TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Pitchwife · 08-13-2009, 12:53 PM

OK, here's my opinions on the people who have said the most so far (I'll skip the 4 pages of early morning banter and gnitirw sdrawckab for now and start with the beginning of the bear discussion).
Hakon - sounds like a rather inexperienced player trying to get the hang of it, making an effort to contribute and suggesting experimental strategy. We may not agree with his suggestions, but I see nothing in them that shouts bear, wolf or cobbler.
Mac - fewer posts than some others, but those reasonable.
morm - I can understand his initial vote for Hakon as him being simply annoyed, but his retracting and then locking it, thus wasting any chance of correcting later when there's more evidence, worries me. If he's innocent, that was unnecessarily harsh.
Nerwen- I'm glad our Reverser has reverted to posting legibly. A nice mixture of sensible and amusing. I find her difficult to read even when she's not writing backwards, so no opinion as of now.
Rikae - talking sense, I'd say, except for the fact that she's done a lot to prolong a discussion she says herself is useless; maybe because there was little else to discuss at the time, or maybe... I don't know.
To be continued.

(x-ed with everything since phantom's #264, need some time to catch up)

Macalaure · 08-13-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by morm

It is an exceptionally safe vote that doesn't leave any sort of trail of evidence. Because once it is decided that Fea will be voted for it gives far too easy a way for wolves/bear to hide.

The morm is right. Listen to him.

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Originally Posted by Sally

Lynch me for it if you want, but I'm not discussing the surveys. Every other werewolf game we rely on how people act, vote, etc. in order to lynch baddies and I don't see why this should be any different.

The Sally is right, too. Listen to her.

My problem is that both want to lynch Hakon, who is in all probability innocent, with a small chance of cobblery. Don't listen to them!

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 01:03 PM

Not enough or enough of substance from:
autume
Durelin
Formendacil
Inziladun
Lommy (but she excused herself)
Shasta
Mira

Shall we dust off ye olde "Lynch the Quiet Ones" theory? Of the others, I have no strong suspects, although Nessa and tp have been tripping my radar a bit... however, the Rangifer Tarandus are resting far too comfortably on this heap of players...

EDIT: Bolding and x'd with Morm.

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 01:07 PM

Hm, gotta wonder why Brinn is more worried about being suspected than about catching a wolf...

Hakon · 08-13-2009, 01:08 PM

Sally, of course I wish I was either a wolf or the cobbler. Sadly I am not.

Rikae, I would take Inziladun off that list. At least we know he has been reading these posts and has been online. He also has made several posts unlike the rest of the people on that list. Why is Nessa tripping your radar?

satansaloser2005 · 08-13-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakon

Sally, of course I wish I was either a wolf or the cobbler. Sadly I am not.

Ah, good, you're the bear then.

(Hey, he didn't say he wasn't!

)

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 01:15 PM

Nessa's random-vote talk earlier toDay, and also the way she responded (or didn't respond) to suspicion.

However, come to think of it, Brinn and Nienna are also rather suspicious for the Fea-voting talk - I would say Nienna more than Brinn, since she's more low-key about it, as if trying to avoid drawing attention to herself. Interesting that Boro found Brinn suspicious for this, but not Nienna.

EDIT: X'd with everybody since Hakon.

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 01:20 PM

Focus, people!

Lariren Shadow · 08-13-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Focus, people!

Am trying! Working on a list of people and again going up against the "well they haven't posted" thing.

mormegil · 08-13-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Focus, people!

Agreed!

Hakon · 08-13-2009, 01:36 PM

I have four people I am most suspicous of. The first of these being Mormegil. I have a gut feeling that something is off with him and his vote for me seems way too rushed. I think he might be a wolf but this is just off of a gut feeling.

The next person is Sally. This is also mostly a gut feeling but also on some stuff she said. I think she might be the cobbler and trying to frame me. She said it looks like I want to be the cobbler and that makes me think that maybe she is the cobbler.

The third person is The Phantom. He actually seems very innocent it just that he is very active and suggesting good ideas. In in my opinion that is the best way to hide being a wolf. What I originally thought was that Phantom was the bear with all of his bear talk. That leads me to my fourth person, Rikae. I think she might be the bear. I think this because she argued against Phantom's idea of the bear helping and my idea as well. This makes me think that she is the bear and she wishes to not help. Most of these are bad theories, oh well. Those are the four people I am most suspicious of.

