WWLXX: At the Prison of Ice - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

satansaloser2005 · 12-06-2009, 01:31 PM

*snickers* Maybe we should keep around.

Nah.

Shastanis Althreduin · 12-06-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac

This is interesting. The reason for suspecting you (at least for me) is mostly your horrible voting record (yesterDay it was just sketchy, now it's pretty evil).

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Originally Posted by Brinn

I believe I did explain my suspicions yesterDay. And then your actions at the end of the Day looks awfully sinister which is why I'm even more worried about you.

*snickers* I just can't win.

Let's look at things this way, since apparently what makes me evil is my vote for Nienna. I'll ask the same thing I did about my Nerwen vote, when people jumped on that - since when is it wolfish to vote someone you suspect? Nienna's voting record was even worse than mine at that point, having voted to save Mnemo twice. I'm sorry she was innocent, but I'm not sorry I voted her.

Shastanis Althreduin · 12-06-2009, 01:37 PM

Note: I'm going to be on the road for an hour. I should be back about half an hour before deadline. In case I'm not -

++Pitch

Boromir88 · 12-06-2009, 01:53 PM

That ran a bit later than I thought. I'm going to vote now:

++Pitch

in case I can't get back here before the DL.

Thinlómien · 12-06-2009, 01:54 PM

Where's everybody? It's not much more than hour until the DL and while this might not be the most exciting Day ever, this is kind of lame...

Hmm. What if everybody states who would they vote if Pitch wasn't an option? I think that would be a good idea, because it would a) force people to actually think a bit more and b) force everybody to make a statement. And this would be like a real vote, so stuff like "I'd vote Roa or trom" should be forbidden.

I, for one, I'm going to do that, but not yet because I'm still quite torn between Wilwa, Shasta and Brinn.

edit: xed with Boro

satansaloser2005 · 12-06-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Where's everybody? It's not much more than hour until the DL and while this might not be the most exciting Day ever, this is kind of lame...

Hmm. What if everybody states who would they vote if Pitch wasn't an option? I think that would be a good idea, because it would a) force people to actually think a bit more and b) force everybody to make a statement. And this would be like a real vote, so stuff like "I'd vote Roa or trom" should be forbidden.

I, for one, I'm going to do that, but not yet because I'm still quite torn between Wilwa, Shasta and Brinn.

edit: xed with Boro

Not an entirely bad idea. My vote preference would have followed the order given in my earlier suspicion list, so more or less Wilwa, Shasta, or Lommie (with Brinn as a fourth).

Pitchwife · 12-06-2009, 02:02 PM

What I don't get is why the wolves thought this whole Seer-reveal thing necessary, or even a good idea; it seems pretty risqué, and it'll put Lottie in a tight spot toMorrow. You might think Greenie's death would be quite enough to frame me, if they were planning to do that, as she'd been suspecting me for quite a while. And why me? It's not like I was a big threat to them, or am I overlooking something? Very puzzling...

Nogrod · 12-06-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

What I don't get is why the wolves thought this whole Seer-reveal thing necessary, or even a good idea; it seems pretty risqué, and it'll put Lottie in a tight spot toMorrow.

Assuming your innocence - for the argument's sake here - I would agree that if Lottie is a wolf it would have been a bad idea indeed. And I can't see a reason for her to do it if she were a wolf.

But there is this secret role which Lottie probably is. What kind of role it is, is another matter. Lottie has told us she's a birthday dreamer, but that's actually all we have. It might be she's a cobbler of a kind, or a false seer (I've heard of that kind of role as well: there the "false-seer" thinks s/he's a seer but gets wrong information - but I think in a game with a false seer there is also a "right seer"), or whatever weird thing Legate has come up with.

I mean it can even be that Lottie has been what she is from the very beginning and now just tells us her powers work on the Night to come. But of that we have also only her word.

But however it is, we should see what Pitch is first and then act on that.

Talking of which...

++ Pitchie

satansaloser2005 · 12-06-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Assuming your innocence - for the argument's sake here - I would agree that if Lottie is a wolf it would have been a bad idea indeed. And I can't see a reason for her to do it if she were a wolf.

But there is this secret role which Lottie probably is. What kind of role it is, is another matter. Lottie has told us she's a birthday dreamer, but that's actually all we have. It might be she's a cobbler of a kind, or a false seer (I've heard of that kind of role as well: there the "false-seer" thinks s/he's a seer but gets wrong information - but I think in a game with a false seer there is also a "right seer"), or whatever weird thing Legate has come up with.

