WWLXX: At the Prison of Ice

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Nerwen
Boro still waiting to see why I look bad

Hold your horses, I'm busy just like you. If you want a quick summary.

Basically, I don't like how the focus has been narrowed down to 2 people today. That is handing the wolves a situation they can control. I wanted to start putting pressure on the people I haven't been spending a great deal of time on, plus those who have been easing by, not getting involved in all these battles that keep happening every day. So, those who have been playing a clean, safe game so far. I include you in here (along with Bes and Brinn...and to a lesser extent sally).

As far as specific things against you. Your votes so far are questionable. Your Day 1 looked reasonable enough, but Mnemo said in #108 that a vote for you would be "too easy" especially considering your vote for Mac. And in #120 Pitch said that your vote looked based on a hunch and that it was understandable. That's 2 wolves defending a vote that I don't see was all that bad. The early first votes are usually the safest (but of course do to any time constraints it is understandable), but no one really finds early Day 1 votes suspicious. So, I wonder what 2-wolves are doing defending you for it?

Plus your vote for yourself. You didn't want to be mod-fired, that's good and it doesn't point to either innocence or wolvery. But the fact that it was for yourself, it looks not only safe, but a move to make people think you're innocent since you did vote for yourself. Now, I'm not familiar with you as a wolf yet, but from the reputation it sounds like you are a tough one to follow. And that vote explains it...you vote because you do not want to be mod-fired, thus you did not want "die." Yet you vote for yourself which suggests you do? The vote itself is safe, and typically when innocents vote for themself it's out of frustration...but your self-vote wasn't out of frustration which makes it look like you were doing it to look innocent, and that gets me suspicioius.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Lottie called her role as the "Birthday dreamer"

Now please veterans help me out (Lommy & Boro I think have played long enough) or those who have read the really old games...

But wasn't a "birthday dreamer" a person who got to dream of someone on a certain pre-given Night (like Night 3 or 4) - and then got the role of the one s/he dreamt?!!!

That is the birthday -part of it: as a present that person may take the new role (I don't remember whether it was compulsory to take that role or whether there was a choice involved).

Wow, Nog, you have just convinced me to reconsider everything I've concluded about Lottie. On top of that, I really would not want to see either you or Lommy lynched today (possibly for good too).

I'm not familiar with the "birthday-dreamer" but what you are describing sounds like the Mythomaniac, who chose a person and then could assume their role.

And I don't suspect you for pointing this out, it's something I didn't think about. My reasons for adamantly defending Lottie were, because every part of her reveal matched up. Also, yesterday, if she did only get one dream then the wolves may deem other people larger threats, and risk keeping a known innocent around. That is why I was trying to push that we accept her story, however I also wanted to challenge her to be a real pain-in-the-@** to the wolves, and either try to make them kill her or regret they didn't. Her behavior today and yesterday is a lot different than the days she revealed and then gave us Pitch.

Now they did sacrifice a wolf, but think of the benefit for pulling off a stunt like that if you and wilwa are correct about the secret-role. What do we then make of Bes? Because now the whole Lottie saying "I only dreamed of Pitch, because he said I should dream of Bes" looks too fabricated and clean.