Crossed with Rikae's 314.

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 01:34 PM

Hm, it may be that Hakon is a wolf. It's not only that he's suggested silly things (that in itself is probably not wolfish) but that he's been particularly enthusiastic, touchy, and ge suggested the whole surveys thing and then, given permission to discuss it, didn't pursue it further... still seems like an easy vote, though.

The phantom - well, he really has me wondering now - I could almost see him laughing behind his computer as he argued for voting Fea...

Mac, although I disagree with him on several points, seems quite innocentish. I just wish he could appreciate the fun of 8 pages in less than a day...

Nienna, as I said above, looks a bit suspicious.

Autume has not posted anything that can be read in any way, and never did so in the previous game I played with her... she might be a good choice simply because we'll never pin her down otherwise.

Brinn wants to vote for Fea for Brinn-ish and fairly unsuspicious reasons.

Morm seems relatively normal, aside from going after Brinn oddly.

Nessa, what I said before, but it might be newbieness.

Sally I haven't looked at closely enough. She did make an easy vote, I think.

Pitchwife looks quite sensible, which may or may not be innocentish.

As for everyone else, I don't know what to say.

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 01:37 PM

I have wasted way too much of this day on this game, so I'm just letting you know I'm not going to be around for several hours. Don't do anything I would do, kids.

Pitchwife · 08-13-2009, 01:28 PM

That sudden accumulation of votes for Hakon does look suspicious - Alona's a little less than Sally's, who has also locked hers. Wolves picking an easy target? Hardly all three of them (too obvious), but there may be one wolf among them.
That said, Hakon, why you would wish to be a wolf or the cobbler is beyond me.

About the surveys - I tend to agree that the wolves are most likely a mixed team; the gifted probably too.

I see nothing wrong with phantom's idea of using Fea as a near-deadline lightning-rod to avoid lynching a gifted - if, and only if, we have nothing else to go on, i.e. no other suspects. morm's point that the wolves could safely vote for Fea without leaving a trail is valid, but how would a Fea vote leave less of a trail than a No-vote?

Brinniel · 08-13-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by morm

This seems awfully strange. I get it that only by lynching the bear will we get the kills to one but she seems to discount the lynching of the wolves completely. A wolf wouldn't be unhappy to get rid of the bear. Also just because odds are slim doesn't mean we shouldn't at least try. This line of thought makes me fairly suspicious of Brinn.

I was just saying that because the main argument for not voting Fea seemed to be so we could eliminate the threat of two kills per Night immediately and the only way to do that is to kill the bear since it'll take multiple Days to lynch the wolves down to zero. While it's difficult to kill a baddie on Day One as it is and we'll most likely lynch an innocent, if we do kill a baddie, it's more likely we'd find a wolf and not the bear since they are larger in numbers. Of course lynching a wolf would be great, but it won't reduce the number of kills per Night.

Brinniel · 08-13-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Hm, gotta wonder why Brinn is more worried about being suspected than about catching a wolf...

Probably because there was an entire Day last game that seemed to be mostly focused on me because apparently my vote on Day One was most suspicious...and I almost got lynched for it.

And of course I was innocent.

Boromir88 · 08-13-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Brinniel

Probably because there was an entire Day last game that seemed to be mostly focused on me because apparently my vote on Day One was most suspicious...and I almost got lynched for it.

And of course I was innocent.

And then you tried to save me who threw my vote at you to save my own skin! haha that was a good game...besides getting slaughtered

Lariren Shadow · 08-13-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

And then you tried to save me who threw my vote at you to save my own skin! haha that was a good game...besides getting slaughtered

*grumblegrumble*shortgame*grumblegrumble*

autume98 · 08-13-2009, 01:39 PM

I have been reading the posts. I'm currentlly at work where the only internet I have to this site is my cell phone. Not to mention work is a little busy right now. Ugh.

I am leaning toward what Sally said regarding voting for Fea. I think we should at least try to lynch the bear or one of the wolves.

Also, I agree that Hakon looks pretty suspicious at this point.

Edit: x-ed with #309 to this one

Brinniel · 08-13-2009, 01:40 PM

I really must go now; I meant to leave hours ago.

But fine. Since I know you all will give me a bunch of crap if I vote Fea, I won't. So my vote will be random instead.