I mean it can even be that Lottie has been what she is from the very beginning and now just tells us her powers work on the Night to come. But of that we have also only her word.

But however it is, we should see what Pitch is first and then act on that.

Talking of which...

++ Pitchie

My thoughts exactly. If it is a wolf move to do this elaborate reveal I'd go with Lottie (who either spearheaded it or was talked into it), Bes (the new kid), and either Mac or Boro (who are just mad enough to try something like this). Other than that I'd say Lottie could be some sort of something and could be telling the truth but twisting it, etc. But we'll know nothing until we lynch someone.

Nogrod · 12-06-2009, 02:21 PM

Add-on to the former speculation.

If Pitch turns out wolf as it looks like, we can't afford leaving Lottie to be among the last players anyway. I mean we have no hurry to lynch her like toMorrow but the only reason a wolf might have tried this kind of a trick would have been trying to sway us into thinking she must be innocent beyond any reasonable doubt (and yes she was getting the heat there earlier so maybe a panic-solution?). Anyway, with only her word on her role I think we have not that condition with us.

Brinniel · 12-06-2009, 02:23 PM

I need to get ready to go out, so I might as well do this before I forget:

++Pitchwife

satansaloser2005 · 12-06-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Add-on to the former speculation.

If Pitch turns out wolf as it looks like, we can't afford leaving Lottie to be among the last players anyway. I mean we have no hurry to lynch her like toMorrow but the only reason a wolf might have tried this kind of a trick would have been trying to sway us into thinking she must be innocent beyond any reasonable doubt (and yes she was getting the heat there earlier so maybe a panic-solution?). Anyway, with only her word on her role I think we have not that condition with us.

Well hopefully the wolves would take care of her, though at the same time I can't see why they would bother right away, as she's not a continuous threat and even if she was proven correct she wouldnt' be completely trusted. They could just leave her be.

Heh. I totally had this thought last night. Lottie!wolf realizes she's in deep crap, comes out as this one-hit wonder seer, busses Pitch, and after that she's safe. The wolves obviously aren't going to touch her, and since she only gets one dream all game she can claim that as the reason; why would the wolves bother killing a useless seer when there's a perfectly good ranger to get rid of? So she could theoretically just float through the game as a known innocent until the last Day where she turns out to be a wolf and she dies. I would think of it in her position so I don't see why Lottie wouldn't try it.

Again, hoping I'm wrong, but putting it out there anyway. It'd be a good scheme.

EDIT: x'd with Brinn

Pitchwife · 12-06-2009, 02:32 PM

Like a wolf out of hell I'll be lynched when the Evening comes
When the Day is over like a wolf out of hell I'll be gone gone gone
Like a wolf out of hell I'll be lynched when the Evening comes
But when the Night has come
And the stars are out
And the moon is shining through
Then like a spectre born of guilty conscience
My ghost will come haunting you

Nogrod · 12-06-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Then like a spectre born of guilty conscience
My ghost will come haunting you

Whose guilty conscience might you be referring to Mr. Poet-Agreeable?

But if you're an innocent, we'll lynch Lottie toMorrow to be sure. If she then turns out to be just a cobbler, then bad for us (but wonderful play by Lottie!).

On the question of who else to lynch if there wasn't this Lottie - Pitchie situation going on...

I don't know. Something bugs me with Mac. Just looking at his latest... so when I reminded him of our logistical problems yesterDay when he had suspected the timing of my vote he says:

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Originally Posted by Mac

Alright, I didn't think of that. Vote placement is out of the window. You still voted for an innocent and not for who I think is a wolf. You're not of the hook, my friend.

Now what kind of suspicion is this?

If we should suspect anyone who has voted for an innocent I'm afraid we should suspect everyone... well, that's actually what we have to do, but using that as an argument on anyone's particular suspiciousness is pretty poor. Not to talk of the latter part: if you don't vote for the one(s) I think is a wolf then you must be a wolf?

Maybe Mac is just short of time, under RL pressure or something... In #663 I gave some reasons to suspect him and will not repeat them here.

But to be honest: with this many people left I would not have voted or called for voting Mac toDay. Without this Pitch-issue I might have suggested we checked out Bes or Morsul now when we can afford it. Or well, Lottie - if she hadn't "revealed" that is (eg. if there would not be this whole case we have).

But I don't know. It's hard to say what one would have done without things unravelling this way. I might have taken a closer look to Brinn, or Boro, or... and who knows what I would have thought then?

