions on day 1 looked really innocent. The way she went after Shasta (flip-flopping on whether she thought he was a wolf or an ordo) was weird, though. But I have a hard time seeing her as a baddie because then she would probably have read the description of Reddie in the rules more closely. I'm maybe a bit more inclined to think she's innocent, but I really don't know.
Cab. It's ages since I've last played with him but he seems to be louder than usual. He doesn't offer many opinions about players though. Cab what did you mean when you said you could see what Boro was trying to do with "this"? All in all there's too little serious material to go on.
Gaurcrist. Too little to go on.
Nerwen. There's surprisingly little to go on but she looks honest. She made a good point about Boro & Eomer's confusion about Reddie pointing to their innocence. If she was anyone but Nerwen, she'd be on the innocent list.
Shasta. Voted for Boro on light grounds, which could have got him lynched. I don't think the ordo comment was suspicious in itself but it's definitely dangerous in case he is/was really an ordo. If he had been a wolf from the start, he'd probably know when the deadline is, and I just wouldn't expect him to bluff that. I don't know what should be done with him now, though. The wolves probably tried him last night so it's possible he's a wolf now. He's been more talkative/substantial today than he was yesterday, but he also looks innocentish. Like, quite relaxed. And no I'm not angry with you!
Boro. Quite frankly I can't read him. I don't think a wolfish Boro would have got confused about the way Reddie is turned, though, and bluffing it doesn't seem like something he would have done. I must read his posts before saying anything definite though (not that I think it will help much).
phantom. I'm not able to figure him out so I leave him be for now.

I've been keeping an eye on the thread so technically I don't cross post with anyone, but I haven't paid much attention to what's been said.

[Boromir88]

Mith...do you want to be lynched? If not, answer why?

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Mith...do you want to be lynched? If not, answer why?

I refer you to the post I have just made. Anyway well done on getting rid of me - don't have to waste a night kill Mr Wolf.

[Boromir88]

I refer you to the post I have just made. Anyway well done on getting rid of me - don't have to waste a night kill Mr Wolf.~Mith

And this is it. I am trying to be serious and help you here, because usually we have very good rapport as innocents. I am innocent, that I know and if you are too, I don't want to lynch you. But that type of post is making it very difficult to convince me that you actually are innocent.

[Mithalwen]

Well I know I can't trust you at all Boromir. Not one single word.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I don't want to vote Boro because he needs to redeem himself for the fail-kill last night.

Could someone translate to me what Shasta means with this because I simply don't get it?

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

It was the reduced statistics not the not knowing if he had been turned.

Ah okay, I thought you were letting on him because you thought it was useless as we don't know if he's been turned and that sounded weird.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Now, it's fair enough to raise objections (and I never claimed it proved anything)... but I just don't like the way she shifts ground there.

Me neither. It looks like she's trying to make us doubt Eomer and Boro and ignore the things that make them look better.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Would there be any hint in narrations if someone gets turned, because it would be very unbalanced if we are left in the dark of how many baddies we are up against?

I agree. I know I complained that the game looked unbalanced against the baddies before it started, but well now it seems to be the opposite. It'd be great if there could be even some hint about the Reddie being turned.

I really don't know who to vote, I don't find any of those who have votes very suspicious. I'm considering Izzy who looks the worst to me but not sure yet. How many still to vote? 10?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Am I missing something? What's with the emo-posting, Mith? I have the same number of votes as you - and don't forget they're retractable.

All is not lost!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Sorry, missed Shasta's vote. Well, same number as Boro anyway. And don't forget Hansel and Gretel. Plenty of permutations.

[Mithalwen]

Aganzir....I wasn't flipflopping I was considering possibilities... I don't KNOW which he is ...only the wolves know their fellows and I am not a wolf, but I think I am going to be lynched anyway Is it worth defending myself .... not for myself maybe?

I am spent, Ishall go with the sun.

[Nerwen]

Current tally.

Lari -> Boro
Gaur -> Boro
Kath -> Eomer
Mira -> Fea
Boro -> Mith
Sally -> Eomer
Gwath -> Boro
Izzy -> Mith
Shasta -> Mith
Inziladun -> Kath

So it's Mith 3, Boro 3, Eomer 2.

EDIT: X's since Mith at 316.

[McCaber]

For once I'm almost at a loss of what to do here. I was leaning towards Mith, but now I'm starting to have my doubts.

And I only have 15 minutes to choose.

EDIT: crossed with Agan

[McCaber]

Well then. 5 of us left, and still no real answers. I'm in the same boat as Greenie here. None of these are a real choice for me.

++Mith

EDIT: crossed with a lot.