++morm

There. Now I don't want to hear any crap about it since it seems you all were asking I vote for someone random instead of a soon-to-be-dead player. And so I have. And at least it's better than voting Hakon who I think is an easy lynch for Day One.

I might be back and able to change my vote, but don't count on it.

Pitchwife · 08-13-2009, 01:55 PM

Answering my own question from last post: because a No-voter will have to give reasons next Day, whereas a Fea-voter can always say xe followed phantom's suggestion. OK.

Rikae - I never said, nor meant to imply, that you're the bear (Hakon said that). You could be (not accusing you, just mentioning the possibility) a wolf who doesn't want the bear to turn on the wolves. You could be an innocent who simply happens to disagree with phantom. Most probably the latter.

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Rikae - I never said, nor meant to imply, that you're the bear (Hakon said that).

Yes, I don't know why I thought that was you.

mormegil · 08-13-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Brinniel

But fine. Since I know you all will give me a bunch of crap if I vote Fea, I won't. So my vote will be random instead.

There. Now I don't want to hear any crap about it since it seems you all were asking I vote for someone random instead of a soon-to-be-dead player. And so I have. And at least it's better than voting Hakon who I think is an easy lynch for Day

Wow Brinn, this seems very odd. Again you've done something odd to me. It has nothing to do with the vote for me. I couldn't care less about that but what is strange is the willingness to do what you perceive the crowd to want. There are still plenty that are okay with the Fea lynch plan. When somebody is too worried about looking good and not doing what they feel is best it worries me.

ps I am only to this point on reading.

08-13-2009, 12:53 PM	#1
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	OK, here's my opinions on the people who have said the most so far (I'll skip the 4 pages of early morning banter and gnitirw sdrawckab for now and start with the beginning of the bear discussion). Hakon - sounds like a rather inexperienced player trying to get the hang of it, making an effort to contribute and suggesting experimental strategy. We may not agree with his suggestions, but I see nothing in them that shouts bear, wolf or cobbler. Mac - fewer posts than some others, but those reasonable. morm - I can understand his initial vote for Hakon as him being simply annoyed, but his retracting and then locking it, thus wasting any chance of correcting later when there's more evidence, worries me. If he's innocent, that was unnecessarily harsh. Nerwen- I'm glad our Reverser has reverted to posting legibly. A nice mixture of sensible and amusing. I find her difficult to read even when she's not writing backwards, so no opinion as of now. Rikae - talking sense, I'd say, except for the fact that she's done a lot to prolong a discussion she says herself is useless; maybe because there was little else to discuss at the time, or maybe... I don't know. To be continued. (x-ed with everything since phantom's #264, need some time to catch up) __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

08-13-2009, 01:08 PM	#5
Hakon Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Twilight Zone Posts: 736	Sally, of course I wish I was either a wolf or the cobbler. Sadly I am not. Rikae, I would take Inziladun off that list. At least we know he has been reading these posts and has been online. He also has made several posts unlike the rest of the people on that list. Why is Nessa tripping your radar? __________________ Medicine for the soul. ~Inscription over the door of the Library at Thebes

08-13-2009, 01:36 PM	#11
Hakon Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Twilight Zone Posts: 736	I have four people I am most suspicous of. The first of these being Mormegil. I have a gut feeling that something is off with him and his vote for me seems way too rushed. I think he might be a wolf but this is just off of a gut feeling. The next person is Sally. This is also mostly a gut feeling but also on some stuff she said. I think she might be the cobbler and trying to frame me. She said it looks like I want to be the cobbler and that makes me think that maybe she is the cobbler. The third person is The Phantom. He actually seems very innocent it just that he is very active and suggesting good ideas. In in my opinion that is the best way to hide being a wolf. What I originally thought was that Phantom was the bear with all of his bear talk. That leads me to my fourth person, Rikae. I think she might be the bear. I think this because she argued against Phantom's idea of the bear helping and my idea as well. This makes me think that she is the bear and she wishes to not help. Most of these are bad theories, oh well. Those are the four people I am most suspicious of. Crossed with Rikae's 314. __________________ Medicine for the soul. ~Inscription over the door of the Library at Thebes