Macalaure · 12-06-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

In #663 I gave some reasons to suspect him and will not repeat them here.

I missed to comment on them, but there really wasn't much to say. You listed things I did and I can do nothing but to admit that I did them. You didn't say anything that I had to defend myself against.

Nogrod · 12-06-2009, 02:59 PM

I'm quite confused with Shasta, Wilwa and Sally whom everyone seems to suspect. I can see some of it and not see the other parts. If I'm alive toMorrow I will try to delve into those three as well.

Brinniel · 12-06-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lommy

And I can totally see a wolf Brinn protecting an innocent Nienna.

Yeah, I pretty much expected you would say that considering you even hinted at it yesterDay. At the time, a lot of people though my defense was a wolf-on-wolf one, but then you put that out there. Makes me wonder if that's because you already knew Nienna would be revealed innocent upon death and you're trying to keep suspicion cast on me. I won't deny that defending Nienna is something I'd do as a wolf as I have done it before, but that is not the case this time. I'm just an innocent who made a valid point yesterDay. I was getting quite frustrated that everyone was knocking me down for defending her, so I'm quite relieved I was actually right as it makes sticking my neck out for her worthwhile.

I actually seem to find Lommy rather innocent in most games, but this time that is not so which makes me wonder if there's a good reason for that. It wouldn't be the first time I've detected a Lommywolf.

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Originally Posted by Shasta

Let's look at things this way, since apparently what makes me evil is my vote for Nienna. I'll ask the same thing I did about my Nerwen vote, when people jumped on that - since when is it wolfish to vote someone you suspect? Nienna's voting record was even worse than mine at that point, having voted to save Mnemo twice. I'm sorry she was innocent, but I'm not sorry I voted her.

Actually, it's not the vote for Nienna itself that I find suspicious, but the things you said at the end of the Day which led up to it.

12-06-2009, 01:31 PM	#1
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	snickers Maybe we should keep around. Nah. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

12-06-2009, 01:37 PM	#3
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Note: I'm going to be on the road for an hour. I should be back about half an hour before deadline. In case I'm not - ++Pitch __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

12-06-2009, 01:53 PM	#4
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	That ran a bit later than I thought. I'm going to vote now: ++Pitch in case I can't get back here before the DL. __________________ Fenris Penguin

12-06-2009, 01:54 PM	#5
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Where's everybody? It's not much more than hour until the DL and while this might not be the most exciting Day ever, this is kind of lame... Hmm. What if everybody states who would they vote if Pitch wasn't an option? I think that would be a good idea, because it would a) force people to actually think a bit more and b) force everybody to make a statement. And this would be like a real vote, so stuff like "I'd vote Roa or trom" should be forbidden. I, for one, I'm going to do that, but not yet because I'm still quite torn between Wilwa, Shasta and Brinn. edit: xed with Boro __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

12-06-2009, 02:02 PM	#7
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	What I don't get is why the wolves thought this whole Seer-reveal thing necessary, or even a good idea; it seems pretty risqué, and it'll put Lottie in a tight spot toMorrow. You might think Greenie's death would be quite enough to frame me, if they were planning to do that, as she'd been suspecting me for quite a while. And why me? It's not like I was a big threat to them, or am I overlooking something? Very puzzling... __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

12-06-2009, 02:21 PM	#10
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Add-on to the former speculation. If Pitch turns out wolf as it looks like, we can't afford leaving Lottie to be among the last players anyway. I mean we have no hurry to lynch her like toMorrow but the only reason a wolf might have tried this kind of a trick would have been trying to sway us into thinking she must be innocent beyond any reasonable doubt (and yes she was getting the heat there earlier so maybe a panic-solution?). Anyway, with only her word on her role I think we have not that condition with us. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

12-06-2009, 02:23 PM	#11
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	I need to get ready to go out, so I might as well do this before I forget: ++Pitchwife __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

12-06-2009, 02:32 PM	#13
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Like a wolf out of hell I'll be lynched when the Evening comes When the Day is over like a wolf out of hell I'll be gone gone gone Like a wolf out of hell I'll be lynched when the Evening comes But when the Night has come And the stars are out And the moon is shining through Then like a spectre born of guilty conscience My ghost will come haunting you __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

12-06-2009, 02:59 PM	#16
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I'm quite confused with Shasta, Wilwa and Sally whom everyone seems to suspect. I can see some of it and not see the other parts. If I'm alive toMorrow I will try to delve into those three as well. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...