08-13-2009, 01:28 PM	#14
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	That sudden accumulation of votes for Hakon does look suspicious - Alona's a little less than Sally's, who has also locked hers. Wolves picking an easy target? Hardly all three of them (too obvious), but there may be one wolf among them. That said, Hakon, why you would wish to be a wolf or the cobbler is beyond me. About the surveys - I tend to agree that the wolves are most likely a mixed team; the gifted probably too. I see nothing wrong with phantom's idea of using Fea as a near-deadline lightning-rod to avoid lynching a gifted - if, and only if, we have nothing else to go on, i.e. no other suspects. morm's point that the wolves could safely vote for Fea without leaving a trail is valid, but how would a Fea vote leave less of a trail than a No-vote? __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

08-13-2009, 01:39 PM	#19
autume98 Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The other side of the fish bowl Posts: 267	I have been reading the posts. I'm currentlly at work where the only internet I have to this site is my cell phone. Not to mention work is a little busy right now. Ugh. I am leaning toward what Sally said regarding voting for Fea. I think we should at least try to lynch the bear or one of the wolves. Also, I agree that Hakon looks pretty suspicious at this point. Edit: x-ed with #309 to this one __________________ The only thing to expect is the unexpected. Last edited by autume98; 08-13-2009 at 01:50 PM.

08-13-2009, 01:03 PM	#3
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Not enough or enough of substance from: autume Durelin Formendacil Inziladun Lommy (but she excused herself) Shasta Mira Shall we dust off ye olde "Lynch the Quiet Ones" theory? Of the others, I have no strong suspects, although Nessa and tp have been tripping my radar a bit... however, the Rangifer Tarandus are resting far too comfortably on this heap of players... EDIT: Bolding and x'd with Morm.

08-13-2009, 01:07 PM	#4
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Hm, gotta wonder why Brinn is more worried about being suspected than about catching a wolf...

08-13-2009, 01:15 PM	#7
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Nessa's random-vote talk earlier toDay, and also the way she responded (or didn't respond) to suspicion. However, come to think of it, Brinn and Nienna are also rather suspicious for the Fea-voting talk - I would say Nienna more than Brinn, since she's more low-key about it, as if trying to avoid drawing attention to herself. Interesting that Boro found Brinn suspicious for this, but not Nienna. EDIT: X'd with everybody since Hakon.

08-13-2009, 01:20 PM	#8
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Focus, people!

08-13-2009, 01:34 PM	#12
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Hm, it may be that Hakon is a wolf. It's not only that he's suggested silly things (that in itself is probably not wolfish) but that he's been particularly enthusiastic, touchy, and ge suggested the whole surveys thing and then, given permission to discuss it, didn't pursue it further... still seems like an easy vote, though. The phantom - well, he really has me wondering now - I could almost see him laughing behind his computer as he argued for voting Fea... Mac, although I disagree with him on several points, seems quite innocentish. I just wish he could appreciate the fun of 8 pages in less than a day... Nienna, as I said above, looks a bit suspicious. Autume has not posted anything that can be read in any way, and never did so in the previous game I played with her... she might be a good choice simply because we'll never pin her down otherwise. Brinn wants to vote for Fea for Brinn-ish and fairly unsuspicious reasons. Morm seems relatively normal, aside from going after Brinn oddly. Nessa, what I said before, but it might be newbieness. Sally I haven't looked at closely enough. She did make an easy vote, I think. Pitchwife looks quite sensible, which may or may not be innocentish. As for everyone else, I don't know what to say.

08-13-2009, 01:37 PM	#13
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	I have wasted way too much of this day on this game, so I'm just letting you know I'm not going to be around for several hours. Don't do anything I would do, kids.

08-13-2009, 01:40 PM	#20
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	I really must go now; I meant to leave hours ago. But fine. Since I know you all will give me a bunch of crap if I vote Fea, I won't. So my vote will be random instead. ++morm There. Now I don't want to hear any crap about it since it seems you all were asking I vote for someone random instead of a soon-to-be-dead player. And so I have. And at least it's better than voting Hakon who I think is an easy lynch for Day One. I might be back and able to change my vote, but don't count on it. __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

08-13-2009, 01:55 PM	#21
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Answering my own question from last post: because a No-voter will have to give reasons next Day, whereas a Fea-voter can always say xe followed phantom's suggestion. OK. Rikae - I never said, nor meant to imply, that you're the bear (Hakon said that). You could be (not accusing you, just mentioning the possibility) a wolf who doesn't want the bear to turn on the wolves. You could be an innocent who simply happens to disagree with phantom. Most probably the latter. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI